The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

Can there be timeout on all this ? The election is not about Obama and his associates. Surely there are real substantial issues that need to be addressed like the rising cost of fuels,alternative energy sources, global food crisis, housing crisis, banking crisis, pension crisis, tax rebates,world peace, global warming and climate change, desertification,pollution,ozone layer,agriculture, poverty,hunger, empty food shelves in Africa etc etc etc.
Barak is just living the American dream. What is wrong with that? Why do we like broken dreams more than fulfilled dreams/ Let the dream live on. Hope is a good thing there is nothing wrong with hope.
Peace to all and goodwill to all men . Errol Smythe.

I believe Hillary loves America and always has. I cannot say that about some of the other's family.
This is what I am looking for. A proud American. If they do not like it why don't they go to another country and see how far they get sounding off. They won't last long in most of the other countries.

When we think of the candidates for the Democratic Party, I found it a little amusing and disturbing at where some have positioned their Lane County headquarters. Here is how our local free weekly paper, Eugene Weekly, described their locations.

"It's not just candidates coming through town for a quick speech anymore; the presidential campaigns have come to Eugene and they're setting up shop. Just across from Kinko's on Willamette lies Barack Obama's new headquarters. And Springfield is the home for Hillary Clinton's newly opened local campaign office for Lane County, located across the street from Club 1444 (a "gentlemen's club"), a 60-day loan shop and a panaderia on Main Street.
Clinton's office is one of six offices statewide. The white painted square cinderblock building at 1441 Main boasts in its front window a series of red, white and blue yard signs and white poster board signs drawn with markers emblazed with slogans such as "Honk for Hillary."
The building shares a parking lot with Goodfella Lounge and the EZ Boy Mattress factory. Along that section of Main Street are aging trailer parks, cheap motels and little used lots encircled by barbed wire-topped chain link fencing...."

This might explain why she has the so called "blue collar" support. It does make me wonder if Bill picked out the location:-}
Here is a link to the story http://www.eugeneweekly.com/2008/04/24/news2.html

I hope that it will get some to pause and to think of the two of these candidates on the more obscure issues. For myself I ask, "Why would a women that is running to be the 1st "women" POTUS have her county headquarters in such a location? Living in this area I know of much more suitable locations that would not stare at the belittling of women by being next to a strip club."

I am a 40ish mixed ethnical background, blonde hair blue eyes woman, guess who has my vote!

If Sen. Clinton were sincere, she would concede that the reasons for the no-moderators is because Sen. Obama is rightly concerned about getting unfairly mugged like he did in the ABC Philly debate.

She ate it up, so no more debates/no free media is her dessert. Obama's running out the clock, that's the bottom line, and running out the clock means, don't give your opponent opportunities to score points.

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK
Hillary can manage anything including education rather than someone with title of professor.

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TO THE PERSON WHO WROTE THE ABOVE MESSAGE!

Kindly remember Mr Ayres the terrorist bomber is a professor.

You should not put Obama in his class he is only his friend.

In case no one has noticed, the Pastor closed the deal last night.

Hillary will be nominated, because she believes we are ALL AMERICANS.

But the Pastor that mentored Obama says we are DIFFERENT.
He maybe right too, I know I am not like Ayres or Rezko or Farakhan or Michelle Obama. Good Lord imagine these people in charge of the White House.

Hillary is light years ahead of Obama in policies and brains. It is sad that those who don't like her are so full of hate they must be really sad people.

I don't think Obama is fit or able to be the President, but I don't hate him.
I just wish he would go back to Illinois and sort out the Chicago killings and show us he can do something.

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N E O C O N S

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Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Buchanan,
Joe Lieberman, Rubert Murdoch, Dick Cheney, Carl Rove.......

William (Bill) Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard and prime pusher of invading Iraq re: Hillary Clinton:

"I like to be on Hillary's side"

"She is a good candidate"

"I am with her. I am with her"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352785,00.html

jack idiot smith

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK
Hillary has 35 years of experience doing anything presidential

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK
Hillary can fix an economy on the verge of collapse when she cant manage a presidential campaign or pay the vendors she has promised money to.

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK
Hillary can provide health care when all her attempts in the past have failed

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK
Hillary can get America out of two wars better than Obama when she already wants to annihilate Iran

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK
Hillary can manage anything including education rather than someone with title of professor.

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK
If you think Hillary's so called 8 years of experience at the right hand of Bill ( apart from when dodging sniper fire, hosting tea parties with dignitaries and other leaders wives or when Monica was in the oval office) will make her a better leader than a man who graduated top of his class at Harvard when Hillary couldn't even pass the bar exam.

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK
That trying something new is a better idea than staying with the same old lying cheating and stealing that has accompanied the previous Clinton presidency

And lastly jack smith the idiot I do believe republicans are voting for Hillary because they think McCain will eat her in the general.

Whoops one last thing jack idiot smith
Your are an idiot
And please get a new slogan its starting to sound kinda idiotic you idiot

JACK SMITH KING OF THE IDIOTS

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The DNC didn't want my vote in the the primary...they sure as hell not getting it in November....I only hope every democrat in Michigan and Florida feels the same.

Weekend Development on Obama Watch

* Obama is scared of debates..

* Obama calls his supporters Chablis drinking limosine liberals, so every group has a title ( better than bitter and clinging to guns and religion )

* Obama pushed MLK under the train by comparing King's speeches to Rev Wright's speeches as similar.

* Obama thrashed a bunch of high school kids in basketball, not caring for their feelings, just because he cannot bowl

* Obama insulted the marines by wearing a USMC T shirt. Has he ever served anywhere, even ROTC. Even Bush has certificates to prove he served

* Obama insults his liberal supporters and moveon.org by appearing on FOX

All these just for the weekend.

Someone ask:
"Why should Obama waste valuable campaign time with a mud-slinger like Clinton?"

Do you prefer he hang out with Wright?

Obama snores and farts, note.

To Shirley and anybody else gullible enough to buy her gossip, follow this link and get your stories straight: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/landlord.asp
Long story short, no rent by the Secret Service and these attacks and fairytales don't meet the needs of informing people.
If Obama feels that there is no need to debate because he fears the repetition of the infantile questions from the last round, this is his solution. He himself has pointed out that the two candidates hold very similar votes. If he believes that, then he should also realize that this is the very reason to have such a debate.
The voters need to understand that there are differences, what those differences are, and that this is not a flip of a coin decision.
In the mean time, attacking one and other here on this post and writing horrid things about either of the candidates (particularly making them out as truths when they are bold faced LIES) is getting none of us any closer to our goals.
I won't vote for Obama because:
1) He is too young for this office - almost all of our presidents under the age of 50 have had affairs or sex scandals
2) He does not have enough legislative experience at the national level, including house committees and issues
3) He does not have enough prior work history working for the people of this country outside of the inner cities
4) He does not have the ability to express himself well in a debate or conversation and seems able to do so only when not interrupted or during his sermons
5) He switches manners when expressing himself to different audiences, much as Oprah Winfrey does - not content, but delivery. The blacker the audience, the blacker the presentation delivery. This is insulting considering he was not raised in a black american household (so it's learned acting) and it is down right patronizing to his listeners
6) He is insulting in his dismissal of "non-believers" as being people in boxes beyond his reach who refuse to learn or grow or accept anything new while clinging to those things that they do know
7) He does not have a history of building political bridges; his history is of voting the party line - he is a lemming and a red herring and is being used by the DNC to get the black vote away from the GOP
8) His response to an attack on our allies is to make his displeasure known; he's already given them the "Advance to Go" if elected
9) Nobody in this country knows what kind of a leader this man will turn out to be because he has never been solely responsible for the final word in any city or state and often votes "present" on the difficult issues
10) Somebody has to counterbalance the unthinking acceptance of something new as better by the inexperienced youth, the militant middleage crazies, and the unthinking loyalist black vote

Enough is enough. I am tired of debates. we have had enough of them. Please candidates just go out there and talk to the voters in the states with upcoming primaries.

Maggie...
Did you go to church today?

If you want to add another name to Obama Hatim El Hady,he was the head of Kindhearts charity that the fbi closed because he was giving money to the terriost I read this in the IL.Tribune the other day so now you have him Will Ayers ,Wright, Louis Farrakhan.About the debates there was 21 but only 4 between the two of them

MRS Clinton says: 'I think that would be good for the Democratic Party'

I am sure that is her reason, not the free television time, or the fact that if Senator Obama is involved she will be seen by more people than the pathetic liar can draw herself. If she has any interest in the good of the party she would exit, and though too late to do so gracefully, at least she would be gone.

I would rather learn if there is any thing to the claims about Sen Clinton's abuse of Arkansas state troopers than spend 45+ more minutes watching tired old guilt through association charges being pitched at Obama by Clinton. Scandal is more "fun" than watching McCarthy look alike re-runs.

Most of all I would like to hear what the candidates are actually doing about our loss of jobs and reduced hours. The last time one of them promised lots of new jobs, nothing happened except maybe fewer jobs.

A person who didn't care about fairness or rules could take an unmoderated debate and keep the other person on the defensive. I wouldn't trust Hillary in a debate like this for anything. Obama has shown himself to have more honor in matters like these. He wouldn't say; "Why did you lie about snipers, Hillary?" Just as an aside, the Lincoln-Douglas debates weren't actually debates at all; but, a series of 45 minute speeches. I have a feeling Hillary wouldn't like to go against Obama speech against speech. And why did Lincoln and Douglas have so many debates, Hillary? Because there was no TV--that was the only way to get their messages out. More people have seen Obama and Clinton on TV in one debate than saw Lincoln and Douglas in their entire careers.

In the words of DC SOooooo

"Congressman Clyburn calls Bill Clinton a racist. Has he ever commented on Michelle Obama or Rev Wright. CLYBURN ,CRYBABY, and his ilk needs to CHILL OUT. IT is racism when 92 % vote by color...

Posted by: | April 27, 2008 3:30 PM"

Congressman Clyburn calls Bill Clinton a racist. Has he ever commented on Michelle Obama or Rev Wright. CLYBURN ,CRYBABY, and his ilk needs to CHILL OUT. IT is racism when 92 % vote by color...

Senator Clinton asks the question: "Why can't he (Senator Obama) close the deal?" We should all be asking her why SHE hasn't closed the deal! She claimed it would all be over and she'd be the candidate after Iowa!

Senator Clinton talks about her "experience". However, it should be noted that while describing that experience, her detailed account (on numerous occasions) about running across a tarmac under sniper fire in Bosnia wasn't "experience", it was a blatant lie. It was a lie that she told over and over again--even after she was caught on video! Once the video was unveiled, she lied some more, and when that didn't work, she claimed she was tired; she claimed she misspoke. Tell me what happens if she's tired and misspeaks when she answers the phone at 3:00 a.m.?

She talks about how Senator Obama is an elitist who demeans us. Lying to the American people and then laughing and shrugging her shoulders when caught in the headlights of a video and expecting that it wouldn't make any difference to the American people demeans us all. President Clinton did the same thing while he was President--he lied to us with incredible ease--but he's a good guy, right? He can lie all he wants as long as he's charming and knows how to crack a joke.

There are over 4000 soldiers who are DEAD! They've been slaughtered. They are never coming home. Senator Clinton voted for us to go to that war and didn't have the guts to admit that she was wrong.

Barack Obama voted NO to the war. Period.

Senator Clinton talks about how she gets the work done and all Senator Obama does is use words. Where's all this work she claims to be doing and how's she communicating all of that to us? What significant work did she do in 35 years? How did she do it? Surely not with words! And if her Washington experience is the answer, then tell me why our country is a complete mess when we've been voting for and relying on "experienced Washington leaders" for years?

Senator Clinton's "experience" has taught her how to twist the truth and manipulate our thoughts and hopes, to fill us with fear, and to use ridicule to humiliate her opponent at every possible opportunity. What kind of person does these things so easily and so willingly, all in an effort to win? It reminds me of the people who cheat and then claim they've won.

The media brings up the Rev. Wright business over and over again. How many people in the media who bombard their cable television audiences with sound bites and who write their vicious commentaries, and how many Americans after hearing this stuff over and over again, took the time to watch the Bill Moyers' interview with Rev. Wright? For all those of us who did watch it, we now know that we've been subjected to a blitz of horrible lies and manipulation with respect to Rev. Wright since "day one". I can't believe the amount of hatred and vitriol that is spewed by our wonderful "Christian" American people against Barack Obama because of his minister. How many of these righteous people have taken the time to listen to any of Rev. Wright's sermons or have bothered to research the good work his church has been doing?

Do you really think Senator Clinton goes out bowling and chugs down boilermakers at the local bar? Or cleans her shotgun and goes out shooting ducks for recreation? The Clintons have 109 million American Dollars! They did their best to keep that from the American public for months and months and months. Maybe they were worried that we might think they were elitist!

The saddest thing of all is that we are so jaded and so used to being lied to, that for some of us it's easier to lower our standards or just give up and accept the ugly status quo. For some of us, it is too hard to believe that there could be a new, brilliant, strong, and better way to get things right for our beloved country. Americans are intelligent enough and love this country enough to work together--both parties, all people from every walk of life--to put an end to the things that are slowly destroying it. If we elect Senator Obama, we'll finally have a solid chance to make our country stronger and better than ever before. We're in desperate trouble. I hope with all my heart we don't lose this chance for real change.

I urge everyone to read Senator Obama's books, to listen to his speeches, to read and listen to the accounts of people who have worked with him, who know him, and have already witnessed his potential to become a remarkable leader. Among his many gifts are strength, humility, keen intelligence, patience, an unwillingness to play the dirty games of which his opponents are so adept; his deep love of America.

Senator Obama isn't perfect and he never claimed to be. He has told us that if he becomes our president, his cabinet will be comprised of honest intelligent people who won't be afraid to point out if they disagree with him. He has told us that he wants us to know what's going on, to have a real voice in how our country moves forward.

I guess if he doesn't get the candidacy that he has by most standards already won, it will be because he should have learned to lie.

Senator Clinton asks the question: "Why can't he (Senator Obama) close the deal?" We should all be asking her why SHE hasn't closed the deal! She claimed it would all be over and she'd be the candidate after Iowa!

Senator Clinton talks about her "experience". However, it should be noted that while describing that experience, her detailed account (on numerous occasions) about running across a tarmac under sniper fire in Bosnia wasn't "experience", it was a blatant lie. It was a lie that she told over and over again--even after she was caught on video! Once the video was unveiled, she lied some more, and when that didn't work, she claimed she was tired; she claimed she misspoke. Tell me what happens if she's tired and misspeaks when she answers the phone at 3:00 a.m.?

She talks about how Senator Obama is an elitist who demeans us. Lying to the American people and then laughing and shrugging her shoulders when caught in the headlights of a video and expecting that it wouldn't make any difference to the American people demeans us all. President Clinton did the same thing while he was President--he lied to us with incredible ease--but he's a good guy, right? He can lie all he wants as long as he's charming and knows how to crack a joke.

There are over 4000 soldiers who are DEAD! They've been slaughtered. They are never coming home. Senator Clinton voted for us to go to that war and didn't have the guts to admit that she was wrong.

Barack Obama voted NO to the war. Period.

Senator Clinton talks about how she gets the work done and all Senator Obama does is use words. Where's all this work she claims to be doing and how's she communicating all of that to us? What significant work did she do in 35 years? How did she do it? Surely not with words! And if her Washington experience is the answer, then tell me why our country is a complete mess when we've been voting for and relying on "experienced Washington leaders" for years?

Senator Clinton's "experience" has taught her how to twist the truth and manipulate our thoughts and hopes, to fill us with fear, and to use ridicule to humiliate her opponent at every possible opportunity. What kind of person does these things so easily and so willingly, all in an effort to win? It reminds me of the people who cheat and then claim they've won.

The media brings up the Rev. Wright business over and over again. How many people in the media who bombard their cable television audiences with sound bites and who write their vicious commentaries, and how many Americans after hearing this stuff over and over again, took the time to watch the Bill Moyers' interview with Rev. Wright? For all those of us who did watch it, we now know that we've been subjected to a blitz of horrible lies and manipulation with respect to Rev. Wright since "day one". I can't believe the amount of hatred and vitriol that is spewed by our wonderful "Christian" American people against Barack Obama because of his minister. How many of these righteous people have taken the time to listen to any of Rev. Wright's sermons or have bothered to research the good work his church has been doing?

Do you really think Senator Clinton goes out bowling and chugs down boilermakers at the local bar? Or cleans her shotgun and goes out shooting ducks for recreation? The Clintons have 109 million American Dollars! They did their best to keep that from the American public for months and months and months. Maybe they were worried that we might think they were elitist!

The saddest thing of all is that we are so jaded and so used to being lied to, that for some of us it's easier to lower our standards or just give up and accept the ugly status quo. For some of us, it is too hard to believe that there could be a new, brilliant, strong, and better way to get things right for our beloved country. Americans are intelligent enough and love this country enough to work together--both parties, all people from every walk of life--to put an end to the things that are slowly destroying it. If we elect Senator Obama, we'll finally have a solid chance to make our country stronger and better than ever before. We're in desperate trouble. I hope with all my heart we don't lose this chance for real change.

I urge everyone to read Senator Obama's books, to listen to his speeches, to read and listen to the accounts of people who have worked with him, who know him, and have already witnessed his potential to become a remarkable leader. Among his many gifts are strength, humility, keen intelligence, patience, an unwillingness to play the dirty games of which his opponents are so adept; his deep love of America.

Senator Obama isn't perfect and he never claimed to be. He has told us that if he becomes our president, his cabinet will be comprised of honest intelligent people who won't be afraid to point out if they disagree with him. He has told us that he wants us to know what's going on, to have a real voice in how our country moves forward.

I guess if he doesn't get the candidacy that he has by most standards already won, it will be because he should have learned to lie.

Someone said:

"Just what we need ... a wimpy President that can't stand up to an opponent or answer hard questions in a debate. We've already seen him storm out of one press
conference in Texas when asked questions he didn't like."

He doesn't have what it takes to lead the United States, either stand-up wise or moral-wise. The Wright issue broke on March 13, and in the only primary since then he lost by 10%. Then in the last debate, he came up short. His confidence and ratings have fallen, and had his relationship with Wright been known at the outset the overall voting results would be different today. His not wanting to debate doesn't speak well at all for his fortitude. His chickens are coming to roost.

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Our culture encourages men to respect women. Obama is doing exactly that and Hillary knows this but would rather exploit it to her advantage.

If Obama debated McCain it would be a different story.

There are those who want our next president to be a good debater.

Why?

There are those who want our next president to be tough and a good fighter

Why?

I can think of many scummy lawyers who are good debaters.

I can think of many bullies who are tough and good fighters

I want the next president to be intelligent, thoughtful, honest, and decent.

i.e. Barack Obama

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Obama is afraid to debate! So what? Why should he have to?

After all, he has the Dean-Pelosi-Reid cabal working for him.

The thin veneer of charisma seems to be holding up for almost half of the Democratic voters, and Clinton only has support of almost half of the Democratic supporters.

[[@justada55 what does "Bring it on..." mean]]

Oh this is productive, well the faith & inspiration I gained supporting Obama has been pretty much destroyed by Hillary Clinton. It is clear there is no point she should continue this race. Virtually no difference on issues, no path to nomination with the small exception - make Obama unelectable. I never thought I'd live to see the day a fellow Democrat would say that a Republican is more qualified to be President than a fellow frontrunner Democrat - I keep hearing her say that and it became clear that her sole motivation is to destroy Obama - and its not about the issues, its about what exactly? People interpret Obama trying to keep his eye on the goal of unifying our party and not getting dragged into the gutter - since when is Obama's wearing a flagpin a more important issue than 4000+ dead in Iraq? Truth is I dont trust Hillary. She lied to all of us. It wasnt once, or twice. It was calculated and repeated with the clear intent to decieve us all - did you see her remorseless apology? And you STILL support her? What does that say about US?
Are we seriously even considering putting an IMPEACHED President, as America's first, First Gentleman? Seriously, Im a Democratic and I can clearly see that firestorm on the horizon, on that alone I cant support her.
This needs to end now Indiana. I understand the importance of having a glass ceiling broken, you can do better - find someone with an ounce of decency that wont put herself ahead of our party and our country. If she is half as intelligent as she thinks she is, she should step down. For her to go kicking and screaming will destroy whatever remains of her career in politics.

As an Obama supporter, I would not mind another debate. But what are Democrats debating after 21 debates?!?!

Hillary-supporters are quick to use words like "empty suit", "weak", and "elitist" against Obama because they saw it on TV, or read it on the Internet or heard it on the radio.

What is being lost in these debates are important issues facing the nation. This is clearly evident from the last debate in Philly. Just ask anyone a Hillary supporter or an Obama supporter, what were the positions and policies discussed at that debate?

No one can remember. The only thing people recalled is Obama's "poor debate performance" because nearly 60% that debate focused on responses to questions about wearing flag pins, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Bosnia sniper fire, and "bitter-comments".

Obama should spend time campaigning in Indiana and North Carolina, meeting and discussing issues/solutions with electorate, not Hillary.

"Every time the scummy neocon media and low life Hillary piss me off and unfairly insult Obama I make another $100 donation to Obama's campaign"

You must be very rich

Actually, I think Obama would do very well against Hillary, one to one, if there were no moderators. She would continue to come across as sharp, cunning, and false, and divisive; and he would keep coming off as presidential, intelligent, thoughtful, and decent.

on the other hand, why give her the free publicity where she could keep mentioning her web-site and asking for donations, as she did twice in the last debate (has the woman no shame...or is it just funny?)

Just keep on what you are doing Barack. Stay on the high road, no matter how the Clintons try to pull you down to their level. Clinton and McCain have coopted the CHANGE theme, but they don't understand what it means to the American people. The CHANGE we need is to end this polarization and get back to the cooperation it takes to move ahead. The BUSH/CLINTON/BUSH years have been a downward spiral into a paralyzed government that gets absolutely NOTHING done. For 20 years...no healthcare reform, no energy program, no lasting peace initiatives, war,war,war, etc., etc. It's time to move on and get busy. OBAMA is the leader we need.

Just what we need ... a wimpy President that can't even stand up to an opponent or answer hard questions in a debate. It just reinforces what a disaster Obama would be if trying to deal with tough issues as President, let alone handle a press conference or a negotiation with an opponent. We've already seen him storm out of one press conference in Texas when he was asked questions he didn't like. Clinton's ad in PA is right on -- "If you can't stand the HEAT, then get out of the kitchen." It's time for Obama and his supporters to admit that he can't handle the job of being President.

The debates have proved that Hillary knows her stuff better than any other candidate. A true one on one debate would give Hillary an even better chance to show that she is the superior candidate (opps, did I say a race word?). And there would be a window where the media attack dogs would be (at least for a short time) whould be held at bay.

Let's face facts, if Obama were white with his second-rate Health Care Plan? Heck, black voters wouldn't give him a second look. . . . . . But,

LET HILLARY SAY THAT SHE IS THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE AND HAS THE BEST EXPERIENCE -- THEN SHE'S PLAYING THE RACE CARD.

If the media didn't work so hard at stirring up hatred, it would be a breath of fresh air. . . . . . . Personally, I think Obama woulld make a great Vice-President, and in eight years would be well seasoned to be a great President.

Bring it on Blacky, Im revved up.
Cage match and I'll put you back in your place, back 50 years.
To hell with televised debates. Keep on talking to the people.
"Go Obama, and may God Bless".

Every time the scummy neocon media and low life Hillary piss me off and unfairly insult Obama I make another $100 donation to Obama's campaign. I urge all his supporters to do the same, no matter what the amount.

All voters should watch Rev. Wright on Bill Moyers and see how disgusting the media and Hillary have been on this issue:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html

Have you ever heard anything so infantile as the below post. Probably an American Parent whom sends their kids to die in a winless war, while they are sitting home home watching Jerry Springer. You no, the show that shows the mentality of all Americans. I wouldn't fight a women while she is on male hormone Therapy. Most men crawl from there wives when the heat is on. Admit it, she is a loser and very desperate and dangerous.

Steel cage death match.

Maybe Obama can ask Michelle to fight for him.

Hillarrhea never shuts up. I hate to think of four more years of listening to her scratchy voice railing against her enemies, real imagined, embellished or exaggerated. Four more years of Rudolph the liar waving his finger in people's faces. Shut her up now. She is poison to the Democratic Party. She is polarizing and can not win the general election. She has dredged up racism and attacked anybody that says anything different than what she is saying.Look at the way the Clinton camp attacked Bill Richardson. It is not just a rebuttal of what people say that oppose her. They try to personally destroy people. She has no place in government.

Of course, Obama does not want to debate Hillary. She outsmarts him every time. When are Democrats going to realize this guy is an empty suit. Get out of your Obama-induced coma. Frankly, he hasn't one any big state. How could he be viable in November. If he were a woman, the race would be over. He'd be laughed off the stage.

Second thoughts:

No one to bring reality or reason in the door. She lies, demagogues, slanders; he responds. She is offended, hurt and wounded. Black man, white woman. Who wouldn't want to get into that room with a power-crazy, nutcase woman whose war room is ready to spin you into being an abusive, dangerous person? After that? Fifty bullets?

Chrissy
watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I

Pleassssssse. NO. MORE. HILLARY. She lost the nomination legally and morally. There is no need for Barack to debate someone who is out of the race but won't concede it.

Chrissy

Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KZ8ICvutc0&feature=related

Chrissy.

Did you watch the link I posted? I am curious what you think. How does a woman like you side with a woman whose husband is a rapist? It is true you know and Hillary had a lot to do with covering it up and threatning the woman to keep quiet. From the interview I believe she felt her life was in danger. This are the people you support.

We have had 8 years of Bush and Cheney who refused to face tough questions. They have acted as if they are above having to answer to the American people.

Obama is doing the same.

Bush and Cheney felt they didn't have to count the votes and told Gore to just quit.

Obama is doing the same.

Bush and Cheney have refused access to their records and emails.

Obama has done the same with his Illinois records.

Obama may claim to be about change in Washington but the evidence tells a different story.

If guilt by association concerns you you may want to look at this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXum_-8I1TA

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Questions about Obama's intimate associations and advisors are important. Obama chose to make these intimate relationships with the kooky and the corrupt like Wright, Ayres and Rezko. He needs to justify them.

If he can't be trusted to make good choices in his business and personal advisors how can he be trusted to choose the people to execute our priorties as a nation fairly?

Obama has been able to give vague general answers and has not been challenged. There has been no follow-up when he has made gaffes in debates.

A strong candidate would not be backing down.

Posted by: Chrissy | April 27, 2008 10:33 AM

Clinton body count

http://www.zpub.com/un/un-bc-body.html

After the Stephanopoulops hatchet job Obama should categorically refuse to debate any more. He is now the front runner -- poor bitter Hillary just keeps baiting him, but he alone makes the decisions now.

Both candidates are now so badley damaged and thier suporters so embitterd that neither will be able to defeat Mcain in November.

We Dems need to find a third candidate who can unite the party. Others have said it here and I will add my post to it,

Al Gore needs to step in and end this.

He is the only one now who can defeat the Republican machine and restore sanity to our politics, economy and enviroment.

Questions about Obama's intimate associations and advisors are important. Obama chose to make these intimate relationships with the kooky and the corrupt like Wright, Ayres and Rezko. He needs to justify them.

If he can't be trusted to make good choices in his business and personal advisors how can he be trusted to choose the people to execute our priorties as a nation fairly?

Obama has been able to give vague general answers and has not been challenged. There has been no follow-up when he has made gaffes in debates.

A strong candidate would not be backing down.

I am an Obama supporter! If Hillary gets the nomination for the Democrats. I will vote for her! If Obama wins the nomination will you vote for Obama? That's what a real Democrat will do? Forget about race and vote Democrat!!!!!

Posted by: An American | April 26, 2008 9:12 PM
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While I do share your sentiments, simply because I am tired of republican control of the White House, heck, I'd vote for Winnie the Poo over John McCain.

However, because of the Rove'esque manner in which she is running her campaign. I fear that many African Americans, if not most who support Obama, will vote for here, and will simply not vote at all. Which would GIVE the presidency to McCain in November.

These debates have been damaging to the Democratic Party. If Bill and Hillary need a soap box to do their race and fear baiting, then they should do so without the aid of the media (debate).

I am a long time African American democrat, and I am deeply concerned at how what should be an exciting, hostoric time in our party, has decended into a juke joint bar fight. It doesn't matter who started what, one of these candidates needs to take a strong stand against the bitterness.

I think they should both agree NOT to have any more debates and both agree to speak on their individual qualifications and ideas to their own benefit as opposed cat fighting.

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Hillary Clinton had a chance to turn the last ABC "debate" to a discussion of the issues, but did she? No. Instead, she gleefully helped Georgie and Charlie rehash the rumors and guilt by association accusations against Obama. No, Hillary. I don't think you know what the word debate means any more than the network personalities that serve up crap to improve their ratings.

Obama has not performed well even with the help of the really poor quality of the questions and moderators who have tried to help Obama and avoid the hard questions. There have been no tough questions about Obama's voting record and his absenteeism on votes and his subcommittee. There have been no questions about his lack of transparency with regards to his Illinois records. There have been no questions about what he accomplished in Illinois. There have been no questions about how he calls himself the "Change" candidate when he changed nothing for the better in Chicago - not crime, not housing and not educational achievement nor poverty levels.

Hillary is much smarter than the moderators and better able to get beyond the banal and boring type of debates from someone like Russert or Campbell Brown. Obama can't face a real debate.

It's always my contention not to argue with a b$tch.

Whether you win or loss, you just don't feel good afterwards.

If actions , not words, are the main value of a politician than all undecided yet states and individual voters should act, like in following:
The primary in Illinois on Super Tuesday should be the best model of how to vote for Indiana residence and states of other incoming primaries. Illinois is both -the state of biological birth and home state for Clinton and the birth state for the political career of Obama. Hillary Clinton used Illinois very often during Clinton's presidency to build here her models. For example, Chicago Public School system, where more than one third of graduates were not able to read English, was build here by her, like the dream model of urban education. Chicago Public School was in much better shape at the point of its educational quality before the start of this "great educational experiment" of Hillary Clinton. The same happened with City Colleges of Chicago, etc., etc. For example, Oprah's "break up" with Hillary Clinton and her active support for Obama are essentially connected with the fact that Oprah is located in Chicago, Illinois, and was able to see by her own eyes without media interference what exactly Mrs. Clinton had been doing in Chicago for years of Clinton's presidency. In short, Illinois is the best-informed state of the entire country when it is necessary to choose between Obama and Mrs. Clinton on the basis of their real achievements. Illinois voted on Super Tuesday of 2/5/08 for Obama with more than 30% gap. So, all less informed states and all undecided voters of Indiana and North Carolina and/or other states of incoming primaries should trust the opinion of the most informed state-Illinois and cast their votes following the model of the state of Illinois and its primary of 2/5/08. If in doubt, follow the advice and suggestions of the most informed entity. Isn't it the smartest approach?

If you want an indicator of the quality and executive ability they have you have only to look at their campaigns. Hillary doesn't have the ability to run a lemonade stand much less the country.

What does move them (the S D's) is the quality of the candidates, that is where Hillary shot herself in the foot. She has come across like such trash she lost a lot of support. She has no one to blame but herself.

Almost all the discussions on here are actually moot. No matter what either of them say, or say about each other doesn't matter. The only audience they are preaching to now are super delegates. They know both of them and all this BS or smoke and mirrors doesn't fool them.

Hi Indy!
I don't feel that Obama is scared! They've had twenty debates already. I really feel that Hillary is really desparate right now. I was a Hillary supporter until I've seen just how negative that she can be. Countless times he has been blamed for something that Rev. Wright has said and He has said countless times that he is a christian and he is still questioned on his faith Simply, I am tired of hearing her mouth!!! I think that town hall meetings will be important for Obama and Clinton to have so that the people can speak to each of them one on one.

Take Care

iowatreasures wrote:

"Isn't this quite unusual - a candidate for the highest, most powerful office in the world, the President of the United States of America, and he doesn't have the moxy to stand up to moderators asking him why he doesn't like to wear a flag pin, or why he didn't put his hand over his heart at the J. J. dinner in Iowa, or where he goes to church, or how long he has known Rezko, or Auchi, or Ayers or Ayer's wife, Dohrn, or why he let Emil Jones put his (Barack's) name on bills that belonged to other legislators, to "enhance his political resume," or questions about where he was born, or where he went to school, and who his friends, neighbors, room mates, class mates, teachers were while in college?"

You think these are the important questions? The last set is especially touching. Bring back Joe McCarthy!

You're not more interested how are we going to get out of Iraq, help homeowners in trouble, universal healthcare, making college affordable etc etc etc?

No wonder we ended up with Bush for eight years. We have an electorate that votes based on who they want to have a beer with or their daughter to date rather than who will best govern the nation.

Almost two years of watching them and 30 years of watching Hillary, most people have an idea who they are. What good is watching them argue about a bunch of ideas that may never happen anyway. All they do in those things and say what ever they think people want to hear. Hillary is a no good lire we already know that so where do you go from there. Nothing new to hear but more lies.

Qriginal quote below
"Being able to see the candidates interact without interference would reveal a lot more about the candidates and their ability to think on their feet, how they interact with opposition, what they really care about and not what the corporate media care about. It is the only type of debate that can reveal the real person and not the facade they put on. That is why Obama is afraid of it. Behind the facade and the image the real Obama would be seen."

Posted by: Chrissy | April 27, 2008 8:50 AM

I guess the OBama supporters who are now calling HRC a liar, a thief,a Witch, the B word, and giving absolutely no credit to the Clinton years, will later try to convince us that their candidate will "bring us all" together as a party and reach across the political lines.

Really?

But if your candidate losses the election you will blame Hillary? Good luck with that.

Sounds like a great idea to me. No moderators, no one but your opponent. Now you can ask them the real issues questions you want to.
Does anyone understand why Obama would be scared to debate Clinton? Indiana wants to know.

Not at all I have posted the youtube link on here several times myself. Facts are facts.

Original Quote below

"Anybody offended by Colbert King's 04/26 Wash Post article trying to link Farrakhan to Clinton?

A pro-Obama black journalist fills column space for RACE-BAITING to damage the Clinton brand, leveraging their long history of supportive ties to black leaders. If you approve of these racist tactics, you can send a donation to the North Carolina Republicans' fund for running its Rev. Wright ad at:

www.ncgop.org

If the Wash Post wants to use race-baiting politics against Clinton, well, there's already a party playing those games. NC Republicans will welcome your donations to so they can engage in the same divisive tactics that pro-Obama media outlets have been using against the Clintons to benefit Obama at no cost to him.

If you do make a donation, you can send an email to the Washington post, informing them of your disapproval of the King article and your donation for the Wright ad to: opinions@washingtonpost.com

If you want to send anonymous email, you can do so from: http://www.gilc.org/speech/anonymous/remailer.html

FIGHT BACK AGAINST MEDIA BIASING ELECTIONS WITH FALSE REPORTING AND UNETHICAL JOURNALISM!

(King's article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/25/AR2008042502976.html)"

Posted by: Fight Back Against Biased Election Coverage | April 27, 2008 8:44 AM

This is to the person that wrote that Obama is the racist candidate. 90% of blacks support him. Pure and Simple, Hillary is a Liar and Bill is a cheat!!!!!

Go Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Being able to see the candidates interact without interference would reveal a lot more about the candidates and their ability to think on their feet, how they interact with opposition, what they really care about and not what the corporate media care about. It is the only type of debate that can reveal the real person and not the facade they put on. That is why Obama is afraid of it. Behind the facade and the image the real Obama would be seen.

Anybody offended by Colbert King's 04/26 Wash Post article trying to link Farrakhan to Clinton?

A pro-Obama black journalist fills column space for RACE-BAITING to damage the Clinton brand, leveraging their long history of supportive ties to black leaders. If you approve of these racist tactics, you can send a donation to the North Carolina Republicans' fund for running its Rev. Wright ad at:

www.ncgop.org

If the Wash Post wants to use race-baiting politics against Clinton, well, there's already a party playing those games. NC Republicans will welcome your donations to so they can engage in the same divisive tactics that pro-Obama media outlets have been using against the Clintons to benefit Obama at no cost to him.

If you do make a donation, you can send an email to the Washington post, informing them of your disapproval of the King article and your donation for the Wright ad to: opinions@washingtonpost.com

If you want to send anonymous email, you can do so from: http://www.gilc.org/speech/anonymous/remailer.html

FIGHT BACK AGAINST MEDIA BIASING ELECTIONS WITH FALSE REPORTING AND UNETHICAL JOURNALISM!

(King's article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/25/AR2008042502976.html)

t is being said on good authority that the powerful rightwing Jewish Lobby including [AIPAC] American Israel Public Affairs Committee is vexed, frustrated and displeased with Barack Obama's ... />
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I was wondering when Obama's supporters start blaming the Jews. Here they are now...
BTW, according to the polls the Jewish voters in PA split about 53 to 47% for Clinton. Black voters 92 to 8% for Obama. Interesting....

Well, Obama is the racist candidate. 90 % of blacks support him. Pure and Simple

Anybody offended by Colbert King's 04/26 Wash Post article trying to link Farrakhan to Clinton?
A pro-Obama black journalist fills column space to use RACE-BAITING to damage the Clinton leveraging their long history of supportive ties to black leaders. If you approve of those racist tactics, you can send a donation to the North Carolina Republicans' fund for running its Rev. Wright ad at:

www.ncgop.org

The Wash Post wants to use race-baiting politics against Clinton, well, there's already a party playing those games. NC Republicans will welcome your donations to so they can engage in the same race-baiting tactics that pro-Obama media outlets have been doing to the Clintons, to benefit Obama at no cost to him.

If you do make a donation, you can send an email to the Washington post, informing them about your disapproval of the King article and your donation for the Wright ad to: opinions@washingtonpost.com

If you want to send anonymous email, you can do so at: http://www.gilc.org/speech/anonymous/remailer.html

FIGHT BACK AGAINST MEDIA BIASING ELECTIONS WITH FALSE & UNETHICAL JOURNALISM!

(King's article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/25/AR2008042502976.html)

All the time Hillary Clinton talks about having another "debate" is time she escapes having to explain just how she would enforce the mandate of her health care plan and how she would pay for those new programs that she keeps promising.

Meanwhile, Barack Obama is on the trail, listening to the questions that Indiana folks pose and doing his best to answer them.

DON'T DO IT OBAMA!!! sTAY STRONG!!! Hillary why don't you just focus on the issues???? Or better yet, why don't you and Bill just go away!!!

Please no more debates! Talk to us about the issues we care about.

If you must debate, please debate the fraud case Clinton vs Peter Paul.

Vote Obama 08

Hillary is like Winston Churchill.

Posted by: Hillary is a lion. Obama is a mouse. | April 26, 2008 6:56 PM

She is? Well why didn't you say so? That changes everything, Go Churchillary!

Obama is unelectable. Here in Massachusetts he will be trounced by McCain. This is Hillary country. Even Sen. Kerry is getting nervous about his reelection. See how quiet he has been lately after super tuesday

I've come to really despise the Clintons and regret supporting them, defending them and allowing myself to be lied to and used by them in the 90s. However, I like the idea. I wouldn't spend any more time talking to Hillary Clinton than I had to either, but I hope Obama and McCain will do something similar in the general.

What arrogance !! Obama thinks he is an incumbent refusing to debate. Hillary should get the fake SNL Obama and debate. Hey, maybe a good skit for next week's SNL. Real Hillary and Fake Obama debating :-)

The last debate in Pennsylvania showed that Obama was weak and lightweight. Obama said he had 21 debates. But in 20 out 21, the mediators had been giving Obama a by. This one-on-one debate proposed by Clinton is the opportunity for him to prove himself that he is not weak and lightweight. Don't be afraid, Obama is a big boy now.

Yeah, Obama go on, have the one-on-one debate. Don' whine on mediators asking you tough questions. We want to see what you have. We want to see if we are electing a weak, lightweight, or a strong, heavy weight to represent American on the world stage.

Don't hide behind those earlier delegates. Don't hide behind those rules. Being a president means there is no timeline, no deadline, no soft lines from the media, no rules when you are dealing with foreign leader on the world stage. WE JUST WANT TO SEE IF YOU HAVE IT TO BE A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, OR NOT.

Go take the chellenge! Or, you are afraid, Mr. Obama.

Hill needs free air time because her campaign hasn't been able to raise enough money to compete with Obama. Forget it. You'll have to do it on your own.

MSNBC----go to comments and scroll down to list of 47 suspicious deaths of people closely associated with the Clintons. How many unusual suicides can one couple know? And why would 12 young healthy men die who also just happened to be Clinton personal body guards? Here's the link:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/25/947650.aspx#comments

It's simple: Look at the evidence:

From: "Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/04/garin-on-negative-campaigning.html

"Clinton, Obama, and Negative Campaigning



Just as there is a "Fog of War", the "Fog of Campaigning" can also breed short (and at times false) memories.

Geoff Garin, the replacement on the Clinton team for Mark Penn, claims in today's WP that there has been "one campaign...that has been mean-spirited" and "unfair" and that it is "not ours".

Garin, who seems to be a genuine and decent professional who has been dropped to the helm of a listing ship, attempts to right it not by changing the direction of the boat, but by trying to reverse reality.

Let's take a look:

Clinton at the Jefferson-Jackson Day Speech:

"I'm not interested in attacking my opponents, I'm interested in attacking the problems of America. And I believe we should be turning up the heat on the Republicans -- they deserve all the heat we can give them."

November, 2007:

New York Times: "Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign, which is now attacking Senator Barack Obama on a daily basis." [New York Times, 11/30/07] NBC's First Read:

MSNBC: "Another day, another Clinton campaign knock on Obama." [First Read, 11/29/07]

December 2007 (leading to the January 6 Iowa primary, including the notorious use of an essay that he wrote in Kindergarten):

Chicago Tribune: "This Clinton Attack On Obama Could Boomerang." "The Clinton people are citing a kindergarten essay by Obama as evidence against him in a presidential campaign. Good thing he was born before widespread pre-natal ultrasounds. Who knows how they might've used that against him? Clinton's people have thrown similar jabs before at Obama but it hasn't fazed him. So their seems to be a little more fury behind the punches as now that Obama's may have taken the lead in Iowa according to the Des Moines Register's most recent poll." [Chicago Tribune, The Swamp, 12/3/07]

Washington Post: "Losing Ground In Iowa, Clinton Assails Obama." "With a new poll showing her losing ground in the Iowa caucus race, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) mounted a new, more aggressive attack against Sen. Barack Obama." [Washington Post, 12/3/07]

New York Daily News: "Hillary Clinton Attack On Barack Obama Comes After She Loses Iowa Lead." "Hours after a new poll showed her falling behind for the first time in Iowa, Hillary Clinton launched a blistering personal broadside on rival Barack Obama." [New York Daily News, 12/3/07]

New York Times: "An Attack, From the Candidate's Mouth" [New York Times, 12/2/07]

New York Times: "Battered by Poll, Clinton Hits Back" [New York Times, 12/2/07]

Clinton Release: "In kindergarten, Senator Obama wrote an essay titled 'I Want to Become President. 'Iis Darmawan, 63, Senator Obama's kindergarten teacher, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. He wrote an essay titled, 'I Want To Become President,' the teacher said." [AP, 1/25/07]

And what did the voters think?

Which Candidate is the most negative?


Hillary Clinton 21%

John Edwards 9%

Dennis Kucinich 9%

Barack Obama 8%

Joe Biden 3%

Mike Gravel 3%

Christopher Dodd 3%

Bill Richardson 3%

None/Not sure 43%



Source: The Iowa Poll

[Des Moines Register, 12/2/07]

What about after Iowa? She surely must have changed her tactics then...

After Iowa Loss, Clinton Ramps Up Attacks:

January 06, 2008

AP: "Hillary Clinton Comes Out Swinging, Politeness Lost Along With Iowa Caucuses" [AP, 1/6/08]

Los Angeles Times: "Clinton lets arrows fly at Obama"..."Staggered by her third-place finish in the Iowa caucuses, the New York senator was the aggressor throughout a 90-minute session" [LA Times, 1/6/08]


Washington Post: "Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton tried repeatedly to knock Sen. Barack Obama off his footing during a high-stakes debate here on Saturday night" [Washington Post, 1/6/08]

AP: "Clinton criticizes Obama in NH mailer" [AP, 1/5/08]

Newsday: "Clinton sharpens attack on Obama" [Newsday, 1/5/08]

Reuters: "Obama under attack ahead of New Hampshire debates" [Reuters, 1/5/08]

Newsday: "After weeks of playing nice in Iowa, the Clinton camp sharpened their elbows when the campaign went wheels-down in New Hampshire, readying TV ads targeting Obama that were expected to focus on health care and his legislative record." [Newsday, 1/4/08]

Washington Post: But she and her aides also signaled their intention to now ratchet up the race, aggressively countering Obama in the five days ahead. She is also now planning to draw even sharper distinctions between herself and Obama on the question of change, after watching voters who wanted a new direction select her main rival for the nomination on Thursday night. [Washington Post, 1/4/08]

Well...that must have been just a momentary reaction to January's surprising defeat. She surely didn't continue that strategy...

The State: "Clinton camp hits Obama -- Attacks 'painful' for black voters. Many in state offended by criticism of Obama, remarks about King" [1/12/08]

New York Times: "Clinton's Campaign Sees Value In Keeping Former President In Attack Mode" [1/25/08]

Greenville News: Ex-Democratic Official Criticizes Clintons' Attacks On Obama [1/23/08]

First Read: "Clinton Justifies War Vote, Hits Obama" [1/13/08]

Politico: "Hillary Clinton attacks Barack Obama" [1/13/08]

Perhaps it became more substantive and dignified in February:

Feb 25, 2008

2008 Presidential Election

Clinton Circulates Pic of Obama in Somali Garb: Report:

For some, Barack Obama's "Hussein" middle name has been something worth picking on. For others, it has been pushing the unsubstantiated rumor (debunked by Snopes) that Obama is or was a "radical Muslim." But this - this is truly low. ..Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams said, "If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed."

CNN: "Clinton Sharpens Attacks On Obama" [CNN, 2/14/08]

Concord Monitor: "Clinton Attack Still Riles Some" [2/4/08]

Guardian Unlimited: "Clinton Goes On Attack As Obama Closes Gap" [2/3/08]

March:

The Politico, Ben Smith, March 2:

"A weird moment of TV, partially captured in the clip above. Clinton denies she thinks Obama's a Muslim, but her denial seems something other than ironclad, and the interviewer goes back at her on the question...

"You said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not...a Muslim. You don't believe that he's...," Kroft said.

"No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know," she said."

April:

MSNBC: April 14: Clinton Attacks Obama On Air

Sun-Sentinal: April 22: Clinton attacks, Obama hopes

And what of recent words of Mr. Garin himself?

From the April 20 Meet the Press:

MR. AXELROD: ...Did you not put a negative ad on this weekend in Philadelphia? The--100 percent negative ad attacking Senator Obama?

MR. GARIN: No. I don't believe we did.

MR. AXELROD: Yeah, you did. Go back and check with your people, and it was, it's an ad on lobbying, and it's circulating...

MR. GARIN: It's not. It, it ends up, I believe, with...

MR. AXELROD: No, no, it's 100 percent negative ad, Geoff. Go back and ask your people. I understand you're new in the campaign, and I love you, man, you're a good friend of mine. I know you to be a good, positive person.

MR. GARIN: Right.

MR. AXELROD: But I think that there's some vestiges of the old regime still in place.

MR. GARIN: Well, look, when, when, when...

(Garin never answers this question--Axelrod later in broadcast: "The--well, first of all, that's what's in your negative ad that you didn't know about in Philadelphia.")

Note: This of course leaves self-inflicted attacks (i.e. sniper fire) aside. Incidentally, while I have known people to err when they are tired (for example to say "sniker" instead of "sniper"), I have never seen anyone invent and repeat an entire episode that did not occur as a result of exhaustion--although, of course, this commonly does occur when people are completely asleep.

Hendrik Hertzberg, in this weeks "Campaign Trail" (New Yorker) has noted the tragic and inevitable game here, whereby Obama, who has tried to run a different type of campaign--explicitly principled and positive--has been drawn into defense by the incessant attack. This attempt to now flip and revise history in this very fundamental manner is something that we have seen in our recent Presidential past--and is something that should give us pause.

From:

Head of State:

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/04/garin-on-negative-campaigning.html

Thanks, gbenga! Give us more!

Also have spent pleasant evenings at Holiday Inn Express. But not with Hank!

From Huff Post

Hillary Clinton's current ads seek to portray her as the tough leader who is ready on Day One to handle crises. Borrowing from a line made famous by Harry Truman, the tag line trumpets, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen." The sub-text, of course, is that she will dish out a full plate of heat and if Obama can't respond on her gutter level, he can't handle heat.ﾠ

The truth is almost exactly the opposite. Hillary is nasty, but she is not tough. In fact, Hillary is a classic whiner. She and Bill whine about everything that doesn't go well for them. Unlike Harry Truman, who also said, "the buck stops here," she and Bill accept responsibility for nothing and blame others, especially the media, when things go wrong or their deceptions are exposed.ﾠ

Hillary and Bill whine about Democratic Party activists, young voters, running as a female, the media in general, the media catching her fabricating her history (bringing peace to Ireland, opposing NAFTA, facing sniper fire in Bosnia, etc.), the appeal of hope, Obama's eloquence, money, donors, Democratic Party rules. Last week, Hillary blamed the "activist base" of the Democratic Party -- and MoveOn, in particular -- for many of her electoral defeats, claiming, without a shred of evidence, that activists had "flooded" state caucuses and "intimidated" her supporters. Rather than accept responsibility for her campaign's well-documented failure adequately to plan for the caucus states, and despite her repeated claim she is the candidate "ready on Day One," she attacked core Democratic Party supporters. Rather than take responsibility for her inability to inspire the activist base with her ideas, she whined about their support of a more thoughtful, inspirational candidate. Candidates normally celebrate high levels of voter activism in the primaries, knowing these activists will work for the party's nominee in the general election, but Hillary is willing to burn the peasants in order to win the village for herself.
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Hillary and Bill whine about young voters. Last week, Bill said in Pennsylvania that young voters are easily fooled and older voters are wiser -- too wise to be fooled by Obama's inspiring rhetoric. Of course, he forgot to mention that the most well-educated voters -- young and old -- heavily favor Obama over Hillary. Most candidates, and both political parties, yearn for support from young voters because young voters represent not just the present, but also the future. And, certainly if young voters were supporting Hillary, she wouldn't be whining about them. But since she is not very good at inspiring young voters, she chooses to whine about them. Thankfully, she has not yet proposed raising the voting age to 60, but that could be next.
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Hillary whines about being a female candidate, as though it's harder to be female in America than black. Said Hillary, "It's hard. It's hard being a woman out there." [Add some tears and the picture is complete] Her surrogate, Geraldine Ferraro, even made the wholly implausible claim that the only reason Obama was succeeding was his race -- a claim Hillary never repudiated. Of course, at the same time the Clintons whine about misogyny, they argue to super-delegates that Obama is not electable because he is black and that, as a woman, she is the electable candidate. Neither Bill nor Hill can explain why all the white male Democratic Presidential candidates are out of the race. Could it be that Obama has demonstrated qualities to voters that the others lacked? Could it be that Obama has come from more than 20 points behind in just a few months because he offers qualities, such as hope and honesty, which voters, by large pluralities, think Hillary lacks?
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Hillary frequently whines about the media not being "fair." This is an old Clinton complaint, going back to her stone-walling about Travelgate, Whitewater and the revelations of Bill's many sexual shenanigans. How unfair of the press to remember that she supported NAFTA, falsely claimed to have been a key negotiator in peace talks in Ireland, and lied about her Bosnia trip.
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Caught dead-on lying about being under "sniper fire" as she landed in Bosnia -- when absolutely no danger existed -- she claimed she simply had "misspoke" [seven times?], then claimed she was tired by "lack of sleep," then Bill chimed in to attack the media for even covering the story. This was all taking place as she asserted her competence to answer that mythical 3 am phone call. So if we believe the Clintons, her "lack of sleep" caused her to fabricate a story about landing in Bosnia into hostile sniper fire and risking her life like a seasoned military veteran, but this fabrication should be disregarded because, despite her history of sleep deprivation, if a crisis occurs at 3 am, we can trust her to be awake and alert and respond truthfully and with good judgment. With leadership like this, we'll all be awake at night.
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Hillary whines about Obama's inspiration and eloquence. Hillary whines about the very nature of hope. Despite the Clintons' history of playing the Hope Card (we all remember Bill's 1992 campaign biopic, "The Man from Hope"), when the other guy is offering it, all of a sudden, hope is suspicious. In fact, it is downright delusional. "I could stand up here and say, let's get everyone together, let's get unified and the sky will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing, and the world will be perfect," she said in mock sarcasm of Obama's message of conciliation and hope.
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Hillary whines about the fact Obama has engaged more donors and raised more money than she. Of course, she didn't think it was unfair in 2007 when she had twice as much money as any other candidate. But as soon as she fell behind, Little Miss $100+ million War Chest was whining about being outspent. But isn't the ability to inspire donors and raise money part of being a successful presidential candidate? Isn't that a measure of electability, not something to be disdained?
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Hillary now is whining about Florida and Michigan, piously claiming that failing to seat delegates from those states would be fundamentally undemocratic. But when the Democratic National Committee's rules panel declared Florida's accelerated primary date was not permitted under party rules, all of Hillary's 12 representatives on the 30 member rules panel voted for Florida's full disenfranchisement, which, under party rules, applied to Michigan, as well. In October 2007, when she was far and away the Democratic front-runner, Hillary told a New Hampshire public radio audience, "It's clear this election [Michigan] is not going to count for anything." Oh, the sting of hypocrisy, but rather than accept responsibility for the obvious -- that she supported the very rule she now attacks -- she plays the "poor me" card and digs the Democratic Party into a deeper hole.
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Do we want a whiner to be President? Commander-in-Chief? Do we want to live through more chapters in the never-ending, but never-changing, Clinton Drama of Blame, Attack and Half-Truths? Or do we prefer a president who has demonstrated candor, who is willing to treat voters like adults, who takes responsibility for his behavior and offers thoughtful commentary on serious issues -- as Obama did with his former pastor? Do we want a president who behaves like a mature adult or someone whose emotional intelligence is on the level of a spoiled, whiny teenager?

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HLS, class of '87, cum laude. Also B.A.,1965, M.A., 1967, Ph.D. 1973. University of Nebraska. All cum laude. In case you're interested.

And you, Hank?

I apologize. I forgot that Hank was ashamed of his handicap.

Hey, Hank, you stupid jerk! You insulted me! Yes, I graduated [or more properly was graduated] from Harvard Law School. You apparently didn't. Big deal. You accused me of damaging Obama's campaign. I asked why. You didn't respond. SO ANSWER, YOU FREAKING WEASEL!

Okay?

"Isn't this quite unusual - a candidate for the highest, most powerful office in the world, the President of the United States of America, and he doesn't have the moxy to stand up to moderators asking him why he doesn't like to wear a flag pin, or why he didn't put his hand over his heart at the J. J. dinner in Iowa, or where he goes to church, or how long he has known Rezko, or Auchi, or Ayers or Ayer's wife, Dohrn,"

Yup. Nobody asked Bill Clinton those quest ions. Or Hillary. You got a point, other than the obvious one on the top of your head, Dumbo? Can you really fly, with those floppy ears?.

OBAMA'S A GIRLY MAN

How have I done damage to Obama on this thread? Please respond.

Why would I try to impress you, Hank? That's not my preference, anyway!

Well, I slept in a Holiday Inn Express last night but I guess you want me to percieve you as an eltist. I am impressed, does that make you feel better"

Well, actually, Hank, I don't give a good rat's arse where you slept last night. I'
m not trying to impress you' I'm stating facts. If you want to take the facts to mean you are a stupid peon, then you are. That's not what I meant, and I didn't mean to give offense. I also don't want to alter the facts. I graduated from Harvard Law School. Documented. Look it up. I don't know about you, and don't care to bother. Because it doesn't matter. To me, anyway.

Now, then, Hank. Calmly: what post were you referring to?

"I hope you get some help for yourself, I really do, good-luck."

Hey, you stupid jerk, hank whatever! I asked an honest question, and got the usual response from the usual moron! It's clear YOU never wasted your money on Harvard. Or third grade.

WHAT A STUPID JERK!

[Insulting message to follow,]

"Hankwhatever: looking back through the thread for the post you're referring to? What is it? [Hope it's not mine...]..."

I hope you get some help for yourself, I really do, good-luck.

Hankwhatever: looking back through the thread for the post you're referring to? What is it? [Hope it's not mine...]

How many times do people have to hear the same things from the same two people? Everyone knows what they stand for and who their friends are and who is more truthful. There is no need for anymore debates. If I see Hillary on TV one more time I will puke, the woman literally makes me sick to my stomach. Please Hillary go back to New York and take your pathetic expresident with you.

Yo Jacksmith...

If you think Hillary Clinton has more experience because she was married to the impeached president...

You Are An Idiot! :-) I'm a database administrator, but my wife has zero experience being a DBA.

If you think the Republicans want Obama as the liberal candidate...

You Are An Idiot! :-) You see we think that McCain will have an easier time defeating Hill.

If you think Hillary is married to the president that led the greatest economic expansion and prosperity in American History...

You Are An Idiot! :-) Her last name is Clinton not Reagan.

If you think either Hillary (or Obama) will be better at managing the war effort than McCain...

You Are An Idiot! :-) The cowardly behavior of the last liberal in office resulted in 9-11

If you think Hillary will be a better environmentalist...

You Are An Idiot! :-) Have you seen what vehicles the Clintons own?

If you think the Clintons made higher education affordable...

You Are An Idiot! :-) I'll send you the bills I get for my sons education, then tell me it's affordable.

If you think Impeached President Bill Clinton is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Are An Idiot! :-) He was a disgrace to the office and everything it stands for.

If you think Hillary isn't a liar...

You Are An Idiot! :-) Just ask the little girl from the airport in Bosnia.

man you people need to get a grip!! the diatribes on both sides are off the hook.

All these manifestos make me dizzy. Everyone needs to take a chill pill!!

This so called debate would be 90 minutes of Hillary showing us the three faces of eve! get over it and go vote...

VOTE CLINTON! You'll get more than you ever dreamed of!

SEE the recreation of the famous Bill & Monica Cigar Act, recreated live for your enjoyment!

SEE Hillary such up to Rupert Murdoch!

SEE Hillary totally blow Universal Health Coverage!

SEE Hillary vote to invade Iraq!

SEE Hillary opine that we should bomb Iran!

SEE Hillary suck up to Richard Scaife Mellon!

SEE Hillary such up to George Stephanopoulous!

SEE Hillary suck up to everybody there is to suck up to!

I think if you are a Harvard Grad, alot of money was wasted on your education.

Everything you think you got added up to what, an impeachment based on an affair which demonstrated a zealotry yet to come ? A very bad land deal which cost him his license to practice ? Again, that is not Senator Clinton.

In the meanwhile, Abramoff is probably still talking his head off in jail like a manic without meds. I do think alot of people will do anything they can so they avoid prosecution through a democratic takeover.

So, I see the same play, lots of intimidation by people who are really afraid of the dark and already hearing footsteps. Some people just don't flinch but hey, goons get paid to do what they do and not exclusive to any one club.

You could not do more damage to Obama on this thread, why is that ?

I think if you are a Harvard Grad, alot of money was wasted on your education.

Everything you think you got added up to what, an impeachment based on an affair which demonstrated a zealotry yet to come ? A very bad land deal which cost him his license to practice ? Again, that is not Senator Clinton.

In the meanwhile, Abramoff is probably still talking his head off in jail like a manic without meds. I do think alot of people will do anything they can so they avoid prosecution through a democratic takeover.

So, I see the same play, lots of intimidation by people who are really afraid of the dark and already hearing footsteps. Some people just don't flinch but hey, goons get paid to do what they do and not exclusive to any one club.

You could not do more damage to Obama on this thread, why is that ?

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For me, Hillary seems like some nightmare, twilight-zone Hoody Doodyesque grinning terminator that just won't die...but just keeps on attacking.

After 21 debates, neither candidate can really add anything genuinely informative for voters. Clinton is just trying to maneuver Obama into another no-win "gotcha" situation in what has become the political version of a reality TV Show (with the same absence of any authenticity whatsoever). I could go the rest of my life with no more Clinton debates with ANYONE and be perfectly happy. Anyone who hasn't already heard the salient points of both candidates' positions is either dead or living under a rock, and regurgitating the obvious over and over again does not make for an informative campaign.

Yes, she's better at debating than Obama and she also knows that if Obama responds to her in kind, it will be perceived by her working class white base as an egregious example of a black man attacking a white woman (even if only verbally). She has mastered the GOP's "Southern Strategy" almost perfectly (the only thing she's done perfectly in this campaign); she knows all those code words and actions and subliminal visual images that provoke racial responses without ever explicitly mentioning race at all.

And as others have pointed out, a debate means free media coverage that she can't afford. And why can't she afford media coverage? She began the campaign with a huge war chest (in excess of $100 million) and the backing of the entire Democratic establishment. She's frittered all that away, 70 of her major donors walked away and started donating to Obama, she's tapped out all her other big-check donors, she's behind in the delegate count (an insurmountable deficit unless she wins out the next 9 elections with an average of 65% of the vote, which she has never achieved, not even in NY or AR). In short, she needs all the free publicity she can get, publicity that will either make her look better or Obama look worse, and a debate gives her that opportunity.

I don't blame her for trying and I don't blame Obama for saying, "enough is enough". God knows, a lot of us voters have been saying that for awhile now.

"So question, how many handlers does Obama have right now ? Oops I seem to be typing to bots, sorry."

Well, he doesn't have Bill or the other guy the Colombians paid to lobby for them. You want to post to bots, that's your problem. You want to post FOR bots, that's still your problem! What's Hillary got going for her? Former First Lady. Whoopie! Sort of Senator, thanks to Giuliani's cancer? Whee! Other experience? Union buster for Wal-Mart? Shots and beers with the boys at the Union Hall? $400k [her half share of the payoff from Colombia to Bill for lobbying for the Fair Trade agreement with Colombia, which she "opposed"]?

Hillary got lots of 'splainin' to do. She won't do it. She has NO relevant experience; NO temperament that enables her to be the one answering the 3 am phone call [even ol' Bill says she's 60 and forgets things, and she says she lied about Bosnia, becaise she was "sleep deprived."

This is who you want with her finger on the trigger? Especially after she pledged to "obliterate" Iran?

you are very correct tom.

it is the CLINTONS, and not hillary.

why?

because.. they come as a 4 PERSON PACKAGE

1) hillary, the negative ugly woman herself

2) slick willy, the red faced ADULTERER

3) the elitist snob chelsea

and.... if you act NOW..

4) the SCHIZOPHRENIC DELUSIONAL "SNIPERS FIRED AT ME" HILLARY (personality #2) at NO CHARGE!!!!

YES! IF YOU ACT NOW.. WHY SETTLE FOR JUST ONE CLINTON.. WHEN YOU CAN GET....

---- ALL 4 CLINTONS BAGGAGE FOR FREE ----

what a deal!

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Have you noticed how often the above posts, and the original article, talk about "The Clintons," rather than Hillary? Instructive, hmm?

"The Democrats lost both Houses of Congress because of Clintons' irresponsibility during his reign! Bill was sleeping his way in with 19-yr-old interns, while Hillary was fighting and scaring away D- senators and house reps. Geez!"
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What kind of leadership is that? We dont want to lose Congress again under another Clinton!

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"Even after the DNC and EvEN after the election in november.. hillary will still be challenging for debates and telling people she is still running..."

That's a joke?

Hillary should just pack her bags instead of doing a debate. We have already heard enough. She had the past 4 months to do all the debates she wanted. Please spare the American people of the hardship of listening to her whine and tell lies. Hillary is no Lincoln and she is no Douglas. Nobody other than herself is interested in getting into a war of dirty talk with her.

So question, how many handlers does Obama have right now ? Oops I seem to be typing to bots, sorry.

Fox; Ms Clinton, please tell us why you are most qualified.

Hillary; Why that's easy. Because I am a war hero.

Fox; You were in the war?

Hillary; What rock have *you* been hiding under. I'm a WAR HERO. Want me to spell that for you?

Fox; Okay, describe your heroics.

Hillary; That's easy. First of all, I was awarded the Medal of Honor during World War 2, after I single handedly shot down 5 German dive bombers from a bunker in Normandy.

Fox; B-b-but.. Normandy happened 3 years *BEFORE* you were even *BORN*.

Hillary; I can't explain it either. All I know is the facts speak for themselves. And then during the Civil War I was a high ranking Captain and led a battalion ...

Fox; Excuse me. But what *facts"