The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

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The Democrats were given the majority in Congress in 2006, with the promise to end the Iraq War and they have not done crap. They are still spending money and onlu until recently with November elections looming do they decide to get tough. Both parties are full of crap. Obama and Hillary will not bring the troops home, they are lying to us.

McCain is a delusional old man, that's all.

Anyone who beleives anything he says after all he's flipflopped is a complete moron.

Those who trust McCain to do as he says are truly a sad lot.

Now we have the range for the GOP end of the war

anytime between 2013 and 2108

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and what is "winning"? I don't think we've ever gotten an answer to that.

as for the 'league of democracies', isn't he referring to the UN? LOL.
if you don't know how to fix what you got, making a new one with the same blueprint isn't going to solve a thing.

More rhetoric. And how exactly does he plan to "win"? How exactly is his plan going to be any different than the status quo?

"I, as a Democrat, trust McCain more on ending the war by 2013 than Obama on ending the war in 16 months."
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You are More than likely a GOP troll, but whatever man. I actually felt a little sorry for Old Flip-Flop McBush standing in front of those gigantic American Flags that made him look so diminished and Old spouting all this nonsense about his "new" plan for undefined "Victory" in Iraq. Clearly, as soon as he realized that his "old" Plan: settle in for a hundred years if need be, wouldn't fly. Poor old Guy, someone needs to wake him up and tell him that the american Public isn't buying McSame.2 anymore than they were buying the fuzzy voodoo logic of the first McCain "plan" for a prolonged occupation in Iraq, not to mention that most of us haven't forgotten that he threatened to "bomb,bomb,bomb Iran" despite the fact that we barely have enough troops to do the job in Iraq and Afghanistan as it is.
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It's all coming down to competence. Obama is simply not competent enough to run the country. He is said to have a lot of support from "young people". You know why? It is precisely because these "young people" has NO IDEA what it takes to run a street corner grocery shop, let alone running the country.
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Thank you. As a 52 year old who supports Obama, this is the first time in a very long time that I been referred to as "young." At any rate, what proves Johnny Freeride's competence to run a Country? He has no "executive experience" (unlike a Governer who administers a State, Senators do not "run" the Country) ; McCain hasn't had a "real life" job in...wait has he EVER had one?
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"McCain's timeline in ending the war has taken away the only issue Obama thought he could count on. If the Democrat establishment insists on nominating Obama, the "Obama disaster" is sure to happen in November."
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The "Democrat Establishment" eh? Whoops gave yourself away GOP Troll...only followers of the 1994 era Newt Gingrich talking points use this grammatically incorrect way of speaking of the Opposition. Gotcha! Besides, until McBush defines what he means by "Victory" he has taken away squat from Obama. Wishful thinking my friend.

Anon 12:02-I have to agree. The plain simple Fact, is that we are supporting ANOTHER GOVERNMENT. It is up to the People of Iraq to get their Shi'ite Together. Darfur and so many other Problems are also things beyond much of our ability to control.

To ASSUME so much of Others, is DELUSIONAL!

Take me for example. I'd like to ASSUME, elected Congressmen like McCain, Hillary, and Barack Hussein, would FUND for Agents to go out to the Construction Sites, Landscaping crews, Service Industries and start handing out Fines to the Employers of every Un-Documented Worker they see!

And THAT, is right here, in THIS Country, by People WANTING the Job of Enforcer of the Constitution, WHO ARE ALREADY IN A POSITION TO DO SOMETHING-That, THEY ARE NOT DOING!

But, I guess expecting the ONLY People who can do the Job we were foolish enough to elect them to do, is Assuming TOO Frigging MUCH, out of the THREE SORRY WORTHLESS P'sOS Running for the Job of President!(Of THIS Country!)

mittromney.com

Read his "Issues". They have not changed, BUT, the Issues we are facing have, AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO!

Hind sight's 20-20. We need people who can ARRANGE better events to come, NOT promise to Magically Fix problems already existing due to Laws not being Enforced by People Hired to do so!

The RIGHT PEOPLE-Romney/ Huckabee!

The WRONG PEOPLE-Any existing Congressman who has NOT been doing what needs to have already been done!

Pink Slips for Congressional Dead Weight Time!

>>McCain's promise is to win the Iraq war by the end of his term, while his rivals vow to begin pullouts regardless of the conditions in the country.
>>"He's not saying win or lose, they come home in four years," said Mark Salter, a top McCain aide.

In the speech, McCain also described the America he hopes will exist after four years of his administration.

In that future America, he said, taxes are lower, congressional earmarks are eliminated and robust economic growth has returned. He promised a new international "League of Democracies" that will have stopped the genocide in Darfur. He said construction will have begun on 20 new nuclear plants and there will be a free-market plan to reduce greenhouse gasses. And he promised to have secured the country's southern border and offered a temporary worker program to illegal immigrants.

well, I *hope* the war is over by 2013 too. I can make up fairy tale dreams about what the perfect America looks like too. But at least I don't waste people's time making a speech about it, knowing it has no substance. give an actual plan or shut the #$%% up you sellout.

OK Libbies-Time for English 101.

What was said, in the Queen's English, was;

At the end of his Term, January 2013, the Conflicts in Iraq will be over.

In REALITY, that translates as "It could be over by tomorrow, but it will be over by 2013"!

Or, is that beyond your ability to comprehend?

What upsets me, are all the OTHER Pandora's Boxes he wants to Open! :-(

I cannot believe that mccain can claim this is a "good" thing--that we will be in iraq till 2013. This big announcement is supposed to appease voters who want out of Iraq? He's saying that while he is prez, he will keep them there longer than WWII also. Man, have we lowered the bar for accomplishments in this country.

Why is it if the surge is working we must stay in Iraq, and if the surge isn't working we must stay in Iraq? The republican plan? Stay in Iraq...

First he says time tables will embolden our enemy, now he wants a timetable? Yea ok...

John (Say anything) McCain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y395Tftgz0E

So, in 2013, if everything finally goes well as McCain claims - can we finally start the countdown on that 100 year occupation?

--Hillary Clinton declared recently:

"I'm going to work my heart out for WHOEVER our nominee is. Obviously, I'm still hoping to be that nominee, but I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a GRAVE error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama."

Hmm - when you invade a country, capture it's leader, subsequently hang him, is the war lost?

Mary O'Bryan -You and Yours might be able to appreciate what I have been, and am about to say.

I feel for you and the Loss of your Party.

See, I was raised a Democrat. My Father: Railroad Irish with political Ties towards JFK's Dad-New York.

My Mother: South Texas(Valley) Farmers.

They Worshiped the ground JFK walked on. I shared the Horror of JFK's Funeral, followed too soon by Bobby's with them.

THEN, came Jimmy Carter. Behind the scenes Teddy "Black Sheep" rode on his Family's Name, and twisted the once proud Democratic Party into what Lurch Boldly called: The Democrat Socialist Party!

The "Green" Party infiltrated the Democrats, and what has happened is simply the World Labor Party seizing control through Soros' Money and support mechanisms.

They should do the honorable thing, and modify the Name appropriately!

So O'Bomba-Nation is Half Black? Big F'ing Deal!

Clarence Thomas, Dr. Rice(Woman as well!), General Powell, and Alan Keyes are Full Blooded Americans of Color!

But, they are happy to just be considered AMERICANS!

Now, Hear this and Hear it well!

I think the Republican Party is about to suffer our Carter! Kennedy's Pal, Juan McAmnesty is NOT a person who I feel is right for the Job. Not that he is not qualified, or that he is not needed.

He should stay in the Senate, and promote his agendas there! The President is a Job for a Younger Man, that will Age Quickly! Bushie now, looks Older than his Dad!

Then, It is the Economy Stupids! We need Businessmen and Executives, in touch with the Real World, outside the Corrupt Beltway!

Everyone, PLEASE, go to Mitt Romney.com and review the Issues he has had laid out for Months now! They do not need Changing! HE, is the Right Man, who with Huckabee, and EVERY OTHER QUALIFIED BRAIN AVAILABLE in Cabinet Posts and Consulting Positions(Tancredo, Powell, Kucinich, Dr. Ron Paul, Thompson, Giuliani, ALAN KEYES, and more!), can organize said collection like a Company Board, and SAVE THIS COUNTRY(And carry the Dead weight of the rest of the stupid World! "Sigh").

It is NOT that I am all that much of a Republican Myself, as much as I am Most DEFINITELY NOT, a World Labor Party Socialist!

Sorry Juan McAmnesty-I want a Venture Capitalist who WILL Enforce Wage saving Federal Labor Laws, and who DOES understand Economics!

Senators, back to the Senate! Practice, Practice, Practice, and one day, YOU MIGHT GET IT RIGHT!

Hope this Helps!

RAT-The "Surfer"-AKA: PrawnDog! ;~)

I, as a Democrat, trust McCain more on ending the war by 2013 than Obama on ending the war in 16 months.

It's all coming down to competence. Obama is simply not competent enough to run the country. He is said to have a lot of support from "young people". You know why? It is precisely because these "young people" has NO IDEA what it takes to run a street corner grocery shop, let alone running the country.

McCain's timeline in ending the war has taken away the only issue Obama thought he could count on. If the Democrat establishment insists on nominating Obama, the "Obama disaster" is sure to happen in November. The "Obama disaster" means he will lose 40+ states, from New Hampshire to Connecticut, to New jersey, to Pennsylvania, to West Virginia, to Ohio, to Michigan, to Wisconsin, to Minnesota, to Iowa, to Missouri, to Florida, to New Mexico, to Nevada, to Oregon, to Washington, and yes, to California, on top of all the red states.

Remember that, the "Obama disaster" will happen because the Democratic grass roots do not want to see him nominated, and will abandon him in November.

To Mary O'Bryan - you had me at "hello."

Join me and fellow Clinton supporters for a national write-in campaign in November!

Together, we'll make history!

Hop aboard the Straight Talk Express! We're gonna plow right thru Obamaville!

Mary O'Bryan, you had me until you stated your age. Face it, you are over the hill. Thank the gods I am only 51, and not quite as old as you. Based on your rambling response, it appears the mind begins to break down, tragically and irreversibly, somewhere between 51 and 55. I hope Obama can find a cure for this before it happens to me!

Obama 08!

Women have been messed over for many years by the Democrat Party and it appears that millions of "US" will be returning the favor, should this primary season continue on its current path. Hillary Clinton is clearly the best choice to be our party's nominee for President. As a life-long Democrat, age 55, I think the way my party has hosed Hillary and their most loyal and largest voting block; women intolerable. I am confident the Democrat Party will pay a severe price for this blatant assault on women in November. Cry all you want about this being "sour grapes" but little good will result from your on-going efforts to rally Hillary's staunch supporters around your chosen candidate instead of the people's choice. Now, the Democrat Party leaders want women to get their pre- selected from the start, elite, wimp, Barack Obama elected in November. It will be cold day in hell before I comply and I also hope Hillary walks away from this Party. Most of the women, and many men as well, with whom I have contact are finished with the Democrat Party, now and forever. Also, many of "US" are starting a grassroots movement to insure these kind of sorry tactics employed by my now soon to be former party, never happen again. This clear favoring of Obama, making him the nominee because the party doesn't want a woman, especially a Clinton woman, is more that I can tolerate. Of all the gall, the Democrat Party now expects "US" girls, including Hillary, to turn over our undying support to Obama. Sorry guys, this is not going to happen. Obama has no shot of winning in November without Hillary's help and all of us, her supporters. Not on your life or in your wildest dreams is this going to happen. Democrat Party leaders take heed and you superdelegates had better wait to declare your support until the final results of all the primaries are tallied and the voices of all 50 states and territories are heard from. At that time, the real nominee of the people can be declared for the fall election. Let it be known that the damage has already been done to the largest voting block in America. However, it remains to be seen how deep these "bitterly disappointing and highly blatant attacks" are to women. In my mind, this is a travesty and affects all women of America. I for one will change my registration to Independent, and possibly Republican, on the day I vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton in the KY primary. Bye, bye and good riddance from Mary O'Bryan, Louisville, KY, to my former party, no matter what happens in the primaries left to come.

This real McCain ad will have you all laughing, or crying, or maybe you just won't care any more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-AJ-4XCfgQ

What? ONLY EIGHT flags as props behind Killer McCain?

Why does he hate America?

Posted by: kase | May 15, 2008 6:54 PM

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I'm still laughing Kase

Neville champerlian GOP member

appeasement "to give away to enemy"

example land like making Iraq and Iran both ruled by simular sect. then leaving Irag for Iran.

BUSH STOP APPEASING

The man is close to being a senile idiot. How on earth can he or anyone predict anything in Iraq??

It is good thing oBaMan received deserved endorsements from BerMan and WaxMan. Of course, LieberMan is already taken by McMan.

I want so badly to express my feeling on his 4 year plan complete this war. But I first must pick my jaw off the floor.

FOUR YEARS!!!!

That idea sends a shiver through me. It's time to put an end to this NOW.

Very well received by this hard-working white American voter. You have my vote. Thank you and let's pump more oil day-and-night from IRAQ while we are still occupying. Can you also assure rest of hard-working white Americans that you will bring down oil price from $125.00 to $30.00 per barrel? Mr. Trump thinks it can done.

""Senator Obama's vision for change has inspired tens of millions of Americans," Waxman, chairman of House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, said in a statement. "And he's also proved that he has the experience, judgment, integrity, and toughness to bring real reform to Washington. Our nation faces big challenges. We need to bring our troops safely home from Iraq. We need to solve global warming and finally enact universal health care legislation. And we need to create new jobs and strengthen our middle class. Senator Obama is the leader we need both here and around the world. He will be an extraordinary President, and I look forward to working with him to make his vision for change the new reality in Washington."

"Berman, chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, added: "Barack Obama has laid out a foreign policy vision driven by principle and conviction, and he understands that our moral authority and our safety as a nation go hand in hand. I spoke with him about a number of foreign policy issues that most concern me. He assured me that he shares my views. The moment President Obama takes office, we'll send a powerful message to the world that America is back and ready to lead again -- that we haven't abandoned the values that made us the light of the world, and neither should anyone else." "

With Conviction and well thought out even. They're convinced, and so am I.

Obama: I believe you're more serious about this than McCain is. You're not flipping on this subject because you've already had that stance. I look to you to Bring Our People Home. I'm sure they're ready to come Home. I'm on the general bandwagon to help aid in making that happen. God bless my fellow citizens; I'm voting for you too. =) Supporters, stand ready!

I have been asked who would I be voting for this November 4, on Election Day. My response, "It will not be any republican candidate." meaning that I might vote for a Democrat or any body else running for President of the United States. After voting for Republican candidates and causes since 1972, and after the fiasco of the last seven and a half years, I will never again vote for anything republican.
And No, John McCain, I don't approve of making legal the many illegal immigrants who are in the United States. I still believe that anyone coming into the United States after September 11, 2001, shuld leave this country immediately and take with him or her what they produced here, whether it be the wealth they earned or their children.
There can be no other way. Those who have arrived in the U.S. on work or student visa should be required to report every six months to an immigration office for verification that they are here legal and they have committed no crime. Failure to do so should be immediate deportation to their country of origin.

How many times is the U.S. going to win the war in Iraq. Did not President Bush declare in May of 2003, "Mission Accomplished." And now, after more than 4,000 slain American soldiers, Sen. John McCain is saying that he will end the war in Iraq during his four years in the White House. The Republicans have had seen years to bring our soldiers home. They have not done it yet. It's time the Bush Administration and the Republican Party senators and representatives start packing their bags and prepare to leave Washington, D.C. every last one of them.

What?
ONLY EIGHT flags as props behind Killer McCain?

Why does he hate America?

There have been two Presidents in USA that have acted decesivly and with courage. And I am referring to the two Republican Presidents Eisenhower snd Nixon both which ended a silly war in Korea and Vietnam. Mr McCain do not have the strength to follow in the footsteps of these able politicians.

You have got to be kidding. How convenient that he can wrap this up in 4 years.

John McCain (perhaps correctly, from a tactical standpoint) has long argued that the number of forces we have in Iraq is too low. The permanent "surge" was what he could get, but it far from what he wanted. He will find the troops, one way or another, and send them over.

I'm also perturbed by titles like "McCain: Iraq War Can Be Won by 2013." It's grossly misleading. What he did is hypothesize that everything will go swimmingly and we'll wrap up this mess in a few years (shades of Rummy and shock-and-awe.... still waiting to be greated as liberators). A better title is that "McCain Hypotheizes everything will go great, in which case we can reduce our presence by 2013" which is really what he said. Seriously, the press needs to reexamine how it presents information, because to many people scanning a news service it sounds like this is real, not a dream.

In the interest of being fair and balanced, the headline "Bush remarks seen as swipe" is also misleading. Obama saw them as a swipe, or his staff did. But I don't know that it was. "Parent Diplomacy" has been his mantra for the last 7 years (e.g., give Iran a timeout and send it to the corner). Now Obama exists on the national stage so it becomes a swipe? Maybe it was or maybe it wasn't, but the title does not distinguish. And titles matter.

"And McCain said he will ask Congress to hold regular question-and-answer sessions with him, much like the feisty exchanges that take place regularly between the British Prime Minister and members of the House of Commons."

Boy oh boy! I can see those exchanges now and they are nothing like the British in terms fiesty - they will show McSame's ANGER MANAGEMENT PROBLEM for what it really is! Being so OLD, he simply cannot hold his temper long enough to be seen as "fiesty"! That would be a sight, but we won't be able to see it since he will NOT BECOME POTUS!

You know, it really does not matter what year McSame says he can win this Iraq war because it simply is NOT winnable! With NO DEFINITION for "WIN" and a civil war in the making now, WIN is no longer an option and we want our troops home now! Anything McSame says now is simply PANDERING and the American people KNOW pandering when they hear it! So tell him to "save it" - it is just not going to work - NOT THIS TIME! The GOP can pull that trick "CHANGE YOU DESERVE", but we already KNOW the CHANGE we want and deserve and it is NOT coming from the GOP! Save it - NOT THIS TIME.

Furthermore, WHERE THE H8LL ARE MCSAME'S "MEDICAL RECORDS"????? WHERE ARE MCSAME'S "MEDICAL RECORDS" WHICH WERE PROMISED IN APRIL - WE ARE AWAITING THE MEDICAL RECORDS FROM MCSAMEBUSH! MEDICAL RECORDS???????

WHAT!?

John McCain't is saying what!?

Is he claiming 'Mission Accomplished'

and he has the slimmest of chances
of beating Obama.

He is insane.

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McCain:

"And I believe that the success will be fairly easy" and "There's no doubt in my mind that... we will be welcomed as liberators." [CNN, Larry King Live, 9/24/02. MSNBC, Hardball, 3/24/03]

"I think we could go in with much smaller numbers than we had to do in the past... I don't believe it's going to be nearly the size and scope that it was in 1991." [Face the Nation, 9/15/02]

"There's not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shias. So I think they can probably get along." [MSNBC Hardball, 4/23/03]

When McCain was asked "at what point will America be able to say the war was won?" He responded, "...it's clear that the end is, is, is very much in sight." [ABC, "Good Morning America," 4/9/03]

"Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course." [The Hill, 12/8/05 (Exactly one year before violence in Iraq peaked)]

McDENIAL

Wow, Let's ask him in two weeks when does he think the WAR will be won... and see what he says (hee hee).

PLEASSEEEEEEEEEE

Well well well,

It seems that McCain has split tounge worse than George jnr. How can the presumtive republican nomminee contradict himself so frequently and so blatantly and remain a geniune contender for the White House? What have you press been doing? Johnny boy needs to be slammed, ridiculed and exposed for tactics they are clearly desinged to serve nothing but his quest for office. Honesty is the best medicine, and America needs it badly.

Pres Bush's decision to engage in partisan intervention. What the hell is next for you people, another war. Hilary says that new cars will pull you through. How many of you can afford a new car in the next couple of years, how many of you leased??. You will not be attacked, hopefully if you vote as the America I have known for 40 years. Man you are screwed. What a shame your great powers could not attack and control Burma. That would be the America I knew.
Life is great.

ONLY WAY TO ANSWER B.S. LIKE THIS
IS WITH A MILITARY MAN DOING THE ANSWERING

Senator Jim Webb in the VP slot could tell McCain that this marlarkey is, in fact, b.s.

OBAMA / WEBB

People are quick to point out the error of Bush's ways and his Administration, but was it not the people who were the ones to elect him to a second term? You all should have seen this come after his first term yet u elected him again. It is clear to realize that McCain is going to be exactly the same way so WAKE UP AMERICA!

I expect the essence of the anti McCain views to come to one point - "How dare he?"

Well he will dare a lot. If you did not like "Bring it on." you will hate a McCain administration.

How dare he?

"Being old enough to remember Vietnam (and frankly being vehemently opposed to it) I find the similarities to be the following:

The political rhetoric on the anti-war side is virtually identical.

The political rhetoric on the pro-war side is virtually identical.

The difference for me is that now I am old enough to understand that war (any war) if it is to be fought, should be fought to win."
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With all respect, the issues go far beyond mere rhetoric. They go to a fundamental similarily between the two conflicts: both were prosecuted on immoral, illegal, untenable grounds. Additonally, delusional pronouncements from McCain notwithstanding, neither are "winnable" military missions.

I was old enough (16) when the Vietnam war ended to understand its illegitimacy, especially the lies we were told about what we were doing and why. I see the same lying in Iraq.

Equating cost of an illegitimate war with legitimate universal healthcare--healthcare undertaken in every other industrialized country--is extraordinarily disingenuous. There is zero moral nor financial equivalence between the two. An illegitimate war, which has been put on our children's "credit card," should be ended immediately.

A legitimate, morally defensible universal healthcare program can and should be instituted and paid for. It will not bankrupt this country, as this war has been. Look at a country like Switzerland, which had a political landscape fairly similar to our, and which successfully implemented universal healthcare in the '80s. Even their conservative president, who fought the new program like a wildcat back then, now understands and admits he was wrong then.

We need to end this war immediately and institute universal healthcare. Only one viable candidate is proposing that in the current presidential campaign.

Dear "old enough to remember Vietnam" -- obviously you don't remember it as a participant, or you'd never say something as stupid as equating the expense for a war (wherein people are blown up and maimed) and the expense for universal health care. Oh, and you failed to mention what this war is supposed to accomplish, other than being "won."
Not surprising that comments so idiotic would lack a signature. On some level, you've got to know you're talking out your @$$.

This "timeline" is as utterly meaningless as every other promise and prediction that's been made by BushCo. The only "timeline" that has any meaning is the one that starts bringing troops home today. "Soon," doesn't cut it. "Soon," is what my kid answers when I ask when he's going to wash his car.

I think another 5 years of this hated war(at minimum - when was the last time a deadline was met) is a hard sell to the war-weary American public. It will be especially hard after the Dems tie the war to the struggling economy. Five more years of economic doldrums anyone? On the surface, this may appear to be McCain positioning himself in the center, but in reality it's an enormous opening for the Democrats to exploit.

Being old enough to remember Vietnam (and frankly being vehemently opposed to it) I find the similarities to be the following:

The political rhetoric on the anti-war side is virtually identical.

The political rhetoric on the pro-war side is virtually identical.

The difference for me is that now I am old enough to understand that war (any war) if it is to be fought, should be fought to win.

Don't talk to me about the cost in dollars. The same people boohooing at the cost have no trouble promising universal health care, unchanged social security and cradle to grave social programs to the tune of TRILLIONS in deficits.

Don't talk to me of the wasted lives of our troops. They are wasted only when we leave before we win.

Is war frustrating? Yes. Is there a cost in human suffering and in dollars? Yes. Are our enemies correct when they say that America no longer has the stomach to fight a war, any war, for as long as it takes to win? The polls say yes. The dems say follow the polls. I say follow a LEADER.

I bet God told McCain this plan.

Mcbush and his double talk express will lead his followers straight over the cliffs to obscurity. The republicant party will be a minority party for years to come because of the lying, arrogant, incompetent, manner in which it has destroyed this countries standing in the world.

"We expected this, and it's a good move.

McCain will move to the center to get Reagan Democrats and Independents."
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Who is "we"? Aren't you forgetting the base of his party? They're not forgetting!

"Any more references to age or senility and I'm going to start writing racist comments. If you equate the two then you'll see how little they add to the discussion."
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But they're not equivalent: age and senility are medical conditions affecting decision-making; "race" is not.

I think it's perfectly appropriate to challenge McCain's compentence, especially when he claims we're "winning" now and can finish a job in Iraq that is not a military problem.

Especially when he claims we could have won in Vietnam.

No thank you!

Nice work McBush, I think you just cost yourself the election with that one. Only a senile buffoon would think a timetable of 2013 will win people over. So his solution to America's problem is staying the course and a holiday gas tax.

Now that the Republicans are loosing and have no future.... now all of a sudden they are flip-flopping and setting time lines! It is disgracefule that these Lifetime Politicians are playing politics with our Troops they claim to support. McCain you and your buddy Bush should be ashamed of yourself and resign immediately!
It's time to start drug testing our elected officials!

We expected this, and it's a good move.

McCain will move to the center to get Reagan Democrats and Independents.

Sure, the hard core dems, about 35% of us, won't go for McCain. But that's not his target.

We also know that we aren't completely withdrawing from Iraq in the next four years. Not under Obama, not under Clinton, not under McCain.

No way we give up our bases, or open the door to Iran, or give up the oil.

So now the real fight is on.

Five years. One hundred years. Really, what's the difference? The important thing is that ... I forget.

For purposes of our political deliberation, what we need is not some target date by which an indeterminate number of Americans will be withdrawn from Iraq. McCain is aping Hillary Clinton on this one while offering little more detail than she does.

What we need is specification of just how he would get us from here ("here" since after all this has become the Bush-McCain administration) to there...and where he would go, and how, beyond 2013.

Our leading newspapers and other media would do well to seize the opportunity now to question McCain since he has opened the door to this. And it is in McCain's interest to get the word out as to how we would proceed lest his words today be discounted as a mere flip-flop.

Generals and diplomats say the war cannot be won except when the Iraqi government decides to create an equal system... like 'Nam this war cannot be won by military and only a fool would say so. A vote for McBush is a vote to keep America on the wrong track.

Obama has a better plan. See for yourself.

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do-do-do-do-do-do (twilight zone) McCain as Bush is ignoring the will of the people..he wants to do it his way..don't you know that 2013 will turn into 2023 and the 2043 etc..oh! wait he wont't be around that long but I am sure that he will sign a deal if he is elected to keep America tied to death of our children and total devastation of our econmy... flip-flop-flip flop... he will say anything to get votes....he sees the handwriting on the wall for the Republicans so he is just trying to fool the voters into believing that he has a plan and he really doesn't.... except to stay in Iraq for 100 years and to bomb-bomb-bomb Iran.

Hot dog!

A real profile in courage from the war hero.
He's promising 4 more years of this stupid enterprise.
I wish he'd just suit up and go to Iraq and stay there.

And Obumble is no better.
The great anti-war candidate who kisses Lieberman's keister can't say anything about the war. Of course, none of his progressive admirers (one of them, Chris Bowers, wrote "We nominated the 'black guy'") give a hoot. They're just basking in their racist cocoon.

Poor soldiers. Poor us. Poor America.
No future.

Vote for McBush if you want more bodybags... war is good for Haliburton, Carlyle, etc.

Shamless, absolutely shameless!

It's obvious that McSame is planning to use the very lives of our soldiers in order to win himself another term in office, if anyone is fool enough to vote for him in the first place.

That's why McStupid uses "4 years" instead of any other number. It's common knowledge among politicians that no sitting President was ever voted out of office during a time of war.

NOW, MORE THAN EVER, BARACK OBAMA!

McCain is simply too old and he knows it. Back in 2000 he could not even beat a lunk head drunk named Bush.

He has no clue what winning the war means if he thinks it will be over by 2013. It's just more spin and hot air. He's not actually flipping on the issue, he will keep us there for 100 years if he could. He's just doing the soft sell just to get his foot in the door.

Don't be fooled.

How about this slogan for republicans:

OK, we hear you. we have screwed you plenty good. Now we will provide the change you deserve.

Wow! Only 5 more years from now and the war will be over...it's only cost us 4,000 troop up to now...so why not...we are winning everybody...!!!

How is ending the war in Iraq surrender?

Surrender to whom? AlQaida?. The pentagon acknowledges that Al Qaida (always an overblown threat to keep us in fear)is effectively done in Iraq.

So who are we surrendering to?
Al Quaida?
Sunnis?
Shiites?

By leaving, we are giving them back a country THAT WE HAD ZERO BUSINESS TO INVADE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

If leaving Iraq amounts to surrender in your opinion, I'll take it. Because we would only be surrendering to common sense and logic.

Right. The Change You Deserve. Sounds scary to me.

mccain is on the same drugs that the delusional WH occupant is taking....

"The Change You Deserve"

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Next thing you know, McCain will declare himself a Democrat to win this thing......not a chance, McBush.......

5 years or a 100 years, what's the difference to nut job McCain? It is unfortunate that the VC did not off this jerk as a good will gesture.

Any more references to age or senility and I'm going to start writing racist comments. If you equate the two then you'll see how little they add to the discussion.

Flip flop. Well, ask Obama about his pastor. He stands by the man for 20 years, gives money to his church, is married by him, has his children baptized by him - and when it is politically expedient to throw him under the bus; well, under the bus he goes. All the while, we get the toothy grin.

"In my opinion, it's selfish to give up and have all those soldiers who have died to have died for nothing. If you were to interview a dead soldier I guarantee that they would say "Finish the Job" because that is what they died for. They did not die to chicken out. "
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Wow...Kreskin! Another mind reader!

Christina said..."At least McCain has a plan."

That is hardly a plan. It's more like a prayer. You need to learn to ascertain the difference.

What McCain is saying is "I plan on waiting to see how it all plays out and hope its for the good." That is what he is planning on doing.

Obama has repeatedly said he is going to with draw troops after he is takes office.

One is a dream, the other is a plan. It's very simple. You either prefer apples, or you prefer oranges.

To my republican neighbors, I have two words (name)that you will have to get very used to...

Barack Obama.

What! A timeline! Surrender Monkey! Blah Blah Blah. Giving in to the enemy blah blah. Don't tell them what you're doing blah bla. Dems don't know what they're doing blah blah.

Rainy. Name some legislation that this neophyte has been involved in besides the lob that Harry Reid tossed him. This guys still has training wheels. If you take a stand, you make enemies. He hasn't and you say that this "freshness" is his biggest attribute. I wouldn't hire him to run a department, much less the entire executive branch.

If McCain really believes these predictions about Irag and Bin Laden then he really is senile and delusional and therefore dangerous. But hopefully it's just campaign rhetoric and thus harmless and forgettable.

daisymom4:

you are so typical of the neocon liars--Obama's campaign never "met with Hamas," and I'd love for you to try to substantiate that. Nice try at continuing that Swift-boat-esque technique of stating a falsehood and repeating it ad nauseam.

you should be ashamed of yourself.

McCain has a great plan. The Democrat's proposal of pulling out immediately will only lead to trouble. It will turn Iraq into a power vacuum and you know good things don't come out of power vacuums (Hitler anyone?). Withdrawing troops immediately would be irresponsible and bad leadership when the war is easily winnable. A good leader takes people to places where they can not go by themselves. By chickening out, a leader would not be taking us to a place where we as citizens can not get to.

This reminds me of the Civil War. When the North was losing in the beginning of the war many people questioned to continue. People soon realized that all the people who have died would have died in vain if they did not win the war. With that in mind , the North prevailed and got the job done. In my opinion, it's selfish to give up and have all those soldiers who have died to have died for nothing. If you were to interview a dead soldier I guarantee that they would say "Finish the Job" because that is what they died for. They did not die to chicken out.

We have Al'Queda against the wall, let's finish them off before they attack us again. Finish the job!

Good grief. McCain wants FIVE MORE YEARS of that war? He is delusional.

A previous poster stated:
"Iraq is a soverign nation that has to step up to the plate and act like it."

No, Iraq is a bombed, invaded, and militarily occupied country. The only way that they want to "step up" is to kill the American invaders and drive them out.

Keep talking about staying in Iraq McCain, for it will never get you elected.. This war is about Corporations winning Hugh amounts of money, while Americans go broke! Our children's, children will still be paying for this war that can not be won. Just like Afghanistan was one of the straws that broke the Soviets back, Iraq will break us. That and no regulations against the loaning institutions, the high cost of Health care and a broken interior. America can not go on borrowing money from China, like there is no tomorrow, or there will be no tomorrow...

Kudos to McCain for finally waking up and offering some details on what his goal might be if we were elected. Still, I suspect that he hasn't even considered the costs of waiting 4 more years to leave. Sure, it's doubtful that the puppet Iraqi government will be able to stand on its own without constant guidance, but why are American taxpayers being asked to foot the bill using Bush's "Emergency" funding tactics to hide the true costs? While the troops are capable of defense, they are not capable of winning peace at the point of a gun.

Should the US military withdraw in an organized manner, replacing combat troop presence with dramatically increased diplomatic and humanitarian efforts in concert with worldwide NGOs, how likely is it that Al Quaeda would have a chance to win the support of starving peasants who have nothing to lose? Less overt military actions mean less violence against our troops and less bitter hatred against America. I like that plan, and I'm going to vote for the candidate who will do this: Obama.

Everyday we see the steady, honest strength in McCain. The election in the fall will finally have 2 great candidates to choose from. Hillary Clinton will be the next President. Congratulations Hillary! The American people are so tired of all the bad dealings with Obama and hope it will be just a bad memory!

How many idiots falls for this Republican lower tax gimmick, how did it work for us in the pst 7 years, Bush gives 600 tax rebate, then he let his boddies in the gas imndustries take 6000. nice try.

Rumor is, John need not pick a V.P. running mate, Dick has refused to leave.

This guy accused mitt romney of cut and run, soley based on mitts setting a timetable for withdrawal.A timetable is surrender,sayeth mcsame. Now look

where is my straight shooter?

And look at the year he selected to withdraw---5 years out, 2013, The first year of Johnnie's second term.Clever,but not a very straight shot.

This girly man makes me puke.

Maybe in addition to the trillions on trillions we will have to borrow, we can ask China, maybe North Korea to loan us some of their military. In return we will promise to give tax breaks to the many Walmarts and not to call No. Korea evil anymore. Perhaps we can even short change the process and just give tax breaks to Iraq? That's worked so well for problem solving in American.

It's getting to be that the more someone
displays the American Flag--THE MORE THEY
WANT TO USE IT AS TOILET PAPER!!!
Take Prescott Bush's grandson for
instance.

Yyeaahh Rright....Now that Cindy sold her
Sudanese Al-Quada Stocks.

WHY, do I have the Bad feeling,

all those Pretty Flags,

say: "Made in China"? :-(

Why is this government playing chess with the lives of American servicemen? This goes beyond partisan politics.

I had a sibling serve in the Marine Corps in the first Iraqi war and I was petrified at the prospect that I may well never see my brother back in the states in one piece. The stress that war beings to American families is worthy of more than sideline cheerleading by either Republican or Democrats bloggers who have never had to endure such chaos.

McCain is saying that he'll end the war now, to get a vote here and there, while all along he has said that he didn't care if we were in Iraq for the next 100 years. Shame on him, esp. being a war vet himself.

Iraq is a soverign nation that has to step up to the plate and act like it. If they need support in that effort. That is the role of the United Nations, of which the U.S. is a part, but not the sum total.

I'll be honest, I like politicians inasmuch as I like ambulance chasing attorneys. They tend to come from the same law schools. But, suffice it to say, politicians can make decisions that can have very real consequences on the daily lives of all Americans.

This election for me is not about the words that the candidates or the manipulative media says. It is about how much my gut tells me that they are serious about the business of changing the direction of government. That perspective will extend beyond the presidential election, into the congressional elections as well as local. I don't care if the candidate is a Republican or Democrat or Green Party or Independent. If I have to choose from a lot of thieves, would it be wise for me to expect an honest one among them?

I, for now, support Barrack Obama, why? Because he is so aggressively attacked from all sides. In my experience, he who wishes to change the status quo tends to be he who is attacked the most. If his message changes, as to will my support. I am not a puppet to any particular party. I only wish all Americans would empower themselves in such a way.

Now let's hear his plan for the war with Iran.

Let me guess, it goes: "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran."

OMG! :-o

I actually AGREE with Steve Boyington.

Welcome,

to the

Twilight Zone!

Kudos to the partisan liberals on this board. You guys really know how to call people names! Haven't heard anyone called a "retard" since I was in grade school, but that's appears to be the standard for liberals.

mcsame thinks we all graduated at the dead bottom of our class...

Let's see - mcbush never defines victory, but says it will happen right after the end of the next presidents term. Which means if elected he is proposing to stay the course until he can dump this either into is VP's lap when he passes on or into the lap of whoever is elected in 2012. (mcbush will be so old by then he would have to campaign with a walker.)
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Sounds like a plan I've heard somewhere before...

Let's all take a trip to Fantasyland with Mr. McCain......

Send some more kids back to that hell-hole for the 3rd time "for Democracy"....It's enough to sicken me.

Democracy in Iraq....HAH!!

A superficial American puppet that will be (if it's ever established) always awaiting overthrow by disgruntled citizens.

Sound familiar?

We are seen as oppressors, hated by all, and with good reason. The rich are getting richer, all over the world, and the poor are getting angry...It's what we (The West) do.

We, as a nation, are in deep, deep trouble.

May the dear Lord forbid this from happening! BUT if John McCain is in office in 2013 I can hear him saying about Iraq: "All we need is another six months..." AND in another 6 months - 6 months more! And the parroting of both Petraeus and Crocker!
Shades of George "warmonger" Bush... Does any of that baloney sound at all familiar?
These are the futile attempts at winning and unwinnable war!

"Can we get out of Iraq in 6 months, as Obama pretends to promise (but then contradicts, on background)? Of course not."......

Um, why not? Because of sectarian violence...nope, already there. Because of increased terror training....nope, Iraq's already a terrorist breeding ground...To allow Iraq's "fragile" government to assume control?......Well, it's been a few years, and they are no closer to having any control....To protect the oil? Nope, attacks on the oil lines have never stopped, and Iraq is like an oil producing country with a prostate problem....nothing but a trickle....

Yet you say: it's OK to be there to 2012....because it's more "realistic"....

Realistic for what?

So McCain says of the Iraq War: this is not a timetable this is victory. Just like in WWII, I didn't know when we were going to win, I just new that we were going to win.

Fool. We have already won the War in Iraq in the way we won WWII. The enemy army has been defeated. We won that in about a month. That war is over. It is the aftermath that we are dealing with. McCain likes to call it a war, but it is not. It is holding together a fraying country of warring tribal groups.

It is NOT a war. McCain keeps thinking that Iraq is similar to Germany of the 1940s. He is an old dog, and he can't learn new tricks.

He would be a menace in the White House.

Are you guys not tired of this s**t?
Where is Osama Bin Laden, anyway? He will die of natural cause before we capture him.

John McCain is becoming more and more divorced from reality as his campaign proceeds. His claim that he can win the war in Iraq by 2013 is simply preposterous. Similarly, his assertion that Osama bin Laden will be dead is hardly justified since GWBush hasn't been able to do it in seven years. Remember a couple of years ago, Bush was asked about OBL and he said "I don't know where he is, and I don't care." It will be the same with McCain. Both these guys live in a fantasy world. Fortunately for America, McCain has zero chance of winning in November, thanks to GW's idiocy and incomptence.

McCain isn't a flip flopper! He can't remember what he is flip flopping about! I don't think he will make thru the presidential race! What is he about 110 years old? Don't he owe jesus a nickle? He said we would be out of Iran by 2013! I believe him because he will have all of them in IRAN! Talk about a senile idiot! WHAT A CLOWN! He now thinks he's a democrat! Hey you McCain, fire your staff, they are making you look like a true RETARD! It's better to be thought of as a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt! MCstank!

I am more ready to believe and trust the words of Sen. McCain than I ever would Obama. With his Pastor, friends and black theology mindset, I don't trust him to do as he says considering he is NOTHING he presents himself to be. Transparent? As he hides the pastor in the basement! Uniter? As he falsely accuses several life-long civil rights leaders of racism! Honest? As his campaign meets with Hamas??? His 20 minute record does not give me confidence that he will do anything but make matters worse for ALL concerned! Hillary or McCain.....NEVER OBAMA!

Fantasy and unrealistic promises do not equal "facts". Obama has stated that withdrawal could start in a few months, and at some point he said it would finish in 16 months. Then, his people said off the record "don't hold us to these dates, because situations might change".

Here's a "situation" which might "change"- Moqtada al sadr, who is allied with our sworn enemy Iran, might decide not to voluntarily, on a whim, disband his powerful militia and go off into the sunset or die a natural death (he's in his 30s). He might decide to take over Iraq on behalf of Iran, and to let his death squads loose to commit genocide against the Sunnis.

Oh. Wait. these "unexpected" things are already happening.

The 16 month timeline is either a fantasy or a campaign lie.

McCain already said he intends to sit the Shia and Sunni down and tell them to cut the crap. So why will it take until 2013 before they cut the crap?

Ken-Two words:

Romney Huckabee! ;~)

DO NOT!!!!!!! let this pseudo warhero way-too-old warmonger get in the White House. While I have no love for hrc and bo, this jerk is trouble. He will definitely have the USA in Iran, unless the despicably evil "w"/DICKY regime beats him to it. He is obviously changing his time-line tune in Iwrack to satisfy the voters. And we know they are stupid enough to elect him as they proved by putting "w" in office TWICE. TFL, Ken

2013..or 2015 or 2020..this guy only know war to solve world problem

I'm starting to think McCain is the one person with less brain cells than Bush!

How does america get so lucky!?

Just what is Obama's plan? It seems as if his plan will lead to an attack on America.

All we hear is that he is the candidate for change. This is great if you want higher taxes and hyperbole

bruce becker, That was the most intelligent rant on this post, and I agree 100%.

Rusmfeld told us 6 months tops. Bush told us 2009. Now McCain is trying to sell us 2013.

Did he consult the troops and military families? - wonder what they think about 2013!

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Let me tell you, make sure you read all the way to the bottom. I almost deleted this email but I was blessed when I got to the end

God, when I received this e-mail, I thought...

I don't have time for this... And, this is really inappropriate during work.

Then, I realized that this kind of thinking is... Exactly, what has caused lot of the problems in our world today.

We try to keep God in church on Sunday morning...

Maybe, Sunday night...
And, the unlikely event of a midweek service.
We do like to have Him around during sickness...

And, of course, at funerals.

However, we don't have time, or room, for Him during work or play...

Because.. That's the part of our lives we think... We can, and should, handle on our own.

May God forgive me for ever thinking...
That... there is a time or place where..

HE is not to be FIRST in my life.

We should always have time to remember all HE has done for us.

If, You aren't ashamed to do this...

Please follow the directions.

Jesus said, "If you are ashamed of me, I will be ashamed of you before my Father."

Not ashamed?

Pass this on ONLY IF YOU MEAN IT!!

Yes, I do Love God.

HE is my source of existence and Savior.

He keeps me functioning each and every day. Without Him, I will be nothing. But, with Christ, HE strengthens me. (Phil 4:13)

This is the simplest test.

If You Love God... And, are not ashamed of all the marvelous things HE has done for you...

Now do you have the time to pass it on?

Make sure that you scroll through to the end.

Easy vs. Hard

Why is it so hard to tell the truth but Yet so easy to tell a lie?

Why are we so sleepy in church but Right when the sermon is over we suddenly wake up?

Why is it so easy to delete a Godly e-mail, but yet we forward all of the nasty ones?

Of all the free gifts we may receive, Prayer is the very best one....

There are no costs, but wonderful rewards... GOD BLESS!

Notes: Isn't it funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell.

Isn't it funny how someone can say "I believe in God" but still follow Satan (who, by the way, also "believes" in God).

Isn't it funny how you can send a thousand jokes through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing?

Isn't it funny how when you go to forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it to them.
Isn't it funny how I can be more worried about what other people think of me than what God thinks of me.

I pray, for everyone who sends this to their entire address book, they will be blessed by God in a way special for them.
And send it back to the person who sent it, to let them know that indeed it was sent out to many more

Every time I work on my house - change a faucet, plaster a wall, build a deck - I always say it's going to take X number of hours to complete.

When in reality, it always takes me three, four, five times the amount of time I thought it would take.

Saying that we will be victorious by 2013 is like me saying that I can design and build an addition to my house by sunset tomorrow.

All patriots must **NOT** support Senator John McCain as the next President. Passivity or appeasement of the enemy for gaining political office is not an option for the braves, unlike McCain.

Posted by: John | May 15, 2008 2:00 PM
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Typo I think - you missed the word NOT...and its pretty important to your arguement!

If I were a terrorist I would be emboldened; all I have to do is wait till 2013. Of course in 3013 McCain will be singing a different tune.

dyinglikeflies

Obama has publicly stated that his plan is an orchestrated, gradual withdrawal of troops from Iraq over the course of 16 months, beginning at or shortly after he takes office of President in Jan. 2009.

Get your facts straight so you can appear more credible.

Simply repeating ...
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Wow, and the flip flops just keep on coming.

I was against timelines before I was for them.

I was against the Bush tax cuts for the rich before I wanted to make them permanent.

I was against phony evangelical preachers before I sought, and received, their endorsements.

A voter deciding on whether to vote for Senator McCain will have to ask "which Senator McCain would I be voting for?"

As cynical as I've become, it still pains me to see that there are people nodding their heads approvingly at this fatuous nonsense. "But...but...his timeline is a timeline to victory!"

Really? How so? Are these people just assuming that all McCain has to do is say the word "victory" three times fast? Or maybe a Magic Pony will bring it to him--and only him?

Any second now someone will jump up and say "well of course it's a secret plan!" Uh-huh. How many times are you gonna fall for that?

It's encouraging to see the majority agreeing about the GOP slime balls trying to BS the general public again. As for the few numb brains who still buy into the Republican hog wash, George Bush said most eloquently "fool me once, shame on......duh uh....fool me once you can't fool me agin"

All patriots must support wholeheartedly Senator John McCain as the next President. Passivity or appeasement of the enemy for gaining political office is not an option for the braves.

All patriots must support wholeheartedly Senator John McCain as the next President. Passivity or appeasement of the enemy for gaining political office is not an option for the braves.

Krishna
Ask McCain and HRC about how you feel about the civil right of habeas corpus (your right to be charged with a crime before being taken into a back room to be waterboarded) being restored. So far, they are silent, hiding from Fox news.
Only Obama says he will restore it.

DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ?

John McCain's notion that we will be able to leave because a "democratic government will be operating" in Iraq is foolish.

His presidency would consist of an attempted roll-back of absolutist states and a coalition of democracies to confront non-democratic governments. He may as well adopt Woodrow Wilson's World War I blooddrenched theme of making the world safe for democracy.

The pot at the end of this illusionary rainbow would be full of perpetual war.

Iraq has absolutely no tradition for democracy. If given their druthers, Shi'a will elect Shi'a and suppress Sunnis. Sunnis will elect Sunnis and suppress Shi'a. Elections do not a democracy make.

Democracy is a form of government characterized by checks and balances within the government itself, and a set of rights guaranteed to minorities. Our Founding Fathers had a long tradition of democracy inherited from England before they wrote the Constitution.

Germany and Japan had working democracies in the 1920s and 1930s, which we re-established, with improvements, after the war.

However, the Middle Eastern desert is a bleak landscape to grow a rose. We would need to tend and water it in perpetuity.

This is what McCain is not telling us. He is saying, When democracy is flourishing on its own in Iraq, we may leave. But it will never flourish on its own. Never.

Those who say it will are either naïve idealists or cynical neoconservatives who have an agenda for around-the-world interference in the affairs of other countries, at the cost of countless gallons of blood and budget-breaking trillions in treasure.

McCain once did his country a service some 40 years ago. He is not doing it a service today. He has sold his political soul to the neoconservatives, a mere front man for corporate interests.

McCain is going senile right in front of us lmao!!!

This headline is incredibly misleading. Shame on you Washington Post.

Mary wrote
Women have been messed over for many years by the Democrat Party and it appears that millions of "US" will be returning the favor, should this primary continue on its current path. Hillary Clinton is clearly the best choice to be our current parties' choice as the nominee for President. As a life-long Democrat (55), I find it unacceptable to tolerate just how my party has hosed their most loyal and largest voting block; women
It is a right wing spin to say that someone votes against someone. We voted FOR Obama, not against a woman. We love women Mary, We just didnt vote for HRC.
It is not as "clear" to me that she is the best, as it is to you. Saying it is 'clear' to you doesnt make it so. Let's look at my point of view for a moment, please. First my voting record:
I voted for two women Senators in my state, both Jewish.
I am not prejudiced against women at all. One of them was my Representative for years in the House, too. And that congressional district has a woman representative now, and I voted for HER too.

However, being a woman is not enough to get my vote, in itself, Mary Bryant.
How about HRC never saying a word about "signing statements", like even McCain just did. Do you know that Bill Clinton did unconstitutional behaviors using signing statements? It means he ignored law and undermined the Congress, leading to Bush's ability to do so in a deeper way. He should have been impeached on that, not on a moral's charge.
Does HRC ever say she will restore the habeas corpus, the right to be charged with a crime? No. But Obama does, in every speech.

I am not voting for HRC because she doesnt stand up on my issue: the Constitution is my most revered issue.
I dont try to make it about her sex, her race or her Yale education. It is about her positions on the important matter of our day, the destruction of the Constitution, begun by Bill and taken to new heights by Bush. She never ever says she will be any different on the Constitution from Bush. Not once, ever.
That is unacceptable. She is trying to take the middle ground, the tested theory of presidential politics. She is not speaking for the oath she took, to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic and Obama is. Obama got more votes, won twice as many states and is winning on delegates.
That is not media spin. He won states with no black people in the west. That is not about being anti-woman. That is not about ignoring women. It is a right wing spin to say that someone votes against someone. We voted FOR Obama, not against a woman.
However, 20% of those polled after WV admitted to a stranger doing the polling outside the voting places, that they voted for HRC instead of for Obama because they voted on the basis of race. That is voting against a person on the basis of race, sex or sexual orientation, the right wing way to win an election.
I hear her saying to you on tv, "you know how hard it is to do this as a woman". Yes, I am sure it is. I saw the numbers on AOL. 40% said they would vote for a man over a woman all other things being equal. Those same 40% of AOL polled people said they would vote for a WHITE person over a Black person, all other things being equal. So please, Mary, dont spin this into man vs woman. It isnt. It is about the Constitution and your preferred candidate is perceived to be FAR to the right of Obama on that issue. She is not saying one word to restore habeas corpus, Mary. If she had demonstrated such courage against Fox news, she would have won because she is not getting the suburban EDUCATED liberal votes and he is.
She didnt. Obama did. He won. End of story. Stay with the Dems or you will elect a president who will end Roe v Wade, end the rights of minorities to have sexual preferences not in the Bible and end separation of church and state.
You can vote with the right out of momentary disappointment and anger or you can look at the issues, for a while. Obama about inclusion of all persons. He is ok with civil unions of all persons. He will appoint judges on the basis of their support for the Constitution, not on the basis of their membership in fundementalist approved sects.

LOL LOL LOL

This buffoon won't even LIVE until 2013!

(I'd be gleeful if he croaked before the election!)

Everyone looks for a simple, cookie-cutter answer for complicated problems. Can we get out of Iraq in 6 months, as Obama pretends to promise (but then contradicts, on background)? Of course not. Idiotic claim which creates horrible, and dangerous, expectations on all sides. Totally irresponsible campaign promise.

Do we need to be there till 2013 (why not 2012? 2014?)? Who knows. At least it's more realistic.

I hope there'll be a lemonade stand every block when I take my walk on hot days.
I hope I'll be ten years younger my next birthday.
I hope the lion will lie down with the lamb.
I hope the Sunni will be glad to be ruled by the Shiite.
I hope the Iranian regime will cease taking advantage of the opportunities America presented them with.
I really hope the next president won't be a daft dreamster.

Women have been messed over for many years by the Democrat Party and it appears that millions of "US" will be returning the favor, should this primary continue on its current path. Hillary Clinton is clearly the best choice to be our current parties' choice as the nominee for President. As a life-long Democrat (55), I find it unacceptable to tolerate just how my party has hosed their most loyal and largest voting block; women. I am confident the Democrat Party will pay a severe price for this blatant assault on us women. Cry all you want about this being "sour grapes" but, little good will result in your on-going efforts to unite Hillary's staunch supporters around "your chosen candidate" and not the peoples. All the Democrat Party wants us to do now is get their selected, from the start, elite, wimp Barack Obama elected in November. It will be a cold day in hell before I do that and I hope Hillary Clinton walks away from this Party, as well. As with most of the women I have contact, as well as many men, are finished with the Democrat Party now and forever. Many of "US are starting a grassroots movement to assure these kind of sorry tactics employed by my now soon to be former party, favoring a man who clearly has no shot without her support to win over the best women who can win this on her own, will never happen again. Until the final results are in Democrat Party leaders, we will just have to wait and see how things turn out once this primary season comes to a close. I for one am changing my registration to Independent, if not Republican, on the same day that I vote for Hillary in Kentucky. Once all our votes are counted, if you the party leaders allow that to happen, you'll just have to wait and see how deep this "bitterly disappointed" and highly ashamed of this blatant insult to women is across America. To do this to the largest voting block in America is truly, for my soon to be former Democratic Party, a travesty. Bye, bye now and good riddance from Mary L. O'Bryan, Louisville, KY, soon to be former Democrat, no matter what happens in the primaries left to come.

Amazingly, it seems that "HOPE" is a plan. Don't worry, General Wishful Thinking will being implementing our "HOPE" offensive.

John McCain

So, what I want to do today is take a little time to describe what I would hope to have achieved at the end of my first term as President.

By January 2013, America has welcomed home most of the servicemen and women who have sacrificed terribly so that America might be secure in her freedom. The Iraq War has been won. Iraq is a functioning democracy, although still suffering from the lingering effects of decades of tyranny and centuries of sectarian tension. Violence still occurs, but it is spasmodic and much reduced. Civil war has been prevented; militias disbanded; the Iraqi Security Force is professional and competent; al Qaeda in Iraq has been defeated; and the Government of Iraq is capable of imposing its authority in every province of Iraq and defending the integrity of its borders. The United States maintains a military presence there, but a much smaller one, and it does not play a direct combat role.

Does this loser want to make all of us POWs?

Please get a spine implanted, Mr McCain.

At least we know McCain won't be calling anyone a "flip flopper" this election.

He has some kind of vision for the future. His "plans" are large. I didn't hear the speech, but reading the highlights and hearing Rush Limbaugh's comments, it doesn't appear to have any substance.

Was there any substance in his detailed campaign position he wrote in Foreign Affairs? I don't think it was much more than his wish list. It looked more like a 100 year plan for enhancing Western influence around the globe.

See the details and the questions at http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=21 where you are encouraged to participate in a discussion.

"Obama is already on record as being willing to restore habeas corpus, your right to be charged with a crime."

Sorry, nobody has to be "willing" to restore this very fundamental right. Just as nobody has to be "willing" to let people breathe, or pray before a math test.

The next president should find it appalling that this constitutional right was taken away unconstitutionally, and restore it, period. Without any feeling or sense of "granting" people a favour.

There's no fool like a lying old Republican fool.

defending Julie

McCain is a former prisoner who approves waterboarding, a kind of torture of prisoners. Waterboarding is against the Geneva convention. So allowing and even speaking for it, endangers our troops and exposes them to torture too. Endangering our troops, to get votes from those who live in fear, means he has no spine, the way I see it. Thanks Julie.
"McCain has no spine", seems a reasonable assessment of his position on waterboarding.

Surrender monkey!

Wow Mccain has a plan for Iraq, five more years, aroung 190 billion a year, because we don't need any money for our road, leeves, bridges, Colleges.

Give credit where credit is due. Both Clinton and Bush illegally and unconstitutionally used signing statements to avoid Congression laws. McCain is saying he wont do it. That is a wonderful thing to see. Let's see if HRC follows it up.
Obama is already on record as being willing to restore habeas corpus, your right to be charged with a crime. Let's see if McCain and HRC will do likewise. So far, they are silent on the crimes against the Constitution of this administration, except for McCain's position on signing statements, which is quite welcome.
Also it is a marvel to see McCain promise to engage in open considerations with Congress in the manner of the Brit tradition.
Thank God. Obama already said he will televise such considerations pertaining to the universal health care bill.
Enough of the White House sending bills to Congress and demanding they sign them lest we be under fire by terrorist by nightfall. That's how we got the unlawful anti-terrorist bill, and then he didnt sign it for two weeks.

LMAO... I thought I was listening to Obama!
Except Obama is 1000x more of an insprirational speaker. And he doesn't have pictures with his arms around the idiot in chief.

Just more pandering garbage from a "man" who wouldn't know the truth (or integrity) if it was floating in his Metamucil.

You put your left foot in you pull your left foot out you put the surge talk in and you shake it all about you do the hokey pokey to get in the White House THATS WHATS ITS ALL ABOUT!!!

"julie" posted that "McCain has no spine", I beg to differ and ask if any US servicemen are serving aboard the USS "JULIE"

When McCain finally publishes his medical records, will they include testing for short term memory loss and/or for 'incipient Alzheimer's" or are you supposed to take his wife's word for it, like we were lied to by Nancy Reagan for a few years, until the fateful day when Ron Reagan had to give testimony on Irangate and he had to say, "I dont remember a thing about it"!!!

"I do believe he is like John F Kennedy: great man, with great principle, and he has the vision to change America to lead the world community, but not with domination and arrogance".

That was the comment by an advisor for the former Prime Minister of Palestine, about Sen Barack Obama, which McCain and Bush spin as an "endorsement by Hamas". They are jealous and only wish they were held in such high regard. Obama can restore our leadership position in the world. So McCain and Bush do the only thing they know how to do, they try to make a positive into division.

Even though HRC wont talk to leaders who might be rude to her, at least she understands that the Iraq war was made up on faked premises and she is willing to bring it to an end. Obama makes it clear, he will hunt down the CIA's trainee bin Laudin, something that Bush doesnt apparently find appealing since he focuses all our money and energy on oil and Iraq.

read on, timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3872547.ece?Submitted=true

and should also read on Dr. Khajak Vartaanian

By the end of my first term we will have won in Iraq ( whatever that means) we will have a prosperous America with lower taxes, a strong dollar, regained respect from around the world and I might add " I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a cheeseburger today".....
In other words, I want your vote and maybe these hollow promises will get it. I've been standing around in the Senate for 8 years watching all this nonsense go on and I'm one of the 28% who think GWB has done a great job but vote for me my friends and watch things change. .......duh

McCain is trying hard to become a Democrat.

Someone should tell him there is no interest in him becoming a Denmocrat.

Mr McCain....1990 is calling. They have your spine.

If McBush is elected and he is really serious about the 2013 end to the Iraq nightmare, I can see the "D" word in the future: Military DRAFT! For me, I just hope it is fair (no college, no connections, no critical occupation deferments, etc. like Cheney and millions of others enjoyed). So kids (soon to be heroic servi