McCain Resumes Talk of Comprehesive Immigration Reform

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) center, smiles as California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-Calif.) left, makes a joke at a roundtable discussion at Finelite, Inc., in Union City, Calif., May 22, 2008. At right is Meg Whitman, former president and CEO of eBay. (Associated Press)
By Juliet Eilperin
UNION CITY, Calif. -- Surrounded by high-tech entrepreneurs, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said this morning he would expand visas for immigrants at the same time he would propose legislation cracking down on illegal immigration.
The declaration -- which came as several Silicon Valley CEOs complained about the need for highly skilled employees -- marked a slight shift from what McCain had said while campaigning to secure his party's nomination. During the GOP primary McCain -- whose support for bipartisan immigration reform proved to be a liability within his own party -- said he would clamp down on illegal aliens before doing any other immigration reform.
"I believe we have to secure our borders. But we must enact comprehensive immigration reform, and we must make it a top priority," McCain told the chief executives of several high-tech companies. "We must make the best of this problem, and we must attract the best and brightest minds to this nation."
Shellye Archambeau, CEO of the software company MetricStream, told McCain she was worried about the decline in H1B visas, which go to highly skilled workers, as well as the fact that foreign students earning graduate degrees here are leaving the United States in increasing numbers.
"We should give them a diploma and staple a visa right at the same time, so they can stay," she said, prompting applause from the audience "The key point here is immigration has fueled the growth and innovation of this country since its founding."
McCain expressed sympathy for the entrepreneurs' plight, asking them about the problems they are facing in hiring skilled foreign workers. Conrad Burke, president of Innovalight, a solar energy company, quipped he had become an expert in U.S. immigration law over the past two years as he searched for qualified workers.
"It is difficult getting visas, there are caps," Burke said, who emigrated from Ireland to America a decade ago. "Certainly we need some help."
Vivek Ranadive, who came from India to the U.S. for college and graduate school and stayed to start a high-tech company, said his own experience testifies to the importance of welcoming talented immigrants. Innovation is still occurring more frequently in America than in India and other nations, Ranadive argued.
"The innovation that is going on is going on in my back yard," he said "It will go on forever, as long as we continue to accept smart people."
McCain -- who has not talked about immigration as frequently since securing the GOP nomination, in part because audience members are not raising the issue as often as they did during town hall meetings during the GOP primaries -- also took personal responsibility for Congress's failure to enact immigration reform last year.
"The failure of the federal government -- and it was my failure, too -- has had a lot of consequences associated with it," he said today.
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Posted by: Emily | June 1, 2008 6:01 PM
Here is a lesson for you"proud Latina". European Americans, whom you so readily denigrate in your posts, built this whole nation that is sustaining you. You know it is true, it is in the archives, thousands of photos of those people, as I said that you so easily denigrate, working like oxen, sweating to build the bridges, roads, skyscrapers, freeways, factories, etc. and growing the food and tilling the soil with backbreaking sweat, that is sustaining empowered, hatefull, and indeed jealous people like yourself. These are the facts that you will not face. This is the knowledge you seek to deny, from yourself and others, because it forms a more complete picture of how this amazing nation came about, than the one you and other jealous and hatefull people try to paint of the founders of the United States. Is this not true?
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I am the first generation of a legal immigrant. My father came here from Canada when he was a very young man. He worked hard and advanced him self to levels of accomplishment that most never achieve, set up the first offshore oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico, captained the first floating derrick barge with a 300 Ton lifting capacity, with many more accomplishments too numerous to enumerate. During WWII he tried to enlist in the USN SeaBees but could not because he was a alien, however the company he worked for did a considerable amount of work for companies defense orientated and the various branches of the military. I served in the US Marine Corps so in a way I validated his citizenship. It has never ceased to amaze me that our elected politicians are so quick to want to reward illegal aliens with benefits and reward them with some form of path way to citizenship. Far too many have never held a job in the private sector and have fed at the trough of federal largeness most of their adult lives. I firmly believe that hi tech companies are in need of employees they should offer scholar ships paying all the expenses of a college education then by contractual agreement the graduate would have to work for the employer paying for their education on a one to one year ratio. At the end of the contract the employee then should be able to seek employment with competitors or even go into business for themselves. Though I think this could not come about as there would be a group of "parachute lawyers"roaming the country trying to file class action law suites claiming the contracts were a form of servitude. I am what is known as a "headhunter" and have had my business since 1974 and I have found over the years that if you are a high tech employee in a certain wage level you are screwed if you are unemployed. Yet companies can bring H-1B and H-2B's with lessor skills and pay lower wages to perform the same duties. No new immigration laws, build the fence seal our borders, enforce the current immigration laws, demand E-Verify and if a employer refuses to comply revoke their business license however I fear this is a too simplistic solution to a growing problem. For a country supposedly hated through the world a sinking economy why are there so many wanting to come here legally or illegally??
Posted by: Chuck Sillery | May 27, 2008 8:45 AM
McCain seems to think we're all stupid, or else he is. Opening the borders isn't going to bring in the "best and brightest minds." The Mexicans are largely uneducated and are only filling low-wage jobs that require no education. If he wants the best and brightest minds (aside from Americans) he needs to bring in the well educated from Asia and Europe. He's just making one ridiculous excuse after another to try and get what he wants.
Posted by: No Amnesty | May 26, 2008 6:42 PM
That "proud latino" above,should go home and fix his sorry country rather than coming here and living on the gov, dole
Posted by: Don | May 26, 2008 5:33 PM
"I believe we have to secure our borders. But we must enact comprehensive immigration reform, and we must make it a top priority," McCain told the chief executives of several high-tech companies. "We must make the best of this problem, and we must attract the best and brightest minds to this nation."
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First of all, we don't need any immigration 'reform'. What we need is border security and ENFORCEMENT of our already existing immigration laws. The USA already admits more legal immigrants every year than all other countries in the world! And just why should we have to attract the 'best and brightest minds TO this nation'? They're already here! They're among our very own citizens and otherwise legal residents. They're graduating from colleges and universities every year and they're out there looking for work. But they're not getting hired. And why is that? Why aren't they getting hired? Easy. The 'best and brightest' is NOT what these greedy companies want. They want only the people who will accept the LOWEST WAGES. They know if they're forced to hire American workers they'll have to pay actual LIVING wages. And the CEOs are scared to death that if it comes to that they'll have to go back to only making about ten times as much as the workers rather than the four to five hundred times to which they've become accustomed.
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McCain went on to say, "The failure of the federal government (to pass comprehensive immigration reform last year) -- and it was my failure, too -- has had a lot of consequences associated with it," he said today.
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How noble of McCain to take credit for the failure of last year's 'shamnesty' bill. He should have explained the REAL reason the bill failed. The 'failure of the federal government' to enact reform last year was due to the outrage of legal residents and citizens of this country who bombarded the government with calls, letters, emails and faxes making it clear that amnesty, by any name, will NOT be accepted in this country! 'We the People' reminded our elected officials that they are sworn to represent OUR best interests. NOT the best interests of big business and pro-illegal advocacy groups!
Posted by: ProudCitizen | May 26, 2008 2:56 PM
I believe McCain will build a fence like he said he would but like NObama and Hillary he will grant amnesty.The last thing we need is more people to use the limiting amout of natural resources we havve left. It is mostly democrats who want them in to buy their votes - welfare etc. It is also the demos who want let us drill for oil in places where there will likly be some. There is also fresh water and some food shortages but the politicians dont care.They get theirs.
Also prob;ems with medical bills (free) to them,lowered labor wages,cost of education and crime.Dont you hate to read of some alien killing an american?
Posted by: Jack Kinch (1uncle) | May 26, 2008 2:04 PM
A lesson in history. Ulysses S. Grant wrote in his memoirs, "I do not think there ever was a more wicked war than that waged by the United States in Mexico. I thought so at the time, when I was a youngster, only I had not moral courage enough to resign." Henry David Thoreau, you'll discover was jailed for not agreeing to pay taxes and not agreeing with slavery and The Mexican-American War. Other info found in http://www.pbs.org/kera/usmexicanwar,in an article called The Aftermath of War : A War of Violence and Violations: The Consequences of Conquest A Conversation With Antonia I. Castañeda St. Mary's University,(also found in the PBS website) the author writes : "its aftermath and its continuation that we live with on a daily basis -- is about violence and violation. The democracy and freedom that some of us live has been bought and continues to be bought with the violence and subjugation of others. That violence has taken many forms -- it wasn't just about military or armed violence. It was also the violence of removing people from their land. It was and is the violence of trying to silence their language. It's the violence of broken treaties, of telling people "You are citizens," then treating them as anything but citizens, by denying them the rights and privileges of full citizenship. It was a violence of demeaning and trying to delegitimize a culture and a way of being". Perhaps, in was also racist people who fail to acknowledge and teach it's people about the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo signed on February 2, 1848 is something you readers should take the time to read, or maybe like slavery, it's a topic you'd rather forget. History has it written and among the facts includes: ARTICLE VIII
Mexicans now established in territories previously belonging to Mexico, and which remain for the future within the limits of the United States, as defined by the present treaty, shall be free to continue where they now reside, or to remove at any time to the Mexican Republic, retaining the property which they possess in the said territories, or disposing thereof, and removing the proceeds wherever they please, without their being subjected, on this account, to any contribution, tax, or charge whatever...In the said territories, property of every kind, now belonging to Mexicans not established there, shall be inviolably respected. The present owners, the heirs of these, and all Mexicans who may hereafter acquire said property by contract, shall enjoy with respect to it guarantees equally ample as if the same belonged to citizens of the United States.
Article IX ....the enjoyment of all the rights of citizens of the United States, according to the principles of the Constitution; and in the mean time, shall be maintained and protected in the free enjoyment of their liberty and property, and secured in the free exercise of their religion without; restriction. This treaty should have been honored just as the Constitution continues to be honored today. The land was in most cases illegally obtained from Mexican Americans, by people who would on one hand say ...all people are created equal, but yet bought and sold slaves and lynched Mexican Americans out of their properties. Affirmative action is a measure meant to "make up" for all the wrongs done to minorities, which leads me to wonder, how can the US make up for the stolen properties (under the pretext of Manifest Destiny) and the discrimination? It's hard to believe the word "illegal" is the only thing that shields modern day nativism. The most important question is what are you afraid of? You continue with your prejudice if you like, we'll continue to fight for civil rights, legal or illegal, we are one.
A proud Latina
Posted by: Nina | May 26, 2008 5:02 AM
A lesson in history. Ulysses S. Grant wrote in his memoirs, "I do not think there ever was a more wicked war than that waged by the United States in Mexico. I thought so at the time, when I was a youngster, only I had not moral courage enough to resign." Henry David Thoreau, you'll discover was jailed for not agreeing to pay taxes and not agreeing with slavery and The Mexican-American War. Other info found in http://www.pbs.org/kera/usmexicanwar,in an article called The Aftermath of War : A War of Violence and Violations: The Consequences of Conquest A Conversation With Antonia I. Castañeda St. Mary's University,(also found in the PBS website) the author writes : "its aftermath and its continuation that we live with on a daily basis -- is about violence and violation. The democracy and freedom that some of us live has been bought and continues to be bought with the violence and subjugation of others. That violence has taken many forms -- it wasn't just about military or armed violence. It was also the violence of removing people from their land. It was and is the violence of trying to silence their language. It's the violence of broken treaties, of telling people "You are citizens," then treating them as anything but citizens, by denying them the rights and privileges of full citizenship. It was a violence of demeaning and trying to delegitimize a culture and a way of being". Perhaps, in was also racist people who fail to acknowledge and teach it's people about the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo signed on February 2, 1848 is something you readers should take the time to read, or maybe like slavery, it's a topic you'd rather forget. History has it written and among the facts includes: ARTICLE VIII
Mexicans now established in territories previously belonging to Mexico, and which remain for the future within the limits of the United States, as defined by the present treaty, shall be free to continue where they now reside, or to remove at any time to the Mexican Republic, retaining the property which they possess in the said territories, or disposing thereof, and removing the proceeds wherever they please, without their being subjected, on this account, to any contribution, tax, or charge whatever...In the said territories, property of every kind, now belonging to Mexicans not established there, shall be inviolably respected. The present owners, the heirs of these, and all Mexicans who may hereafter acquire said property by contract, shall enjoy with respect to it guarantees equally ample as if the same belonged to citizens of the United States.
Article IX ....the enjoyment of all the rights of citizens of the United States, according to the principles of the Constitution; and in the mean time, shall be maintained and protected in the free enjoyment of their liberty and property, and secured in the free exercise of their religion without; restriction. This treaty should have been honored just as the Constitution continues to be honored today. The land was in most cases illegally obtained from Mexican Americans, by people who would on one hand say ...all people are created equal, but yet bought and sold slaves and lynched Mexican Americans out of their properties. Affirmative action is a measure meant to "make up" for all the wrongs done to minorities, which leads me to wonder, how can the US make up for the stolen properties (under the pretext of Manifest Destiny) and the discrimination? It's hard to believe the word "illegal" is the only thing that shields modern day nativism. The most important question is what are you afraid of? You continue with your prejudice if you like, we'll continue to fight for civil rights, legal or illegal, we are one.
A proud Latina
Posted by: Anonymous | May 26, 2008 5:01 AM
I take it back, I know your a racist Cohen, since you used the term Billy Bob in a derogatory manner, no doubt, irritated by the way people in the "flyover" states are voting to end all of the illegality you support.
Posted by: Bobby | May 24, 2008 9:29 PM
Cohen, stuff the racism cr-p. Your a racist towards the American citizenry if you think that is what illegal immigration boils down to.
Posted by: Bobby | May 24, 2008 9:23 PM
It truly amazes me. Here we have McCain who stated he heard our voice to secure the border and no amnesty yet votes against a bill to secure the border and votes to extend social security benefits to illegals and votes to spend 250 million more dollars for illegals health. I could go on but you get the picture.Next you have Hillary who uses people then trashes them like used toilet paper. People have forgotten about her outrageous health scare plan. What about White Water. What about people that seem to die around her and her hubby or the come up missing.Look how she play the weaker of the sexes then she has bigger testicles then a man.I can go on .Then there is Obama,This man is a Muslim and make no mistake about it.Mr Wright ,the Uncle he never had taught him for almost 20 years the ways of the Black KKK preachings. The Flag his staff places on the walls of campaign offices like is Texas is the same that flies in Cuba,And also was the flag of the black panther organization in the 60's and 70's.His wife finally is proud to be an american.Give me a break.She is proud only because she can start working on the black KKK program and get some attention.I guess she wants to start her own Bigot clan like the KKK and Mr Jackson's and Mr Sharpton Extortion ring.
The alternative to these three is a good alternative. Alan Keyes and Ron Paul.YET PEOPLE HAVENT HAD THE CHANCE TO REALLY MEET THESE TWO MEN BECAUSE the Media and the Bilderberg and the Federal Reserve owners wont be able to manipulate descent Americans if these men get in.
You know something though ? I can't really blame them to much either. WHY ,you ask? It is very simple. We The People let them do this stuff to us because most of us are to lazy to get off our butts and check things out.Our great great grandpappy was a Democrat or Repulican so nothing else matters.We have lost the will to get up and vote for who has told the truth.None of the 3 main candidates will respond to question that put them on the spot and most Americans are not willing to look the truth in the eye or they wouldn't even be considering these GLOBAL,SOCIALIST AND MARXIST for who and what they really are. So I will close with this.IF you are to lazy to check it out or you wont vote for anyone unless they are either Main stream Democrat or Republican then it is YOUR FAULT Americans for being to lazy to get off your but and seek the truth.So we will end up once again with the lesser of 2 EVILS. What a stinking joke this and our political system has become.SEE YOU LATER COMRADES, HEIL HITLER 111
Posted by: David O'Connor | May 24, 2008 7:55 PM
The enemy is the religion of "corporatism" more commonly known as "corporate welfare:"
--Extended, unnecessary occupations of countries after initially winning the war to benefit corporations with taxpayer money.
--Open borders (even while at war) to benefit the corporations with taxpayer-subsidized (citizens' lives, living standards, and livelihoods being lost or severely degraded) "cheap" labor.
--Visa programs to flood the low and high tech labor markets to benefit corporations instead of properly educating US citizens or raising wages for the working poor.
--Trade agreements and policies that send jobs overseas so they can take advantage of what is virtually slave labor, again, benefiting the corporations at the expense of US citizens' jobs and security.
--Deficit spending and a fiat currency that is ever inflating, thus robbing our savings for the future except for the very rich and corporations who keep us working ever harder and unable to reliably save.
--Ignoring the U.S. Constitution in order that we serve as slaves to the economy instead of the economy serving us.
Here in South Carolina it's McCain's tailgunner, his lapdog (to put it nicely), Senator Grahamnesty that promises more of the same. But then, he's a lawyer paid (more) by the corporations to represent them and he takes his job as their lackey very seriously.
Folks, it's this simple: DUMP GRAHAM & KILL AMNESTY!
Posted by: NumbersSC.com | May 23, 2008 5:16 PM
Unfortunately (unless we amend the Constitution quickly) Gov. Schwarzenegger is not a "natural-born citizen" and is therefore disqualified to be President.
Posted by: JakeD | May 23, 2008 2:55 PM
ARNOLD for VP
We can win California - sorry Colifornia
Posted by: Hubba Hubba | May 23, 2008 2:46 PM
I work in the tech field and have witnessed, over and over, the abuse of the H1-B visa program. Many of us refer to it as the "American worker replacement program." Too many times it has been used to replace American workers with (cheaper)foreign workers. I do not mind foreign workers if they are actually needed. The whole H1-B and KL-1 visa programs need a complete overhaul. Read some of the writings of Professor Norman Maitloff of UC Davis.
Posted by: dataman1 | May 23, 2008 2:32 PM
Larry:
I understand what you are saying, and I will probably vote for Baldwin as well (except if McCain can make it close enough here in California -- in that case, it would be a shame if a couple thousand votes meant the difference between Obama or McCain in the Oval Office ; )
Also, if the Republican leadership (which at least include efforts by Romney and Tancredo) is ignoring the "illegal immigration" issue, then what STRONGER verb would you ascribe to the Democratic leadership?
Posted by: JakeD | May 23, 2008 2:30 PM
"McAmnesty McCain" is the capotain at the helm of the sinking 'GOP-TITANIC'. All he is doing is re-arranging the deck chairs!
In 1859, there were only two major political parties in America...democrats and whigs. The WHIGS ignored the SLAVERY issue and died on the vine. The republicans,a new THIRD party, arrived on the scene and elected Lincoln.
Now, the republican leadership is ignoring the "illegal immigration" issue....to their peril. Good! NO POLITICAL PARTY IS A SACRED INSTITUTION! Only the constitution is sared! Today, BOTH corrupt, major monopoly political parties are controlled,at the top, by the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations)...to which "McAmnesty McCain" is a CFR member..and these are the designers of the NORTH AMERICAN UNION, the superhighway, amnesty for 30 million illegal aliens and open borders. When "he" says he wants 'comprehensive immigration reform', he means AMNESTY. THAT is NOT putting America first. Remember the book, "None Dare Call It Treason"? I suggest you get the New York Times Best Seller.."THE LATE GREAT USA" by Jerome Corsi.It exposes the CFR agenda on OPEN BORDERS. What is the solution? VOTE for Chuck Baldwin for President 2008, on the American Independent Party here in California (aka: CONSTITUTION party nationwide). Courtesy of the NATIONAL VETERANS COALITION...www.nvets.org..."veterans, families & friends putting AMERICA FIRST at the ballot box".
Posted by: Larry Breazeale,Msgt.(ret.)USAF | May 23, 2008 2:02 PM
Well, after reading this, this can be safely asserted: "There goes the neighborhood America!" And so another Republican administration will be elected and we'll be over run by yet more third world peoples who display no regard for American laws or mores, and who refuse to condescend to even speak English.
Posted by: simplyillegal | May 23, 2008 1:52 PM
I'm glad that others have noted my earlier commentary about McCain being an example of "the best government money can buy."
To those of you that view another amnesty as inevitable, please google on both phrases "forced repatriation" and "Great Depression." on 23 May 2008, there were 1,250 links. When the middle class gets their "back to the wall" economically speaking, they rebel against the immigration policies being imposed on them by the economic elite. There are bloody riots. People get killed. Finally, the government actually pays attention to the voters and reforms liberal immigration policies (that have benefited the economic elite.) This has happened three times so far in our nation's history. Given the gargantuan size of the current wave - and the crowding that is quite apparent in the United States.... The results are not likely to be pleasant.
Over 1/2 million people were forcibly repatriated during the Great Depression to create employment opportunities for American citizens. I believe that "attrition through enforcement" whose value has already been proven in Arizona and Oklahoma - and should be implemented nationwide via Heath Shuler's SAVE Act. (H.R. 4088) "Attrition through enforcement" is far more humane than forced repatriation.
Posted by: DrGeneNelson | May 23, 2008 12:37 PM
win:
Whether you like it or not, the Supreme Court has ruled that illegal alien children in this country have a right to free public education. The ONLY hope for overturning that decision is McCain appointing more Justices like Alito and Roberts.
Posted by: JakeD | May 23, 2008 12:16 PM
All of the candidates should prioritize fixing our education system for US citizens first. Our education system is a failure for the majority of students who then do not get a college education.
The government is a failure to the citizens, then they rush to import people from other countries.
I have no problem with further immigration of H1B, but our government is using them to "fix" a problem they created. The H1B visa system is abused by unscrupulous businesses. Fix these, then increase.
Posted by: win | May 23, 2008 12:01 PM
Billy Bob must realize that he is on the losing side of both history and demographics in the immigration debate. A comrehensive immigration reform with path to citizenship is amatter of when, not if. Racism always loses in America!
Posted by: Cohen | May 23, 2008 10:49 AM
Edie and Bruce:
I'm happy to factor in ALL the costs (including what it would cost to seal the border, track down and deport all those millions of illegal aliens) and benefits.
Ali:
I was born during the Great Depression, so don't tell me about recessions. Also, SMS wrote: "Her conduct is not that of a leader." Not me.
Posted by: JakeD | May 23, 2008 10:39 AM
A new argument against immigration
A new argument against immigration
Phyllis Schlafly
Posted: May 23, 2008
WorldNetDaily
Many arguments, pro and con, about how to deal with illegal aliens have been passionately debated over the past couple of years, but there are still other arguments that need public exposure. Mark Krikorian presents a new argument in his forthcoming book called "The New Case Against Immigration, Both Legal and Illegal."
The pro-more-immigration crowd argues that today's immigrants are just like immigrants of a century ago: poor people looking for a better life who are expected to advance in our land of opportunity. Krikorian's new argument is that while today's immigrants may be like earlier ones, the America they come to is so very different that our previous experience with immigrants is practically irrelevant.
The essential difference between the two waves of immigrants was best summed up by the Nobel Prize-winning advocate of a free market, Milton Friedman. He said, "It's just obvious that you can't have free immigration and a welfare state."
The term "welfare state" does not just mean handouts to the nonworking. Our welfare state encompasses dozens of social programs that provide benefits to the "working poor," i.e., people working for wages low enough that they pay little or no income taxes.
Immigrants of the previous generation were expected to earn their own living, pay taxes like everybody else, learn our language, love America and assimilate into our culture. Today's immigrants likewise come here for jobs not welfare.
During those prior major waves of immigration, the United States didn't have a welfare state. Native-born Americans survived the Great Depression of the 1930s without a welfare state.
The Social Security retirement system was established only in 1935. Most other agencies that redistribute cash and costly benefits from taxpayers to non-taxpayers started with Lyndon Johnson's Great Society in the late 1960s.
Today's low-wage immigrants and lower-wage illegals can't earn what it costs to live in modern America, so they supplement with means-tested taxpayer benefits. And many immigrants don't learn our language or assimilate into American culture because of the multicultural diversity taught in our schools and encouraged in our society.
Today's immigrants fit the profile of the people who benefit from our welfare state: the working poor with large families. Krikorian sets forth some dismal figures.
About 30 percent of all immigrants in the U.S. work force in 2005 lacked a high school education, which is four times the rate for native-born Americans. Among the largest group of working-age immigrants, the Mexicans, 62 percent have less than a high-school education, which means they work low-wage jobs. Nearly half of immigrant households, 45 percent, are in or near poverty compared with 29 percent of native-headed households. Among Mexicans living in the United States, nearly two-thirds live in or near the government's definition of poverty.
Costly social benefits provided to the working poor include Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (now called TANF, formerly AFDC), food stamps, school lunches, Medicaid, WIC (nutrition for Women, Infants and Children), public housing and Supplemental Security Income.
The Earned Income Tax Credit is one of the most expensive parts of income redistribution. Twice as many immigrant households (30 percent) qualify for this cash handout as native-headed households (15 percent).
Health care is another huge cost. Nearly half of immigrants are either uninsured or on Medicaid, which is nearly double the rate for native-born families. Federal law requires hospitals to treat all comers to emergency rooms, even if uninsured and unable to pay.
Hospitals try to shift the costs onto their paying patients, and when the hospitals exhaust their ability to do this, they close their doors. In Los Angeles, 60 hospitals have closed their emergency rooms over the past decade, which imposes another kind of cost.
Immigration accounts for nearly all the growth in elementary and secondary school enrollment over the past generation. The children of immigrants now comprise 19 percent of the school-age population and 21 percent of the preschool population.
The Heritage Foundation estimated that in order to reduce government payments to the average low-skill household to a level equal to the taxes it pays, "it would be necessary to eliminate Social Security and Medicare, all means-tested welfare, and to cut expenditures on public education roughly in half." Obviously, that is not going to happen.
Attempts to limit welfare eligibility for illegal aliens by provisions added to the 1996 welfare reform law, SSI, food stamps, Medicaid and TANF all failed. Krikorian concludes, "Walling immigrants off from government benefits once we've let them in is a fantasy."
As Americans are pinched between falling real estate values and the inflation of necessities such as gasoline, they are entitled to know how their tax dollars are being spent. The big bite that social benefits to immigrants (one-third of whom are illegal) takes out of taxpayers' paychecks should be factored into any debate about immigration or amnesty policy.
Those so called low prices that businesses say you enjoy because of the jobs illegal aliens work are "not" so low cost after all. You are subsidizing the cost of their medical care, food (in the cost of their U.S. children) and educating their children (both U.S. and foreign born). Do you still think it is such a "good" deal.
Posted by: Edie | May 23, 2008 10:14 AM
THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER AMNESTY!!
Four more states recently stopped granting drivers licenses to illegals; Maine, Michigan, Oregon, Utah,
Only four states stil grant driver's licenses to illegals: Maryland, New Mexico, Washington, and Hawaii.
Eight states have passed legislation Mandating E-Verify be used by all employers in the state - Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, and South Carolina.
Three states already Mandate that its state agencies participate in E-Verify: Idaho, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania.
Nine states are debating legislation that will require state government employers to use the E-Verify system: Alaska, California, Florida, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Tennessee, and Texas.
Two states are debating legislation that would require both public and private sector employers to use E-Verify: Utah, and Virginia
31 state legislatures introduced employment-related immigration bills during the first quarter of 2008: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Washington and West Virginia.
You can send your Congressperons, and your state legislators, faxes, letters, and email from this site:
http://capwiz.com/caps/issues/
Posted by: Buzzm1 | May 23, 2008 9:25 AM
There are 7.6 million uemployed Americans.
According to DHS, there are 8.3 million people employed who have gross errors in their SS information.
The prepared No-Match letters, presently being held up by the court, will work to correct this problem by weeding out 8 million illegal immigrants, who have used forged, or stolen, documents, phoney SS numbers, etc,, to obtain that ILLEGAL employment.
The No-Match letters need to mailed out.
E-Verify needs to be mandated for use by all employers, in all states, in our United States.
Let's make it happen Americans!!!
Posted by: Buzzm1 | May 23, 2008 9:21 AM
HOW TO REDUCE UNEMPLOYMENT OF AMERICANS!!
MANDATE E-VERIFY!!
PURGE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM OUR WORKFORCE!!
Oklahoma Unemployment Is Way Down.
Oklahoma's unemployment rate, which was a seasonally adjusted
4.3% and 4.4%, respectively, in September and October 2007
has fallen to a seasonally adjusted:
3.1% in both February and March of this year
Striking changes in Arizona as illegal immigrants flee the state
Arizona's unemployment rate dropping:
Although the rest of the country is in an economic slump, unemployment is going down in Arizona,
from 4.5% in January,
to 4.1% in March,
to 3.9% in April.
Ranking of States from lowest to highest unemployment April, 2008:
http://www.bls.gov/web/laumstrk.htm
45 MISSISSIPPI 5.9 (just passed E-Verify)
45 SOUTH CAROLINA 5.9 (just passed E-Verify)
47 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 6.0
48 RHODE ISLAND 6.1 (just passed E-Verify)
49 CALIFORNIA 6.2
50 ALASKA 6.7
51 MICHIGAN 6.9
Posted by: Buzzm1 | May 23, 2008 9:19 AM
I hope anyone elected does something to help our immigration problem. Something that will humanely help both the people already here without permission and the people who want to come.
Posted by: LFT | May 23, 2008 1:14 AM
Couldn't agree more with Dr. Gene Nelson. John, "Americans wouldn't pick lettuce for fifty dollars an hour", McCain, is an example of the best government "money" (read the elite,rich,etc.)can buy. How else can he have gone from a totally broke campaign to be the so called Republican nominee? The main stream media mentions him thousands of times, whereas, U-tube has hundreds of thousands of hits for Dr. Ron Paul who strangely was hardly mentioned by the MSM at all. Not rocket science what is going on here.
Posted by: Bobby | May 23, 2008 1:09 AM
1.) This whole immigration reform is a joke.
2.) They are not going to give our ice creams (green cards) easily. We (Indians and Chinese) should not get tantalized.
3.) These people are filthy rich (control 25% of worlds wealth) and have been doing that for a 100 years.
4.) I came in 1999. They have been trying to pass these laws from 1996.
5.) It will not happen. America has always worked well with slaves. The system will continue. All the Indians and Chinese work for 10 years and get a green card. That way we can keep depressing wages and make American do engineering and hence keep hiring immigrants. Let the cycle of servitude continue.
6.)This country is the land of the free if you are already free (born in the first world).
Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 11:55 PM
What McCain supports will lead to even more people wanting to come here illegally.
And, it will give even more power to those groups who currently oppose enforcement.
For those reasons and many others, his scheme is a recipe for disaster.
He doesn't have to be the GOP nominee, however.
Please go to his public appearances, ask him the questions MSM hacks refuse to ask, then upload his response to video sites.
For instance, ask him about his advisor who used to work with Vicente Fox:
http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007421.html
If you don't want McCain to be president, press him on that issue and then promote his response.
Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | May 22, 2008 11:34 PM
Our politicians create the problems they campaign to solve; but once in office, as John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have proven with their time in the U.S. Senate--they work more against Americans than for them.
Senators Obama, Clinton and McCain failed to address our most pressing problems in their years of service. Based on their past track records, we may expect more of the same if any of them become president.
Voting for the lesser of "three evils" would still leave us with an evil. I won't vote for any of them. IMO, Ron Paul is the best hope we have for America. If his name isn't on the ballot I will write it in.
Posted by: AmericanPatriot | May 22, 2008 11:08 PM
Go to Australia and migrate to US (faster than EB2/EB3)
I came here in 1999. I heard that they have been trying to pass these laws since 1996. Don't be fooled or tantalized. Well it is crystal clear that they don't want us (Indians and Chinese). They are never going to pass these laws and give us our ice creams (green cards). These people are filthy rich. They don't care a dime about others or people who want to work here honestly.
Why do we have to come here? I think we have wasted our lives here. It is an irony that there were easier ways to coming into US by first migrating to Australia or Canada or New-zealand. At least they will treat us as humans there. If only lot more people knew about this. It is a tragedy that people's lives have been destroyed by coming here. This is the land of the free if you are already free (that is born in the first world).
Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 11:02 PM
McCain is a great example of "The best government that money can buy." He parrots the demands of his big money donors.
Note the H-1B Visa program is a significant gateway to illegal immigration. See David Seminara's March, 2008 CIS Backgrounder, "No Coyote Needed." http://www.cis.org/articles/2008/back208.html
About half of all illegal aliens are visa overstayers. That is why a key element of "Amnesty" is "Employer Amnesty!"
If you are skeptical that this is important to "High tech" employers such as Microsoft, please note the opposition of an employer interest group to Heath Shuler's SAVE Act, H.R. 4088. From 21 April 2008: http://www.competeamerica.org/hill/letter_congress/ewic-compete-seiu-letter.pdf and 27 February 2008: http://www.competeamerica.org/news/alliance
_pr/Speaker_Pelosi_Letter.pdf
P.S. Here's a reminder from May, 2000 from one of Sen. McCain's House colleagues - Rep. Tom Davis, III, then chair of the RNCC. Davis affirmed this quote at a Town Hall meeting in Vienna, VA in March, 2008 when I asked him about it from the audience....A major supporter of pending legislation which would increase the H-1B quota, Rep. Tom Davis, III (R-VA), said, "This is not a popular bill with the public. It's popular with the CEOs . . . This is a very important issue for the high-tech executives who give the money."
This conduct exactly matches proscribed activities in the federal RICO statutes. "Things of value" are NOT to be exchanged for "Official acts."
Posted by: DrGeneNelson | May 22, 2008 9:51 PM
It seems to me, that Congressmen and Presidents as well as ALL Representatives, should NOT be allowed some kind of Immunity against "Malpractice", or "Breach of Contract(Oath)".
I would LOVE to sue Bushie in a Class Action Suit, for Breach of "Oath" when he CLAIMED he was going to ENFORCE this Country's Laws!
Then we have Peloser, Ninny, SITTING on HR-1940: Birthright Citizenship Act, as if ANYONE does NOT agree, that giving US Citizenship to Spawn of Illegals or transients Is a VERY Bad thing to do! Children of Illegals are Illegal as well! If it comes down to a Specific; The Mother.
Then, deport the Father, and the Mother can leave if she wants. If a Citizen, the Father has NO Claims on the Child, with a Restraining Order in this Country.
Or, we could keep it simple, Either Parent Illegal, no AUTOMATIC Citizenship. It might be possible to obtain as the Illegal Parent leaves with it and tries to Lawfully Immigrate in.
Mitt Romney BTW, tends to see my view. It is NOT the Invaders who are the Problem.
It is the Criminal Employers, or ID Thieves who are the source of attrition! Take away the Jobs, you STOP the Problem!
It is an EMPLOYMENT Issue!
BTW-We'll survive without the Invaders. We were doing JUST Fine, BEFORE they destroyed our Wages and Communities!\
Remember 1982? 1985?
1990? AFTER the Amnesty Screw-Up? MY Memory remembers that as the Beginning of the Nightmares! :-(
Posted by: RAT-The | May 22, 2008 9:42 PM
JakeD wrote:"Her conduct is not that of a leader."
And what kind of leadership is Obama showing on the issue of the Florida and Michigan votes? He's not willing to take the chance that counting them would take away his lead. He's not rising above political motives to include ALL voters.
Someone pointed out that if HE doesn't resolve this issue, then how can we expect him to deal with bigger issues--such as the Middle East. Personally, I don't see the situation as being any different than Al Gore's 2000 loss.
Posted by: Ali | May 22, 2008 9:39 PM
Jake D;
The cost of food is gone up because the price of fuel. And yes I would be willing to pay more for food if it meant the crime, the education costs, healthcare costs, and the lower quality of life was removed. And American teenagers could once again mow lawns and flip burgers as summer jobs. You are trying to fear people into accepting illegal aliens. We have 20-30 million of them, and only a few work in farm production. And farmers should be forced into mechanizing like most modern nations do, most nations who do not have a slave labor pool next door to abuse. And people like you who are quick to defend illegal behavior to make your tomato cost a nickel less...
"Not sure that the word "trash" appears on the base of the Statue of Liberty -- but let's set that aside for the moment, just focusing on the hard economic costs -- you are aware that the cost of food is already increasing, right? Are you willing to pay an additional 10-20% more so that "American citizens" pick the crops?"
Posted by: Bruce | May 22, 2008 9:34 PM
"Ali:
"That's fine -- let OTHER high-cost labor socities develop advanced farming machinery and then we will use that someday -- for now, while we are on the brink of recession, you'll understand that some of us want to make sure the economy is on more stable footing before we throw out the entire bottom rung of the labor force, right?"
Yeah--high cost societies like MEXICO? Mechanization is part of the reason that Mexican farmers are being displaced from farms in Mexico.
I also get the idea of a recession better than you. I graduated into the 1970s recession. A major characteristic of recession, that one in particular, was the lack of job creation. People without jobs don't buy goods. They don't pay taxes. When those jobs go to illegal aliens then Americans lose twice--they lose the job and they end up paying for the costs of the illegal alien. Note also that the unemployment rates these days are not a true reflection of unemployment because they don't include roughly two percent of the working-age population that's dropped out of the workforce (the decline in the workforce participation rate).
Posted by: Ali | May 22, 2008 9:33 PM
In 1903 when my grand parents got off the boat at Ellis Island mostly anybody could come to the States to work and gain citizenship. There was open imigration at the time. No documentation was necessary and when you got here you got your shots and papers were issued. That was then and this is now. Then we needed workers. We have always taken in the tired the homeless and the poor but those that are already here have to be the haves first before many others can obtain a welcome. Take care of those that are here already firs. then the doors can open. It's not a language thing as many have made it or a poor person's thing either. People back in 1900 spoke mostly everything but English but they all had at least one thing in common besides there own reason for being here. They all got here legally.
The United States is the only land founded by immigrants and for immigrants and will most likely always be so.
So it's not really that we can't feed any more but the safety of the situation not to mention the legalities involved don't any more make for a safe productive and welcome environment for all of us that are here or are still arriving unless it's done orderly and legally.
From a song I wrote for the US Bicentennial
The Song for the Pioneers c1975
And they came from their homelands
cross the ocean's blue water
to a land they had heard of
and a land to be free.
And they came and they wondered
as they settled in cities
if the frontier could offer
something more then they had.
So they came and they wandered
cross the plains and the prairies
through the desert and mountains
to the oceans beyond
And they came and they settled
in a land they had dreamt of
So that those that came after
had a place to call home.
And sing
Sing a song for the pioneers
Sing a song for the pioneers
Sing a song for our father's years
So sing
Sing a song for the pioneers
Sing a song for the pioneers
Sing a song
Sing a song
Sing a song Sing a song.
With regards
dePaul Consiglio
Posted by: dePaul Consiglio | May 22, 2008 9:29 PM
Notaracist wrote:"Hey racist(s): you find me an american worker who will work for $12-15/hour-50 hours per week digging holes, pouring concrete, hauling wood, etc. Every "american" worker I've had has either been a drug addict, drunk, or just plain lazy. Hey Racist(s): who's going to do the work to get it done?"
And I just bet you and the illegal employees are just paying all your taxes and SS, and employer's comp and that you're picking up their medical bills when they're injured instead of dumping them on the local emergency room. I bet, too, that you're complying with OSHA and all the other legal requirements and licenses. Someone who hires illegal aliens because they're cheap will take other shortcuts and stick others with the bill.
Posted by: Ali | May 22, 2008 9:28 PM
Ali:
That's fine -- let OTHER high-cost labor socities develop advanced farming machinery and then we will use that someday -- for now, while we are on the brink of recession, you'll understand that some of us want to make sure the economy is on more stable footing before we throw out the entire bottom rung of the labor force, right?
Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2008 9:24 PM
I'm a Democrat from Michigan and was actually considering voting for McCain solely because he was the least of three evils on the amnesty issue. This flip flop puts that out of the question. Guess I'll vote for Ralph Nader after all, even if I have to write him in.
Posted by: Ali | May 22, 2008 9:23 PM
levotb:
It's the other 99% of the issues where there's a difference ; )
Ali:
Last time I checked, all (living) American citizens have to eat food."
But not all Americans eat the SAME foods. Some food, such as wheat, relies on highly mechanized harvesting and little if any stoop labor. Then, there are tomatoes, in which biological invention and mechanization again have reduced the reliance on stoop labor. IN short, American agricultural productivity has actually been stunted by the availability of "cheap" labor. Not my opinion, but that of Prof. Martin at UC Davis.
Posted by: Ali | May 22, 2008 9:19 PM
guiadoimmigrante wrote:"Just look at our constitution and you will see humanity flowing throughout it. The founding fathers would not have deported these people. They would have been integrated into our society."
Which shows how little you know about American history or culture. The Founding Fathers were often slave owners (George Washington and Thomas Jefferson come to mind), while G.W. warned against
foreign entanglements and Ben Franklin was suspicious of immigrants. Note also that women were NOT created equal under the Constitution and didn't get the vote until 1920, long after African-American males.
As for the necessity of immigrants, don't kid yourself. Some of our greatest economic growth and success has been AFTER immigration was reduced. Americans have built this country and continue to build it. Furthermore, not all immigrants are created equal. Highly skilled educated immigrants and legal immigrants add to this country. Illegal aliens cost society both economically and culturally. This country is built on the rule of law, beginning with the Constitution, and rewarding illegal immigration flies in the face of that.
Posted by: Ali | May 22, 2008 9:16 PM
levotb:
It's the other 99% of the issues where there's a difference ; )
Ali:
Last time I checked, all (living) American citizens have to eat food.
Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2008 9:13 PM
"Well "the world's brightest minds" are not coming from Mexico, so lets seal that border, deport the trash and sure talk about visa's for educated people with something to bring to the table. But as it stands the deal is not going further until you get rid of the tax sucking, overweight(future expensive free medi-cal patients), uneducated peasants from Mexico and points further south...."
If we do away with indenturedom, i.e. using the promise of a green card to keep workers compliant, I'd be willing to have companies have as many immigrants as they want AS LONG AS THEY SHOW AMERICANS AREN'T
AVAILABLE. You know, the way we used to until employers caught on to the control an H1-b gave them over their workers.
Posted by: Ali | May 22, 2008 9:09 PM
Bruce:
Not sure that the word "trash" appears on the base of the Statue of Liberty -- but let's set that aside for the moment, just focusing on the hard economic costs -- you are aware that the cost of food is already increasing, right? Are you willing to pay an additional 10-20% more so that "American citizens" pick the crops?"
What's gone up even faster and for many years are healthcare costs, housing costs, and the cost of schools and college--all of which the American taxpayer subsidizes for illegal aliens and their employers. If people pay more for food--and labor is a VERY small part of its cost--well, at least the people who actually consume the product are the ones paying its real costs.
Posted by: Ali | May 22, 2008 9:06 PM
Bravo! to the following posters:
Brittanicus (Great post!)
Dave Reason
Arizonan
Dr. Coles (WOW!! Excellent!)
Buzzm1 (Nice seeing your posts everywhere, too!)
Larry Brown
M
RAT-The (Fantastic!)
Black Saint (Excellent point! But JakeD can't hear you...he's a shill for McLame)
JoJo7--Yes, there IS someone you can vote for who is even tougher than Tanc amd Hunter on the Invasion--Rev. Chuck Baldwin, nominee of The Constitution Party! He's also bang on on getting rid of SPP and any consideration of the NAU. Plus, he wants the UN out of the US and the US out of the UN. We could use a bit of isolationism right now!
Randy--Only trouble IS...Pelosi is the Speaker of the...HOUSE!!
not a racist: You're pathetic. I hope ICE busts your a** for hiring illegals!
JakeD and associated posters: All 3 voted for Amnesty last year and amnesties in the past, so there isn't any diffence worth noting. Amnesty destroys the U.S., as did the first major Act pushed thru by Ted Kennedy in 1965, as were all other amnesties. By the way, the lesser of two or three evils is still evil. McQueeg will keep killing American boys and draining the country of all its financial assests in an isance war started by a desperate President facing a long recession. Many voters are going to pull the lever for Hillary and Obama because they want to end the Iraq involvement and have promised to do so. McJerk is a pro-war Democrat moonlighting as a Repub. He should have been booted out of the GOP decades ago, but the GOP feared his rath and feared he'd become President as a Demo.
Posted by: levotb | May 22, 2008 9:04 PM
"Shellye Archambeau, CEO of the software company MetricStream, told McCain she was worried about the decline in H1B visas, which go to highly skilled workers, as well as the fact that foreign students earning graduate degrees here are leaving the United States in increasing numbers."
Foreign students are SUPPOSED TO GO HOME. That intent is a condition of getting a NONIMMIGRANT STUDENT VISA. If we're going to change the rules for this, then we should start being a heck of a lot stricter about who and how many foreign students we admit.
Posted by: Ali | May 22, 2008 9:02 PM
JR:
On the construction side, are you aware that home prices are decling already? New starts are down too. You are fine with those numbers going down even further because "skilled" journeyman can't find enough work?
Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2008 9:02 PM
Bruce:
Not sure that the word "trash" appears on the base of the Statue of Liberty -- but let's set that aside for the moment, just focusing on the hard economic costs -- you are aware that the cost of food is already increasing, right? Are you willing to pay an additional 10-20% more so that "American citizens" pick the crops?
Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2008 8:57 PM
Well "the world's brightest minds" are not coming from Mexico, so lets seal that border, deport the trash and sure talk about visa's for educated people with something to bring to the table. But as it stands the deal is not going further until you get rid of the tax sucking, overweight(future expensive free medi-cal patients), uneducated peasants from Mexico and points further south....
Posted by: Bruce | May 22, 2008 8:36 PM
My wife is a permanent resident alien, but she brought with her schnitzel, sauerkraut and that big-boobed girl on the St. Pauli Girl bottle so no one complained, at least not the men.
Posted by: JR | May 22, 2008 8:03 PM
If they want to come in legally, pay taxes, by auto insurance, learn the frickin' language and shop at Wall-Mart then fine.
(one out of five is not to bad I guess)
Posted by: JR | May 22, 2008 7:59 PM
They all suck-The Real JakeD for president!
Posted by: JR | May 22, 2008 7:56 PM
I just googled LaRaza, what the hell is happening to our country? It's like I'm living in Bizarro world. The guys who are supposed to protect us and claiming they will never negotiate with extremists are the ones speaking at their conventions.
Me corn-fuse-ed.
Posted by: JR | May 22, 2008 7:48 PM
I don't know, I'm usually kind of liberal but I see in my town a lot of guys out of work, they are very skilled carpenters but cannot find jobs because of a couple of big construction firms snap up the contracts by low-balling and then hire unskilled Mexicans, many of them illegal to do the work. The quality is pretty crappy but I guess it's enough to get by the inspectors, it's not the fault of the worker, they are just not skilled enough and have mouths to feed so they do what they are told.
Perhaps if American companies weren't allowed or weren't rewarded for moving to Mexico so they can hire someone for a couple of bucks a day then people from Mexico wouldn't come over here as much to find good paying work. In other words, make the companies that move to Mexico pay American minimum wages to the people they hire in Mexico.
Just a half-assed idea
Posted by: JR | May 22, 2008 7:40 PM
McCain shot himself in the foot, when he collaborated with pro-illegal immigrant lobby, because now a large portion of Republicans and Independants don't trust him anymore. He has join the ranks of those politicians that intentionally, advocated a comprehesive immigration plan that would have allowed the easy avenue towards citizenship.
When 80 percent of the American population, who want their borders closed, the fence built according to the original specifications of a two-tier construction and the 38 million illegal families gone--once--and--for--all. The public are very much aware that Arizona is seeing a resurrection of economic prosperity, as illegals are no longer pilfering the public welfare trough and fleeing--probably to California or Utah. Citizens and legal residents in other states suffering from 'Sanctuary Laws' forced upon them by corrupt state politicians are very intent on what is happening in Arizona. They understand that Arizona has become a leader in harsh employer sanction laws, which stopping the hiring of cheap illegal labor. That parasite business have no choice but to eventually hire citizen workers, and pay standard wages and offering benefits. Today, more than ever--regular workers are becoming 'Whistle-blowers' and calling (ICE) on their hot-line, to inform them of suspicious activity goings on at their workplace or elsewhere.
Thank you ARIZONA and it's people for leading the way. Other states are following your lead and are clamping down of pestilence of illegal immigrants taking American jobs. Very few newspapers are publishing articles about the drop in unemployment, the un-congested highways, the exodus of illegal alien children from the schools and emergency health care not crammed with illegal foreign nationals. (ICE) has become an urgent, strategic part of Homeland Security as their is a continuous fight to stop the explosion of illegal aliens in this country. With the hordes comes a very large influx of criminal, who are preying on innocent citizens. As always the pro-illegal immigration lobby and ethnic caucuses will try and demonise the squads of (ICE). But they are doing the job they are paid for, and however controversial their methods are. It is an enforcement job that should have been started in 1986, after the Simpson/Mazzoli Immigration control act.
Ted Kennedy had been the instigator of that law, four decades ago promising their would never be another AMNESTY. Just goes to show the lies that emanates from Washington. You just cannot trust anybody residing there, in the administrative offices. So it is only been in the last few years that (ICE) is enforcing interior immigration laws and just by their presence is placing an environment of fear in every community throughout the United States. With the assistance of Us patriots and pro-sovereignty groups, along with the silent but active citizens, (ICE) is being receiving excellent intelligence from 'Whistle blowers' who have attuned themselves to offering information on pariah companies who believe they are above the law. The illegal immigration door is closing, but not 'LEGAL' people who have permission of THE PEOPLE, to enter America. Under the new Federal SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) that (ICE) would gain extra teeth and funds to carry out the wishes of the American people
Posted by: Brittanicus | May 22, 2008 7:40 PM
Too much - too fast - gets you chaos. Square it on the back of the fat cats not the working chap. It being your creed of globalization. Who benefits most - business and the immigrant. Who benefits least - the native born worker.
Posted by: JoJo7 | May 22, 2008 7:22 PM
I vow that I will not vote for Amnesty McCain under any circumstances. He turned his nose up to the GOP base and, mark my words, the GOP base will turn its nose up to him come November.
Posted by: Dave Reader | May 22, 2008 7:21 PM
Hello,
I came to US as a student 7 years back , have a MS and MBA from American Universities Paid 200 % tuition ...working for last 5 years as engineer , paying all taxes , still waiting in the long Q for becoming a permanent resident
Posted by: Andy | May 22, 2008 7:19 PM
Immigration Reform is needed ASAP. Our country will eventually fall apart, if we are unable to resolve the mounting problems of illegal immigrants in our society. A simplistic approach, such as close the borders and deport them all as Mitt Romney wanted basically throws out the baby with the bathwater. We must all become aware that many immigrants provide important functions in our society, from housecleaning, to cooks, bakers engineers and a myriad of other jobs. If we were to remove every illegal alien in the country, you would find that most restaurants would have to close as well as thousands of other businesses that rely on them for success. Our economy need immigrant labor in order to grow. And let's not forget about the children, brought here at tender ages and now as adults cannot work, drive or go to college. We are a humane country. Just look at our constitution and you will see humanity flowing throughout it. The founding fathers would not have deported these people. They would have been integrated into our society.
www.guiadoimigrante.com
Posted by: Moses Apsan | May 22, 2008 7:17 PM
About H1B visas?
American business and elected officals have chosen to deny American workers and students the opportunity to realize their potentials. They have chosen foreign workers - primarily, Indians - to be the beneficiaries of an extraordinary largesse. Is this despicable treachery? Will it go unrewarded? Or shall we perish in silence?
Posted by: JoJo7 | May 22, 2008 7:13 PM
Yeah - that's right. McCain sticking his finger, yet once again, in the eyes of the Republican base. And he's doing it Big Time with speaking at the National Convention of LaRaza in San Diego in July. It shows his true colors. If you know what LaRaza stands for - you'll get great insight into McCain. He's beyond hope. A poor excuse for a presidential candidate. Just watch how insincere he is when he speaks to journalists.
Posted by: Arizonan | May 22, 2008 6:58 PM
Illegal Aliens and Immigration is NOT the same thing. Immigrant is a legal status granted by a sovereign country. We have to many folks who do not know and are ignorant or outright deceivers, confusing illegal alien workers calling them illegal immigrants with immigrants. Criminals did NOT build America; Citizens and LEGAL immigrants built it. American's want an end to anarchy! This is NOT a Democrat, Republican, Independent issue. It's an American Issue.
Illegal aliens are criminals, those who hire them are criminals and those who aid-and-abet them are criminals.
Illegal aliens in America have NO rights. We are required by law to arrest and prosecute, deport them. (Title 8 U.S. Code) To report illegal aliens call the DHS National Hotline 1 866 DHS 2ICE. (1-866-347-2523)
No, matter your political party affiliation, and setting aside your thoughts on issues. We all need to remember what it is to be an American Citizen. We need to make sure our elected representatives obey their Oath of Office and keep their Oath of Allegiance. See http://tinyurl.com/2znnvl Know whom you are voting for.
Posted by: Dr Coles | May 22, 2008 6:53 PM
McCain is the featured speaker at the upcoming La Raza Convention.
I figure that will just about finish him.
Posted by: Buzzm1 | May 22, 2008 6:48 PM
It is the Senate that is screwing all the Americans.. The President is just the puppet that has the power to sign or veto what the Senate puts in front of him. Time to Vote out the Senators that are sticking it to the Citizens. Start with Pelosi,Harry Reid and Kennedy they really hate the American values.The Senate has a 13 percent approval rating. The President has over 30 percent.
Posted by: Randy | May 22, 2008 6:47 PM
HOPE-fully, you are better statisfied with the immigration (and all other draconian) policies of an Obama Administration then ...
Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2008 6:47 PM
THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER AMNESTY!!
So far, eight states have Mandated that E-Verify be used by all employers within their states. There are more legislating this as we speak.
Three more states stp[[ed granting drivers licenses to illegals; down to 3 remaining states, other than Hawaii.
By far the majority of the states have anti-illegal immigration legislation lined up, even California, believe it, or not.
You can send your Congressperons, and your state legislators, faxes, letters, and email from this site:
Posted by: Buzzm1 | May 22, 2008 6:44 PM
If you wish to know why you're perishing this is John Galt speaking:
http://compuball.com/Inquisition/av/audio/ThisIsJohnGaltSpeaking.mp3
Posted by: JoJo7 | May 22, 2008 6:39 PM
Larry, well said. I don't want to take away, or put down Jake D's arguments about McCain, I simply don't trust this guy and will write in Dr. Paul absent a decent choice. This is one American who is no longer going to violate his integrity by voting for a phony choice between "two evils" I am given.
Posted by: Bobby | May 22, 2008 6:36 PM
If Senator John McCain thinks he can unite the Republican Party behind a candidacy advocating giving legal status or amnesty to foreigners who are violating our labor, tax, and immigration laws, he has another thing coming. The news media has completely missed the story about the collapse of support for Senator McCain among conservative voters.....no matter who his opponent turns out to be. The truth is the defeat of John "THE BIG ENCHILADA" McCain in November is the number one priority of those who cherish U.S. citizenship, sovereignty, and the rule of law.
Posted by: Larry Brown | May 22, 2008 6:31 PM
he makes me sick
Posted by: m | May 22, 2008 6:28 PM
May, you don't understand something about Obamas "Change" slogan. What it means is that when he gets through with Americans, that's about all that will be left in their pockets--CHANGE.
Posted by: Bobby | May 22, 2008 6:21 PM
Where is John Galt when you need 'em?
Posted by: JoJo7 | May 22, 2008 6:19 PM
Even ASSUMING all three are exactly the same on immigration (they aren't, for instance, neither Clinton nor Obama voted for the border fence), there are 99 other things you would agree with McCain vs. the other two. To me, at least, that makes the choice fairly easy.
Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2008 6:19 PM
jojo,7, I disagree, he's very smart. Not paying disability insurance, and sending them to the taxpayer paid emergency rooms, paying under the table, etc. etc. He's probably real smart. But the clock, has, shall we say, started ticking with these kinds of employers. Your time is running out.
Posted by: Bobby | May 22, 2008 6:18 PM
That CEO from Metric Stream is disgusting. She wants to staple a visa to every foreign student's degree? She wants to do this when Americans who work in IT are unemployed? This woman is despicable as are all those who applauded her!
As for McCain, Clinton and Obama--it doesn't matter who gets elected, the American worker still gets screwed. Obama blathers on and on about change and claims to care about the American worker, all the while supporting open borders and Amnesty for illegals. Same thing with Hillary and McCain. Honestly, I'm not voting for anyone of them come November!
Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 6:16 PM
One percent? We're in a War on Terror. And the borders are open. Millions of people crossing into this country - and we don't know who they are - is not a way to run a war. McCain's credibility on "National Security" is non-existent. Same as the other two.
Posted by: Arizonan | May 22, 2008 6:15 PM
I love morons who start off with "hey racists", then sign their names with "not a racist". What a clown.
Posted by: Bobby | May 22, 2008 6:15 PM
"not a racist" bet you're not a smart businessman either.
Posted by: JoJo7 | May 22, 2008 6:14 PM
With all due respect, too, that 1% you disagree with McCain on is better than the 100% disagreement you are going to get with either Obama or Hillary.
Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2008 6:12 PM
With all due respect, Jake D., John McCain teamed up with Ted Kennedy to come up with this "reform" bill. That tells you how the bill became so detested by Americans. Ted Kennedy doesn't (didn't) go half-way. He's a crazed Leftist. And McCain did his dirty work by helping him sponsor it. McCain has done absolutely nothing to help AZ with this serious problem. He, in fact, has worked against bills in this state. He micro-manages when he's obsessed with something. I hope he's leaving 'em rolling in the aisles today on the Elin Degeneres show. Another bad move.
Posted by: Arizonan | May 22, 2008 6:08 PM
Hey racist(s): you find me an american worker who will work for $12-15/hour-50 hours per week digging holes, pouring concrete, hauling wood, etc. Every "american" worker I've had has either been a drug addict, drunk, or just plain lazy. Hey Racist(s): who's going to do the work to get it done?
Posted by: not a racist | May 22, 2008 6:08 PM
These are classic Orwellian times. Republicans have set up Obama to beat Clinton, who they are far more fearful of. How will it play out? Does it matter? It'll be just more bad news for the American people. If Obama manages to defeat McCain, what do we have? If McCain wins, where will he take us? And, who in their right mind would want the Clintons back in power. Don't have a reasonable choice. Do we?
Posted by: JoJo7 | May 22, 2008 6:04 PM
As things get tighter and tighter for the people,as all of the economic slack is wrung from the economy by oil hikes,many Americans will end up just like the Katrina folks,rotting in the stadiums or rooftops with no help coming.America will learn just how worthless and entrenched the ruling class really is.
Posted by: o.s.road crew | May 22, 2008 6:04 PM
Arizonan:
If you think Immigration Reform is bad, just wait til you see what Hillary or Obama have in store for you ; )
Hubba Hubba:
Just trying to be consistent.
Bobby:
Since you think he's not being honest, but I think he is being honest, I doubt I can answer those questions for you. May I suggest you e-mail his campaign instead?
Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2008 6:03 PM
John SYDNEY McCain is in the same league as the other two candidates. Out for himself. American citizen taxpayers be damned. He'll do it HIS way.
Posted by: Arizonan | May 22, 2008 5:59 PM
So what's up with DIANE JakeD?
You don't like the name?
Posted by: Hubba Hubba | May 22, 2008 5:59 PM
Jake D, sorry, but if I could just add one more thing about McCain. What the h-ll is his problem? He has heard from millions of Americans that they don't want his version of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" yet he still pushes it over and over. Is he even mentally competent or is it that he thinks Americans aren't?
Posted by: Bobby | May 22, 2008 5:55 PM
I "trust" him better than Barack HUSSEIN Obama or Hillary DIANE Clinton.
Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2008 5:53 PM
JakeD, many Americans aren't bothered by McCain wanting to enact immigration reform, they just don't like the "way" he wants to reform the U.S., which, as I said would have the effect of turning it into Mexico. He and his wife Cindy, are way to connected to Mexico, to be operating objectively where that nation is concerned. He stands to make a great deal of money from the SPP, when we are forced to unite with Narco State.
Posted by: Bobby | May 22, 2008 5:51 PM
Jake D.: John McCain explained "how" he'll "secure the borders." He'll ask border state governors if they're secure. LOL! Hmmm let's see - we have Arnold in CA, Napolitano (D) in AZ; Richardson (D) in New Mexico; and Perry (R) in Texas. They're all open borders governors. There's the rub. Now - do you trust this man? He's still prevaricating. Nothing "Straight Talk" about Mr. McCain.
Posted by: Arizonan | May 22, 2008 5:51 PM
I like that... John "Amnesty" McCain... I sure hope Lou Dobbs runs for President...
Posted by: mlimberg | May 22, 2008 5:46 PM
Bobby and Arizonan:
It seems to me that McCain is being honest when he took personal responsibility for Congress's failure to enact immigration reform last year and will seek to secure the borders too.
Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2008 5:44 PM
Anyone who still believes we have a viable democracy is deluded. We are given three, SPP, One World Government, Open borders, Corporate Welfare supporting Candidates, to choose for President. I just love the deluded die hard Republicans that support John,"Americans wouldn't pick lettuce for fifty dollars an hour" McClown, I mean McCain. What a bunch of nut cases you are. What's the difference whether the Democrats or McCain turn the United States into Mexico? None to you, apparently.
Posted by: Bobby | May 22, 2008 5:37 PM
This is the reason McCain will never, ever get my vote. I'm a Republican who was bamboozled by Bush. It won't happen again with this liar. He will try and get his way on the amnesty for illegals by hook or by crook. Look who's surrounding him 24/7 - Lindsey Graham and Joe Lieberman. McCain is a poor excuse for a presidential candidate.
Posted by: Arizonan | May 22, 2008 5:34 PM
RAT-The:
McCain's position on immigration actually makes me MORE likely to vote for him.
Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2008 5:20 PM
McCain's Hispanic Outreach person was a Cabinet member in Mexico's Vicente Fox's government and is openly for reconquest of Southwest USA.
Some of his comments.
"I never knew the border as a limitation; I'd be delighted if all of us could come and go between these two marvelous countries."
"We have recognized that the Mexican population is 100 million in Mexico and 23 million who live in the United States...We are a united nation."
Mexican immigrants "are going to keep one foot in Mexico and are not going to assimilate."
"We are betting that the Mexican population in the United States ...will think Mexico first."
McNut,s reasons for Amnesty
McCain's God,s Children Argument!
Then there is they are all God,s children argument(Another McCain favor) well isn't everyone God,s children? If so then guess McCain is saying everyone and anyone has the right to Invade this Nation, waving their flags, demand their rights, while feasting at the trough of public welfare and Kill, Rape and Rob thousands of American citizens each year! There are 100,s of millions probably billions from India, China, Africa, etc. that would like to immigrat to the USA. If it ok for Latinos to pour across our borders then unless the open borders crowd are racist it should be ok for any and all of the world people to invade this nation!
McCain's Lettuce Argument!
There's the "lettuce" argument -- we'll be paying $50/head (or starving)( McCain really likes this argument) if we don't have illegal aliens working in the fields. As Phil Martin, ag economist at UC Davis shows, the field labor cost in a $1 head of lettuce is about 6 cents. Triple those wages and Americans will do the jobs. (They're not career positions. They're seasonal jobs for young people, starting in the world of work. I have did similarly menial jobs.) And you'll be paying 10% more for lettuce and other produce. Do you spend $1,000/year on produce? OK, you'll pay $100 more.
There are approx. 20 to 30 millions Illegal Aliens in the USA less than 2% work in the fields but 43 % are on Welfare. If you count their Medical cost and Educating their Spawn at a cost of 7 to 10k per year to American Tax payers as Welfare then close to 100% are on Welfare that American poor and middle class pay an average of 20k per year so the rich have a unlimited supply of slave labor and the Democrats the Welfare vote!
The lettuce argument also parallels that for the retention of slavery.
Immigrant Argument!
There's the "everyone's an immigrant except for the 'Native Americans'" argument. Well, the American Indians didn't sprout from the land, they came across the Bering land bridge from Asia. So if the criterion is "You're an immigrant if you had an ancestor who immigrated here," then American Indians are immigrants, too.
In that case, "immigrant" is no longer a useful word, since Everyone's an immigrant.
Stole Southwest Argument!
There's the "the U.S. stole the southwest" argument. Well, the land in dispute was "owned" by Spain for a couple of centuries. Then by Mexico for about 25 years. During these periods, there weren't more than a few thousand Spaniards or Mexicans in the entire territory. It's been owned by the U.S. for about 160 years now, much longer than Mexico's reign. And the U.S. has actually done something with the land, made it habitable for tens of millions. As Robert Kaplan has described, the difference between American and Mexican "twin cities" straddling the border is like night and day, yet the land is obviously the same. It's not the dirt that's important, it's the people. Put another way, if culture didn't matter, Mexico and Central America would be paradise.
Illegal pay taxes Argument!
There's the "illegal aliens pay tons of taxes" argument. Sure, they all pay real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states). Those working on the books (typically using stolen Social Security numbers) pay FICA and, perhaps, income taxes. But they're mostly ill-educated and low-skilled and pay very low taxes connected to their working -- in fact, most claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, i.e. negative income tax! If a family with both parents working has two kids in school, that's at least $15k/year just for schooling, way more than the taxes on, say, $35k/year aggregate income.
Robert Rector at the Heritage Foundation has done the systematic accounting on all this. A typical household headed by a low-skilled illegal alien is a net drain of about $20k/year for the rest of us, year after year. (Low-skilled Americans are a similar burden, but they're part of the national family, not gate crashers from other societies.)
Illegal Bad..Amnesty good Argument!
There's the "illegal immigration is bad, but make them citizens and problem solved" argument. Nope. If that were the case, legalizing (i.e. amnestying) the illegal aliens would solve the problem. But they'd still be (on average) low-skilled workers whose burden on the rest of us would continue. In fact, once legal they'd be able to access more public benefits programs, so their cost to the rest of us would actually rise substantially. In short, most of the problems of mass illegal immigration are shared by mass amnestying them.
The flood of immigrants drives wages and living conditions in our central cities toward those of the Third World.
- The influx imposes both sprawl and gridlock on our metropolitan areas.
- Immigrant families needing services overwhelm our schools, taxpayer-funded health care facilities, and other public agencies.
- Those requiring services don't assimilate and, instead, expect to be served in their native languages.
- American civic culture frays as each ethnic group establishes its own grievance lobby and pushes for preferences.
- Communicable diseases such as tuberculosis (new, drug-resistant strains) return.
- Shortages of water and other resources loom, especially in immigration-blitzed Southwest.
Most that come across our open borders come from countries where, Crime, Corruption, Poverty, Misery, Anti-education, and hate for Americans has existed for centuries and is normal. Should anyone be surprised they bring those same family values across the border with them?
Posted by: Black Saint | May 22, 2008 5:11 PM
The next time you see Senator Harry Reid I want you to stop him, shake his hand and thank him from removeing the illegal alien amnesty (AGJobs ammendment and the H2-B visa increase ammendment ) that was snuk into the Iraq Funding Bill.
Posted by: Dear Senator | May 22, 2008 5:04 PM
Go to Australia and migrate to US (faster than EB2/EB3)
I came here in 1999. I heard that they have been trying to pass these laws since 1996. Don't be fooled or tantalized. Well it is crystal clear that they don't want us (Indians and Chinese). They are never going to pass these laws and give us our ice creams (green cards). These people are filthy rich. They don't care a dime about others or people who want to work here honestly.
Why do we have to come here? I think we have wasted our lives here. It is an irony that there were easier ways to coming into US by first migrating to Australia or Canada or New-zealand. At least they will treat us as humans there. If only lot more people knew about this. It is a tragedy that people's lives have been destroyed by coming here. This is the land of the free if you are already free (that is born in the first world).
Posted by: . | May 22, 2008 5:01 PM
So we should issue a diploma "and a visa" to a foreign student so they can remain in this country and take a job that could be filled by an American student that also earns a diploma of equal rating.
The reason for this is????
Does the American expect to receive an adequate salary? Possibly just a portion of what top executives get for bonuses?
Who is kidding who here? We have all seen how the foreigner will accept huge reductions in wages to remain in the United States. These execs are laughing all the way to the bank with this scam!
Posted by: motiv8ed | May 22, 2008 4:59 PM
Uh-oh.... the peasants are revolting. RAT-THE is rebelling against his party's candidate.
Everybody, start the drumbeat
AMNESTY
AMNESTY
AMNESTY
John McCain has just lost the support of RAT-THE
John "AMNESTY" McCain will lead the GOP this fall!
Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 22, 2008 4:54 PM
Juan McAmnesty, Ted "Hiccup" Kennedy, Lindsay "You loudmouth bigots" and Mel "buenos dias" Martinez will all be back (well maybe not Kennedy) to gain what they lost. These bozos would have everyone forget about the multiple failures of the IRCA of 1986. It just gets worse from here.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 4:50 PM
"We should give them a diploma and staple a visa right at the same time, so they can stay," she said, prompting applause from the audience.
What about the millions of Americans who lost their jobs? Who looks after them?
Posted by: Playa | May 22, 2008 4:49 PM
As a CONGRESSMAN, McCain, just like Hitlery, and Obasama, HAD AN OBLIGATION to FUND Federal Agents to verify Worker's ID's.
It is JUST THAT SIMPLE! Construction Sites, Landscaping Crews, Automotive Shops, Service Industries! Skilled and Semi-Skilled EVERYDAY Jobs!
That as is, Have NOT ONLY been STOLEN from American Workers, But, TAKEN UNDER THE TAX TABLE! While the Illegal Invaders and their Families Drai








It boils down to the fears of uneducated(high-school educated) wasp Americans and their failure to adapt to a globalizing world. In previous generations, it was the Irish, Jews, blacks, Italians, Eastern-Europeans' fault. Now it's the "big bad Latino". Nazi Germany, anybody?
Thank God that the presidential candidates realize that monsters and mistakes of nature such as Dobbs, Senator Sessions, Tancredo with their Nazi-like pandering to the xenophobes won't help the debate.
A comprehensive immigration reform, similar to the one that the GOP derailed last year, will pass in '09 or '10.