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*** hillary ahead in north carolina ***

HAHAHA! How did that work out for you?

Matt Towery is a GOP shill (he used to manage Newt Gingrich's campaigns), and contributed the maximum $2300 to the Clinton campaign (look it up in federal filings) because he believes she would be easier to beat.

The funny part is that some idiots actually bought it.

Jacksmith,

Actually, you are an idiot.

Sincerely,
An Elitist.

its very sad what has become of this presidential race seems to me that is a race between old hags( Hillary supporters ) against younger generation, in few words past as usual versus future for change, I am a senior myself and I am totally disgusted with these old asinine people, God help America for where we are headed

Facts are a stubborn thing. Obama cannot close his 20 year old relationship with Wright because there is so much video evidence against it. On the TV program THE VIEW, Obama declared that Reverend Wright accepted that his view were inappropriate and mischaracterized. That it had offended many people. Then weeks later Wright goes on a national Hate America Press Tour? This was a blatant lie. Or worse, Obama was fooled by Wright which is kind of scary. That a possible next president can be played by a character such as Wright. Check the video evidence yourselves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6J7yJ9R5p0

Countdown to Victory

Joe Andrew switches to OBMAMA

Joe's was appointed by Bill Clinton, but decided after McCain and Clinton pandered on GAS TAXES.

292 Delegates to Victory OBAMA total supers = 244 pledged

433 to 2025 Clinton total pledged supers 263

408 to be elected in ten contests
288 SUPERS UNPLEDGED / UNCOMMITTED left
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696 THAT THE TOTAL DELEGATES LEFT

GO OBAMA

Um, actually the latest Insider Advantage poll in NC has Hillary AHEAD of Obama by two points - this is the first time in many weeks that she has led in NC. So when she wins Indiana and NC next week, EAT THOSE WORDS.

Obama is only winning because of the black vote. If the White people were being racist Obama wouldn't have a chance.

to many people suppporting obama are goingot loose in november the rnc is connecting peoplile endorsing obma, we must save democratic party ,As clinoton supporter now the fact that all these adds are threatening democrats, because of adds being run, i cann understand obama being nominee and then looose,but that I think of it its not worth it because we need to keep housae and senate and if obama is nominee we jepordize keeping the house and senate so we will loose all 3 . but i think hillary wiil wrapp this nomination s next week when she pulls upset in north carolina!!!thern he will be forced to stepp down , remeber fellow democrats and obama suypporter you have to think about the party and saving our seats in novemnber!!!FALL INLINE WITH HILLARY NOW!!! PEOPLE

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InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion Survey: North Carolina Democratic Primary: Hillary Clinton Takes Lead Over Obama

Compiled from InsiderAdvantage and Southern Political Report staff

April 30, 2008 -- A survey of 571 registered likely voters in North Carolina's May 6 Democratic primary shows Sen. Hillary Clinton having moved from a double digit deficit in an InsiderAdvantage poll taken in mid-April to a two point lead over Sen. Barack Obama in this telephone survey, conducted April 29. The survey was weighted for age, race, gender, and political affiliation. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.8%

The results were:

Hillary Clinton: 44%
Barack Obama: 42%
Undecided: 14%

Prior to his appearance on FoxNews Network's "Hannity & Colmes," on which the poll was released, InsiderAdvantage's Matt Towery noted: "The shift has come almost entirely from white voters age 45 and over. There was a small drift of African-Americans back towards Clinton, but not so significant as to establish any trend.

"I believe when all is said and done, Obama will likely carry North Carolina; or if he loses the race, it will be by just a few points.

"Our polling generally does not indicate the eventual compression of black voters that Obama usually enjoys just before Election Day. If that happens, my guess is that he will pull this out. However, this poll is clearly an indication of reaction to the latest statements by his former pastor; and it forces Sen. Obama to split resources between Indiana and North Carolina.

"If this white vote shift does not erode, given that North Carolina's white Democratic voters are primarily in the Research Triangle, where education and personal finances are in the top tier for the nation, then I would say this suggests a major shift in all future primaries towards Clinton," said Towery. Click here for crosstabs. Click here for party breakdown.

Why doesn't Clinton just run with McCain? They have been saying the same thing anyway.

Those harken back to the old glory days, do so with a lense of not seeing all of the absolute drama that came with it.

If she wasn't so naked with her attacks, then maybe you would have a case. Instead, we have BS. Why doesn't she just go and run for McCains VP slot. They have been working together a long time.

All the high and mighty claim that HRC is the choice. HRC doesn't know the first thing about character. If so, show me. I think that you will find your search lacking. She even can't prevent herself from lying about Bosnia. She is a fighter- for herself.

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H I L L A R Y V O T E D F O R T H E W A R

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Democrats: You have a choice between a relatively honest guy with a wacko pastor, and two pathological co-liars who sold out to big business and credited the dot-com boom to themselves, as if Clintonian policy, not technology, is what made business blossom in the late 90s.

Say what you want about Barack. His lies per minute are a fraction of the Clintons'.

Perry Bacon has lost all credibility as an unbiased reporter. How much is the Obama campaign paying him?

Blue Dress
Whitewater
Impeachment Hearing
Vince Foster
Rape Accusations
Theft of White House Property

We don't need the Clintons anywhere near the White House.

Do you feel HilLIARy Clinton is worthy for the nomination after proving herself to be a liar? Do you feel it is rather hypocritical of HilLIARy Clinton to question the length Barrack Obama served with his church while not knowing Jeremiah Wright's radical views when Bill and Monica had oval office meetings while HilLIARy was in the same house? Barack Obama rejected J. Wright, and Hillary leached onto Bill Clinton despite his numerous disrespectful actions against her and the American people. Bill Clinton's sins cost taxpayers millions.

Why do the American people seek to always kill the movement for real positive changes in this country???

FUNNY - How the American people forgot the many lies HilLIARy has told throughout this whole campaign
FUNNY - How the American people forgot how HilLIARy planted people in the audience to ask her specific
questions
FUNNY - How HilLIARy stole Obama's message and theme
FUNNY - How HilLIARy will cry, lie, cheat and steal to get this election (Typical Politician)

As a perfect example of HilLIARy's leadership, why hasn't HilLIARy Clinton spoke up in any manner concerning an innocent man being murdered by three police officers based on "I THOUGHT HE HAD A GUN" excuse?
IF she can't govern those in her own state of New York, WHY trust her to govern this nation?? To what extent does she care for the American people??

I find most of the pro-Hillary comments amusing. In terms of the Clinton presidency being so successful, let's not forget that Bush (the father) raised taxes & the Republicans were the majority in Congress. As for the Gas Tax holiday, Hillary & McCain need to take Economics 101, bad energy policy. As for some of her other ideas, many have come up during the campaign & they're short-term solutions for long-term problems - they're more about getting votes than what is best for America. What about the honesty/trust polls
that don't reflect her well? She's an intelligent woman, that is capable, but does she have the right temperament? The obliterate Iran comment scares the hell out of me!! It's sad that the candidates we have to select from is poor, considering the challenges we face as a country. In my mind, there is only one candidate that resembles anything presidential, and it's not Clinton or McCain.

Ok would you racist Obambi supporters stop telling us blacks are going to burn down the cities.

They are not the people who are going to riot are the Young obambi/War Craft player will because there mom did not put honey on their pancakes.

does anyone stop to think why the majority of clinton's vote comes from people without a college degree?

1. Name ID (being a 'Clinton' is a powerful thing)
&
2. Ignorance from the American people.

Those that stop and think about the two candidates overwhelming vote Obama.

Just some food for thought...

Do you really want to rip the democratic party apart by giving the nomination to Clinton behind closed doors over someone who has the most votes, delegates and states won?

Also, what kind of disenfranchisement would that do to the black community in this country to see a white person pole-vaulted over a clear front runner?

Barack Obama has self destructed in th elast month. The republicans obviously want to run against him in the fall. They are already tying democratic candidates to Obama in campaigns.
The liberals who have given us McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis and Kerry should learn by now.

you could be right...but don't hate the player hate the game. If you are really upset with how the democratic party holds its primary, you should take it up with them and not fault Obama for playing by the rules and winning...

Also, roughly 35% people of people think Hillary is honest/trustworthy...Don't think that will do very well in the general.

In the general election it is winner take all. If the Democrats had winner take all in their primaries, Hillary Clinton would be up 2305 - 1604 delegates right now.

That has no direct bearing on the pledged delegates but it will weigh very heavily on the Super Delegates.

And of his 1604, most are from states he can't win in November.

DISPATCHES FROM THE GROUND WAR ...

MEDIA MATTERS FOR AMERICA IS REPORTING ANTI-CATHOLIC MCCAIN PASTOR SUCCESSFULLY DODGES MAJOR MEDIA SPOTLIGHT ...

Wash. Post and NY Times published more than 12 times as many articles mentioning Obama and Wright as they did mentioning McCain and Hagee

Summary: A Media Matters for America review found that since February 27, the date that televangelist John Hagee endorsed Sen. John McCain for president, The New York Times and The Washington Post combined have published more than 12 times as many articles mentioning Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. and Sen. Barack Obama as they have mentioning Hagee and McCain.

A Media Matters for America Nexis search* found that since February 27, the date that televangelist John Hagee endorsed Sen. John McCain for president, The New York Times and The Washington Post combined have published more than 12 times as many articles mentioning Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. and Sen. Barack Obama as they have mentioning Hagee and McCain. The Post published 53 articles during that period that mentioned Wright and Obama, compared with three articles mentioning Hagee and McCain.

The Times published 46 articles since February 27 mentioning Wright and Obama, compared with five articles mentioning Hagee and McCain.

Additionally, during the same period, the Post published 40 editorials or opinion pieces that included Wright and Obama while publishing two editorials or opinion pieces that mentioned McCain and Hagee.

The Times published 22 editorials or opinion pieces that included Wright and Obama, compared with two editorials or opinion pieces that mentioned McCain and Hagee.

Media Matters has documented other examples of the disparity between the media's extensive coverage of controversial comments made by Wright and other supporters of Obama and their coverage of controversial comments made by Hagee and other supporters of McCain. ...

The sad thing in Politics is that those that don't understand basic Economics, (ie Hillary), use this idea to scare up votes right before the May 6 primary. Unfortunately, most people don't know the overwhelming negative implications of eliminating this tax, and will believe that 'hillary is doing something', when in fact she would do the opposite to what is necessary to reduce our oil dependence. Such a timed political ploy.

Hillary ought to read an Econ 101 textbook if she wants to claim that she's "the most experienced"...

Michaelp0429,

All economists agree the eradicating the gas tax is a BAD idea. Please note the word bad. If anything in order to reduce our dependence on oil, we should RAISE the gas tax. Eliminating the gas tax for the summer only increases the demand for gasoline, further continuing our dependence on oil.

And what would this save the average American? 28 dollars over the course of the summer??? Are you kidding me?? Oh of course, 28 dollars will solve all of our problems!

Hillary has only advocated the gas tax holiday as a minor, short-term help during the summer holiday season.

Her solution is fiscally responsible because she makes up the tax revenue with a wind-fall tax on oil company profits.

No wonder Obama is against this - it would reverse the hundreds of billions in tax incentives he voted for in the Bush / Chenney Energy bill.

Hillary is also talking passionately about a call to America to move aggressively to energy independance just like Kennedy called on America to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. She recognizes the need for a long term solution and has well thought out plans for the longer term solution, but in the mean time, why not cut gas prices by 18 cents a gallon in a fiscally responsible manner?

The oil companies have recorded record proffit after record profit quarter after quarter through the Bush Administration. Who should pay that tax: the consumers or the oil companies who are making tens of billions of dollars per quarter?

Attacking her for not doing enough when you defend him for doing nothing doesn't make any sense.

AT 1:23pm , an anonymous poster made some statements regarding Rev Wright's words. Let's examine for a second the veracity of some of those words. First the poster quoted Wright to the effect:

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye."

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

The writer than goes on to say that Obama is a fake. I am not sure of the logic of his/her argument, because there does not appear to be any connection between Wright's words and Obama, unless you assume that Obama and Wright are actually the same person.

Nevertheless, I think it is important to point out that Wright is not wrong as far as those two statements are concerned. I am not justifying in any way whatsoever what happened on 9/11. Clearly 9/11 was an abomination and a result of evil evil evil men. But I don't think that anyone could disagree that the United States actually did drop nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You may parse that statement, as you like it. But on the face of it is true: The United States certainly killed more men, women, and children, and old ladies, and old men, and handicapped people in those two bomb attacks than the number of people who died during 9/11. So to argue that the United States too has been responsible for great horror inflicted on other people is correct. He's not wrong. Most people in this country certainly didn't "bat an eye" that a couple of hundred thousand civilians died in the nuclear bomb attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

As far as the references to South Africa and Palestine, I also don't think he is far off the mark in regard to the way the United States has historically considered the value of non-American human beings. I grew up in Southern Africa, so I know a thing or two about Apartheid. Here is what I do know: The Sharpeville Massacre (google it if you don't know what it is...look at the images of the children shot in the back of the head), happened in 1960. The United Nations passed a resolution in 1962 calling on member nations to sever economic and political ties with South Africa. Poor countries like India placed sanctions on South Africa in the early 50's for it's racist policies. The United States of America waited until 1986, 26 years AFTER 300 men, women, and children were shot at Sharpeville (the majority of whom were shot in the back running away...again google it if you want to see it for your own eyes) to place economic sanctions on South Africa; the United States waited 26 years and let hundreds of thousands of more people die in South Africa BEFORE it decided that economic sanctions were appropriate. 5 years after the United States placed economic sanctions, apartheid ended. Yes, it took only FIVE years of pressure from this country to end a systematic oppression of black people in South Africa that had lasted for a over 100 years. So when Wright rails about the effect that U.S. foreign policies have had on other countries and the complete lack of concern that the general American population has shown to suffering that is a direct result of U.S. policies, he is not far off the mark. A lot of people outside of this country do not like Americans because of the policies that have hurt millions of people round the world. When a country as powerful and as dominant as this one supported a dictator like Mobutu Sese Seko in Zaire (he had gold plated toilet seats in his palaces, while his people starved) by allowing and endorsing the coup that ousted his legally ELECTED rival Lumumba; or when it supported the Pinochet regime in Chile that killed a god awful number of its own people; or when it supported the various despots around the world that it has, you can't help but expect the rest of the world to be upset. What is sad, and in this I agree with Rev. Wright (though I am not black), is that the people in this country have completely closed their eyes to the negative impact (such as large scale death) that U.S. foreign policies have had around the world. What is sad is that many people in this country do not care how many people have died as a direct result of U.S. policies. What is sad is that not many people are actually upset about some of these shameful policies. People simply don't care, and Wright is correct about that. This again, in no way justifies the EVIL actions of others. But one should be able to look in the mirror and be able to say that this country is not perfect. In fact, the U.S. has on occasion acted in ways that can be construed as downright evil by both the people that it hurt, and the people of this country. That is important to remember.

If hillary were really ready on day one obama would not be a threat. Obama has shown his organizational skills by the way he
has ran his campaign. He has been david going up against goliath
and she is the one on the ropes. There is a reason he has raised more money has more pledged delegates, more popular votes. These distractions that the media play up to try to challenge his character undermines the thousands of new voters his campaign has brought in. He inspired people in this country and all over the world with hope. Cynics want to bring him down at the cost of uplifting the country. it is still time call on our better angels.

If hillary were really ready on day one obama would not be a threat. Obama has shown his organizational skills by the way he
has ran his campaign. He has been david going up against goliath
and she is the one on the ropes. There is a reason he has raised more money has more pledged delegates, more popular votes. These distractions that the media play up to try to challenge his character undermines the thousands of new voters his campaign has brought in. He inspired people in this country and all over the world with hope. Cynics want to bring him down at the cost of uplifting the country. it is still time call on our better angels.

Obama leads in votes, delegates, states...what else do you need?

jacksmith, YOU'RE AN IDIOT!

I can not believe the media continue to beat on an untrue fact that Obama only wins states where there is majority of african american. How many blacks are there in Washington, North Datoka, Nebreska, or Main. It is time to get it right.

It is a shame that ANYONE would hire a candidate for the job of leader of the free world based on race. They should be examined by their records, and experience is an asset, not a liability. Hillary is the stronger candidate.

I am ashamed to be an American after spending 15 minutes perusing these comments.

Obama is finished. He did it to himself. He lied when he spoke in Philadelphia about his 20 year relationship with the Irreverand Wirght. Now he has to publicly condemn the same statements that earlier in Philadelphia he said were taken out of context. Yesterday, there was suddenly no context issue. Obama was simply accused by his 20 year Pastor of lieing about his relationship with the Chicago Church. The Pastor obviously did not think Obama was telling the truth and said so. He said Obama was just a politician saying what he needed to say to get votes. So much for truthfulness out of Obama.

I believe Obama will emerge out of the Democrat Convention being the weakest nominee the Party ever nominated. The Democrats blew this election big time. Now they have Obama who is someone that voters in Florida and Michigan, Jews in New York, Floirda and California, the elderly in Florida and throughout the US have every reason to mistrust. If Obama's own Pastor of 20 years doesn't trust him or at least thinks he is a liar, why should other groups vote for him??? I doubt if Rev. Wright would vote for him at this point...LOL.

It's very sad to see that racism is alive and well in the DC area. If White people vote for Obama, they're idiots, and if Black people vote for Obama they're racist. Why do people ASSUME that people are not voting for Obama because they believe in him, and want something more than another 4 years of Clinton/Bush. We are all Americans and have the FREEDOM to vote for who we want. Some of you need to examine your hearts and figure out if you're supporting Hillary because you believe she's experienced and qualified, which I have yet to see any evidence of, or if you are afraid or unwilling to vote for a Black man.

TO: Wizard 101

Wizard, if you think we will unite behind Obama, you have another thing coming to you man. McCain will get my vote long before Obama. And if you don't think Obama's associations and friends matter, you sir are stupid.

Enough said.

Meme,

Wow! Right on to you Sir. You touched my core by your words. There is strength in your wisdom.

God bless you and your family for seeing through the fog of Obama.

You got it right Sir.

May God Bless the good ole US of A.

The bottom line is, democrats should be focused more on policy and who is going to get us out of this hindering war, and who best to bring the country together, rather than what Obama's middle name is and what his pastor says.
If he wasn't Black there wouldn't be as much scrutiny against him.I mean, look at how Hillary's blatant lie about the Bosnia visit faded away, leave the man alone. He will be the democratic nominee so now it is time to stop slandering him as democrats and instead, unite behind him.

How each candidates supporters hate each other - almost sounds like Pastor Wright in here -
For the record - I am an African American senior citizen - and for those that have been told there was no way to obtain their hopes and dreams and that it was hopeless look to HILLARY CLINTON as a symbolic figure.
Obamas "word" for change is to eliminate the old time politicans in Washington DC - yet accepts the endorsements of Kerry, Kennedy and many many others.
Hope was watching the Clintons over decades giving homeless - shelters - jobless - job opportunities from California to Mississippi. Bill went to New Orleans with Brad Pitt to give HOPE to the community for reconstruction - Hillary attended a rally there for HOPE even though she had not gotten the votes of the city - Obama was too busy with his campaign to attend - guess he already got their votes - much like leaving Penna before the count had finished.

My HOPE for my brothers and sisters in North Carolina and in Indiana is to vote with your heart and not by color - much of my own family is ging to do that - regardless of the candidate who wins - you WILL still HAVE to work for a living.

God Bless our America

OBAMA WAS ONLY VOTE IN FAVOUR OF SEX SHOPS LOCATED NEAR SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS IN CHICAGO! OBAMA VOTED IN FAVOUR OF NUCLEAR MEGA-COPPORATIONS TOGETHER WITH CHENEY AND BUSH!

HILLARY '08 - THE ONLY WINNABLE CANDIDATE!

I think the black vote can be effectively discounted and not of interest to the superdelegates. At 14% of the population, they simply don't rate as kingmakers. Now that we know they are all racists too - picking their candidate on race, as indeed many white liberals are - white politicians should be free in future from catering to them.

Hillary beat Obama in the college educated suburbs of Philly and Pittsburgh. I think there are a few smart yuppies down in North Carolina.

There used to be on these boards a particularly ignorant racist fool from Staten Island who went by the handle hotnuke-something-or-other. He disappeared after predicting that Hillary would sweep Super Tuesday and drive "that black racist scumbag" back into obscurity." I wouldn't be surprised if he and this new inbred Dylan are one and the same person.

Sometimes, no matter how many times you flush, the turd keeps coming back to the surface. Ah well, just six more days and this will hopefully be brought to a civilized close. Go Obama!

oh oh its dinna time at the feeding trough

off to KFC

it's obama finger licking good says hot mama michelle

Abraham Lincoln became Pres with the experience of ONE TERM in Congress (a third of Obama's). James Buchanan, the worst president, who presided over the slide into Civil War, was the most experienced Candidate for President ever - SEc. of State, 10 years congress, 10 years Senate, Ambassador to Russia and England. our second most experienced and competent candidate was Herbert Hoover. Experience can mean nothing, it never means everything. Idiots

the white man burden just gets harder every day trying to educate the illiterate blacks

you can't get any thing into their thick skulls no way no how!!

the great white historian pat buchanan is on the msnbc right now dissing the denouncement of obama as pure garbage!!

go pat go & bring back the rule of law

blacks spend more time in prison sucking up govenment hand outs than working

deport them and replace them with the mexican people who are willing to work their way up through hard labor insstead of waitng for a welfare check for them and their ten illigetamate childrensss.

BlkDude4Hillary: "Martin Edwin Anderson - Jake has it wrong! Do you people ever research before you post?"

BlkDude4Hillary,

What in Jake Tapper's post is wrong? Nothing in the CounterPunch story you linked to contradicts anything he wrote. The fact is that the Clinton Administration knew of Cox's fronting for the Chinese, even if the public at large did not, and did not act to prevent Cox's acquisition of Magnequench. And Magnequench began shipping their jobs overseas in 1998 with the full approval of the Clinton administration, nearly three years BEFORE Bush took office.

Sorry, but this is an instance where Clinton gave away American jobs to the Chinese, as well as placing American military security at possible risk. And it makes Hillary look pretty foolish to protest yet another bad trade deal her husband made in hopes of pandering to the ignorant. Shades of NAFTA, eh?

obama says i can no mo disown my reverend than i coulds disown mys white grandmother

i can disown obama.

he's not even worthy to be a slave on thomas jefferson's plantation!

Get obama's cotton picking wife off my tv screen!!! out with dat black spot!!!

Excuse dylan grade school ed and certainly not a moderate republican ... middle of the road like McCain who will win in November

for those blacks out there who can read this you should know that we whites don't care what obama, his big butt mama his reverend or any other obama supporter says

obama can do nothing to get back our vote

to the back of the bus barry boiyee!!

so what that she is a fighter. If you look at a history, many strong fighters end up in misery together with their "strong" countries. What needed is strong leader, not a strong fighter. Whatever you fight against may hit you with double force.

mama in yo' face michelle obam is making the talk show rounds saying that wright is hurting her chitlins,,,er childrens

what nerve!! michelle'd kids were baptized by the racist wright and now she is throwing her childrenss under the bus for her black boiy barry

let get the boats ready to ship em back to the black coast!!!

Posted by: double soy latte liberal from SF with PhD | April 30, 2008 5:53 PM

Yeah, right...we recognize your hateful drivel svreader.

here in NYC al sharpton is our version of the racists wright and obama.

all ignorant blacks who think they're going to keep hope alive by voting for obama

obama and his black bad black mama michelle can go to well, you know wot im talkin bout, leeroy!!! get off da bus!!!

Here it is:
THE REST OF THE STORY (that Hillary doesn't tell, but Indiana voters remember very well)

excerpted from McClatchy Report...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/35337.html

"In 1995, General Motors decided to sell the Indiana-based Magnequench to a Chinese-American consortium.

The consortium included:

San Huan New Materials and Hi-Tech Co, a company owned by the Chinese Academy of Sciences;
Onfem Holdings, a company controlled by the State Nonferrous Metals Industry Administration in the Peoples Republic of China;
Soros Fund Management, headed by George Soros;
The Sextant Group, founded by Archibald Cox Jr.;

"Because Magnequench made magnets for smart bombs, the sale to a group that included foreign owners required approval under a 1988 law.

"After a 30-day review, the Clinton administration's Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, which includes representatives of the Pentagon, approved the sale in 1995.

"The buyers reportedly promised to keep manufacturing in the United States.

"Yet in 1998, they started building a plant in China, close to the source of the raw materials used in the magnets.

"The company reorganized in 1999, buying out Soros as well as Onfem Holdings.

"In 2000, Magnequench bought a magnet factory in Valparaiso, the same year it started operations at its China plant.

"In 2001, it closed its original plant in Anderson, Ind.

"And in 2003, it decided to close the Valparaiso plant, laying off its 225 workers."

hey obama suckers, bill clinton is gassing up the bus to run over obama with it

all other blacks can move to the back of the bus

they've pushed their cause back fifty years

the collards have shown their true colors

it's only right to vote white

Zombie, what do they say about young? It rhymes you know. Votes are not dictated by anyone but by your conscience.
Hillary is the only candidate who can help our economy just like Bill Clinton did.

"Im a student, my professor told me to vote for Obama, so I did)"

Posted by: Zombie | April 30, 2008 2:08 PM

Wow!! I think we won already ... McCain ... there is alot of nastiness going on here ... Even our red states don't think like this ... Go Clinto Go

I think dylan is a Clinton supporter - republicans don't talk ot think like that!!

Obama has written that he hates his mother's race. He never bothered to show up when his mother was dying of cancer. He adores his muslim, polygamist, deadbeat foreigner father. Perhaps potentate of Kenya is a job he should seek.
Today's NYTimes says Obama became a Christian in 1988 after being converted by Rev Wright. Does he still deny that he was a muslim by birth.
Rev Wright gave him credibility in the black community after he was having a hard time penetrating the black community on behalf of white Jewish left-wing community organizers/rabble-rousers. Obama is an opportunist who threw his grandma and "uncle" under the bus when politically expedient. Although it took him 20 nanoseconds to dump grandma and 20+ years to dump "uncle" and that too only after uncle exposed the fact that Barry will say and do anything for political gain.
Time to put the hustler in his place. Go shoot hoops in the hood and leave America alone. About the only thing he has shown he can do.

after all is said and done obama remains a racist piece of scum who will bring down the Dems for years to come

the blacks are to blame for acting like the ignorant low class illiterates they are. Blacks will not have any party left to leach off of after this election!!!

obama back to kenya!!

Black will always vote for black, they have a close affinity to each other no matter what. Wright and Obama will appear like they will denounce each other but it will just be a show so that Obama can win the election. I can just see the Wright, Obama and the black community winking at each other. Wink wink...

20 MORE YEARS of Bush - Clinton- Bush - Clinton then comes my favorite Jeb Bush then Chelsia

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Why do I need to chill out, Joyce? I never denied gender and racial patterns in voting. In fact, I believe they are pervasive.

Minnesota Man Claims He Took Drugs & Had Sex with Barack Obama in 1999
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Barack Obama now faces a new challenge - one that is sure to be much more scandalous than anything he's seen so far. If the allegations are to be believed, it's also a scandal that his campaign has tried to cover up. A Minnesota man has come forth, claiming that he took cocaine in 1999 with Obama, the then-Illinois legislator, and participated in homosexual acts with him.

Larry Sinclair, the man making the claims, said his story was ignored by the news media. Still not willing to let this one slip quietly under the rug, Sinclair made a YouTube video in which he made his case. It's had over half a million views already, but the story has still been largely ignored by the news media.

Sinclair's next step was to file a suit in Minnesota District Court, in which he alleges threats and intimidation by the Democratic presidential candidate's staff.

Still out to prove that he is telling the truth, Sinclair said he is willing to submit to a polygraph test. A website (WhiteHouse.com) has come forth offering him $10,000 for the right to record the polygraph test, and another $100,000 if he passes it.

Sinclair lives in Duluth, Minnesota, and in his filing, charges that his civil rights have been violated by Barack Obama and the Democratic Party. Obama, David Axelrod of AKP Message & Media in Chicago, and the Democratic National Committee have been named as defendants in the case.

Sinclair, who describes himself as gay, claims they met in an upscale Chicago lounge. They left in Sinclair's limo, where the drug use and sex allegedly took place for the first time. Sinclair says that Obama smoked crack cocaine, and that he snorted powder cocaine provided by Obama.

Sinclair, 46, says that he no longer uses drugs. He claims to be physically disabled, but says that he was not physically impaired in 1999 when they met.

Regarding the claims, Sinclair said:

"My motivation for making this public is my desire for a presidential candidate to be honest. I didn't want the sex thing to come out. But I think it is important for the candidate to be honest about his drug use as late as 1999."

From one Jack to another ... not stupid my friend ... this is how our plan is unfolding.

Can't picture Barrack in the White House
Can't picture Bill Clinton back in the White House - Chaos is right ... what will Bill be doing beside defining the word "is"?

According to a report issued in March by the Congressional Research Service, General Motors sold Magnequench in 1995 to a group of investors including Archibald Cox, Jr., the Sextant Group, Soros Fund Management, and two Chinese firms, one of which was owned by the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

In 1998, Magnequench began building a plant in Tianjin, China, which began operating two years later.

In 2000, Magnequench bought a neo magnet plant in Valparaiso, Ind. that had been owned by a French firm. But in 2003 it decided to close down the Valparaiso plant.

Money-losing plant
"The plant closed because it was losing $5 million a year," said Cox, the former chief executive officer of Magnequench. "The rare earths were Chinese, the technology was Japanese. There were no secrets to give away and we gave none away."

While the Chinese partners were 60 percent owners after the 1995 purchase from GM, subsequent refinancing reduced the Chinese stake to below 20 percent. To characterize the company as a Chinese company at the time the Valparaiso plant was shut down in 2003 is wrong, said a person then involved in the company.

In 2005, Magnequench merged with a Toronto-based firm AMR Technologies, with the new firm called Neo Material Technologies.

"Magnequench divested itself of its business units that make magnets in favor of concentrating on producing the Neo powders that the firm supplies to other firms that, in turn, make the Neo magnets," said the Congressional Research Service report.

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Nevertheless Magnequench, now part of Neo Material Technologies, "holds important patents that make it the only legal supplier of Neo powder for bonded Neo magnets manufactured or sold in the United States and it has approximately an 80% share of the world supply of Neo powders," said the Congressional Research Service.

The report added, "The Magnequench patent significantly restricts competition within the United States."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24315615/

Blkdude...As Bill would tell you. Chill out! There are many women voting for Hillary because of gender. And I suppose McCain will get the geezer vote. (Sorry, that was mean.) I fit Hillary's demographic as an older white woman, but I voted for Barack Obama because I prefer his ideas and inclusive leadership style. So, I guess we both went where our hearts and minds guided us and came out on different sides. So be it.

1) bitten blue collar workers are really cannon fodder. You think Bush and Cheney and oil barons are sending their sons to Iraq??
you gotta be stupid

2) If you guys hate Bush but think McCain is going to be different because he likes to keep away from Bush .. you gotta be stupid

3) If you limbaugh watching oreilly junkies think McCain can win by getting clinton to win prmary through Operation Chaos and then by a swift boating Obama and then sabotaging Florida again.. not this time you gotta be STUPID.

Here is the equation:

CLINTON wins the nomination - this supresses the black vote already discouraged. McCAIN WINS!!

Martin Edwin Anderson - Jake has it wrong! Do you people ever research before you post?

"In 1995, Magnequench was purchased from GM by Sextant Group, an investment company headed by Archibald Cox, Jr-the son of the Watergate prosecutor. After the takeover, Cox was named CEO. What few knew at the time was that Sextant was largely a front for two Chinese companies, San Huan New Material and the China National Non-Ferrous Metals Import and Export Corporation. Both of these companies have close ties to the Chinese government. Indeed, the ties were so intimate that the heads of both companies were in-laws of the late Chinese premier Deng Xiaopeng."

http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair04072006.html

To the anonymous poster, I posted that message, not "Just Mark." And I included that intro because he made the claim that the Dems do not want to "infuriate" black voters. Well, I already am infuriated!

As for your "concerns".....

No, my opinion does not matter more than anyone else, but if people are worrying about "infuriating black voters," then I guess they should hear from me! The Obama Internet Angels have been the ones spreading the gospel of racism and suicidal voting in rural America - not Clinton supporters.

I am not voting for Obama. I cannot speak for other blacks, but I can tell you this: they are lying if they say his race does not impact them at all! Same with many of his self-whiteous supporters. Most of the rest of your racial arguments arent worth responding to because I never said or implied those things.

PS: I didnt make that comment about African Americans. I was quoting someone else.

Go Clinton Go

What a way to get at O'Bama without bringing up race or Hussein

Republicans all over these United Sates want CLINTON - because no one wants to see Bill Clinton get a 3rd term.

Rewpublicans in the White House for at least another decade - Reality Bites!!

TO APRIL:

1. Ken Starr is not running for Prez either, but you guys seem to think that all of his investigations against the Clintons prove they are satanic.

2. I certainly do not think this Wright thing should derail Obama's candidacy, but your arguments about Hillary Clinton's bad judgment are reductionist and wrong. First, the health care thing occurred over a decade ago! Clinton is a second-term Senator, who by all accounts, reaches across the aisle -- much more than the Lord Obama. Also, there was absolutely no political consensus on universal healthcare then. Not even one state had universal coverage. Now, Mass does, and others are planning. It is a different issue today. And if you think that Clinton caused people to be uninsured, then you probably believe that Obama made the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th. What a joke!

Also, 80 percent of the Senate supported the War. I vehemently disagreed with it, but voted for Kerry, because the party nominated him. I am not willing to say that Obama is better qualified for office than 80% of the Senate. There are a lot of things that go into being a president, and no one is perfect. This one decision does not render her unfit. Besides, no one really knows what Obama would have done had he been in office. Now that Wright is a problem, he threw him under the bus. Why wouldnt he abandon his anti-war stance with all of his colleagues voting for it?

3. I am glad you voted in a caucus, and no one is trying to take your vote away from you. But the caucus states did not record the popular vote. Also, caucuses are way under-attended, relative to primaries. They are also anti-democratic, because they discriminate against the poor, elderly, people with poor English skills, and persons with childcare obligations. So your vote was NOT just as Democratic. The constraints on caucus participation burden disadvantaged groups. No amount of touch-feely language can change that.

4. Obama too has argued that he is the "better candidate to defeat John McCain." So, I guess he's a fool too. Which fool should we select?

5. Thanks for calling us cheap, idiots and fools. I am now ready to "band together" with you. Not really, but it felt good. My principles are anti-sexist, anti-fake leftist politics, anti-villification of loyal Dems, anti-castigation of poor voters, and a deep loathing of people who invent claims of racism for a post-racial man who runs from race. Use that energy to fight for black kids in crumbling schools, not to protect Obama and the Rutgers basketball team. Fake liberals!

DISPATCHES FROM THE GROUND WAR ...

ABC NEWS REPORTING ON THE TANGLED WEB THE CLINTONS WEAVE ...

Hoosier Responsible?
Clinton Decries China's Acquisition of Indiana Company -- Ignoring Her Husband's Role in the Sale

By JAKE TAPPER
Apr. 30, 2008--

As she campaigns throughout Indiana, Sen. Hillary Clinton has been talking quite a bit about Magnequench, a Valparaiso, Ind., factory that moved to China.

"We've got to elect a president next January who's going to remember Magnequench," Clinton told voters in Valparaiso on April 12.

It seems, however, that when it comes to Magnequench there's quite a bit that Clinton has conveniently forgotten.

"We went to Valparaiso," Clinton told voters in Princeton, Ind., last night, "where there used to be a plant called Magnequench that made the magnets that helped to guide the precision-guided missiles, the so-called smart bombs. You've seen those --they take off, they go down the chimney, they were incredibly sophisticated and these magnets, you know -- not the kind you put on the refrigerator, like we all do -- but these really sophisticated magnets were instrumental making that happen."

Clinton continued, saying, "Well, a Chinese company bought Magnequench and then they decided that they were going to move the whole company from Indiana to China. Now the president of the United States has the authority to veto that kind of a move, but Senator [Evan] Bayh begged the Bush administration not to export it it was going to lose jobs but it was also going to lose the know-how, the technical sophistication that created those magnets. President Bush and his administration wouldn't, basically wouldn't even give Evan Bayh the time of day. Those jobs left, and along with them went the savvy to make the magnets."

What Clinton doesn't tell voters is that Magnequench was originally sold to Chinese interests during her husband's administration, which okayed the move despite concerns about national security and eventual job loss. Experts say the Chinese acquired the "technical sophistication" that created the magnets long before George W. Bush took office.

Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind,, Clinton's top surrogate in the state, often joins her on the stump in bashing the president for allowing Magnequench to move abroad. What Bayh doesn't tell voters these days is that he has blamed the company's moving on a 1995 decision made by Clinton's husband's administration. ...

I guess you didn't get the latest smear memo. Now you're supposed to say radical, black, christian, pinko commie. Try to keep up.

You Hillary Supporters are STUPID-BITTER-POOR-OLD-UGLY-RACIST-RETARDS

Saudi Arabia has King Hussein. Iraq has Saddam Hussein So why USA cannot have President Hussein? Maybe a muslim brother can talk to another muslim brother and we will have cheap gas and the World will be at Peace after all.... Let's give him a chance for a change.

FAIRY TALE:

Clinton: "I think this election, particularly here in Indiana, is about jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs..." Voice Over: "She's ready to turn our economy around. Stop tax breaks that move jobs overseas."

FACT:

CLINTON VOTED FOR $136 BILLION "BIG TAX BREAK" FOR CORPORATIONS SHELTERING PROFITS IN INTERNATIONAL TAX HAVENS

Clinton voted for the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004, a bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to remove impediments in such Code and make our manufacturing, service, and high-technology businesses and workers more competitive and productive both at home and abroad. The bill which repeals the extraterritorial income (ETI) tax regime in response to a World Trade Organization (WTO) ruling against the United States; creates a new manufacturing deduction equal to nine percent of a company's domestic production income, effectively reducing the tax rate on such income by three percent, from 35 percent to 32 percent; and allows U.S. companies to pay a lower tax rate on funds repatriated from foreign subsidiaries for one year (the rate would be 5.25 percent instead of the normal 35 percent corporate tax rate). [S 1637, Vote 211, 10/11/04, Passed 69-17; R 43-3; D 25-14; I 1-0]

AJCA Provided $42.6 Billion Worth Of New Tax Breaks On Overseas Income For U.S. Based Multinational Corporations Over Ten Years.

The American Jobs Creation Act of 2004 (H.R. 4520) included "more than 20 new tax breaks, totaling $43 billion over 10 years, would go to U.S.-based multinational corporations for their overseas income. For example, nine foreign tax credit baskets would be reduced to two, making it easier for companies to subtract taxes paid to foreign countries from their U.S. tax bills." [CBO Cost Estimate, 11/9/04; CQ Weekly, 10/9/04]

Kerry Spokesperson Phil Singer Said The American Jobs Creation Act of 2004 Gave Tax Breaks For Companies That Ship Jobs Overseas.

Phil Singer, spokesman for Kerry said of the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004, "There are a lot of important things in this bill, like ending the punitive European tariffs on our manufacturers and cutting taxes for American manufacturers. But George Bush filled the bill up with corporate giveaways and tax breaks for multinational companies that send jobs overseas." Singer said that Kerry would "call for the repeal of the 'unwarranted' international tax breaks." [Washington Times, 10/23/04]

New York Times:

Americans Jobs Act Gave Companies "A Big Tax Break To Bring Home Their Offshore Profits." The Americans Jobs Creation Act gave companies "a big tax break to bring home their offshore profits." [New York Times, 7/24/07]

An earlier post said Obama only wins Red states. The States won by Clinton in primaries will not necessarily be lost by Obama and in some instances her runs better, as was shown by a poll out today showing him running 10 points better than Hillary against McCain in New Jersey taken from April 24 to 28 (after the PA primary and during part of the latest Wright distraction).He has won primaries in blue states of Wisconsin, Maryland, Connecticut, Delaware, Vermont, Hawaii, Washington (non binding), Illinois (by a wider percentage and voter margin than Clinton in New York),and caucuses in Minnesota and Washington. A number of polls have had him running better than Clinton in Michigan and he has run better than her in Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Oregon, Washington, California as well as other states against McCain.

Just Mark. You preface your response with I am an "infuriated African American." Tell me, does your opinion matter more because you are African American? Do people who are white have less an opinion? Should white men not count as much because they are "evil" or racist." The reason that race is become such a huge factor in this debate is not because of the candidates, but because of the people supporting the candidates. From what I hear from everyone is they are more disenfranchised. According to the way people express this, the a female who is black has the most influence, after all it is the most discriminated on right???

I have heard many people who are black say they are voting for Obama because of his policies because they agree with him, not because they share the same skin pigmentation. However, these people also say they are a black voter voting for Obama. These two statements seem to contradict.

Now this will seem hypocritical, however it is meant to prove a point.

I am a white male. I am voting for Obama. However, if I were to support McCain would It be because I am a racist and fear the change of a female or non-white voter? I certainly hope not. Because if this were the cast that it would be doing the same thing that people are accusing blacks who vote for Obama are.

After this you do state that the democrats will not want to infuriate the African American voters...... so yes you do believe African American votes are more important. What strikes me as odd is two fold. One, you are employing a racist idea that the democrats need to prioritize you because your African American. And Two, you are disenfranchising many other people. Do you forget that not every black person is African American? African American is a reference to ancestry, not skin color.

Finally, True your argument than no one has a 50 state plan to WIN 50 states. Although, you want to appeal to as many people as you can.

1) JEREMIAH WRIGHT IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
2)You say the Wright thing shows Barack's bad judgment (e.g. he sat in that church for 20 years) Obama didn't kill anyone sitting in that church. Clinton voted for a WAR that has killed over 4,000 Americans. Clinton refused to even work with other DEMS to get healthcare passed in the 90s. 47 million Americans don't have it as a result. Gee, which instance of bad judgment is worse?
3)I voted at a caucus. I am an American. My vote counts, you morons. At caucuses, just so you know, you make your vote in SECRET just like voters at a primary. No one tries to convince you of anything. The discussion part of the caucus focuses on which issues should be on the state and national party platforms. My vote was just as democratic as yours, idiots.
4) Arguing about which Democrat is electable is foolish. We nominated Hubert Humphrey ('68), Walter Mondale ('84), Gore and Kerry because they were "electable." Umm, President Mondale anyone?
5)The only way the Dems can lose this election is if WE THE VOTERS keep engaging in this stupidity and don't band together behind OUR candidate in the fall. We HAVE to win. John McCain is a disaster for this country. Why isn't your country more important to you than you own cheap, personal satisfaction? Are you twelve?
Christ on a Cross, people.

DISPATCHES FROM THE GROUND WAR ...

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS REPORTS FORMER CLINTON STATE SWINGING OBAMA'S WAY ...

Poll shows Obama ahead with N.J. Democrats

April 30, 2008

TRENTON, N.J.

Support among New Jersey Democrats in the presidential race appears to be shifting to Barack Obama.

A Monmouth University/Gannett New Jersey poll finds 45 percent of the Democrats and Democrat-leaning independents surveyed would like to see Obama get the party's nomination compared to 38 percent for Hillary Clinton.

Clinton beat Obama in the state's Democratic primary in February by a 10-point margin.

Nearly 40 percent of the Democrats polled say the continuing battle between the presidential candidates will damage the party's chances in November. ...

Please spare us -- more race baiting by the Lord Obama's Internet Angels. Sorry, I reject the argument that a vote against Obama is rooted in racism. I am a civil rights attorney, and I have spent my career representing victims of racism, sexism, and sexual orientation discrimination. I am more progressive than those fake liberals at Daily Kool-Aid, Obamingtonpost, and Obamico.com. All they want to do is purge their white guilt by supporting the post-racial black guy, who is just black enough to earn free coolness points and qualify as the first black president. It's all very pathetic. I support Clinton. I am not a racist. And if you suggest I hate myself, then you are just another pathetic person who subscribes to the belief that blacks who engage in decent suffer from a pathology.

"This country is falling apart at the seams. A dying empire. The white men who have pilfered this country and profited from their mis-deeds are afraid that they may lose their grip. This is a racist nation that will never vote for a woman or a black man, regardless of how competent they may be. Intelligence used to be a good quality, now the republicans have convinced the ill-informed that it is now a negative, elitist trait. Better that the masses don't understand that they are getting screwed. This country will never recover. There is a bumper sticker out there that says," If you think education is expensive-try ignorance". We are there and we are getting what we deserve. We have an un-informed electorate and they are voting accordingly. Vote for McCain and WWIII, the morons can grab onto that idea .

Posted by: Steve, Albany, NY | April 30, 2008 4:12 PM"

FAIRY TALE:

Now gas prices are skyrocketing and she's ready to act again. Hillary's plan: use the windfall profits of the oil companies to pay to suspend the gas tax this summer. Barack Obama says no... again. People are hurting. It's time for a president who's ready to take action now. Barack Obama says no to suspending the gas tax

FACT:

Economists Agree: Most Savings from Gas Tax Holiday Are Passed on to Producers, Not Consumers. "James Hamilton, professor of Economics at the University of California-San Diego, said that most of the benefits from a temporary tax moratorium would likely go to producers rather than consumers. He said that states that suspend gas taxes are able to respond to rising demand more efficiently than the country as a whole, because gasoline supplies can be easily moved from one state to another. "Prices would certainly rise to the market-clearing level," said Hamilton. "I would expect the price [of gas] to go back to very close to where it was before [the tax cut], in which case consumers would not see any benefit." Another economist, Jeffrey Perloff, of UC-Berkeley, agreed that a federal tax moratorium would likely have less impact on consumer gas prices than a state moratorium. He said his models showed that a suspension of the 18.4-cent federal tax on gasoline would likely result in a temporary 9 to 12 cent reduction in the cost of a gallon of gas to the consumer, with the remainder of the reduction coming in wholesale prices." [Washington Post Fact Checker, 4/29/08]

As I read the responses to both Rev. Wright's comments and the subsequent denounciation by Barrack Obama, it only shines more light on the racial divide in this country and the lack of understanding that some white americans have of african-americans. Rev. Wright expresses views that have been long held in the black community and those views that white american refuses to admit. Why is it that some people hate to admit that comments made by others are right on the mark.

Regardless of the latest news about him and his pastor, Hussein will be a fine US President.

If Obama fails to attract poor, white voters it is because those voters are racist. If Hillary fails to attract black voters in a race against a black candidate, it's her fault. That's logic according to this article, the elites, and the Obamabots and Hillarbashers posting here. Some might point out that blacks are, and historically have, voted more as a block than most so-called demographics. Some might think that such behavior is in itself as racist. I personally think it's their prerogative to support a black candidate if "they" want to.

But let's call it for what it is, blacks are voting for Barack because of his color. While the liberal in me wants to say that's not right or fundamentally wrong in some way. I can't. It is just what it is. I do think though, that people should then take pause before accusing whites, who are not voting in any such block, of being outright racist.

Further, the many, many people posting here that are spewing their hatred and dislike of Hillary. Your "contribution" to this dialogue simply implies your own personal and moral ineptitude's. In psychology, I believe it is called Projection. I suppose blogging is cheaper than professional therapy, but based on the garbage posted here, it certainly doesn't seem as effective. I recommend those who only want to post something hateful to give it a rest. You do more harm than good for you "cause." In fact, the more and more I read from Barack's supporters the more and more I dislike his canddiacy by association. The poor man doesn't deserve that...but watching his supporters is like watching a bunch sexist, elitist thugs dawn brown shirts and take to terrorizing the streets. They bash anyone for participating in the democratic process besides their holier-than-thou candidate. The two candidates hold most points of view in common, yet Barack's supporters act like Hillary Clinton is a right-wing conservative hell-bent on dismantling the state. So mis-guided you are about what matters in democracy.

HILLARY DIDI NOT START THE WAR! THE REPUBLICANS DID! AND IF ANY OF YOU DIMWITTS REMEMBER THERE WAS A WITCHHUNT GOING ON AGAINST ANYONE THAT WAS "ANTI-AMERICAN" AND AGAINST SADDAM HUSSEIN AND HIS "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION".
DON'T BLAME HILLARY SHE WANTED TO REMAIN IN THE SENATE LIKE ALL THE OTHER SENATORS THAT VOTED FOR THE WAR. SO WOULD HAVE OBAMA EXCEPT HE WASN'T IN THE SENATE AT THE TIME. SO DON'T FALL FOR THE REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDA THAT SHE VOTED FOR THE WAR....SO DID KERRY, EDWARDS AND ALL THE REPUBLICANS...BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN LABELED AS TRAITORS AND UN-AMERICAN HAD THEY NOT!!!!

Obama is unelectable (he can keep my campaign contributions). And I know Hillary is not 'stealing' anything (she can keep my campaign contributions too).

When the blacks vote along racial lines. It's called Identity Voting (in other words a soft name for racism), and it clearly means they are personally invested in voting for Obama (identity as in voting for yourself). so, no matter what happens, they won't vote for someone else. But, they are not needed anyway; they are MOSTLY in red states, so those states will simply be more red. Since the electoral process is an all or none process, there is no big loss to the Dem party for that. So go on black voters, vote racist (I mean identity voting) and everyone else can do the same and Hillary will be the first woman president of the US. Then we can finally get down to the business of fixing this screwed up nation (Thanks in advanced for the hard work HRC).

Wow....these commenters are sharp! Wonderful arguments here. You make me proud, speaking the truth the way you do! GO HILLARY!

Wake up, my dear Superdelegates, wake up! Come on out of the Clinton closet before its too late and the United States sinks rapidly into h*ll by a Barack Obama presidency.

Go Obama! Let's live for some hope, folks :) it looks like he's going to pull it out!

Mr. jacksmith.....all your points seem to vote for Bill Clinton and not for HIlary Clinton. She had tea parties while HER HUSBAND did all the work!!!
This time its HER who's running and NOT her HUSBAND

Well, I'm an infuriated African American. Obama does not have a 50-state plan. When is the last time a President won all 50 states? Get real.

"Hillary Clinton doesn't have a 50 state plan to win the election. She is behind in the numbers. The superdelegates will not want to infuriate the African American vote since they are far more important to the Democrats than the Reagan Democrats, who are fickle. And did you know: Clinton has sky-high negative opinion working against her.

Posted by: Just Mark | April 30, 2008 4:26 PM "

Hillary Clinton, (while shaking her finger in your face) "I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT SNIPER!!" OH, YEAH, LET'S VOTE FOR THIS NUT JOB.

FAIRY TALE:

The economy's in trouble. When the housing crisis broke, Hillary Clinton called for action--a freeze on foreclosures. Barack Obama said no. Barack Obama said no to a freeze on foreclosures. Wall Street Journal, 1/11/08

FACT:

New York Times Editorial: "Obama Has Endorsed The Best Idea Currently On The Table To Prevent Foreclosure." The New York Times wrote in an editorial, "Mr. Obama has endorsed the best idea currently on the table to prevent foreclosure: amending the law so that troubled borrowers can have their mortgages modified in bankruptcy court. That would give lenders a big incentive to work with borrowers -- reducing interest or lowering principal balances -- before they opted for bankruptcy protection. Mrs. Clinton has not endorsed bankruptcy reform. She has called for $30 billion in federal funds to bolster state and local foreclosure-prevention efforts and has proposed a 90-day moratorium on foreclosures and a rate freeze on subprime adjustable mortgages. Those measures also could help, but as the crisis has developed, the problem has become less one of resetting interest rates and more one of borrowers owing more than their homes are worth. Bankruptcy reform is a better way to deal with that problem." [New York Times, 3/27/08]

New York Sun: Some Critics Say That Clinton's Plan "Could Actually Make Market Conditions Worse." Clinton's "plan to rescue homeowners with a $30 billion federal aid package on top of a 90-day ban on foreclosures and a five-year freeze on interest rates for subprime mortgages could actually make market conditions worse, critics say. Private companies may be less likely to lend if they know the government can come in and override the deal, some conservative scholars warn, or they may add costly premiums to account for the uncertainty." [NY Sun, 3/25/08]

Fortune Writer Jon Birger: Clinton's Mortgage Plan Freeze Is "The Dumbest Solution To The Current Mortgage Mess I've Hear From A Top Presidential Contender" And "Would Be Disastrous." "Hillary Clinton is no dummy. Even her detractors know that. And yet in last night's Democratic presidential debate in Nevada, Clinton floated what is perhaps the dumbest solution to the current mortgage mess I've heard from a top presidential contender. 'I have a plan - a moratorium on foreclosures for 90 days [and] freezing interest rates for five years, which I think we should do immediately,' Clinton announced at what was the last Democratic debate before the Nevada Caucus on Jan. 19. A 90-day moratorium on foreclosures would throw a lifeline to some deserving homeowners, though I suspect it would only delay the inevitable for most. That's not my beef. Where Clinton goes awry is her proposal to freeze mortgage rates for five years, which is essentially a much broader version of a deal President Bush recently hammered out with lenders to assist some subprime borrowers. If Clinton's only goal were to bail out homeowners facing steep rate resets on adjustable mortgages, her plan would work just fine. For everyone else though, such a freeze would be disastrous. ... Then there's the long-term impact such a bailout would have on behavior. While Clinton's plan would no doubt save some legitimate victims who were duped into taking out bad loans, she'd also be saving the flippers and speculators who knew the risks of low teaser rate mortgages but figured (wrongly) that they could always sell their house for a profit if the reset mortgage rate proved unaffordable. Bailing out these folks now would only encourage them to take even bigger risks down the line." [Jon Birger, Fortune, 1/16/08]

This is why people want to vote for McCain. You guys have been asking Clinton to drop out since Iowa. YOu have been calling her all types of awful names and have been quick to blame her for any weakenesses concerning Obama. Also, the media have worked very hard to write a narrative of Obama The Great and Hillary the Evil. Well, we just do not like snowjobs. This party is already in the toilet -- having only one two-term president since Roosevelt. And now you treat him like scum. Well, the only two Democrat-appointed Supreme Court Justices were appointed by Clinton. The Clinton admin left a surplus and peace. You guys bought in to the Repub attacks and now believe everything they said about the Clintons. This is the most immature and self-destructive political community known to humanity. I started this race able to vote for Obama or Clinton. With every passive-aggressive statement like yours, which kicks Clinton in the face and then says "why won't you vote for our Lord and Savior Obama" I become more driven NOT to vote for him. Since he is the Messiah, he can win without my support. I don't hate Obama; I hate his supporters, including the media. And I hate the treatment of Clinton. Those are higher principles for me. And if I hear another "steal" the election lightening rod, I just might vote for McCain instead of just staying home!

"Is it really worth the trouble of upending the democratic party and it's voters to go against the popular vote? If she loves her party as much as she claims to, she should get out after Tuesday.

I really don't understand why Hillary supporters say that they hate Obama so much that they'd vote for McCain if Obama got the nomination. That makes absolutely no sense. to those people: take a look at what you really want out of your next president. McCain shouldn't be plan B if Hillary doesn't win."

We the people keep this up we will have a revolt! The Dems against the Repub against the blue collar against the AA. Wanna bet who wins? Hmm...I would have to pick the blue collar you know we have all those guns we cling to and guess what we know how to use them! We blue collar people can shut down your highways we can stop your food from hitting the shelves and who ya gonna call when your car does not work? A wise man said one time if I could get all the votes of the people with a 4x4 truck with a couple guns hanging in the back window and a confederate flag plate on it I could win any race in this country! Guess Obama never heard that one eh..LOL

Hillary Clinton doesn't have a 50 state plan to win the election. She is behind in the numbers. The superdelegates will not want to infuriate the African American vote since they are far more important to the Democrats than the Reagan Democrats, who are fickle. And did you know: Clinton has sky-high negative opinion working against her.

This is all pretty silly. Bitter-gate is so three weeks ago, and many of you go out of your way to take it out of context. That fact that some of you are that irresponsible with the truth is very sad to me.

But let's all be realistic about everything here. Clinton is not favored to win NC. She is not favored to win Oregon. And if she does win Indiana, it's not going to be by enough that will make very much of a difference in delegate count. When election season is over, she will likely have less delegates. Is it really worth the trouble of upending the democratic party and it's voters to go against the popular vote? If she loves her party as much as she claims to, she should get out after Tuesday.

I really don't understand why Hillary supporters say that they hate Obama so much that they'd vote for McCain if Obama got the nomination. That makes absolutely no sense. to those people: take a look at what you really want out of your next president. McCain shouldn't be plan B if Hillary doesn't win.

North Carolina and Indiana, do your civic duty and VOTE now AND in November!!!!!

This is an important election and your vote does COUNT!!!!

I am biased, I'm a Democrat, but I am excited to see all Americans so involved in the political process. Though quite negative, negative involvement for democrats is alot better than apathy.

Hillary is done. She doesn't know how to quit but that doesn't change anything.
And Rat, your party has had 8 years in the White House and has screwed up every single thing they've touched. Unless you own an oil company or have a defense contract, you should have sense enough to shut up for at least the next decade.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a0nkZ8Xcb3E

I wish Obama's dirty laundry would have been out before the Super Tuesday. We would not be in this mess.

Why is Jake D so obsessed with middle names? Why does he spend all his time being the first person to comment on political stories on wapo.com.

Sad.

Posted by: MK | April 30, 2008 4:13 PM
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It is a sign of self induced psychosis brought on by severe exposure to clintonian fertilizer (manure).

Oh I think Edwards might be endorsing me today!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6_csaVnhXZ0

hillary

Go Dems!!

Obama '08! C'mon Indiana and N.C.!! Deliver a great margin! =)

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 30, 2008 4:12 PM
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That is a GREAT WAY to support your candidate. No negativity.

This is why Obama got mad - HE GOT SMOKED OUT! He was not mad about Wright's anti-American, racist rants until a few days back. But what made him mad is that his lack of credibility was exposed by Mr. Wright when he said "Politicians say what they say and do what they do based on electability, based on sound bites, based on polls," Wright told the Press Club. "Preachers say what they say because they're pastors. . . . I do what pastors do. [Obama] does what politicians do." A few days earlier, in an interview with PBS's Bill Moyers, Wright said Obama, in his Philadelphia speech attempting to calm the controversy created by Wright's sermons, had said "what he has to say as a politician."

Oh my gosh, it's that sweet!! Someone made a website just for me!!

http://www.Hillaryproject.com
It's wonderful!!

All the best,
Writing from NY,where I never lived till I ran for office!

Hillary

Why is Jake D so obsessed with middle names? Why does he spend all his time being the first person to comment on political stories on wapo.com.

Sad.

This country is falling apart at the seams. A dying empire. The white men who have pilfered this country and profited from their mis-deeds are afraid that they may lose their grip. This is a racist nation that will never vote for a woman or a black man, regardless of how competent they may be. Intelligence used to be a good quality, now the republicans have convinced the ill-informed that it is now a negative, elitist trait. Better that the masses don't understand that they are getting screwed. This country will never recover. There is a bumper sticker out there that says," If you think education is expensive-try ignorance". We are there and we are getting what we deserve. We have an un-informed electorate and they are voting accordingly. Vote for McCain and WWIII, the morons can grab onto that idea .

Go Dems!!

Obama '08! C'mon Indiana and N.C.!! Deliver a great margin! =)

If you want any respect, why don't you post THE TRUTH? Two trial courts have dismissed Clinton from this lawsuit -- and it is not a criminal trial. Instead, some looney argues that he held a fundraiser for promises that he would be a business partner with Bill after he left office. Well once he discovered he was a criminal, they cut him loose. Factcheck.org has the information, if you care to know the truth. Also -- the FEC denied any wrongdoing by the Clintons. This is a pathetic lawsuit.

"If Hillary was so electable then why couldn't she win what was called an "inevitable" election? She also has a trial concerning a fundraising scheme set for November."

We'd like to thank the McCain and Clinton Hate Machines for their contributions to today's column. It's good to see that all the people tossed onto the street when Reagan closed the mental hospitals found jobs working as political hatemongers. Thanks to you and the candidates you support, America continues to become just another nation like Russia, China, and Zimbabwe, instead of the beacon it once was. Being admired for liberty and justice was such a bother...

Talk about a liar and a fraud, does anyone come to mine? We as Americans should stand-up and research these Politian's for ourselves. Obama, Clinton, and McCain all have skeletons in there closets and so do we. The election should be about who Loves This Country and It's People who can or will make rational decisions. Name One charge that have been proven against Obama, Clinton, or McCain. Stop the fighting and get educated on the facts of the candidates, it's not about the party it's about How We Are Living 8 Years Later!!!

Only complete charlatans or morons would say that an election is over six months before election day. Get a grip. Hillary may have been running for 2012 for the last 8 weeks but that does not mean it is over.

Yes, you're right Chiman. The American people are going to vote to stay the course in this election. Afterall, 4000+ dead troops, a recession, and $5 gas... are not enough to fire Republicans from office.

No matter what you racists jackasses say, Billary can not beat John McCain because she will NOT get the African American vote! We know you think that we, as African Americans are not important - but think again. Most importantly, the superdelegates are thinking and they know if they want to win their own respective races, they better support Obama.

In addition, it is so sad that your racists beliefs keep you from seeing what Billary and McSame have to offer. Your baseless hatred for Blacks hamper your ability to see that the gas tax relief, for example, that those two nitwits offer is nothing - but since you can't admit that a Black man is speaking the truth and trying to address you as adults - a huge mistake - because you are nothing more than a bunch of racist idiots - you will vote against your own economic interests rather than support a Black candidate. You will continue to commit suicide as your financial status declines because you can not face the fact that you are bringing it on yourself by voting for Billary or McSame. Grow up - get some education about diversity and own your own racist attitudes of superiority, which are really a mask for your inferiority and vote for what's in your best economic interest - as opposed to voting against a Black man. Jerks.

You preface many of your claims on Hillary's qualifications on the many years she spent leading the country, no wait that wasn't her, that was Bill Clinton.

Well at least she was doing a lot of the behind the scene's work as VP, no wait a second, that was Al Gore.

So what was her extensive work again? Oh yeah, she did do the standard "First Lady pet project." True, she did a larger one than most first ladies - she took control of the health care plan. This of course was a smashing success... no wait that's right it was an abysmal failure, and she failed to get it approved.

Am I advocating that Bill won't be helping her? I am sure he will be guiding her hand, but that is all. She will not be a puppet to Bill like Bush is to Cheney.

Onto your statements. You first assert that Obama says the working class is "bitter" than add in a lot of your own words - non of which came from Obama. Taking one word doesn't make it a quote. Additionally, he was saying they are rightfully bitter - umm a lot of jobs going over seas kind of grinds my gears as well.

Than you go to say Obama has less experience than Hilary because of her husband - I've already answered this above - this includes bullet points 2-8.

On your 9th point you assert that Hillary was Bill's right hand. However, again this was Gore - or so we have learned to believe. Maybe Hillary really was VP in which case I apologize .... You also assert that he is "on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history" What record is this? Your personal one? And for What reason?

On your 10th point you say there is two master politicians on Hillary's side - her and Bill. Yet again you have yet to show one shred of her "master" skills that was HERS not her husbands.

On your 11th. You say that republicans supported Obama, and won't in the election come November. However, I seem to remember history a bit differently, wasn't it the republican's switching to democratic voters for the primaries to support Clinton in Ohio and Texas? ....... Oh yeah, that's right they did. So where are your examples of republican voting for Obama? As recent as last month a majority of republican's were voting for Hillary because of this reason. - True it may have changed recently due to the Rev Wright issues.

After this you go back to talking about how Hillary had as you put it "the audacity and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone" But remember she failed there. So while she may have supported it than - she couldn't do it.

As for individuals "nerves" Obama was always against the war, Hillary (under public pressure) began to support the war with many democrats for a time. Who's to say she won't bend her beliefs on other issues to gain public approval?

You than quote saying an Obama Aide said working class democrats not key. Which aide said this???? Please be more specific when attributing a quote.

You than go for the "crushing defeat" that Hillary won Pennsylvania. However, you forget to mention that she had a huge lead on him. So yes, he lost, and by more than he would of liked, but the margin of her win was much less.

So you say Hillary sounded as if she wanted Obama to win Pennsylvania????? Are you seriously that ignorant? She wanted to win it, if anything she sounded the way she did because she wanted to win by a larger number. She claims to be for the people like the Florida and Michigan voters to count. Yet, up until recently (when she really needed it) she was for the ruling of the Democratic Party that they should not and will not count. She is in this race for herself. She is NOT fighting for the American people by any stretch. She was on multiple occasions asked by her party to drop out because it was hurting the party as a whole by keeping this controversy up. She is the one to initiate the internal attacks that occur between herself and Obama.

You conclude with a quote of hers that she has more votes than Obama and any other candidate in a primary competition. Although it doesn't state that its by a slim margin - its only by .1 million and that's counting the votes in Michigan where Obama actually removed himself from the ballot. Obama was also supposed to win this state, which would have cut back into her numbers even more. None of this matter though, because Obama will make up the "so called deficit" in the remaining primaries where he is supposed to win all - except Indiana which could go either way.

RAT-The and the rest of you that dog Obama, he's gonna be yo daddy and yo mamma!!! lolol He IS our next president and I can just see all the those who doubted, just sick at home looking at a black man for president. If you think he won't YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!! lololol I laugh at all of you sucka's!

I just hoope there are no catholics criticizing Obama and Wright's relationship.

Any ex-catholics ready to denounce the catholic church. Rev. Wright hasn't been accused of the things the catholic church has AGREED to pay victims for.

Obama will be alright. There is a reason why the college educated votes for him overwhelmingly.

Of course she will struggle with the African American vote. They have already revealed that they are voting based on racial lines.
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So explain the old white lady vote if that is so bad.

Mainly, I remember a lots of investigations and no showing of wrongdoing, except a covered up head job. That's does not show Clinton is a "disaster," it just shows how nasty the Repubs are. What is happening to Obama now is just a prelude of what would happen to him as president. Funny - you would think that his supporters would now realize that what is going on to him is the same thing that happened to the Clintons. Instead, only the Great Lord Obama gets falsely accused and caught up in distraction. Apparently, for the Clintons, an allegation of wrongdoing by the Repubs is a conviction. YOu people claim to be liberals, but you dismiss basic concepts like due proces. HYPOCRITES.

"REMEMBER WHITE WATER, FILEGATE, TRAVELGATE, STEALING VINCE FOSTER'S PAPERS BEFORE SHE LET THE POLCE INTO HIS OFFICE, HIRING PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS TO DISCREDIT THE WOMEN BILL CLINTON ABUSED AND IN THE CASE OF JUANITA BRODDERICK-RAPED, HAVING TO RETURN MORE THAN $30,OOO. WORTH OF FURNITURE ETC. THAT SHE STOLE TO FURNISH HER NEW MANSION IN D.C. AND MORE. IN ARKANSAS REMEMBER THE HOG FUTURE BONANZA, AND TROOPERGATE. SHE'S A DISASTER AND VERY BAD FOR THIS COUNTRY.!!!!"