The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

Senator Obama had a press release saying that he had voted for the Stimulus Package. When you check the Congressional records he did not vote for it. So what gives?

I use to support Obama until I started to review voting records and policies of all candidates. I'd switched to Hillary because I believe she has been supporting and verbally speaking about what she believes in for a longer time. Her policies to stand out further than Obama's and McCain's. From UHC to Economic policies. Just last fall, Obama supported the gas tax relief so why has he flipped flopped. All candidates have lied , yet for some reason, the "rock star" image Huffpo has created for Obama clouds by not reporting his lies. At first hand, I was able to see what Republicans have been talking about; the liberal media. However, I believe their are radical liberal and conservative media out there. The media never plays fair and is always biased. Anyway, I can see how ppl have view Obama supporters as being rude. I see it first hand when I support my candidate (Hillary) by holding up signs and cheering her on to by passers. We get a few of fingers and F bombs from the Obama supporters but never McCain. How I know they are O supporters? After the rude gestures, we (our crowd) receives support O following the acts. Mind you, my children partake in these Hoot and Hollers throughout KY. These supporters lack moral judgement when flipping off my minor children (10 - 16).

It is so sad to read all the sewage above showing how Democrats will savage each other rather than focus on the real opponents, the Republicans. For the UMPTEENTH time, if you think that either an Obama administration OR a Clinton one would be worse than a McCain one one. You people are delusional . . . BHO and HRC are very similar on policy, and that, along with defeating the Dubya-McCain crowd to actually get to govern, is what really matters. Suck it up, hold your nose even, but vote Democratic in the fall (and don't sit on your hands!) or instead of holding your nose and clicking your tongue about Jeremiah Wright or Monica Lewinsky, you'll be PUKING as the McCain and his bunch continue Dubya's policies and keep our country on its presently ruinous course.
Lord have MERCY! Are your political attention spans so short you can't see the big picture???

I suppose it is difficult for those supporters of Sen. Obama to be courteous and simply say, "Hillary, you put up a good fight in PA and you won. Now on to Indiana."

But no, you have to be sore losers. Maybe Hillary won't end up winning the nomination, and if not, will you smirk then, too?

I only know this, If Sen. Obama is the Democratic nominee, he will not win the election. Too many people will vote against him because he has not demonstrated any real leadership. He gives great speeches and makes you feel good, but where is the substance - where's the meat? Hope and feeling good are not going to solve the major problems we now face today. Hard work and experience will.

I do believe there are a lot of people who now have 'buyers remorse' over voting for Sen. Obama in the earlier primaries. It's not too late to let your super delegates know how you want them to vote if you have changed your minds.

Tell them if they want a victory in November, VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON!

Obama played the race card first. Then came Rev. Wright and Michelle Obama's comments. There should be no race consideration at all. Obama's campaign should have thought before injecting it in the race before South Carolina, Iowa and Massachusetts, not after.

Once spoken, words cannot be taken back. And Rev. Wright's and Michelle Obama's words will always be remembered and echo on and on.

Sheri--I agree with you. If people actually LISTEN (instead of emotionally over-react) to the small soundbites that the media repeatedly played of Rev. Wright -- what can you dispute with regard to content? The media and unfortunately many people who have never heard a Black preacher or grassrots Black speaker speak were taken aback simply by the tone of Rev. Wrights speeches. I have been to numerous churches and can testify that the "most segregated hour in American life" is indeed on Sunday morning. For the most part, Whites worship together, Blacks worship togther, Hipanics worship together. I attribute group worship to culture not "race." There are distinct and pronounced differences in the way Blacks and Whites worship -- and I think a lot of the negative press around Wright was a reaction of simply not understanding Black culture and Black preaching styles. Period. (Plus it is unusual for a preacher, Black or White, to actually dissect the myths about America that we are indoctrinated to never question or critically assess in our eduational system) A Black man with his voice raised who seems to be "angry" automatically translates into "Oh-my-God-he-hates-white-people." When he spoke of the wrong doings of *AMERICA* -- many WHITES felt like "America" equals White Americans. Wrong. I take offense to that. Americas are multi-racial. I am not White and I am an American. So why did whites think that just because he said America he was talking about whites? Whites do not own the American label. Wright was speaking of the policies and decisions of our government around the world -- the GOVERNMENT -- not White or Black Americans. I challenge you to READ the text of what he said and tell me what is inaccurate? I challenge you to show me when he ever uttered the phrase "White people". He never did. He said "America." As far as I can see Iraq has never nuked anyone. Which western country has the most amassed "weapons of mass destruction?" Which country in the Middle East has the most "weapons of mass destruction?" Not Iraq. Not Iran. Don't stone me for not stepping in line, but I'm pretty sure Israel has the most nuclear weapons in the Middle East. Why are only the "responsble" Western counties allowed to have nuclear weapons and only the "responsible" western countries allowed to *determine* and *control* who has weapons around the world? Anyone who has actually studied America's actions will see that we support dictators when it is in our capitalist interest and we topple others when it's not. As long as the president says we are fighting for so-called "freedom" and "democracy", Americans, like sheep, blindly follow and allow the goverment to wage war on INNOCENT people (and for the Republicans out there: our BOMBS kill non-American babies, UNBORN babies and children). BTW, Hillary makes me sick. So does Bill. She is clearly a political con-artist who believes this presidency is her entitlement. I believe that people who hate Obama will find any reason not to vote fo him. I loyally support Obama until the end and think that if Hillary becomes president, it will not be good for America. She sounds like the mini-me of Rush Limbaugh. Also, I do not agree with all of Barack's views: I don't have to be a zombie to suport someone's candidacy. YES WE CAN AND YES WE WILL!!!!!!!!!!

It occurs to me that portions of Barak's coalition, much like losing sports teams that finally make the playoffs, would be satisfied with just the nomination. The first AA nominee would obviously be groundbreaking.

I think some people have lost site of the fact that this is a race for the presidency.

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"No, that's not representative of all of her supporters: but it was enough to provide most of her victory margin tonight."

You're an idiot, and Obama supporters like you are why his meteoric rise has slowed. Hillary Clinton would be just as good a president as Obama. There isn't a racist bone in Clinton's body.

Bill Clinton was considered by many "the first black Prez" because of his work helping minorities all through his two terms - two terms of fantastic economic growth, two terms that left the world enthralled with Clinton's presidency.

How all of you weird rednecks have become Obama supporters - and I say rednecks, because who else spews hating lies about someone one inch away in policies from your own candidate? - while sounding like you'd prefer McCain to Clinton shows how little you've learned from your own candidate.

Grow up. You're why we've had George "War Criminal" Bush as president for eight years.

Great job Hillary! She did a great job for a candidate who is short on money and racking up the bills. She won in a stronghold wee she has had roots for 0ver 15 years. Talk about perfect timing. In the right primary at the right time.

She knows where her strongholds are and she is playing her hand perfectly.

Obama! NICE Job! He cut into a huge lead and kept his lead just out of touch. His speech was on point and he showed great calm and determination.

He knows this is an all state race and he is running a near perfect effort.

Both candidates are making this an exciting an educational experience for all of America.

Bravo to both of them!

Obama 08'

And this is why the Obama campaign which started off with so much hope as a campaign that could appeal to and attract a broad coalition has become such a disappointment. The Ohio and Pennsylvania demographics indicate more and more than Obama has extraordinary appeal among African Americans, among the intelligensia and the young, but that coalition is not enough to win. It is enough to lose badly.
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It amazes me how few people have figured this out. Barack's coalition is the traditional group that gets the Dems blown out in general elections. Why people think it's so different this time is beyond me. Toss in the fact that Obama's race causes more uncertainty and the outcome is a crap shoot. This election is setting up as the "perfect storm" for republicans.

Drop the identity politics Hispana.

For a while there you almost came across as mature civic-minded AMERICAN.

Fight ALL crudeness, all "groupism", all hero-worship, all abuse-of-power.

Nvermind waking America about hispanic population/power.

Hispana makes a great point. The demographics now are that African Americans constitute 12.3% of the population and Hispanics or Latinos make up 12.5%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census%2C_2000
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Beiruti,

The 12.5 % figure did not cover many counts of the total Hispanic population, which is not counted accurately because of language barrier. This is approximating now 20% of the total population.

Barack Obama did NOT flip Hillary Clinton off. He operates at a much higher level than that. He was merely relieving his face of an itch.
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Yeah, everbody uses their flippin bird finger to scratch their face......perfectly normal thing to do.
Obamabots need to go eat some more of those brain peas.

Posted by: xantiphi | April 23, 2008 9:39 PM
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Agreed with you. Obama is revealing himself to be an arrogant and inmature individual. Who would believe that he was scratching his face? Is this the intelligent and best candidate for the Presidency of the USA? What is he running for? To become a Comedian? That could be what he is only qualified for. It shows TOTAL LACK OF POLITICAL SAVVY!!!!!

Hispana makes a great point. The demographics now are that African Americans constitute 12.3% of the population and Hispanics or Latinos make up 12.5%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census%2C_2000

This is why African Americans must make themselves part of a coalition in order to access power, as do Latinos, neither access power on their own. The Democratic Party has been the party of the big tent where demographic coalitions are put together whereby minorities can and do access power.

And this is why the Obama campaign which started off with so much hope as a campaign that could appeal to and attract a broad coalition has become such a disappointment. The Ohio and Pennsylvania demographics indicate more and more than Obama has extraordinary appeal among African Americans, among the intelligensia and the young, but that coalition is not enough to win. It is enough to lose badly.

Margaret of Harrisburg, PA :

What a way to deliver a very nice truth to these ignorant adolescents who really lack so much about the realities of our country. Arrogance is a sin and evidently a lot of guidance has been missing here. I agree 100% with your point about Pennsylvania, state that I visit often. I would not vote for Obama because I don't see any truth in his capabilities, maturity or preparation to lead this country.

Comments by Beiruti:

And this is being done to the Super Delegates under the implicit threat that if they do not go with Obama, the African American vote will stay home in the Fall. Sort of political blackmail, isn't it?

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Are people forgetting that the black population does not constitute any longer the largest minority group in this country? The Census information shows that Hispanics represent since 2000 the largest minority group in America. Most Hispanics that are legal citizens vote Democrat and in this election they are voting for Hillary. Unlike others, they are loyal to their candidate and would be a reliable source to Hillary in the GE. So, this threat holds no power any longer. Those are the old days. Wake up America!!!

What a surprise, Obama supporters calling people who don't worship Obama like they do racist and then tearing down Hillary. These type of Obama supporters are the reason why 25% of Clinton supporters won't vote for Obama and 18% will just stay home. Obama supporters are tearing about the Democratic party.

Is it just me or does Obama' speechs now sound like a broken record? Hope and Change, blah, blah, blah blah, this guy wouldn't have won more than a handful of states if black people didn't vote...to me that's reverse racism...if white people did that to you guys, you'd all be crying for yet another 100 years.

Fact is that neither Obama nor Clinton will win the nomination at the close of the Democratic Primary/Caucus process. Even if Obama won all of the rest of the delegates, he comes up short, so he needs super delegates as much as does Clinton.

Here's your problem. Already the Republicans are showing ads that tie Rev. Jeremiah Wright and his GD America sermon around Obama's neck.

Is it fair to do that? No. Was it fair to Swift Boat Kerry? No, but that was done too and cost Kerry the election too. Despite Obama's protestations of "foul" to the Republican ad, JFK once said, "Life is not fair".

In this ad, two Democratic members of Congress from North Carolina who have endorsed Obama were asked if they endorse what the preacher said and would they stand by it as Obama stands by his preacher.

This is tough stuff.

As I said, if Obama is the Democratic Standard Bearer it will only be if the Democratic Party Elders make the conscious decision to give it to him.

Rev. Wright, who is now around Obama's neck will be tied tightly around the neck of the Democratic Party which will become dubbed the Party of GD America. The Party will not be able to hide behind the faceless primary voter or caucus goer in naming Obama the nominee of the Party. They have to make the conscious decision to take on this man's personal baggage as that of the Party and all candidates up and down the ballots in every county, congressional district and state where the Party has a real chance for a break through to make significant majorities in the House and Senate.

What the Democratic Super Delegates are presented with is a demand to all drink the Obama Kool Aid and to commit mass political suicide. Tapping this guy with this baggage is nothing less than mass political suicide.

And this is being done to the Super Delegates under the implicit threat that if they do not go with Obama, the African American vote will stay home in the Fall. Sort of political blackmail, isn't it?

If the Democratic Super Delegates are spineless enough to drink the Hemlock, and they will be, Obama will be the nominee, the Democratic Standard bearer. Obama will bring out a record number of African American votes and young people's votes. McCain will take 70% of every other democraphic and with that, he will take the White House.

That is the end game you know. Do any of you think that Obama's endless fount of money is from people like you and me?? The press stories are out that he has bundlers with catagories just like W had in 2000 and 2004. Obama is being used to plow the field, knock out Clinton so as to pave the way for their real choice, John McCain.

And all of you Obamaniacs are unwittingly playing the exact role chosen for you to help the corporatists who fought Clinton from January 21, 1993 to January 21, 2001, kill the next Clinton Administration in the crib. To do what the Republican attack machine has never been able to do.

Obama is being promoted for one reason and one reason only, to kill Clinton and then to die himself.

Democrats wake up. America, wake up.

I don't know about anyone else here, but is Obama' speechs beginning to sound like a broken record? It keeps spinning, "Hope" and "Change" Blah, blah, blah, blah, Hey listen everyone, hope and change is all well and good, but he has yet to acutally use or tell any of us another important word that begins with "H", "How"? As in How is he going to implement this change? He's all talk and no action and no plans to even speak of. Obama needs to deliver his sermons in a Baptist Church pulpit somewhere down South instead of of a campaign podium...the rest of America isn't buying it anymore. VOTE HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT IN 2008!

Barack Obama did NOT flip Hillary Clinton off. He operates at a much higher level than that. He was merely relieving his face of an itch.
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Yeah, everbody uses their flippin bird finger to scratch their face......perfectly normal thing to do.
Obamabots need to go eat some more of those brain peas.

Hopelessly Single Women with Two Dozen Cats for Hillary!
"Men" Who Are Useless With Tools for Hillary!

>>We have 3 major universities in Indiana: Notre Dame, Purdue, and Indiana University. We also have Dave Letterman's alma matter, Ball State University, together with Vincennes University, Earlham College, Butler University, DePauw, and University of Indianapolis (to name the bigger ones).

Sure, we got our share of knuckle draggers in Indiana, but I suspect we have far less of them than they do in Pennsylvania.

Posted by: IndianaGreen | April 22, 2008 11:54 PM

Has it occurred to the Obama supporters who feel the need to slur the voters of Pennsylvania as ignorant racist rubes that if, as seems likely, Barack Obama is the Democratic Party nominee that, come November, he might actually need Pennsylvania's 21 Electoral College votes? While I am sure, Indiana Green, that Indiana, where my younger niece was born, has an excellent system of higher education, Pennsylvania has an outstanding one, including, but not limited to Bryn Mawr College, Swarthmore College, Penn State University (which now includes both a law school and a medical school), Dickinson College, Carnegie-Mellon University (a world-wide leader in computers and higher mathematics as well as a drama school attended by Steven Bochko and most of the cast of "Hill Street Blues") the University of Pittsburgh (including a law school and the UP Medical Center, including Children's Hospital and Presbyterian Hospital which has done pioneering work in organ transplants), the entire State System of Higher Education, Drexel University, Villanova University, Duquesne University, St. Vincent University, and the great-granddaddy of them all, the University of Pennsylvania, an Ivy League School and founded by Benjamin Franklin in 1750.

I voted for Clinton, but, I cannot see any circumstances that would lead me to do anything that would contribute to John McCain becoming president. If the party choses Obama, then I will cheerfully support and vote for him because, while I prefer Clinton, I think either one of them would be far better for the country than 4 to 8 more years of Republican presidential rule. I have no patience for fervent supporters of either Clinton or Obama who threaten to stay home on November 4 or, even worse, vote for McCain, if their candidate is not chosen. That reminds me far too much of Ralph Nader claiming in 2000 that there was no meaningful difference between Bush and Gore. Is there anyone but Nader and his most ardent supporters left who doesn't believe that these last 8 years would have been very different if Gore were President? As for the next 4 to 8 years, if nothing else, remember Justice John Paul Stevens is not immortal. Whoever is elected will influence the US Supreme Court for decades by his or her nominee(s).

Rough, even brutal campaigns, are more common than not in US election history. This campaign will only snatch defeat from the jaws of victory if supporters of whichever candidate does not get the nomination can't put injured feelings and the desire for revenge aside and support the party's nominee

Pennsylvania Democrats have spoken (including Mayor Nutter of Philadelphia who supported Clinton) and Clinton carried 60 out of 67 counties, from the aptly named Forest and Elk Counties to the urban counties like Allegheny, Erie, Montgomery, and Lackawanna. However, if the Democratic voters of Indiana choose Obama, I hope we Pennsylvania knuckledraggers will treat your choice with more courtesy and respect than you do ours.

It is so remarkable that RACIST becomes the excuse whenever the Obama team loses a contest. And yet they argue that they have a campaign above the frey in all of these matters. I guess they cannot admit that for all of the money used and TV commercials they did not get the expected results. With Pennsylvania we see Obama limiting the population that is voting for him and it is self-inflicted due to the Rev. Wright issues, William Ayers, Auchi, Rezco, the commentaries on the Pennsylvania folks and the poor performance on the debates. So, the list keeps growing and the american people are tallying. Why doesn't he realize that he is not connecting with America's heartland?

The latest is the accusations on Hillary's TV ad where she portrays leadership as a qualification for President and now she is a fearmongerer because she used an image of Obama. What is it that this team and the media run and cry wolf every time their little idol is not looked at favorably? Is this the candidate that is expected to show strength of character which is at a minimum required for a candidate to be President? Instead we have Obama surfacing as a cry baby. This is certainly making a dent in the eyes of the people as for President we know that this individual must show some true grit and determination.

Unfortunately, that is the end result of a candidate that gets pushed without finding out the truth about his character!!!

Left Coast Mike....I left that dirty, racist, shameless, redneck, Arian Nation Pennsylvania state 9 years ago! I too, was reminded last night why I left. The state is FILLED with gun toting, lynch 'em while you can...uneducated, rural hateful rednecks.....With the exception of Philadelphia..... I am soooo glad that I left a state that is dictated to by rich politicians such as Ed Rendell.....Pennslyvania doesn't have any CLASSS...

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Quite typical of your bunch to resort to insults when you do not have an argument. Pennsylvania is a beautiful state with beautiful people and it is up to each one of us to get the best out of each other. But if you are full of hatred all the time, that is what you would get in return.

Every place we go we could encounter a bit of everything including racism, but we have to learn to face this with a positive face and help ourselves crossing bridges and helping others to change their view. I guess I am still optimistic about what this beautiful country offers. The responsibility is on each one of us!!!

"The thing is, it's all come down to this: if you're an aging, uneducated racist who distrusts "smart" people, and you've somehow remained a registered Democrat instead of making the normal migration to the GOP, have we got a primary candidate for you--Hillary Clinton--and the long-ago leftist firebrand from Wellesley College is glad as heck for your vote. No, that's not representative of all of her supporters: but it was enough to provide most of her victory margin tonight."

all obama's supporters do is tear people down, call them names, insult their intelligenc, their religiousity, their interest in preserving constitutional rights that obama-supporters do not agree with.

so its obvious that he is a phony, a black guy who is, a mediocre orator by black standards, with a most liberal in the senate voting record.

the black john kerry

whoop-de-damn-doo

im voting for mccain, or hilliary (at least she tough)

I have just been reading through all of the posts and just learned that counting Florida and Michigan, with this big win yesterday, Hilary is now in the overall lead with the general vote and delegates.

Of course the Michigan and Florida vote must be counted, as it would be just criminal to cheat like Bush did in Florida again.

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If she doesn't surpass with Florida and Michigan she is very close now and that is why it is so important that if this race is to be considered fair and legitimate that a resolution is done about these states. If these votes cannot be counted then the DNC owes the people of these states a RE-VOTE primary election and it is doable.

Denying this would be seen as Dean, pundits favoring only Obama. So, if the party is ready to comit political suicide, be my guest.

Brian Clarke:

Very good commentary as opposed to the trash that we are seeing here.

I have just been reading through all of the posts and just learned that counting Florida and Michigan, with this big win yesterday, Hilary is now in the overall lead with the general vote and delegates.

Of course the Michigan and Florida vote must be counted, as it would be just criminal to cheat like Bush did in Florida again.

It is so remarkable that RACIST becomes the excuse whenever the Obama team loses a contest. And yet they argue that they have a campaign above the frey in all of these matters. I guess they cannot admit that for all of the money used and TV commercials they did not get the expected results. With Pennsylvania we see Obama limiting the population that is voting for him and it is self-inflicted due to the Rev. Wright issues, William Ayers, Auchi, Rezco, the commentaries on the Pennsylvania folks and the poor performance on the debates. So, the list keeps growing and the american people are tallying. Why doesn't he realize that he is not connecting with America's heartland?

The latest is the accusations on Hillary's TV ad where she portrays leadership as a qualification for President and now she is a fearmongerer because she used an image of Obama. What is it that this team and the media run and cry wolf every time their little idol is not looked at favorably? Is this the candidate that is expected to show strength of character which is at a minimum required for a candidate to be President? Instead we have Obama surfacing as a cry baby. This is certainly making a dent in the eyes of the people as for President we know that this individual must show some true grit and determination.

Unfortunately, that is the end result of a candidate that gets pushed without finding out the truth about his character!!!

The same Old people doing the same Old thing. Liars & cheaters. I guess the only way the Clinton's can beat Obama is to gang up on him. Let's see Hillary had everyone in her family except for the dog running against Obama. (6-1) That would be fair??? I quess it would be better to have a Liar in the White House, who is ducking bullets, complains about being asked the first questions, doesn't wear a flag pin that says "Made in China", is never asked to give a detailed police report of everyone that she has served on a board with, can't control her own husband but expects to control the country, and oh yeah says she wouldn't belong to Rev White church, but when asked refused to discuss her church. Wait, does she even go to church???

The same Old people doing the same Old thing. Liars & cheaters. I guess the only way the Clinton's can beat Obama is to gang up on him. Let's see Hillary had everyone in her family except for the dog running against Obama. (6-1) That would be fair??? I quess it would be better to have a Liar in the White House, who is ducking bullets, complains about being asked the first questions, doesn't wear a flag pin that says "Made in China", is never asked to give a detailed police report of everyone that she has served on a board with, can't control her own husband but expects to control the country, and oh yeah says she wouldn't belong to Rev White church, but when asked refused to discuss her church. Wait, does she even go to church???

Carville's recent commentary attempting to extend the J Fred Muggs chimpanzee metaphor from Bush to smear Obama is obscene. Hillary must dismiss and disavow these activities as they are only poisoning the party.

Barack Obama is a good man, but ...

Whatever has happened to this apparently old fashioned commodity of commonsense. All of this stuff about intelligent, brilliant, educated electorates is nonsense, in this virtual political reality, created by the corporate press and spin doctors in the US. Commonsense is obviously dead in American politics so lets try KISS shall we ?

Obama sounds great and after the last eight years, who in their right mind, would not want a President, to utterly change the politics of Washinton and he talks a great talk of change. Surely though anyone with experience understandss that the reality of democratic change worldwide, is painfully slow and to facilitate Obama's stated vision of change, in the current world of right wing political perceptions, nurtured by a right wing corporate media, requires significant more sophistication, than the current Obama approach. That is not to say he not a President of the future but as Henry Ford once stated, the most valuable commodity on the face of this earth, is 'Experience'. Hilary Clinton has served a long hard apprenticeship, in the harsh reality of grinding out the political change possible with democratic politics.

The Clinton's main strength has always been, that they can read better than most, where the centre ground is and capture it. Republicans have recognized this and will never forgive the Clintons for recapturing the blue collar middle ground back from Reagan republicans. It is Republicans, who have thrown the kitchen sink at the Clintons to dislodge them, nevertheless they have stood the test of time and microscopic scrutiny. The US is in big, big trouble both economically and with its foreign policy, it desperately needs the Clinton experience from their last tenure.

The association of the name Obama with Osama is just too obvious and is a no brainer for McCain, to utterly exploit and ruthlessly brand, as the enemy of Republican brand of American patriotism. Yes, its not fair but its a definite blatant reality. If Obama supporters believe Hillary has been tough with them, it is nothing to the rain of abuse an innuendo that will morph the electorate, with their masked racist card. Yesterday was a huge win for Clinton not just because of a double digit margin but it clearly demonstrated the limitations of the Obama appeal, with a critical angry working class electorate. In fact Bill Clinton is right, examining the figures carefully it is clear that Obama's appeal does not extend much beyond the Jess Jackson appeal, who stated that makeup of the American electorate would prevent a black President. This fact of current political reality may appear racist, it is not, it is simply a blatant fact if we examine the result of yesterday.

Clinton won big yesterday and demonstrated clearly that she is at this time, the only Democrat that can take the White House. To any Democrat with a modicum of political savvy, this is now a crystal clear reality. The smart Democrats need to prepare their base support to accept Hillary Clinton as their only electable candidate in November, even if the Florida and Michigan votes have to be facilitated. Anything else for Democrats is political suicide.

Barack Obama is a good man and will make a great President after Hilary's tenure, he will have the experience and wisdom that only comes with time and maturity. If he cares enough about his vision and the plain people of America, he will have the patience and persistence, that Hilary has already clearly demonstrated, to make it a reality.

BrianClarkeNUJ

Full-fledged Elitist, ;)

Abundantly redundant prose notwithstanding, you missed the point.

I didn't call Obama dangerous. He's not. In fact, at this point its irrelevant to my case.

Its the unquestioning goose-stepping of 99% of his worshippers thats dangerous. I don't have any personal favorites in this clash, though I'm leaning towards Nader.

Can ANY obama-follower list Obama's flaws, misjudgments or wrongheaded decisions in his life? Have they BOTHERED to find out?

NO.

Therein lies the problem. Its a CULT. No amount of sophistry can refute that point. Thats what I'm against. UNQUESTIONING allegiance.

Just look at the massive assault (concerted) on ABC...for their daring to treat Obama as an adult running for the presidency. After all, he's seeking the MOST powerful office on the planet. He's not running for Mayor of Stickville, IL. Should he or shouldn't he explain his stance on all these allegations and accusations, when he and his opponent are in agreement 95% of the time on policy matters?

Or is he the messiah - a combination of Jesus/Washington/Gandhi rolled into One? Too revered to be asked tough questions?

This is why the BOTS need to be stopped. The only way to do would be vote for the strongest candidate against their savior.

She's shrewed, calculating and only fights for Hillary. I'll take a leader over that any day.

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Who is that leader you refer too? McCain would come the closest to being one. Obama is too juvenile, like giving the finger, to be a leader.
You know who started the negativity in this campaign don't you? Or have you conviently forgotten. Hint. MSNBC debate.

I have the solution for the Dem primary. The candidate get all the superdelegates in each state they won. That seems fair and makes sense. Obama has won the most states so he should be happy. Hillary has won the big states and she should be happy. Why not.

This is a story?

Hillary is a fighter, there's no doubt about that. But she's a political fighter. All her fighting is about staying in power. Did she fight for universal health care? Not enough; she lost. Did she fight to prevent the war in Iraq? Not a bit. Because at the time a "yes" vote seemed the politically savvy thing to do. When her husband had an affair and humiliated her did she fight? No, she played the good wife in hopes of running for office herself some day. She's shrewed, calculating and only fights for Hillary. I'll take a leader over that any day.

Left Coast Mike....I left that dirty, racist, shameless, redneck, Arian Nation Pennsylvania state 9 years ago! I too, was reminded last night why I left. The state is FILLED with gun toting, lynch 'em while you can...uneducated, rural hateful rednecks.....With the exception of Philadelphia..... I am soooo glad that I left a state that is dictated to by rich politicians such as Ed Rendell.....Pennslyvania doesn't have any CLASSS...
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I'll bet you didn't ruin their day either

"You dont have to support hillary to see how dangerous the Obama cult is, folks. Its going to get WORSE if there is an Obama administration. The press is already terrified to ask him ANY serious question, even before he's president. Do you think they'll dare raise their voice to him once the bots put him the W.H?"

Ah yes, that is why hundreds of Editorial Boards of major newspapers across the country have endorsed Barack Obama, this "unknown, dangerous" mystery man who is secretly plotting to destroy America. All those millions of Obama supporters are just so deluded and awestruck that they have been unable to see that Hillary The Inevitable is really the Chosen One and the only true glorious fighter who will ignore all her lobbyist donors once she is elected so that she can join in the Common Man's Struggle to fix the corrupt system in Washington. Yes, the press is SO VERY AFRAID to ask Obama the "tough" questions, so much so that they have to track down out a known disgruntled Obama-hater so that she can ask him why he won't wear a flag pin! Really, Obama needs to be interrogated by Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity because only they can truly determine if he is a Muslim Terrorist or not. They are the TRUE Patriots who we need to trust on this, especially Rush, because his many conscience-raising experiences with opiates have given him keen insights into the minds of the nefarious secret enemies of Freedom. Hannity of course had the fantastic judgement to see what a glorious leader George Bush would be!

And now a full 28% agree with him!

Responsible centrist Democrats of course must pick up on the cues of Hannity and Limbaugh in order to fight the good fight for Hillary! Why she herself, in all her great wisdom, has embraced Richard Mellon Scaife because she needs all the love she can get these days, no matter if it comes from the biggest sack of garbage ever to fund a Right Wing smear campaign against her beloved, devoted Bill!

Go Hillary, You are a real winner!

"DOWN GOES OBAMA - DOWN GOES BARRACK HUSSEIN OSAMA BIN LADEN"

Stay classy Steve! You sound like a real winner!

The posts above are more proof of what the Obamabots are capable of: INANE fanaticism

1.If you oppose Obama, you must be racist.
2. Hope can change the world, and the washington culture (read MJM's analysis above of this inane spiel) will change once president Obama takes over.
3. Even though Hillary is merely 1% behind in popular vote, an has won ALL major states except IL, she should step aside.

You dont have to support hillary to see how dangerous the Obama cult is, folks. Its going to get WORSE if there is an Obama administration. The press is already terrified to ask him ANY serious question, even before he's president. Do you think they'll dare raise their voice to him once the bots put him the W.H?

VOTE against fanaticism.

Vote for the best possible candidate who can stop the bots. Its THAT important. The foundations of a representative, raucous republic (yes! America is great beCAUSE its a raucous democracy..not becuase people are "working together") are being shaken by this PC fascism.

When politicians "work together", expect TYRANNY. Or are you now questioning the very concept of checks and balances in the const. ? All three brancehs should "work together" eh?

STOP the bots.

Bill has always been baggage ... Hilliary seems a better campaigner and will make a better president - I think ... Then there is Bill??!! What will he be doing in the White House when she is busy leading the country? He sank Al Gore - He platooned John Kerry and he is blowing holes in his own legacy in the country and in the Democratic Party. Others will treat him (unfairly) they way they treat Carter. This will be the last Democratic Convention he will attend. The super delegates are stacked and have been stacked for a long time for Hilliary. Not the Governor of New Mexico - what happened there?

I'd just like to state one fact for the record:

It is not impossible for Hillary to clinch the nomination. HOWEVER, it is impossible for her to do so while respecting the will of the majority of primary voters (and their elected pledged delegates).

Effectively pulling a Florida 2000 on our own party.

That is known as a Pyrrhic victory. It will signal to the majority of Democratic primary voters that their votes do not count. And that is the wrong message to send, especially after the hell George has put us through over the last 8 years.

Up to you . . .

Better yet ... it changes with the circumstances!

Embarassed posted:
"I'm truly embarrassed for the racist bigots that put down Barack Obama simply because he's a Black Man."

As far as I understand, he is also a White Man, or isn't he? I am not that good at genetics but I guess the Prophet's color changes with the seasons!

There is nothing in Obamas senate record that suggests he has worked with republicans to get any legislation passed. So how can you suggest he will unite the country.Hillary has the core democratic vote, all I read from Obama supporters is the accusation that if you don't support barack obama you are racist, bigoted or stupid. Maybe those voters can see past Obamas empty words of change and hope and look at his actions and his voting record.He spent record amounts of money, most of the msm is supporting him and Hillary still beat him, if you look at all the states that required to win the presidency hillary beats mccain. mccain is even tied with obama in massachussets.If you complain about hillary going after obama wait until the republicans start. the us needs a fighter as president not an inexperienced senator

Those Pennsylvania voters must have really been bitter!
Does Obama have a second act of more substance to Change and Yes WE Can? The PA primary shows that he has a hard time in communicating to white working class people which were key to Reagan and Bill Clinton victories. Otherwise I fear he's another Dukakis.

And why won't he let the voters of Michigan and Florida have their say? He seems to win only in caucus states where his elitist activists can bambozzle people

why isn't AMERICA fighting back against it's own dictatorship ???

they are busy trying to "get by,"

look at the empty factories

look at customer service overseas

look at computer jobs, overseas

look at medical jobs going overseas

look at foreigners controlling formally AMERICAN countries and making decisions based upon what is best for their "families," while not considering what is best for AMERICA at all...

globalization ???

sure if you consider MAFIA a governing body

bushCO and CRONYs und families is ~= mafia

"~=" means is "approximately equal to"

give it up for ORGANIZED CRIME, that is what bushCO and CRONYs are...

.EXAMPLEs:
1. Scooter Libby

2. IRAN CONTRA in the whitehouse

3. bush family collusion w/nazis, with no repurcussion...teaching the children that treason is alright as long as no one prosecutes.

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SEARCH on GEORGE WALKER, PRESCOTT BUSH, bush crime family, nazis

why isn't AMERICA fighting back against it's own dictatorship ???

they are busy trying to "get by,"

look at the empty factories

look at customer service overseas

look at computer jobs, overseas

look at medical jobs going overseas

look at foreigners controlling formally AMERICAN countries and making decisions based upon what is best for their "families," while not considering what is best for AMERICA at all...

globalization ???

sure if you consider MAFIA a governing body

bushCO and CRONYs und families is ~= mafia

"~=" means is "approximately equal to"

give it up for ORGANIZED CRIME, that is what bushCO and CRONYs are...

.EXAMPLEs:
1. Scooter Libby

2. IRAN CONTRA in the whitehouse

3. bush family collusion w/nazis, with no repurcussion...teaching the children that treason is alright as long as no one prosecutes.

.

As nasty and awful as Dick Cheney is, I don't even think HE would throw his grandmother under the bus like that nasty, no-class Obama did! Sheesh! THAT IS A DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT? ARE YOU SURE OBAMA IS NOT A REPUBLICAN? SOMEONE WHO SNICKERS AT HIS OPPONENT AND EXPLOITS HIS GRANDMOTHER TO MAKE A DECEPTIVE STATEMENT ABOUT RACE-CALLING HIS GRANDMOTHER A RACIST WHEN SHE WAS ANYTHING BUT?

Hey, the coke-snorter people hater Obama HAS GOT TO GO AND MAKE IT QUICK, PLEASE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME TO TAKE THIS ELECTION AWAY FROM THE REPUBLICANS!

It is absolute MADNESS to think that this deceptive, remote personality Obama should be the DEMOCRATIC candidate for President! It sounds strange, but Obama is more like Dick Cheney and the Republicans than any Democratic candidate that I have seen in a long long time-he has that same flinty, thin-skinned, very nasty personality like Cheney does - no class, no class at all, and very deceptive, also like Cheney. No, we definitely don't need more of the Cheney personality type as a candidate! Heck in terms of personality alone, Pres. Bush is FAR more likable a character than that messed up head trip Obama!

Hillary is entitled to stay in the race as long as she wants, it is her call. But, to any one who wants to cash on electability: Since when we Democrates are good at predicting electability, have we in the last eight years ?

We the people put Bill Clinton in the White house for two terms, now We the people want to put another candidate we believe is capable in the White house and the Clintons are telling us : you cant !

President Bill and Senator Hillary, we took a chance on you, you turned out to be just fine. Don't tell the people they should not take a chance on another fellow democrat they want.

This is to all Hillary Supporters who were somehow energized by her win last night in Pennsylvania - She Can't Win The Nomination and She Can't Win the Presidency. There is already a strategy in place, if Hillary underhandedly steals the nomination, that will permanently fracture the Democratic Party and insure a loss in Nov 08.

DOWN GOES OBAMA - DOWN GOES BARRACK HUSSEIN OSAMA BIN LADEN

Funny to read that Obama wins the popular vote for 800,000. Looks like somebody forgot to count Florida and Michigan wins for Hillary, which gives her the winning number in popular vote. Besides, we know that Hillary is the fighter with solutions, the smart woman that can beat McCain in November. She has the experience, the knowledge of "know how", she is a hard working person who will work for us and not like the Obamas (he and Michelle), that are planning in showing her with beautiful and flashy clothes (she dreams to be seen like Jacqueline Kennedy). Hillary uses her brain and dresses accordingly for the job to be done. Go girl, go Hillary!!! All the way to the White House!!! We vote for you in November!!

Posted by: Ana L. | April 23, 2008 1:24 AM

Ana L. get a clue! That is the most ridiculous post I have read. Maybe you have heard about the Florida and Michigan primaries? You know, the one's where the Democratic National Committee threatened to not count their votes if they moved their primaries up in the primary schedule. Well, Obama, Clinton and all the other candidates agreed that this was the right thing to do, so they agreed beforehand that the votes and delegates wouldn't count. Clinton somehow forgot to have her name removed from the ballot in Michigan, so hers was the only name on the ballot that people could vote for. In Florida, all campaigns agreed that since the vote didn't count, no one would campaign there.
Now that you have the facts, do you still think it is fair to count the vote totals in Fl. and Mich? What would your answer be to that question if Obama had won both states?... I thought so!
And dissing Michele Obama because she wears nice dresses? How Petty!

That's right, who WOULD really want to have SUCH a deceptive personality as Obama in the White House huh? Doesn't anyone else remember Richard M. Nixon? That's Obama allright, Obama with all that power of the Presidency? Are people serious, with that kind of deceptive, coke-snorting personality of his? OH MY GOD, the idea gives me chills, someone like that with all that power, someone who had a crazy racist hatemonger like Rev. Wright as his life long spiritual advisor! Really, have people THOUGHT about this seriously, giving someone like this the power of the Presidency, someone completely unfamiliar with Washington, with power politics as it is played in Washington and on the world stage?

One can say or think whatever about GW Bush, but he was governor of a state with a larger GNP than several European countries, plus the fact that his family was in politics his whole life! You'd have to be nuts to want to put the lives of 300 million people in the hands of such a raw beginner, but also someone who's personality is just SO off-putting; arrogant, haughty, remote-OBAMA DOES NOT LIKE PEOPLE, NOT REALLY! How can you be a successful President with a personality like this? It's madness to even THINK Obama should be the Dem. candidate!

BKP,
I do admit, I am rather young so all I remember of politics is the end of Clinton's term and Bush's. All I've seen is that tough positions and arm twisting leads to deadlock. It doesn't get anything done and it leads people to stop listening to what their opponents have to say.

I will give her this, Clinton is a Fighter. Unfortunately I feel like she, and most of Washington, have lost sight of what they are fighting for. Their goal has become to fight and defeat the republicans, or if they are republicans the democrats. I think that seeing the republicans as the opponent is fine but once they become, "The Enemy", once you start dehumanizing them, then you just blinded yourself to all other options.

I think Obama is the only candidate to really understand that the president leads all Americans, not just their party, not just those in the states that voted for them. It's the president's job to put the good of the country first, not their own ideology. If that means accepting half a loaf, of having to bend your neck and get half of what you wanted, then that's what you have to do.

I think Obama would get healthcare past. It might not be the best healthcare but it would be something. I believe Clinton would try for the best healthcare, her healthcare, or not healthcare at all.

Actually, when all the Children Rallying around Barack Hussein realized they had WASTED their Food, Beer, and "Party Supply" Money on a LOSER;

They were heard going:

BOO-Hoo,

WAAAaaaaaAAAAHHHHHHH! :-o

BARACK OBAMA...THE REAL NOMINEE OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!

He should NEVER give in to this WITCH! He has far too many people who believe in him and his message. If the Clintons STEAL this nomination the Democrat Party can write off ALL their elections for at least a generation. I promise I will spend my last days on this earth doing all I can to DESTROY what passes for a political party. I will engage my friends, family and concerned strangers to assist me. If she wins by getting the most delegates...more power to her. I will hold my nose and vote for her. But if ONE RULE IS BROKEN to accomodate her ...IT"S ON!!!!!

LYING, CHEATING, STEALING...DOES NOT A PRESIDENT MAKE!

OBAMA...2008!

GO HILLARY-ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE-YOU HAVE ENDURED SO MUCH, SO MUCH EVIL AND SLANDER FROM THAT IMMATURE, OUTRAGEOUSLY NASTY, NOT TO MENTION DECEPTIVE, OBAMA AND HIS ARROGANCE ARE ENOUGH TO MAKE ONE PUKE! PLEASE, SOMEONE, TAKE HIM AWAY! HE'S CAPABLE OF GREAT GREAT EVIL, BECAUSE HE IS SO DECEPTIVE!

Forget these losers ... Bloomberg for President.

As a black man supporting the Clintons - I hopped off the deperation wagon when the last ad came out just before PA that had the names Osama and Obama in the same add.

Nice I thought ... such nastiness ... is not just the work of swiftboaters ... I am sick of this type of politics!!

heh heh heh...

http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=1985

Iraq of Bush and Cheney

by a Turk, Abdel Wahab Badrakhan

Tuesday , 21 March 2006

On the third anniversary marking the start of War on Iraq, and after all what happened since the occupation, it is yet to be known if another people is willing to hand in its fate to the US soliciting liberation from a blood-thirsty dictator, only to cast it into the mazes of a fierce civil war. It is true that the sway of Saddam's governance created an apparent "stability," a seemingly "unified" country, as well as a people more incline to "secular" behavior, also apparently.

However, the architects of the invasion and occupation considered the possibility of using "the positive fundamentals" of the previous regime; they rather relied thereon as encouraging elements for war.

Once the invaders arrived to Baghdad and overthrew the regime and its statues, they started to destroy everything, the State, the Army, and the institutions (except for the part related to oil).

The occupation authority ended up standing on the ruins of a country, to the extend of uprooting police centers even in regions where it was not even present.

There was no one left to call in case of emergency.

this is what the world sees, a bushCO und CRONERStag

_________O_C_C_U_P_A_T_I_O_N___________

hey Katie Kouric, get your head out of Georges but...

.

.

WHY WOULD GEORGIE WORGIE DO SUCH A THING ????

destroy an entire country, and it's infrastructure ??? cast 4,000,000 REFUGEES into other countries....

LISTEN CLOSELY: people just trying to survive, don't fight back...

they let themselves be told what their choices are....and they don't contest them...thier lives are hanging by a string as it is...they don't need no fricking "liberation," they need food, water, clothing, electricity, a job

and the bad guys to disappear...

who is gbooksdc ???

he's a liar, a sellor of genocide, a defamer of gentlemen and women and a dishonest slug...otherwise known as a re pukelicking conner

one of "them,"

he nicely demonstrates the tacky tick of using a description of what he is doing and applying it outwardsly to try and claim that it is being done to him...

it's really Karls only twick....

just another republick conning tactic...

is to take a truth that is being used to out them and reapply it to the persons pointing out their dishonesty...

such as the use of the term Clintonistas...

the original form of it was Contras then Zionistas

and before that GERMAN NAZIS using it as a term to for Salvadorans who were being trained to block socializaiton from occuring in Central America....they used the term "freedom fighters,"

and they were fighting against people obtaining freedom...just as the Patriot ACT repeals the Bill of Rights...there is no patriotism in the patriot act...

FURTHER ON:

what is the CURRENT PROBLEM with

Government CONTRACTORS....

bushCO and CRONYs don't want to be responsible to anyone, want to make a lot of money and don't want to be questioned or liable....

Halliburton moving to DUBIA, help you to understand something?????

OCCUPATION OF IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN are _ILLEGAL_ actions...

if there were a real conflict on, instead of a manufactured one...there would probably be a draft....

bushCO and CRONYs are doing this:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

-- Dwight D. Eisenhower in a letter to his brother Edgar, November 8, 1954

in fact the HUNT Bros. mofos from TEXAS are part and parcel of

bushCO and CRONYS....

oversight? bushCO and CRONYs don't want no M.Fing oversight...

anyone saying different is part of bushCO and CRONYs or a M.F.ing liar, that needs his next asignment to be

Ft. Levinworth or San Quentin....

what is the problem with mercenaries????

they don't report to the people that pay them,

the PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, those are my tax dollars

pin day holes.

.

Yes Gooch, mothers always think of the children that will die as the result of war and they also consider the effect of hideous weapons like cluster bombs and nukes.

Too bad Hillary voted for the war in Iraq and against a ban on cluster bombs. She thinks it would be okay to "obliterate" Iran- not a term to be tossed around lightly.

Her heart is in the right place because she has a uterus? Give me a break.

what did BILL Clinton do wrong ????

why has his family endured 16 years of endless denigration ????

he made bushCO and CRONYs aka INSIDER WASHINTON "look bad," but they already were "bad."

the President of Chile' was assassinated in Washington D.C. while George H.W. Bush was head of the CIA....after the CIA received 3 seperate warnings that said it would happen in Washington D.C. nothing was done to prevent it...

killing someone, defaming someone's character, propagating lies as the truth is what bushCO and CRONYs do...

they are ORGANIZED CRIME.

not white collar crime, these boys couldn't make money unless they commit crimes.

we're not talking "a part of," their activities, we're talking, _IT'S_WHAT_THEY_DO_

what are bushCO and CRONYies ????

ORGANIZED CRIMINALS...

organized crime,

ORGANIZED CRIME.

ORGANIZED CRIMINALS...

organized crime,

ORGANIZED CRIME.

Obama did a wonderful job in Pennsylvania against the dirty tactics of the Clinton. The Clinton campaign continues to embellish her chances. No one is registering to vote to elect Senator Clinton and have their antics in the White House 4-8 years. Go Obama.

is to take a truth that is being used to out them and reapply it to the persons pointing out their dishonesty...

such as the use of the term Clintonistas...

the original form of it was Contras then Zionistas

and before that GERMAN NAZIS using it as a term to for Salvadorans who were being trained to block socializaiton from occuring in Central America....they used the term "freedom fighters,"

and they were fighting against people obtaining freedom...just as the Patriot ACT repeals the Bill of Rights...there is no patriotism in the patriot act...

FURTHER ON:

what is the CURRENT PROBLEM with

Government CONTRACTORS....

bushCO and CRONYs don't want to be responsible to anyone, want to make a lot of money and don't want to be questioned or liable....

Halliburton moving to DUBIA, help you to understand something?????

OCCUPATION OF IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN are _ILLEGAL_ actions...

if there were a real conflict on, instead of a manufactured one...there would probably be a draft....

bushCO and CRONYs are doing this:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

-- Dwight D. Eisenhower in a letter to his brother Edgar, November 8, 1954

in fact the HUNT Bros. mofos from TEXAS are part and parcel of

bushCO and CRONYS....

oversight? bushCO and CRONYs don't want no M.Fing oversight...

anyone saying different is part of bushCO and CRONYs or a M.F.ing liar, that needs his next asignment to be

Ft. Levinworth or San Quentin....

what is the problem with mercenaries????

they don't report to the people that pay them,

the PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, those are my tax dollars

pin day holes.

.

Has anyone noticed that the Dow Jones index, indeed the entire stock and bond markets, are all UP today? The day after Hillary took PA? Interesting no? That didn't happen with Obama, and popular opinion should be, if the markets believe in Obama as the Dem. candidate, the fact that Hillary won PA, a major delegate state, that should have brought them down. BUT IT DIDN'T-OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY OUT THERE IN BIG MONEY LAND DOESN'T HAVE MUCH FAITH IN OBAMA'S NON-EXISTENT EXPERIENCE TO LEAD THE COUNTRY-AND THE MARKETS ARE REFLECTING THEIR CONFIDENCE IN HILLARY!

And this is why the Clinton era must end. Cintonistas should be basking in their win. Instead, they're gloating over a victory over their Obamanian enemies. Obama supporters are not your enemies. McCain supporters are not your enemies. But in the Clinton worldview, you're either on their side, or you are an enemy to be destroyed personally and politically.

You cannot put together a governing coalition if you keep making enemies out of people. That is why we do not have health care now: Hillary turned potential allies on both sides of the aisle into enemies. The Clintons turned the Casey family into enemies; that's why Sen. Casey (really) endorsed Obama: it was payback.

All the Clintonistas who have backed Obama? Enemies. They don't have enough people they trust to competently staff a government if she was somehow able to be elected. And they've done so many people dirt now, they can't move forward because they have to watch their political back.

(It would be worth seeing HRC win just to watch her handle immigration reform: inaction and she angers her poor white base; action and she angers her Hispanic base. Triangulate THAT!)

The SDs endorsing Obama aren't looking at election returns so much as conduct, and they're tired of the way the Clintons campaign. That is what will finally do her in, that and the fact that the money will dry up. She can't win enough to make intelligent (there's the operative word) people overlook that she is a venal individual, devoid of scruples and with nowhere near the talent of her husband.

I'm optimistic. Carter led Reagan by 30 in August, and Reagan was vilified every kind of way imaginable (save for his race, but no one's called Obama stupid, so that's a wash). But Reagan won doubters over by his force of personality. Obama will do the same.

kevin schmidt aka kevin 1123

is in fact Karl Rove

he's a gay felloh

.and but friend of Jeff Gannon aka Dale Guckert

.I forget what Rush Limpbought's gay name is something like

dug christtie or some such foo foo thing.

.

there's no doubt the rascist sellors

here are

republick conners...

it's what they do...

demagogurery , lies , misdirection , deciet , disinformation , propaganda

they said they would try and inject chaos...

however...

what chaos does is require people to look harder...

rascism ???

who cares. people have warts too, they deal with them...

want to end rascism, end inequality

want to end inequality ???

it will never happen if the social structure of AMERICAN BLACKS families never encounters

retraining.

what do they need to be trained away from ??

segregation as an inflicted value

the enculturement of slavery aka ethnicity...

hasidic jewery isa form of ethnicity...and chosen segregation.

.

are you related to the

Nestle's dawg farfell

or are you telling us you're one of

Lucifer's followers that has fallen from grace ???

answer in 25 words or less please.

Milton's "Paradise Lost"

RACISTS, RACISTS, RACISTS!!!!!!

You are keeping our only hope and savior, Barack, from being chosen to lead us. For the thousandth time in my adult life I'm ashamed of America! How dare you mean cynics, sloths and complacents try to stop me from being the First Black Lady? I will ask Reverend Wright to damn you all this Sunday!

the Clintons

the only democrats to hold the WhiteHouse for two terms

in 60 years...

the other Democrats in the whitehouse???

JFK assassinated by FLORIDA , Bay of Pigs CIA / MAFIA types ... Texas Mafia

JIMMY CARTER....electorally assassinated by George H.W. Bush, Robert M. Gates, William Casey, Ronald Reagan....

SEARCH on October Surprise, Carter, Russian, Paris, IRAN CONTRA, Gates

TREASON...

AMERICA ?????

there is over a TRILLION DOLLARS in war profiteering and BIG OIL MONEY GOING DOWN...you don't think these people

would and have bent a few laws to keep the CLINTONS

from turning AMERICA back over to it's citizens????

no VETOES in a republican congress for 7 years...

O baaaaa baaaaaaa man gonna stop it ???

hee hee heee oooooo my...

how? he thinks by being nice and doing the chappaquidick crawl he'll be safe....

you think Teddy wasn't almost assassinated too?

and then decided to crawl his way through life?????

. backing big business interests .

maybe he drinks to keep himself from remembering, that he's the only one who gave up his ideals....

and was unwilling to die for them.

.

Perusing many of the liberal blogs that have de facto become of Obama election machinery, I am finding, based on the comments posted, that many of Obama's supporters are viciously hateful individuals. These liberal blogs universally practice censorship and will not publish your comments that are critical of the blogs. In their anti-Hillary hysteria, they create fake headlines that have no relationship with underlying stories, use all of the tactics, or even go beyond, used by the right wing swift-boaters. While I have been critical of the corporate media. However, I am thankful that people incharge of these liberal blogs do not control the media.

If Obama followers were as intelligent and educated as they claim to be, they would not rant on topics on which they have no knowledge or understanding. They would go to the internet or Public Library and look up Mr. Cone, Black Liberation Theology, and any other subjects with which they are unfamiliar before wasting everyone else's time and patience reading their ignorant tantrums. Rather than supporting Obama, their posts indicate only that they are uninformed and too lazy to correct the problem.

truly embarrassed by the

race selling homophobe selling baby killer selling patriot selling

demagogues aka CIA AGENTS ON THE TAKE aka republick conners

who constantly try to infiltrate the rational thought processes of normal AMERICANS

and sell them

a lesser truth, known as DISINFORMATION...

republick conners posing as democrats....

"embarrassed" is such a shill

a plant a liar a disavower of truth inallforms.

shut him down, find him and imprison him.

thanks AMERICA, isn't it time we took the flies out of the soup ????

disinformation is fraud, and should be prosecuted.

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Derrick - "Aging, uneducated racist? You mean like Jeremiah Wright and his bigoted followers?
Obama is nothing but a bigot who offeres nothing but bigoted semantics."

Can you make a point rather than just insult sObama? Are you suggesting Obama is responsible for Wright's comments? Or Obama believes in Wright's comments? Or are you saying Obama is not mature enough to actually listen to Wright and disagree with him?

Maybe Obama is a little bit more intelligent and mature than you are and need not make a dramatic exit out a Church to disagree with some of the Pastor's views.

Not strange at all that you and many others think this way. Especially in a country where Anna Nicole Smith's death gets more coverage than the plight of Iraqi Civilians.

that bushCO and CRONYs is going to give up

this level of skimming

w/o a fight?

up to and including subverting the rights of the citizenship ????

guess again.

you either take them all the way out, or it's not going away...

Hey george w. you look even uglier in person...curious george?????

FOAD little spinner...you need incarceration followed by somea thet death penalty you're so eager to hand out

afte ra fair trial "of course," the same kind you hand out in GITMO fella...

looking forward to the DVD HD of it

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I'm truly embarrassed for the racist bigots that put down Barack Obama simply because he's a Black Man. But he's human and he steps in his pants like you step in yours. I'm sure if he was a white man, you ignorant bigots wouldn't be spewing all of the negative garbage that's crossing your your racist lips. Racism and bigotry is alive in America and you BOZO's always feel that you have to have and do anything because you're above everyone else. Along with that is the ignorance of relating the color of one's skin with the individual, thereby stereotyping. We're all going to die, sometime or another no matter what race we are, because we're all human beings. Grow up and get over yourselves.

Quote of the Day

"You can't just trade corporate Republicans for corporate Democrats,"

Why do I think that Hilary Clinton would be a great President? It is just a simple question of nature.

It is because of mothers; my mother, your mother, all the mothers throughout the country; because of all the mothers who have ever been in this world.

It is the mothers of this world who are the cornerstones of our families, of our communities, and of our civilization. They taught us almost everything we know, and are responsible for what we are, and all that we will ever be. They smacked us on the bum when we were bad, and stood by us with unquestioned love and support as we faced our own challenges in life.

It is our mothers who did all they could to fed us when we were hungry, saw that we got the medicine we needed when we were sick, and who saw to it that we always had a warm roof over our heads.

I think Hilary Clinton would make a great leader of our country because she is a mother.

Do you think your mother, any mother would sit around and let her children go hungry? Would they allow for one moment their child to have to go without a doctor or the medicine they need? Or ever to allow them to go homeless?

Not my mother, not your mother, not any mother. And as President Hilary Clinton will have the power and resources to make sure. She will make sure.

No mother would allow her children, or any children to be sent far from home to fight a war that seems to have no purpose, and no end. She will bring our troops home as soon as humanly possible.

No mother would allow her family, her home, or her children to be threatened by anyone. You just try that and see what a mother with the resources to do something about it, does about it. Hilary will see that we are strong and safe.

Seeing the mess we men have made of things in this world I think it is high time we turn things over to a mother. I think that is just what our country and the world needs at this time. The strong hands and arms of a mother, like her.

Sorry Barack, no matter what you do you will never be a mother.

what are the MEN AND WOMEN IN IRAQ DYING AND LOSING BODY PARTS FOR??????

OIL and drug trafficking...

AND !!!,

are the United States Soldiers getting a cut, of _t_h_a_t_

____________________ M O N E Y ? _____________________no

no, they are getting their legs blown off, getting medals of honor and waiting two years to be declared disabled as they lose homes that they can't make mortgage payments on.

READ THIS:
Just as the Iran-Contra scandal evolved to include drug smuggling, the Iraq War also is closely related to drug smuggling. While the Bush regime has so far managed to keep the drug smuggling aspects of the war from reaching the media, evidence is beginning to emerge. The evidence comes largely from a former FBI translator turned whistle-blower, Sibel Edmonds. Hired to translate intercepted messages soon after 9/11 this Turkish lady first blew the whistle on the FBI for dragging its feet. She has state emphatically that she has seen documents that prove the Bush administration was fully aware of the terrorist attack before 9/11. While ATTORNEY GENERAL JOHN ASHCROFT, has imposed a gag order on her, this courageous lady has only been able to speak in generalized terms. However, she has repeatedly stated that when viewed as an international drug smuggling operation the picture becomes clear.

Sibel Edmonds has provided a huge clue in her generalized statements, a clue that points directly at the BUSH FAMILY and DICK CHENEY. Haliburton the oil services company formerly headed by CHENEY has a long history of involvement in drug smuggling and gunrunning especially through its Brown and Root subsidiary. Brown and Root also has a long history of providing cover for CIA agents. In the late 1970s Brown and Root was implicated in drug smuggling and gunrunning from oil platforms in the Gulf of Mexico built by Brown and Root and using ships owned by Brown and Root. In the 1990s Brown and Root was implicated in smuggling heroin to Europe through Russia. The heroin originated in Laos.

The Russian incident surfaced in 1995 after thieves stole sacks of heroin concealed as sugar from a rail container leased by Alfa Echo. Authorities were alerted to the problem after residents of Khabarovsk, a Siberian city became intoxicated from consuming the heroin. Alfa Echo is part of the Russian Alfa group of companies controlled by Mikhail Fridman and Pyotr Aven. The FSB, the Russian equivalent of the FBI firmly proved a solid link between Alfa Tyumen and drug smuggling. The drug smuggling route was further exposed after the Ministry of Internal Affairs raided Alfa Eko buildings and found drugs and other compromising documentation. Under Cheney's leadership of Haliburton, Brown and Root received a taxpayer insured loan through the Export-Import Bank of $292 million dollars for Brown and Root to refurbish a Siberian oil field owned by Alfa Tyumen. The Alfa Bank is also implicated in money laundering for the Colombian cocaine cartels.

THERE IS $80 BILLION IN UNRECORDED PROFITS IN THE FIRST STEP OF AFGHANI OPIUM COLLECTION, refinement...three steps later it could be worth $400 BILLION, in unrecorded profits...

think I am crazy, opinionated, uninformed??? GOOD!

prove me wrong, SEARCH ON Gary Webb, Parry, George H.W. Bush, crack cocaine, Letter of Understanding...

the letter of understanding gives the CIA permission to drug traffick without reporting/recording profits....or being held responsible for criminal prosecution during the trafficking...

that is a verifiable fact...what would you do if someone gave you the opportunity to make $342 BILLION OFF THE BOOKS????

take them down.

As an Entourage was shuffling from their Choo-Choo to their Private Jet;

a Cry was heard echoing out:

"God D' Pennsylvania!" "The KKK of PA"! ;~)

hey bodo, if big states: Oh & TX & PA were soooo easy to win, why so many dollars dumped there? For what, 3 losses??
Do democrats really want a candidate that can only win states that have OPEN caucuses and primaries? Where do you think those republicans will be in November? Behind BHO? Use what your mama gave you and think again.

Also, can we forget about counting Florida and Michigan until a FAIR ELECTION is held there? How can Clinton possibly consider counting those votes as valid when her opponent's name wasn't even on the ballot and no campaigning was permitted? If that's not undemocratic, I don't know what is.

If Florida and Michigan want to have their votes count, they should play by the rules and hold a fair election like all the other states. Those states made their beds and now they need to lie in them.

Obama has shown he has no chance of winning the General Election in the fall if he is selected as the nominee. The Super Delegates will have to decide in favor of Clinton if they want to win this election. No matter what all the Obama nuts say.

He can not win in Florida - all polls show him losing badly to McCain (by double digits). Clinton is completive with McCain there. Clinton puts Florida in play for the Democrats.

Obama is in a fight to win Ohio and Pennsylvania, and if he loses ether of those contests to McCain it's over. He has to hope for all the Clinton supporters to jump in and save him and as we have seen not too many of them are going to do so (tired of being called stupid racists I guess). Clinton beats McCain in both Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Obama and his supporters try to say that he doesn't need Ohio or Pennsylvania because he has shown he can run strong in places like Kansas, South Carolina and Mississippi. Only problem with that claim is that no Democrat has any chance of winning in those states anytime soon. In the other states in play - like VA - both he and Clinton have equal chances there. And contrary to Obama's claims these states are in play not because of the soaring rhetoric and speeches from Barack Obama, but are in play because of the horrible mess George W Bush and his Republican enablers have made of things.

The Super Delegates are supposed to decide who is the best candidate to run in the fall, who has the best chance of winning, and not to just rubber stamp the primary results. They were setup to fix the problem the Dems have had when their candidates do great running in the Primary, but them get crushed in the General Election - like Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, ...

The Dems were smart enough to know that it takes a lot more to win the General Election than just winning more votes or delegates in the primary by appealing to the hard core liberals and blacks in the party. They are also smart enough to know that these so called Caucuses that were part of the Primary are a joke and do not reflect anything except the level of fanatical support the candidates have - a level of support that does not translate into anything real in the General Election. So they will certainly discount the majority of victories Obama had in those states.

Hopefully the Super Delegates will do there job and decide "wisely". Of course this means all the Obama nuts and cry babies will just have a fit. They will all just have to get over it somehow, or not...

is there any content to your squabbling ???

any insights into why one candidate might be better than another???

or is all abouthe shill / swill / sell ????

catch a clue?

or trying to sell "a take,"

pathetic hooris

.A LITTLE RELATIONSHIP INFORMATION about Washington D.C.: you are not invisible.

American Enterprise Institute aei.org
Richard Perle, Michael Ledeen, Newt Gingrich, David Frum

Also: Project for New American Century (aka "PNAC") newamericancentury.org
William Kristol, Robert Kagan, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Michael Ledeen, Jeb Bush, Frank Gaffeny, Elliot Abrams, Thomas Donnelly, Eliot Cohen, Richard Perle, John R. Bolton, David Frum. Their infamous "Rebuilding America's Defenses" report outlined their aggressive intentions and the need for

a "new Pearl Harbor".

oh my !!!!

they wouldn't have done that would they???

what does it mean shills?

Also: Weekly Standard Magazine weeklystandard.com
Editor William Kristol hosts a whole raft of neocon writers
@1150 17th Street, NW

do you even know what is going on in your own

country and the causes of it ????

pathe tick hooris

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all these news commentaries about clinton and obama running a divisive campaign are way off! it's their supporters who are divisive. you don't have to look too far beyond these comments to find the reason why the democratic party is gonna lose in november. the large percentage of supporters who plan to vote for mc cain or stay home if their candidate isn't the nominee is staggering. regardless of who gets the nomination, you dems are shooting yourselves in the foot.

so keep on calling each other idiots, racists, uneducated, elitists...

Please, people. Do you seriously think Obama flipped Clinton the middle finger? Give it a rest.

You guys sound like Fox News viewership: willing to buy into any unsubstantiated, nonsense rumor peddled by those professional character assassins who prefer to divide and conquer rather than unite and lead.

From today's Wall Street Journal's editorial regarding the free ride Obama has gotten on the tough questions, particularly during last week's televised debate:

THANK YOU WALL STREET JOURNAL FOR PUTTING OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA-AT LEAST ONE MEDIA OUTLET SEES THAT IT DOES NO GOOD TO HIDE WHAT THIS CHARACTER OBAMA IS REALLY ABOUT!

"Mr. Obama's apparent inability to confront, forthrightly, the pastor's poisonous pronouncements and his own relationship with him is, of course, the cause of all the continuing questions on the subject. It had not been in him, for instance, to say publicly that for a pastor to have preached that the U.S. government had embarked on a project to inject blacks with AIDS was an outrage on truth and decency. He delivered a celebrated speech on race, one generally hailed as a masterwork, that was supposed to have explained it all. It was a work masterly, above all, in its evasiveness. Even its admirers, prepared to swallow his repeated resort to descriptions like "controversial" for the pastor's hate-filled rants, couldn't quite give Sen. Obama a pass when it came to his beloved white grandmother, or to the not so beloved Geraldine Ferraro, both of whom he suggested were racists in their own right."

"These issues - the unanswered, the suspect - which outraged press partisans have for days attempted to dismiss as trivia and gossip, largely forgotten by the public, are unlikely to be forgotten, either today or in the general election, nor are they trivial. This, Messrs. Gibson and Stephanopoulos clearly understood when they chose their questions. Mr. Obama's answers told far more than he or his managers wished."

"Offered a chance to explain the meaning of his remarks about the reasons people living in small towns cling to guns and religion, he went on to repeat them all over again in different words. What there was in those remarks, what attitudes shown, that had offended people, he had still not grasped. In short, what he had said that day he'd meant to say. "What you are, picks its way," as Walt Whitman told us."

Indeed it does! GET THIS GADFLY, OBAMA, THIS PURELY INVENTED CHARACTER, THIS MAN WHO'S GOT SOME SORT OF ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDER, WHO CAN'T HOLD A JOB FOR MORE THAN A FEW YEARS, CONSISTENT WITH HIS UPTIGHT, COKE-SNORTING AND LOVING PERSONALITY, THIS CLOSET RACIST-GET THIS MAN OUT OF HERE -HE IS QUITE SIMPLY UNFIT, AND HE WILL NEVER GET ELECTED BY THOSE OF US DEMS. WHO WILL CROSS AND VOTE FOR MCCAIN IF HE IS THE DEM. CANDIDATE.

Purely and simply, if that fake to the core gadfly Obama is the Dem. candidate, we DEMS. WILL REVOLT EN MASSE AND VOTE FOR MCCAIN.

Some comments on the Clinton win last night.

It was a big win. The counties northwest of Philly went Clinton which signalled a big win for her. I don't think that the Obama folks would be calling the good people of Pennsylvania low brow, gun toting ignorant racists had they done better there. Such a shame to denegrate a whole state like that. Here they had 6 weeks to campaign and Obama threw the kitchen sink in with 3-1 spending and still she wins by 9+%, well I tell you, even ignorant folks who get a message over and over again eventually get it and the Pennsylania people did and decided they didn't like what Obama was selling.

Talk about poor use of resources, Obama threw away a good portion of his resources on a state that now he says he was supposed to lose anyway, so why toss so much money at what you say now was going to be a loss anyway?

And as for Clinton's comment to "obliterate" Iran, a little context please.

The question to her was what would she do if Iran got the bomb and bombed Israel and bombed Israel. Clinton said that the American nuclear unbrella would cover any Middle Eastern state that could be threatened by an Iranian bomb. Sound nutty?

That was the American deterrent policy that won the cold war. We put our nuclear umbrella over all of Western Europe and threatened to "obliterate" the USSR if they attacked Europe.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, JFK threatened to "obliterate" the USSR if there were an attack on West Berlin. Its called nuclear deterrence.

If we did not offer to use our shield against a rogue state with the bomb, then all of the other countries so threatened would have to get a bomb of their own. It is a keystone to the nuclear non-proliferation regime that we are trying to promote that we would tell the Saudis and the rest, even the Israelis that they do not need to become nuclear and Israel needs to do away with its arsenal because the US has them all covered with our arsenal.

There is nothing wild eyed about this policy at all. In fact it is rather sane.

And as to electability, go to these sites. They are updated daily.

Electoral map if Obama v. McCain
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/Apr23.html

Electoral map if Clinton v. McCain
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/Apr23.html

Obama would win 269 electoral votes today and Clinton 289 against McCain.

Who is more electable? And look at the map, many of the states that Obama uses to justify his nomination as primary states won are states that he has no chance of carrying in the Fall election. No Democrat, in fact has a chance in many of these states, and yet he uses primary or caucus wins in such states to counter Clinton who has had primary wins in must win Democratic states.

And one more thing, if the Super Delegates go with Clinton, the MSM are characterizing this as Clinton "stealing the nomination". To steal something you must take something away from another. The raw fact is that if Obama won every last delegate through the primary process, he would still not have enough of such delegates to secure the nomination. The same is true of Clinton so that at the end of the primary/caucus process neither of them has the nomination so that neither can have the nomination stolen, or taken away by the votes of the Super Delegates.

Either of them need Super delegates to secure the 2025.

So enough of this talking head rhetoric that McCullife or Clinton are bending or changing the rules, moving goal posts and so forth to secure the nomination. The rule has been and still is, you need 2025 to secure the nomination.

Neither can get there through the primary process.

Both will need super delegate votes to get to 2025.

Who has the better case? The one who counts Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia as primary wins or the one who counts Ohio, New York, Massachussets and Pennsylvania as primary wins.

And what to do about Florida. Sure the vote does not count toward delegate allocation. But people did vote and if Obama is going to use popular vote totals as a metric, then you have to count the people who voted in Florida. This would bring his popular vote lead down to an insignificant number.

Should she drop out of the race?? The real question is should he?? I say no to both. We have process in the Democratic Party. I think it is flawed to the extent that we do not have winner take all primary contests, but this is the process, these are the rules and the process has to go forward, as long as the candidates have resources until either:
1. One gets to 2025 or
2. One runs out of resources enough to carry on the competition.

Despite 8 years of Bush, this is still America and this is our political process.