The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

the Obamanicas freak out quite horrible at the #s huh? Operation Chaos my ass....truth is people are seeing all of OBAMA'S LIES: 1)his anti-american ways refusing to wear the american pin 2) his wife who said "for the first time I feel proud to be an American" (what? affirmative action got you in College...you should be proud America gave you a job to make big bucks you ungrateful woman) 3)his ties wqith renzko denying him and then saying "oh yeah he gave me 250,000.00 but we gave it away" dirty liar, 4) his Reverend RACIST and ANTI-AMERICAN remarks in 20 years attending his preaching he said "I never heard that" LIAR AGAIN, and then saying "only black people know what it feels like" EXCUSE ME LATINOS, WOMEN, GAYS, JEWISH PEOPLE ETC. know what is like to have been discriminated. how DARE HIM MOCK US MINORITIES? and also he called his grandmother a "TYPICAL WHITE PERSON" that's dissing white people who have no racism in them, you can't keep blaming people for what ancestors did YEARS AGO then he plans to advance only blacks in JOBS...so to all the white people who were voting for him they saw how he's about to do a JUDAS on them. and then the new OIL DONATIONS HE DENIES ON TV. the truth has been uncovered and now we see WHO OBAMA REALLY IS...that's why he's DOWN on the polls!

Obama: There Will Be Bamboozling II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y7OFLl3asg&eur
l=http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/02/obamboozled_did.html

I have read so many articles about Obama trying to like and truat him but he's simply ingenuous. Virtually everything he says is not in alligmnet with how he vores, but his supporters don't care. I find the situation quite Bizare, but if you look at how he uses advertsing, and religios techniques, and focuses on young people and Black voters, and uses peer pressure to win... It adds up. Plus he has David Axelrod a notoriously vicious press agent ans startegist.So the game is undermine Hillary and undermine truth any way he can... I find it truly scary.

Though he often cites his background as a civil rights lawyer, Obama voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act in July 2005, easily the worse attack on civil liberties in the last half-century. It allows for wholesale eavesdropping on American citizens under the guise of anti-terrorism efforts.

In March 2006, Obama went out of his way to travel to Connecticut to campaign for Senator Joseph Lieberman who faced a tough challenge by anti-war candidate Ned Lamont. At a Democratic Party dinner attended by Lamont, Obama called Lieberman "his mentor" and urged those in attendance to vote and give financial contributions to him. This is the same Lieberman who Alexander Cockburn called "Bush's closest Democratic ally on the Iraq War." Why would Obama have done that if he was truly against the war?

Why is it that the so called greatest democratic nation has so many misogynists? Why can we not think intelligently and vote for an intelligent woman for president. If an intelligent man can imaprtially evaluate the candidates it is so obvious that the woman candidate is more qualified than the man. So people vote for Hillary. Do not hate her. Do not do unto others what you would not others do unto you. Think intelligently. Be kind. notsoaveragejane

Thank you so much for the article. It reminds me of the election in Ohio. Hillary had been leading Obama by good margins in the polls. As the race drew near Obama narrowed her lead. On the morning of the election the polls had Obama winning by 5 points. Hillary beat him by double digits. I seem to recall the same thing happened in California. So much for polls. All that really counts is the votes.

Why don't you political campaign addicts what until the people of Pennsylvania (and the other states) actually vote, or at least a week or less before the primary before you start looking at the mass array of polls, some of which are campaign tools for the candidates. They choose the one that suits their propaganda at the moment. Furthermore, they conflict with each other a lot. Furthermore, come election day, they are usually way off and the TV pundits spend three days making excuses about why they were erroneous.

Really, it may seem like a football game most of the time, especially the way the press covers it (actually the football coverage has far more facts than the politics) but i hope people take it more seriously than the Superbowl. But really I'm not so sure they do.

Anyone know the typical TV audience for the SuperBowl versus the turn out for a presidential election? That would be interesting I'm sure it would be simple to statistically account for the under 18 TV viewers who cannot vote.
The polls and pundits are usally off, so why make a big deal of a few points change in one of a hundred or more polls?

Internet poling is absurd. That is definitely NOT a random sample of anything, but especially of the voter public.

For those who think Republicans are voting for Clinton, check the exit polls. They are voting for Obama.

So by your logic, that means the GOP thinks Clinton is the more dangerous candidate?

Logic is logic, no?

Having followed various blogs and threads, it is clear that nobody is going to convince anybody of anything. So why post? To put in my two cents; nothing more. So a couple of points, that seem like common sense to me, but obviously not everyone would agree.

1. Clinton's pastor is not comparable to Obama's pastor. In one case, the pastor lied about what he had done, was found out, tried, and sentenced. Clinton could not possibly have known this serious flaw in his character, since it was not public. Nor did she refuse to disown him after he was convicted (to the best of my knowledge). But Obama knew of Wright's views, which were very public and consisted not only in pointed and vulgar criticism of the United States (fair enough, if his congregation can take it) but also in preaching hatred of white people. And Obama not only sat there for twenty years, he referred to Wright as his uncle and spiritual adviser, and he has embraced him publicly, noting that he could no more disown him than his (according to Obama) racist (white) grandmother. So not only are the pastors different -- secret vices vs. public vitriol -- but the relationship of Clinton and Obama to their respective pastors is dramatically different.

2. Polls are snapshots in time. Would any of Obama's followers argue that he should have dropped out of the race or did not stand a chance when the polls suggested he hadn't a chance? Did the polls call Clinton's win in California? What are the margins of error on the polls? Four percent? Five? What are the methodologies and samples? What questions were asked and how were respondents chosen?

3. Trends? Who cares? It is certainly possible, but highly unlikely that Obama closed a 28-point deficit in Pennsylvania in a couple of weeks. Now that would be amazing and notable. More likely, the PPP poll is flawed (check out its methodology). The only polls in Pennsylvania that count, of course, will occur on 22 April.

4. Endorsements? Again, who cares? Did Kennedy, Kerry & cpy. help in Massachusetts? And Wyoming is history, no? This is just campaigning and not particularly newsworthy.

Enough is enough. Let the only superpower of the world produce first woman presidxent when even the developing countiries have produced so so many. Is this the male chauvinism ? . It is a big surprise & disappointement to me as i looked upon the land of the mother of the modern democracy & the liberty to lead the world in the gender equality too. At last an woman have vwentured & arrived soi close yet it looks like due to the male chauvinism she may be denied of this historical oppurtunity. I want Dem. parrty to win & also this time at last in the history of the presidency an woman who is equally competitive & qualified get the chance thereby addressing this belated historical injustice. Engineer Ram Bahadur K.C. Posted on 03 April, 2008.

Best regards

jacksmith...

Posted by: JackSmith1 | April 2, 2008 03:47 PM

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the only thing worth noting on that post.

I noticed that the long, rambling posts (svrelapse, jacksmith) are sounding increasingly shrill. What's the matter, shouldn't the polls give you two comfort? Sounds like you are trying to convince yourselves more than us. BTW, Clinton has to have a convincing win in PA, not a so-so one. That is why she is so frantically campaigning in NC.

yankeenana2 wrote: "Obama did go on tv in Fla. he said that he would see that the votes were counted, but that was before the primaries,it was a tv station in Tampa Fla." Do you think that a copy of that program is preserved?

lisa8:

Hopefully, enough Republicans and Independents vote for Hillary in Pennsylvania then ; )

Hilary Clinton is most definitely not keeping her lead in PA. She is sliding in the polls. The margin is now within single digits; Last week she had a double digit lead. If Clinton does not win PA by 20 points she has lost any hope of ever catching Obama. This latest poll is not good for Clinton.

Obama did go on tv in Fla. he said that he would see that the votes were counted, but that was before the primaries,it was a tv station in Tampa Fla.Why hasn't the main stream media airing all the stories all the candidates are sprouting instead of putting OB on a pedestal the man lies oops Imeant to say misspoke

FairlingtonBlade:

I've been using her middle name longer than I have his ; )

McCain fails economics 101, communications 101 and politics 101 all.

He supports the government's bailout of big investment banks like Bear Stearns with $29 billion of tax payers money under the pretext that there is going to be a systemic risk to the US economy and financial system.

This is Henry Paulson's and Ben Bernanke's logic. Because Paulson was yesteryears' Goldman Sachs man. He should bail out his friends. McCain is OK with that.

Bailing out greedy bankers who wrapped subprime mortgaes in Collaterized Debt Obligations to provide lenders with cash is OK. McCain forgets that Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup with all their financial sophistication should have known what they are wrapping to sell in order to provide mortgage cash to underwriters.

But he is a tough market guy and conservative disciplinarian when it comes to helping home owners who were duped by lenders who introduced teaser rates, variable rate mortagages. They did not have a knowledge to understand fine prints.

It is understandable who is favoring whom and using money in McCain agenda. This is not different than Bush policies.

I really wish that someone in the Washington Post would explain to me and millions of Clinton Supporters, why you have, for the last 14 months continually run negative remarks about Senator Clinton. i have not heard one word about Hillary picking up SIX and yes SIX MAYORS IN SIX CITIES IN INDIANA. DON'T YOU THINK THAT LITTLE BIT OF GOOD NEWS FOR HILLARY WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE INSTEAD OF DESTROYING HER INTEGRITY AND CHARACTER?????

Newsweek reports:

"In a new ad, Obama says, "I don't take money from oil companies."

Technically, that's true, since a law that has been on the books for more than a century prohibits corporations from giving money directly to any federal candidate. But that doesn't distinguish Obama from his rivals in the race.

We find the statement misleading, because:

Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses.

Two of Obama's bundlers are top executives at oil companies and are listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the presidential hopeful."

Cable this morning featured polls that showed Republican 3 to 1 thought Obama would be much harder for McCain to beat then Clinton. Democrats thought Obama would be twice as hard to beat as Clinton. The Clintons make it up as they go along. The republicans already have a feature length film to release on Hillary. Just because Obama hasn't gone after their past, don't imagine that the republican 527's will give it a miss.

To Hillary Clinton this must sound like: "mission accomplished", when it comes to her Tonya Harding style campaigning. She will not win the nomination. 99 lawmakers have already endorsed Obama 96 for Clinton. He is closing the gap with superdelegates. The only question remaining is, will the numbers of defectors to McCain from Hillary Clinton's supporters be as high if she actively and positively campaigns for Barack Obama after he has won the nomination?

Ah, won't happen - right?

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/hillary-clinton-is-using-the-wright-controversy-against-obama/

Don't make too much of the "google" poll ... I google Barack Obama several times each day together with Rezko, Reverend Wright, John McCain 100 year war and most of the indefensible issues that are associated with him. Since every misstep that Senator Clinton makes is splashed all across the major media, those of us who support her and oppose Obama pretty much do our own research -- thus the bump. Don't put any good spin on it. I think you'd find there are a lot of people doing research like me .... sorry to break it to you like this!

DON'T BE DUPED !!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. "Carpe diem" (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see's a beautiful world of plenty for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it's time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children's future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton's offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama's place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

"This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT:-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith...

About Secret Service agents and "Persistent Picture-Seeker Irks Obama"

After studying American media I have found that trendsetting journalists in a patronizing and unappetizing way have decided to make it impossible for Hillary Clinton to fulfill her campain. Her main opponents are neigther Obama nor McCain. No, CNN for example even reinforce this behavior by allowing threatening and contemptuous and probably unlawful comments from Obamas supporters. The only positive result of this kind of acting is that it tells a lot about some of Barack Obamas followers. This is one example CNN February 23rd:

"Hang the WITCH
burn in hades witch
you no good lying witch
YOU SHOULD DIE & go away"

Clinton said she "misspoke" about infiltrating Bosnia, Rambo-style, under sniper fire.

Yet "misspoke" doesn't seem like the right word for a story that turns out to be easily distinguishable from the true facts.

I suggest coining a new word: misspeech - meaning a whole speech, or sizeable part thereof, in which the speaker employs a flexible approach toward reality.

By the way, misspeak under oath and you can get five years in the clink for perjury.

Yes you go Hillary, The Clintons live on. Not God Damn America, God Bless America. We will never vote in a racist empty head like Obama.......

- I will visit USA and start to buy US products; if the new US President is experienced enough to bring the whole world together
- I will visit USA and start to buy US products; if the new US President can think about anybody else than himself
- I will visit USA and start to buy US products; if the new US President is experienced enough to create a dream team around with best people for their job
- I will visit USA and start to buy US products; if the new US President is human and not an actor

Finally, I will visit USA and continue to buy US products whatever happens because I love its people. European

"any...any hint of danger, they would not have landed a plane with the first lady and her daughter...his". Of course it wouldn´t! And Hillary was quite aware of that as well. The only problem is that Americans has not the slightest ability to understand a joke or self-irony. Irony is your main wapon and it has always been. Godd bless the United Kingdom.

Hi there
I am from Switzerland... although I am not American hater; but after 2003; after the start of the Irak war decided not to visit USA... or not to buy any US products...
America is a great country, the land of opportunity; and the land which has the potential to bring the whole world together as a single democratic nation ...
Since couple of decades you have presidents who lie for their cause... who were/are selfish... real politicians than humans...

See how bad the US economy is, see how the people are suffering in the war zones, see how other people from other nations think about America...
Its really sad; how a nation could fall this much down; because of the politicians and their selfish policies ....

I will visit USA and start to buy US products; if the new US president is young and energetic to bring the whole world together
I will visit USA and start to buy US products; if the new US president can think logically and judge the things in the right way and time
I will visit USA and start to buy US products; if the new US president is wise enough to create a dream team around with best people for their job
I will visit USA and start to buy US products; if the new US president is a human than politician

This is not the mind set of one person; try to talk to people out side US

Actually you people need a change!

BigTimeOhioan talks about the Bosnia visit and the sharp shooters, etc...but the pilot was interviewed last week and he contradicted all that (as has everyone including Simbad). The pilot said that nothing was flying, not even a bumblebee. No orders were given to sit on flak jackets...he thought that may have come out in the movie "Apocalypse Now" and he was emphatic in stating that if there had been any...any hint of danger, they would not have landed a plane with the first lady and her daughter...his interview is in You tube, also.

Mrs. Clinton portrays herself as the supporter of workers, of unions, of children, but this ABC report during the debates, earlier this year, pretty much captures the true Hillary Rodham Clinton, in my opinion. You decide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sigkAd3SxxI

Pensylnvania is the land of blue collar and Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with them. She has not worked with them on the street to help them finding jobs as Barack Obama did! She had loaned her own campaign millions of dollars (much more than a regular blue collar will make in his life time) coming from the lobbyists she is working for (and who do not have generally the interest of working people in mind) while Barack Obama's campaign is fully financed by small donors. Barack Obama is the man of the people, while Hillary Clinton is part of a dynasty and who would not be in this race without the name of her husband and the support from the establishment and lobbyists. In a fair world, Pennsylvannia should be an uphill battle for Hillary Clinton.

If Pennsylvanians are voting for the most experienced candidate, they should take into consideration that Chelsea Clinton has the same leading and heroic experience as her mother by growing up in the White House Mansion and by also dodging snipers fire in Bosnia. So Chelsea could also run for president if we follow Hillary's reasoning. Seriously, when Hillary will agree to cooperate to release her White House records, Pennsylvanians will know that most of Hillary Clinton's experience comes from meeting with lobbyist and that Barack Obama is really the most experienced candidate compared to Hillary, with more years in the legistlature (Illinois and U.S. senat) and more years working on the street with people.

Pennsylvania should be tailored made for Barack Obama! It's only a question of passing the message to the voters.

Meanwhile, the Clintons should be pressured to release their records (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors to their foundation). There are things that can raise ethical issues.

to the one who loves to put up quotes on these pages every day

about the "laundry list of the clintons' sins" and "mosts"

first...a 150 million dollar investigation into the first lady

'the first ever in us history"

is ...when it ends in nothing but a big fn....0

is a complete fraud upon the people itself

and ought to itself...

resulted in the disbarrment of the lawyers and prosecutors who did this to her for over 6 years straight ad nauseum

[does the duke rape case result have any relevance to you and that prosecutor only spent 5 months and a million dollars

...and he was aptly and appropriately RAN THE F out of town and LOST HIS BAR LICENSE TOO BOOT!]

so...why don't you add that in your

"firsts"

its was a big vast right wing conspiracy
that ended in the prosecution of a president for a

bj

wow...

three years of congressional total time
hundreds of millions of tax dollars mis spent

and NO INDICTMENTS AGAINST BILL OR HILLARY BECUASE

EVEN THOUGH DIS TASTEFUL TO THE LITTLE JEWISH HOTTIE THAT TOOK THE LOAD IN HER MOUTH BUT MADE SURE SHE CAPTURED ENOUGH ON HER LITTLE PRETTY DRESS AND KEPT IT FOR A YEAR

...IT IS >>THE LAST TIME I LOOKED

NOT A FELONY TO GET A BJ IN THE OVAL OFFICE!!!

OK!!!

AND ITS CERTAINLY NOT A FELONY FOR PUTTING UP WITH THE EMBARRASSMENT AS THIS MAN"S WIFE AND MOTHER OF THEIR ONLY DAUGHTER

so...go figure

maybe she ought to be prosecuted for
stayingw/ bill...

im sure those like you think she ought to be...

and you all would gladly spend another
2 years of this nation's time doing it and over 150 million dollars of tax payers money doing it

all at the lead by a big tobacco company lead corp counsel...who was on retainer to the same companies that clinton justice was helping to nail for killing everyone w/ deceptive amounts of nicotine in cigs for the past 50 yrs

[see the movie the insider]

and obtained for billions of unjust dollars...but

those of you who like to post these kinds of "mosts"

leave out that he was the ONLY PRESIDENT THAT WAS WILLING TO TAKE ON BIG TOBACCO AND BIG MICROSOFT

AND TRY TO OBTAIN JUSTICE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

AND DID SO>>>W/ big tobacco

the only down side

Ken Starr went away empty except for a
white lie about ...

the little jewish hottie who let some
of bills dna slip conviently onto her little blue underwearless dress...

go figure

but you forgot to mention

bill's load to mouth ratio ...

was also bigger than any other president's too

except..i heard...L BJ's

[but that's because of the name...only]

yes, "old big load johnson"

was his nickname they say around the
white house...and they also said

his little texan groupies ...swore by the stuff...

[g w s they say...never winds up on condi's dresses...though...

she's kind of anal about from all the insider accounts...]

I do not find racial meaning in every insulting remark about Obama from the Clintons as many have during this ugly season. However, I cannot understand what Hillary Clinton means by "he can't win!" unless she is harkening back to her Arkansas days and making outdated assumptions about America's unwillingness to embrace an African-American president. I can't help but believe that this was her coded meaning and, fortunately, she is dead wrong.

I am not a Democrat who would vote for McCain, but I will not get enthusiastic about Obama until 2016. He is too young and inexperienced.

You say paJAMa, and I say paJAWMa,
You say OBAMa, and I say OBAWMa,
PaJAMa! PaJAWMa! OBAMa! OBAWMa!
(If you don't know the next line, you're not old enough.)

by the way

the quinnepac poll ...re: hillary in OHio

on the weekend before the election

GOT IT JUST ABOUT RIGHT!

she actually beat the numbers of quinnepac

so go figure

it was rassmussen that had OHio tied w/ hilary

which the national media NEVER ADMITTED TO INDICATING

SHE BLEW HIS DOORS OFF IN OHIO

84 out of 88 counties

and here's the oppositte side of all this
obama talk in pa

....if PA voters vote in record numbers

this year b/c of their status as a meaningful primary for the first time in years...

like say..2.2 million voters which is comparable to ohio's totals [pa actually has MORE registered voters than ohio]

....

if she wins by 9 or 10 %...

SHE CLOSES THE POPULAR VOTE ALMOST OVERNIGHT INSTANTLY

that IS WHY THE MARGIN IS IMPORTANT
DON"T KID YOUR SELF

AND THIS IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE

no matter what...

if the voters vote in the number of
3 million

OBAMA IS TOAST FOREVER...

do you obama ite better pay rasmusseen and that ppc polsters better

.....so they can try to depress the hillary voters in pa ...to not come out

and you better pay some evil cia operative to get the bad weather machine running for April 22

b/c if PA votes heavy and i mean heavy

its OVER "THERE

for O MAN A

not so from hea vena

or is that from Havvana?

like some soronoa

good night and good luck obamaites

& indiana and wva and kentucky

are lurking in the shadows dudes?

just say...BOO! in indiana and ky and wva

and the ghost of chicago's south side 'johnny'

...will be no more

It is my opinion that svreader is vastly more interested in seeing his words posted than in either the candidates or the election. Hasn't been any new or relevant information out of him in weeks... just wind.
As for JackSmith1, his goddess's "experience" is pretty frail; the wife of a dentist doesn't drill teeth. I like her ok, I just like Obama more. Bill was an adequate President, made to appear better by being bracketed between 2 Bushes. And we know how much Slick Willy likes bushes.
I am heartily tired of Yale. We have other universities in America, why only Yale can make leaders? Our last President not from Skull and Bones was REAGAN! Last election, BOTH candidates were from there!! Something about New Haven is starting to smell.

in a word

texan has it right

if we were to follow the polls and stay home...maybe their 'medicine' would work on the people of pa and other places

like it did in wisconsin and virginia and in senator kennedy's and kery's drinking 'buddy' room of their twin mansions

but i bet ted "the embarrassed irishman"

K..is truly mad as hell ...
not against hillary

but his stupid polsters like rasmussen

who seem to keep just

getting it wrong..on the ground...

for some reason...

this bizarre zogby polls are NO LONGER BEING USED...

that were first SO CNN and USA TODAY important to the Obama camp

but even these failed SO miserably

that zogby had to take a JOB AT THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN JUST TO STAY IN BUSINESS!!!!

Ha! HA! HA!

the question is...just WHEN DID ZOGBY GET HIRED

BEFORE IOWA...AFTER NEW HAMPSHIRE

or..better

after they had him winning California on the front page of the USA TODAY

by 13% on the date of the election!

what a load of crap these guys are

my five year old could do more honest poling that these discredited "i am now a part of the obama campaign"...freaks....

...whose kool aid will be listening to tommorrow as this race gets closer to the day of election?

rasmussen...or the local KDKA poll?

as in new hamsphire

THE ONLY POLL THAT HAD IT RIGHT WAS ONE OF THE LOCAL NH COLLEGES WHO HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD

AND NO ONE BUT NO ONE USED OR LATER REFENCED OR MENTIONED THIS POLL

they just used "Racism of NHites" as the basis for the "sudden shift" towards hillary

all the while

this very very credible political science professor in new hamphire kept trying to tell the nation media...i saw the interviews on msnbc...at 300 am!!!!

true on the night before the election there

"hillary is tracking very very postiviely and we are seeing a major shift towards her in NH

and everyone else including rassmussen and zogby and usa today and 12 others

had her losing by at least 13%

IT WAS SO GREAT

even andrea mitchel had to sit down and change her girdle on that one

[yes..its true..according to a poll taken by zogby and rassmuseen...575 of the american public BELIEVES andrea mitchel

wears a GIRDLE...ITS SO TRUE!!!!]

...anyways...

get a life and stop trying to suppress the real vote and simply allow the pa folks

do what they know full well they are going to do

they are going to follow new york, new jersey, california, florida, OHIO and TEXAS popular votes

and simply kick some ...O's a$$

out of the keystone state, if not out of the election...

and it ought to have happened sooner...

if florida was truly counted...ALONG TIME AGO

Ed "the big nose" rendell aint' going to allow anyone called "hussein" run over his

baby boo...

...so get the hell out of here OK?

The media seems obsessed with keeping this race going. When Clinton had the lead, they pushed Obama. Now that Obama has a lead, the media is not only pushing Hillary's case, but actually pretending that the race is still alive when it basically isn't.

I guess they know a cash cow when they see one, and this primary season is sellin' papers.

texan is right

....same old politics...rasmussen drank the obama kool aid before New Hampshire
and California [where he had him winning easily by 13%]

AND OHIO...

where obama lost every county except 4...

OUT OF 88 of them!!!

by wide margins...

pa..demographics are WORSE Than ohio's in many respects

but there is a movement and hillary knows this and that's why she has been in pa over 20 times so far and she's been in at least 15 separate cities as has bill

they are endorsed by over 7 major community mayors, and county executives

the governor, the lieut gov and the democratic party workes afsme, the ATF american federal of teachers and

the steelworkers are neutral

but a quote today in the pitt gazette

has 63 yr old steel worker from the clarion works

stating...

listen, "i don't want my name used by there is NOT one person in this mill that is going to vote for that guy with a funny name...ok?

check it out...

its in today's post gazette

so keep drinking in all those phoney pols which say "its close and he's closing in her in pa..."

the PITTS KDKA [most distinquished one if not oldest in the nation local news]

has a mutual quinnepac poll which is published in same newspaper

she still hold at least a nine point advantage over obama moma in pa....

what is SO very clear...

pa is holding for her and many in the middle part of the state will never vote for obama if he turned water into wine tommorrow...

and..the same thing is for many who are industrial workers and numerous nursing unions and teaching unions are working hard

by probably in the final analysis

not only the white male in the middle

in pa is more apt to vote along the lines of the Ohio primary...which simply swamped Obama moma

instead of all those cheese heads in wisconsin who heard one too many news items from their neighbor chicago...

but ...pa will be won by women

and women who love this intelligent, pretty and very seriously capable leader

who...
by the way...

landed in not one, but TWO "hot zones"

as per the former president of Bosnia

the acting president at the time of her visits

and he said...

"we told the staff and her plane associates to get out the flak jackets

and we told them that the situation in the hills next to the outposts were

capable of still containing snipers"

this is this man's quote

why doesn't teh national news put this on front and center?

and why don't they add

from the ap news article written in 96 about the tuzla landing...

"hillary was immediately surrounded by an advance team of sharpshooters and taken to the brush area where another team of snipers were waiting for her..."

so...go figure

no no bullets were being fired

but when is the last time your were

escorted by a sniper team into neutrallize military hot zone

w/ fighter jet aircover...
knowing your staff was told to don
flack jackets

...go read yesterday's nyt op ed piece
written by both of her staffers who described in detail the very real danger that they all did face on those jumps into the outposts

to encourage the troops and nato officers in those hot zones...

why is this such a story?

b/c they know hillary...

had enough balls to not only admit to a mistake
\
but to visit a real hot zone where people like mccain and cheney

today...would NEVER BE CAUGHT DEAD visiting

and obama was still wearing his "training panties" when this happened

apparently...

bult then again...

he probably gave a great speech about

"visiting a hot zone and taking fire one day soon"

and everyone will think he was the

re-incarnation of JFK and the
PT 109 story...

Obama takes on bosnia in a speech and settles ancient score!!!

i can just see that story in the making

The Clintons have shown that they will not hesitate to say anything or to cross any lines for more power and more money. The Clintons records during and after the White House speak for themselves:

- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Before Bill left office, he gave favors in exchange of money... For example, shortly after beeing pardonned by President Clinton, fugitive financier Marc Rich had his ex-wife giving $400 000 to the Clintons library foundation: Source:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,98756,00.html

The Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights: Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html

Let's press the Clintons to release all their records (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors to their foundation) so that we understand what lies below the tip of the iceberg.

The negative campaign of Hillary is representative of what the Clintons are; corrupted politicians with a lot of connected friends in the party who owe them and in the lobbying business who hope to collect for their favors to Hillary's campaign and/or to the Clinton's library foundation which is a money laundering machine.

mchaney2002 - "Not voting for Obama because of something his Pastor said"? Uhh excuse me. I believe people who do not vote for Barack Obama as a result of the Wright scandal is more so because of Barack Obama's inaction, by continuing to be a member of the church and subjecting his wife and children to Rev. Wright's hate speech. This reasoning for not voting for Barack Obama is NOT ridiculous; it shows that people are concerned about the Barack Obama's bad jugment for the past 20 years by attending this church that promotes black power while attacking white people (and our government).

If people have a problem supporting someone who had the bad judgment to continue attending such a church for 20 years while subjecting his wife and children to such rants such as the U.S. government created AIDS just to kill off the black population, then they have every right to not support him for that very reason. That explains why more Democrats would support John McCain over Barack Obama.

jacksmith seems to think that a wife inherits intelligence and wisdom from her husband. And then he calls the rest of us idiots. Figures.

ChrisDC - Keep in mind that Hillary Clinton never had "nation-wide" ads that aired in Florida unlike Obama who saturated the airwaves in Florida with his "campaign" ads. He may not have campaigned personally, but he sure campaigned via his campaign ads. So your "logic" doesn't add up because the people in Florida knew all about Barack Obama thanks to his numerous ads he ran. As for being "well known," I think your arugment fails on that front as well given the fact that Barack Obama gets far more favorable press compared to Hillary Clinton.

Why hasn't he campaigned in Florida? He has via his political ads he aired on t.v. Why didn't Hillary Clinton air campaign ads in Florida? Because she RESPECTS the rules, including the rule that allows Super Delegates to vote independently.

svreader

JakeD puts DIANE in there, because I called him out a few weeks ago regarding his incessant harping on Obama's middle name. It's idiotic and infantile. Let it go.

however, you know little about academics. I was a professor, except I wasn't. I was a lecturer at a British university, which is the equivalent assistant professor in the American system. Universities have research professors, who aren't tenured or tenure track. They are, however, entitled to use the honorific. Your harping on this particular matter betrays your lack of perception.

You would rather, to pick a previous metaphor, destroy the village in order to save it. You would leave the DemocratIC party in smoking ruins than live with the party choosing another candidate. I suspect you would have posted similarly about Tsongas had the net been around back then.

So sad.

Buh-bye

Please People!!What President Clinton did when he was in the White House has nothing to do with Hillary.She has made her own accomplishments.It has been proven that her foriegn affairs experience is a LIE!! You can't make it part of your resume when you held no official post besides being the first lady at the time.
We need to look at the facts and and see how the issues affect you and make a dicision based on who you think can solve them with the most accuracy.
All three candidates have flaws,short comings and weaknesses so lets stop looking for the perfect one.
Not voting for Obama because of something his Pastor said is rediculous.We are not held accountable for what other people say,only for what we say.
We have two of the best candidates running for the President of the United States.Hillary and Obama. If they were not they wouldn't still be in the race.
STOP BICKERING AND SHOW SOME CLASS!!

Please People!!What President Clinton did when he was in the White House has nothing to do with Hillary.She has made her on accomplishments.It has been proven that her foriegn affairs experience is a LIE!! You can't make it part of your resume when you held no official post besides the first lady.
We need to look at the facts and and see who the issues affect you and make a dicision based on who you think can solve them with the most accuracy.
All three candidates have flaws,short comings and weaknesses so lets stop looking foe the perfect one.
Not voting for Obama because of something his Pastor said is rediculous.We are not held accountable for what other people say,only for what we say.
We ahve two of the best candidates running for the President of the United States.If they were not they wouldn't still be in the race.
STOP BICKERING AND SHOW SOME CLASS!!

Hillary's Nasty Pastorate
Posted March 19, 2008 | 01:11 PM (EST)

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There's a reason why Hillary Clinton has remained relatively silent during the flap over intemperate remarks by Barack Obama's former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. When it comes to unsavory religious affiliations, she's a lot more vulnerable than Obama.

You can find all about it in a widely under-read article in the September 2007 issue of Mother Jones, in which Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet reported that "through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the "Fellowship," aka The Family. But it won't be a secret much longer. Jeff Sharlet's shocking exposé, The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power will be published in may

Sean Hannity has called Obama's church a "cult," but that term applies far more aptly to Clinton's "Family," which is organized into "cells" -- their term -- and operates sex-segregated group homes for young people in northern Virginia. In 2002, writer Jeff Sharlet joined the Family's home for young men, foreswearing sex, drugs, and alcohol, and participating in endless discussions of Jesus and power. He wasn't undercover; he used his own name and admitted to being a writer. But he wasn't completely out of danger either. When he went outdoors one night to make a cell phone call, he was followed. He still gets calls from Family associates asking him to meet them in diners -- alone.
The Family's most visible activity is its blandly innocuous National Prayer Breakfast, held every February in Washington. But almost all its real work goes on behind the scenes -- knitting together international networks of rightwing leaders, most of them ostensibly Christian. In the 1940s, The Family reached out to former and not-so-former Nazis, and its fascination with that exemplary leader, Adolph Hitler, has continued, along with ties to a whole bestiary of murderous thugs. As Sharlet reported in Harper's in 2003:

During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa's postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred thousand "Communists" killed marks him as one of the century's most murderous dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S. government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova, convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to both the CIA and death squads before his own demise.

At the heart of the Family's American branch is a collection of powerful rightwing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe, and Rick Santorum. They get to use the Family's spacious estate on the Potomac, the Cedars, which is maintained by young men in Family group homes and where meals are served by the Family's young women's group. And, at the Family's frequent prayer gatherings, they get powerful jolts of spiritual refreshment, tailored to the already-powerful.

Clinton fell in with the Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When she ascended to the senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family's "most elite cell," the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his downfall, Virginia's notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, the Family's publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

Furthermore, the Family takes credit for some of Clinton's rightward legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing "religious freedom" in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics.

What drew Clinton into the sinister heart of the international right? Maybe it was just a phase in her tormented search for identity, marked by ever-changing hairstyles and names: Hillary Rodham, Mrs. Bill Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and now Hillary Clinton. She reached out to many potential spiritual mentors during her White House days, including new age guru Marianne Williamson and the liberal Rabbi Michael Lerner. But it was the Family association that stuck.

Sharlet generously attributes Clinton's involvement to the underappreciated depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define the Family's theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worship Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as the Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power -- cultivating it, building it, and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells." "We work with power where we can," Doug Coe has said, and "build new power where we can't."

Obama has given a beautiful speech on race and his affiliation with the Trinity Unity Church of Christ. Now it's up to Clinton to explain -- or, better yet, renounce -- her longstanding connection with the fascist-leaning Family.

obama is a "slacker."

Without a doubt, from 2000 to 2008, the Senate's most prolific legislator is Californian Diane Feinstein. Senator from New York, Hillary Rodham Clinton comes in 3d overall (after Bill Frist) and 2nd for all Senate Democrats. Hillary's legislative output puts her into the 97th percentile.

Where does Obama rank? Not in the top ten or twenty. His output puts him at the 65th percentile.

bink --

I'm probably quite a few years older than you, kid.

Please don't insult me.

As far as your candidate goes, you can have him.

He's as phony as a three dollar bill.

Its too bad for you that you can't see that.

If we want to know how Obama is going to do we need to see what PA does.

If it is much worse then Ohio then Obama is in big trouble with the typical white people.

If it is about the same than Obama and Hillary are probably about as strong now as then in the GE (I would have given HRC a slight edge but I like HRC and both can lose) - although Obama seems to be off kilter - they can not pivot even with a very very friendly press. Three weeks and no 'effective' working class message although they have been trying.

svreader,

When will you finally get it that though you imagine you're doing your candidate Hillary Clinton a favor with your omnipresence in these WAPO forums you're really pretty much a perpetual annoyance who does your candidate more harm than good?

Wake up, son.

YES!

Rather than asking if Obama (or Clinton) supporters will switch to McCain if their candidate loses, the polls should ask if the respondents will vote at all. I suspect that a significant number of the "new voters" that Obama is attracting will stay home if Clinton wins. Many of Obama's strongest supporters in the primaries up to now have been from groups that historically have low turnout (minorities and those under 25). That is probably not true of most Clinton supporters. Thus, while an Obama-McCain election might lead some Clinton voters to go for McCain (as recent polls suggests), that is no worse for DEMS(and probably better)than a Clinton-McCain race that turns off minority and young voters who stay home in large numbers.

Posted by: gurssr | April 2, 2008 04:33 PM

They did that 16 percent a piece said they would not vote at all.

When a voter goes for the other guy that is a net loss of 2. 4-2 becomes 3-3.

If someone stays home it is a net loss of 1.

The Pa. primary should be quite telling in that I have seen numbers of 87,000 Repubs changing their Registration to vote for Obama in an effort to stop Hillary. These have been disputed by some in that changed Registration are well over 200.000. I hope someone in Pa. has these totals, and I would think Indies would be included since it is a closed primary [Voting only by party Registration] HELP!!

Keep in mind that Obama hasn't campaigned in Florida***, so it makes sense that Clinton would have an advantage, being more well known.

(***And why hasn't he campaigned in Florida? Because he RESPECTS the rules.)

Posted by: ChrisDC | April 2, 2008 03:32 PM

Hello Hello earth to Chris -Ohio- Penn.

Florida - no rule against campaigning there. Just a pledge which is now done.

Please off to the GOP with you we don't need your kind.

GM Michigan

The headline ought to have read, "Clinton's PA Lead Diminishing".

Because it is, and quite remarkably so.

Otherwise, all I'd like to add to this "discussion"--which is pretty much not-surprisingly dominated by ever-screeching Hillary supporters as have become most of WAPO reader commentary forums--is, Get. Over. It. Clintonites.

The issue that never gets talked about is Obama's history of cocaine abuse.

The press has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy about bringing it up, but it goes to the central questions of character and judgement.

The most important thing to not lose sight of is that Obama doesn't stand a chance in the general election.

Nominating him would be an symbolic gesture, but one that would cost Democrats the best chance they've had at the whitehouse in years.

Mrs. Clinton hits under the belt. She doesn't play by the electoral rules unless she makes them. If Florida and Michigan primary results count, then the state democratic parties that once disenfranchised black voters in the Deep South should petition to have their primary results accepted. After all, the National Democratic Party that began excluding state primary results that racially disenfranchised black voters is exercising the same authority in not counting Florida and Michigan's primary results because the two states broke the National rules. If the results of the early prohibited state primaries are accepted, then all national party rules should be abandoned, and any state primary result ought to be accepted, including the results from precints and states that discriminate on the basis of race.

Thanks Gov. Dave!!! =)! Right on!!

Go Obama!!

Who Else wants to give the nod?

I'd really like for our people overseas to get ready to pack up their equipment and prepare for departure on their way Home right here on Home Grounds. Absolutely.

Who Else wants to give the nod?

VeloStrummer (07:16) wrote: "just like FARMER BILL WHEN HE PLOWED HIS SEED INTO THAT WOMAN, MS. LEWINSKY'S DRESS".

Other BRAINPOWER borrowed from Obama supporters:
- It makes me sick.
- Hillary get out! You are showing how pathetic you are each day you continue on....
- Oh and just a suggestion, keep Chelsea at home. She is the worst public speaker I have ever listened to.
- I want to hear Hillary say what her husband and she did while in office for voters in Pennsylvania.
- I'm looking real hard here.....somebody please ask her!
- Maybe she was running from snipers!
- hahaha. I just hope hate Lady never quits
- Wow. No Hillaryous staffers here, eh??
- Hillary is such a hypocrite.
- I feel a lot of hate for President Obama in this room.
- When I see Oboma on television I feel inspiration...I feel a new beginning...I feel change!
- Clintonians, the Anti-American party, can
- Thanks again hate Lady!
- Monica Lewinsky and..

VeloStrummer, when I saw your comment above I thought about this statement from one of the Obama fans:

"When I see Oboma on television I feel inspiration...I feel a new beginning...I feel change!"

My intention is not to hurt, but this phrase seems to be designed to incite to lust or depravity - MY UNDERWEAR FEELS WET....I FEEL CHANGE! Is Obama a youth manipulator?

The Quinnipac poll is bogus. McCain would cream Obama by strong double digits country wide. No way is Obama in single digit shouting distance of McCain.

By Nov, every one will know Rezko, every one will know his middle name, every one will have seen and memorized pastor Wright's speech. Obama will be toast in Nov.

Serves the bleeping dems right for being such sexist rotten pigs and ganging up on Clinton.

Pretend that you're a Democrat (Hillary supporter)

Smear Obama with any of the following:

1. He's a Muslim
2. He's not Black enough
3. He's not White enough
4. He's not patriotic
5. He's a racist

note: never address any "issues", instead smear him with any association: his pastor, someone who endorses him, his wife, his father,etc. always make racist commments (i.e. compare him to Jim Jones), put his middle name in capital letters...and MOST IMPORTANT repeat it over and over (check FoxNews for latest smear)

remember: Americans are stupid! (look how we got them in the Iraq war!)

if you repeat anything enough, they'll believe it.

then

SAY IF OBAMA IS NOMINATED, YOU WON'T VOTE DEMOCRATIC IN NOVEMBER

* note: this is generally true, but if Hillary is nominated, it doesn't matter who gets elected...you can vote for whomever you want....McCain is slightly better, but both are in our lobby's pocket, i.e. both Clinton and McCain will put America in our WARS

THE NEOCON LOBBY OWNS BOTH MCCAIN AND HILLARY.

but not Obama

WE MUST STOP OBAMA !

As a middle aged white woman I can't believe the ignorance of my kind. Hillary is standing on the shoulders of her man to grab the White House ring. Strip away his name and his record and she would be a nobody.

When a woman who has fought up through the ranks of politics on her own accord then and only then will I vote for a woman. Thank you Obama for saving me from having to vote to wanting to vote Democratic.

Go Obama! If Obama can lose to Hillary by less than 10pts and show erosion of Hillary's white working class base, I would count that as a draw.

Oh yeah Obama picked up three endorsements today! Former Indiana Senator Lee Hamilton who was the top democrat on the 9/11 Study and led the Iraq Study Group. Obama got endorsed by the Wyoming Governor who a superdelegate and by the Senator from Montana who is also a superdelegate.

Coupled with multiple polling showing the Clinton Pennslyvania lead narrowing and the national lead widening for Obama over Hillary makes for a good news cycle over the next 5 days. If the Obama campaign announces tommorrow that he raised over $30 million, WATCH OUT! Here we go with Obama momentum, again!

I can understand why Shrillary chose this Pastor. They are both liars. And he has an affinity for young girls, just like FARMER BILL WHEN HE PLOWED HIS SEED INTO THAT WOMAN, MS. LEWINSKY'S DRESS.

By ROCCO LaDUCA
Observer-Dispatch
Posted Feb 29, 2008 @ 05:25 PM
Last update Feb 29, 2008 @ 05:27 PM
UTICA --

When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the Bible during his sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court earlier this year, he swore to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

But as the former Clinton pastor was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home last March, Judge Michael L. Dwyer said Procanick sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.

"As a minister of God, you got on the stand and you lied," Dwyer told Procanick, the 54-year-old former pastor of Resurrection Assembly of God church on Kirkland Avenue.

A jury found Procanick guilty Jan. 22 of first-degree sexual abuse and endangering the welfare of a child.

Dwyer said he believes Procanick was being honest when he told the girl's mother in a recorded phone call that he was wrong to caress the girl's body while she was trying to fall asleep.

However, Procanick instead testified in court that he did nothing wrong other than spend time alone with the girl, who was a friend of the family, Dwyer noted.

If Procanick had accepted responsibility from the beginning instead of straying from the truth, Dwyer said, Procanick would likely have faced a lesser punishment and possibly avoided jail time.

"The truth would have set you free," Dwyer said. "You had a chance to be a man and say, 'I made a mistake.' But as always, the cover-up is much worse than the original crime."

Procanick's defense attorney, George Aney, noted that Procanick still received a sentence less than the maximum, which was up to seven years in prison.

"It's considerably less than the maximum, but considerably more than he deserved," Aney said.

Aney also took issue with how Dwyer and the victim's mother used harsh language to attack Procanick's Christian values.

"You are just an evil man," the victim's mother said Friday in court. "You lied, and you had your wife lie. And all these people who showed up in court to support you, did you lie to them, too?"

The Observer-Dispatch does not identify sex-abuse victims and their families.
The victim's mother said her daughter is still waking up scared at night because of what happened, and she continues to see a therapist. The young girl also feels that everybody is mad at her, the mother said.

Assistant District Attorney Doug DeMarche Jr. then read a note written by the girl, who did not appear in court Friday.

"Bill made me sad and scared," DeMarche read. "I thought I did something wrong, because I trusted him."

Dwyer gave Procanick an opportunity to speak in court, but Procanick had nothing to say to the victim and her family.

Aney did not plan to speak in court, he told Dwyer, but he felt obligated to respond to what the victim's mother said about Procanick and his wife.

"I believe she shows her own lack of Christianity by referring to people as liars," Aney said.

After the sentencing, Aney further commented about what was said in court.

"I respect Judge Dwyer for what he said this morning, but I have to say I disagreed with him," Aney said. "I have every right to express my feelings, and my feelings are that we are not permitted to call anybody a liar. That's a judgment someone higher than I makes."

DeMarche, however, said he can understand why the girl's mother spoke of Procanick in such harsh terms.

"She had a lot of faith and trust in Mr. Procanick, and he violated that trust," DeMarche said. "I think she's justified in being angry."

Copyright Reverend Irving Wright with twenty years of Amens from Barry Obama

While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us repudiate a land that's so called free,
Let us all be hateful for a land that's so called fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer.

God Da-mn America,
Land that I loathe.
Stand astride her, yet despise her
With a chip on a shoulder from above.
From the plantations, up to Harvard
To the Jews rich from our blood
God Da-am America, keepin' us down down down.

the classic poll (most recently) that failed to account for Indies was one identified as an AP poll, for the November general election... as i recall that poll surveyed about 850 dems and maybe 750 repubs, but NO indies.... and then produced results showing that Mccain would stack up better than HRC, but not as good as obama, as i recall the percentages,,, but the big flaw in that AP poll about 6 weeks ago was that it completely failed to account for indie voters, who are on average about 28 percent of the national total, but much bigger in some states, and smaller in other states.... but still 1/3 of the electorate,,, so unpeel the onion to see how the national election polls obtain their #s... and if they do not include the proper mix of indie voters, then they are not worth the byte space they use on the web......

Yes there are other polls: Obama is up in PA by 2 pts in the most recent Public Policy Poll and only trails by 5 pts in Rasmussen's. Oh, yeah, baby ... April is the cruelest month, Mrs. Clinton.

Queixada:

I would actually prefer that Barack HUSSEIN Obama win the nomination (after wasting another $100 million, and only on the 3rd or 4th ballot, of course) rather than Hillary DIANE Clinton. The possibility that she could win against John SIDNEY McCain (at least for me personally) outweighs the likelihood that every Obamaniac stays home / votes GOP.

but don't forget how all the major polling services select the folks to add to their tallies... in Dem. primary contests, they only seek opinion of registered Dems (altho a few Repubs and independents may spoil their way into the mix),,,and same goes for Repub primary voter surveys..,, while in polling data for the GENERAL ELECTION IN NOV, they poll Dems, Repubs and independents... and hopefully in the correct portion of dems, repubs and indies in the national mix..., but a number of the polls have been VERY SKEWED because they did not canvass the proper percent of indie voters... they need to be 30 percent of the total at least, but many of the polls fail to include indie voters, or only in a small percent.., so don't forget how the polling data is collected.... like the sausage, you need to know how the ingredients are selected...

Part of the Obama snow job where he portrayed Rev. Wright's paranoid rants as coming from anger that is the baggage as the legacy of of old white racism, carried by old blacks. Well, there is current-day stuff that is alive and well, carried by the young blacks, that is a lot worse than the racism, sexism and homophobic intolerance of the older generation of blacks. It's called Hip Hop, Gangsta and Street culture. It's full of racism, paranoia, anger, violence, abuse of women, sexism and a whole lot of dysfunctional antisocial expression schemes. The social psychological disordered behavior that Rev. Wright's hate-speech-as-sermons represents and coveys to blacks and supported by Obama is alive and well in the current-day generation in Black America. It's just in a newer more dangerous carnation.

Blacks leaders should start speaking out about taking some personal responsibility for high rate of high school drop out, sexual promiscuity, children born out of wedlock, , absence of male parenting/role models, drugs, crime, incarceration, AIDS, instead of playing the victimhood game and blaming whites for black failures! Until that time there will always be hate mongers & race baiter,s to use them and profit from their plight like the Rev. Wright, Rev. Jessie Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, Barack Obama as well as 10,s of thousands of White and Black Politicians. In fact the whole Democrat party! Hand outs, instead of a hand up, is the means of keeping Blacks down and economic Slaves! Keeping Blacks as an race of victims and believing all of the above is Whitey fault is designed to keep them from progressing instead of a race of achievers! It is in the best interest of Black preachers and Democrat politicians! Blacks will never be lead to the promise land by hate mongering Preachers like Rev. Wright or by bottom feeding Politicians like Obama that wants and works to keep Blacks in the Ghetto, on Welfare, and voting Democrat!

I know because I count on average how many people per thread even acknowledge your existence, let alone whether it's because they agree with you, or because they think you're insane. It's significantly declining, because even when people take time they don't owe you, to refute some of the idiocy contained in your copied/pasted hate-campaigns, you still repeat the same mess and then act as if you proved someone wrong. Even the easily swayed idiots, that lurk in the thread notice this, and tend to steer clear of your influence. In the threads I've been to, typically two or three people go out of their way to agree with you, while most either ignore you, or downplay your existance. I have taken into account however, that you are doing all this on a message board that FAVORS Obama. So if anything, I at least give you credit for not preaching to the choir, but you're still preaching lies. If you plan on making any ground in the near future, you might wanna troll people who AREN'T educated individuals. :)

svreader:

I'm not "harping on" it anymore than I am on his pre-marriage middle name.

@leonardwatts2 said:

Clinton's Pastor

http://www.uticaod.com/homepage/x1637676857

Posted by: leonardwatts2 | April 2, 2008 02:55 PM

and msasianpersuasion2u said:

... and I remember Hillary Clinton's pastor Rev. William Procanick. He had that sexual abuse case back in January. And she talks about Rev. Wright, PLEASE!

Posted by: msasianpersuasion2u | April 2, 2008 03:27 PM

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Pretty sleazy posts, leonardwatts2 and msasianpersuasion2u. Procanick was not Clinton's pastor, he is from Clinton, New York.

I'm an Obama supporter, and it really irks me that scummy people like you two throw around a phony charge about Sen. Clinton. She does badly enough on her own without you two making up lies about her.

Queix --

Why do you think that?

JakeD --

Why do you keep harping on Hillary's pre-marriage middle name?

What point are you trying to make?

Lmao.
I come to these threads everyday
to laugh at everyone who pays
the copy-paste idiots any mind.

If there's any title Hillary/her supporters
have earned during this lengthy runs
is MASTER OF THE SPIN. They're like scientologists the way they lie to themselves and believe it.

svreader and Jake have probably been getting Obama votes if anything at all.
Hey. psht. I salute their efforts.

rick --

Obama and his supporters are the ones that do drugs.

Why don't you try getting sober.

If you do, you'll realize you've been supporting the wrong candidate.

To: David2007
In response to your comment on my comment. I am not for Obama or Clinton. But to show you where I got my information from is Clinton's former pastor:http://www.uticaod.com/homepage/x1637676857 and about Bill Clinton's girlfriends at: www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2399417 and the guy that posted before me also has a website posted. Have a good day!

svreader:

I pray to God you don't own any weapons.

Do us all a favor and double up on your meds.

storyofthefifthpeach:

If you think I'd ever vote for Hillary DIANE Clinton, you are mistaken.

Everytime I hear an Obama supporter talk about how "he takes the high road" it makes me want to vomit.

Obama's run a very dirty campaign.

Here's a time-line of some of his attacks.

http://www.attacktimeline.com/

JakeD---

Pro-Life Democrats?

So, I take it you support Clinton's vote against the ban on cluster bombs? You do know these kill lots of children? And the people in Iraq who have been killed due to her vote? Not to mention her stance on abortion is exactly the same as Obama's.

"Obama" in that last post should be "Clinton" -- sorry for any confusion.

P.S. to storyofthefifthpeach -- the state-by-state results are, at least, a start -- and, "shame" can be a positive motivator, especially for pro-life Democrats out there. "Every person is a person, no matter how small."

Funny the title of this article says "keeps her lead" instead of "her lead is shrinking".

This article is better:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/democrats_pennsylvania

Right Svreader. You are the last true messenger of truth. Your posts are so enlightening. Keep up the good work. I am sure you have won Obama some votes. Really.

svreader:

The latest Rasmussen poll has McCain leading Clinton in Florida 47% to 40% and Pennslyvania basically tied with Obama at 46% and McCain at 45%.

Obama supporters will do anything to supress the truth about him.

Its not going to work.

Obama's guaranteed to lose the national electon.

It would be nuts for Democrats to nominate him, regardless of what the current vote totals are.

The more we find out about Obama, the more we find that his "accomplishments" aren't his at all, but that he was given credit for the work done by others to make him look far more impressive than he actually is.

Obama is like a "Potemkin Village"

He looks good on the surface, but there's nothing behind it.

He's spent his entire political career running for office, and strong-arming people into putting his name on bills he never even did any work on.

The WP says so themselves in their recent article.

The NYT says "big image, little results"

All this will come out before the general election.

As will the truth about how his negligence led to people who voted for him freezing in slums in his district that Rezko, and in the rest of Chicago, that Rezko got $100M to repair, but never touched.

He can't win the general election.

But he can cause Democrats to lose it.

Everyone interested in the Presidential election should read the article that there's a link to at the bottom of this message.

Its from a Chicago reporter who's known Obama since the beginning of his career and has followed Obama's career ever since then.

The take-home message is that Obama is a total fraud, a manufactured product of the chicago politicial machine.

It tells about him stealing credit for bills he never worked when he was in Chicago, just like he did in Washington.

It talks about "Obama's Slums" and fact that Barry didn't care one bit about the people who elected him.

Its about the fact that Chicago Barry Obama is the one of the most clever con-men in the world and the biggest fraud that's been put over on the American public since Bush.

Its filled with facts about Obama from someone who has known him for years.

The title's cute. Obama isn't. He's a fraud.

http://news.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/

JakeD---

Well, if you find her "patriotic" comments and words about being ashamed to be a Democrat positive, I would hate to see what you consider negative.

JakeD---

Cool that you are obsessed with middle names, but the web site you pointed out is pointless. Without extensive polling data (of which their is none on a state by state basis at this point) no one can predict how things are going to fall in the general.

For now, Gallup is the best indicator.

sydneyg77:

No -- the polling data I have relates to the NATIONWIDE Electoral College, linked above, not just the University of Chicago -- my question to you was just that, a question.

Here are the latest poll results.

The bottom line is that despite all his supporters bragging and gloating, Obama can't win nationally.

He's lost the votes of "Typical White People" and he's not going to get them back.

Obama supporters want everyone to believe that nobody cares that he went to a racist anti-semitic church for 20 years and chose the guy who gave the "God damm America" speech as his "spiritual advisor"

The're wrong.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton holds a 9-point lead over rival Barack Obama among likely Pennsylvania Democratic primary voters ahead of the state's April 22 primary, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released on Wednesday.

Clinton, a New York senator who would be the first female president, leads the Illinois senator 50 percent to 41 percent, the poll found. She also runs better against the likely Republican nominee, Sen. John McCain, in Pennsylvania, Florida and Ohio -- all important swing states in the general election.

In a general election matchup in Florida, McCain closely trails Clinton 42 percent to 44 percent but McCain leads Obama, who would be the first black president, 46 percent to 37 percent, according to the poll.

"The difference between Clinton and Obama in Florida is the white vote," said Peter Brown of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

In Ohio, Clinton has a 48 to 39 percent lead over McCain after months of too-close-to-call results, the poll found. In an Obama-McCain matchup, Obama gets 43 percent against 42 percent for McCain.

In Pennsylvania, Clinton tops McCain 48 to 40 percent and Obama leads the Arizona senator 43 percent to 39 percent.

Among Pennsylvania Democrats, Clinton leads 54 to 37 percent with women and ties Obama with men at 46 percent support.

The primary vote between Clinton and Obama splits sharply along racial lines.

Clinton leads 59 to 34 percent among white Pennsylvania likely primary voters while Obama leads 73 to 11 percent among black Democrats, the poll found.

Roughly 44 percent of people in all three states said the economy was the most important issue in their vote, while about a quarter of respondents said the war in Iraq is most important.

"The economic concerns of voters make Ohio a tougher challenge for McCain than has traditionally been the case for Republicans, who have never won the White House without carrying Ohio," Brown said. "But Obama's weakness among white men is an indication that he has not yet closed the sale among the lunch bucket brigade."

The poll was conducted March 24 through 31. Quinnipiac surveyed 1,135 Florida voters with a margin of error of plus or minus 2.9 percent; 1,238 Ohio voters with a margin of error of plus or minus 2.8 percent; 3,484 Pennsylvania voters with a margin of error of plus or minus 1.7 percent including 1,549 Democratic likely voters with a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percent.

storyofthefifthpeach:

There's nothing negative about reading current polling data that SHOWS McCain will indeed win 3/4 of the States easily. Those are the facts as we know them today. What did you think "gracekelly" said that was negative?

you have polling data that indicates that the University of Chicago is lying to protect Barack Obama?

Gracekelly----

Does making negative comments really make you feel patriotic?

Is that what it means to you to be "American"?

That is not the America my family has been building for the last 300 years.

llrllr:

What, exactly, is "absurd" with averaging of polls -- lessens the impact of outliers and errors -- the more data, the better, I always say.

sydneyg77:

"Clearly" one of the crazies, with access to polling data (and, my "candidate" was Mitt Romney ; )

You are doing a disservice to the public on polls.

Why did you select this one poll rather than the PPP poll that shows Obama ahead in Pa., or some other polls?

Why does your column add a click-on connection to the Post article on polling, which says next to nothing? It is apallingly weak and then it shuts off reader comment, so at least someone at the Post realizes what a dog the story is. It tiptoes over the CNN averaging of polls rather than pointing out the absurdity of that practice. Why not inform the public and not protect your friends, CNN obviously?

Now is the time for a medium to assess all the polls since the Democratic race began as a way to let readers know that the CNN presentation is BS, and that poll such and such has been closest to right and poll such and such has been furtherist from actuality in election results since the race began? This would be a valuable story.

You should be working for your readers rather than protecting your friends in the media and polling organizations.

storyofthefifthpeach:

Actually, across the ELECTORAL COLLEGE board, Hillary DIANE Clinton does slightly better than Barack HUSSEIN Obama (although both are losing to John SIDNEY McCain):

McCain (304) vs. Clinton (203)

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/Apr02.html

McCain (324) vs. Obama (205)

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/Apr02.html

OK you are clearly one of the crazies I was talking about - yes, JakeD, there is a mass conspiracy against whatever candidate you support...

JakeD: As I said, we already know who the candidates are and what issues they stand for. However, it is not to say that I haven't voted for independent or republican candidates in the past or in the future! As an independent, I have more of a problem with our limited choices because of our two-party system but this time I am voting democrat - doesn't make me one FOREVER!

sydneyg77:

You probably believe that the Law School has not been in contact with the Obama campaign re: said statement or has any incentive to cover up for Obama's lie, right?

Yawn. Obama actually outperforms Clinton overall in general election numbers across the board. By cherry-picking a few states and saying that is how things will be during the general election is just absurd. Haven't you noticed Obama has been in the lead for almost 2 weeks in the Gallup polls?

The gains she has had are based mostly on her own negative attacks on Obama, not on anything McCain or Republicans are doing.

edwcory --

He's their senator and they'd like to have a friend in the whitewhouse.

Their press release doesn't change the fact that he wasn't a professor.

I'm a Ph.D., but I've learned not to call myself Dr. in the wrong situations because people would assume I'm an MD.

He knew exactly what he was doing and why it was wrong to do so.

Their press release doesn't change the fact that he intentionally misled people.

Dictionary.com "Word of the Day" on April 27, 2003.

statement released by UC law school:

The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer." From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

I had to reply to the last few posts!

"ou·tré" adj. Highly unconventional; eccentric or bizarre.

[French, from Old French, defeated, past participle of outrer, to pass someone,

from outre, beyond, from Latin ultrā; see al-1 in Indo-European roots.]

sydneyg77:

"I will PROUDLY vote for whomever is the democratic nominee."

Spoken like a true Independent.

ANY poll showing Obama leading is just silly. It means they called Obama's headquarters and got the telephone numbers of Obama supporters and called them. She leads in a big way. And in an election, even 10 points is a big lead. We saw this same crazy stuff showing up in the Ohio polls. And we knew then that it was wrong. This is the same old thing. New place, old tricks.

"Obama was a part-time lecturer, not a tenured professor or even tenure track assistant or associate professor."
Posted by: svreader

Your obsession is pretty outre. The University of Chicago released the following statement a couple of days ago:

"The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer." From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track."

I am sick of this election. Today's elections are nothing more than marketing campaigns with ad slicks, sound bytes and catch