Candidates Court Trade Skeptics
By Jonathan Weisman
It is not as if Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton have shied away from discussing the North American Free Trade Agreement, President Bush's proposed trade deal with Colombia or the impact on America of economic globalization. But with many undecided House Democratic superdelegates still unsatisfied, both Democratic presidential candidates have been quietly trolling for support among trade skeptics.
Two weeks ago, Clinton met for an hour and a half with as many as 20 members of the House's Trade Working Group. Late Friday afternoon, Obama carried on for more than an hour on a conference call with a smaller number of group members. The meetings, organized by undecided Reps. Michael H. Michaud (D-Maine) and Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio) covered issues that would likely enrage business groups -- and even some Democratic economists -- if made public.
Obama and Clinton gave their word that, if elected in November, they would work against passage of the Colombia Free Trade agreement if there is a lame duck session of Congress, Michaud said. The candidates were also pushed on alleged Chinese currency manipulation, the future of the World Trade Organization, patent legislation pending in Congress and value-added taxes paid in Europe that effectively double-tax U.S. exports.
But if the candidates were hoping for a raft of new endorsements, they will apparently be disappointed. Michaud said he is still awaiting written answers to questions -- ones the candidates would not or could not offer up in person. Rep. Brad Miller, whose state of North Carolina goes to the polls Tuesday, said he would not endorse until his constituents have spoken.
Miller said he still believes Obama will be the party's nominee. He may have problems with white, working-class voters, but in the Democratic primary, "beer drinkers' votes and wine drinkers' votes count exactly the same," Miller said.
Miller said he was impressed how much Obama understood manufacturing policy and how fluidly he could speak on trade and industrial issues.
But, he added, "Certainly in the fall, if he does become our nominee -- as appears likely -- he needs to convey to those voters not just that he understands the details of the policy, but to speak to those voters and impress upon them that he understands not just intellectually but in his gut that he knows what these voters are going through."
Posted at 5:50 PM ET on Apr 29, 2008
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Posted by: Leanza Cornett | May 1, 2008 5:31 PM
Hello fellow bloggers;
I am working class mother of two beautiful and intelligent children ranging from nine to twelve years old. Moral integrity along with strong family and Christian values are very important to me and is why I chose to support Hillary Clinton for President. Admittedly, I've been concerned with the tone of the campaign as of late and am beginning to have doubts about my choice in candidate.
Senator Clinton said if Rev Wright was her pastor she would've left the church and alluded that she placed a high premium on integrity of the company she keeps. Yet she chose to remain with her husband after he committed a number of adulterous affairs, including Jennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinski. Bill Clinton was later impeached for telling lies to a grand jury, disbarred and ultimately created a moral embarrassment to prestige of the American presidency. Senator Clinton's comments about the Wright issue just do not seem to reconcile with her actions to remain loyal to a husband who lied and cheated to her and the American people. I am also troubled that she never offered an apology to the nation and Monica Lewinski after it was confirmed that her husband lied about the sexual involvement. This especially since Mrs. Clinton had accused Ken Star of being on a right wing witch-hunt and called Monica a liar. I can understand the Senator defending her husband when she didn't have knowledge that he lied. However, she should have demonstrated character by apologizing to the American people after evidence confirmed that he did.
On another topic but in keeping with the theme of character and credibility- My 9 year old daughter watched the Bosnia "misstatement" incident reported in the media and asked me to explain the difference between a misstatement and a Lie. It was an interesting topic and I was aware of the potential mine-field. Therefore I carefully responded to my daughter by saying:
"It is Senator Clinton's belief that she made a human mistake when she re-told the events of the Bosnia trip to be slightly different that the actual occurrence, therefore she feels it is was misstatement since her version was not changed deliberately"
My daughter followed up by asking why Mrs. Clinton repeated the incorrect version on 3 separate occasions with such specific, vivid clarity- she was also curious to know why Chelsea Clinton confirmed her mother's version to be factual when asked by the media. Why would Mrs. Clinton encourage Chelsea to lie on her behalf if it was a mistake, she queried? My daughter then asked if I was satisfied with the explanation given by the Senator. At that point I was unable to defend Mrs. Clinton any further as I too was unable to reconcile the given explanation. I immediately closed the discussion by telling my daughter that we should not be so quick to judge people. I later had an uncomfortable feeling that I did not handle the discussion very well and attributed the reason to my belief that Senator Clinton did not demonstrate integrity with the Bosnia incident. I believe that her questionable credibility is why her negative rating is becoming a problem. I know in my heart she lied but left with the optics of the alternate choice I feel that I must continue to support her. What advice can my fellow Hillary supporters offer so I can go back to my daughter and continue this important conversation?
Posted by: Hillary 08 | May 1, 2008 11:24 AM
FREE TRADE? NO SUCH THING...
http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/02/free-trade-and-american-consumer.html
Posted by: PacificGatePost | May 1, 2008 2:38 AM
Geez-Nice comments on the subject at hand.
I guess the Left's base needs to show off it's collective IQ.
The Damage that could be done by a pair of incompetent Lawyers in the Executive Branch is SCARY!
ColOmbia, is a GREAT example. We already allow much of Colombia's exports in without any restrictions. It is getting Colombia on a written record allowing us to get into Colombia's Markets that we are trying to do!
But, Pencil Pushing Dimocrat-wits, want to play Partisan Politics and obstruct the Executive Branch from doing anything "Good" or "Constructive".
That sort of Scorched Earth Political Strategy deserves to be eradicated! Meaning: Pink Slips for Pinkos!
The opportunities that should be available are Mind Numbing!
But, as was demonstrated in the earlier Posts, half our Political Forces, and their "Base" don't have much in the way of Minds, to numb! They already were/are! ;~)
Posted by: RAT-The | April 30, 2008 11:30 AM
DEBATE! DEBATE!! DEBATE!!!
It's time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.
Hillary Clinton seemed almost somber at her Pennsylvania victory speech. As if part of her was hoping Obama could have proved he had some chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources.
But it is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.
Hillary Clinton say's that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Mr. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.
Mr. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Mr. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton's have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.
If Mr. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.
Sen. Hillary Clinton: "You know, more people have now voted for me than have voted for my opponent. In fact, I now have more votes than anybody has ever had in a primary contest for a nomination. And it's also clear that we've got nine more important contests to go."
Sincerely
Jacksmith... Working Class :-)
Posted by: jacksmith | April 29, 2008 11:03 PM
MY FELLOW "BITTER", STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE :-)
If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of "BITTER"!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)
Best regards
jacksmith... Working Class :-)
p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...
You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)
Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don't die from. And I could go on, and on...
OBAMA AIDE: "WORKING-CLASS VOTERS NOT KEY FOR DEMOCRATS" :o
DEBATE! DEBATE!! DEBATE!!!...
Posted by: jacksmith | April 29, 2008 10:56 PM
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Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | April 29, 2008 8:16 PM
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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR
U.S. SOLDIER KILLED BECAUSE OF HILLARY'S VOTE
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MORE THAN 4,000 U.S. SOLDIERS DEAD, BECAUSE OF HILLARY'S VOTE
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Posted by: | April 29, 2008 6:50 PM
1. Miller might want to check the sales of Miller (as in the beer) vs. zinfindel.
2. No one else wants to discuss this, but Obama supports Bush's SPP.gov, aka "NAFTA on steroids". No one from the MSM would ever dare ask him about that, so we're going to have to do it ourselves.
Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | April 29, 2008 6:46 PM
>>>Obama and Clinton gave their word that, if elected in November, they would work against passage of the Columbia Free Trade agreement if there is a lame duck session of Congress, Michaud said.
Co-LOM-bia! Bad enough that some of these semi-illiterate posters can't get it right, but y'all supposedly have a staff of professionals checking this stuff! Cut back on the insider stock options and hire another proofreader! Sheesh!
Posted by: whatmeregister | April 29, 2008 6:46 PM
'Colombia' is the country.
Posted by: Tom J | April 29, 2008 6:04 PM
First!
Posted by: First! | April 29, 2008 5:53 PM
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Facts are a stubborn thing. Obama cannot close his 20 year old relationship with Wright because there is so much video evidence against it. On the TV program THE VIEW, Obama declared that Reverend Wright accepted that his view were inappropriate and mischaracterized. That it had offended many people. Then weeks later Wright goes on a national Hate America Press Tour? This was a blatant lie. Or worse, Obama was fooled by Wright which is kind of scary. That a possible next president can be played by a character such as Wright. Check the video evidence yourselves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6J7yJ9R5p0