The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

Hillary Clinton using hormone therapy? I would guess. Nuke Iran, god fearing man, or women? Man you people are screwed, unless you speak out and vote. I do mean all you uneducated hicks. Sorry, but that's what the Holier and mightier than god are saying about the rest of the USA. So she wants a debate. I must ask you why? She will be the down fall of Democrats and the USA. May any God Bless the people.

neocons for Hillary,

I love your message, keep posting on this site and many others, maybe her supporters will open thier eyes, well atleast, some them anyway. Her George Bush Neocon supporters will not be swayed, but her common sense supporters will... Thanks so much your message if powerful, keep it up...

People make it seem if you dont vote for Obama you are a closet racist. I voted for Hillary and I am nowhere near a racist. I grew up in South Central Los Angeles and the majority of my friends are black. I just feel that Hillary is better on policy issues and is a better candidate in the general election. Dont make this a contest about race and make it about the issues. Every Obama supporter i debate with has limited knowledge of his policy that is different than Hillary but know he stands for change. That is so lame. DO YOUR HOMEWORK and research before you vote us into a loss in November!

Hispaa:

There's no good reason to vote for Hillary unless you want a president who constantly "misspeaks". How will you know when she's "misspeaking" and when she's telling the truth?

Go to: http://www.paulvclinton.com for a dose of the truth.

You have only to read the comments by Obama supporters which insult Hillary Clinton to understand why many Democrats will be voting for John McCain.
Party leaders, if you can ascribe that title to Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi will save the party by nominating Barack Obama and lose the White House for another eight years. Bill Clinton won the White House by moving to the center and not to the far left.

So what was that again about Bush alienating the world?

Maybe the next time you Democrats insist on their old canard about Bush being hated, they can get out a map and see who's left. Right now, they have no one, apart from a few anti-American dictators.

Democrats have hammered the Bush administration for supposedly losing allies and global standing. But a look at U.S. ties shows Bush to be a master diplomat who is strengthening U.S. relations all over.

As for me, it's McCain '08, and thank you to George W Bush - the BEST PRESIDENT OF THE USA EVER.

While McCain languished in a North Vietnamese prison cell from 1967 to 1973, Obama's friend Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground bombed NYPD headquarters in June 1970, the U.S. Capitol Building in March 1971 and the Pentagon in May 1972. McCain '08

For battle-weary Democrats, the big news out of Pennsylvania is pretty simple: Their nightmare continues.

That is why so many Democrats are praying for this divisive primary campaign to end. They sense, correctly, that the longer it goes on, the better it is for John McCain.

But how does anyone persuade the first serious African-American candidate, the leader in every relevant measure of popular support, to abandon a historic candidacy?

How does anyone persuade the first serious woman candidate, the possessor of the best brand name in Democratic politics, and a politician who has battled back from seeming defeat at least three times already, that she should quit?

The Democrats have to resolve this somehow. The longer this goes on, the greater the costs for November.

I have some news for you, Mr. Obama: There are more than 100 million of us Americans who greatly value our religion along with our liberties and patriotism. We are accomplished adults and do not like to be patronized.We stick to our guns in defense of home and hearth and freedom. That is what those 9,387 heroes' graves at Normandy American Cemetery and the more than 600,000 others around the world are all about.To you and your fellow deconstructionists, our quaint folkways are part of what is wrong with America -- and must be "changed." But to us, they are bedrock to the American creed. We and our collective forefathers have been working on it for centuries.Apparently you do not understand us -- and perhaps not America, either. We are not an embittered and failed people. Therefore, unlike your pastor, Reverend Wright, we do not ask God to damn America. Instead, we ask that He bless America and believe that He has done so. Ours is a religion of goodness, hope and ultimate success.

I love the Obama-ites and their doe-eyed innocence. The thought that such a left-wing-liberal that vows to raise taxes will be elected at a time that normal americans are feeling a pinch at the pump and worrying about their mortgage payments is laughable. You can say that the Wright comments were much ado about nothing but in reality, many americans view it as significant... obama himself called Wright his spiritual advisor and mentor. He might laugh off the Ayers connection with his assenine '8 yrs old' comment but the true question is, why, why in the hell would you even be friendly with a known, un-repentant terrorist that blew up government buildings within this country? 'The Dahli Bama' will not win the election as Reagan-Democrats like myself will either stay home or vote for McCain come November if this left leaning marxist receives the nomination.

I note that all the calculations about Sen. Obama's lead to date fail to consider that some sort of compromise for Florida and Michigan is inevitable, and thatthere are about 20 delegates controlled by John Edwards. I accept that a 50% haircut is about the best Hillary can hope for, but that would yield 50 delegates extra. She is also hoping to pick up more delegates than Obama from future contests. Give her net 30 from future primaries and 50 or so from Fla/Mich settlement, and she's just down a few.

Obama's biggest negative (aside from his arrogant disdainful demeanor)is the obnoxiousness of his supporters as they push their ridiculous contention that the messiah hath cometh.

Eight years of having to endure an obnoxious Commander in Chief is enough. Who needs eight more?

Well stop with this idea that Obama has to win OH or Floridia. If you look at the electorate, he could win the nomination if he won new mexico, colorado, nevada,and iowa. These along with the other safe blue states will get him into the white house. So when we talk about opening up the electorate, we are not just talking about somewhere like virginia .

Ugh - I just have to ask, what negative attacs did Clinton make that:

"Second, Hillary had 60% of the Black support at the beginning of primary season but has lost it as she began her negative campaigning. (Yes, you can look this up.) Blacks were torn between loyalty to the Clintons and wanting change; she helped Blacks make up their minds by her many missteps."

Asume for the sake of argument taht I do not know how to look it up. Explain to me exactly what attacks and misteps you are talking about.

And regarding the "math" there is only one thing you need to know - neither candidate will reach the 2025 threshold without the super delegates. Neither Clinton NOR Obama. Saying she can't catch up in pledged delegates is true, but if Obama doesn't get 2025 pledged delegates (not including supers) then he hasn't won either.

Super delegates represent 20 % of total delegates. They represent more delegates than CA, NY and IL combined. There is a very specific reason for this. Read this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/opinion/25ferraro.html?pagewanted=all

Please stop putting race into this campaign. Obama has been doing this the whole time. Read this article:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120536677319031953.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks

If as a white person, I don't want to vote for Obama, that does not make me a racist, stupid or any of the other things that have been bantered around in here. It means I prefer Clinton.

But I will say this, regardless of who wins this race, I vote Democrat in November. That's what matters.

While I personally fear the let down that Obama's suporters will feel when he comes down to Eearth and they find out that he is now, always has been and always will be a politician first and foremost, I would still rather take a chance on him than on McCain (whom I happen to like very much).

For me, it is all about the Supreme Court. All 3 (Obama, Clinton, McCain) are in the pockets of big business and will not nearly deliver on what they are promising, and the Democrats are promising to end the war (which is huge), and healthcare and all of the other things they are saying that I hope the will deliver on. But one thing that they can and will deliver on is putting some left leaning justices on the bench and allowing Ginsburg and Stevens - and maybe even get a crack at the Kennedy and Scalia seats.

Issues like that Patriot Act, the eminent domain rulings, the EPA rulings, the CA case about car emissions and mpg and all of the other things in front of the nation where I want a court that sides with the individual's rights against business and puts a check on government power over and control of its people - where freedom is the over-riding principle and defending the rights given to us by the Consititution of the United States.

So plese people, dial down the rhetoric. Stop calling people who support the other candidate stupid and mis-informed and delusional. Stop calling the other candidates names and lying about their records, comments, past - and stop lying about yor own candidate's, as well.

There are much bigger concerns than who is going to be mad about their candidate not winning and who is being negative or not and who is getting a free pass or not.

Don't let your own blindness to your own views and comments cast a shadow over the common goal - getting the White House back from the Republicans. And picking up 10 seats in the Senate.

If you are really that pasionate about Democrats winning, or even your Democrat winning, then remember, they need 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done of any substance. Go doate your time and money to help a Democrat win that seat. And pick up more house seats. And state houses and legislatures, and mayoships and council membership and school boards.

What the last 8 years were in the White House (and up until 2 years ago, 12 years in Congress) was the result of all the tracks laid down by Reagan and the conservatice right back beginning in 1976. That's when they went after the city councils, school boards and mayorships and built the conservative moment up from the ground.

Its not all about the White House. Get involved at the local level and start picking up those small seats. They will lead to larger ones soon. And those small seats will be very important down the road.

WV-DC - Are you for real? I can tell you for certain Virginia is a swing state, and people here are longing to see the back of Hillary. Obama clobbered Hillary here, and the Republican turnout was negligible. WHEN Obama runs against McCain in the general election, he will beat Bush III handily here.

HRC is not a leader - she behaves like a scam artist who panders to whatever audience she is speaking to, is willing to play whatever cards will get her ahead (invoking Bin Laden in a scare ad extremely similar to the Bush terrorist ad with the wolves). Haven't we seen this movie before?

Does anyone think that she would just leave those ways behind if she got elected?

Here are a few features in our national leader that SHOULD trump all other traits and issues, are in stark contrast to HRC, and are Obama trademarks:

1.) Forthcoming. Remember what this word means? Obama does. Obama gives answers without skirting the questions, daring to talk to Americans like adults, and in more than sound bites, challenges them to consider the situation in its full context.

2.) Honest. He says what he thinks despite the audience. e.g. When speaking in Detroit to a group of automakers, he was pushing much higher fuel efficiency standards and alternative fuels. And despite their lack of enthusiasm, switching to some new products may just save those companies.

3.) Leader. Leadership is not achieved simply by standing in front. Being a leader is knowing the issues, assimilating ideas, then bringing people together, and yes, inspiring them to better themselves and their country. The other campaigns discount Obama's speaking ability on a regular basis, but when someone can convey so well what it is they are thinking, it becomes impossible to believe they are making it up - contrast that Clinton, or better yet Bush.

4.) Judgement. This is the most important of all. Experience without good judgement means nothing. Dick Cheney is one of the most experienced people in our government, and his judgement is horrendous. Obama has an impressive depth of knowledge and balanced judgement. For example, his race speech spoke volumes to his understanding of such a complex situation with centuries of history.

Obama should be our next president.

It is obvious that Only Hillary Clinton can defeat John Mccain in general election because she has the potential for winning OH, PA, and FL. If Democrats can not win, at least, two of them (OH, PA, and FL) in general election, I think Democrats will lose in general election.John Mccain will be the next president of USA.

When John McNasty is sworn in, how long will it be before people start to leave? The U.S.- a place where war is loved, the economy is down a rathole, and crime surges daily with more guns and assault weapons on the street. America - a place where people are more concerned about whether a candidate wears a flag pin and if he wants to criminalize abortion, than whether the candidate can stop the surging gas prices and skyrocketing food prices. We are in serious, serious trouble, folks. The Democrats have found the formula for losing. In a year where Democrats could beat almost anyone, they figured out how to lose. Sad. I'm so tired of you, America.

IT'S TIME AMERICA:

It's time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.

Hillary Clinton seemed almost somber at her victory speech. As if part of her was hoping Obama could have defeated her. And proved he had some chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources. In all honesty. I felt some of that too.

But it is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.

Hillary Clinton say's that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Mr. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.

Mr. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Mr. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton's have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.

If Mr. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.

Sincerely

Jacksmith... Working Class :-)

Here's what I think will happen. I'm a big Obama fan btw. At the end of the primaries Obama will be up by about 100 delegates and 500,000 popular vote (not counting FL and MI). Hillary will continue to wound him and put enoug doubts in the supers minds to hold off the avalanche for Obama. She will take this all the way to the convention and whip up her supporters to not accept anything else. At that point (at the convention) I believe Obama will cut a deal with Gore for a Gore-Obama ticket to assure that Hillary will not steal the nomination. This would be easier to swallow for Hillary fans than seeing Obama win. A Gore-Obama ticket would crush McCain-Romney in a landslide and Obama could try again for Prez in 2016 (a wiser and more experienced candidate). Otherwise I see Hillary trashing him all the way and trying to making him unelectable so she can run in 2012.

Extra, Extra, read all about it!
"THE NEWS OF HILLARY'S SURVIVAL HAS BEEN
GREATLY EXAGERATED"

At least this article is more even-handed than what most of the media is putting out there.

To the disrespectable news media including principally Fox News, CNN, and ABC, here's a news headline for you:

"THE NEWS OF HILLARY'S SURVIVAL HAS BEEN GREATERLY EXAGERATED"

Obama will win NY, CA, PA convincingly. The same way McCain will carry the republican states won by Huckabee, Romney.

The Democratic race is really over. We just have Billary-Huckabee and their supporters hoping that an earthquake occurs and someone hands them the nomination. There is no mathematical path to the nomination for Billary. Her candidacy is alive, thanks to the media and people like George Stephanopoulos.

What counts in the general election in deciding who will be the next president is the electoral votes, taking into account all 50 states and DC.
If the Dem. primaries follow the electoral votes, not the current overcomplicated (pledged delegates, caucus, super-delegate) system, and the elections in FL and MI are valid, the total electoral votes sen. Clinton got will far exceeds sen. Obama by as much as 15 point and the primary will end by now with sen. Clinton as the nominee for the general election.

First off, if you think that ALL of Obama's votes have come from Blacks, you are delusional. He has support from many groups. The first state he won had a very small percentage of Blacks. Second, Hillary had 60% of the Black support at the beginning of primary season but has lost it as she began her negative campaigning. (Yes, you can look this up.) Blacks were torn between loyalty to the Clintons and wanting change; she helped Blacks make up their minds by her many missteps. Third, I want to caution Hispanic voters (yes, you Hispana) from slamming Black voters because many of the freedoms they have are due to Blacks fighting before most Hispanics started coming. You as well would be in the back of the bus and using separate fountains. Obama has yet to make an attack at Hispanics, but yet you have sat there and acted like Blacks are public enemy Number One. Fourth, if we only emphasized big states, then why do we bother with this whole process? The primary should then only include big states, and the general election should only count swing states from the prior election. Save us all time.

For 8 years, America was led by a man who wasn't aware that the exposition of certain body parts was meant only for the confines of the bedroom. The next 8 years, America was led by a man who seem to be too dyslexic to realize that the English alphabet had 26 letters, let alone have the capacity to count the WMDs in an adversary's possession. Now, America is courting two equally unprepossessing candidates for leader; one, a 71 year old, has-been army veteran, who cannot seem to make up his mind whether he is a conservative or a liberal or a hybrid, or whether he is coming or going; and the other, an inveterate liar, who is more eager to throw the kitchen sink than work with it and enjoys spinning grandiose, make-believe, bullet-ducking fairy tales against the backdrop of a foreign airstrip that even the native birds have had for some time a "safe fly zone" advisory in effect.

The Republicans are attacking Obama and holding their fire on Clinton. Only fools will not be able to figure out why. They know the Clintons can never win a general election in this country again. They would rather face Hillary.

Here is one of the many scandals the Republicans will finish the Clintons with - the Clinton terror pardon scandal

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120277819085260827.html

sorry ctop. I did not see the whole thread above. I did not mean to impugn your intelligence.

My apologies.

Please vote the Clintons for a third term. They deserve it, it is their birth rights. We have to be ruled by the Clintons or the Bushes. That is our destiny, we do not deserve any better.

We need Hillary and Bill back in the White House, so Bill can get back to work pardoning felons, and terrorists (FALN) for cash and political advantage.

Bill can also turn the White House into his meeting place for business with dubious businessmen all around the world.

The Clintons for a third term. They are ready on day one, we do not deserve any better.

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The Clintons and Bushes For President Forever Network

As I said, I understand your point. Felipe was trying to figure out why people kept saying there is a ten point spread. I was not arging the point but rather clarifying it. In reality, it is not ten points, and yes I know how to subtract...

"This is a test" -- I'd actually love to put your hypothesis to the test.

Just based on anecdotal evidence -- including the people from industry, technology, and other areas -- Obama has actually been attracting the lion's share of people who would register on the very high end of an IQ test. Lawrence Lessig, Paul Volcker, and Robert Reich are a couple big shots that jump to mind.

Now maybe you're referring to some inverted IQ test where the 10,000 year history of the world is taken as fact, and the notion that the world is round is viewed with a great degree of skepticism.

Single digits! That's so true...

ctop yes you can round it that way and you can also subtract

Clinton 54.6%
Obama 45.3%
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9.3%

That is less than a 10 point spread.

If Obama is indeed the NEW Edsel his development department has obviously learned from their mistakes the first go around. His model has broken all kinds of records in terms of new voter turnout, fundraising, and the diversity of his voting and fundraising base.

Against an "inevitable" candidate this newcomer with marginal name ID in early 2007 is now leading a party contest just one year later.

On the other hand, we have McCain and Clinton with all of their experience and advantages coming into this election cycle running like the OLD Edsel.

Personally, I'll take the new model over a older model better suited for a pre-George W. Bush presidency.

And for the record, I am very tired of Clinton supporters suggesting that those who vote for Obama are delusional, not "real" democrats, too young to know, etc. This has been going on for months. You have your reasons, we apparently have ours.

If Hillary is so strong, why can't she put the nomination away? Everyone is asking it of Obama, but Clinton can;t seem close the deal either.

Pennsylvania Results:
Although I understand your point...
Clinton 54.6% which rounds to 55
Obama 45.3% which rounds to 45

Electability arguments based on comparisons on how Obama and Clinton fare in primaries is bogus. Sure each of them has warts and will not likely get 100% of the others coalition - that is just the facts. But many will (I hope )come together for which ever democrat is the nominee.

I support Obama because Hillary is too Hawkish for me. Her comments about "obliterating Iran" and a "nuclear envelope" from the Penn debate and news show appearance afterwards make me tense about her foreign policy positions. But you can take it to the bank that she will be more moderate, and held to more account by the Dems in congress, than will neocon McCain. I will certainly be supporting whichever comes out of the primary because McCain would be a bitter pill for the US to swallow - more Iraq war, more tax cut and deficit spend, more ultra right supreme court justices.

Clinton is 'shaking the Republicans in their boots...' because they know she's unelectable. And so they want to run against her.

Her negatives are simply too high. She may have won the primary in PA, but in the general election she won't win any of those 'big' states.

Sure, California, New York, most of New England - they'll vote for the Democrat, any Democrat.

But the fact that Ohio and PA went for Hillary in a Democratic primary, and somehow that translates to a win for her in the general election is pure nonsense.

Most people don't like her. And, concerning any 'Bradley' effect - pollsters keep asking white voters if they'd vote for Obama because of his race. And yet, I've yet to hear a poll showing how many men would not vote for Hillary to be Commander in Chief, because she's a woman.

No, it's not fair. And I'm not one to say she wouldn't make a good president.

But trying to 'outman' the men in this campaign is starting to get a bit annoying. "Obliterate Iran."

Give me a break. For starters, could both Democratic candidates (starting with Ms. Clinton) start talking about the problems facing this country. And stop shouting out soundbites that have gone way past annoying.

Obama is an IQ test. If you support him, you don't have one.

Why do people keep saying Clinton won PA by 10 points? She won by 9.31 points, which by my math rounds to 9, not 10, and is less than the "double digit" victory she claims.

Obama is the new Edsel.

All the lemmings love him.

Obama supporters are to politics what Typhoid Mary was to nursing.

OBAMA AND HIS POSSIES CREATED THE EARLY PRIMARY. YOU LIVE BY THE SWORD YOU LIVE BY THE SWORD.

It's great to see that FreeRepublic has been let out tonight! The tell tale sign are the posts where not single bit of evidence is marshalled to support a claim. Just bare assertions. Hilarious!

This is exactly how a nation ends up with $4 trillion of new debt in 7 years -- with every penny of benefit going to the top .01 percent. This is exactly how a country gets tied down in an unending war that has only undermines larger strategic objectives.

The suckers on the right are made to be played.

Limbaughland turds, FreeRepublicers, and the Bush "30" are God's gift to America's enemies everywhere. They are easily the most easily duped group in this country -- they prove it every election cycle. The U.S. cannot win for losing with those suckers. They are a living insult to the sacrifices of generations of Americans.

Obama rolls out his new strategy, "Ignore the troll."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/us/politics/23obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

I am not sure where pasifikawv bought a calculator. Perhaps the battery is dead.
Without the votes of Florida and Michigan, Obama is ahead by 500,353 popular votes. With Florida included, Obama's total is +205,581 popular votes. With both Michigan and Florida included, Clinton is ahead by 122,728 votes. It does not seem that either candidate is WAY ahead.

Posted by: ctop | April 23, 2008 9:35 PM
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Wasn't it easy to state the facts, versus all this other MATHMANIA which is a smokescreen? Thanks for your comment. The significance of the Pennsylvania win is that it gets Hillary to begin to prove the point that Obama is NOT WAY AHEAD. She would have strong arguments on this, the electoral college and her qualifications. She also covers a wider base of Democrats versus the population that supports Obama. So, by no means this race is over.

Thus, sit tight and let's see how this develops.

If she does not win I'll vote for Nader. My bacl friends tell me that they want to vote for him just because he is black but they like Hillary but if she wins they will vote for her. What that heck is that?

Hillary and if not I'll throw my vote away to Nader

Nominating Obama is llke bungee jumping without a rope.

Its like parachuting, without a parachute.

Obama is the candidate that appeals to every Democrat's inner lemmmings.

Nominating Obama is a sure way to win the "javelin catch"

Just like winning, losing is a habit..

If we nomate Obama, we're buying a Darwin award for the Democratic Party.

Don't do it.

Don't jump out of that plane.

Lets surprise the Repubicans and not run a loser this time.

Barry Obama's a very bad idea.

Only Hillary Clinton can defeat John McCain.

Lets try winning one for a change.

We might even find that we like it.

Welcome to PA. where our governor endorses racial bigotry, Catholic women are like Hillary, and alter boys are nervous.
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It is obvious that garbage like this is the only thing to be spewed out of your mouth when you don't have an argument. And who is the bigot?

Everyone is getting mired in the math. It will be difficult for Obama to lose the nomination. As Martin Luther King exhorted us, we should worried about a Democratic candidate with the following character flaws that will be mercilessly exposed during the GE:

1. Kicked off his 1996 campaign with someone who bombed the Pentagon and said on 9/11 that they did not do enough. Refuses to distance himself.
2. Worshiped for 20 years at a anti-American, Black liberation theology church. Still a member. Refuses to distance himslef. Even Oprah left.
3. Destroyed fellow candidates in that 1996 election, including Alice Palmer, using old-style, very questionable technical legal maneuvers to win.
4. Appears to have engineered an almost 3x raise for his wife through a shady quid pro quo earmark request arrangement with her employer.
5. Procured a piece of land to build his $1.6 million mansion in Hyde Park through an extremely shady deal with Mr. Rezko, a gentlemen who is now being prosecuted for some of his dealings.
6. Cozies up to San Francisco liberal elites and admits his true feelings about the working folks that built this country, from a book (What's the Matter With Kansas?) that drips with condescension and elitism (and, BTW, has been proven to be incorrect).
7. Has a wife that complains about having to spend $10,000 on ballet lessons for his children in a misguided attempt to convince regular folks that she's "just like them".
8. Talks about the price of arugula at Whole Foods in a state that does not have a Whole Foods.
9. Refuses to wear a flag pin out of some misguided philosophical stance.
10. Refuses to place his hand over his heart for the singing of the National Anthem. This is absolutely true. The misinterpretation was that he was accused of not doing it for the Pledge of Allegiance. However, refusing to put your hand over your heart for the National Anthem is, in my book, equally unpatriotic.

So, check list for the Republicans currently salivating at the prospect of slicing and dicing the democratic candidate:

Liberal elite, check.

Completely out of touch with regular people, check.

Does things that can easily be construed as non-patriotic, check.

Shady Chicago political dealings, check.

Associates with terrorists and america-haters, check.

Still waiting for someone to explain to me why I should support this guy.

I am not sure where pasifikawv bought a calculator. Perhaps the battery is dead.
Without the votes of Florida and Michigan, Obama is ahead by 500,353 popular votes. With Florida included, Obama's total is +205,581 popular votes. With both Michigan and Florida included, Clinton is ahead by 122,728 votes. It does not seem that either candidate is WAY ahead.

feastorfamine:

You keep repeating this paragraph in all blogs in this newspaper. I guess we should keep it as a reference to see who will turn out to be the victor. You are so wrapped up in your Math that you fail to see that too many things can happen between now and the convention. So, stop inundating with the same Math, take a deeeeeep breath, cinch your horses and let's wait for this process to complete!!!

The "Republican Attack Machine" will paint Obama as too liberal. They will attack Clinton as too liberal and unprincipaled liar (in a way that the Obama campaign has refused to do). She is the weaker candidate for November against a man who sacrificed his freedom and safety in a Vietnam POW camp and despite his conservatism has fostered a moderate maverick image.

Welcome to PA. where our governor endorses racial bigotry, Catholic women are like Hillary, and alter boys are nervous.

Obama is a better candidate who appeals to me as a white person. None of the other candidates has come close to speaking out in a way that makes me believe we can have a better life. I know there are more people out there who believe that then the few who push hate. He has won because he is better than the rest and offers a choice. All the name calling is no more effective than in high school.

In my view the resounding victory given by Democratic voters in Pennsylvania to Mrs. Hillary Clinton testifies to the fact that they consider her as representing the true spirit and ethos of America.They want also to show the World at large that America has progressed enough to have a Woman as their
President. With a Woman as American President
the moral standing of US in the comity of nations will scale new heights and this single fact could decimate the ugly forces of terrorism/

Oh! Shucks! At last, Billary managed to defy the odds! Now, how about getting rid of those pant suits for something that's more becoming? But, then again, some are born ugly, some just manage to maintain ugliness, and some just can't do anything about it.

Obama isnt hardballing anyone. He won it fair and square with white voters like me supporting him. Its the white voters who have courage to vote for him and stop the haters. All over america people have done this in greater and greater numbers and we are coming after you nutcake conservatives who have ruined our lives.

I dont regret nominating Dukakis, Gore, or Kerry. The Democratic party stands for something besides opportunism. I wouldnt vote for a gun supporting democrat even if he or she is electable. I wouldnt support a war mongering democrat even if he or she could win. Democrats were right to nominate the Greek governor of Massachusetts to run against Bush I -- the people of America were wrong. Democrats were right to nominate Al Gore -- the supreme court was wrong. Democrats were right to nominate John Kerry -- Ohio was wrong. Democrats have suffered because their natural leadership was eliminated through violence in the 1960s. Conservatives may have won the Presidency, but who admires the President? There is a lesson there. I admire Kerry, Dukakis, Gore more than Bush and I don't want another Clinton in the White House. I want a real Democrat.

To non-Africans Americans Voters,

What will you do if Obama and his cronies hardball the rest of us to making him the nominee as if he has a claim to it? The media is already biased for Obama, and many just ignore it. The Democratic Party is putting the blacks ahead of other members of the party like the working class voters and white women. Have the blacks grown so powerful in the party that everybody else is secondary citizen in this country? If Obama wins by muscling through our (super)delegates despite losing on every other demographic group, should we just ignore this? What if we vote for McCain since Obama does not represent us anyway. I don't like what I see in the Democratic party. It seems to me that the party is taking the rest of us for granted, just to have a black president who has no qualification to speak of and with a doubtful character.

Posted by: CP Cook | April 23, 2008 7:42 PM
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Just pure facts is that the Hispanics have exceeded significantly since the Census count of 2000, the black population and will be a major significant group offsetting the blacks in the Democratic party. With the rise from 2000 to present the numbers have significantly surpassed any of the black population. So, no longer can this group pose a threat to the Democratic party. The Hispanic would vote for the Democratic party and have proven to be loyal to Hillary and there is no argument about Bill Richardson, who is not supported by the Hispanics.

Last posting from me for the night..later fellow Dems...

Obama versus McCain in the Electoral college.....
SurveyUSA interviewed 600 registered voters in each of the 50 states. A total of 30,000 interviews were completed. If John McCain faces Barack Obama, Obama wins 280 to 256. McCain carries 26 states. Obama carries 24 states plus the District of Columbia ... and then there is Nebraska, which divides its electoral votes based on which candidate wins each of the state's congressional districts. McCain wins Nebraska 45% to 42%, but loses in two of the state's three congressional districts, which results in Barack Obama taking two of Nebraska's five electoral votes.
Not to mention Obama has consistantly polled better than Hillary in head to head matchups nationally.
But way more important is this...
Truth is truth, and math does not lie. In order for Hillary to win the nomination she MUST win ALL the remaining 10 states by a margin of at least 17-19 percentage points (67-69%) and then she must win 64% of the superdelegates. All this talk back and forth cannot change the math. Hillary's efforts to get the nomination will be an exhaustive uphill battle. Before all you Hillary folks start to jump down my throat you should know I LOVE Hillary. I am constantly pleading for unity within the Dem party. I do not have a bias. What I have is a calculator, and a willingness to add things up the way they are, not the way I want them to be. Ironically Hillary's win in PA actually HURTS Hillary in more ways than one. (Kudos though for winning it!) First off it leaves only 9 contests to cut the margin. A 14% point win in PA wasnt merely one of expectation but more of necessity. Failing to reach the margin of 14% now changes her margin for the rest of the contests. In fact the change is rather drastic. As of yesterday she needed 14% wins in ALL states left. Now she needs 17-19% point wins. Use this delegate calculator below and do the math yourself. Adjust the slider to 67-69% wins from here on out and see what you get. The magic number of delegates needed to win the Democratic nomination is 2,025 out of 4,049 total number of delegates. If the race stays remotely the same as it is now, Hillary will be in the hole by 23% in superdelegates, plus she would need the 51% margin of those superdelegates for victory. That means Hillary would need 74% of all the superdelegates. As I stated, big big wins are needed in ALL 9 contests from here on out. Otherwise she cannot catch him with the superdelegates. Again crunch the numbers with the delegate calculator below.
The delegate count used is the same as MSNBC and CNN
http://www.slate.com//id/2185278/

The Obamsnuts are whining and crying and making excuses as to why Obama chokes in the big states that count for Democrats.

One was even stupid enough to claim Obama won the Alaskan Demo nod as justification to nominate Obama. Shows how stupid Obama and his Obamanuts are. As one who lived in alasks for 26+ years and was active in politics, I know that claim is more Obama snake oil.

Alaska would never vote for Obama for president. How many other states Obama claims to have turned are the same way?

Obama, the McGovern of 2008, will tank just like McGovern did in 1972! He is too liberal and too left elitist for the majority of the country.

I am a white person supporting Obama. I dont care about what people in Pennsylvania do, and don't care about what white gun owners think. I don't want any more conservatives as President. The standard of living has fallen for everyone. I can tell among us live a lot of people who do nothing but hate, and many of these people vote. So is it any wonder we have a 911? With people like this who have so much hate? Hate attracts hate.

Much has been made of the 9.2 percent (or so) spread between Hillary and Obama in Pennsylvania. Reagan's margin over Carter in 1980 was 9.7 percent, and it was called a landslide. Some would argue that Reagan's landslide was the number of states he won (44) against Carter's (6 + DC). In point of fact, Hillary won, it appears, 62 of Pennsylvania's 67 counties. This is exactly the same pattern we witnessed in Ohio. This is very serious, and people are pretending it means nothing. When people go to the voting booth and contemplate President Obama, they are emoting the same way they did when they contemplated President Dukakis. We Democrats are in a world of trouble.

51% is what you need. That's the female population percentage. Think. Some folks need to step back, take a deep breath, and get real.

Obama is 90% of 12% plus 35%. Does not equal general victory.

Clinton.

It's staring you in the face. New voters (unregistered women), independents, a fair number of Republicans, are all available on top of your base.

Obama's folks seem to be the pseudo-intellectuals.

The best argument that Hillary has is the electoral college Math so she should be pursuing this as her first argument to the Super Delegates.

And then the issue of Florida and Michigan needing a re-vote if the results are not accepted.

The media pundits will spin all kind of theories in their quest to destroy any chances that she has. With the win in Pennsylvania, she presents a strong argument that the various segments of the population that she won, which constitutes the base of the party, she can carry a great majority of states. She should not forget that Hispanics would offset significantly any losses suffered with the black vote. The black folks continue to threaten defection if Obama loses, and they forget that they are no longer the most significant minority vote in this country!!!

Posted by: Hispana | April 23, 2008 9:07 PM

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AGAIN Hispana have you simply done THE MATH? I get you are a passionette supporter but have you taken a peek at reality? Not trying to be mean but if you actually do the math the picture if far more bleak than you might want and its actually gotten WORSE since Hillarys victory in PA (Kudos)

Truth is truth, and math does not lie. In order for Hillary to win the nomination she MUST win ALL the remaining 10 states by a margin of at least 17-19 percentage points (67-69%) and then she must win 64% of the superdelegates. All this talk back and forth cannot change the math. Hillary's efforts to get the nomination will be an exhaustive uphill battle. Before all you Hillary folks start to jump down my throat you should know I LOVE Hillary. I am constantly pleading for unity within the Dem party. I do not have a bias. What I have is a calculator, and a willingness to add things up the way they are, not the way I want them to be. Ironically Hillary's win in PA actually HURTS Hillary in more ways than one. (Kudos though for winning it!) First off it leaves only 9 contests to cut the margin. A 14% point win in PA wasnt merely one of expectation but more of necessity. Failing to reach the margin of 14% now changes her margin for the rest of the contests. In fact the change is rather drastic. As of yesterday she needed 14% wins in ALL states left. Now she needs 17-19% point wins. Use this delegate calculator below and do the math yourself. Adjust the slider to 67-69% wins from here on out and see what you get. The magic number of delegates needed to win the Democratic nomination is 2,025 out of 4,049 total number of delegates. If the race stays remotely the same as it is now, Hillary will be in the hole by 23% in superdelegates, plus she would need the 51% margin of those superdelegates for victory. That means Hillary would need 74% of all the superdelegates. As I stated, big big wins are needed in ALL 9 contests from here on out. Otherwise she cannot catch him with the superdelegates. Again crunch the numbers with the delegate calculator below.
The delegate count used is the same as MSNBC and CNN
http://www.slate.com//id/2185278/

Even in the industrial northeastern states, like PA and MA, in which people are more liberal thinking than in the south, Obama did not do well. By county-to-county counts, Obama only won 25% of the counties in MA, and only half as much in PA.
sen. Obama will certainly fail in small-town America and also the general election, like his supporter John Kerry did in 2004 and Governor Dukaicus did in 1988.

Hispana wrote:

I can tell you that the Hispanic vote alone if united and determined, can easily offset the black vote and have Hillary win. The Hispanic population has exceeded the black population since 2000.

Of course this ignores the fact that the Hispanic population is an "artificial" combination of diverse people from very different countries and backgrounds. In Chicago, for example, one Congressional District is "primarily" Hispanic -- but it is split between the Puerto Rican Hispanic and the Mexican Hispanic. And the two do not get along at all.

Further, while the Hispanic Population is important in two States that the Democrats would like to win - Florida and Texas -- it is also heavily concentrated in three states that the Democrats should carry without trouble - New York, Illinois and Cailfornia.

And, of course, if Obama names Richardson as his running mate, that should solve any issues.

The best argument that Hillary has is the electoral college Math so she should be pursuing this as her first argument to the Super Delegates.

And then the issue of Florida and Michigan needing a re-vote if the results are not accepted.

The media pundits will spin all kind of theories in their quest to destroy any chances that she has. With the win in Pennsylvania, she presents a strong argument that the various segments of the population that she won, which constitutes the base of the party, she can carry a great majority of states. She should not forget that Hispanics would offset significantly any losses suffered with the black vote. The black folks continue to threaten defection if Obama loses, and they forget that they are no longer the most significant minority vote in this country!!!

Obama is bull.
He supported the war after ragging about it. He also supports Bushes NCLB which robs public schools to fund religious and private schools. Since our kids use publics schools I can support him even if he is cute and has dimples.

The Dems have no choice but to nominate Obama.

If Obama has the most pledged delegates (which it seems now he will ) and he is not the party nominee it could very well be the end of the Democratic Party. Not only will they lose a donor pool of 1.5 million, alienate the new young voters as Democrats, they have the very reasonable chance to lose the African American Vote - not only in this election but in the foreseeable future. How could this happen?

As the party loses it's nerve to nominate an African American, while Hillary and her slime throwers make Obama unelectable in the eyes of the party officials they might seek another candidate. Through some mechanics or floor fight Obama does not get the nomination. McCain and the Republicans will see a once in a generation opening and picks Condoleezza Rice or even better for them Colin Powell as his running mate. Powell (an Obama admirer) might do this due to his perceived injustice to the African American community.

African Americans, many who would feel that the Democrats have placed them in the back of the bus once again, will come out in record numbers (70%) to vote for the Republicans in a way to regain some self-respect. If McCain turns left and back to the middle this would probably end the Democratic monopoly of the African American vote and thus greatly if not mortally damage the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Lcerngl | April 23, 2008 7:07 PM
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I can tell you that the Hispanic vote alone if united and determined, can easily offset the black vote and have Hillary win. The Hispanic population has exceeded the black population since 2000.

The blacks have united against Hillary; The media was biased against Hillary; Online hateful bloggers have ganged up on Hillary; Obama outspent her 3 to 1; Haters came into play; Friends have betrayed her; Yet IN SPITE ALL THAT, she is standing strong and competitive. Hillary's electability has a higher premium because it withstands the odds. Obama's electability has been resting on the naive notion that he can convert Republicans & traditional democrats. Obama is a higher risk when the Republicans start fighting.

I totally agree with the assessment.

Barack Obamas biggest problem is the electoral college.

He wins no states in the South. That means that he has to run a straight flush on Ohio, Penn, NJ, Mass, Mich or he loses.
Obama objected to a revote in Michigan so I doubt they will be excited about supporting him in the fall IF he is the nominee.
The electoral math is what elects a president. Remember 2000. Forget it at your own peril. Clinton is by far the stronger general candidate.

Polls indicate that Obama is leading McCain in Pennsylvania and within 2% in Ohio. He can compete and win in those states and he will expand the Democratic base to include a lot of small states that national Democrats have ignored, but are turning our way at the local level - Virginia, North Carolina, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas - as well as some that we have already tried to win but come up short - Iowa, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado. It will be a fascinating election and truly is a chance for Democrats to change the voting map.

As for the superdelegates overturning the election results and giving the nomination to Hillary Clinton - it ain't gonna happen. Party leaders are not suicidal. Talk about disrespecting your base! Do you think black voters would rally to Hillary Clinton if she is perceived to have stolen the election from Obama? How about anti-war progressive Democrats that have been swelling his ranks? Or those independent and Republican crossover voters? They will all be gone and it would mean an electoral disaster for the Democrats. The superdelegates already know this. Watch for the continued, slow, drip, drip, drip of their daily endorsements of Obama in the coming weeks followed by a deluge either after Indiana (if Obama wins) or after Montana/South Dakota when the primaries are complete.

OOPS!
Obama versus McCain in the Electoral college.....
SurveyUSA interviewed 600 registered voters in each of the 50 states. A total of 30,000 interviews were completed. If John McCain faces Barack Obama, Obama wins 280 to 256. McCain carries 26 states. Obama carries 24 states plus the District of Columbia ... and then there is Nebraska, which divides its electoral votes based on which candidate wins each of the state's congressional districts. McCain wins Nebraska 45% to 42%, but loses in two of the state's three congressional districts, which results in Barack Obama taking two of Nebraska's five electoral votes.

Not to mention Obama has consistantly polled better than Hillary in head to head matchups nationally.

But way more important is this...

Truth is truth, and math does not lie. In order for Hillary to win the nomination she MUST win ALL the remaining 10 states by a margin of at least 17-19 percentage points (67-69%) and then she must win 64% of the superdelegates. All this talk back and forth cannot change the math. Hillary's efforts to get the nomination will be an exhaustive uphill battle. Before all you Hillary folks start to jump down my throat you should know I LOVE Hillary. I am constantly pleading for unity within the Dem party. I do not have a bias. What I have is a calculator, and a willingness to add things up the way they are, not the way I want them to be. Ironically Hillary's win in PA actually HURTS Hillary in more ways than one. (Kudos though for winning it!) First off it leaves only 9 contests to cut the margin. A 14% point win in PA wasnt merely one of expectation but more of necessity. Failing to reach the margin of 14% now changes her margin for the rest of the contests. In fact the change is rather drastic. As of yesterday she needed 14% wins in ALL states left. Now she needs 17-19% point wins. Use this delegate calculator below and do the math yourself. Adjust the slider to 67-69% wins from here on out and see what you get. The magic number of delegates needed to win the Democratic nomination is 2,025 out of 4,049 total number of delegates. If the race stays remotely the same as it is now, Hillary will be in the hole by 23% in superdelegates, plus she would need the 51% margin of those superdelegates for victory. That means Hillary would need 74% of all the superdelegates. As I stated, big big wins are needed in ALL 9 contests from here on out. Otherwise she cannot catch him with the superdelegates. Again crunch the numbers with the delegate calculator below.
The delegate count used is the same as MSNBC and CNN
http://www.slate.com//id/2185278/

OBAMA THINKS TAHT HE IS THE AUTOMATIC DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE BECAUSE OF DELEGATES AND RED STATES.

BUT OBAMA IS NOT ELECTABLE IN DEMOCRATIC CORE STATES AND DEMOCRATIC CORE VOTERS.

DELEGATES WILL DECIDE AUGUST 25TH IN DENVER.

THERE ARE 650 UNDECIDED DELEGATES THAT WILL VOTE IN AUGUST FOR THE MOST ELECTABLE CANDIDATE.

OBAMA MAY NOT WIN AGAINST MCCAIN BECAUSE IF THE VOTERS DO NOT COME OUT NOWFOR HIM THEY MAY NOT COME OUT IN NOVEMBER FOR HIM.

HE DOES NOT WIN THE GOD AND GUN STATES.

THE OTHER ARGUMENT IS THAT WE CAN'T TAKE THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE AWAY FROM AFRICAN AMERICANS.

I AM AFRICAN AMERICAN AND I HAVE ASKED HUNDREDS AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO VOTE FOR CLINTON IN NOVEMBER.

Obama RUINED his chances in PA and every other swing state with his now infamous Bitter 'truth'... he doesn't have a CLUE what this country is about... if he gets the nomination, he might as well write it off along with any other state except those NE of NY and CAL... and Hillary CANNOT win... and it's really great to see all you liberals turn even bitter... though.. jsut 3 weeks ago on NPR a OBAMA fan was gleefully exclaiming..."I HAVEN'T SEEN SO MUCH EXCITEMENT ABOUT A CAMPAIN SINCE McGOVERN!!" huh?! You libs are really a bunch of self loathing losers...once you figure out the majority of the country ISN'T a bunch of bitter USA hating oppressed victims, but a self reliant proud family orientated bunch who LOVE this land... well... you become CANNIBALS who eat there own children!!!! I'd be funny... if you weren't so pathetic.. WISE UP!!! GET A LITTLE SELF RESPECT!!! LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND SEE HOW UGLY YOU"VE BECOME!!!... if Kennedy were around.. I'd vote for him... but... I was born the year the Democratic Party died (1963). The country under President McCain will win in the middle east... History is written in the present... the USA will be the world's leader for the next 100 years... and Democrats will hate every second of it... Please.. all of you OBAMA fans.. come back from the DARK SIDE!! For your sake.. and your childrens

MDEAL, It's our election we'll do it the way we like. Where are you hiding so when I see you I can park these size 12'vs where the sun doesn't shine.

Hillary has something Obama doesn't. Passion. She has the passion to be president.

MDEAL classy! I guess in your country they choose their leaders through their looks. Well apparently that wasn't the best idea since your home country is screwed up badly enough to force you to live amongst us Americans who apparently you hate. I think that this pretty much shows how much credibility you personally have.

I completely agree with the above posts. Why are Obama supporters supremely loyal to him and super super critical of Hillary, when after all, they are both Democrats. Its one thing to like your candidate, but the outrageous favoritism is more than bias, its obsession, and has no place in politics. Its the reason why Mr. Obama could do the most terrible thing, and his supporters would defend him at every turn, because of the psychology that is now involved. I am not surprised that young voters are so likely to be acting this way; it has become more of a sporting event (bashing, and cheering) than critically thinking about what needs to be done in this country. If Obama is going to purport that much of that change is in the process and not policy, then he needs to live up to that standard, stop being a hypocrite and have supporters that can conjure the same sentiments. If not, then he is just a politician, and welcome to the liberal version of Bush supporters.

Clintons constituancy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q5Y-PHiOdI

So now we continue to watch the spectacle of one candidate clawing kicking scratching dragging another candidate down in the vilest display of ambition since lady macbeth plotted to become queen

If Hillary steals the nomination I will stay home in November. Dems will not fall in line behind Hillary. They are not as loyal as some would believe. Nader proved that in 2000. All that contribution power that Obama has will go to Nader.

Why is this butt-ugly, face-ugly woman still around? Shouldn't this senile degenerate have retired long time ago along with her even-uglier family? You Americans are pathetic for allowing this type of reprobate to hang around for so long. Add to that is the whole shebang of the dyslexic CNN, Fox, ABC, NBC and the other moronic American media networks. Grow up America! Stop being the laughiing stock of the rest of the world.

I'm getting tired to my core watching the media circus that is driven by ratings alone. You Americans are fuc'ing the world with gay abandon, and we, the rest of the world have had enough of it.

I only wish people could get around themselves and their own prejudices enough to recognize something this nation hasn't seen in years...for some a their entire life...and that's a leader who wants to restore the government to the people...and not corporations, the military or intelligence communities. The difficulty here is that soooo many from what I can read in these comments have been so swathed in this "me-me-me-syndrome" which has been a cancer from the early 70s to present day they are too blind and refuse to acknowledge something new...a change from the status quo. Sondheim's lyrics are true...'what's hard is simple, what's natural comes hard.' In this case, I strongly urge to HURT yourself by putting your ignorance in a safe place so you can retrieve when you need comfort...do a little broadening of your perspective...you might grow in ways you never thought. For those of you too insecure to leave your ignorance for fear it will be lost...well I'm sorry for you...but what you can do is tuck it away in a pocket so it's still close to you...but at least broaden your perspective. Get over the fact that this man is only 1/2 white...that half i fyou want to look at it this way could clearly represent that which you just put aside momentarily.
This nonsense that he won't win republicans...Sue Eisenhower as well as Julie Nixon are supporters and actively seeking to gather more republicans to his support; his pastor's remarks...granted he's Christian although not Catholic so he may not be the Tony Soprano-esque Catholic; this Bittergate is so contrived to make him appear to be elitist...you have to ask yourself if he's only 1/2 white how elitist could he really be?

Oh think about it long enough before you grab your safekeepings...

One thing has been made clear with Hillary Clinton. She can duke it out. For weeks she was prodigiously out spent, she was held up to ridicule, she was told to quit by the Party elite and the bobble headed MSM political pundits, yet in a hard fought primary election in Pennsylvania she won big. Just this last weekend the media and Obama campaign were touting pre election polls that showed that Obama had closed the gap and was within the sampling margin of error. She came storming back, kicked, scratched, bit, gouged and on Tuesday spanked him. Obama even lost in Pittsburg. She has shown tremendous grit and determination. Obviously this primary won't be over until the pant suited lady sings. I like Obama but I also like a fighter. She is one. Clinton reminds me of a female, pant suited, perfumed, version of a scrappy Harry Truman.

Hillary Clinton is not a lesbian, as far as I know.

Look how well Clinton's focus on the traditional Democratic coalition and traditional Democratic states worked in 1968, 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000 and 2004.... The only times since JFK the Democrats have won is when they did something different -- and (sorry posters above...) Carter in 1976 was one of those different campaigns. Still, the Democrats want to run the same old types of candidates...and lose. Am I the only one old enough to remember the "ABC" campaign of 1976: "Anyone but Carter"? Those were Democrats saying that as he headed toward the nomination and what his party was sure was a loss to Ford in the fall. The only Democrats who get elected president in this country are the ones who don't listen to or come from their own party's establishment. (Hillary should know that, you'd think.) In 2008, that's Obama.

I dont think that the Democrats are more electable by trying to be like Republicans. If that is the alternative I can vote for McCain. The Hillary play book is no different than Roves. I was hoping for something more uplifting after 8 years of Bush. The experience that appeals to me is Obama. God bless him and hope he overcomes the obstacles to win the Presidency.

Forget about the red states:

What about these states:

Washington, Oregon, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Virginia, Colorado, Nevada, Michigan.

All non red states that Obama does much better than Clinton in.

Clinton could lose most of those states, and Obama can win most of those states.

The demographic analysis in this article is too narrow. Clinton does do better with downscale voters along the Appalachian ridge -- including downscale Catholics. Her support may even be sufficient to flip a state like West Virginia.

It will not be sufficient to flip Georgia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia, North Carolina, or South Carolina. So essentially Clinton's strengths are in West Virginia and PA -- that's the benefit of having her on the ticket.

She will lose Oregon in the GE -- and every state west of the Mississippi -- with the exception of California. In some early head to head match-ups she loses Washington state and New Mexico as well against McCain -- this is for a candidate with 100 percent name ID going into this election.

There is no question that Obama is the more competitive GE candidate west of the Mississippi and in the mid-Atlantic. Contrary to what Sloan says NO Democratic candidate -- Obama or Clinton -- is seriously thinking about competing in truly deep Red states in the GE like Oklahoma -- where Dems have been unable to win statewide office.

However, there are purple states where Obama has remained the far stronger candidate.

Clinton's "trustworthy" numbers in the 40 percent range are Bushesque circa 2006 -- they are a serious liability. Her negatives in the mid-50s are not numbers that a person would want to see in a serious general election candidate.

All of this is putting aside the question of the popular vote and the pledged delegate count. Clinton scored a good win in PA last night, but even with that win she now has to win 71 percent of the outstanding votes in order just to get to parity against Obama. If the superdelegate vote based on the outcome of 85 percent of the contests this one is going to be officially over on May 21st. The rest of this debate is academic.

Clinton with huge name ID advantages going into this election -- and generally positive numbers with the Democratic base (not so much with independents and the GOP) plus years of political connections in states like PA where she and her husband built up massive "chits" -- couldn't even get her vote total to double digits last night. Her opponent may have outspent Clinton 3 to 1 in a 6 week campaign, but the reality is in 6 short weeks her opponent closed a 20 point gap by 10 points in a state where the Clintons have spent the better part of the past 16 years building up political networks in the state. The Clintons had a 16 year head start. Obama's team had to start from scratch -- and all things considered did pretty well.

As far as the "media" treatment goes -- no one -- except for McCain -- has gotten more of a free pass than Clinton. Never mind the fact that since March 4th she has also rec'd a nice 2 to 4 percent lift in every state that she's competed thanks to bored GOP voters in states like Ohio, Texas, Mississippi, and PA who have no intention of voting for her during the general election.

This race may have been close after Feb. 5th. Since that time though Obama has pulled away and built a lead that Clinton has been able to crack. At this stage the only way that Clinton closes the gap is if the outstanding supers decide to vote against the candidate who has 150 more pledged delegates and over 500,000 more primary votes (excluding the caucus state results which would pad Obama's totals). This excludes the conservative estimate of 250,000 Limbaugh sh-tto-heads who have thrown their weight behind the Clinton candidacy since March 4th in Operation Turds in a Cow Pasture.

I am from france, and I have read some of the comments posted here. It seems that many of you are extremely passionated and loose any clever judgement on Obama or Clinton!
You discredited yourself when your arguments are so extreme. Please, keep cool and smart and stop things like Hussein ossama and so on!!!

As a Kentucky voter I support Howard Dean & Obama's idea that we need to campaign in all states and not just cherry pick a few states. Unless we do that we run the risk of not only losing this election but miss out on changing red states to blue.

The Clinton campaigns comments that there are some states more important than others (no matter the # of delegates) is a throwback to the old ways of campaigning and quite frankly an admission they do not plan on campaigning in states like mine. This is short term thinking at it's worst and needs to be discouraged. With the disastrous Bush presidency fresh in the minds of voters in red states we do our Party great harm by not taking advantage of it.

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It is my opinion that the democratic party should bank on a winning strategy. Anyone can see that the electoral map gives no room for error. While Obama is a good candidate in an ideal race-free contest, he is far too vulnerable in a racially sensitive contest. But he is also a great asset with African American and young voters. So it seems to me that a wise decision for the democrats this fall will be a Hillary-Obama ticket, eventhough it seems unrealistic at the moment. It will ofcourse be unpleasant for Obama, but some one like Ted Kennedy should convince him that he should agree to such a team for the sake of the party. The PA primary results clearly tell us that democratic party will be the looser in an Obama-McCain contest, especially because of the recent events pertaining to Rev. Wright, bitter-gate as evidenced by PA results. McCain has distinct advantages with voters that can not be overlooked, and Hillary has the support of core democratic groups such as Women, Blue collar workers, Catholics, Seniors, Hispanics, Asians etc. to overcome him. Obama's support among African Americans and young voters will decisively help in this contest.

I cannot believe we are talking about a guy that dint know how to do a state Senators job in Illinois. He wants to be the president. Not just any country but USA, whose economy and military makes a difference to a large part of the planet earth ???

People in this country gone insane or become delusional. How can this guy, who dint know what to do in state Senate in Illinois, he will all of a sudden figure out what to do with a job that has implications for the whole world !!!

This country has been acting strange since dot com bubble. One bubble after another. Now Obama bubble. How long it'll be before it bursts right in our faces ???

If you want to waste your vote on a condescending, corrupt, racist, incompetent, failed Senator that has no experience, no accomplishments to shoq for, talks for hours saying nothing of value, go ahead. You expect this guy to solve the issues the country is facing !!!This is a free country but we get the leaders we deserve.

Would someone please tell me how many EXTRA DELEGATES Obama has as a result of the delegate allocation formula which is not from electoral strength ????

In a true proportional system, Obama would be 1.8% ahead in the pledged delegates.

That margin would put Obama ahead by 51 pledged delegates, not the 154 lead he now enjoys.

Something is wrong with the democrats' system.

There is no reason why such a 200,000 vote win in Pennsylvania should have such a low impact on the race - the reason is that CLEARLY something is wrong with the proportional system.

COlorado was mentioned as a traditional red state--the winds are shifting. There are 7 House districts in the state and 4 are currently held by Democrats. Furthermore, Representatives Salazar's (often thought to be Republican) rural district, is currently rated a safe Democratic seat.

Comments clearly show who will not vote for Obama: no brains. Obvious without the comments. Even the press misses the big picture: Bill Clinton, two terms, known liar, impeached, disbarred, Bush/Clinton dynasty. Anyone voting for that, does indeed want corruption and the same old garbage in DC.

It is okay that Hillary tells tall tales about Bosnia; okay that she lies about special interests; okay that she lies about herself, her votes, Obama. She insults citizens, panders to the dumb and the bigots; the press and DNC still believe she is the inevitable candidate.

I listened to people complain about the government and the government controlled media. I am especially tired of them whining about Bush. You are going to get what you let people who type like this: HUSSEIN OBAMA want. Dumbness, corruption and lies.

You will almost assuredly get into Iran, welcome back draft with your choice of McCain or Clinton. Dumb, dumb, dumb people.

To non-Africans Americans Voters,

What will you do if Obama and his cronies hardball the rest of us to making him the nominee as if he has a claim to it? The media is already biased for Obama, and many just ignore it. The Democratic Party is putting the blacks ahead of other members of the party like the working class voters and white women. Have the blacks grown so powerful in the party that everybody else is secondary citizen in this country? If Obama wins by muscling through our (super)delegates despite losing on every other demographic group, should we just ignore this? What if we vote for McCain since Obama does not represent us anyway. I don't like what I see in the Democratic party. It seems to me that the party is taking the rest of us for granted, just to have a black president who has no qualification to speak of and with a doubtful character.

Louima, that's it. Abner Louima. Lest we forget those violated (literally) by enlightened, non-racist northerners.

I'm still scratching my head as to why anyone would consider Barack Obama, who is basically George McGovern without the military experience, a good candidate. He's a hardcore leftist with no experience who surrounds himself with people that are still even more radical. If the media wouldn't have handled him with kid gloves and scrutinized him the way they have every other candidate, he'd have never won a single state.

This woman, and her minions, are becoming psychotic.

The race is decided on PLEDGED DELEGATES + SUPERDELEGATES.

Not by:

-who wins the popular vote, inclusive of "votes" from states that are not allowed to participate in the nomination

-who raised the most funds since the contest they won the night before

-who performed best in the latest debate that was moderated by a former staffer from their husband's presidency

-who has won the largest states

-who has won the prettiest states

-who has succeeded in disgusting the largest number of Americans by their willingness to outright lie at the drop of a dime

The Democratic party leaders must be losing their minds with this woman's antics.

Obama's inability to close and Clinton's refusal to drop out are pushing voters towards McCain.

Africans Americans Voters,

What will you do if Hillary and her cronies steal this election from Obama? You can see how the white Main Stream Media has already turned on Obama. You can see that the Democratic Party is more concerned about offending their working class voters and white women, but they don't give a crap if they offend African American voters. Will you hold your nose and support Hillary, even if you know that she was given the election, when Obama is leading in all categories. How will you show your outrage? I say if they steal this election from Obama, we boycott the election. If you are like me, you are sick of this attitude that Hillary is entitled to the White House because she is a white woman. Wake up and realize that the Democratic Party is a party of inclusion in African Americans voters fall in line and vote the way they want us to vote, but don't make the mistake of choosing your own candidate, which is an African American. You are called everything from stupid, racist, ignorant, ungreatful, traitor. Wake up and take a good look at the Democratic Pary and you may not like what you see.

YoBama, not Obama!

http://www.obamaunveiled.com

To Blue Dog... True, just because one is for Hillary does it mean that he won't vote for Obama in the general election. Maybe the number is about 50%, and I am one of them.

The more I see him, the more I am turned off by him. Before, I would rather have any Dem than have a Republican for president. Now, anybody but Obama. Obama made me realize that change is not necessarily a good thing, and having no experience is not a qualification. In summary and in all fairness, Obama is shallow and arrogant, and let's not get started on the wife as she is not the candidate. (Having said that, I noticed that she is not easy on the eyes. McCain's wife is.)

HUSSEIN OBAMA DID NOT VOTE FOR THE WAR BECUASE HE WAS NOT IN THE SENATE.

HUSSEING OBAMA DID VOTE FOR REV. WRIGHT AND SPEND SOME QUALITY TIME WITH AMERCAN'S #1 ENEMY TERRORIST WILLIAM C. AYERS.

sure can tell a lib by their tolerant,coherent bombastic name calling. the dmes are toast in november as far as the white house. all us gunclinging,God fearing toothpaste saving white devils will vote for mickey mouse before a hater.

Hello I am Hussein Obama. Please vote for me. I am not a Muslim!

http://www.obamaunveiled.com

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Hillary gets the votes of Democrats, Independents, and a good sized fraction of Republicans.

Obama gets African Americans, kiddies, the loony-left, and the "tin foil hat crowd"

Hillary for President.

Obama for "Willie Wonka"

Anyone who does not believe that Obama is damaged goods should have his head examined!

All the GOP slimeballers, swiftboaters, racists, chickenhawks, and professionas liars agree: they'd rather run against Hillary. Google it. Check it out. For whatever reason, they HATE Hillary, and can motivate their ignorant followers MUCH easier against her. It's probably because they hate how Bill gave us eight great years. In any event, Obama is far more electable- even top Rethuglicans admit this.

OBAMA'S FELONY HARD DRUG HISTORY MAKE HIM UNELECTABLE.

HILLARY CAN'T BRING IT UP.

REPUBLICANS WILL.

YOUR PARROT IT DEAD.

Posted by: OBAMA'S FELONY HARD DRUG HISTORY MAKE HIM UNELECTABLE | April 23, 2008 7:08 PM

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BOO!

FEAR FEAR FEAR
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Bill Clinton in 2004:
"Now one of Clinton's Laws of Politics is
this: If one candidate's trying to scare
you and the other one's trying to get you
to think; if one candidate's appealing to
your fears and the other one's appealing
to your hopes, you better vote for the
person who wants you to think and hope.
That's the best."

Keep on pasting your bumper stickers. its a shortcut to thinking, which is what Bill suggests we do.

Hillary Speaks!

Hello ladies and gentlemen! I am Hillary Clinton and I am best qualified to be your president! Why? Because I am awesome! Because of what I have done..... EVERYONE HOLD ON.... THERE ARE SNIPERS SHOOTING AT US! EVERYONE RUN FOR COVER! EVERYONE PUT A PIZZA BOX ON TOP OF YOUR HEAD TO STOP THE BULLETS! PUT YOUR HEAD IN A FISH BOWL IF YOU HAVE ONE!!! IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FISH BOWL, THEN PUT A LAMPSHADE OVER YOUR HEAD!!! SAVE YOURSELVES! SNIPERS ARE SHOOTING AT US!!!! SAVE YOURSELVES!!!!! what? oh really? that is just the ups delivering a box of t-shirts for our campaign? I knew that. I wasn't afraid. I know there aren't snipers. Now, please vote for me. I am not a schizophrenic psychopath. Honest. In fact, I have never said.... UH OH!!!! INCOMING SNIPER FIRE!!!! THEY ARE SHOOTING AT US AGAIN!!!!! HIDE THE CHILDREN!!! HIDE THE WOMEN!!!! HELL..... HIDE ME!!!!!!!!! I'M TOO YOUNG TO DIE!!!! FORGET THE CHILDREN... FORGET THE WOMEN!!! SAVE ME INSTEAD!!!! INCOMING SNIPER FIRE!!!!!!!!!

that's right. vote for hillary.

not only do you get hillary, but you get bill.. you get chelsea... and if you act this week.. YOU GET HILLARY'S ALTER EGO FOR FREE ! ! ! !

*** 4 PSYCHOTICS FOR THE PRICE OF 1 ***

SWEEEEEEEEEET!!!

Neocons for Hillary?

When people say Neocon, aren't they unfairly implying something that sounds strikingly similar to "Neo-Nazi?" I'm sure people on the far left don't appreciate being characterized as "left-wing moonbats." That said, people on the far right can't feel good when they are labeled as closely to "NEO-NAZI" as possible. As a moderate and a historian, I am appalled when people use these ugly poltical labels to demean those they disagree with. Extreme right-wing people might talk crazy, but so do people on the far-left. That said, this is a free country, and we're all free to speak our minds.

Here's my point: Calling people "Neo-cons" or "Nazis" or "Moonbats," or "Left-wing nuts," etc, reflects more about the integrity of the person speading such demeaning labels than the people they are seeking to smear.

"Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Has anyone wondered by voters in PA did not vote for Obama? Surely, they know that if Obama won PA, the race is over. Yet despite the odds a