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Clinton Team Exudes Confidence About Pa. Outcome

By Anne E. Kornblut
SCRANTON, Pa. -- Clinton campaign advisers, exuding confidence on the eve of the Pennsylvania primary, said a defeat here on Tuesday for Sen. Barack Obama will raise new doubts about his ability to win the general election.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton herself had seemed to settle the question of Obama's electability during a debate the previous week. Facing mounting anxiety among Democrats that she would rather destroy the eventual nominee than withdraw from the race, Clinton said three times -- "yes, yes, yes" -- during the Philadelphia debate that Obama could defeat Sen. John McCain in November if he won the nomination.

On Monday, however, Clinton aides held a conference call to discuss the stakes in the Pennsylvania race. They flatly denied a banner headline on the Drudge Report saying the campaign has internal polling showing her 11 points ahead. Geoff Garin, the new strategist on the Clinton team, swore up and down that no such poll nor any such data exists within the campaign.

The Clinton team's hope -- its only hope, some have said -- is to use a large Clinton victory in Pennsylvania to persuade superdelegates to turn their way for fear of losing the general election. There have been a number of difficult moments for Obama in recent weeks, but no one bolt of lightning to strike him out of the race as the Clinton campaign had hoped.

"Sen. Obama in the past had serious problems winning states that Democrats need to win in order to win in November," Howard Wolfson, a senior Clinton aide, said, adding that it was states "like Florida, like Michigan, like Ohio and now in Pennsylvania."

"He is doing everything that he can to win -- not to finish closely, not to do well -- to win," Wolfson said. "He is trying to knock Sen. Clinton out of this race. He has outspent us three to one.... He has gone sharply negative. There are so many negative ads he has up that I can't even keep track of them.... If he does not win after having outspent us so dramatically," Wolfson said, it would raise "very serious questions ... about whether Sen. Obama can win the big swing states that any Democrat would have to win in November."

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Louis Valek makes some excellent points. He'd make them even better if he used lower case type.

Posted by: Colin Wright | April 22, 2008 9:27 PM

barack obama is the only leader we need now. he is the leader who will give us real hope and real change at the time we need it most. he will unite, not divide. he will bring together the spiritual and the progressive like we need. he is the best candidate for the new world and also he will bring hope to the black floks and they will finally get to have good familys and good comuniteis and good schools like the white people get. he will help the african people and give them eduation and reform and money. the african people remain true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. and obama will end the stupid white peoples war too. obama is for true hope and true change and we will win together as african peoples and the white people will finaly learn HUMILITY. OBAMA 08

Posted by: ja'quavius | April 22, 2008 12:25 PM

When Obama loses PA it will proove he can not win a big state. If Obama is the Democratic nominee, the November election will be a Republican sweep and another madman will be in the white house.

Posted by: John | April 22, 2008 9:56 AM

:))) I just read a comment that made me laugh about "Napoleon and the polls before Waterloo.." :) I understand how some Obama supporter are following such an overrated person. As a French person, antiwar and peaceful I admit that the superior candidate in this race is Hillary Clinton. I truly hope that American use their head and heart rather than following a so-called "rock star". You guys are world power for the god sake, act as one. :)

Hillary 08!

Posted by: Meg | April 21, 2008 10:04 PM

Bill has it right again...Hillary should already be the nominee by a landslide... oh yeah... face the facts bamaheads. Hillary rules!!!

By Ed O'Keefe
PITTSBURGH -- Following a rally for his wife's campaign at Market Square in Pittsburgh, former president Bill Clinton suggested his wife would already be the nominee -- if she were running under Republican party rules.

"If we were under the Republican system, which is more like the Electoral College, she'd have a 300-delegate lead here," he said. "I mean, Senator McCain is already the nominee because they chose a system to produce that result, and we don't have a nominee here, because the Democrats chose a system that prevents that result."

Posted by: Stan | April 21, 2008 9:58 PM

Clinton beat Obama fair and square and now Obama should drop out of the race for the good of the party. When you factor in Florida and Michigan and they will be counted at the convention she wins hands down. Way to go Hillary!!!! Anyone that votes for the jew hating racist obama has not learned the lessons of the nazis and WWII...Hillary is the great hope for America...Pennsylvania is Obama's Waterloo. He outspent Hillary 3 to 1 and still could not even make it close...See ya later bama gator....ha ha!!

Posted by: Stan | April 21, 2008 9:52 PM

Presidents are not allowed to be elected.
They are elected and yes he will be elected.

Posted by: To Bang | April 21, 2008 9:40 PM

Ed, thats flipping nuts. Iran had a revolution whereby they ousted the Shah of Iran. The people overturned the government of the Shah. The Shah was put into power during a USA led coup. This coup threw out their democratically elected President in the 1950's. This coup, led by the USA was bloody, a very violent coup. The CIA then came in and trained the SAVOC, the secret police in Iran. The Iranian people lived in terror because of the USA imposed dictator. Soon after the very intelligent people revolted and threw out this man, the Shah who had gold toilet seats while the people of Iran starved, took refuge in the United States. Then the USA funded and helped Saddam Hussein in an invasion and war against Iran where millions of Iranians suffered from the biological and chemical weapons the USA helped supply them. To this day the Iranian people have done not one thing in retaliation for the bloodshed and the terror the American government has put their people and their country through for the last century. Nor have they invaded another country in centuries.
The Iranian people chose the Islamic religion in an Islamic Democracy to be their chosen form of government and rejected the politics of the west which sought to exploit their resource base and their people.
Get your facts straight ED.
All the countries around the world are following this election and Iran is not different.
Supporters of Obama do not follow the same logic as those in the Iranian revolution. Iran had an entire country who trained an evil and torturing secret police and who tried to rape their country of its resources. The Iranian people had enough and were very smart to kick the USA out of their country. And they did this in a relatively peaceful way. END OF THE LIES.

Posted by: Iranian Scholar | April 21, 2008 9:38 PM

If Obama did run as an independent(which of course we all know he will not have to) then he would still win. I think it would be great in a hypothetical way. The intelligent peacemaker for the people against the two war mongering blubber mouths.

Posted by: Me | April 21, 2008 9:22 PM

Does anybody really think that Mr. Obama with his "hate whitey" wife and pastor will ever be allowed to be elected as the next President of the United States!!??

Posted by: BANG 30.06 Mr.Obama | April 21, 2008 9:12 PM

Does anybody really think that Mr. Obama with his "hate whitey" wife and pastor will ever be allowed to be elected as the next President of the United States!!??

Posted by: BANG 30.06 Mr.Obama | April 21, 2008 9:12 PM

Does RADICAL Hard LEFT Liberal mean anything to you voters? Does an endorsement from Hamas mean anything? Keep in mind obama is ready and willing to spend anything to buy your vote including moving a new flock of fresh voters into the state in time to register and vote on Tuesday.

You aren't getting new resgistered voters you are getting the moving circus that is happily PAID to move-in just in time to vote for obama everywhere that circus goes. They vote for him in every state they can get away with it and looks like they will get to keep voting everywhere he goes.

A vote should be tied to an individudal so that groups of people can't keep moving from state ot state and keep falsifying the vote.

Change is what is obama claims he is all about. He wants to CHANGE DEMOCRACY. Thos ewho vote for that do so at everyone elses expense. It will likely be an obamanation's Dictatorship!

Anything obama wants as long as it benefits his friends and punishes everyone else that is not on his team.

You know CHANGE is what they wanted in IRAQ and I guess they got it.

I'll stick with the known plausibility of Peace & Prosperity over the vague suppositions of a radical change movement.

But then I'm only upset that Georgy Porgy has made the white house his private war club. I'm not disgruntled about everything and everyone as the obamanots are.

I'd like to bring things back to that earlier "reality" not throw out our democracy.

OH by the way what makes obama so sure that Hilary will be the same old politics like Bill, and why exactly is that bad if she simply improves on the great job Bill did?

Since obama was not raised in the USA he has no real allegiance to this country and certainly does not understand homegrown patriotism.

One more thing... everyone I know claims that the kitchen sink accusation by obama about Hilary is blantantly sexist. But then most of what he says is treason too, if anyone is listening. Guess he hopes no one will notice.

He is an obvious front runner only because the MEDIA are BEING PAID very well to suggest it and ram it down your throat if need be. HOPE you like what you get if we are all UNLUCKY enough to be subjected to the radicalization of our democratic principles.

Posted by: Rose | April 21, 2008 7:38 PM

Even if Hillary Clinton wins the Pennsylvania primary, where will she get the money to continue with her campaign? She's a million dollars in debt right now, and we've read press reports about her smaller vendors getting stiffed. What happens when she and her retinue arrive at the Widgetville Holiday Inn and the receptionist says "Sorry--you'll need to pay cash up front" or, worse yet, "We've been asked to cut up your credit card"?

Posted by: Durant Imboden | April 21, 2008 7:10 PM

To end the race now will insure that McCain gets in office. Obama only has half (if even that considering he won caucuses) of the Democrates for him. The Democrates need everyone to win but Obama has already made it so that we will lose Florida and Michigan to the Republicans. Are we sure that Obama isn't working for the Republicans? Or is it that he justs like to deprive people of their right to vote? Considering he took that privilage away from Illinois when he ran for Senate, I think he is a little too much of a Dictator for me. It kills me to have to vote Republican in November but I will to do my best to prevent him from getting into office. If you hang with crooks- that makes you a crook also. If you hang with hateful people- that makes you hateful also. He has been caught doing this too many times for me to turn my back and give him the benefit of the doubt. He is not the white sheep among his friends giving them advice. Well...maybe I am wrong about the advice part. Did you see this?
http://tinyurl.com/2zwwte

Posted by: Debra | April 21, 2008 6:22 PM

@jacksmith

Great. Thanks for the Bill Clinton history lesson. One detail you seem to forget is the he is not the one running for president. You do mention that Hillary attempted health care reform but you conveniently forget to mention that it was RIPPED TO SHREDS by the republicans. Now, she is walking hand in hand with the insurance companies. Besides health care, Bill Clinton was president almost a decade ago. Things are different now. Just because he was good for the country then doesn't mean that he, sorry, I mean Hillary is good for the country now.

Posted by: against the fear mongers | April 21, 2008 6:20 PM

ApostasyUSA, you should re-read the comment above again by ED. Here- I will copy it here for you.

I was born in a country whose name you all know. A country that was being run be a dictator we didn't like. We wanted change. We wanted hope. And then...A man appeared out of the blue and said "I am going to change this country. I will bring hope to all the people forgotten by the government. I will make all of you happy." He spoke the language we understood. He "inspired", and boy did he do that well.

And so we believed him. Even though he had no experience, we believed him. Even though he was linked to terrorists, we believed him. Even though his associates had said many bad things about our beloved country, we believed him. Why? Because we wanted change, and were after any kind of change as long as it came under the premise of "hope."

That country's name is Iran. And the person's name was "Khomeini". Today in Iran, the government is celebrating the rise of Obama. Go read the online newspapers written in English. They call him "Mr. Hossien"

Is Obama Khomeini? Of course not. But Obamamania in 2008's USA is following the same logic and reasons as Khomeini-mania did in Iran's 1978.

Obama? Not for me. I've been there before, and seen that. And I am never willing to play Russian Roulette with the future of my country once again, which now is USA. But this is a democracy, and we can correct mistakes. In this case we are over correcting the Bush mistake, and will have to wait another 4 or 8 years to correct the over-correction we're about to make by electing Obama.

In the mean time, I will always love USA. Democracy is the most precious gift god has given us, and if the will of people wants Obama over Hillary, we all have to accept it, and respect it. And keeping my fingers crossed for a big win by Hillary tomorrow.

Posted by: Ed | April 21, 2008 4:38 PM

Posted by: Debra | April 21, 2008 6:10 PM

Nazcalito,

Thanks for that bit of information. Hopefully one of the news outlets will be looking for upsets in those counties.

Posted by: Blake | April 21, 2008 5:44 PM

Please PEN DEMOCRATS End this we are getting tired of this. Lets have a battle with the republicans. Obama vs Mccain. Shut Hillary's mouth once and for all for the entire country!

Posted by: Please | April 21, 2008 5:43 PM

Debra

Can we say: Propaganda?

Maybe you didn't get the memo.....but this is the age of information............enuendo and propaganda is no longer usefull psyops tools.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | April 21, 2008 5:39 PM

note:

the election will be run on "100% faith-based, Direct Recording Electronic (DRE, usually touch-screen or push-button) e-voting machines ..."

"Even if the machines boot-up and "work" as expected, she worries there may not be enough of them to serve the voters. The result may be long lines and voters turned away..."

"Sixteen PA counties will use the same Diebold Accuvote TS touch-screen systems found easily susceptible to a viral hack by a team at Princeton University in the Summer of 2006. They found that an entire county election could be flipped, undetected, if inappropriate access is gained to just one single voting machine..."

(The other counties use Sequoia and ESS machines)

source: http://www.bradblog.com

Posted by: Nazcalito | April 21, 2008 5:36 PM

Blake

"Let me try and follow Wolfson's logic here... "

GREAT POINTS! Never really thought of it that way.....

I'm tired of this "electability" thing.....

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | April 21, 2008 5:35 PM

Obama said this:

"To the special interests who've been setting the agenda in Washington for far too long, to all the forces of division and distraction that have stopped us from making progress for the American people, I've got one question -- Do you smell what Barack is cooking?"

I like his attitude!!!

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | April 21, 2008 5:32 PM

I can't wait. I can't wait to see this Pennsylvania election nails the coffin. It will happen. I cannot wait... It is about time. People will voice their resounding vote. I cannot wait.

We need to get to work fixing the country. The country broken so successfully by Bush and Cheney.

Posted by: Hew S | April 21, 2008 5:30 PM

Let me try and follow Wolfson's logic here... Obama was down 20 points in PA just a few weeks ago, he's still down 5 or 6 points and Paul Wolfson has the "audacity" to say that if he loses, that would raise serious questions about his electability?

Just a few weeks ago, the media, the pundits, even Gov. Ed Rendell agreed that Hillary HAS to win by at least 15 points and it was widely accepted that Obama could not win there... its amazing how they move those goalposts. Its like you didn't even notice.

Hillary must've never played sports... I can see her being the one to nonchalantly lift the volleyball net as her opponent sets up for a spike... she would be the first bowler to declare victory after picking up 10 spares to her opponents 10 strikes because hey "they both knocked down all the pins"... she would be the first to say that the referee had something against her personally because he wouldn't let them go into overtime with her being behind just a few points.

Ahh... I need humor. Almost there.

Posted by: Blake | April 21, 2008 5:27 PM

jacksmith- Loved it. You should submit it for publication.

Posted by: Debra | April 21, 2008 4:57 PM

But this is what you Obama supporters said before Ohio and Texas. What's up with you lefties, you are not going to win the Presidency from the left. You can only win from the center - that's history.

Posted by: Jay | April 21, 2008 4:48 PM

I was born in a country whose name you all know. A country that was being run be a dictator we didn't like. We wanted change. We wanted hope. And then...A man appeared out of the blue and said "I am going to change this country. I will bring hope to all the people forgotten by the government. I will make all of you happy." He spoke the language we understood. He "inspired", and boy did he do that well.

And so we believed him. Even though he had no experience, we believed him. Even though he was linked to terrorists, we believed him. Even though his associates had said many bad things about our beloved country, we believed him. Why? Because we wanted change, and were after any kind of change as long as it came under the premise of "hope."

That country's name is Iran. And the person's name was "Khomeini". Today in Iran, the government is celebrating the rise of Obama. Go read the online newspapers written in English. They call him "Mr. Hossien"

Is Obama Khomeini? Of course not. But Obamamania in 2008's USA is following the same logic and reasons as Khomeini-mania did in Iran's 1978.

Obama? Not for me. I've been there before, and seen that. And I am never willing to play Russian Roulette with the future of my country once again, which now is USA. But this is a democracy, and we can correct mistakes. In this case we are over correcting the Bush mistake, and will have to wait another 4 or 8 years to correct the over-correction we're about to make by electing Obama.

In the mean time, I will always love USA. Democracy is the most precious gift god has given us, and if the will of people wants Obama over Hillary, we all have to accept it, and respect it. And keeping my fingers crossed for a big win by Hillary tomorrow.

Posted by: Ed | April 21, 2008 4:38 PM

The 6 final Pennsylvania polls released today show numbers that are all over the place, with very little consistency in results and trendlines. It looks like it will all come down to which groups turn out. FUll analysis: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2008/04/in-good-afternoon-clinton-adds.html

Posted by: Daniel | April 21, 2008 4:12 PM

Obama. Change we can pretend to beleive in because it comes from a guy who seems really cook and disinfrancised millions of voters in Michigan and Florida. Change we can beleive in because he played dirty politics in Chicago to make sure he eliminated all his opponents to get into the Senate without a single person getting to vote for who they wanted. Yep. He ran away with that election. Yes we can, cheat and lie our way into a nomination. Yes I can lie that my associations with numerous shady crooked people doesn't reflect on, or involve me in any way. One, two, no three bad people so far. How many crooks or hate mongers do you have to know before people stop believing the kind of change he really wants is going to be something they also want. Pig in a polk. Thats what we will all get if Obama is nominated. Michigan and Florida will go Republican. Obama insured that by not letting their votes get counted. Dean will be up on charges after the election for tampering with the vote and trying to influence the election. Who do you think he is voting for. Gee, I would really have to be dumb not to guess that one. Especially since he appointed 3 Obama supporters under him. What we don't know is that the average donation for Obama is $99.00 but really 90% of the people donated 25.00 and the rest is from crooks like Rezko who Obama owes for his home and who was largly responsible for getting Obama his current job. What do you want to bet that if elected that Obama will pardon Rezko. Obama has gotten caught in so many lies. What about the guy he said who lives in his neighborhood but supposedly he barely knows? Obama knows him really well and has even given him large sums of money!. Funny, that now he says he doesn't know him!. Lies lies and more lies. Clinton believes in equality. Obama plays the race card. Gets all the black voters to think they should vote for him because he is black and blacks should stand up for blacks. What about standing up for the best person for the job? Doesn't seem to matter. Obama is cool, Obama isn't boring. Cool kid on the block. If, and that is a big if, Obama gets elected then we will spend millions on prosecuting him for all the crap he is hiding along with his associations with all the crooked characters he loves to hang with. Thats not a threat. its a guarantee and the Republicans will be leading the prosecution just like they tried to throw everything under the sun at the Clintons when Bill was in office. The Republicans are samking their lips to get at him. Easy tartget.

Posted by: Debra | April 21, 2008 3:45 PM

When all the stupid stuff of this election is gone, McCain will be our President as we go into this depression! Goodbye America. McCain will keep us on this free fall that Bush has us in now. If you want a crash landing voting for McCain or Hillary will give you what you ask for; America, a third world nation.

Posted by: | April 21, 2008 3:44 PM

Just because he can win, it does not mean that he WILL win. Clinton's comment is being twisted to fit the media anti-Clinton sentiment.

Look at Kerry and other candidates, they were electable and 'can win', but they did not win because they could not fight with the republic's machine. Obama will join Kerry as those democrats who lost the White house race when it was supposed to be a win for the democrats.

Posted by: vote4thebest | April 21, 2008 3:41 PM

Don't fall for republican tricks. It been a long-time strategy of the republican party to get people to vote against their economic interest (Democratic), by muddy up the water with "value issues." The government doesn't control values; they determine economic issues. Unless you're a millionaire, vote Obama. Clinton is corrupted by special interests. The middle class desperately needs a swing in their direction.

Posted by: Thagan | April 21, 2008 3:40 PM

MY FELLOW "BITTER", STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE :-)

If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of "BITTER"!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don't die from. And I could go on, and on...

Posted by: jacksmith | April 21, 2008 3:35 PM

It doesn't matter who you want to win!! The Democratic Party is in the process of self-destruction!

Senator John McCain, who was not very popular a few months ago, is gaining the respect of people who are exhausted by the self-mutilation that's occurring within the Party! Independents, Republicans and Democrats are beginning to indicate their frustration with Senator Clinton and Senator Obama. This frustration also includes the superdelegates that have not chosen between Senator Clinton or Senator Obama for fear their decision could result in negative responses by those they represent.

If Senator McCain has any awareness of what is happening, he should continue to focus of issues, and allow all the room in the world for the continued voter distrust for Senator Clinton or Senator Obama. To win votes from devoted supporters of Clinton or Obama, he will need to remind neutral, and avoid making negative comments on Clinton and Obama. He will have to remain focused on winning the respect of people based on real issues influencing this country.

The only way Senator Clinton or Senator Obama could unite the party after all the words are slung, and all the promises are made, is to unite together against the Republican Party. That's not likely to happen due to events during the primary season. Bill Clinton certainly has not helped! Most importantly, there will not be enough time to mend fences and re-establish trust with voters after the last primary in June. By that time, voter resentment will be reflected in polls across this country. Many Clinton and Obama supporters will simply select not to vote, or vote for McCain to reflect their resentment. By that time, most voters will be "turned off" and "tune in" on anything but politics.

The Democratic Party can be compared to a train running down the track without anyone at the control panel!

Posted by: timetothink | April 21, 2008 3:29 PM

Go Hillary! We're behind you as long as you are drinking those shots of whiskey because that is the only time it seems like you are not old, tired and boring. If you are drunk when making your speeches all of your supporters can understand what you are talking about.

Posted by: Jim | April 21, 2008 3:05 PM

Go Hillary - we r behind you.. Score a huge win and wipe that smirk off Obamas face. Hethinks hes so smart giving you the finger and talking down to us good people in Pa. He's a scumbag

Posted by: jimbo | April 21, 2008 2:54 PM

Hillary by 7-8 just what Rendell said. Trading in the Iowa Market has not been volatile so a surprise either way is not likely.

Richard Scaife, the man that helped get background information on Mr Clinton for his impeachment came out for Hillary. That member of the "vast Right wing conspiracy" that Mrs Clinton talked about in the 90"s supports her because of her "experience". Tell you something about who the right wing wants.

I feel quite confident that Obama will win if the nomination process ends in June if not I'll stick with Obama but I think the Democrats will be sunk by the Clintons, no matter who gets the nomination.

Posted by: Ron M | April 21, 2008 2:53 PM

Everyone should vote for McCain in the general election because he will give all of our young people a job fighting in his never ending war. This will cut down on employment here in America because so many will be fighting overseas.

Posted by: Jim | April 21, 2008 2:52 PM

"YES YES YES"

WE


CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Obama'08. Change. We. Can. Believe. In.

Posted by: MG | April 21, 2008 2:44 PM

Clinton will carry PA. The Dem superdelegates (and the delusional Obama worshipers) think if Clinton drops out, Obama will take November? Man, you'll all be in for huge (and nasty) surprises. Granted that it's good to have new blood coming in to the political process, but Obama won't win without the older voters and the working-class whites. And Obama has consistently demonstrated that he's unable to win them over. The longer he is exposed (and there are 7 long months between now and Nov), the more vulnerable he would look (and he's looking SOOOO shaky in the latest ABC debate in PA). Obama will not hold up to even the slightest scrutiny of the GOP machine. Dem is going to lose if Obama is the nominee

Posted by: tiddle | April 21, 2008 2:40 PM

Let's face the fact that Hillary has lost. She keeps moving the bar trying to figure out a way to steal the nomination. No matter what happens in Pa. she will move the bar again. She's a loser that doesn't know when to quit. Poor Hillary! Try crying again to make the soap opera crowd feel sorry for you.

Posted by: | April 21, 2008 2:39 PM

I am voting for Bozo the clown this November.

Posted by: Dork | April 21, 2008 2:37 PM

Are you actually calling Barack Obama the underdog. Hillary had her name, that's it. So stop saying that she should have taken this by storm with a respectable candidate like Barack. The fact is, Barack is not a closer; and he can't end for Hillary because they are much closer than people like to forget, especially Obama supporters who want to give him the nomination like he deserves it. No one deserves it; its a fight to the finish, and Obama, with everything that he has now, the media, millions of dollars, and the most ardent supporters, still can not close the deal. That is more telling of him than her.

Posted by: Sarah | April 21, 2008 2:36 PM

They're confident that they can move the goalposts without anyone knowing. First it was, "We'll show the country that we can trounce Obama in PA. His other wins don't really count, we'll win by 15-20 points and then all the super delegates will see th light and support ME"!

Now if she barely holds on, she's even further from being able to win, and yet she'll move the goalposts and claim victory. Sorry Hillary, the numbers don't lie. More states, more delegates, more contributers, more money, more enthusiastic supporters, less baggage.

Step down Hillary and let's get on with the business of saving America from any more years of Republican rule.

Posted by: thebob.bob | April 21, 2008 2:30 PM

Unless she wins by 25% it doesn't matter. I don't need my president to be someone I have a beer with, or do shots with, but I really want the president to be able to do math problems.

She is wasting the party's time and money and only hurting her and her husband's legacy.

Whether you like him or not, Obama beat Clinton fair and square. He's what the party has. Let's start working to make him the best candidate we can field.

Isn't the point to beat McCain?

This party needs all its active and passionate members if we are going to hve a chance at both winning in November and doing it strong enough to effect change.

Posted by: Irene | April 21, 2008 2:26 PM

LOUIS VALEK, you are interesting, your racism and jealousy is blinding. Your hated of the Senator, has already been there from the beginning, all you need to do is not vote for him. Instead vote for the people who don't tell you the truth and who will say whatever to get elected, this decribes both Clinton and Mccain, you need to wake up, if you don't care about having a leader who you don't think is lying all the time (Hillary), then you should just vote for her and keep your idoit opinions to yourself.

Posted by: la82 | April 21, 2008 2:23 PM

A letter from Michael Moore:

Monday, April 21st, 2008
My Vote's for Obama (if I could vote) ...by Michael Moore

Friends,

I don't get to vote for President this primary season. I live in Michigan. The party leaders (both here and in D.C.) couldn't get their act together, and thus our votes will not be counted.

So, if you live in Pennsylvania, can you do me a favor? Will you please cast my vote -- and yours -- on Tuesday for Senator Barack Obama?

I haven't spoken publicly 'til now as to who I would vote for, primarily for two reasons: 1) Who cares?; and 2) I (and most people I know) don't give a rat's ass whose name is on the ballot in November, as long as there's a picture of JFK and FDR riding a donkey at the top of the ballot, and the word "Democratic" next to the candidate's name.

Seriously, I know so many people who don't care if the name under the Big "D" is Dancer, Prancer, Clinton or Blitzen. It can be Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Barry Obama or the Dalai Lama.

Well, that sounded good last year, but over the past two months, the actions and words of Hillary Clinton have gone from being merely disappointing to downright disgusting. I guess the debate last week was the final straw. I've watched Senator Clinton and her husband play this game of appealing to the worst side of white people, but last Wednesday, when she hurled the name "Farrakhan" out of nowhere, well that's when the silly season came to an early end for me. She said the "F" word to scare white people, pure and simple. Of course, Obama has no connection to Farrakhan. But, according to Senator Clinton, Obama's pastor does -- AND the "church bulletin" once included a Los Angeles Times op-ed from some guy with Hamas! No, not the church bulletin!

This sleazy attempt to smear Obama was brilliantly explained the following night by Stephen Colbert. He pointed out that if Obama is supported by Ted Kennedy, who is Catholic, and the Catholic Church is led by a Pope who was in the Hitler Youth, that can mean only one thing: OBAMA LOVES HITLER!

Yes, Senator Clinton, that's how you sounded. Like you were nuts. Like you were a bigot stoking the fires of stupidity. How sad that I would ever have to write those words about you. You have devoted your life to good causes and good deeds. And now to throw it all away for an office you can't win unless you smear the black man so much that the superdelegates cry "Uncle (Tom)" and give it all to you.

But that can't happen. You cast your die when you voted to start this bloody war. When you did that you were like Moses who lost it for a moment and, because of that, was prohibited from entering the Promised Land.

How sad for a country that wanted to see the first woman elected to the White House. That day will come -- but it won't be you. We'll have to wait for the current Democratic governor of Kansas to run in 2016 (you read it here first!).

There are those who say Obama isn't ready, or he's voted wrong on this or that. But that's looking at the trees and not the forest. What we are witnessing is not just a candidate but a profound, massive public movement for change. My endorsement is more for Obama The Movement than it is for Obama the candidate.

That is not to take anything away from this exceptional man. But what's going on is bigger than him at this point, and that's a good thing for the country. Because, when he wins in November, that Obama Movement is going to have to stay alert and active. Corporate America is not going to give up their hold on our government just because we say so. President Obama is going to need a nation of millions to stand behind him.

I know some of you will say, 'Mike, what have the Democrats done to deserve our vote?' That's a damn good question. In November of '06, the country loudly sent a message that we wanted the war to end. Yet the Democrats have done nothing. So why should we be so eager to line up happily behind them?

I'll tell you why. Because I can't stand one more friggin' minute of this administration and the permanent, irreversible damage it has done to our people and to this world. I'm almost at the point where I don't care if the Democrats don't have a backbone or a kneebone or a thought in their dizzy little heads. Just as long as their name ain't "Bush" and the word "Republican" is not beside theirs on the ballot, then that's good enough for me.

I, like the majority of Americans, have been pummeled senseless for 8 long years. That's why I will join millions of citizens and stagger into the voting booth come November, like a boxer in the 12th round, all bloodied and bruised with one eye swollen shut, looking for the only thing that matters -- that big "D" on the ballot.

Don't get me wrong. I lost my rose-colored glasses a long time ago.

It's foolish to see the Democrats as anything but a nicer version of a party that exists to do the bidding of the corporate elite in this country. Any endorsement of a Democrat must be done with this acknowledgement and a hope that one day we will have a party that'll represent the people first, and laws that allow that party an equal voice.

Finally, I want to say a word about the basic decency I have seen in Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton continues to throw the Rev. Wright up in his face as part of her mission to keep stoking the fears of White America. Every time she does this I shout at the TV, "Say it, Obama! Say that when she and her husband were having marital difficulties regarding Monica Lewinsky, who did she and Bill bring to the White House for 'spiritual counseling?' THE REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT!"

But no, Obama won't throw that at her. It wouldn't be right. It wouldn't be decent. She's been through enough hurt. And so he remains silent and takes the mud she throws in his face.

That's why the crowds who come to see him are so large. That's why he'll take us down a more decent path. That's why I would vote for him if Michigan were allowed to have an election.

But the question I keep hearing is... 'can he win? Can he win in November?' In the distance we hear the siren of the death train called the Straight Talk Express. We know it's possible to hear the words "President McCain" on January 20th. We know there are still many Americans who will never vote for a black man. Hillary knows it, too. She's counting on it.

Pennsylvania, the state that gave birth to this great country, has a chance to set things right. It has not had a moment to shine like this since 1787 when our Constitution was written there. In that Constitution, they wrote that a black man or woman was only "three fifths" human. On Tuesday, the good people of Pennsylvania have a chance for redemption.

Yours,
Michael Moore

Posted by: Matt | April 21, 2008 2:23 PM

The fact that caucuses are not a true representative of the popular vote is p[roven with Texas. Clinton won the popular vote but lost the caucus and so even though so had the most popular votes there, He got the most delegates. I'm sure he doesn't care but doesn't it seem to be questionable if people ( popular vote) is really in his favor??? Will he really be able to swing those states he won through a Caucus? I'm not so sure. The general election will not be a caucus!

Posted by: debra | April 21, 2008 2:21 PM

Wolfson on CNN now saying they will win by AT LEAST 15 points.

Posted by: jason robards | April 21, 2008 2:20 PM

I already doubt if Obama could win in the general election. Most of the states he won were caucusas and they left out the older voter who wouldn't go to a caucus but would go the the general election, and absentee ballots from those in the service for instance. Also, Obama flat out did not want the votes counted in Michigan and Florida because that would have hurt him. His phylosophy is obviously to not recognise those people who don't want to vote for him. There was an article people were talking about last week how he disqualified the other candidates in his original bid for Senate. Obviously he has no respect for everyones vote being counted or democracy. He thinks he knows what is best for everyone- even if others doubt that is the case. I'm sorry Mr. Obama, but I like to make my own choice who should be president and refuse to deferr that to any one. In fact I will not vote for anyone trying to take that right away from me or anyone else. IT sort of leaves that bitter taste in my mouth. Something about it seems just not right and I have to go with my intuition on this. Only someone really bad would try to prevent someone In this case, over 1 million people)from voting for their choice for president and then try to gift wrap it in DNC rules. The DNC said it also allowed for a revote. so why did he decline to let that happen? Let me answer it for you. He does not want to see those votes counted. It will hurt him and he is trying to insure that he wins at any cost. He is also out spending Clinton but some votes can't be bought. More mature voters know that it is unwise to vote for someone who was only in the Senate one year before he had the audacity to run for President. He thinks he needs no experience to run the country. I have to disagree with that. He isn't even very good on policy. I immagine it will take him about another couple of years to really be good at it otherwise he won't know enough to know if his decisions are good ones or bad ones. No experience. Not a good choice to have that kind of power. Bush had almost no experience either. I would have to compare Obama to Bush. They both had little experience, they both have charisma. They both have tons of money. Clinton has spent her whole life trying to help people. Obama has spent his whole life running for office. Clinton knows the issues inside and out and has ways of solving the problems. She has a great healthcare plan. Obamas plan is timid and only goes half way. In fact I wonder how it will help anyone if it only helps children. Aren't children already automatically covered under Medicaid? I don't see how his plan could be better than that? He should know this. His inexperience is showing. Even McCain would be better than Obama. If you take party ties out of it then Clinton and MCCain have experience. Obama and Bush did not have experience. This is the way it will go down in history. Obama, another Bush- no experience gets elected again for a 3rd Term.

Posted by: debra | April 21, 2008 2:10 PM

We have been hearing that Clinton was going to win PA for months and months, ever since she won Ohio (but lost Texas). The difference now is that, if she wins, it could be by a much smaller margin than she was sitting on before the two candidates began to interact with the voters there. What the Clinton people won't admit when they complain about Obama outspending them, is that he is doing so because he has earned unprecedented grassroots support contributing to his campaign, and she has not. If Clinton wins in PA, regardless of the margin, the media will go along for the ride and tout this as "new life" for Clinton. It is not. It is just something that was predicted all along.

Posted by: Chouteau | April 21, 2008 2:09 PM



Interesting...... jhm



LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT:


HIS FATHER WAS A KENYAN, MOSLEM, BLACK- WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF HIS

AFRICAN 'FAMILY


HIS MOTHER IS A KANSAN, ATHIEST, WHITE - WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF HIS

KANSAN, WHITE MOTHER AND HIS WHITE


GRANDPARENTS WHO RAISED HIM?


HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER AND HIM WHEN HE WAS VERY YOUNG AND WENT

BACK TO HIS FAMILY IN KENYA.


HIS MOTHER MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MOSLEM AND TOOK HIM TO JAKARTA WHERE HE

WAS SCHOOLED IN A MOSLEM SCHOOL


HIS MOTHER RETURNED TO HAWAII AND HE WAS RAISED BY HIS WHITE KANSAN

GRANDPARENTS.


HE LATER WENT TO THE BEST HIGH DOLLAR SCHOOLS, HOW?


HE LIVES IN A $1.4 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE THAT HE ACQUIRED THROUGH A DEAL

WITH A WEALTHY FUND RAISER. HOW?


HE 'WORKED' AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO- HAS NEVER HELD A

PRODUCTIVE JOB. THE PRESIDENCY IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS POST


NOR IS IT SUBJECT TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SET ASIDES


HE ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN THE NATIONAL LEVEL WHERE

HE HAS MINIMAL EXPERIENCE


HE IS PROUD OF HIS 'AFRICAN HERITAGE' BUT IT SEEMS THAT HIS ONLY AFRICAN

CONNECTION WAS THAT HIS AFRICAN FATHER GOT A WHITE GIRL PREGNANT AND

DESERTED HER. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT SPERM CARRIED A 'CULTURAL' GENE. WHERE IS

THE PRIDE IN HIS WHITE CULTURE?


HE GOES TO A 'AFROCENTRIC' CHURCH THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND

BLAMES AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLDS PERCEIVED FAULTS


AND THEN REPEATEDLY COVERS UP FOR THE PASTOR AND THE CHURCH


HE CLAIMS THAT HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR BUT HE WANTS US TO

BELIEVE THAT HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN, RIGHT!!!


NO, I DO NOT SEE HOW HE COULD BE A UNITER AND BRING US TOGETHER,


I THINK THE HOPE IS THAT HE HOPES NO ONE WILL PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER.


Pass this around, somebody ought to wake up and see the DISASTER that

appears just over the Horizon !!!!









Posted by: LOUIS VALEK | April 21, 2008 2:09 PM

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

Hey Anne E. Kornblut isn't this the same polling firm led by former strategist Mark Penn. Penn is not being paid directly by the campaign anymore, but his firm still provide polling numbers.

When does internal reporting trump unbiased reporting? If Obama is within 6 pts of Hillary's expected win tommorrow, the media will play up the fact that Hillary's once 25-30pts lead, shows erosion of Hillary support.


Posted by: AJ, IL | April 21, 2008 2:03 PM

Posted by: | April 21, 2008 1:52 PM

(even though your own guy said: "I'm not predicting a win.")

Posted by: | April 21, 2008 1:52 PM

tydicea:

Don't Stop Believing!!!

Posted by: | April 21, 2008 1:50 PM

What Democrats NEED to know is,if the Super delegates choose Sen. Clinton will Sen. Obama run as an Independent and,if not,will Clinton? If either one runs Independent the undeniable result is victory for McCain, Karl Rove style by splitting the Democratic Party. Will someone (Media,Campaigners,etc..) PLEASE ask Clinton and Obama to pledge,for the good of our nation, that the loser will NOT run Independent..... WE NEED TO KNOW!!!!!

Posted by: | April 21, 2008 1:44 PM

Last post should read 'polls were not being done then.'

Posted by: tydicea | April 21, 2008 1:43 PM

A person wrote:Napoleon was not ahead in every, single poll done before Waterloo.

That's only because polls were being done then. But hey, I have to believe after decades of voting judgment errors by PA voters, they are more savvy now.

Posted by: tydicea | April 21, 2008 1:35 PM

God bless the USA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9K0rjUvqfU


www.hillaryspeaksforme.com

Posted by: max | April 21, 2008 1:34 PM

GO OPERATION CHAOS!!!

Posted by: | April 21, 2008 1:28 PM

Does Altmire (or YOU) agree with these comments:

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Posted by: | April 21, 2008 1:22 PM

Oh, good, mnjam (maybe you didn't see these questions on the earlier thread):

Is it legitimate to at least ask Altmire if he feels the same way as Obama about his own constituents? You did read that Altmire refuses to condemn Obama for his April 6 comment at a liberal San Francisco fundraiser, right?

Posted by: | April 21, 2008 1:21 PM

tydicea:

Napoleon was not ahead in every, single poll done before Waterloo ...

Posted by: | April 21, 2008 1:20 PM

PA democrats should put Hillary out of her misery, and our party too.

She had every advantage entering this nominating contest and has fallen behind due to an inept and inefficient campaign, as well as a superb campaign by Obama.

Obama is the underdog who came from behind and deserves to win.

Hillary is NOT a scrappy underdog. She is the latest in a long line of overdog-losers, who took victory for granted, in the history of Presidential politics.

Enough already

Posted by: mnjam | April 21, 2008 1:19 PM

I am sure Napoleon's troops exuded confidence as they prepared to meet Wellington at Waterloo.

Posted by: tydicea | April 21, 2008 1:17 PM

Well, of course, "yes, yes, yes" pigs can fly too (just as soon as the Earth stops spinning ; )

Posted by: | April 21, 2008 1:06 PM

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