The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

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I have been a member of the democratic party for 44 years and I have never seen anything like this primary season. Not even 1968 can top this! So much division and outright animosity toward each other as democrats is ridiculous. We need to stop acting like children and help one of our candidates get elected to the presidency. I think Obama has made it very difficult for himself and all who have put their faith in him by trying to hide his "uncle" in the attic. He should have taken an opportunity to help those of us who know little about the tenor of his church to understand it and maybe this wouldn't be such a HUGE deal for him now. No one should ask Hillary to step aside. That is ridiculous. I believe she will be our nominee because I no longer trust Obama and would not vote for him in the general election. I cannot imagine that I am the only democrat who feels this way. Obama is just a politician who tried to hide something he didn't want us to know until it was too late to examine what it means.

DON'T BE DUPED!!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. "Carpe diem" (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see's a beautiful world of plenty, and comfort for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it's time America. Do this for your-self, and your children's future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-self.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton's offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama's place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history. But the time to act is soon.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

"This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

Maplestik
Scotched Earth? How about a pint of Guiness instead for St. Pat?

kreuz_missile Good post.
I just got home from worship at my UCC church here in AZ. It astounds me that people are calling TUCC a "racist" church. The United Church of Christ is one of the most open and welcoming denominations in the country.
If people are going to judge Obama on 3 minutes of statements picked out of Rev. Wright's speeches and sermons - out of 20 years worth - I would guess they weren't going to vote for Obama anyway. It only proves the point that people are prejudging with very little information.

Rev. Wright said this country is run by rich white men. Rev. Wright said this country has racism in its foundation. (Native American, Black, Chinese, Japanese, and Hispanic Americans might agree.)

Has our country always taken the high road in foreign affairs? Case in point: Iraq didn't attack us on 9/11, so why did our government invade and continue to occupy that sovereign nation?
Another case in point: Just the other day, George W. Bush just made a statement to the military leaders in Afghanistan that he ENVIES and thinks what they're doing is kind of ROMANTIC. Good God save us! Does McCain think this way?

Love-it-or-leave-it, you say? No. Love it and fix it. Love this country and get us back on the high road.

kreuz_missile

WE BOTH HAVE OUR OPINION.
ONLY TIME WILL TELL.

I SINCERELY HOPE FOR THE SAKE OF OUR COUNTRY THAT I AM WRONG AND THAT YOUR FAITH IN THIS MAN IS WELL FOUNDED.

chersplace,

He's been covered by the major Chicago media outlets for 12 years, which includes some of the biggest name conservative names out there. He sat down for a 90min interview where he vowed tho thoroughly answer all questions, nothing off the table. He has thousands of Hillary bloggers and the highest paid candidate's staff in history hunting down everything he's ever written, every piece of video out there about him, nothing has avoided scrutiny. The idea he hasn't been "vetted" is garbage, and his campaign will spend the next month bringing that home. Here's who he is, what he has done, everything you want to know. Will Hillary allow herself the same level of scrutiny? Doubtful. You've had over a year campaigning, and all you have on him is one statement his wife made, some of his minister's remarks outside his presence, and a connection to one crooked donor that has still, despite all the scrutiny, turned up zero wrongdoing.

A little more for you on his "racist" church:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioaChVw_pUw&feature=related

Think people! Do you follow blindly what your minister says? Who in there right mind just believes and trust what others say and do. Do you just parrot ideas or are you your own person? Only weak minded people follow blindly or don't ask questions about why is this coming out again? Obama is very level headed and is a leader not a follower. So why on earth, would we think he would just agree or follow blindly?

Think of this from another angle. Is a minister responsible for person who commits murder? Ted Bundy's brother was the one who turned him in to the authorities.

This Wright issue came out in Iowa and Obama answered it then. Now because of the kitchen sink, it's being thrown, it's brought out again. Nobody in their right minds think Obama really believes in his heart of heart or his soul of souls the hate speech that Rev. Wright put out. Anyone who listens to Obama, knows he's all about respect for others, love for others, keeping America strong and safe. It's sad to see people think it's okay to ruin someone's reputation. It's not, it's sad and it's wrong to do it to such a good man. People need to step back and think for a moment. Put yourself in Obama's shoes, who you just believe each and everything that your pastor says or do you take what they say and chose to use it or discard it.

Scotched Earth!

People should understand there's a difference between a Man called from God to deliver his word and a pompous motivational speaker. Most so-called preachers are just pulpit-hoggers using the people's need for divine inspiration to serve their own ego. Mr. Obama could have wanted the spirital aspect of the Church, itself, not the rantings of the preacher. My mom "made" me attend Church every Sunday to listen to a preacher who had a great spirital message, but he was a womanizer. He talked about things that just shouldn't be talked about in the pew. I weeded all of that stuff out and just took away from his sermon the word of God. The fair test for anyone who wants to Guilt Obama by Association with the preacher is to look at Obama the man, the individual person and say "Have I heard Obama parrot anything close to what that preacher has said?" The answer is N-O. NO! No way is Obama like that preacher. Obama is not loud and screaming hate. Obama is peaceful and has a whole different demeanor. I have studied Obama. I have watched and waited for any slip-up. I refuse to allow "ANY" candidate to BS me. This man is human. He falls down. He makes mistakes just like the rest of us. I want a real person for president; not a perfect little porcelain doll or a president sooo detached from his country that he doesn't know that gas is $4 (or higher) a gallon. If Obama is going to get the GBA arrow shot at him, then Clinton is the biggest racist for her friendship with Ferraro and she has to be a rapist for being married to Billy. Obama has said that he DOES NOT argree with the "foolish" things that the preacher said. Some of the preacher's rants are understandable; from the point of an angry man, but the pulpit is not the place to spout his hurt. Obama has denounced this man's rants and that is good enough. Unless someone shows that Obama wrote those sermons or shows where he has parroted the preachers personal beliefs (not the word of God), he should not have to defend -one more day- his association with that Church. I personally saw some people looking very embarrassed in that Church. The people clapping probably didn't even know what the preacher said! Most people are so into the spirit of the sermon that they aren't aware when the preacher has gone off course into a rant. What would you do? Sit there and just hope that he gets back to The Word? or storm off? I've sat through many sermons scratching my head as to why the preacher was saying what he was saying, but I never left. Obama has said he wasn't even there when the preacher had those rants. Who's to say what Obama should have done? Why is Obama taking an a@@ kicking for someone else? Wright isn't running for president; just like Billy isn't running. Fair is Fair. There are some foolish men who can say good inspirtional things and there are some good men who can say some foolish things! Fair and balance is the only way to deal with any situation. The Obama drama is just corny media stuff! "REAL" people have enough sense not to ruin a man for the words of an other. Clinton can't become the beneficiary of this through votes. Disagreement does not transform into votes. Hilly has gotten too many votes she hasn't deserved from knee-jerk reactions.

The goal is to get the Democratic Party united and healthy. There will not be a Clinton on the ticket. That era is over! Hail to November 4, 2008!

Meanwhile Cheney, heartened by the Lieberman-Kyl resolution (bearing Hillary's endorsement), seeks support by Middle East rulers for an attack on Iran.

Dimocrats! LOL!

It's March, do you know who your Candidate will be?

Maybe; Billary, or, Obasama, or Big Gay Al Gore, or back to Biden, maybe Pretty Boy, or we could try Richardson again, or maybe just do all the Elections over and see who has the most support now, or....

It,s October, do you.... ;~)

kreuz_missile

THEY WILL MAKE SURE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE START TO GET THE FACTS ABOUT THIS MAN.

THEY WILL OPEN EVERY CLOSET AND PULL OUT WHATEVER HE HAD HIDDEN IN IT. THE MEDIA WILL JUMP ON BOARD AND FINALLY LET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE THIS IMFORMATION.

THEY WILL SHOW PROOF POSITIVE OF HIM BEING IN THIS RACIAL ANTI-AMERICAN CHURCH AND SHOUTING AMEN AT THIS MANS UN-CHRISTIAN SERMONS.

I DON'T HAVE TO GO ON.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO LEARN ENOUGH ABOUT THIS MAN, BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THE PRIMARIES WILL BE PAYING VERY CLOSE ATTENTION AS WE MOVE TOWARD THE GENERAL ELECTION.
THE MORE PEOPLE LEARN ABOUT THE REAL BARRACK OBAMA THE MORE HOLLOW HIS WORDS OF HOPE, CHANGE AND UNITY WILL SOUND.

I AM VERY SAD THAT BECAUSE OF HIM AND THE MEDIA'S NOT COVERING HIM EARLIER AS THEY SHOULD HAVE, WE WILL ONCE AGAIN PROBABLY HAVE A REPUBLICAN IN OFFICE, UNLESS HILLARY CLINTON IS THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE.

"YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN. IF OBAMA WINS THE NOMINATION THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WILL REALLY SHOW PEOPLE WHO HE REALLY IS AND BY NOVEMBER EVEN MANY OF HIS CURRENT SUPPORTERS WILL PREFER ANYONE OVER HIM"

What, exactly, are they going to do that Hillary hasn't already? He's an anti-American Muslim with a racist pastor in his Christian church of 20 years tied to shady landowners in the Chicago political system with no experience other than some speech he gave in 2002, who is basically just an Affirmative Action hire. Where else are the Republicans going to go?

I don't worry so much about swaying them, so much as others who might read this board. Impartial observers will view them as fools, they'll view us as having facts and reason on our side. Half of winning is showing up, I'm not willing to yield the field to these guys.

rat-the:

Sorry to offend your well-known delicate sensibilities. Don't enjoy yourself too much.

gmundenat

YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN. IF OBAMA WINS THE NOMINATION THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WILL REALLY SHOW PEOPLE WHO HE REALLY IS AND BY NOVEMBER EVEN MANY OF HIS CURRENT SUPPORTERS WILL PREFER ANYONE OVER HIM

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM

svreader, or Gore!

Why don't we Democrats just solve this whole problem by choosing another candidate?

Why not Edwards or Biden?

mnteng-Awwww, what a mean thing to imply! :-(

That I get some malicious JOY out of watching the frenzied Legal Sharks running against each other in the Dim Primaries tear each other to pieces.

I'm HURT!

He HEEEE! MORE Chum! MORE!!!! ;~)

ac11-First, it has NOT been confirmed as a US Strike, or whether authorization for it might have been granted.

Second, the "Foolish" nature of a Junior Senator's comments were that as a Junior Senator, talking about our Country's active military strategies in diplomatically tangled scenarios was not only un-wise, stupid and un-wanted, it was something that a bill was passed preventing Civilian Representatives from doing to Commissioned Officers such as the Commander in Chief-Who's job Barack Insane was interfering with!

I believe it is the Logan Act, he violated!

Executive material my "Obama"! ;~)

kreuz missile

What a laugh. Are you going to ask Dick Cheny for the details behind about the no-bid Haliburton war? The Clintons will never talk about how they got their money.

For Obama, it is easy. That is because he is human, a mensch. The Clintons are supported by fat cats and fat cats did not get that way by accident. They are greedy.
Look at Bill's friend, the newly wrought uranium peddler from Canada. Contributed heavily to the campaign!

But it is over anyway. Most Americans loathe the Clintons. They may be afraid of Obama, but the are well and truly sick of the Clintons. There will be a lot more drama of course, but Obama is going to preside over a very sick economy. Hope he is ready for it.

kreuz_missile:

Dude, give it up. You're trying to have a reasonable discussion with two of the most virulent posters on these boards (svreader, rat-the). It's a waste of time. It's a shame because svreader used to be more positive (see his post @ 12:51 pm).

But if you want a barometer of how nasty the discussion between Clinton and Obama supporters is getting, monitor the number of posts by rat-the. The less he posts, the more I think he's enjoying watching the carnage -- and the funnier he gets.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0316edit1mar16,0,2616801.story

"We fully expect the Clinton campaign, given its current desperation, to do whatever it must in order to keep the Rezko tin can tied to Obama's bumper.

When we endorsed Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination Jan. 27, we said we had formed our opinions of him during 12 years of scrutiny. We concluded that the professional judgment and personal decency with which he has managed himself and his ambition distinguish him.

Nothing Obama said in our editorial board room Friday diminishes that verdict.

We said in that same editorial that Obama had been too self-exculpatory in explaining away his ties to Tony Rezko. And we've been saying since Nov. 3, 2006 -- shortly after the Tribune broke the story of Obama's house purchase -- that Obama needed to fully explain his Rezko connection. He also needed to realize how susceptible he had been to someone who wanted a piece of him -- and how his skill at recognizing that covetousness needed to rise to the same stature as his popular appeal.

Friday's session evidently fulfills both obligations. Might we all be surprised by some future disclosure? Obama's critics have waited 16 months for some new and cataclysmic Rezko moment to implicate and doom Obama. It hasn't happened.

Obama said Friday that voters who don't know what to make of his Rezko connection should, in the wake of his discussion with the Tribune, "see somebody who is not engaged in any wrongdoing ... and who they can trust." Yes, he said, he comes from Chicago. But he has risen in this corrupt Illinois environment without getting entangled in it.

Obama tries to live by "high ethical standards," he said. Although "that doesn't excuse the mistake I made here."

Obama should have had Friday's discussion 16 months ago. Asked why he didn't, he spoke of learning, uncomfortably, what it's like to live in a fishbowl. That made him perhaps too eager to protect personal information -- too eager to 'control the narrative.'

Less protection, less control, would have meant less hassle for his campaign. That said, Barack Obama now has spoken about his ties to Tony Rezko in uncommon detail. That's a standard for candor by which other presidential candidates facing serious inquiries now can be judged."

Now to Hillary: what are you hiding?

It also looks like Obama also won Texas. So much for Hillary's "only I can win the Big States, therefore I should be the nominee, regardless of the delegate count" argument goes right out the window and into the trash, where it belongs.

We cannot trust Obama any more. His campaign is a farce and he is a hypocrit. Words? Just words you mean just lies. Get behind and support Hillary Clinton.

"Isn't this what Barak said he would do as President and Hillary called him on it as being foolish?"

Hillary, McCain, and Bush....

March 16, 2008 the Globe and Mail is reporting that U.S. missiles kill nine in Pakistan

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080316.wpakistanmissile0316/BNStory/International/home

I noticed this story is buried at the bottom of the Washington Post page. Isn't this what Barak said he would do as President and Hillary called him on it as being foolish?

Hmmm, considering everything he said turned out to be 100% correct, and everything you say here still tends to be 100% wrong (and not just on opinions, but basic indisputable facts)....

But keep going, you sell your side's position sooo welll

March 16, 2008 the Globe and Mail is reporting that U.S. missiles kill nine in Pakistan

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080316.wpakistanmissile0316/BNStory/International/home

Isn't this what Barak said he would do as President and Hillary called him on it as being foolish?

Whoa! I have never posted before and just finished reading the comments and I just have to say...

rat-the has a lot of hatred in him. Not a tolerant or non-insulting thing to say. I can't imaging feeling that kind of constant ill-feeling toward others of a differing view than my own. I feel sorry for you, rat-the. Relax! You'll stress yourself to an early death.

Squawk, Squuuuawwk! Attack our Allies! Attack our Allies!

Squuuawk, Hussein's Beautiful! Beautiful Hussein! Hussein-Hussein! Squaaawwwk, Beautiful!

Squawk, Squawk, Dumb War, Dumb War! Hussein's Iraq-Beautiful!

Squawk Bush bad! Bad Bush! Squawwwwk, Chicken, Chicken Sh-quuuawwwk! ;~)

Sorry, 2 October 2002

"Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don't oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I don't oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.

I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn't simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not - we will not - travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain."

Barack Obama, 22 October 2002

Yup, just ignore the facts...tell yourself whatever you need to believe, nevermind that Saddam Hussein wasn't actively committing genocide, hadn't for years, had no major weapons program, wasn't a threat to the US or his neighbors, just another garden variety pest who coubd be an annoyance when he wanted to. Sure was worth us committing our military to that country for 100 years while making it a recruiting poster for the people who actually did attack us. You were awake and bought into Bush's lies, some of us didn't.

Enjoy it while you can, Obama-haters. Spew your venom. Come November, you will vote for Obama and you will like it. Come January, you will claim you supported him all along. Hillary reminds me of Mike Nifong, another evil putz.

kreuz_missile- Pander that misinformation to the other Parrots at (Please)Move On, and Daily Kaos.

I was awake during the whole thing, and I refuse to even debate things with people armed with BS. I do not want it landing on me! ;~)

Umm, couple things...the US is considered incompetent and isolated, our market is crashing (and it bottomed out last time at 8500, btw, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DJIA_during_911.svg ), and the Iraqi people hold little control over Iraq and some, believe it or not, do long for the good old days of Saddam. No one would have been happy to keep Saddam Hussein in power, but some recognized keeping him in power but strongly checked and while preventing atrocities was much more in our intersts than the alternative. If you want to take pride in Iraq and the emerging Shi'ite Imamate under Ayatollah Sadr and the inevitable bloody Civil War that will bring about, that's up to you.

Orlando_Abrhams-You need to reconsider your priorities.
Barack Hussein, would have been very happy to have Saddam Hussein still repressing the People of Iraq, still violating UN Resolutions, still paying Blood Money to Murderous sick in the Head Families in Palestine, Still supplying the Suicide Vests, He would EXTREMELY HAPPY about Saddam FLOODING $$$$$ into the World Labor Party Coffers for More Anti-American protests(Which magically dried up and stopped after his fall), and he would still be happy with the US being perceived as incompetent, and isolated with a CRASHING Stock Market(Was down in the 6,000's).

Barack Insane Obasama is NOT someone this Country should allow to even be a Senator! :-(

I am very Proud to say, we, Americans, gave Iraq back to the Iraqi People, Shia Majority or not, and I am proud of the fact we have prevented wholesale slaughter of MILLIONS of innocent Iraqi's as Power junkies waged an unnecessary Civil War for the Country's resources, disguised as a Religious thing! :-)

Barack, and his Chicken Sh!t supporters, do not deserve any of the Pride for it the rest of us can have! ;~)

I love America! Hillary 2008!

"Don't try to conflate Hillary with Bush"

I didn't she's done it to herself, both with her votes in the Senate and her Rovian campaign.

"Read the NYT article about Obama's dismal record in the Senate. Watch the 60 Minutes reports on both candidates."

Wait, I thought the media was shilling for Obama?

I read the article, I saw the report, I firmly back Obama. Hillary would have had my vote six months ago, but she'll never get it now (I'll write in Obama if Hillary's folks steal the nomination now). She can't even run a campaign, how canshe run this country. She has been running for the office for ten years now, and every decision she's made, including the Iraq war vote, was made with this election calculus in mind. She feels entitled to it, she rols out sexism and race baiting to get her way, then blames her opponent for the tactics. Sorry, not buyin' it. She began this campaign with 50% of the country hating her, she will in the end have spent $150 million to ensure that 70% hate her. She damages the party, divides the base, all in the name of her winning the nomination at all costs. You claim she has the good of the people at heart and is not self centered, where is one shred of evidence that this is the case?

svreader, should you by any chance be a real Democrat and not one of the Coulter Club Republicans, afraid of Senator Obama's chances to take the Presidency away from the Republicans, then please think about what you are doing here. This is damaging your Party and bad!
see here:
http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/peak-bile/

kruez --

Don't try to conflate Hillary with Bush.

Read the NYT article about Obama's dismal record in the Senate.

Watch the 60 Minutes reports on both candidates.

You give Obama far, far, too much credit for the work done by others that he had almost nothing to do with, except getting his name attached to their work.

You want to see Obama elected so badly its competely clouded your ability to look at him critically.

Look at what Obama did in Chicago.

That's the real Obama.

He doesn't care about doing the job, ort about the people who elected him.

Like you, he just wants to win.

My earlier post, still recieving chirping cricketts from the Hillary gallery who constantly claim Obama's running the Affirmative Action race:

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One example for you (I think "solely" is my favorite word here):

"What would be different about having a female president?

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: Oh, I don't even think we can adequately imagine the difference it would make. It would be the shattering of the highest and hardest glass ceiling. And it would send such a message of hope and opportunity to every little girl, to every young woman.

That's probably the most common thing that people say to me out on the campaign trail. There's two things, actually. One is that, you know, people say, "Well, I'm here because of my daughter," or, you know, "My little girl just learned that we've never had a woman president and, you know, I want her to know she can do anything."

I mean, it would be a very deep change in how people see themselves and who is able to fulfill this position. And I think that it's, you know, I think that...

JUDY WOODRUFF: Do you want people to vote for you for that reason?

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: No, I've said consistently through this campaign that, you know, I'm asking people not to vote for me solely because I'm a woman. But I am a woman.

And I think there's been, you know, an interesting development in the campaign where somehow, you know, we're expected not to talk about that whereas it is a big difference? I mean, we've never had a mother or a wife or a sister or a daughter in the Oval Office? I think it would be a very big change.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And more of a sea change than to have the first African-American president?

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: Well, I was just speaking for myself. I think, from my perspective, more than half of our population is female. And so it would have a direct effect on more than half of our population."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/jan-june08/clinton_02-27.html

According to C-SPAN caller this morning. Rev. Wright's sermon clips were destributed by the McCain campaign to Fox, Rush Bimbo and other media outlets. Another attempts by the right wingers to swift boat Obama at this early stage. DEMS stay focus we do not want another 4 or 8 years of GOP in the WH. Clinton or Obama both are better choice.

"He sold people on feeling good about themselves by electing a Black President, rather than focusing the contest on who would be the most qualified."

I ask you now, when has HE ever done this? Hillary tries to sell herself as the WOMAN candidate, and shamelessly shills for sexist affirmative action votes, while Barack constantly downplays his race. Why the double standard? Why is the blatant sexism of Hillary's campaign kosher while Barack is constantly labeled a racist when he is trying his hardest to run away from that label?

Yeah, he doesn't have accomplishments like giving Bush credibility on the War in Iraq or in labeling the IRGC a terrorist organization, legitimizing a future war. No, he just worked across the aisle to bring about major ethics reform, worked to bring more accountability and end secrecy through the"Google for Government" program, passed the Obama-Hagel bill to limit WMD proliferation, etc., so yeah, a colossal failure.

kreuz --

Obama used charm, telling each group what they wanted to hear, saying one thing to one group and the opposite to another, and "race guilt" to win.

He sold people on feeling good about themselves by electing a Black President, rather than focusing the contest on who would be the most qualified.

He's doing it again.

"THAT SIMPLE. HE DOES NOTHING. HE THINKS EVERYTHING COMES EASY."

An Arican-American named Barack Hussein Obama raised by a single white mother at times overseas who went on to be Editor of Harvard Law Review, yeah, everything I'm sure came easy for this guy. He's lucky he's black...

kreuz --

Hillary is figthing both the worlds slickest politican and the press which is shilling for him.

Obama has been a total failure in government.

Hillary went into the Senate fighting a ton of negative PR from the Republicans and the press and became one of our best Senators.

Hillary's going to be a great President.

Obama would be a complete disaster.

Have no FEAR McBush will not win...
unless the Rethuglian's defraud the American again!

Be vigilant!

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Bill McInturff (R). March 7-10, 2008. N=1,012 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.1.
RV = registered voters. LV = likely voters. Except where noted, results below are among all adults.

All in all, do you think things in the nation are generally headed in the right direction, or do you feel that things are off on the wrong track?"

3/7-10/08RV
Right Wrong Mixed Unsure
% % % %
20 66 11 3

http://www.pollingreport.com/right.htm

"Obama's a classical "sales type".

Hillary Clinton spends all her time thinking about issues and policy. Clinton is a classical "nerd" "scientist" or "engineer" type. Its the nerds, scientists, and engineers, that get things done in the world."

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Actually, svreader, in the world of politics, it's the sales type who gets things done and the nerd/scientist/engineer types who fail miserably. Herbert Hoover, James Buchanon, and Woodrow Wilson were probably our smartest, nerd" type presidents, but they all failed because of their arrogance and their innability to inspire or lead. As much as I liked Wilson's philosophy (other than the racist and sexist crap, though he was ok by the standards of his day), he couldn't sell it because he believed himself to be smarter than all others, looked down on Congress with contempt demanding they just go with his ideas without modification, and in the end both lost everything including the Presidency. Hoover was an academic intelllectual, and Buchanon was our most experienced President on paper, and the country fell apart under both of their watches because tehy were absolutely horrible leaders fundamentally out of touch with their people. Having the right idea sn't enough. Hillary's problems aren't that her ideas are bad, her problems is she can't sell them.

mnjam -

YOU'RE wrong. The Congress and Senate CAN control a President on ALL of these issues you list. What the heck do you think we're doing RIGHT NOW???

Get a grip.

And those White Haired Trolls are just trying to secure the black vote for eternity by puppeting forth Obama. When he gets the nomination it's hello President McCain.

Obama is NOT Electable, NOT Believeable, NOT who he pretends to be. His agenda is unimaginable by you. He would be a do nothing president anyway - like he was in Illiniois and is in the Senate today.

He used his seat on the Oversight Committee as a GREAT BIG BRAGGING POINT. When he has don NOTHING for OVER A YEAR. Too busy with "his own life". Meanwhile, OUR TROOPS in Afghanistan and the poor, freezing people there ARE STILL WAITING FOR CHANGE.

MR. DO NOTHING OBAMA WON'T BRING CHANGE - HE WILL BRING PRESIDENT McCAIN.

THAT SIMPLE. HE DOES NOTHING. HE THINKS EVERYTHING COMES EASY.

His kitchen sink is full of DIRTY DISHES.

He hid is pastor away and didn't address the questions Americans and the press had for all this time - waiting for delegates to pile up before doing so. He's a freaking sneak.

I'm voting for McCain - I'll even carry signs for him if Obama gets this nomination.

God Bless America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o&NR=1

Hillary is the ultimate policy expert.

Like Gore, she's not a natural politician.

Obama can campaign.

Hillary can govern.

"Obama's a consumate politician. That's all he thinks about. Every moment, every brain cell, is focused on his image and how to "get over" on people."

Riiight, Hillary Clinton is not a consumate politician...

svreader, do YOU even beleive the total nonsense you post here?

What about the people who froze to death in "Obama's Slums"

What about Obama's dismal record in the Senate, as reported by the NYT?

What about the fact that Obama knows nothing about how to do the job of being President?

If we elect Hillary, we get both Hillary and Bill.

Hillary is the ultimate expert on the issues we face as a nation.

That's what she spend all her time and brain cells on.

Bill was the best President in recent US history.

He turned a Republican deficit into a Democratic surplus.

He did a fantastic job in international relations.

Hillary was Bill's closest advisor.

She'd be a great President.

That's why we should choose her.

We need her experience, insight, and brains.

If we elect her, we get all of that, and all of Bill's experience and expertise as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18SdPC6Cuv8&watch_response

Obama picked up the delegates and lost a preacher and a gangster. Has Hussen picked up any other support?

Posted by: retired34yearfed | March 15, 2008 11:14 PM

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Too funny! Hopefully the press reminds us about his close ties with the Preacher and the gangster. Judging by the Post today, the media will try to downplay this as much as possible. I don't think the public will let them.

It is not too late for the Democratic Party to win the White House. There was a time when it was an automatic win reguardless of which candidate was on the ticket. However,that has all changed and now McCain is closing the gap. If the DNC allowas this to continue the hopes of winning the Presidency will be taken away thanks to the Clinton Campaign.

Hillary has chosen to make this all about race and is dividing the Party. It is not about the Party but her. She has taken the position if she can't be the next President then neither will Obama. Even with the negatives she has thrown at him he is still the stronger candidaate.

Enough is enough, the senior leadership of the Party needs to step in and put a stop to this before she hands the White House over to McCain.

Since the rules were violated by Michigan and Florida they should not be allowed to determine the outcome of this primary. Split the delegates 50/50 and move on before it is too late.

Obama supporters are in love with a man that doesn't exist.

The real Obama, like the real George Bush, is self-centered, arrogant, blind and deaf to reality, and to the needs of the people who elected him, and completely and totally incompetent.

He's a Black Bush.

Obama is going to beat John McLobbyist and his band of band of crooks so bad this fall he is going to be accused of elder abuse.

What was so false that Obama's ex-preacher said? The preacher told the truth. It is extra hard to walk in the shoes of a black man or woman in this country. And the preacher said it makes some African Americans want to damn America for it. Do you think a child should thank a schoolyard bully for repeatedly beating him up? Beyond that, the preacher and Ferraro represent an elderly generation that is fading into the past. Obama represents a generational change in leadership in our country. His followers want to put the fear and raw divisiveness of the NeoCons into the dustbin of history, where it belongs. Petty innuendo and name-calling aimed at Obama only makes his voters more determined. Hillary is making a major blunder in believing otherwise.

Posted by: mongolovesheriff | March 16, 2008 12:01 PM

9/11 chickens coming home to roost. OMG

Are you too young to remember 9/11?

I talked to seem people on the outside a lot of people are turning away from the un-known.

Obama has ability but is not the man he pretends to be - with no exp what else does he have? Please don't drive us into a ditch.

CHILDREN STOP ARGUING AMONG YOURSELVES.

We're in the midst of a senseless and endless war. Our economy on the brink of collapse. We no longer have three co-equal branches of government. Our Constitution is in tatters. Our institutions are breaking down. We've lost the respect of the world and the respect of large percentage of our own population.

And yet too many of you can only throw mud at the Democratic candidates, making up or simply repeating the ugliest rumors and stories you can find. TO WHAT END?

WAKE UP!! We can't save this country, if you don't recognize the real enemy.

YOUR CHOICE-- is the Republican Party the enemy or are you?

Obama supporters like to claim that there's "no difference" between the policies of Clinton and Obama, that's clever politics, but a dangerous lie.

Obama's a consumate politician. That's all he thinks about. Every moment, every brain cell, is focused on his image and how to "get over" on people.

Obama's a classical "sales type".

Hillary Clinton spends all her time thinking about issues and policy.

Clinton is a classical "nerd" "scientist" or "engineer" type.

Its the nerds, scientists, and engineers, that get things done in the world.

They're the ones that figure out how things work, what's broken, and how to fix it.

That's what we need, to get out of the mess we're in.

I hope America wakes up before its too late.

I doubt it will.

To 'Rat The' and 'NqBxt5PQj66Yk8yw | March 15, 2008 10:33 PM' and anymore of the anti-Obama people who try to make Obama out to be anti-patriotic and of those other negative comments intended to turn people against him. I say to you it is time for change in America and not because Obama is a black man but a man that represents and will make changes. Although I will not say that anyone who voted for that Baghdad blunder of invasion and occupation of Iraq has blood on their hands. But the fact of the matter is - that if there are still some warped views amoung you that suggest that this war was/is the right thing to continue then I say you are truly brainwashed. I am an ex-veteran who used to strongly support McCain and still like him a little but what has turned me stronly against him is his never ending support of the blunder undertaken by the Bush administration. Mr. Bush bathes in the blood that has been spilled in Iraq by our men and women and the innocent Iraqies who only wanted to live in peace. Granted Sadamm was a mad man but he had that country in check and the surrounding countries in check. There simply wasn't any terrorism in Iraq before the pre Iraq blunder but you can bet that this will be fertile ground for those rats that hate us to continue to train and target for years to come. And to make matters worse by taking out Sadamm we have blown open the doors for Iran to be a significant menace (ant that is putting it very mildly) henceforth. But all of you who try to defeat and take Obama and his message of change down I say you too bathe in some of that blood. McCain will continue that blunder which will continue to drag us down at 12 billion a month of money that we will never recoup while our country and currency suffers and plummets against all others including Venezuela's which I am telling you that is pretty bad. McCain is simply Bush on steriods with a temper that borders on cantankerousness which is what happens to us all if we are fortunate to live that long. McCain is simply beyond his time. And for those of you that make the argument for Hillary please don't go or try to take us there. Not sure if I would even want her as a VP although she does have valuable experience but far too much baggage. You know when Reagon was running a seem to recall a devout racist from a university in the South who outwardly supported the Reagon. All I am saying is some of the things that Obama is being accused of have happened before in our horrible history of how we treat others who are different. The Republican party is quite strong and doesn't tolerate diversity very well. Simply put although both dems and repubs of which are primarily made up of caucasions have problems seeing a minority - especially a black man - running and possibly getting elected and that is sad especially in this election there is no other logical choice. God Bless America including some of you who are racist fools and othere that continue to harbor some of those il-feeling that have and will continue to be passed down to future generations.

It seems there is a lot of vitriol flowing back and forth between Clinton and Obama supporters. For myself I could support either one. Their policies are virtually identical.
I feel that Obama has the edge in effectiveness (witness his campaign)and would be a more inspirational leader, but Hillary is smart and tough. Let's remember that removing Bush and his fellow travelers from our government is the paramount goal and stop furnishing them with ammunition for the fall campaign.

It was not just Bush's political philosophy, but his arrogance, incompetence, and the placement of loyalty to party over loyalty to country that led to the disasters of the past 7 years, and the failure to remove Bush from office.

The same thing is about to happen again with Obama.

If Obama's the Democratic Candidate, McCain will be the next President, because between now and November, the American public will find out who Barry Obama really is, and they'll decide they'd rather have McCain than him.

The objections to Clinton are shallow and manufactured.

The objections people will have to Obama will strong, valid, and based on Obama's history of over-promising and under-delivering when it matters most.

Americans like to be told everything in sunny and bright and there's "no problem"

We need to face the problems we have as a country and a planet and understand them in enough detail to solve them.

Barry Obama doesn't have a clue in the world about any of this.

He spends every moment, and every brain cell, on his image.

Its working great for him.

It will be a disaster for America.

What was so false that Obama's ex-preacher said? The preacher told the truth. It is extra hard to walk in the shoes of a black man or woman in this country. And the preacher said it makes some African Americans want to damn America for it. Do you think a child should thank a schoolyard bully for repeatedly beating him up? Beyond that, the preacher and Ferraro represent an elderly generation that is fading into the past. Obama represents a generational change in leadership in our country. His followers want to put the fear and raw divisiveness of the NeoCons into the dustbin of history, where it belongs. Petty innuendo and name-calling aimed at Obama only makes his voters more determined. Hillary is making a major blunder in believing otherwise.

Go Obama!

If Obama becomes the Democratic Candidate, it will be a disaster for America, and the press will be largely to blame.

Investigative journalism is dead, and we need it now more than ever.

Barry Obama is a slick chicago politician who let the people who elected him rot in unheated slums.

Hs not only not a saint, he's incompetent.

The press wants him to be elected so badly they cheer, just as the did in the run-up to the Iraq war, rather than acting as a "second opinion" for the American public.

If Obama's the candidate, we lose either way.

Either we get Obama, who will be a disaster, or we get McCain, and no improvement in social issues.

I've tried my best to warn people and to get them to do their own research.

I hope its making a difference, but I doubt it.

Like the election of Bush, and the run-up to the Iraq war, nobody wants to think or to their homework.

The just want to be part of the parade.

I was a county convention delegate for Edwards yesterday in Iowa. I think it has to have been one of the most up in the air conventions our county has ever seen. We are not accustomed to having something be so undecided at this point. I had a decision to make as an Edwards delegate. Hold my ground and force policy issues at the state level and probably go as a delegate, or make my vote count now. It was a difficult choice for me, but I chose to go with the Obama camp now, and will not be a delegate to the state convention. The Hillary camp was really off-putting and whining yesterday, one can only imagine the threats of lawsuits they're going to throw around at district and state level. I sat next to a man who had been a Republican and and had run for state Senate as a Republican. I found it absolutely intriguing that we thought alike. Lets make our votes count now. And so we switched to the Obama group. Judging by all reports today, I am glad to have given up a chance to go to the state convention to give more delegates to Obama now. So all of you in Pennsylvania (LOL, my birthplace of Pittsburgh....your vote is really, really important here! I am thrilled that you left your place in voting alone and didn't rush to move up like other states with poor leadership did. Let your votes be heard, and be heard decisively so we can get on with the business of stopping Li'l Bush's third term through McCain, because that's all it will be...more incompetence, more war, more misery.

In addition to the Tax returns retained by
Hillary, why the Clinton library is retaining the documents regarding the interrelation of the (some in)last moment BILL's Presidential pardons and the donations of the beneficiaries to Clinton causes, between the the convicted felon Marc Rich and the brothers of Hillary ???

Caminito

To gandalfthegrey (and everyone else) --

Thank you for letting me tell just a little of the story that is so easily misunderstood.

Although I'm not black, I honor the traditions of the black church in America as sometimes the only beacon for racial justice, even though I also understand why white voters do not see the context of Rev Wright's provocative statements. I'd urged everyone to go to a traditional black church and experience the welcome they would find, but I doubt that many will follow that advice. In fact, it is likely to be white evangelicals who are most likely to understand that the church is family and one can disagree with one's pastor of 20 years on the rhetoric of change. For many, I fear, the 30-second video clip will be the beginning and the end of any self-examination.

To anyone who really wonders why Obama would regard Rev. Wright as his mentor after that 30-second clip, I would highly recommend reading the full text of the "audacity of hope" sermon that inspired Obama:
http://www.preachingtoday.com/sermons/sermons/audacityofhope.html

It only takes a few minutes to read, not an unreasonable length of time for anyone of any race, gender, ethnic origin, political persuasion to find much with which they can agree. No, it won't resonate in the same way to everyone. That comes from our own experience in life and the experience of those we love, and nothing is more true than that black and white America have had different life experiences. We now stand at the edge of what may, just may, be a bridge at last. In something as important as changing race relations in this nation, we all owe those few minutes in deciding what direction we want America to go.

I'm not saying that people should vote for Obama just because he is black (or bi-racial), just that we need to elevate the discourse with empathy about where our opponents are coming from. As an Obama supporter, I sometimes find it difficult to deal with the Clinton campaign's approach to politics or the McCain approach to policy. Both are highly distasteful to me. As I invite their supporters to feel some empathy, I would also have to accept their invitations to share what they value above politics. With McCain, patriotism is defined in combat against enemies and his life experiences including his heroism in Viet Nam have shaped that view. For Hillary Clinton, the values above politics are less easy to see -- the values for which she would sacrifice political fortune -- and I'd like to hear about them.

Here is the answer to those who fault Mr. Obama for not wearing a flag on his person:

The Flag Code states that the flag should never be worn. (Section 8d): "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."

I have a thought for those on this thread who continue to chant that the Democrats will suffer a great defeat in November.

Perhaps you need to take a moment and look around at our country.

When I look around, here are a few things that I see:

* A continuing war in Iraq that has cost our nation nearly 4,000 young kids killed, and moreover nearly 25,000 wounded - many, many of them grievously wounded.

* A continuing war in Iraq that is costing our treasury about 10 BILLION dollars each and every month.

* A housing mortgage collapse that is driving down the value of all of our homes - for most of us our homes are our greatest investment and we are losing money everyday.

* A credit market collapse that dwarfs the mortgage industry problems and is threatening the very foundation of our capitalist society - here and among our allies.

* Gasoline prices at the pump predicted to rise past $4.60 per gallon by the end of May.

* Tens of thousands of workers losing their jobs every month and the nation teetering on the edge of a very serious recession.

Just take a moment and look around. Look at the total voter turnout in the 40 primary and caucus states who have voted thus far. -- Notice anything?

I've noticed an overwhelming number of new voters and "recovered" voters rising from their "couches" and making the trek to the polls to cast a vote.

They are voting Democratic by more than a 2 to 1 majority.

Why? Well here is a quote from this very newspaper - today:

"It's no mystery," said Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.). "You have a very unhappy electorate, which is no surprise, with oil at $108 a barrel, stocks down a few thousand points, a war in Iraq with no end in sight and a president who is still very, very unpopular. He's just killed the Republican brand."

Yes, my friends - the old Republican warrior has once again accepted the challenge to serve his country -- and he will throw himself on the grenade of the George W. Bush legacy.

But, he knows, and we know that he will not win the Presidency. And, the Republicans know that huge majorities in both houses of Congress will go to the Democrats.

It is going to be an electorial disaster for the Republican Party - thanks in the most part to the guidance of Dick Cheney, the ineptitude of Don Rumsfield, and the blind stubborness of their "boss" - the Dunce of D.C.

We are going to have a Democrat in the White House and huge majorites of Demmocrats in both houses of the Congress.

And, they will face the most God-awful mess that this country has seen since the Great Depression.

So - to all the angry Bush apologists -- you had better take a deep breath and try to figure how you are going to survive the next 4 years -- because in your hearts you too KNOW THIS -- we are going to do it with a Democrat in the Oval Office.

So many Americans voted for Barack Obama without knowing anything about him and now that we are finding out more about him every day I'll bet a lot of people wish they had knew more prior to casting their vote. By no stretch of the imagination is Hillary Clinton the ideal or perfect candidate, however, I think you would be hard pressed to find her linked to the radicals that Barack has spent the last 20 years surrounding himself with.

I know many are quick to dismiss the recent video that has circulated the globe 3x over with Baracks Pastor spouting out the most hateful comments that have been heard in this country since David Duke ran the Klu Klux Klan. Personally, I believe that before people dismiss a 20 year relationship with someone so close to Barack Obama they better know a whole lot more about him, so far the media and the U.S. voters have given him a free pass.

Even if people dismiss his 20 year relationship with his Pastor, who absoultely hates white people and blames the Government for everything bad that's happened the last million years, then people should examine closely his relationship with Louis Farrakhan, and with other individuals who were suspected of bombing the Capitol during the 1970's. And, even if people are so blind they want to look passed all of his relationships with radicals, who despise and hate anybody not African American, than listen to his stance on wanting to raise taxes one trillion dollars, or listen to how he wants to butcher the U.S. military and run and hide from every enemy the U.S. has. If Barack Obama spends 4 years in the White House it will set our country back a 100 years. It will divide this country not in half, but into pieces. Before people cast their vote, make sure you know who you are voting for. Germany made a mistake 80 years ago by putting the wrong person in charge and nobody in the history of the world will ever let them forget that mistake again, I don't think we should make the same mistake with Barack Hussein Obama, it's going to be too costly.

Superdelegates must be pretty much like all Democrats. They won't want to be -- or be seen as -- un-Democratic, top-down elitests imposing their will upon a majority. They won't want to do unnecessary damage to their personal reputations or historical profiles in the name of courage. For instance, they will be very dubious of the political cover afforded by some such "principle" as choosing the "best" aspirant, in Ferraro's terms. They won't want to back a loser. Probably they are mindful that candidates remember how early or late a superdelegate entered a commitment to their candidacy. And like the rest of us, they do hope and act on behalf of a better country...rather than a third term for a triangulating, faintly Bush-like administration. Superdelegates will welcome provisional new Democrats (PNDs) and the ticket leader who promises to bring forth these fresh voters - independents and even some Republicans, as well as younger people.

They don't like the clintons in Iowa.

People in Iowa must thin 9/11 is our fault.

They know what it is like to be called N unlike HRC who never had any adversity.

Red state Dems are going to flee Obama in droves.

I am an Asian scientist and I do not work for the Clinton campaign. I have donated money and volunteered my time because I believe in Hillary as the best candidate for the job.

So Obama supporters, please do not refer to Clinton supporters as drones or call them other insulting names.

Is it so hard for you to see a point of view that is different from your own?

It is very interesting to see how the Obama campaign, the media and the Obama fans are so quick to label Hillary and Bill Clinton as racist when they made factual statements about Jessie Jackson winning South Carolina with 80% of the Black vote. They quickly labeled Mrs. Clinton as racist and as trying to diminish Dr. Martin Luther King by saying that it took a president to pass the Civil Rights Act when it did. All this was done as a way to diminish her support among Blacks and it continues to work.

The Obama fans daily write post that call Mrs. Clinton all kinds of names and say such mean, hateful things about her while repeating rumor and inuendo. To me, that is doing exactly what their candidate reportedly is against. Why is Mrs. Clinton continually held to a different standard than Mr. Obama? If this information came out about Mrs. Clinton's minister of 20 years, the same minister that married the Clinton's and baptized Chelsea Obama people would have hung her up by her toes. She would be called racist and probably run out of the party.

Obama people want Mrs. Clinton to be scrutinized fully, You all want this full disclosure, transparency for Mrs. Clinton but when it comes to Obama everyone screams unfair and racisim.No need to look into his dealings because he's the man, he gets a free pass. Why is she held to a different standard? Be honest with yourself, to hear Obama say he never heard these remarks by his minister of 20 years is unbelievable!

It's also interesting how Obama fans have completely diminished how well this country did under the 8 years of Bill Clinton. It's funny when the question is asked are you better off now than you were 4 or even 8 years ago and a good majority of us will honestly say yes, lets not forget it was under Bill Clinton.

I said a month ago it is all over but the shouting. But there is so much of it!

As the Clintons circle the drain, their sockpuppets get more desperate and more ugly every day.

But could everyone please stop telling each other to get back on their meds?

Insulting each other is supposed to be against the rules, but since it obviously is not, I implore the 5 Clinton employees who spam these blogs: please be a little more creative with your gutter balls.

To ajclayton |

Thank you. You told us a tiny piece of a story that many folks did not live and now, do not understand. Walk a mile in his shoes, my mentor used to tell me...and then you might understand some of what he knows.

Keep strong.

Reverend Wright has invoked "Liberation theology" as justification for his inflammatory messages. Guess that is supposed to give it the aura of religious and intellectual legitimacy. That certainly plays well within the black community but, among the wider community that Senator Obama must appeal to, it is perceived as a message of intolerance and hate.

As anyone knows who has been involved in an EEO investigation, perception is REALITY - no matter how contorted. Senator Obama has a BIG problem.

I want to see where Bill and Hillary's big $50 million income over the last 8 years came from. This is very relevant as Hillary injected $5 million of this into her campaign. Are we seeing money from the Ukrainian and Kazakh gangsters end up influencing our elections?Clintons let's see your tax forms for 2000-2007.

The Democrats are digging a hole for themselves by promoting Obama. He can not win the general election, period.

Getting 25% of the white votes plus low support from Hispanics (there has been feuding between Blacks and Hispanics for years) spell disaster in November. Some of the superdelegates need to think about their future before they get onboard the Titanic.

Only cool heads can prevail. Take a deep breath and ask yourself : Forget about the polls, but does the mathematics adds up?

Senator Clinton must feel a little like the town marshall in the movie High Noon. Everybody wants him to leave town, but he stays and prevails against the odds. That's why Hillary's supporters like her so much. She's not a quitter.

Obama is half white and was raised by his white mother and grandparents in a Non-Black environment in a generation after Rev. Wright. And, should not be quilty by this association. Additionally, the speech shown so often is of Rev. Wright speaking at Howard University and not in the pulpit of Obama's church. As a Black person, I have heard these type of speeches and more in the pulpit. They do not reflect my views. They also have not made me want to abandon my church home. Church loyalty is not tested by a pastor's occasional sermons you may disagree with or outright reject, but by the bond with your family. This goes deeper than who is in the pulpit and is based on the lifetime body of work of your church. Pastors come and they go, but the church family remains. The person who helped you when your mother died is there, the family who served as your surrogate family is there, and so on. There are roots that bind you to the church, and it is not just the voice and the face in the pulpit that sometimes says mean things. Rev. Wright's inflammatory remarks are the result of the left over fustrations of a generation of Black men and women. As the generation of Blacks after them, our experiences are different and we do not see the world through theri lense. However, we do understand the basis for their feelings and viewpoints. My generation does not think, act or respond in lock step. We do however, acknowlege that these opinions exist and we move on. We realize that some of the generation of White and Black citizen before us are locked in a dichotomy of race. Barack, offers an opportunity for America to loosen it grip to this dichotomy. Isn't it crazy that the same people that label him a Muslim manchurin candidate now believe he is under the influence of a hate-filled Christian minister???? Finally, the only instance in which one is required to place their hand over your heart is during Pledge of Allegiance. On other occasions it is an individual choice. Please remember that, David Duke, George Wallace, D.B. Griffith, Barry Goldwater, Strom Thurman, Trent Lott, Governor Blibo, Jesse Helm, Seantor King (Iowa) ad nausem all displayed the outward sign of allegiance. The things said on this blog on both sides of the aisle would make these white seperatists delighted to see that the seeds of their allegiance to racism and race hating alive and well in 2008.

ANTI-OBAMA SMEAR MANIFESTO:

START BY SAYING THAT YOU ARE

a. an Obama Supporter

THEN INCLUDE THE "SMEAR DU JOUR"

MOST IMPORTANT:

KEEP REPEATING IT OVER AND OVER!

(be sure to keep changing your name)

MOST IMPORTANT !

never let on that you're supporting McCain

"During the Democratic primary, Obama supporters were seen spitting on Clinton supporters at the Metro"

OH MY GOD!

CALL FOXX!

an obama supporter spit on a clinton supporter!!!!!!

THIS IS BIG !!!

this can be the next smear du jour !!!

S P I T - G A T E ! ! !

(add it to the whispering campaign that he's a Muslim, that he's Black, that he's not Black enough, that he's full of hate, that he doesn't hate enough, that his milkman has outstanding parking tickets, that..)

There is obviously a great amount of underlying hatred for America by many both black and white. To believe that Obama is and was not aware of the culture of his house of worship is to believe that ones grandmother is a virgin. What Patriotic American would not be repelled by the pathetic rhetoric of Obamas so called pastor. The verbage used by this raving lunatic was a vehicle for inspiring hatred and division. It is no wonder that Wright is close with Farakahn who also expounds the same philosophy. What the Obama worshipers out there cannot understand is that Obamas past is also part of his future. He is a dyed in the wool racist and will set back the gains America has made to heal the racial divide in the last 40 years. Hopefully those out there who believe in America, who truly believe in racial equality, who truly are religous and reject the vitriolic pathetic rehtoric of Obamas raving lunatic so called religous leader of the past 20 years will halt the Obama campaign in its tracks in the next 10 democratic primarys. I am not a Clinton supporter, but I am a patriotic American who understands that although not perfect, America is still the land of the free and the home of the brave. We build fences to keep people out, not to keep them here. So America haters if you think things a are so terrible why not just leave. Cuba, Syria, Iran, Russia, North Korea, Indonesia, will welcome you. One suggestion don't criticize their government if you value your limbs!

I have been astonished for months on the level of hatred Obama supporters have for Clinton supporters. During the Democratic primary, Obama supporters were seen spitting on Clinton supporters at the Metro. I wondered how Obama with such a message of hope and change could insprie such hatred in his supporters and then came Rev. Wright. Question answered.

About Obama's pastor. Let me be nostalgic. Before the 1963 March on Washington, when I was a young white female, I worked in the civil rights movement, in Memphis/Mississippi, Virginia and on the streets of Washington, DC. Civil rights workers who respnded to Birmingham by trying to get people out for the March on Washington would go to historically black churches to be inspired by some of the greatest preachers the world has known. We saw nothing unusual about hearing about a nation's shame inside those churches. We saw nothing suprising about those churches being courageous enough to welcome us. Outside those churches sometimes were Malcolm X and his followers. They acted as physical guardians of our right to be there -- but I can remember having an argument of sorts outside a Washington church with Malcolm X. Invariably polite and low-keyed in person, he argued to me that whites should not be participating, that this black revolution had to be done by blacks alone. I disagreed, audaciously, but I admired the man. I would come home from being target practice for passing cars with racist drivers as I walked on the road, placard in hand, to Fredericksburg, VA, past the still-lived-in slave quarters of a century earlier and would turn on the radio. There would be Elijah Muhammad preaching about "white devils." My point is this: If you couldn't understand where Malcolm X and Elijah Muhammad were coming from, you didn't belong in the civil rights movement even as you disagreed with all your heart and body with their pessimism about racial harmony. We shared anger about racial injustice and a willingness to place our lives on the line to fight against it. That was not hating America. That was loving the best of this nation inside us.

That is why I say that white voters today have very little understanding of where many older black preachers are coming from. The black church historically has been the place for people to speak what they dared not speak in public. The preaching may sound angry, filled with hate. But it is hating of racial injustice and its consequences and the unfulfilled dream of America, the kind of hatred that only someone who loves this country and wants more from it could feel. Preachers like Rev. Wright -- who was a US Marine, by the way -- inspired their congregation to more than self-pity. They demanded more than personal escapes of black Americans from oppression. They insisted that those left behind must not be forgotten, that we all are judged in how we treat everyone on this planet. Among my younger black professional friends, I suspect many find nothing wrong in what Rev. Wright said but dare not say so because they realize that whites simply do not understand the message. That's not the same as hating America. In the unique tradition of the black church, where words have carried double meanings of anger and hope, it is hating the racism we must purge from this nation in how we deal with one another in our neighborhoods, in our nation and in this entire world.
Harvard may have shaped Obama's mind, but it was Rev. Wright's church that inspired him to believe that change must come from the people up to politicians.
I would think less of Obama if he had thrown Rev. Wright from his campaign bus, even as I recognize as I'm sure he does that most white voters have no idea of how such preaching can be inspirational and inclusive, not hate-filled. I wish they did. I wish everyone who has concerns here would go to a historically black church and sit in the congregation -- and talk with members of the congregation. They would find a welcoming family. White America has nothing to fear from a candidate who wants to move this nation beyond racial polarization.

By the way, I'm an atheist -- and a feminist.

Jackson_dem_73. The Clintons have 'given' $225,000 to superdelegates in addition to the fact that they have the Clinton name and political machine that has been around for at least 15 years. Donations and Favors are the two things politicians trade most. I have no problems with the way the Obama Campaign is being run.

It is good to see that the Obama Campaign marches on inspite of this latest "one-two" Ferraro-Wright punch from the Clinton Campaign.

If you are a Clinton supporter I wouldn't start celebrating just yet. Obama was supposed to be toast on Super Tuesday after the 'racial tone' of the South Carolina Primary. Didn't happen that way did it?

There is one headline I would like to see: Obama WINS Texas. According to www.realclearpolitics.com, he now had more delegates from Texas than Clinton.
Surely that should strain the story line of: he can't win a big state.

rat-the:
Why aren't you in Iraq right now fighting for the country you love?

thinker:
Love the irony of your moniker dude.

svreader:
Stop boring us.

I fail to see how a woman who is unable to plan and execute a properly organized election campaign is supposed to be qualified to run an entire country.

Michigan and Florida need a re-vote and the remaining states need to have their say. Otherwise how can ANYONE claim to have the popular vote? The fact is that no candidate has every been made president without at least gaining Michigan, Florida, PA or Ohio.

Since 1988, Bill Clinton is the only one to take Ohio and he took it in both 1992 & 1996 and it turned and stayed red since then.

PA has been blue every year since 1988, but Dems are losing ground. Clinton took it by 9%, Gore by 5% and Kerry by only 3%.

Florida has only been blue once since 1988 and that was when Bill Clinton turned it blue in 1996.

Bill Clinton turned Michigan blue in 1992 with a 13% advantage and it has been blue ever since, however Kerry only won it by 3%. Do Dems really want to make Michigan voters angry enough by making Obama the nominee without allowing them to vote for their choice as well? Many Dems felt their votes did not count in 2000 because Gore received the popular vote, but electoral votes gave him the White House. Obama can not possibly get the popular vote UNLESS Michigan and Florida get their chance. Voters in Michigan and Florida were not the people that decided they wanted their primary moved forward, it was the party bosses/elites that made that decision.

If you want Michigan and Florida voters to just stay home in November, then take them out of the equasion now and "hope" that OB can will with 100% of the black vote.

Obama has given over 700,000 to superdelegates, change you can buy?

nqb, svreader, thinker, lowatreasures, et al --

It's always amusing to read your anal rants on the boards. You should really consider seeking professional help for your mental problems, you know.

You seem to be very upset that Obama is not perfect -- as Hillary is (ha!) -- and you don't appear to be able to let go of the idea that ethical integrity is of paramount importance in this campaign.

On that score you are right. Ethics and integrity are at the very core of the discussion of who's the best candidate for prez. However, you are undermining your own argument by supporting the Clintons.

You wring your hands in disgust at Obama's actions -- past & present -- his choice of associates, and nit-pick about every crack in the sidewalk he has ever stepped on, yet you have no hesitation when defending the disgustingly negative and divisive machinations of the Clinton campaign.

Why is that? The Clintonistas preach about how flawed Obama is, all the while, throwing as much s#*t as you can lay your hands on at him. How is that ethical? How is that right?

And yet you have the balls to impose ethical standards upon Sen. Obama?! Try applying the same criteria to the Clintons, for a change, and see how they compare. My bet is, very poorly.

Obama you have no credibilty left. I guess you just happened not to be in church on the sundays anti-american hate speech was delivered, but oonn the sundays you were in church the "sermons" were all love and hope...yeah right..drop out of the race obama, you are not the candidate of hope and unity, you are a man who attended a very anti american, non inclusive , separatist preaching "church" for 20 years

OBAMA's pastor reveals that he is surrounded by people who think like OSAMA with Kool Aid

Hillary does not care about the party, nor the young people who have been inspired! All she cares about is winning something that she cannot win except by destroying something more precious than her dream for a victory! She seems to represent the worst of the politics of the past! There should be a woman with more class that should be the first female, and they have many classier individuals than Hillary. Imagine after George W, Hillary. The nation would be destroyed! We need another way of looking at life!

Let me do the math for you. Before Iowa county conventions yesterday and California final count Obama had 161 pledged delegate lead and an overall 131 delegate lead. After gaining 14 more pledged delegates late staurday, the total should be as follows: Obama 1421 to Clinton's 1248 pledged delegates. That gives Obama a lead of 173 pledged delegates. Therefore adding to that Obama's and Clinton's CNN total of Super Delegates 207 (Obama) -237 (Clinton), the Total delegates for Obama is 1629 to 1486 to Clinton. Therefore the total delegate lead fo Obama is now 143. These are the real math. Pledged delegate total is taken from Obama's website which gives full pldged delegate count for all the states including Colorado too.

DEAR DEMS,
Obama is refreshing. It's too bad no one has the guts to go THIRD PARTY AND STAND UP AGAINST THE CONTROL OF BOTH REP AND DEM PARTIES. PRESIDENTS DON'T MAKE FOREIGN POLICY ANYMORE, THOSE WHO CONTROL THE FINANCIAL DO.
ANY POLITITION THAT STANDS AGAINST THAT HAS GUTS, BUT WILL BE KILLED.

Oh, LOL! Dimocrat Socialists!

Well, as the good Minister and "Uncle" Wright would scream;

GOD D@MN IOWA and CALIFORNIA! ;~)

I cannot see how Hillary Clinton thinks she can win the nomination honestly. But somehow, HRC and her husband do not strike me as honest people, so they seek the dishonest way to steal the nomination. Shame on the DNC if they let this happen!

History and political science scholars will write for decades about this campaign and the brash junior senator from Illinois who took on the establishment candidate and put that candidate on the ropes. Obama's movement will be the standard case study for years to come as far as campaigning goes (Howard Dean is its precursor).

OBAMA/RICHARDSON '08!

David2007---

Good try, but the truth is that Obama did nothing wrong. These are people he knows. They are not him. Guilt by association doesn't fly with this voter.

NqBxt5PQj66Yk8yw, I've seen LOTS of people wearing American Flag pins - who lack patriotism. Patriotism is a way of life...NOT an object. In additon, you cite the law regarding the National Anthem...it has long been an accepted practice to hold one's hand over one's heart during the Pledge of Allegiance - but not a requirement for the National Anthem - I was taught in a Catholic School that was EXTREMELY patriotic. I think, perhaps, the point to make here is that objects and how you physically stand is not the measure of patriotism - how you fight for the rights of your country's people is. How you speak about your country is. How you defend your country is. The only analogy I can think of is the Christians worshipping idols...symbols, rather than the creator. It is America that should be held dearly in our hearts - and spoken of with our hearts...anyone can wear a pin - that does not show patriotism.

svreader - go do some research...it will give you something to contribute.

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/14776921.html

This is a site where Obama came into my town with a very diverse crowd attracted to him, many white staffers on board with his campaign and he goes into his family background with respect. He is proud that his mother and grandfather brought him up despite the fact his father left the family. He is proud of how they helped him get an education, like he wants all of our children to have. He told the diverse crowd, "We are family."

Let me repeat that, WE--ARE--FAMILY. We are all linked to the first 2 human beings to ever walk this entire planet. I have no reason to doubt Obama based on all evidence I have seen.

hilda.potter---

Obama is going to be our next president. I have a bottle of champagne chilling in the fridge right now waiting to celebrate.

NqBxt5PQj66Yk8yw----

You posted the EXACT same post on the NYT blog. It seems to me a lot of the posts here are by Hillary-bots.

Obama '08.

I am very happy to see that there are people out there whom remain understanding and fairness in judgment. The media has not thrown the curve, and we may continue to press forward for unity and change.

Either Obama or Hillary '08. My first choice is with Obama. Regardless what information of the preacher the media has displayed, they'd have to prove to me directly that Obama stands for racism.
He is a man of integrity and he is in to improve this country and involve us as a people together. He will tell us what he thinks on particular issues. All the evidence I have seen, is Obama rallying THE PEOPLE in general together for a common cause (be they white, hispanic, black, asian, democratic, republican)...and I remember when he came to my state and I still have clips in full. I imagine what I have witnessed online and in person from him, is the same everywhere he's been so far and that I can only conclude in contradictory to how the media has tried to persuade people with that lack of direct evidence to incinuate that he's a racist (even given the fact that he's half white and was mainly raised by his white side of the family because his father left the family at his very young age- that clearly doesn't add up).

If everyone would like to see how he included some of his white family members in the audience whom support him and with love, and how he told the crowd, "We are family." T