The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

ObamasLady, Carl, and everyone else upset with my hypothetical question:

There is no doubt, if it gets that far, that the DNC Credentials Committee will decide the issue of Florida and Michigan once and for all ; )

Only one on self destruct are their elite white Super Delegates.. You are a bad history, I feel so sorry for you.

Whether you think that Governor Bill Richardson betrayed the Clintons or not, one thing is surely true, Ambassador Guerra Mondragon did that for certain and in a despicable manner. In a short conversation with the Guerra Mondragon I noticed a lack of enthusiasm and commitment; and I told some other campaign staff and political folks about it that dismissed my comments as reading too much into it.

The difference between Richardson and Guerra Mondragon is vast. Richardson was not disloyal to the Clintons. Truthfully, he owed no loyalty to President Clinton, let alone Senator Clinton. The problem with Gov. Richardson stems from his delay in providing an endorsement; something John Edwards is doing as well. It isn't hard to figure out that these politicians are being, well, politicians... duh! Richardson and Edwards want a vice-president slot, that's for certain. Edwards is being smarter, waiting to make sure the tide does not turn against his favor. Richardson couldn't wait any longer, and burst, literally. In his explanation he said how hard of a decision it was, but he also felt the need to mention that his conversation with Senator Clinton was a heated one (though he wouldn't divulge the conversation itself, as if the comment hadn't been enough to create judgment). So Richardson's decision can be summoned up like this: He moved in the direction the wind blew, but forgot that the wind changes directions when least expected). Now he must stick to Obama, and will have to take the consequences of his flawed decision.

Now, back to Ambassador Guerra Mondragon. He claims to have been disillusioned with the campaign since the South Carolina primary; yet he continued to work in the campaign at the highest echelons and fundraising for the campaign. A decision to defect a campaign is worked over time and not something that happens overnight. Guerra Mondragon continued to feign loyalty when in truth he was undermining the Clinton campaign and infecting other people with his own "disillusionment". That attitude is reflected in Puerto Rico; people here feel that the Clinton campaign has no interest in Puerto Rico, aside from votes, and that no action is being taken. The truth is that the campaign has great support in Puerto Rico, but people like Guerra Mondragon have squashed the efforts to make that support more visible.

He stated that he will try to convince people that he managed to get to donate to the Clinton campaign to now do the same for Senator Obama. I hope that when he reaches these contributors he realizes that he has made a mistake for which he will be held accountable.

If the Obama campaign continues to surround itself with the likes of Richardson and Guerra Mondragon, soon it will be a group of backstabbing politicians that will do anything to reach their goals- even to the point of knocking down those that have given them support.

Why is Hussein Obama self-destructing now? Why did he make the bigoted remark against small towns and the good hard working people who live there? He really does appear to have learned a lot from that racist preach Jeremiah Mugabe Wright.

It is a national discrace that Obama was never vetted properly. If the bolshevik and marxist media had vetted Obama the masses of Americans would have known a year ago what they are discovering everyday now - Obama is an obamanation. He has ties to black racists, Farakkhan, Liberation Theology, US terrorists. He could not heal a scratch. Electing him would be like electing the Devil Himself.

A business warning I learned long ago has always held true. When the financial people start leaving a company, the writing really is on the wall.

Why? They know the inside information, first hand. You can argue that the rats always leave a sinking ship - but that speaks to the wisdom of the rat, not the idea of desertion.

And so it begins...

Carl Wrote:

I don't want a Democratic nominee that wins by cheating and lying. HILLARY AND YOU NUT JOBS NEED TO STOP COUNTING MICHIGAN, IT MAKES OUR WHOLE PARTY LOOK LIKE MORONS.

You Noticed that too Huh? ;~)

This has been order to go to hearing in Novemeber 2008 since Hillary was running for President she has been remove from this case by a California Judge.

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Bill and Hillary To Face Fraud Trial
February 20, 2008
While Hillary Clinton battles Barack Obama on the campaign trail, a judge in Los Angeles is quietly preparing to set a trial date in a $17 million fraud suit that aims to expose an alleged culture of widespread corruption by the Clintons and the Democratic Party.

At the conclusion of a hearing Thursday morning before California Superior Court Judge Aurelio N. Munoz, lawyers for Hollywood mogul Peter F. Paul will begin seeking sworn testimony from all three Clintons - Bill, Hillary and Chelsea - along with top Democratic Party leaders and A-list celebrities, including Barbra Streisand, John Travolta, Brad Pitt and Cher.

Paul's team hopes for a trial in October. The Clinton's longtime lawyer David Kendall, who will attend the hearing, has declined comment on the suit.

The Clintons have tried to dismiss the case, but the California Supreme Court, in 2004, upheld a lower-court decision to deny the motion.

Bill Clinton, according to the complaint, promised to promote Paul's Internet entertainment company, Stan Lee Media, in exchange for stock, cash options and massive contributions to his wife's 2000 Senate campaign. Paul contends he was directed by the Clintons and Democratic Party leaders to produce, pay for and then join them in lying about footing the bill for a Hollywood gala and fundraiser.

The Clintons' legal counsel has denied the former president made any deal with Paul. But Paul attorney Colette Wilson told WND there are witnesses who say it was common knowledge at Stan Lee Media that Bill Clinton was preparing to be a rainmaker for the company after he left office.

Paul claims former Vice President Al Gore, former Democratic Party chairman Ed Rendell and Clinton presidential campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe also are among the people who can confirm Paul engaged in the deal.

Paul claims Rendell directed various illegal contributions to the DNC and Hillary Clinton's campaign and failed to report to the Federal Election Commission more than $100,000 given for a Hollywood event for Gore's campaign and the Democratic National Committee in 2000. McAuliffe, Paul says, counseled him in two separate meetings to become a major donor to Hillary Clinton to pave the way to hire her husband. Paul asserts top Clinton adviser Harold Ickes also directed him to give money to the Senate campaign but hid that fact in "perjured testimony" during the trial of campaign finance director David Rosen.

Rosen was acquitted in 2005 for filing false campaign reports that later were charged by the FEC to treasurer Andrew Grossman, who accepted responsibility in a conciliation agreement that fined the campaign 35,000. Paul points out the Rosen trial established his contention that he personally gave more than $1.2 million to Clinton's campaign and that his contributions intentionally were hidden from the public and the Federal Election Commission.

Rosen, accused of concealing Paul's in-kind contribution of more than $1 million, was acquitted, but Paul contends the Clinton staffer was a scapegoat. Paul points out chief Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told the Washington Post he was aware of the donation, yet he never was called as a witness in the Rosen trial.

Paul contends his case will expose "the institutional culture of corruption embraced by the Clinton leadership of the Democratic Party," which seeks to attain "unaccountable power for the Clintons at the expense of the rule of law and respect for the constitutional processes of government."

The complaint asserts Clinton has filed four false reports to the FEC of Paul's donations in an attempt to distance herself from him after a Washington Post story days after the August 2000 fundraiser reported his past felony convictions. Clinton then returned a check for $2,000, insisting it was the only money she had taken from Paul. But one month later, she demanded another $100,000, to be hidden in a state committee using untraceable securities.

"Why wouldn't that cause someone to inquire?" Paul asked. "Especially since it was days after she said she wouldn't take any more money from me."

Paul has the support of a new grass-roots political action group that is helping garner the assistance of one of the nation's top lawyers

Republican activist Rod Martin says his group plans to highlight Paul's case as it launches an organization based on the business model of the left-wing MoveOn.org but rooted in the principles and political philosophy of former President Reagan.

Martin's group also is assisting in Paul's complaint to the FEC asserting that unless the agency sets aside the conciliation agreement and rescinds immunity granted the senator, it will "have aided and abetted in the commission" of a felony.

Paul's case is the subject of a video documentary largely comprised of intimate "home movies" of Hillary Clinton and her Hollywood supporters captured by Paul during

BMR-Pittsburg-Day Late, but better than Obama!

The Bona Fide Exec. I was referring to, was NONE other than Senator John McCain.

Albeit, St. Mitt Romney, the Patron Saint of Distressed Business Owners, is ALSO an Executive of Impressive Stature! :-)

See, the Executive Branch was labeled that for General George Washington.

AS, a COMMISSIONED Officer, with the Additional Commission of Commander in Chief, the Commissioning Delegates "Executive" Rank! ;~)

Ever consider the Logistics involved in Military Exercises? :-)

JakeD wrote
"I agree with Carson -- Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon sounds like a whiny Loserman to me -- besides, what's wrong with the Democrats "just bleeding each other out"?

P.S. Hillary DIANE Clinton has already passed Barack HUSSEIN Obama in total popular votes (if you count Florida and Michigan ; )"

Jake D GET OVER IT!
Yes we have heard that if you count Florida and Michigan Hillary has more votes, but you can't count these states because that would be cheating and Hillary would be breaking an agreement she signed to remove her name from the ballot in Michigan. I have had enough lying and cheating from g bush. I don't want a Democratic nominee that wins by cheating and lying. HILLARY AND YOU NUT JOBS NEED TO STOP COUNTING MICHIGAN, IT MAKES OUR WHOLE PARTY LOOK LIKE MORONS.

Why are people so bitter toward each other? are we all Americans and care about the elections process and this country?

JD is a Republican , facts and truths and reality do not matter , they make up their own . Proof a person can be college educated ( he claims ) but still be a nonsensical lunatic like our college educated fearless leader Bush who never even mastered basic English.

Maggie, I don't know where you get your information regarding Barack and the delegate situation but he wants the Florida delegates to be seated in a fair way. You should be complaining to the DNC not to Barack. That's simple stupidity to complain to Barack. He's not in charge of the Democratic rules. Hillary agreed to the same rules. She said so and you can find her words on several YouTube videos that show her point blank saying that she supported the rules. We don't need a Clinton dynasty in the White House. Hillary has a terrible track record when it comes to her integrity. That's a HUGE issue with American voters as the national polls show most cannot trust her. It's pretty insane to think that people would trust a person who uses lies and half-truths in order to get elected. That is powerful evidence as to her hunger for power and her blind ambition.

Giving money to Clinton now does absolutely nothing but allow her campaign to "repay" her "loan."

I guess as PT Barnum famously opined, there are suckers born every minute.

SHAME ON YOU HILLARY CLINTON FOR NOT PUTTING ANY OF YOUR $100 MILLION INTO YOUR OWN CAMPAIGN.

Choice is what makes mankind social animals, and Guerra-Mondragon has made his choice above all odds. Please don't kill him because of his humble choice!
Ras

Guerra-Mondragon was smart to jump ship to Obama. Not only because of the delegate math but because Hillary Clinton is a liar and she also cheats. She agreed to the rules of the DNC but when things started going away from her inevitable lead she cried foul and had a fit. She's a spoiled brat who is the real elitist. I can't vote for a liar and someone who will do virtually anything to be elected including dividing the African Americans, most of whom will never carry her if she is the nominee after she and Bill's track record over the past several weeks. She ultimately cares only about one person and that's Hillary.

JakeD - DREAM ON IN YOUR CAVE! There is NO COUNTING FL AND MI! It ain't gonna happen! Get it? They disqualified themselves! Bush got Jeb to STEAL the votes for him in FL 2004, but that is NOT happening this year since Jeb is no longer in charge and BUSHCO is a LAME DUCK or should I say a LAME F**K? So JakeD, get a wake up from your cave dreams!

JakeD. Obama was on the tampa tv before the primaries .saying he would find a way to seat the delegates .But seeing he did not win like every thing else he has said that comes back to haunt him he backtracks as for the delagates not being counted in Fla,that is the rule that dnc made ,Whohas the right to take the voters rights away no one every American has the right to vote

If Hillary agreed to the terms from the beginning, why does she want to go back on her word now?

I see that JakeD has found a new family to annoy...

He was a regular idiot over at Think Progress until they finally banned him.

He just says random stuff in order to get attention, and ruin the threads. Most of his TP posts were abusive of Democrats and liberals in general, and very supportive of Bush.

Good luck posters. He's rabid.

Michigan and Florida never mattered in the past democratic primaries. Their voices were never used to decide the outcome of who gets selected as the democratic candidate in the past. Therefore for Hillary to create this big fiasco now about getting those votes counted is absurd. This is after the two states broke the rule. Michigan, Florida, Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina and a whole bunch of other states didn't get to decide on the republican candidate either since McCain has already cinched the nomination. So why should anybody worry about it right now. Just follow the game rules as set for this election primaries by the DNC. That is the only sane way to do it. Hillary and her camp want to disenfranchise the party and give all boost to mcCain, since she is a sore loser.

Middle Names and 'Elitist' rap

jake D (besides being an in idiot) is going bck to the well on the middle name row. tellingly, he leaves out gramps McSame:

John Sidney McCain III

No wonder he was enscounced in an exclusive, expensive, NoVA, segregated, all-male (move over Larry Craig), private boarding school for his middle an dHS years! If he had gone to a public school in the 50's with an elitist name like that he would have gotten his ass kicked, BIG time.

just so ya 'know'
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P.S. Hillary DIANE Clinton has already passed Barack HUSSEIN Obama in total popular votes (if you count Florida and Michigan ; )

Posted by: JakeD

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It is because of people like Guerra-Mondragon who have no loyalty and are only trying to stick to a party mentality that this country is so screwed up!
I could never abandon someone I believed in no matter what I felt he or she was doing to the "party". What's more important here, getting the right candidate or trying to hedge your bets and be on the "winning" side? To also announce this so soon after Clinton's big PA win, makes even less sense! Guerra-Mondragon belongs in the Obama camp. His ethics coincide more with Obama's than Clinton's.

We really need re-votes in Florida and Michigan. It's the only fair way to decide this. They are two very important states and unless they are structured to count, Dems are going to continue to be divided.

If Obama wins them, he is the nominee. If Hillary wins them, she is likely the nominee.

Most likely, they would pave the way for a Clinton-Obama ticket and Democratic unity.

Any person with a brain could not count the popular vote of at least Michigan since Obama wasn't even on the ballot. Hillary supports are really grasping at straws now.

YES WE CAN DIVIDE AMERICA! OBAMA '08!!!!

hilary is one of the biggest liars in this country.... just ask new york voters.
she told them she would create jobs jobs jobs and more jobs-- new york has the highest unemployment in the country.. hows that for lying hilary.
also remember hilarys trial is coming up soon/
the paul vs hilary trial-- she could be charged for perjury and fraud... just one example of the many disasters she would bring to the white house.
same ole same ole
you know bill clinton was impeached, and discarred and still would not leave the white house. and remember hilary stole over 190 million dollars worth of art paintings and furniture from the white house when she left in the 90.s.
washington had to sue her to get some of it back...........

How can people STAND themselves after betraying a friendship and a trust? It's not just about elections in this life...

It IS about building ties and friendships and being the best we can be.

Great friends politicians make. Misogyny. Plain and simple.

Paul V Clinton

Hillary unveiled for all to see...

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=7007109937779036019

from Bay Buchanan's book, Extreme Makeover, pg. 32,

The Personality

"Jean Houston became a close advisor of Hillary's, and on numerous occasions she stayed at the Whine House for days at a time. She worked with Hillary through therapy sessions designed to help the First Lady reach her full human potential. Part of the therapy, often called "channeling," included guiding Hillary in conversations with the dead--Eleanor Roosevelt and Mahatma Gandhi to be precise.

Houston understood firsthand the value of this exercise. In a 1989 conference she told a crowd of 6,000 she had contacted the Hindu goddess Sarasvati while meditating on the Ganges River in India.

In his book The Choice, Bob Woodward writes that one day, after finishing up a discussion with Eleanor, "Houston asked Hillary to carry on a conversation with Mahatma Gandhi, the Hindu leader, a powerful symbol of stoic denial. Talk to him, Houston said. What would you say and what would you ask?" And Hillary did. "It was a strong personal outpouring," Woodward reported. Gandhi's response went unreported.

While Woodward refers to Houston as Hillary's "spiritual advisor," the First Lady refutes it in her book, instead calling Houston a dynamic, witty, and knowledgeable woman who was great medicine for "anyone in need of a good laugh." Hillary has a point here. Tell me to talk to the dead and I'd fall over laughing."

Yes, we all like a good laugh.

But maybe not for President.

Now we have Nuclear Hillary.

This is considerably more serious than " I shot a banded duck once when I was first lady in Arkansas." This is dangerous and frightening to say the least. That 3 AM phone call is looking more and more ominous.

Iran: Clinton says U.S. would "obliterate" them

Not a gaffe, per se, but certainly a comment that pricked the ears of the foreign policy community. Clinton warns Iran before the Pennsylvania primary:

Clinton further displayed tough talk in an interview airing on "Good Morning America" Tuesday. ABC News' Chris Cuomo asked Clinton what she would do if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons.

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran," Clinton said. "In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."

ABC also points out that the rhetoric contradicts earlier statements by Clinton not to engage in hypothetical speculation.

My question is: What if her intelligence is as faulty as Dick Cheney and George Bush's was?

"Oops: I just "obliterated" 71,000,000 men, women, and children by mistake." "Guess I better get out of the kitchen. It's getting pretty hot in here."

Please, ladies and gentlemen. No more Clinton drama in the White House. Our country and the rest of the world will be a better place with them back in their estate in Chappaqua, New York. Bill can even get a maid to do the housework for him.

From Australia live news.com

New Zealand becomes a gaffe-magnet to Hillary Clinton

More gaffes from US presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton.

In an interview with Newsweek, she describes Helen Clark as a former prime minister of New Zealand.

The comment came after Mrs Clinton was asked to tell a joke.

"Here's a good one," she said.

"Helen Clark, former prime minister of New Zealand: her opponents have observed that in the event of a nuclear war, the two things that will emerge from the rubble are the cockroaches and Helen Clark."

In the same interview she claimed her parents named her after Sir Edmund Hillary.

In fact, she was born more than five years before the mountaineer climbed Mount Everest.

Commentators in the US have noticed Clinton has a phrase for her gaffes: she says she "misspoke".

That was the case after she said she had flown into Bosnia in 1996 under sniper fire.

Gennifer, is that really you? See you in the White House....

Here is Hillary trying to impress a journalist with her insider knowledge of current events. It turned out to be a major gaffe but was not reported by the so called " liberal press."

Hillary:

"Here's a good one," she said. "Helen Clark, former prime minister of New Zealand: her opponents have observed that in the event of a nuclear war, the two things that will emerge from the rubble are the cockroaches and Helen Clark."

While only barely qualifying as a joke--usually these are funny--Clinton's quip did pass muster as something slightly less mirthful: a diplomatic gaffe. It wasn't so much comparing a former prime minister to an indestructible arthropod that sent the New Zealand press into a tizzy after Karen's interview appeared in this week's mag. It was the fact that Helen Clark is still, you see, the prime minister of New Zealand. LOL.

Needless to say, the citizens in New Zealand are not too amused at Queen Hillary's attempt at humor.

Republican Man: You are right, but go back to the GOP blogs...Obama is going to rule your party.....

On average, each delegate selected in caucus states represents less than 2000 actual voters, whereas in primary states the ratio is more like 10,000 voters per delegate. So to anyone complaining about it being "undemocratic" to let super delegates override "the will of the people", that is nothing but hogwash. One delegate from a caucus state has as much clout at the convention as one delegate from a primary state in spite of the fact that he or she got to the convention with far less voter support. Now I would say those are the real super delegates. Obama won all but one of the caucus states and he won them with a great deal of help from activist caucus goers using some pretty strongarm tatics. I have read more than one account of Clinton supporters coming away from the caucuses with tears in their eyes after being manhandle by these rogues. So let's not kid ourselves, this is not a "democratic" primary process. If it was, then the millions of voters in Michigan and Florida that the Obama-ites are quite happy to ignore would have their voices counted. Furthermore, early on, when more super delegates were supporting Clinton, Obama's "machine" ( a play on Big Eddie's fondness for using this derogatory term when mentioning the Clinton campaign team on his national talk radio show) insisted that these super delegates follow the will of the people in their states, i.e., come out for Obama. Well low and behold, if anyone checked recently, there are more super delegates in the states that Clinton won than Obama won, so I guess the Obama "machine" is right, those super delegates should be forced to vote for the candidate that the voters of their states went for.

Republican Man: You make too much sense; however, any Demo can beat your man.....

"You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)" - jacksmith

Did she? When did a failure become an achievement worthy as a credential for a presidential candidate?

I pity you, jacksmith.

Thanks for the misspelled words?
Why can't we just say the N word. No would wants that shown around the world, Gods forbid. We are all a bunch of Asses. You hug Black children, but I find it false and Phony. Jump while you can Senator Clinton, and let the world move on and show what the American simple folk can do.

Who would win the nominee? you gays.

Wow, as a McCain supporter, we do not want Obama to run against us and we can beat Hillary easily. Goodness, though, Clinton supporters, your logic is nuts.

I feel sorry for these Clinton supporters, as much as we want to run against her, these claims are pathetic ("We are ahead in the popular vote"; "Just seat the Florida and Michigan delegates"). Florida and Michigan do not count, period. She is behind in Presidential Polls and behind Obama in the delegates (and cannot catch up). I hate this reality, but Jesus, wake up people. As someone who scopes Demo. blogs, I must admit as a McCain person that the logic of these Clinton supporters is blind (throw some water on your face of something). We want to run against her, but, the handwriting is on the wall.......Please support the GOP

"That is the problem, it's not about loyalty to a candidate, it's about loyalty to the people." - Anonymous April 25, 2008 10:45 PM

Well said by a real patriot.

Why can't we just say the N word. And no would want one, Gods forbid. We are all a bunch of Asses. Jump while you can Senator Clinton, and let the word rejuvenate.

To: jennifer potenciano | April 26, 2008 12:14 AM

Dream on!!

JakeD, when Eric said "1 person election", he was referring to the Michigan primary where Hillary was the only candidate on the ballot.

Your calculations include assumptions - "Assuming Hillary can win the DNC Credentials Committee vote to seat those delegates".

With your assumption, your final figures cease to be factual.

Elections are not won witgh assumptions.

mr. guera-mondragon, just wait till i demolish your argument that you jumped (clinton's) ship because you say obama is leading the democrats' nominating race.

just wait, & then you'll declare war against yourself for your not-so-prescient, non-analytic, myopic sizing up of hillary's historic campaign for the u.s. presidency.

then you can weep for your irrational decision.

watch for it--soon.

Do you mean the same Michigan and Florida that Hillary Clinton clearly stated "counted for nothing"?...Oh, no, wait that was back in January, when she was ahead.

How many times does this CHILD need the rules changed? She's like a 5 year old playing her first game of checkers.

Actually, given the way she's mangled her own campaign, comparing her would be an insult to 5 year olds everywhere. Sorry Kids.

I agree with the folks that point out that this is about the American people and NOT Hillary Clinton. Time for her to put aside her campaign and show her ability to pull the American people together behind the Democratic candidate; Obama.

Folks pledging not to vote for Obama are just hurting themselves ultimately because what it will mean is that we'll have more wars, more deaths, more jobs lost, and a supreme court that is entirely out of touch with the American people.

To the person, just golfing. Get your rear out there on the front line and Die. Leave your money for your children or grandchildren and a decent less stressful life style. I'm retired. We have lived my friend. Let our kids live to golf. Get your back end out and fight for your kids, although, probably don't have any.

Pls don"t let anybody to watch your on own house
specially your vesitor
love your mom

Pls don"t let anybody to watch your on own house
specially your vesitor

JakeD, with his usual tripe: "(if you count Florida and Michigan ; )"

Hah-hah. Wait a minute, isn't the reason they don't count in this election because Hillary, the presumed candidate at the time the decision was made, agreed that they shouldn't count?

But then she unexpectedly needed them, and she changed her mind. After everyone except her had withdrawn their names. Based on principle, I hear. She wasn't wrong to start with, she was always right, it's just that the truth suddenly changed around her, I guess.

That's so cute. That's so rich. Sigh . . . You have no self-respect or integrity at all, do you? Just a lot of spare time at the keyboard, and a monkey on your back, I guess.

Will the Clinton's please get out of race...both of them. We are doomed in our party if this does not end. Obama will win for our party and win in november.

Now that Bill and Hillary Clinton THINK they don't need African Americans to win the nomination or the White House, they have thrown them under the bus.

If you're not African American, don't think for one second that when they THINK they don't need you anymore that you won't be under the bus too.

Who needs a rat the jump ship the moment he thinks it's sinking. There are many disloyal people out there who once were helped by Clinton and then jumped ship the moment things get tough. He should be over there along with other ship jumpers. They deserve each other. For better or for worse, I am 100% with Clinton. The Clintons have done much good for the people, I am staying true with her - win or not. I hope she wins though.. Times like this is when she can find out who her real friends are. Bill Clinton sees his friends turn on him so quickly - he know get to see who is real friends are. LOYALTY LOYALTY LOYALTY....

Posted by: D.D. | April 25, 2008 9:01 PM

D.D.:

Will you join with me in pledging to NOT for vote Obama if he wins the Democratic nomination?

Posted by: JakeD
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That is the problem, it's not about loyalty to a candidate, it's about loyalty to the people.

What kind of person despises a politician when he acts on his conscience for his country's good instead of the good of his friend?

Vote for McCain or stay home. One will do more harm the other will not. It's your choice.

Unfortunately Hillary is bleeding more than support. She is bleeding Obama and the dems so that McCain will win and she will come back in 2012. The only problem with that plan is that country and party come last. But that never seems to trouble her. PATHETIC.

The larger issue is that the Clintons continue to bleed supporters as their campaign goes on, whether in waning poll numbers in every state, or former fundraisers and even cabinet members endorsing Senator Obama.

Senator Clinton's newest trick is to paint Obama as John Kerry, but John Kerry lost because people believed he was flip-flopping. Senator Clinton's stances on Iraq, Iran, NAFTA, bankruptcy and her husband and pollster's support of CAFTA will not inspire confidence.

She can be a great standard-bearer in the Senate, but only if she can begin to put the nation first, the party second, and herself third.

Jacksmith if you take out all that you credit her husband for, Hillary looks pretty thin on "experience."

Example: "If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable..."

THAT'S PATHETIC.

Anyone who saw Rev. Wright with Bill Moyer on PBS should have a different view of his "comments" than those offered by Faux News, et al.

Rodham has been eliminated, and not many care, other than her creditors.

Prediction: by April 1st 2009, she will have filed for divorce.

Effete Ivy-League Educated, Hopelessly Out of Touch Snob,

Elitist San Franciscan Latte Liberal...

You guys get my vote for best names!!! Good Job!!

jacksmith:

"If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience."

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LOL, ROFL, LMAO---> 35 years doing what, tea parties and crumpettes? Dodging sniper fire? Lying to our face? YOU might be an idiot. Too funny. Go McCain.

Well said, Elitist San Franciscan Latte Liberal. If HRC is the nomineee, I will hold my nose and vote for her too. The words "President McCain" make me ill.

jacksmith: Hillary gets boatloads of money from lobbyists, more than even Fossil McCain. Lobbyists that represent disgusting clients like Monsanto.

Back in 1993 Hillary failed miserably to get healthcare reform enacted because as usual she managed to alienate even members of her own party! Guess who benefited from her craptastic efforts? The Health Insurance Industry and HMO"s.

You are deluding yourself if you think a divider like Clinton is going to get anything done when she is elected. She can't even run a campaign without resorting to the most transparently twisted rationale for why she should even still be in this race. It's always "all abut her" and not about what is good for the Party.

She sucks. The only reason I would ever still vote for her in the general is the Supreme Court and the fact that McCain sucks even more.

The Clinton campaign is imploding. This is just the beginning. Reports out there that more like this are on the way. The end is near. Thank God!

OBAMA AIDE: "WORKING-CLASS VOTERS NOT KEY FOR DEMOCRATS" :-0

MY FELLOW "BITTER", STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE :-)

If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of "BITTER"!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don't die from. And I could go on, and on...

D.D.:

Will you join with me in pledging to NOT for vote Obama if he wins the Democratic nomination?

Who needs a rat the jump ship the moment he thinks it's sinking. There are many disloyal people out there who once were helped by Clinton and then jumped ship the moment things get tough. He should be over there along with other ship jumpers. They deserve each other. For better or for worse, I am 100% with Clinton. The Clintons have done much good for the people, I am staying true with her - win or not. I hope she wins though.. Times like this is when she can find out who her real friends are. Bill Clinton sees his friends turn on him so quickly - he know get to see who is real friends are. LOYALTY LOYALTY LOYALTY....

Hey Fred

Mucho pura mierda

Dear lorene1:

Your candidate HERSELF said in January AND February on NUMEROUS occasions that Florida and Michigan DO NOT COUNT. Just because integrity is meaningless to HER does not mean you have to follow suit.

She lost when she lost the trust of the majority of Democrats and is only hanging in there to destroy Obama's chances.

Get over it.

As we say in Latin America:

El beso de Judas!

Us, working class Latinos will never forsake the Clintons. They were good to us in the 90s and we remember!

mikey1:

If Florida and Michigan gets their delegates seated, guess what?

JustWondering:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war

lorene1:

1. Don't post your boring book.

2. Are you as paranoid as you seem?

3. Take your meds.

It would have been nice if this news broke before Geoff Garin posted his nonsense about "unfair" standards0 this morning.

I hate to gloat, but the Hillarites deserve it!

How can a person be 'pro-life' and 'pro-war' at the same time?

JakeD:

Newsflash: Popular vote doesn't matter. The delegates vote and its their votes that matter. Idiot.

To the people who keep insisting Obama didn't campaign in Fl. Yeah, he did - for 11 days. He said it was an accident that his national campaign ad ran there. His people also told voters in Michigan to vote "undecided" if they were for him. He got 45%, I think.

Clinton never campaigned in Florida and at least had the class to fly there and thank the people who did vote for her. There was nothing in the rules about having your name on the ballot. It was Obama's decision not to have his name there but Clinton and 4 other Dems decided they would. So what? Big damn deal.

Obama slams Clinton for taking money from energy companies but there was an article - buried in the back pages - in the San Francisco Chronicle (they back Obama) on 4/24/08 that read in part: "Sen. Barack Obama contionued accepting donations from oil company executives and employees in March even as he aired in which he stated to took no oil company money, campaign finance records show."

John Sirota (he backs Obama) said in the SF Chron 2/8/08, that Barack Obama was the "largest recipient of Wall Street and corporate donations of all the candidates".

In The Hill, a DC insider paper, - I don't have the date - it was reported that Barack Obama's campaign people were phoning lobbyists that had donated to the Clinton campaign and said that while they couldn't accept lobbyist money, they could accept money from lobbyist's wives.

Google Obama's years as a State Senator in Illinois. You'll find that he took plenty of lobbyist's money, including insurance co. money while the State was trying to pass a health care bill. He stated that he had "substantially changed the Bill that the House had passed because of legitimate concerns by Republicans and insurers that it might lead to a single payer health plan".

You'll also find that Obama has a kingmaker/Godfather by the name of Emil Jones, Jr., an extremely powerful (and under almost continuous investigation for corruption) black politician who put Obama's name on approx. 26 Bills so he would receive credit for them even though he never wrote them or did a minute's worth of work on them. That story is in several Chicago newspapers.

Obama said he was "never in the pew" when Rev. Wright made his outrageous comments, then said he was and did hear some of what he said but refuses to say exactly what. He also claims that Wright was taken out of context. Just exactly what context does "the US Govt invented the AIDs virus to commit genocide against African Americans" fit into?

After giving various and sundry answers as to why he stayed in the church for 20 years, during the debate, Obama once again professed ignorance of what his minister had said and replied that he'd "have left the Church if he'd known".

He said he barely knew Tony Rezko and had received only 45,000 - 60,000 then it turned out he lunched frequently, etc. with Rezko, their wives went out a lot together to fashion shows, etc. and that Rezko had actually given in excess of 1/4 million dollars to his campaign.

Obama has had this entire election handed to him on a silver platter starting with Emil Jones, Jr. and continuing on with MSNBC and CNN and the huge donations he's received from Wall Street, big corporations and the the energy companies. I've never seen a media gang-bang the likes of which Clinton is undergoing.

I was a John Edwards supporter and I wish there was some way he could have stayed in the race. The same thing happened to him as to Clinton. First he was totally ignored by the media then criticized for not dropping out when his wife's health took a turn for the worse.

Obama scares me to death. The thought of this spoiled, whiny and inexperienced man leading this Country is terrifying, particularly given the shape Bush is leaving us in. It's great that Obama can give a terrific speech, but as far as "change" goes, it's what every politician runs on. Most of them have other reasons, but so far I haven't heard from Obama what his are. Judging by his record in Illinois his way of dealing with Republicans is to "go along to get along".

As far as "the old Washington goes", they'll still be there - the same nasty, no hold barred Republicans that have been there since Clinton had to fight them. They're going to hit Obama like a ton of bricks and him complaining about "negativity" isn't going to cut it. I shudder to think of what will come out of Michelle Obama's mouth next. As for me, I'm going with Clinton. She's tough, she's been put through hell by the Republicans and came out stronger than ever. I'd much rather deal with the devil I know than the devil I don't and that would be Obama.

When he says "we're" going to change things, exactly what do you think he means? Think about it. There's no "we" about it. It's him and Michelle - period.

I read somewhere that MSNBC and NBC are owned either wholly or in a majority by some energy company that wants to build 26 nuclear power plants. Obama tried to pass a Bill that would allow building them but the Bill went nowhere because there were hardly any regulations put in place, including where they would dispose of spent nuclear rods. You know, the ones that stay dangerous for 1,000 years or more. Hopefully, someone will look this up and let us know what energy company this is and how much truth there was to the article I read a couple of weeks ago. I could kick myself for not saving it but there was so much stuff I was working on I never gave it a thought, expecting to see something in the news about it.

Clinton has made another Bosnia-size whopper about the Weathermen Pardons that is not being aggressively checked by the media. She says she knew nothing about the pardons her husband gave those people, despite the fact that the issue directly pitted the administration against a state in which she was campaigning to become Senator.

It's hard for any intelligent person to believe that Charles Schumer never once raised the issue with her, despite the fact that he fought so hard to stop the pardons AND despite the fact that subsequent politically questionable (hint: help Clinton win the Puerto Rican vote in New York) FALN pardons were so controversial that Congress effectively censured the President by votes of 311 and 95 in the House and Senate. She herself used the words, "freedom fighters" to describe people who had blown up NYPD officers with bombs in the 1980s as her husband was pardoning them yet she has the gall to go after Obama for Ayers.

The media has a double-standard and a vested interest in keeping this race going. Clinton has carried on being dishonest about very serious issues even after being caught out on Bosnia.

Yes, Seth Y, you keep telling yourself that (regardless of the fact that North Carolina has not voted for a Democratic President since LBJ!!!).

Hillary must prove that she can win over upscale whites, blacks, and young voters. That is why North Carolina will be a challenge for the senator. She must prove that she can extend her base beyond women, hispanics, and working class whites who are somewhat stigmatized by race. She must win North Carolina or she's out the race, period. No more gaming and moving the goal post.

LW and lorene1:

We'll see soon enough ; )

Not gonna waste your time, Nuffsaid (from YOUR post, above, at 6:16 PM):

"To all the people replying to JakeD -- don't waste your time. He is a Republican and has been trolling the WaPo comments section for a while now reminding all of us of Obama's middle name. If we ignore him, maybe he'll crawl back to the hole from whence he came."

Obama is going to have a tough time winning this election.

I'm ashamed to admit I didn't really know how caucuses worked until this election. It's just nuts. People who have to work, can't get a babysitter, are in the hospital, on vacation, disabled, etc. can't voice their opinions or register their votes in a caucus. Caucuses have left out over 4 million voters.

What sense does it make to brag about winning more delegates when a lot of those wins were in "red" states that will never go Democrat. People in Texas, interviewed on tv, said they were voting for Clinton or Obama in the primary but would vote Republican in the General Election.

If Obama had won in a "red" state against a Republican then I'd say he has a pretty good chance of winning but when you have just 2 Dems running against each other, if only 3 people vote, one of them has to win. So we're going to elect someone based on delegate counts when they won't they won't transfer into electoral votes.

The sole and only purpose of the Super Delegates is to vote for the person they feel has the best chance of winning the presidency. That's it! They are considered the "experts" and that's why they were created in the 1970's. Read up on them. It truly doesn't matter who has the most delegates or popular vote as far as they are concerned. Remember George McGovern and Richard Nixon? George was a nice guy and Nixon put the dirt in dirty but guess who won the Presidency? That's when the Super Delegates were formed - because of that very race.

Well, William, I think the reason Rush Limbaugh is promoting her is because he thinks he can make more money with another Clinton in the White House -- all your other questions are good, but basically irrelevant because she got more votes, regardless of voter intent -- I hope Operation CHAOS continues. Brokered Conventiion, here we come!!!

JakeD,

Haha, I see you saying "GO HILLARY!!!" in another WaPo article:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/25/obama_plans_may_general_electi.html

So seriously, who are you for? Do you just like to be a devil's advocate? Are you just a joke? Do you have integrity? What's your deal?

JakeD...You could be right but the REAL math doesn't support it. Strange things happens with the Democratic Party though. You're right about 1968...was my first election...and if this does go to a brokered convention, 1968 will have been a tea party.

With 99.51% of the vote counted in Pennsylvania Hillary Clinton received 1,238,232 (54.6%) votes and Barack Obama received 1,030,703 (45.4%), a "winning margin" for Clinton of 207,529 (9.2%) votes. But how many of Clinton's votes were actually phantom votes cast by John McCain supporters who will vote for McCain in November? How many McCain supporters decided to newly register as Democrats in Pennsylvania or purposely changed their existing Republican registration to Democrat specifically to vote for Clinton in the Democratic presidential primary and artificially boost her standing in hopes of causing trouble for the Democrats in accordance with Republican talk show host Rush Limbaugh's strategy of falsely promoting Hillary Clinton which he calls "Operation Chaos"?
This Republican strategy of trying to make Hillary Clinton's vote totals appear significantly larger than they really are and to possibly deny or at least delay the nomination of Barack Obama was operative previously in Texas, Ohio, and Mississippi, with one estimate of 40,000 phantom votes having been cast for Clinton in Mississippi by McCain supporters.
How many phantom votes were cast by McCain supporters in Pennsylvania?
According to the Philadelphia Enquirer, Pennsylvania Democrats have gained 326,756 voters since a year ago, and Pennsylvania Republicans have lost 73,009. A total of 3,060,835 million votes were cast in the Pennsylvania presidential primary April 22, 2008. If 100,000 of Clinton's votes were actually phantom votes cast by McCain supporters her purported winning margin of 9.2% would be nearly cut in half. If the number of phantom votes for Clinton turned out to be 207,529, the democratic primary election in Pennsylvania between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton would have actually been a tie.
Minus the phantom votes from McCain supporters, how many real votes did Hillary Clinton actually receive in Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania?
Conservative Republicans must be significantly concerned about the likely outcome of a November election between the two "nice guys", Senator John McCain who will then be 72 years old and Senator Barack Obama who will be age 47. Why else would they be seeking to promote their arch enemy Hillary Clinton by casting phantom votes for her?

Jake,

So what happened since Stanford old bean? Car accident?
Actually, skip it.

Talking to you reminds me of the movie Deliverance.

And if your from Stanford Law, then I'm Sigmund Freud. And my analysis is that you are approximately 13 years old (mentally), have never been with a woman, and are a meth addict. Bitter? Oh yeah. Rage, in a cage, of mediocrity.

The age might be off,

LW:

There's still a chance the Democrats give us a brokered convention -- you thought 1968 was a riot -- I grew up in a rural California hillbilly town, if that helps ; )

JakeD...LMAO..knew you had it in you...by the way, I am a rural California hillbilly from town of way less than 5000.

For rest of you with head still in sand...JakeD is right...IF it goes to convention, the Credentials Committee decides. But, I think it also has to have both candidates blessing. Really doesn't matter...will be over long before that. (sigh) too bad, would really have liked to see that ruckus.

Awesome: Obama launches a general election strategy.

Buh-bye Clinton.

Rob L.:

I graduated at the top of my class from Stanford Law School -- so, it seems you've got a strange way of selecting political candidates -- where did you get YOUR smarts? As I've posted several times (3:20 PM and 6:49 PM) I wouldn't vote for her in a million years. So, who exactly is the "stooge" again?

Emmanuel Winner:

How about we just agree that he has a 99% chance of winning the nomination and call it a day?

Morons like Jake D are why I'm a Obama supporter. I like smart.

He who supports the candidate with a 55% negative rating, and a 39% trustworthy rating, is a stooge.

goober:

I wasn't aware that San Diego, CA is a rural town of less than 5000 people (oh, that's right, it isn't). Careful, though, who you call out because Obama Mama on another thread is actually REALLY PROUD of her candidate's middle name ; )

WILL YOU CLINTONISTAS WAKE UP?! This is not about HER! It's about the United States and repairing the damage Bush has done to it! If you want more damage, go ahead and vote McCain, the Democratic Party has no use for you. But if you want change, begin with recognizing the Democratic Party is the only option you have. And yes, I'm sorry, but the Democratic nominee for president will be Barack Obama.

Fun facts:

Obama has a 9 point lead on Hillary in the RCP poll of polls. 49.9-40.9: It's over!
Obama is leading the NC polls by 15.5%. It's over!
Obama has 1726 delegates to Hillary's 1592- an insurmountable lead. It's over!
Hillary needs 80.2% of the remaining superdelegates to win. It's over!
Obama needs 26.7% of the remaining superdelegates to win. It's over!
Obama is only behind by 22 supers. Down from a hundred not too long back...
If Obama gets 59 more supers, Hillary is locked out.
If Obama gets 80 more Supers, he wins the nomination. Look for a big bloc to come out accordingly.

McCain does not stand a chance against Obama in November.

This Rezko, Ayres, and Wright thing is nothing, a pimple on an elephants ass, one that appeals only to the scared and ignorant, who tend to vote Republican anyway.

Obama 54%
McCain 44%

Write it down, enjoy the show.

Why are Hillary supporters so willing to change the rules mid-way. If the rules had been, winner takes all, then the candidates might have run VERY different campaigns. But they ran the campaigns they did on the basis of the rules they were given at the beginning. Do you people not realize what a lack of integrity that shows on your part? What if we played football games on that basis (we start off with one set of rules but change them so the losing team has a chance to win)? Would you honestly let that happen? If not, why would you even contemplate it in an election this important?