The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

Mrs. Clinton's remark was not thoughtless. It was well thought out malice on her part.

Wow...you Hillary supporters are sickeningly dillusional. Getting your ass whooped fair and square doesn't entitle you people to ANYTHING!

Obama and McCain were the Bosnia snipers!!!

vote the hillary, britney spears ticket. goverment by the insane for the insane. (loved your last cd hillary!)

I am disheartened by the shallowness of comments and lack of intellectual depth. People making comments about a female candidate by referring to anatomy; people making racist comments about a black candidate - how enlightening! As for the endless griping about candidates making stupid or cruel comments and attacking one another, where are your collective memories? It's politics as usual. Personally, I find it hard to believe that Clinton, given her intelligence and experience, really meant anything sinister. Dumb? Absolutely! Here are two people competing for a nomination who have been on a dead run for months. They are exhausted and stressed out. What bothers me more are comments made by a man who is not running for office. A man who calls a grieving mother " unpatriotic." Why? Because she disagrees with the war. How shameful is that? We have a president whose legacy will be death, war and political cronyism at the expense of the American people.A man who, like some child, stoops to name calling. A president who sits by and watches the financial rape of hard working Americans while he takes care of his buddies. For God's sake, get off the arguing and vote for whichever Democrat gets the nod. McCain will only gives us more of what Bush has already handed us - more war, more debt and the lie that drilling in Alaska will actually reduce the cost of gas!Do what you can to keep the Dem. party together. The people will decide whether Clinton or Obama get the nod. Let it play out with or without candidate blunders.

This sounds frighteningly familiar: do something REALLY STUPID and then blame it on someone else. Let's follow Clinton's logic for a second: Breaking the rules is not the problem. Getting caught is the problem.

Lawlessness is OK, but snitches are bad.

America, would any of us really fall for Hillary's bs anymore? Are you SO determined to have a vagina in the oval office that you will overlook the obvious fact that she is not qualified?

Just another reason to dislike candidate Clinton. Was this just another slip similar to the sniper fire? Was this a calculated, desperate attempt to give people another reason to vote for her highness. She is truly dishonest. We're suffering through eight years of dishonesty with the current administration. Do we really want another four?

Just keep blaming everyone else for your failures. That's a great strategy. Why we would ever want someone in the White House who can not admit she made a mistake. Oh, that's right, let's not think about that Iraq vote.

The Real Truth - Since you and your illiterate, racist, and biased counterparts like to toss around the pieces of the constitution you like best and ignore the rest - be enlightened as to Article VI "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

Did you idiots catch the "no religious test" part? Its people like you why we remain the class dunce of the world stage, you cherry pick the constitution to suit your self centered points of view,. Do the rest of us a favor and never reproduce; we have enought GWB-types around. Stupid fool

So Hillary was caught,
Expressing that which is in her soul.
That Obama would simply disappear,
By any mean, by any fear.

So Hillary was caught,
Expressing that which is in her mind.
Since she can't win the nomination ride
Maybe some coo coo, might take obama out.

So Hillary was caught,
Expressing that which is in her heart.
Evil, malice and super spinning lies,
To reach her non-destiny White House.

She has moved the bar, which he has constantly surpassed.
She has cried her way to a win, while he has double the wins with dignity.
She has used the race card, the gender card, while he has evaded everything but his heart.
She will become a caricature marked by time, and judged by history instead of lies.
While he will be stamped in years to come, as a simple president that became a great man.

WHAAAA WHAAAAAAA...

I love it, the Dems fighting the Dems... Now a portion of the Dems finally get the treatment in the news media and from Libs that the Republicans have for years. We are just sitting back loving the imploding.. Go RUSH LIMBAUGH and Operation Chaos....

This is Obama's fault. Hillary said it, so Obama must be to blame!

I was considering voting for her in the beginning, but now she has become like an annoying clinging leach who won't let go. She is slowly sucking the blood out of the American people.

Why are they blaming him?? The news media picked up and ran with it the moment she made the statement. The are again playing the blame game.

Hillary Clinton is a very intelligent person and for her to make such a comment is unreal.She could have referred to many other examples to get her point across other than RFK. I don't believe she said what she did to bring harm to Obama, but for her to choose those words is unforgiveable. She is exhausted and needs a couple of days off. I wonder how she would handle herself in the White House under pressure. She has done just about everything and anything to stay in this race. All she is doing is hurting the Democrats and the chance for them to try and straighten out the mess that Bush made. She needs to step aside and let Obama do what he does best. Also, for her to put the blame on him is funny. Why is it that she blames everyone else (Obama) for all her blunders. Of course "The O Team" had to make a statement. What does she think????

Clinton is a moral coward and an advocate for piss-poor state-craft in voting to invade Iraq.

She made her bed - and now she will sleep in it.

To those who would ever consider taking the words of Ken Blackwell (failed candidate of Uncle Toms everywhere) or Thomas Sowell (Rush Limbaugh's favorite purveyor of Black self-hate) seriously, remember that Republicans (Blackwell is one at least) love these guys for a reason.

The remarks may not have been intended to scare the country over the possibility of an assassination, but her "explanation" that Ted Kennedy was on her mind is so like her. Just like she cried in New Hampshire for the country and not for any personal hurt feelings. The trouble with the Clintons is that they are situationally dishonest. We should not let someone lie her way into the office, even though the lies are not like the lies of Chaney and Bush.

I don't need the Obama campaign to tell me what to think. I do my own thinking, thank you. I think anyone with a brain in his/her head would see Clinton's remark as a not-so-veiled hint that someone would or should shoot Obama. Hillary sounds more and more like the "vast, right-wing conspiracy" in her self-serving meanness and her lack of dedication to reality.
An implication of her statement that I haven't seen commented on is that it is a tacit admission that her only chance to get the nomination this year is to have someone shoot Obama.

Either Hilary is complete idiot who cannot place words properly when she is talking about something, or she is a very evil person - Both which makes her very unsuitable to be President of the US.

I used to be a Clinton supporter. But her trying to cling on to a nomination that is almost over, and the venomous rhetoric coming out of her is just appalling. She needs special counseling to come to terms with her loss of the nomination. After watching her for some months, I have switched my support for Obama - who will go on to be the Democratic nominee for the Presidential election. Let all Democrats come together and vote for Obama.

At best, Senator Clinton's remark was hugely insensitive (especially since her "facts" were wrong, and she could easily have mentioned other and more recent examples where the Democratic candidate in June survived). What bothers me even more, however, is the assertion that it must have been OK because RFK, Jr., did not take offense. Lest anyone forget, Senator R. Kennedy's widow Ethel is still alive (and an Obama supporter) and he had eleven children -- it is entirely possible that some of them found the remark to be unnecessary and tasteless, again to say the least. Sad.

She needs MEDICATION!! Seriously, we are witnessing a profile in self-destruction. It is a very ugly side of the human condition. I can only wish her help in seeking medical attention. I see her self-pity ending up disastrously if she does not get some objective minds in there to help her.

BORING AND TOTALLY DISGUSTING POSTS. PARTICULARLY THE ENDLESS DUPLICATES. GET A LIFE, ALL OF YOU.

Finally, the Hill camp fights fire with fire. This Obama scum somehow thought RFK's assassination was about him? What an arrogant ego-centric dirt bag. This is a start. Obama needs to be exposed for his dirty politics. He claims to be change and unity? This is not the 'change' America wants.

Obama is disgusting thug. I am contacting the DNC to ask that he be removed from the primary race for not only blocking voters rights in both FL and MI, but also for running a racist and cut-throat campaign against Hillary Clinton.

The superdelegates must make the right decision at the convention and get rid of this horrible drug using racist. Hillary Clinton has already proven that she can defeat McCain via the primaries. Obama will lose. Democrats are not in this to lose and America will not elect a racist drug using president.

I hope the Obama valkyries start to realize how hopeless this is for them and also how these attacks on Clinton are securing her nomination at the convention.

Do you Obama fans realize that the rest of the nation is disgusted with the Obama camp inventing opportunities to turn nearly everything Hillary (or Bill) Clinton says into something it's not? Can we ever get past the paranoia? All this protective defense of Obama says and does is beyond sickening.

The only thing more disgusting than the man himself are his sycophantic followers. Once he loses either the nomination or the general and we get past the several days of rioting sure to follow his loss, it will be a relief to put him and his ugly, racist, divisive campaign into cold storage -- forever.

Pardon me???? I believe it was Mr. Obama who told reporters he believes her line, when most of America doesn't. These are the guys who lost her campaign for her and they're now as nuts as her. Who's drinking the Kool-Aid??

Clinton is beyond vile.

Please contact Howard Dean (deanh@dnc.org) and Nancy Pelosi (http://speaker.house.gov/) to let them know how you feel. You can also go to this website and lobby the Uncommitted Superdelegates in each state (https://www.lobbydelegates.com/)

Please take action.

DAMN YOU, OBAMA! I KNOW OF YOUR MIND CONTROL DEVICE! GET OUTTA MY HEAD! YOU WERE THE SNIPER IN BOSNIA! I KNEW IT!

Sorry but Clinton is a creep. Not only did she make a bad historical comparison since the primary campaigns have changed dramatically from the references she made (California was at the end with many delegates up for grabs), but she didn't just say Kennedy had just won the primary in California in June, she mentioned his assassination. Anybody who doesn't understand the difference ought to be prevented from voting for 'stupidity'. But more typical of Clinton is her blaming others for HER words. What a loser!

Hay moron, It was watched on a live video feed by a room full of reporters. It didn't take anyone to rat out Hillary everybody had the story at the same time.

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Urgent and Important:

Obama's Campaign were responsible for reporting Clinton gaffe on Bobby Kennedy Assassination

MSNBC News: 9: 15 am May 26, 2008
Lynn Sweet informs MSNBC that Obama's campaign were the first to complain to the NY media outlet to report the "Bobby Kennedy Assassination" remark by Hillary.
Obama's campaign reported it and the other stations followed suit.

Pleasee investigate the transcript of Lynn Sweet's conversation and make an issue out of this to be fair to Clinton supporters. There are over 17 million of Americans that love and support Senator Clinton.

Thank you.

Posted by: | May 26, 2008 10:09 AM

It is as though everything is an IQ test and no one is getting anything right. If you watch the clip on youtube you will see she was talking in the second person as though she is speaking as Hillary. This is what she is saying Hillary would like, not herself. My God, how much do people have to dumb down their conversation so the average listener can understand? It is like you are talking to children or something. I wonder if anyone here will even understand what I just wrote.

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I just saw the FOX NEWS video clip featuring the Liz Trotta interview and I have to admit I didn't know who she was - so I looked up her bio on the Internet. I thought that she must be some wacko wing-nut, but lo and behold, she is a well respected journalist with several awards to her credit. So can someone please tell me how she can get away with not only hoping for, but also laughing about the assassination of Barack Obama on a major news network and no one seems to be making a big deal about it? For God's sake, this man is potentially the next President of the United States of America. Have we sunk that low? Hillary Clinton, what have you started?

Posted by: Dave R. | May 26, 2008 9:02 AM

That MSNBC report about Obama's camp being the first to report the Clinton blooper is incorrect. The reporters who were with Clinton stated that the actual breaking of the news was done by the reporter for the New York Post and then by the Drudge Report. There were articles in this very paper telling of that. Check the time line.

Look Oh Dense One====++++ you were the one who said the words in poor taste, not Obama. You wouldn't admit that you told a big lie about your Bosnia trip and sniper fire. People aren't going to believe you if you said the sky was blue. You said something awful and it was in poor taste . There is no excuse for it, and the more you stick to your vile train of thought, the worse it is going to get. Obama was gracious enough to give you and out. Be gracious enough to apologize to the country , to Obama supporters, and especially to the Obama family, this would be your best bet on damage control. Instead , you show a distinct bent toward the George W. Bush method of never admitting you are wrong and hanging with it until it is drove right up you know where , just like your vote to go to war in Iraq and your backing of Bush on the Iran vote.You don't know when to let something drop. People think you savor the fighting more than doing the right thing.

Urgent and Important:

Obama's Campaign were responsible for reporting Clinton gaffe on Bobby Kennedy Assassination

MSNBC News: 9: 15 am May 26, 2008
Lynn Sweet informs MSNBC that Obama's campaign were the first to complain to the NY media outlet to report the "Bobby Kennedy Assassination" remark by Hillary.
Obama's campaign reported it and the other stations followed suit.

Pleasee investigate the transcript of Lynn Sweet's conversation and make an issue out of this to be fair to Clinton supporters. There are over 17 million of Americans that love and support Senator Clinton.

Thank you.

Urgent and Important:

Obama's Campaign was responsible for reporting Clinton gaffe on Bobby Kennedy Assassination

MSNBC News: 9: 15 am May 26, 2008
Lynn Sweet informs MSNBC that Obama's campaign were the first to complain to the NY media outlet to report the "Bobby Kennedy Assassination" remark by Hillary.
Obama's campaign reported it and the other stations followed suit.

Pleasee investigate the transcript of Lynn Sweet's conversation and make an issue out of this to be fair to Clinton supporters. There are over 17 million of Americans that love and support Senator Clinton.

Urgent and Important:

Obama's Campaign were responsible for reporting Clinton gaffe on Bobby Kennedy Assassination

MSNBC News: 9: 15 am May 26, 2008
Lynn Sweet informs MSNBC that Obama's campaign were the first to complain to the NY media outlet to report the "Bobby Kennedy Assassination" remark by Hillary.
Obama's campaign reported it and the other stations followed suit.

Pleasee investigate the transcript of Lynn Sweet's conversation and make an issue out of this to be fair to Clinton supporters. There are over 17 million of Americans that love and support Senator Clinton.

I hope the WP is keeping track of the real death threats made in their blogs against Sen. Clinton, such as the one shorty below this post. Yes, Obamites, you are the ones we've been waiting for all right. Your class knows no boundaries.

I just wish Hillary would drop dead and get out of our lives for good.

Hill and Bill. Will you PLEASE stop the BS?

We the People know that you will do anything including raising fear to possibly get a vote.

I used to like Bill. I don't now.

Hillary, I met you once. 'I NEVER had warm feelings or admiration for you.'

Drop this drivel and try to act like a dedicated public servant who is a Democrat.

to Gregory Peek you posted @ 7:51 pm on 5/25/08

I totaly agree with you but you forgot about the $100mil from the Kazstin(sp) billionair. and the columbin drug lords.
He sold the White House and now can

It is astounding. Obama let her off easy over the weekend saying he took her at her word, and it's been a long campaign. He was too much of a gentleman to bring up the fact that she talked about assassination before. No gaffe, it was the same thing she said before. And now to blame his people for stoking this story? Can't this awful woman just go away?

Who is Elme? Can we get her a job, or something more interesting to do than writing 100,000 words to support the campaigns of dead, old school, Republican-lite, dynasty-minded Democrats like the Hilldog?

I just saw the FOX NEWS video clip featuring the Liz Trotta interview and I have to admit I didn't know who she was - so I looked up her bio on the Internet. I thought that she must be some wacko wing-nut, but lo and behold, she is a well respected journalist with several awards to her credit. So can someone please tell me how she can get away with not only hoping for, but also laughing about the assassination of Barack Obama on a major news network and no one seems to be making a big deal about it? For God's sake, this man is potentially the next President of the United States of America. Have we sunk that low? Hillary Clinton, what have you started?

Hillary is being disingenuous, at best. If she really meant only that this has been a long race and there are parallels in history, all she had to say was, "My husband didn't clinch the nomination until June, and Bobby Kennedy was still campaigning in California in June, 1968." Instad, she said, "My husband didn't clinch the nomination until June, and Bobby Kennedy was assassinated." There are so many other choices of words she could have used. She didn't. She meant every word. It was a cold, calculated, lame attempt to cast a shadow on Obama's viability as a candidate. She deserves all the scorn and "special comments" she gotten.

How I long for the days of Walter Cronkite!
To anyone who listened to the comment, Sen. Clinton's remarks were deep in a 20-minute clip of an otherwise routine conversation. She was responding to a question about the Democratic Party being divided by the length of the campaign. She first referenced her husband and said that he was in the race in June. Then as a second illustration, she added that Sen. Kennedy was in the race in June when he was assassinated.

As Paul Krugman (New York Times) argues, it wasn't the best example to use, but it's absurd to suggest, as Obama supporters immediately did, that Mrs. Clinton was making some kind of dark hint about Barack Obama's future. Similarly, it was divisive for the Obama campaign to portray Mrs. Clinton's assertion that it took L.B.J.'s political skills to turn Martin Luther King's vision into legislation as an example of politicizing race. Yet the claim that Mrs. Clinton was playing the race card, which was promoted by Obama supporters as well as in a memo by a member of Mr. Obama's staff turned the tide for Sen. Obama. This tactic may have gained Sen. Obama the nomination but it has been extremely divisive. It only serves to divide the Democratic Party and make it more difficult for either candidate to win in November.

Obama is a GE product sponsored by NBC/MSNBC. You have seen the stocks of GE fall last year and now thet are selling their appliance industries. Hillary supporters like me are boycotting GE and watch its stock CRASH this year. Same for CNN also. It hurts to say but FOX is more fair and balanced. If not Hillary, vote McCain

- A McCain Democrat

Dear Elme, you write:

quoting me: ",,,...Two years ago I was actively encouraging people about H. Clinton's possible bid for the White House.....& then ...,,,,"

quoting you: "Mind explaining to me HOW its possible for you to be so thorougly brainwashed by the Media, on the basis of NOTHING but vague generalities and character assassination?"

Your assumption I am brainwashed is only showing you cannot fathom anything other than what you want to believe about people having opinions other than yours.

Your suggesting the media writes about H. Clinton "on the basis of NOTHING but vague generalities and character assassination?"
...is absurd. what do YOU base that on.

There is not enough room here to go into every detail of the campaign but going back over the statements and utter lies of the Clintons recently should suffice.

The recent remark by H. Clinton regarding the Robert Kennedy assassination, then the lame apology to the Kennedys and AGAIN trying to turn the table and suggest the "bad guy" here is Obama because he reacts, is ample enough evidence and shows the same tactics used before by republicans again and again to slander their opponents.

Also the race issue, first being brought up by the Clintons, then when Obama's camp reacts, they suggest, as Bill did: "it was just a question of time before Obama would play the race card" (paraphrasing)

These are just two examples straight from the horses' mouths and I believe straight thinking people have been more and more able to see through this mean spirited campaign.

And do not suggest only Obama supporters echo one another here. I was NOT an Obama supporter but have become one, precisely due to the fact the Clintons are trying to dupe people to a point that insults me, and all voters, whether they wish to see it or not.

And by the way, from some people's points of view, if she is insane, she will probably make the more competent president after all.....look at where the last few have led this country! Being partially insane may be a prerequisite for holding what used to be a respected office.

Personally I think Obama is a dreamer and if elected will never be able to carry out meaningful, substantial reform to better the country. The difference between him and the Clintons is he cares, and probably believes he can make a difference. The Clintons seem to be in it for some reason(s) I was myself stupidly believing were not as high on their list of priorities as they have proven to be.

,,,...Well Elme, Thanks for all your information (which is misguiding and manipulating)now we know what you spend your nights on. ....,,,

A. didn't know you were interested in what I spend my night on.

B. "..."which is misguiding and manipulating" ...?

all rithty then ... WHICH ..informations...is misguiding and manipulating ... complain ... more specifically NEXT Time ... then it MIGHT MEAN Something.

Does anyone else see a parallel here between Britanny Spears meltdown and Hillary's? Another celebrity gone off the deep end...equally sad, equally out of touch with reality, equally insulated from truth and equally in need of psychiatric care...

Box-office movie at the theatre near you, ... "Fatal Election" starring Hillary as Glenn Close, & Obama as Michael Douglas. It's a riveting, never-ending thriller that will put you to sleep.

Well Elme, Thanks for all your information (which is misguiding and manipulating)now we know what you spend your nights on.

,,,...Two years ago I was actively encouraging people about H. Clinton's possible bid for the White House.....& then ...,,,,

Mind explaining to me HOW its possible for you to be so thorougly brainwashed by the Media, on the basis of NOTHING but vague generalities and character assassination?

Here we go again with the usual Clinton campaign slime, assert something unthinkable and then blame the offended person their trying to destroy. Dont' we know by now, Clinton doesn't ever do anything wrong. Obama is responsible for every dirty strategy the Clinton campaign has caused. The truth, there is only one campaign that is disgusting, underhanded, slimy and out to destroy the other candidate and that is the Clinton campaign. Slick Willy and his cat fighting wife have done everything from putting out defaming emails claiming Obama's a Muslim to organizing her supporters in Nevada to file a suit to get voting booths out of casinos where Obama was endorsed by the culinary union to using the race card-not once, not twice but three times: Slick Willy in SC primary, Ferraro and then the Hillery herself saying he cannot win working white voters. There is much, much more dirty stuff from this campaign but I will leave it here and say there is nothing good that can come out of the Clinton campaign. I believe the DNC will have to tell her it's over and if she doesn't relent, recall her affiliation as a Democrat.

...,,,...Nuclear energy is clean and safe.France uses it exclusively and they reprocess rather than store the plutonium.All forms of alternative energy should be explored,and it is not a crime to make some money in the attempt to clean the environment....,,,...

How about looking up: nuclear waste dumps & reading about the 50 year nightmare HISTORY of "clean" nuclear energy? How about looking up the newspaper stories from the 1970's about Denver suburbs on the side nearest Rocky Flats where way too many people were DYING from cancer because of the PLUTONIUM released into the AIR from Fires at Rocky Flats?

How about looking up the name and location of the facility in upstate NY that was the LAST nuke REPROCESSING facility in the United States. Closed down decades ago because the buildings and all the equipment at the facility became So Radioactive no one could work there anymore. So radioactive it had to be mothballed, encased in concrete, at a cost of how many BILLIONS of dollars...I forget how much $$$ ... its been decades since I read the NEWS.

NEXT ... ask yourself this question: What does it MEAN ... ENERGY HOLE? You don't know? Ok, I will tell you. It MEANS, IF the Energy you have to (Input)/USE to GET...Transport...USE ENERGY = MORE Energy than you get out/OUTPUT; that's an Energy Hole, and, just like if you get "in the hole" in the matter of money ... if it keeps up ... you will go BROKE.

Besides, what we folks pay in Higher Electricity COSTS for nuclear power plants, The FED Govt. SPENDS BILLIONS ... supporting the nuke industry...THAT Costs US Money TOO. Building MAMMOTH extremely COMPLEX Centralized Power PLANTS makes no sense ... economically, or ANY OTHER WAY.

Don't think so? Think nuclear power plants are SAFE? Ok, then go live NEAR one, and HOPE some garden variety LOONY, or, some terrorist ... does not start a FIRE, lob a grenade, or shoot an RPG into that NUKE WASTE they have been STORING on-site For DECADES.

It is a crime to make money from polluting the earth water and air... Look up Hanford WA nuke waste and the Columbia River, Look up Barnwell SC nuke waste and groundwater.

It is a crime to MAKE electicity MORE EXPENSIVE for everyone to line the Pockets of a wealthy FEW. It is a crime to TURN the PAGE BACK to Obsolete 70-year old technology/MONOPOLY Energy ... instead of Going Forward into the Future with RENEWABLE, CLEAN, De-Centralized, CHEAPER Energy.

Elme, tell me "specifically" how you feel about Sen. Clinton's behavior in this race>

Tell me how you feel about "the kitchen sink" (Ok, but you will have to be more specific, yourself, about that vague "kitchen sink")

The racists remarks (As I previously posted: When a crime is alleged, the police look for MOTIVE and OPPORTUNITY.
The Clintons had NO MOTIVE, NOTHING to GAIN by making racist remarks.

Clinton was ahead in the South Carolina Primary Polls by 20 points ---at the time Obama's campaign started Pushing those accusations of racism TO THE MEDIA. Those accusations were ABSURD on their face and an insult to the intelligence of all of us.

Obama had MOTIVE, and, he was caught red-handed making those accusations in a 4-Page Internal Campaign MEMO created for the purpose of PUSHING those accusations to the MEDIA.

The pandering to republicans (John McCain would make a better President) { I don't think Clinton said that.)

The NAFTA lies (Multiple witnesses say she WAS opposed to NAFTA on the same grounds she objects to it today, but did loyally agree to help Bill work that COMPROMISE with the Republicans -- it was originally Bush Sr's legislation. I don't know the details, but it may have been during the time when the Republicans had Control of Congress & could have Passed any NAFTA legislation they wanted, but may have agreed to a COMPROMISE with Clinton so he wouldn't VETO it.) TWO or more witnesses do constitute PROOF in a Court, so since more than TWO witnesses have attested that Clinton was Opposed to NAFTA, as it was written, I have no cause to believe she is lying about it.)

The Foreign Policy experience lies. (You would have to be more Specific on that one. The idea that Hillary Clinton has no foreign policy experience is ridiculous given that even the Republicans know she was a PARTNER fully Politically involved in Bill's presidency, and in his Governorship of Arkansas, for that matter.)

The signing off on Florida and Mich. and then trying to change the rules in a flawed election. (Hillary signed a Pledge NOT TO CAMPAIGN in Florida or Michigan. The voters in Florida was told NOT TO GO TO THE POLLS. But they did. The Florida Primary DATE was, incidentally, MOVED UP by the completely REPUBLICAN controlled Florida Legislature --- thereby making a whole lot of trouble for the Democratic Party and the Democratic Voters in Florida. I really don't think the Democrat Party should ALLOW the Republicans to Make the Democrat Voters in Floriday and MICHIGAN Lose their Votes, nor, do I see any GOOD reason for the Democratic Party to LET the REPUBLICANS get away with that dirty trick. Next, Obama signed a pledge NOT TO CAMPAIGN in Florida, but he DID it anyway. He had TV ADS running in Florida for 2 weeks before the Florida Primary. Clinton had none. Some Democrats think the Florida & Michigan Votes/Delegates should be counted, but Obama should have NO VOTES or Delegates from the Florida Primary because HE broke the RULES. IN Michigan, Obama took his name off the ballot, and then, his campaign PAID FOR and RAN ADS and an "Operation" urging people to VOTE:
... geez, its late, can't get hold of the word: to Vote something like, UnAssigned, or UNCOMMITTED, I think that's the word.

WITH all that scheming and game-playing by the Republican Party, and, Obama regarding the Florida and Michigan Primaries -- one thing is CLEAR ... there was a lot of dirty politics involved.

The "sniper" lies (When one is very tired and has been sleep-deprived, it may be that one remembers things on a More EMOTIONAL than RATIONAL FACTUAL basis, much as, late at night one sees things more emotionally ... so that she may have been remembering her EMOTIONS and FEELINGS about the Bosnia trip --- where she was WARNED that it was dangerous, there might be sniper fire, she may have have bad dreams about it on the plane, and for years afterward ... so that in a sleep-deprived state those emotional memories/or nightmare memories came back to her... OR, she may have been embroidering the story to gain more popularity, since, the MEDIA was lying, smearing, and slandering her everyday all day long, as they had been doing for months.

and now this, where she raises the specter of assassination. (...uh...huh... just like Bill Clinton raised the...specter... of Fairytales, stated a ("racist") historical FACT: Jesse Jackson won the South Carolina Primary,... etc.)

Well, dear, for those of us old enough to remember Bobby Kennedy's assasination MENTIONING that FACT is NOT Unusual To US, we have made mention of that FACT many many times in our lives and discussed at length Bobby Kennedy, his life, what he meant to us, how much was taken from & robbed from all of us. I do not find it SURPRISING or UNUSUAL for Clinton to speak about it. Nor, do I buy Olberman/MSNBC's "outrage" over it. IF they had ANY Concern Whatsoever that some nutcase would do the deed to ... that other candidate ... because the nutcase HEARD Clinton say the words: ..."when Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in JUNE" -
---THEN they sure as .... Should NOT be giving it BLARING PUBLICITY all over the TV MEDIA for DAYS.

I could go on if you like (Pleasd do.)

Nuclear energy is clean and safe.France uses it exclusively and they reprocess rather than store the plutonium.All forms of alternative energy should be explored,and it is not a crime to make some money in the attempt to clean the environment.

Someone has mentioned in his post that the Kennedy family is seething with anger over Hillary's RFK comments. And this despite Robert Kennedy (Jr), son of late RFK, saying that "Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June......I think it is a mistake for people to take offense." If someone had to be mightily offended by Hillary's comment, it should have been Robert Kennedy (Jr), not anyone else. But the Kennedy clan, supporting BO, is giving public vent to their dislike of the Clintons. Perhaps they cannot bear the fact that their clan lost their grip on the party to the Clintons in terms of the popularity index, that they being the first Dem family for such a long time, who enjoyed the adulation for the clan, do not matter to the party supporters anymore. Do they remember how senator Kennedy treated Jimmy Carter during the convention and the innumerable scandals they were party to? Do they realize that they have lost their place in the era of new age politics, just as their protege BO condemns the old Washington style of politics, which has no place for their clan.

Concerning the assertion Obama is where he is today mainly because he is a Black Americn, I would like to suggest the following:

Hillary Clinton would NOT be where she is today if she were a Black American.

About that there is no doubt.

That assumption of race playing an important role, if it must be considered works both ways...

Two years ago I was actively encouraging people about H. Clinton's possible bid for the White House.

One year ago I still thought it an interesting idea.

Six months ago I began having doubts.

Three months ago her dishonesty and power craze became apparent.

Today I believe she may be the most vicious, manipulative politician around or is nearing a point she may be certifiably insane....

Sorry SDUndecided I did not see your post until late this evening. I hope you will be able to see this reply.

I have written a lot about this election campaign. Below are copies of two things I have written - sunnarizing, as briefly as I can, much of the information I have gathered from internet & TV over the past months since Nov. 2007:

This Presidential Election is not about skin color, or gender, or liberal vs. conservative.

Its about .... BIG MONEY --and 29 nuclear power plants.

WHY has NBC, MSNBC, CBS (& FOX & CNN) been putting out PRO-Obama/Anti-Clinton PROPAGANDA...everyday all day long - since last November?

ANSWER: Because Obama is PRO-Nuclear & he voted FOR the Cheney Energy Bill; Clinton is NOT Pro-Nuke & Voted AGAINST the Cheney Energy Bill.

GE owns NBC & MSNBC, Westinghouse owns CBS ... & Thanks to the Cheney Energy Bill they are planning to reap BILLIONS in profits (Risk-Free) from building 29 new nukes AND from 30-40 years of HIGHER ELECTRICITY RATES.

(GE & Westinghouse have been pumping $Billions of ADVERTISING dollars for all their PRODUCTS - Into Every FORM of MEDIA, for generations.)... ANY MEDIA that even MENTIONS The Cheney Energy Bill, let alone provides any real COVERAGE of one of the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES of our time ---KNOWS they would put themselves at risk of losing a lot of $$$ ADVERTISING Revenue).

Other participants in Cheney's NExt Big
MONOPOLY POWER
---ENERGY RIPoff---
Excelon Corp. of ILLINOIS, Entergy (owners of many utilities in the Southern States); 3 consortiums of nuke industry corporations.

McCain voted for the Cheney Energy Bill & has already said on the campaign trail: "I have to remember to say ... its absoultely necessary for...us...to build nuclear power plants."

Cheney, GE, Westinghouse (NBC,MSNBC,CNN,FOX,CBS ...(The TV MEDIA)... the nuke industry...Are running Obama AND McCain for President.

The only way we are going to get the NEW Clean Green ENERGY / ECONOMY we NEED is the election of Clinton to the Presidency. We cannot afford to squander hundreds of $Billions on Obsolete 70-yr old nuclear power plants.

Last week's NEWS: The governor of South Carolina is refusing to allow the Federal govt. to ship 30 tons of plutonium into South Carolina---until the Feds provide him with a written agreement that the Feds will --REMOVE-- the plutonium from South Carolina---in the event their plans to produce nuke reactor FUEL are --- unsuccessful.

The govt. wants to move 30 TONS of plutonium from the western states to South Carolina to locate it closer to the 29 nukes to be built in many of the Eastern & Southern states.

(See Map at NY Times LINK showing locations where the first 17 reactors are to be built): "Energy Bill aids Expansion of Atomic Power"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/31/washington/31nuclear.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1211360505-THF+hgbTrxetSkzjIgoiAw

(BTW a microscopic particle of plutonium, once inhaled, will kill you from lung cancer in about a week.)

Plans to build those nuclear power plants are well advanced - with licensing hearings already scheduled for the first few.

If you think nukes are ok... just
GOOGLE: Rocky Flats Denver plutonium, and, Hanford WA nuclear waste.

Sound far-fetched, to you ... The MEDIA in league with the Big Corporations (GE, Westinghouse, et al)...to Pull Off Cheney's NEXT Big Energy Ripoff...by PROMOTING a FAKE Democrat Candidate to run against, and lose to, the REPUBLICAN Candidate?
Think about it:

SAME MEDIA that helped Bush/Cheney LIE us into a WAR. SAME MEDIA that sold the American public Bush/Cheney ---- Twice.

SAME Corporations that OWN the MEDIA --- are planning to reap hundreds of BIllions in Profits --RISK FREE-- thanks to the Cheney Energy Bill which decreed that US TAXPAYERS will PAY Back any of the nuke building loans that Default.--- (WITH the Congressional Budget Office rating the risk of default at 50% or greater.)

(From a Taxpayer/Risk/ODDS point of view The Cheney Energy Bill might as well have said --- let any nuke industry company go get bank loans for 5-10 $Billion --- then go to VEGAS & Place Their Bets--and--YOU the People Will PAY BACK Every Penny they LOSE.)

No new nukes were built in the US for 30 years because, following 3 Mile Island & Chernobyl, the banks wouldn't loan the money --- too risky.

PLEASE ---Pass the Word any way you can. Since the TV "News" has become nothing but Lying PROPAGANDA, its up to We The People to get the REAL NEWS out to the public.

"Getting off coal to go nuclear is like giving up cigarettes to take up smoking crack."
________________________________________

Change Nobody can believe in

Obama's whole campaign is based on
ONE BIG LIE:
***CHANGE***
He didn't make.

OBAMA = NO Experience/ NO CHANGE

Obama claims 7 years experience in the Illinois legislature - Working Across the Aisles, Bringing people together to get good CHANGES passed -as exemplified by 26 good bills with his name on them.

A Chicago reporter says all 26 bills were passed in ONE Year and they were NOT Obama's.

http://wweek.com/editorial/3418/10516/

EXCERPTS:
But what's interesting, and almost never discussed, is that he built his entire legislative record in Illinois in a single year.

Republicans controlled the Illinois General Assembly for six years of Obama's seven-year tenure.

Then Emil Jones Jr. (became the Senate Majority leader), He became Obama's kingmaker. Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

During his seventh year in the state Senate, Obama ... sponsored a whopping 26 bills including many he now cites in his presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced.

Working Across the Aisles/
Making CHANGES = ZILCH

Taking Credit for Other People's Work/
INTEGRITY = ZERO

(Obama's book "Audacity ..." Shows:
Democrats had Majority Control of the Illinois Senate when those bills were passed. They were passed during his last year in the state Senate.)

QUOTE:
"After two terms during which I labored in the minority, Democrats had gained control of the state senate, and I had subsequently passed a slew of bills, from reforms of the Illinois death penalty system to an expansion of the state's health program for kids. I had continued to teach at the University of Chicago Law School, a job I enjoyed, and was frequently invited to speak around town."

Please Pass the Word to anyone you can.

Mr. Goldfarb, your misleading headline tells us who you are rooting for, doesn't it? I know you media folks, print and tv, are taking for Obama; but would it be asking too much if you can at least pretend to be objective and report the news!

Had it not been for the media's bias towards Obama (ignoring, dismissing or under-reporting his many gaffes, missteps and questionable ties), Hillary's RFK reference would not have been miscontrued, "analyzed" and over-played by the media. That this has been the case goes to the heart of fact that many in the print and tv media are not only shamelessly carrying water for Obama, but also hate Hillary and would do and say anything to hurt her chances - even going on deranged rants as Keith Olbermann is doing.

As for the Obama supporters, with two polls (Gallup and Rasmussen)showing McCain beating him and one (Newsweek) showing him tied with McCain, one would have thought they would stop their vicious, nasty, vile and sexist attacks on Hillary and her supporters. Unfortunately, the attacks are getting worse everyday and with every posting. My guess is, like Obama and his campign, they are living with the false hope that Hillary's supporters will rally to the party and vote for Obama in November, if he is the party's nominee. Fat chance, I say! DailyKos, TPM, Huffington Post, Keith Olbermann, etc. have to understand that a heavy price will be paid for going after another Democrat as they've done! They can kiss the support of Hillary Democrats goodbye this November and for a long time!

Jr just found your post on nuclear energy.

May I recommend that you Google: Rocky Flats Denver Plutonium.

Earlier I posted this question:

Does anybody here really believe we NEED to build gigantic structures to house hideously complex equipment TO: SPLIT ATOMS to Boil Water ... to Make STEAM?
(& produce More nuke waste)?

...WHEN we can use mirrors to focus the rays of the sun to produce enough HEAT to melt steel, or, Boil Water to Make STEAM?

Jr, I just found your Obama quotes on authorizing "the war".

As Clinton has pointed out ... authorizing the USE of Military Force --- does not mean WAR. It means military force which CAN include War ... but SANE presidents do not go to WAR ... unless they have to.

They can and do use much lesser military force ... like Bill Clinton when he bombed Saddam's homes after Saddam sent assassins to kill George Bush Sr....like Bill Clinton had missles on standby ready to kill Osama.

NONE of us knew AT THAT TIME what lying insane bastidges Bush/Cheney were.

Obama says he ... was not privy to the Senate intelligence reports. Clinton was, and was privy to the people who wrote them, BUT, Valerie Plame, and Hillary Clinton Did NOT Know Whether Saddam had WMD's, or Not, and, Most of US recognize that we Did have to find out.

Obama's attacks on Clinton are NOT motivated by any MORAL authority on his part, nor by any REAL Fault, that he percieves, on her part.

Those attacks are motivated by nothing but a campaign tactic he's using to try to win the nomination.

I remember very well: Seeing Obama's speeches on TV where he repeatedly said ... he would be taking "the high ground"; would not be doing any dirty politics' would not be making personal attacks on others; would not engage in Name Calling (That was in Jan, early Feb.)

THEN, later in Feb. there was Chris Matthews on TV ...everyday for a week... before the 1st debate that was held in Philadelphia ... screeching: He's behind in the polls. He's GOT TO ATTACK Hillary, Attack Hillary!

& it was that debate night when Obama and Edwards BEGAN their PERSONAL ATTACKS. a few days following that debate, Hillary commented when asked about the two guys attacking her ... "So, now the fun begins." A slightly sarcastic, dry, wry, humorous comment on the FACT that "the boys" had turned to negative campaigning.

The NEXT day Chris Matthews, all the boys at MSNBC ... pretending to be soooo stupid they could not recognize SARCASTIC joking about a Negative circumstance ... SAID... huff, snort ... OH! So! SHE Thinks negative campaigning is FUN! You would have to be... some kind of IDIOT to take Clinton's remark about the Boy's negative campaigning ... to mean that ... SHE was doing negative campaigning... Enjoyed Negative campaigning ... Enjoyed having the Boys start THEIR negative campaigning by making personal attacks on her.

THAT one example is TYPICAL of the Twisting, Smearing, and LYING engaged in by all hands at MSNBC --- ever since.

...>>

JR, I addressed those remarks to: quite a few people here who were alleging ... all the above. If you were among them, I was not aware of it.

& I don't believe I called anybody here racist, or typed the word racism on this blog today. If I am mistaken & I did do so, please copy and paste my words so I can see them.

...>>>

No, dear, I do not see how we CAN conclude Obama was saying ... something OTHER THAN what he said. He did not say he could not know because he did not get to read the reports. He said: "I don't know what I would have done IF I had been in the Senate...at the time." My question remains; having Said That, how is it OK; not hypocritical for him to CONDEMN Clinton for her Vote?

An analogy:
suppose you were standing in your yard, with a gun in your hand, near a neighbor's house where the neighbor's 2 year old child is sitting playing ...WHEN... a man you don't know well is chasing a dog -- a dog that is headed at full speed Toward the child ... and the man is screaming: the Dog's got RABIES! Shoot him, Shoot him before he bites the child!

And you shoot the dog. Later, the dog's owner informs you: the dog did not have rabies, he's never bitten anyone, he loves children; the dog was just running from the man because the man has kicked and beat him several times before. The man just LIED when he said the dog had rabies, was chasing him because he hates animals and screamed for you to shoot the dog because he just LIKES to see things die.

Did you do the WRONG thing? Yes. Did you do the WRONG thing, make that mistake ... because of a morally reprehensible MOTIVE, or for a worthy MOTIVE: a Desire to PROTECT the Child ...from... any POSSIBILITY of being being bitten by a rabid dog? YOU did not have the TRUTH the Whole TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH; You had to ACT With the INFORMATION you HAD in front of you at the time.

...>>>

As Clinton has said: She had ACCESS to the PEOPLE who WROTE the REPORTS, and, was thoroughly briefed by them ... given MORE information, AND, DISCUSSION with THEM ... than she could have gotten from the Reports. i.e. She did BETTER than READ the Reports ... she interviewed and discussed them with the PEOPLE who wrote them....in person with the People ... more REAL than words on paper.

You remember Valerie Plame. It was her JOB at the CIA to come up with EVIDENCE that Saddam had WMD's. As Valerie has said: She could Find NOTHING as evidence that Saddam DID have WMD's --- but that DID NOT Mean He DID NOT Have Them; that did NOT MEAN We could ASSUME he did not have them.

Clinton Could Not ASSUME he did not have them. THAT is WHY she Voted to USE MILITARY FORCE, if necessary, to FIND OUT if he had WMD's, or NOT.

That Authorization did not authorize an INVASION of IRAQ; Her Vote for the Authorization WAS NOT the CAUSE of Bush's stupidity and incompetence in ... INVADING Iraq, Nor, in CONTINUING the WAR ... long after WE FOUND OUT IF SADDAM had WMD's or Not.

...>>>

No, dear, I do not see how we CAN conclude Obama was saying ... something OTHER THAN what he said. He did not say he could not know because he did not get to read the reports. He said: "I don't know what I would have done IF I had been in the Senate...at the time." My question remains; having Said That, how is it OK; not hypocritical for him to CONDEMN Clinton for her Vote?

An analogy:
suppose you were standing in your yard, with a gun in your hand, near a neighbor's house where the neighbor's 2 year old child is sitting playing ...WHEN... a man you don't know well is chasing a dog -- a dog that is headed at full speed Toward the child ... and the man is screaming: the Dog's got RABIES! Shoot him, Shoot him before he bites the child!

And you shoot the dog. Later, the dog's owner informs you: the dog did not have rabies, he's never bitten anyone, he loves children; the dog was just running from the man because the man has kicked and beat him several times before. The man just LIED when he said the dog had rabies, was chasing him because he hates animals and screamed for you to shoot the dog because he just LIKES to see things die.

Did you do the WRONG thing? Yes. Did you do the WRONG thing, make that mistake ... because of a morally reprehensible MOTIVE, or for a worthy MOTIVE: a Desire to PROTECT the Child ...from... any POSSIBILITY of being being bitten by a rabid dog? YOU did not have the TRUTH the Whole TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH; You had to ACT With the INFORMATION you HAD in front of you at the time.

...>>>

As Clinton has said: She had ACCESS to the PEOPLE who WROTE the REPORTS, and, was thoroughly briefed by them ... given MORE information, AND, DISCUSSION with THEM ... than she could have gotten from the Reports. i.e. She did BETTER than READ the Reports ... she interviewed and discussed them with the PEOPLE who wrote them....in person with the People ... more REAL than words on paper.

You remember Valerie Plame. It was her JOB at the CIA to come up with EVIDENCE that Saddam had WMD's. As Valerie has said: She could Find NOTHING as evidence that Saddam DID have WMD's --- but that DID NOT Mean He DID NOT Have Them; that did NOT MEAN We could ASSUME he did not have them.

Clinton Could Not ASSUME he did not have them. THAT is WHY she Voted to USE MILITARY FORCE, if necessary, to FIND OUT if he had WMD's, or NOT.

That Authorization did not authorize an INVASION of IRAQ; Her Vote for the Authorization WAS NOT the CAUSE of Bush's stupidity and incompetence in ... INVADING Iraq, Nor, in CONTINUING the WAR ... long after WE FOUND OUT IF SADDAM had WMD's or Not.

Whoops, didn't mean to type in racism..

Elme,
I thought that I had responded in a rather logical fashion (see below). All I can say is I am glad we are not having this debate in person because you would be yelling at the top of your lungs.

Where is my racism? or drivel? Not sure what you are getting at here.

I can think, read and make decisions based on thoughtful discourse, it seems like you are more interested in name-calling.

For all those ... alleging ... rants, unbalanced, twisted logic, no facts ...

CAN ANY OF YOUR READ, or, THINK, or SEE?

If so, then it has to be obvious to YOU that YOU are doing xactly what you accuse me of ... while I am using FACTS, good reasoning, Links ... NONE of which have any of you made use of.

YOUR Mental Problem is the same as Obama & the MEDIA that supports him: DENIAL & Projection. Denial of REALITY and PROJECTION of you own faults and actions onto others.

WHY is it Peeps, you never ADDRESS or Discuss ANY of the FACTS or ISSUES, all you do is launch personal attacks?...just like your Obama "hero".... & all of GE's "news" people on MSNBC.

You are just Sooooo addicted to ugly hate speech, gossip, and character assassination - you just can't STOP your ridiculous, repetitive, boring, empty drivel.

So Elme, we must conclude that Obama was saying that he could not know what he would do because he did not get to see the reports but thought it was not right.

Clinton had access to the reports but didn't bother to read them so she cannot make the claim that given the evidence at the time it seemed like the right thing to do.

See the distinction?

Elme: Below are Obama's quotes

"I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don't know, what I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made for authorizing the war."

Barack Obama

"WHY is it NOT Obvious to YOU that The CHENEY Energy Bill is NOT LIKELY to be of BENEFIT to YOU, Your Country, our ENERGY situation, going GREEN, or, OUR ECONOMY?"

I agree that it is hard to vote for anything Cheney puts forth, but it is not a reason to not vote for it. For one thing the bill has more money into green energy development than ever before, so it's a start. With the current energy situation we can choose extremly dirty ways to produce energy, or we can choose cleaner ways. Unfortunately we do not have the luxury of choosing dirty energy anymore.

Nuclear power is relatively clean and can produce a lot of power in a small area and prevent tons of pollutants from entering our atmosphere. There is the threat of a nuclear disaster but over the years that threat has been minimized to almost zero (you may have noticed there hasn't been an accident for a long while now). There is the problem of nuclear waste but now we can recycle the spent fuel rods more efficiently than in the past thereby minimizing waste.

Nuclear power will also help us reduce our reliance on foreign oil.

So, dirty energy, more oil or cleaner energy, less oil, take your pick.

...Elme, may I recommend you read Obama's speech on the Iraq war during the run up, everything he said in that speech came true

Well, fine dear, I've heard the speech and its nothing better than I or many others discussing on the internet -the run up to the War --- could not have written, or did write at the time ... just as well.

NOw, dear, Mind addressing my very Direct Question: Given OBAMA's Own Words: "I don't know how I would have voted IF I had been in the Senate .." ...don't you COMPREHEND it is ABSURD, hypocritical, morally indefensible for Obama to Blame Clinton for how she voted?

PEEPS,

WHY is so hard for you to BELIEVE this election is NOT about skin color, gender, or even Liberal vs. Conservative?

WHY, after 8 Bush/Cheney YEARS is it so hard for you to believe all this DIVISION is about MONEY & POWER?

WHY is it NOT Obvious to YOU that The CHENEY Energy Bill is NOT LIKELY to be of BENEFIT to YOU, Your Country, our ENERGY situation, going GREEN, or, OUR ECONOMY?

WHY is it NOT Obvious to YOU that the MEDIA ...(SAME MEDIA-Owned by- the planned BUILDERS/Profiteers from building 29 new Nuclear Power Plants) has hundreds of Billions of $$$DOLLARS Worth of MOTIVE to: Tell you NOTHING about the Cheney Energy Bill;

SLAM, Smear, and LIE about the Clintons because Clinton Voted Against the Cheney Energy Bill AND the CHENEY Energy Ripoff will NOT happen If she is elected President.

Whereas, the Cheney ENERGY RIPOFF ... building 29 new nuclear power plants ... WILL happen IF Obama, who Voted FOR the Cheney Energy Bill, or, McCain who voted for the Cheney Energy Bill ... get elected.

I have been closely watching the campaign coverage of MSNBC & CNN, & ocassionally checking on what FOX/Republicans are up to, since last November and I KNOW beyond ANY doubt ... MSNBC & CNN's "news" coverage is so OBVIOUS extreme, absurd, even ludicruous in its BLATANT PRO-Obama/Anti-Clinton PROPAGANDA ... that there's GOT to be some REALLY BIG REASON for it.

MOTIVE: GE, Westinghouse, the nuke industry ... have been planning to build 29 new nukes - since 2005 - When The Cheney Energy Bill made it possible for them to do so: BY guaranteeing that US Taxpayers will PAY BACK any of the nuke building loans that go into default.

i.e. MOTIVE for GE, Westinghouse, the nuke industry: BIG MONEY.

OPPORTUNITY: GE --OWNS-- NBC & MSNBC. Westinghouse --OWNS-- CBS. THEY have BIG ADdertising BUCKS to INFLUENCE every form of MEDIA in the USA from Wall Street to the middle of nowhere South Dakota.

Strange, far-fetched, a rant? Nope. Just FACTS & info YOU can go GOOGLE for YOURSELF: Cheney Energy Bill (H.R. 6, of 2005) ---Rezko, Auichi, Alsammarae. Chicago Sun Times Rezko Trial Obama.

IF you want to be INFORMED Voters ... instead of DIS-INFORMED by the TV MEDIA, go READ NEWSPAPER articles all over the Internet.

Elme, may I recommend you read Obama's speech on the Iraq war during the run up, everything he said in that speech came true.

I think Sen. Clinton should have at least read the report before voting considering it has turned out to be one of the biggest foreign policy disasters in our history as a country.

and NO, I was never fooled by Bush and his cronies because I never trusted him after he stole the election but primarily I didn't believe him because of the way the run up to the war was handled.

I know it was hard, especially when you get a guy like Colin Powel up there to make the case but something told me there was something not right about this whole thing so NO I was never for the war.

Oh, and try to calm down a bit, you sound out of balance and it weakens your case.

...>>>I don't think Hillary or Bill are real racists, only when it is politically expedient for them to be so....>>>

When a crime is alleged to have been committed - the police look for:

A. A Motive
B. Opportunity

WHAT, exactly, do YOU See as the Clinton's MOTIVE for their allegedly racist WORDS?

and ... please IDENTIFY their OPPORTUNITY/S to use racism to their BENEFIT ... because it was ... politically expedient.

You know what is bothering me about the passionate (to be politically correct) Clinton supporters is that I am reading a lot of very strong statements, but there don't seem to be any facts to back them up. Lots of wild accusations, but no evidence to support their arguments, and when they get challenged they gravitate to blame-shifting and name calling rather than thoughtful discourse.

What's up with that anyway?

... & those OBAMA quotes: "i don't know how I would have voted on it, IF, I had been in the Senate at the time", and, later on, after the war had been going on for awhile: "My position on the war would be about the same as Bush's"

...WHAT, exactly, do Obama's words on the subject MEAN to YOU?

WERE YOU in favor of the IRaq WAR --- WHEN Bush first INVADED?, or Not? Do you REMEMBER that MOST Americans WERE in favor of that invasion? Do you recall that Bush had a VERY High approval rating at the time?

With YOURSELF, NOT KNOWING, at that time -----Whether Saddam HAD WMD's, or NOT ... how do YOU think our Congresspeople should have VOTED? WITH REPUBLICANS in Complete Control of BOTH Houses of Congress AT THE TIME do YOU think Clinton Could Have STOPPED Bush from going to War - If she had Voted differently?

Since SHE did not KNOW whether Saddam had WMD's or NOT; should she have VOTED to DO NOTHING, Take NO further Steps to FIND OUT, Voted NO on ... the use of military force/(NOT Invasion) if necessary, TO FIND OUT?

Obama/The MEDIA are distorting, over-simplifying, lying, and hypocritically CLAIMING Obama's POSITION to be what it WAS NOT; consistently against the War from the day he made his first speech about it to an Ultra-liberal Anti-War crowd...& just ignoring Obama's later statements about HIS Position.

"I don't know how I would have Voted". THAT being said - it is utter hypocricy for him to BLAME her for her vote.

I don't think Hillary or Bill are real racists, only when it is politically expedient for them to be so.

elme your rants make think you are a bit unbalanced. I understand your passion but you are not helping your case by just ranting and not defending your positions. have you not noticed other posters are asking you questions about your statements? why are you not defending yourself?

Elme: your twisted and demented logic matches that of Hillary's no wonder you are so devoted. Kindred souls with no morals or scruples have found each other.

The woman is clearly a sociopath. Nothing is ever her fault and she takes responsibility for nothing.

She says she wants to stay in to unify the country. How will she accomplish that when she claims that men hate her, the media hates her, the educated hate her, latte drinkers hate her, caucus states hates her, Hawaii hates her, Oregon hates, Washington hates her, moveon.org hates her, activitists hate her. she has decried victim and martyr, sexism and favoritism... some uniter she is.

And once again, Obama is to blame for her choice of words, that she has repeated on more than one occasion - Hillary patience with you and your sharks is wearing thin.

Exit now while you still have a chance to salvage your political life... because even your new york base is getting sick of you.

"...SAME MEDIA that DID NOT Sell ME the Iraq War."

But apparently sold it to Sen. Clinton who did not even read the report before voting on it.

Lazy and gullible, afraid to go against the grain because it wasn't politically expedient. That is part of the reason why she is losing, or dare I say it, has lost.

Let's all stop talking out the sides of our nexts and trying to make excuses for Hillary. She is a racist NUT case and what she said about Obama being assasinated is not the 1st time. Everyone has already seen her polarizing self for what she really is and hopefully she'll get thrown out of the senate sooner than later. She has been wishing that Obama gets assasinated because she is embarrassed that he toppled the Cinton Machine without a warning. But what's really funny is that Hillary and Bill need to really be careful about wishing something so horrible on someone, especially the next POTUS. What Hillary wants to happen to Obama may just end up happening to her. You never know what she and Bill have promised those crooks that have given millions of dollars to Bill's library. Based on Hillary's desperation, it seems like she and Bill have promisted the crooks something if she became the President. I can't wait until Obama raps this mess up and Hillar goes away some where. She's toxic.

... ...>>>

Talking out of both sides of his ...mouth ... -Obama PUBLICLY says: Its time to just drop it...while his campaign is busy emailing out a LINK to Keith Olbermann's "Special Comment" ... wherein Keith says its just UNFORGIVEABLE for her to have Spoken THAT WORD, in ANY circumstances, along with a really long boring UGLY Anti-Clinton TIRADE.

How much more UNFORGIVEABLE is it then, for Olbermann & All of MSNBC to BLAST it all over the world for the past 4 days ... giving it Blaring PUBLICITY...a circumstance...that MUST QUALIFY for Keith's own...judgment...UNFORGIVEABLE in ---ANY-- CIRCUMSTANCES.

So ...horrible for Clinton to MENTION the WORD ... in a small newspaper office ... in Sioux Falls South Dakota! So horrible for HER to Mention that WORD ... without MAKING ANY MENTION or reference whatsoever to Obama ... NOPE --- it was KEITH and MSNBC who just HAD to do that, over & over & over ... for DAYS....ON TV.

The MEDIA have taken "political correctness" to such an absurd EXTREME it will soon be impossible for ANY of US to SPEAK, at all, --- without being ACCUSEd of "racism", or, WHATEVER any idiotic unprincipled MORON wants to TURN OUR Words INTO.

Can't say "Fairytale" anymore --- because ohooohh that's racist. (Can't speak historical FACTS anymore ... LBJ got the civil right legislation passed, Jesse Jackson won the South Carolina Primary, The primary campaign was still going on in JUNE when Bobby Kennedy was assassinated --- because ohhohhhh that's racist, or ohhhohh that's saying she's ..hoping..

WHERE then was all this OUTRAGE, WHEN, a reporter asked Michelle, on a televised interview ... IF she worries about Obama getting shot/ASSASSINATED? OH MY GOD, the man actually uttered BOTH concepts/words!

Where was the OUTRAGE when Michelle Actually ANSWERED the question ... instead of throwing a hissy fit at very IDEA?

Curiously ... the TV MEDIA ...parses... every WORD Clinton says ... looking for ... SOMETHING ELSE to make it INTO; But FAILS to even MENTION Sensational REAL & serious BAD News about Obama....like, a prosecution witness testified last week that Obama and Michelle did attend a party at Rezko's home with Auichi as the guest of honor. (Obama has previously said - he doesn't remember meeting Auichi. Pretty hard to BELIEVE ... since Auichi is a billionaire, was the guest of honor at Rezko's home party, and has been Rezko's friend for all of the years that Obama has known Rezko....20 years.)

Obama is the DIRTY campaigner. The only reason you don't know that is because you have not seen enough of the MEDIA coverage since last November ... to have SEEN it as it DEVELOPED, with the LYING MEDIA covering up Obama's dirty campaigning while ... with NO Justification whatsoever ...BLAMING Clinton ...instead.

CLUE: Its about MONEY, BIG MONEY; BIG Corporations CONTROLLING THEIR wholly-OWNED MEDIA & our Govt, with THEIR Media Enabling them to do it, by FEEDING you LYING PROPAGANDA.

SAME MEDIA that Sold YOU the Iraq War. SAME MEDIA that Sold YOU Bush/Cheney TWICE.

SAME MEDIA that DID NOT Sell ME Bush/Cheney even ONCE. SAME MEDIA that DID NOT Sell ME the Iraq War.

Now I'm convinced she's crazy. I've been trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but once again she not only can't say the words "I'm sorry" or "I made a mistake" - she's actually blaming person most offended who not only didn't make a big deal out of it but has been trying to minimize it.

Its dangerous to believe you're own b.s. We have a president who's shared that delusion for too long.

We don't need another.

"...never ceases to take advantage of the modern day nuclear option when his campaign cries racism."
David

I have heard others say this but I have never heard Obama or his campaign staff make this claim, can you give me an example?

I won't defend Clinton's comments. I don't, however, believe that she is holding out in the hopes that Obama will be assassinated. It was unfortunate, but the Obama campaign no doubt will turn this to their advantage. This multi-racial man, raised and educated by whites never ceases to take advantage of the modern day nuclear option when his campaign cries racism.

I am Hispanic, so I don't feel the overwhelming guilt of slavery. I have lived, attended schools, and worked with both blacks and whites. I have witnessed the subtle racism of whites and the overt racism of blacks. So, I don't feel I owe anything to Obama except a fair hearing. I find his campaign message and his speeches unbelievable. I cannot support him because of his inexperience and his indefensible linking of the other candidates with GW Bush. Obama is the most cynical and opportunistic politician I have ever witnessed.

Nobody is listening to their own candidates and over-reacting.

Hillary screwed up, but not how people are saying.

Obama said it was a mistake and he takes her at her word.

What's the problem, or do our strong emotions for our candidates make us react so forcefully and amplify the situation?

I still think she shouldn't have tried to turn it on him, especially after his gracious remarks.

Clinton made the comment knowingly and now tries to backtrack--but that is characteristic of Billary and Slick Willie. What is so uncomfortable are the comments from the racists/bigots regarding Obama. I would hope that this country would be getting past that but, so sadly, we aren't. Where do these people come from? There is real danger for Obama from the looney-tunes sneaking around, especially those with limited sense and morals.

RE: Rafael PR51

Read the article written by Michael Goodwin--if you can read. And please use decent language for the readers: The world is reading what you just wrote here.

"No. They will not. Obama and his TV MEDIA have been too dirty, too insane, TOO INSULTING to the INTELLIGENCE of the American People --- most of US will not vote for him."

Hi, I am an undecided voter in South Dakota. I've been reading these postings and was wondering what you meant by the above comments, could you please explain them to me because I just recently started paying attention. I like Clinton but I've also heard some good things about Obama, not sure who to vote for so I'm trying to get as much info as possible before I vote.

Thanks

Elme, tell me "specifically" how you feel about Sen. Clinton's behavior in this race>

Tell me how you feel about "the kitchen sink"
The racists remarks
The pandering to republicans (John McCain would make a better President)
The NAFTA lies
The Foreign Policy experience lies
The signing off on Florida and Mich. and then trying to change the rules in a flawed election.
The "sniper" lies
and now this, where she raises the specter of assassination.

I could go on if you like .

"The First thing that doesn't ADD Up is: WHY is this man in this race?"
Aussie2000

Because this is America, not Russia where people are appointed. And he is winning because people are voting for him and he and his team were smart enough to plan for a NATIONAL election and gain enough delegates to the point where Clinton could not catch him.

And, he has acted like a gentleman while Clinton has behaved horribly playing every dirty trick she possibly could.

...I again "Can't believe" this wicked witch of the west. She makes what is possibly the most offensive remark ever made in a political primary race, gives a half-assed apology to the Kennedy's ...

Since you obviously can't Think for yourself, I am wondering how you can possibly manage to TYPE.

BE SPECIFIC in your criticisms of Clinton, or shut up. Calling her NAMES & making vague nebulous ... accusations ... while employing character assassination --- is frowned upon by SANE Decent People.

"The last two political assassinations were Benzir Bhutto in Pakistan by a man!! and Anna Lindh in Stockholm by a man"
Aussie2000

So naturally this means an Obama supporter is going to go after Clinton?, my how "sexist of you"

Two things-
Clinton is losing
Clinton is the one referencing assassinations.

One more thing, I've notice that your screen name is Aussie2000, does this mean you are Australian?, because if so IT IS NONE OF YOU GD BUSINESS SO SHUT THE *UCK UP!

A wolf in sheep skins. He will lead many many astray as he has. But what will be his credentials. He will not have any. Sound familiar?

HE'S GOT THE MATH.

The Problem with that is -
its MATH FOR MORONS

Things that don't ADD Up:

The First thing that doesn't ADD Up is: WHY is this man in this race?

The Democratic Party started out this campaign season with a near certainty of WINNING the Presidency. Nationwide Polls consistently showed that 60+ percent of the People stood ready, willing, and eager to elect Clinton President.

So, WHY did the Democrat Party "Leadership", Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry...,et al--DECIDE to back a SECOND Candidate for President?

---When--- anybody with a functioning brain must RECOGNIZE -running TWO candidates -WILL- DIVIDE the Democratic Party. (& its real hard to think of any BETTER WAY to DIVIDE the Democratic Party than -running a black man against a white woman.)

IN FACT, its the SAME Strategy --Republicans-- always use for winning elections: DIVIDE and CONQUER. (How else is a very small minority of extremely wealthy going to Control a much larger majority)?

The Republicans have historically used scapegoats to DIVIDE, by class, color, religion; (its those welfare cheats, welfare mothers, lazy poor people, black people, gays, secular ungodly people, liberals)--who are THE Problem/ The ENEMY
---VOTE Republican and
VOTE AGAINST...THEM.)

In order To back Obama for President Those Democratic Party Leaders Must be:

Unbelievably STUPID; a bunch of LOSERS who don't care if they lose; have something PERSONALLY to gain; or, are Sell-Outs to the other side.

WHO wants Obama to be the Nominee? Some Democratic Party "Leaders", and, the Republicans. When the campaign season starts out with---No discernable difference---between MSNBC & FOX; when all the "newspeople" on both Networks are spending all day everyday incessantly babbling Obama's praises (he's fabulous, he's wonderful, he's a rock star, he's so inspiring, such a good speaker)...then it's obvious the Republican Party wants to "Nominate" Obama as the Democrat candidate for President.

The question is: WHY do they BOTH --- Some Democrat "leaders" AND the Republican Party -- want Obama to get the Nomination?

In the case of FOX & the Republican Party its obvious -they want Obama to be the "Democrat" candidate because they believe he will lose to McCain.

There's plenty of REAL News about Obama, IN THE NEWSPAPERS, to Provide the Republicans with AMPLE Cause for that belief.

A. Obama's OTHER prominent 20 year "friendship" --- Rezko.

Given a 4-year FBI investigation of bribes, kickbacks, extortion, money laundering and fraud --involving multi-dozens of Illinois politicans at every level of government; with Rezko's "equal opportunity" political corruption stretching from local, state, national, and international Republican and Democrat govt. officials --- it would indeed be miraculous IF the FBI did not HAVE THE GOODS on .... someone so enmeshed with all the PLAYERS and POLITICS, and money involved in that corrruption; someone so ...connected ... to all those ...connections, as Mr. Obama.

B. IF and WHEN the TV MEDIA ...gets around to... reporting this NEWSPAPER News about Obama: [ He's not just in-experienced at the National Political Level --- His whole campaign is based on ONE BIG LIE : CHANGE ... he never made while in the Illinois Senate ]
http://wweek.com/editorial/3418/10516/
...he will lose most of his remaining supporters.

C. He's already lost too many VOTERS to get elected. The TV MEDIA ADMITS ... "he's got a lot of work to do" ... TRYING ... to get older women, white working class people, jewish people, hispanics, to VOTE for him ---- but the TV MEDIA FAILS to ADMIT --- Obama already appears to be Un-electable and cannot withstand ANY bad news coming out about him; Clinton is by far the strongest Candidate. The TV MEDIA continues to PROCLAIM Obama the nominee.

The MORON MATH:

"HE'S GOT THE MOST PLEDGED DELEGATES"

Uh, huh, ...and... IF That actually bore any Relationship to the Actual Number of People who went to the polls and VOTED for him .... then, that might be a real good POINT; good argument in his favor.

However, Since, the number of Pledged Delegates DOES NOT bear any correlation with the Actual NUMBER of VOTES he actually got; nor does it serve as any INDICATION of the NUMBER of VOTES he might reasonably ANTICIPATE getting in the General Election --- the NUMBER of PLEDGED Delegates is POINTLESS; of NO Import; provides NO Guidance ... in the matter of: ELECTABILITY.

THE REAL MATH:

"Clinton is ahead in the POPULAR VOTE only IF you COUNT Florida and Michigan ... and, you CAN'T Count Florida and Michigan.

Mathmatically, ABSTRACTLY, IF you CAN'T count Florida and Michigan, then, Clinton did not get the most Popular Vote.

In the REAL World tho, Real People did go to Real Polls and cast REAL VOTES. IN THE REAL World... those are REAL numbers you CAN Count. In The REAL WORLD CLINTON IS AHEAD IN THE POPULAR VOTE --- which DOES provide Guidance in the Matter of: ELECTABILITY.

THE *****REAL***** MATH QUESTION IS:

DO WE NOMINATE THE PERSON WHO HAS THE REAL VOTES, or, nominate the person who makes an ABSTRACT, "case" for being the nominee? ... are ABSTRACT "voters", or, REAL VOTERS going to turn out at the Polls in November?

The MEDIA continues to PROCLAIM the party will be unified, and those Clinton voters will Vote for Obama.

No. They will not. Obama and his TV MEDIA have been too dirty, too insane, TOO INSULTING to the INTELLIGENCE of the American People --- most of US will not vote for him.

WHAT are we going to do then, Vote for McCain or just sit at home?

No. It's not an either/or proposition.

WE can VOTE for Ralph Nader.

(If enough ex-Republicans Vote for Bob Barr & Ron Paul, and enough ex-Democrats VOTE for Ralph Nader, then perhaps the TV MEDIA will have managed to accomplish the seemingly impossible --- electing Ralph Nader President.)

BTW: The REASON the TV MEDIA has been pushing PRO-Obama/Anti-Clinton LYING PROPAGANDA since last November is: GE owns MSNBC & NBC. Westinghouse owns CBS. & Thanks To THE CHENEY Energy Bill (H.R. 6) GE, Westinghouse, the nuke industry are planning to build 29 new nuclear power plants...to reap $Hundreds of $$BILLIONS in (RISK-FREE) profits from building the nukes, and, from 30-40 years of Higher Electricity Rates.

McCain Voted FOR the Cheney Energy Bill, and those nukes will get built if he is elected. Obama Voted FOR the Cheney Energy Bill and those nukes will get built if he is elected.

Clinton Voted AGAINST the Cheney Energy Bill and those nukes will not get built if Clinton is elected President.

i.e. VOTE McCain or Obama AND HELP CHENEY pull off his NEXt Big Energy RIPOFF.

"Getting off coal to go nuclear is like giving up cigarettes to take up smoking crack." ... & will be just about as "good" for the economy.

I again "Can't believe" this wicked witch of the west. She makes what is possibly the most offensive remark ever made in a political primary race, gives a half-assed apology to the Kennedy's (not to Obama) then Obama has the decency to throw her a rope and then she tries to throw him under the bus after she's pulled to shore.

Now it's time to stop playing games, Obama, don't play nice with this poisonous *itch.

Obama and his supporters are nuts. One of them is more likely to go after Hillary if she stays in the race. The last two political assassinations were Benzir Bhutto in Pakistan by a man!! and Anna Lindh in Stockholm by a man. If she wanted to talk about assassination, these are the two political assassination she should have mentioned. Many men can deal with a minority man leader than they can with a women leader. It was the same with the right to vote, where American black, white, Asian, Hispanic an Native American Indian women did not get the right to vote with Black men, even though they fought in the trenches with them for universal suffrage, only to be disenfranchised and denied the right to vote, when the Black men made one of their dirty deals to deny women the right to vote. This is happening once again where the DNC Insiders have made a deal with Obama and his supporters to disenfranchise the millions of Michigan and Florida voters who have voted overwhelmingly for Hillary. So let us not allow what happened to Susan B. Anthony, to happen to Hillary R. Clinton. Let the DNC Insiders and Super Delegates choose Obama as their candidate.

Hillary is the American People's candidate. The DNC Insiders have their candidate: Obama. The RNC Insiders have their candidate: McCain.

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