The Clickocracy
Online, It's Target Clinton
By Jose Antonio Vargas
From the outset, as she sat on a couch and announced her candidacy via online video, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has had a complicated relationship to the Internet and, in comparison to her chief rival, a consistently losing Web presence.
The tone was set early, with the appearance of the "Vote Different" YouTube, the now infamous mash-up of the "1984" Apple computers Super Bowl commercial that took Clinton's own words -- "Let the conversation begin" -- and, in 74 seconds, presented her as the droning, robotic voice of the establishment, an Orwellian Big Sister. That video, created by an Obama supporter, has been viewed nearly 5.2 million times since it was uploaded in March 2006.
Nearly a year later, in a speech on St. Patrick's Day, Clinton spoke of "landing under sniper fire" when she arrived in Bosnia in 1996. Clinton's account was swiftly disproven by photos, eyewitness reports and video footage; The Post's Fact Checker gave her Four Pinocchios. But more than that, type "Clinton" and "Bosnia" on YouTube and some 675 videos have been uploaded, most of them negative. "Way to go, Hillary Clinton. You lied. You lied in front of millions and millions of people," one YouTube user said in a video.
And on Friday, with the headlong speed characteristic of the Web -- and in a manner that quickly divorced Clinton's words from their context -- her remarks to the editorial board of the Argus Leader in Sioux, S.D., took on a life of their own.
The comments were picked up by the NYPost.com and posted on Drudge.com, a must-read site for reporters and other news junkies, and subsequently spread like viral wildfire to other blogs. The NYPost.com initially reported that Clinton, in describing past protracted primaries, including the 1968 primary in which Sen. Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated, made "an odd comparison between the dead candidate and Barack Obama."
No such "odd comparison" was made, according to video footage and a transcript of the editorial board interview. Kennedy's son, a Clinton supporter, issued a statement saying that he saw nothing wrong with Clinton's remarks; the Argus Leader issued its own statement, noting that her mention of the assassination "appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself." It also turns out that two months ago, Clinton made similar remarks to Time magazine.
But the die, it seems, had been cast. Never mind Clinton's swift apology, also on video, and her letter to the New York Daily News yesterday explaining why she's staying in the race. Online, judging by countless blog postings and comments on YouTube, Clinton was again on the defensive, the ripe and ready target of blistering criticism.
The Web, after all, is fueled by people -- loud, engaged, partisan people. And those online partisans have been better organized by and are more likely to self-organize to support Obama. Not only has Clinton been unable to top Obama in formal online metrics -- he beats her in money raised online, number of supporters on MySpace and Facebook and number of views on a YouTube channel -- she has continued to be the targeted Democratic candidate on the Internet when it comes to the actions of self-organizing swarms.
It was true last fall, when Clinton was deemed the front-runner for the nomination.
And it's been true during this Memorial Day weekend.
This is the fourth in a series of online columns on our growing "clickocracy," in which we are one nation under Google, with e-mail and video for all. Please send suggestions, comments and tips to vargasj-at-washpost-dot-com.
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse
"falsely accused of using the BIG "A" word!"
So, now she didn't say assassinated?
Better have your hearing aid checked.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse
Amber, You would think someone with a porn star name would have learned something about not stereotyping people.
College student...RIGHT
AMBER LOVES STEREOTYPES
AMBER = PORN STAR
Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse
Someone has released a copy of Hillary Clinton's bedtime prayer. Here it is:
"Now I lay me down to sleep;
I pray the Lord my soul to keep.
Keep me safe through all the drama -
Just let someone shoot Obama."
Posted by: Biographer | May 28, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse
You folks who obviously know nothing about politics but choose to interject your opinions anyway need to turn off your computer or get away from the keyboard.
The only reason Obama is in the position he is in right now is because of 90% of the black population, the nutty left-wing bloggers, and because the college kids think he's "cool". They seem to think they are voting for the next American Idol, not the next American President. Its shameful and we all will suffer because of their unknowledgeable, shallow, inexperienced votes.
BTW...I'm a college student myself but I, for one, know better that to fall for the hooplah surrounding "Barack Star" Obama. (Hmm.."Barack Star"...that says it all, doesn't it).
Posted by: Amber | May 28, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse
How in the heck can any Democrat even think of vote recount after Hilary excepted the rules as did the party Leaders. You poor people are in deep trouble. Split the votes 50 50 and let the Clintons except the truth that they preach, "NOT". God Bless you America. Hope you come to your senses. Give Hilary a spot on Desperate house wives and call it even. Its time for change, the world needs change to, you must all no that. Obama, 2008 for Mankind.
Posted by: justada55+ | May 28, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse
Absolutely right, the bloggers have a voice, never there in 92', 96'. Voter's, domestic and globally, can vent, say how they feel, discuss their take on candidate's. The Clinton's, to their disadvantage, never seen it coming.
The outrage on Friday, the assasination comment, was blogged so much, went beyond expectations for each thread on a blog site. Huffpost had 20,000 posts Friday alone, many more saturday. I checked so many media sources, they were overloaded. I think this is great. The comments were actually very negative toward Clinton, so much some bloggers stating 'how it's making them ill' by her staying in race for the fear of something happening. This has been a pattern during each primary when the Clinton's incite race, 'bitter' comment's, or 'well, he hasn't stolen a car yet' by Bill Clinton. I think as the blogs show, they do not want another Clinton scandal WH. I also fear this, especially when it's such drama all the time for them....they are not going to stop creating scandel therefore, put off the peoples business for another 8 yrs, as it did the Clinton yrs previous. I happen to be one of those people who think either Clinton is capable of 'hitman' hiring.
Posted by: canadagirl | May 27, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse
The Party leaders need to show some courage before the Clintons incite even more hate and rage. Bill and Hill are openly revolting against the DNC rules and the delegates by insisting that Hillary was mistreated, etc. They are now running for 2012, and will do anything to destroy Obama 2008 campaign. Including what Hillary spoke of, the real nuclear option, which will clear her path to the White House once and for all.
Posted by: lyn's | May 27, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse
No-name said:
"SO, WHERE'S THE REST OF THE QUOTE OPEN MINDED LOVER OF FACTS? I'M WAITING... "
And I replied. So then, do you just post in order to name-call with impunity?
Posted by: Billw | May 27, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse
Would you be less likely to vote for John McCain knowing that he has fathered an illegitimate black child?
Posted by: Karl Rove | May 27, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse
Hillary isn't a "victim" here. Or elsewhere. And, as she herself has said MANY times, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
And, most of the time it seems to me, she the one who turns up the heat on HERSELF.
The "clickocracy" has spoken on Sen. Clinton's candidacy. Truly well informed American voters have rejected her in overwhelming majorities.
Virtually (pun intended) everywhere...
Posted by: Carmen Cameron | May 27, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse
ORIGINS OF ASSASSINATION LANGUAGE WHERE OBAMA'S NAME IS MENTIONED:
We have the Internet, folks, so do a little research before you spout off!
_____________________
IN DECEMBER 0f 2006:
Chicago Sun-Times
December 29, 2006
After Interview with Michelle Obama
Title:Should Barack Obama run?
To Michelle Obama: From one mom to another
A letter writer (Erin Vest) tells Michelle:
"I wonder how on earth you and your family will make this decision. ... It
could well mean the word no one wants to say: 'assassination.'"
_________
and then, a few months later:
Chicago Sun-Times, May 2007
Sweet column: Obama getting Secret Service protection.
SIMI VALLEY, CALIF. -- Early last Friday morning, Democratic White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), dressed in a T-shirt and sweat pants, entered an elevator in a Columbia, S.C., hotel heading toward the fitness center.
With him were two men in suits, employees of Global Security Services LLC, the private Severna Park, Md., firm hired by Obama's campaign to provide him with security.
On Thursday, the security around Obama was elevated to a much higher level, with Obama placed under the full-time protection of the Secret Service, confirmed agency spokesman Eric Zahren.
Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said he got the ball rolling for Obama to get a Secret Service detail after hearing of some "evidence" -- Durbin declined to specify -- that he said was "worrisome."
Several sources said there was not a single incident or specific threat that triggered the request.
Obama's family has been nervous about his safety for some time and Obama talked openly about the concerns of his wife, Michelle, during an interview with the Chicago Sun-Times editorial board last December.
"Being shot, obviously, that is the least-attractive option," Obama said then.
The Secret Service detail was authorized by Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff after the recommendation of a panel
made up of the top House and Senate GOP and Democratic leaders.
Durbin, the assistant majority leader, said he approached Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) several weeks ago
about getting a Secret Service detail for Obama.
Obama, if elected, would be the first black president. Durbin said "the sad reality" in America is "that many times, an African-American candidate is more vulnerable."
Last year, Obama's half-sister Auma told Elle magazine, "There are crazy people in America as well, with crazy ideas. And at the end of the day, what matters is that he's a black man. The history of America is quite violent."
With the first primary and caucus votes not taking place until January, the Secret Service protection for Obama is coming at the earliest stage since the Secret Service started being responsible for guarding candidates in 1968.
_________________________
The May 2007 Secret Service story of May 2007 was covered by all national media...YES, including the ones who are NOW letting Hillary Clinton being falsely accused of using the BIG "A" word!
Media reporters, please research your stories.....American voters, do the same, please...stop the hypes!
Posted by: Steve | May 27, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse
In a season of low points for Hillary Clinton, this weekend was one of the lowest. That people took great offense at Senator Clinton's comments should surprise no one.
Clinton insists that she was merely making an (inapt) comparison between her continued candidacy and that of Bobby Kennedy, who campaigned into June 1968 (before he was shot). She was talking about the timeline, Clinton and her surrogates insist, and the assassination was incidental to that point (even though it was the only thing about Kennedy she mentioned).
Clinton later "apologized" if her comments might have offended the Kennedy family (which, she added, they did not). She also decried what she depicted as the efforts of "some" to take her comments "out of context."
As tasteless as the initial reference was, her non-apology was even more outrageous. Many Americans--particularly African Americans--have had serious concerns about Obama's personal security since the outset of this campaign. She may not have cited Kennedy to imply that she's staying in the race in case because a similar fate might befall her rival. But one does not have to "twist" her words to reach that chilling conclusion.
Senator Clinton had (and still has) an obligation to own up for comments that could easily be construed as implying the unthinkable.
Posted by: Justin from VA | May 27, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse
To carmMc:
SNOPES.COM?!?
RUMOR HAS IT?!?
Are you serious?
You'd be better off citing quotes from the National Enquirer, they'd be more accurate than this crap!
Posted by: pfondiller | May 27, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse
bruce becker:
The 5-page report may indeed be a whitewash -- I am not a medical doctor, so I don't know -- but medical doctors hired by the press have reviewed the RECORDS, so why haven't they reported on the alleged whitewash? Again, I will ask: where are you getting your information? Is it the same web site as those crazy 9/11 conspiracies?
Posted by: JakeD | May 27, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse
I read the "MCCain real age" url as requested.
There is not one word about testing for Alzheimer's and not one word about short term memory loss.
The medical report is a whitewash.
Posted by: bruce becker | May 27, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse
I see that the facts of the Princeton admission system are making a Clinton supporter claim and pretend the Ivy league is not prejudiced as an attack upon Mrs Obama.
The Ivy league began the use of the point system for people whose parents went there, in part because Jews were beating the pants off the whites on the SAT's. Jews, like me, were taught in school, along with the millions of you whites, that we are a different race. Semites. Go back and see the map in your 8th grade social studies book. Arabs and Jews, referred to as Semites.
We were not allowed into white hotels until the civil rights act of '64.
That's why the Catskills have the Jewish summer retreats. So stop pretending that the Ivy league is even handed to blacks, as a criticism of Mrs Obama's paper about Ivy prejudice.
It is a white bastion run by and for whites. They tolerate a few blacks and Jews, barely.
They dont allow their children to date blacks or Jews, they dont want them in their clubs. See if you can nominate a Jew or black to be in the Augusta "National" golf club.
Stop claiming and even asking us to join you in pretending that Mrs Obama is out of order for noticing that the emperor is stark naked.
Posted by: bruce becker | May 27, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse
bruce becker:
Where are you getting your information? Several medical doctors reviewed McCain's records -- including Dr. Jon LaPook for CBS News -- here's another medical doctor reviewing those records to determine McCain's "real age":
Posted by: JakeD | May 27, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse
to the unnamed poster who suggests that John McCain is a candidate worthy of consideration because he may have been anally raped while in prison, please answer this:
1. Why does a former war prisoner approve the use of waterboard torture of our prisoners? Waterboarding is a form of requiring a person to testify against themselves. It is specifically forbidden in our Constitution.
Why is is ok for a person who swore an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, to undermine our Constitution on the weak pretext that we may have to find something out using torture. Did you know that England used torture before our revolution, and that is why our forefathers forbade its use? People will say ANYTHING to keep from being tortured. The intelligence is not trustworthy.
So at the bottom of it, we have a former prisoner approving the use of torture against other prisoners. Why is this choice on his part to support the use of torture not unseemly, unmanly even? How can you support such a person at all?
2. If we dont follow the Geneva convention, why should our enemies?
Thank you, for your considered reply.
Posted by: bruce becker | May 27, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse
McCain can have all the experience in the world - but if he's suicidal, suffering from PTSD, carrying emotional baggage from being raped, has the slightest bit of Alzheimers - it won't make a difference.
He'll start WWIII one minute and not remember it the next .
Posted by: Jocelyn | May 27, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse
From SNOPES.COM
Can ANYONE imagine THIS woman being the "First Lady" of our wonderful country?
In her senior thesis at Princeton, Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Oba ma stated that America was a nation founded on"crime and hatred." Moreover, she stated that whites in America were "ineradicably racist". The 1985 thesis,titled "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community" was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.
Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to "Whites at Princeton , it often seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first..." However, it was reported by a fellow black classmate, "If those "Whites at Princeton" really saw Michelle as one who always would "be Black first," it seems that she gave them that & ;nbs p; ;impression".
Most alarming is Michele Obama's use of the terms "separationist" and "integrationist" when describing the views of black people.
Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a "separationist" view of race.
"By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolutionas opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight."
Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her "further integration a nd/ or a ssimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant."
Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.
Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America, but she elevates black over white in her world.
Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning:
"There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will ut iliz e all of my pres ent and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost. "
What is Michelle Obama planning to do with her future resources if she's first lady that will elevate black over white inAmerica ?
The following passage appears to be a call to arms for affirmative action policies that could be the hallmark of an Obama administration.
"Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of their enrollments."
The conclusion of her thesis is alarming.
Michelle Obama's poll of black alumni concludes that other black students at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than celebrate, she is horri fi ed that black alumni identify with our common American culture more than they value the color of their skin. "I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility."
Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire? Only 89 students responded out of 400 who were asked for input.
Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see Americans. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted with one another.
The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama's thoughts and world view seen through a race-based prism. This is a very divisive view for a potential first lady that would do untold damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Obama administration.
Michelle Obama's intellectually refined racism should give all Americans pause for deep concern.
Now maybe she's changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to grind with America . Will the press let Michelle get a free pass ov er her obviously racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will.
PS: We paid for her scholarship.
Posted by: CarmMc | May 27, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse
to the independents who have yet to really decide:
Ask the McCain campaign to complete his medical testing.
The results provided this past week have no tests for short term memory and no test was done to determine "incipient" Alzheimer's.
The medical report was a whitewash, and no MD's were allowed to see it at all.
Please, independents, write to McCain and ask for the full complete truth on his short term memory as compared to naval aviators *not to 71 yr olds, and possible Alzheimer's. Comparing him to other 71 yr olds is irrelevant.
Did you know that 13% of persons over 65 have Alzheimer's?
Thank you.
Posted by: bruce becker | May 27, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse
Actually - I am an Obama supporter who understands how to use 'Twitter' and watch this space throughout the day for its entertainment purposes.
Oh, and I run a business with 12 employees.
Thanks for stereotyping though. It's an impressive thing, watching demographics push back against comments like 'bitter' when they are applied by outsiders - but reinforce such labels with their own behavior.
Like mice in cage.
Posted by: James Laughlin, CA | May 27, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse
DickeyFuller:
Unfortunately, if he wins the Dem nomination, Barack HUSSEIN Obama does indeed have a chance of being elected -- I don't think it's a big chance either, but I wouldn't go as far as saying he's completely "unelectable". Have you seen these Electoral College maps?
Posted by: JakeD | May 27, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse
Anonymous:
Thankfully, you are not running for President.
Posted by: JakeD | May 27, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse
~
Keep in mind that it is the young people and college students who have the time to spend all day typing on the internet.
That's why so much of the internet conversation is vile Clinton bashing and overt Obama loving.
Clinton's supporters are too busy working 2 jobs to pay the bills.
To the Obama cult: Have a fun summer 'blogging.
Then enjoy your McCain presidency because Obama is not electable.
~
Posted by: DickeyFuller | May 27, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse
if i was raped forty years ago and had to relive it through the press again, i might become suicidal. i'm sure being a man, who was captive, and forced anal sex, i might be suicidal too. going through the humiliation again, woah. That's a big deal.
i haven't seen a link for the article, but it was a prison camp and you would be naive to think that it didn't happen on a regular basis. its something people just dont talk about.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse
For the record, I only post Barack HUSSEIN Obama's middle name here at WaPo (not all over the Internet(s), and I am not "a bigoted piece of trash who has no life whatsoever". I am retired with plenty of time to waste here though.
Re: alleged rape -- even if it's true, I'm sure plenty of Republicans will not "blame the victim" -- we'll see in November, I guess. He wrote about his attempted suicide, but that was 40 years ago people. I doubt he has been suicidal since.
Posted by: JakeD | May 27, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse
No-name said:
"BILLW IS A RACIST." and
"SO, WHERE'S THE REST OF THE QUOTE OPEN MINDED LOVER OF FACTS? I'M WAITING... "
I usually would not answer the above, but am making an exception. It appears your reason for calling me racist is this statement I made:
"From his book 'Dreams of My Father' Obama wrote: "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother?s race."
You replied:
"after thinking about it this probably stems from his feelings after encountering a racist incident
OK, first Obama's statement stands strictly on it's own, and here's why. Assume you're correct. I agree, most people would indeed have a 'sense of grievance and animosity" after such an encounter. BUT... It should be directed at the perpetrator or perpetrators, NOT AT HIS MOTHER'S RACE AS A WHOLE. I am white and have been less than happy with an encounter or two with blacks, but DO NOT condemn them as a race. I respect Colin Powell (and would prefer him as President over the three present contenders). I respect Ms Rice, Bill Cosby, Morgan Freeman, and others. I have local black friends - PT (restaruant owner), HM (business owner), GV (fellow veteran I have spent hours with discussing the unfairness of his having to be point-man too often because he was black), and others.
Why do I go to the effort to post the above? Perhaps it will affect you and/or
some others in a positive way. Call it my good deed for the day.
Posted by: Billw | May 27, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse
HMM, JakeD is an Internet troll whose sole existence is to post Barack's middle name all over the Internet...
Do you think he does this b/c he is a bigoted piece of trash who has no life whatsoever?
JAKE D,
DON'T TELL ME--THE D STANDS FOR DUMBASS WHITE BOY JEALOUS OF SOMEONE WHO HAS ACCOMPLISHED MORE THAN I EVER WILL IN MY SAD PATHETIC USELESS LIFE.
Barack H (Hussein)
Jake D (DUMBASSWHITEBOYJEALOUSOFSOMEONEWHO HASACCOMPLISHEDMORETHANIEVERWILLINMYSAD PATHETICUSELESSLIFE)
Dude, at least give FULL disclosure, seriously.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse
McCain is suicidal and a victim of homosexual rape? Damn. This guy has no chance. If you're a Democrat then being a victim of homosexual rape is kind of expected, but for a Republican - wow. This is as bad as choosing Larry Craig for Veep.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse
The media didn't scream loudly when Obama's "bitter" comment was taken out of context. Hillary ran it hard in PA. The four short paragraphs of the "bitter" talk show Obama to be a brilliant and compassionate speaker who did not blanketly stereotype white working people. How many have seen it?
Look below:
Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is so we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- to close tax loopholes, uh you know uh roll back the tax cuts for the top 1%, Obama's gonna give tax breaks to uh middle-class folks and we're gonna provide healthcare for every American.
But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.
Posted by: YT | May 27, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse
At the very least, he is more experienced to lead our country than Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
Posted by: JakeD | May 27, 2008 12:34 PM
OMG!! Barack's middle name is HUSSEIN! Wow, thanks for that info Jake--I'm not bigoted at all D--Now I'll totally vote against him.
I'M A BIGOTED IDIOT SO THAT'S ALL THE INFO I NEED. THANKS!!
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse
I agree - if McCain shows no side-effects from being subjected to that kind of punishment, let him address it.
I don't believe Evangelicals will stick by him, or Republicans, who seem have something against victims. And McCain has acted like a victim, with the suicide attempt and all.
Posted by: Greg Davis | May 27, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse
if the man showed strength and courage - he should show it again and address the issue in public. show the american people that he no longer suffers from depression or rage from being raped, and that he wont consider suicide when things get tough.
Posted by: jim dorchester | May 27, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse
There's something George W. Bush-esque about the Clintons, in that their personal power is more important than their political party, or even the nation.
The Clintons are completely devoid of principle--The only constast is an ever-ending grasp for power for it's own sake.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse
jim:
I believe the strength and courage from that dark time has made John SIDNEY McCain the great man he is today. At the very least, he is more experienced to lead our country than Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
Posted by: JakeD | May 27, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse
Hillary Clinton Has Lost Her Mind
by Bill Jempty
She compares last January's Democratic primary in Florida to the recent Presidential election in Zimbabwe.
Desperate to get attention for her cause to seat Florida and Michigan delegates, Hillary Clinton compared the plight of Zimbabweans in their recent fraudulent election to the uncounted votes of Michigan and Florida voters saying it is wrong when "people go through the motions of an election only to have them discarded and disregarded."
"We're seeing that right now in Zimbabwe," Clinton explained. "Tragically, an election was held, the president lost, they refused to abide by the will of the people," Clinton told the crowd of senior citizens at a retirement community in south Florida.
"So we can never take for granted our precious right to vote. It is the single most important, privilege and right any of us have, because in that ballot box we are all equal. You're equal to a billionaire. You're equal to the president, every single one of us."
Dr. Steven Taylor at Poliblog, one of the most reasonable people in the conservative blogosphere, sums up Hillary's comments far better than I can:
This is not a healthy notion to be sewing in the minds of the citizenry. Clinton know full well the history of the situation in Florida and Michigan and supported the decisions at the time, and now she is trying to rewrite history to serve her own narrow political interests. That is irresponsible, shameful and is the kind of thing that indicates that she isn't fit to be the president.
MANY OF HILLARY'S SUPPORTERS AREN'T EVEN AWARE THAT HER CAMPAIGN STAFF HELPED DEVISE THE SANCTIONS FOR FL AND MI AND THAT SHE SIGNED OFF ON THEM REPEATEDLY--UNTIL SHE STARTED LOSING.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse
kyle:
I meant as to being raped (after capture).
Posted by: JakeD | May 27, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse
New York Daily News
Hillary Clinton's colossal blunder simply the last straw
Hillary Clinton apologized Friday after citing the June 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy (below) in defending her decision to keep running for the Democratic presidential nomination. Neel/AP
Hillary Clinton apologized Friday after citing the June 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy (below) in defending her decision to keep running for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Eppridge/Time Life/Getty
SICK. Disgusting. And yet revealing. Hillary Clinton is staying in the race in the event some nut kills Barack Obama.
It could happen, but what definitely has happened is that Clinton has killed her own chances of being vice president. She doesn't deserve to be elected dog catcher anywhere now.
Her shocking comment to a South Dakota newspaper might qualify as the dumbest thing ever said in American politics.
Her lame explanation that she brought up the 1968 assassination of Robert Kennedy because his brother Ted's illness was on her mind doesn't cut it. Not even close.
We have seen an X-ray of a very dark soul. One consumed by raw ambition to where the possible assassination of an opponent is something to ponder in a strategic way. Otherwise, why is murder on her mind?
It's like Tanya Harding's kneecapping has come to politics. Only the senator from New York has more lethal fantasies than that nutty skater.
We could have seen it coming, if only we had realized Clinton's thinking could be so cold. She has grown increasingly wild in her imagery lately, invoking everything from slavery to the political killings in Zimbabwe in making her argument for the Florida and Michigan delegations. She claimed to be the victim of sexism, despite winning the votes of white men.
But none of it was moving the nomination needle, with Obama, despite recent dents, still on course to be the victor.
So she kept digging deeper, looking for the magic button. Instead, she pushed the eject button, lifting herself right out of consideration.
Giving voice to such a vile thought is all the more horrible because fears Obama would be killed have been an undercurrent to his astonishing rise. Republican Mike Huckabee made a stupid joke about it recently. Many black Americans have talked of it, reflecting their assumption that racists would never tolerate a black President and that Obama would be taken from them.
Clinton has now fed that fear. She needs a very long vacation. And we need one from her.
Say good night, Hillary. And go away.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse
JakeD - for not being a smart enough naval officer (bottom of his class) to avoid being captured.
Posted by: kyle | May 27, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse
Washington State Voters Take Their Power Back from the Republican and Democratic Parties with a Top-Two Primary System!
This is particularly interesting as the Democratic Party elite and the MSM try to nominate Barack Obama even though Hillary Clinton polls as the Dem. candidate who can actually WIN the general election.
In 2004, Washington State voters approved a referendum that implements a primary system where the top two vote getters for state level positions, regardless of party, advance to the general election. Both parties sued to prevent implemenation of the "top two" primary system and lost at the U.S. Supreme Court. Four years later, the will of the voters is finally being implemented. The top two vote getter system will be used for the first time in Washington State during this election cycle.
See http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004439998_toptwo27m.html for more information.
The voters of Washington State have taken their power back at the state level. I hope that voters in more states will do the same and that some day in the not too distant future voters will take their power back from the party elites and choose their presidential candidates as well. I don't need a party to tell me when my state can hold its primary and I don't need a superdelegate or the MSM to decide who I'm going to vote for. I want the candidates to clearly represent the will of the people.
Posted by: Donna1000 | May 27, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse
From Washington Post
By Eugene Robinson
Tuesday, May 27, 2008; A13
Clinton's Grim Scenario
If this campaign goes on much longer, what will be left of Hillary Clinton?
A woman uniformly described by her close friends as genuine, principled and sane has been reduced to citing the timing of Robert F. Kennedy's assassination as a reason to stay in the race -- an argument that is ungenuine, unprincipled and insane. She vows to keep pushing, perhaps all the way to the convention in August. What manner of disintegration is yet to come?
For anyone who missed it, Clinton was pleading her cause before the editorial board of the Sioux Falls, S.D., Argus Leader on Friday. Rejecting calls to drop out because her chances of winning have become so slight, she said the following: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know I just, I don't understand it."
The point isn't whether you take Clinton at her word that she didn't actually mean to suggest that someone -- guess who? -- might be assassinated. The point is: Whoa, where did that come from?
Setting aside for the moment the ugliness of Clinton's remark, just try to make it hold together. Clinton's basic argument is that attempts to push her out of the race are hasty and premature, since the nomination sometimes isn't decided until June. She cites two election years, 1968 and 1992, as evidence -- but neither is relevant to 2008 because the campaign calendar has been changed.
In 1968, the Democratic race kicked off with the New Hampshire primary on March 12; when Robert Kennedy was killed, the campaign was not quite three months old. In 1992, the first contest was the Iowa caucuses on Feb. 10; by the beginning of June, candidates had been battling for about 3 1/2 months -- and it was clear that Bill Clinton would be the nominee, though he hadn't technically wrapped it up.
This year, the Iowa caucuses were held on Jan. 3, the earliest date ever. Other states scrambled to move their contests up in the calendar as well. When June arrives, the candidates will have been slogging through primaries and caucuses for five full months -- a good deal longer than in those earlier campaign cycles.
So Clinton's disturbing remark wasn't wishful thinking -- as far as I know (to quote Clinton herself, when asked earlier this year about false rumors that her opponent Barack Obama is a Muslim). Clearly, it wasn't logical thinking. It can only have been magical thinking, albeit not the happy-magic kind.
Clinton has always claimed to be the cold-eyed realist in the race, and at one point maybe she was. Increasingly, though, her words and actions reflect the kind of thinking that animates myths and fairy tales: Maybe a sudden and powerful storm will scatter my enemy's ships. Maybe a strapping woodsman will come along and save the day.
Clinton has poured more than $11 million of her own money into the campaign, with no guarantee of ever getting it back. She has changed slogans and themes the way Obama changes his ties. She has been the first major-party presidential candidate in memory to tout her appeal to white voters. She has abandoned any pretense of consistency, inventing new rationales for continuing her candidacy and new yardsticks for measuring its success whenever the old rationales and yardsticks begin to favor Obama.
It could be that any presidential campaign requires a measure of blind faith. But there's a difference between having faith in a dream and being lost in a delusion. The former suggests inner strength; the latter, an inner meltdown.
What Clinton's evocation of RFK suggests isn't that she had some tactical reason for speaking the unspeakable but that she and her closest advisers can't stop running and rerunning through their minds the most far-fetched scenarios, no matter how absurd or even obscene. She gives the impression of having spent long nights convincing herself that the stars really might still align for her -- that something can still happen to make the Democratic Party realize how foolish it has been.
Clinton campaigns as if she knows she will leave some Democrats with bad feelings. That's the Clinton way: Ask forgiveness, not permission. But every day, as more superdelegates trickle to Obama's side, it becomes a surer bet that she will not win. She and her family enjoy good health and fabulous wealth. They'll be fine -- unless, while losing this race for the nomination, Hillary Clinton also loses her soul.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse
85k died from defending America from communism? Communism was a threat? Like terrorism is a threat? Don't you think people just don't want American soldiers in their countries? There would be no terrorism had Reagan not put soldiers in Saudi America. Bin Liden would be working at 7-11 and not blowing sh*t up.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse
Posted by: gilesjp: "You have to look at the fact that the web user is a more informed voter a high information voter."
Allow me to correct you...
"You have to look at the fact that the web user is a more MIS-informed voter a high MIS-information voter."
Posted by: Jerry | May 27, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse
kyle (and Greg?):
I blame Barack HUSSEIN Obama for not leaving Rev. Wright's church for 20 years -- that was his OWN action -- please explain what action of McCain's you can blame him for after he got shot down ...
Posted by: JakeD | May 27, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse
From Washington Post
By Eugene Robinson
Tuesday, May 27, 2008; A13
Clinton's Grim Scenario
If this campaign goes on much longer, what will be left of Hillary Clinton?
A woman uniformly described by her close friends as genuine, principled and sane has been reduced to citing the timing of Robert F. Kennedy's assassination as a reason to stay in the race -- an argument that is ungenuine, unprincipled and insane. She vows to keep pushing, perhaps all the way to the convention in August. What manner of disintegration is yet to come?
For anyone who missed it, Clinton was pleading her cause before the editorial board of the Sioux Falls, S.D., Argus Leader on Friday. Rejecting calls to drop out because her chances of winning have become so slight, she said the following: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know I just, I don't understand it."
The point isn't whether you take Clinton at her word that she didn't actually mean to suggest that someone -- guess who? -- might be assassinated. The point is: Whoa, where did that come from?
Setting aside for the moment the ugliness of Clinton's remark, just try to make it hold together. Clinton's basic argument is that attempts to push her out of the race are hasty and premature, since the nomination sometimes isn't decided until June. She cites two election years, 1968 and 1992, as evidence -- but neither is relevant to 2008 because the campaign calendar has been changed.
In 1968, the Democratic race kicked off with the New Hampshire primary on March 12; when Robert Kennedy was killed, the campaign was not quite three months old. In 1992, the first contest was the Iowa caucuses on Feb. 10; by the beginning of June, candidates had been battling for about 3 1/2 months -- and it was clear that Bill Clinton would be the nominee, though he hadn't technically wrapped it up.
This year, the Iowa caucuses were held on Jan. 3, the earliest date ever. Other states scrambled to move their contests up in the calendar as well. When June arrives, the candidates will have been slogging through primaries and caucuses for five full months -- a good deal longer than in those earlier campaign cycles.
So Clinton's disturbing remark wasn't wishful thinking -- as far as I know (to quote Clinton herself, when asked earlier this year about false rumors that her opponent Barack Obama is a Muslim). Clearly, it wasn't logical thinking. It can only have been magical thinking, albeit not the happy-magic kind.
Clinton has always claimed to be the cold-eyed realist in the race, and at one point maybe she was. Increasingly, though, her words and actions reflect the kind of thinking that animates myths and fairy tales: Maybe a sudden and powerful storm will scatter my enemy's ships. Maybe a strapping woodsman will come along and save the day.
Clinton has poured more than $11 million of her own money into the campaign, with no guarantee of ever getting it back. She has changed slogans and themes the way Obama changes his ties. She has been the first major-party presidential candidate in memory to tout her appeal to white voters. She has abandoned any pretense of consistency, inventing new rationales for continuing her candidacy and new yardsticks for measuring its success whenever the old rationales and yardsticks begin to favor Obama.
It could be that any presidential campaign requires a measure of blind faith. But there's a difference between having faith in a dream and being lost in a delusion. The former suggests inner strength; the latter, an inner meltdown.
What Clinton's evocation of RFK suggests isn't that she had some tactical reason for speaking the unspeakable but that she and her closest advisers can't stop running and rerunning through their minds the most far-fetched scenarios, no matter how absurd or even obscene. She gives the impression of having spent long nights convincing herself that the stars really might still align for her -- that something can still happen to make the Democratic Party realize how foolish it has been.
Clinton campaigns as if she knows she will leave some Democrats with bad feelings. That's the Clinton way: Ask forgiveness, not permission. But every day, as more superdelegates trickle to Obama's side, it becomes a surer bet that she will not win. She and her family enjoy good health and fabulous wealth. They'll be fine -- unless, while losing this race for the nomination, Hillary Clinton also loses her soul.
TOO LATE. SHE LOST HER SOUL A LONG TIME AGO. SHE NEEDS TO BE FORCED OUT--JUNE 4TH!
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse
Obama's mantra - 'change you can believe in' -
New mantra....
Senator Obama, Are you a member of the Communist Party?
85,944 died defending America from Communism...Senator Obama, Are you a traitor?
Obama mentored by Communist Party figure"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65066
Posted by: rtfanning | May 27, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse
so you don't blame alter boys for the actions of priests but you blame obama for reverence wright? that's a bit of selective criticism. and the rape story, was on the CNN website late friday.
Posted by: kyle | May 27, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse
TOO LATE RETARD, SORRY
ANYONE THREATENING HILLARY OR MCCAIN IS EITHER A RACIST, A REPUBLICAN OR A PAID CLINTON STAFFER. JUST POST RACIST, REPUBLICAN OR PAID CLINTON STAFFER. MUCH EASIER. THANKS!
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse
the rape story was from an article in '92 that was reporting on McCain's success and paraphrased his treatment in the POW '...that included rape' - CNN carried the story over the weekend along with the story about the McCain fundraiser being moved to a private residence due to lack of interest. Apparently the link has been removed or replaced this morning.
Posted by: Greg Davis | May 27, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse
kyle:
I am an Evangelical, and I can tell you that I don't BLAME rape victims -- for instance, I don't blame altar boys molested by homosexual priest -- do you?
Posted by: JakeD | May 27, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse
WE, Hillary Clintons supporters all have strong minds of our own. We don't get swept up in obama chants (of false promises). We can see through his BS.
AND... WE WILL vote for President John Mccain in November.
Posted by: candoo | May 27, 2008 11:18 AM
NO ONE GIVES A RAT'S ASS WHO YOU VOTE FOR CANDOO. TRYING TO INFLUENCE, SUPERDELEGATES. TOO LATER RETARD!
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse
jake - don't you think that the evangelicals will implode over this story about being raped - i mean, an act of homosexuality is still an act of homosexuality regardless of whether it was forced or not. And americans want their presidents to be strong, not victims.
Posted by: kyle | May 27, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse
Vincent, FL:
I never BLAME the victim of rape. Regardless, I have yet to see any substantiation that he was raped though. Also, I was unaware of JOHN McCain's drug usage -- wasn't that CINDY McCain?
Posted by: JakeD | May 27, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse
JakeD - that's a pretty huge leap.
But I'm glad to hear you can still get behind a guy like John 'Mud Monkey' McCain.
I've seen some real tough guys come out of prison with some major issues - which explains McCains drug usage and thoughts of suicide.
Me personally, that's too much baggage. To expect the American people to be married to this guy for four years and that's carrying that kind of emotional baggage - no way.
Posted by: Vincent, FL | May 27, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse
Greg Davis:
Not at all -- I just want everyone to also keep in mind how far the man has come from said POW camp -- where he even tried to commit suicide and refused the offer to leave early once it was discovered who his father was. Same as if Barack HUSSEIN Obama was brainwashed in Indonesia and is a secret Muslim ...
Can you hear me now?
Posted by: JakeD | May 27, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse
jakeD - I'm not I'm following you - if a man is brutally raped in prison camp, why shouldn't the American people be allowed some insight as to the impact such a violent act of brutality can have on a person psyche, especially if this man is running for the highest office in the country?
It is shameful - but given the fact that our current president could have used a similar prognosis, better safe than sorry.
Are you ashamed that you're supporting a man that was brutally raped as a prisoner for 5 and 1/2 years?
Posted by: Greg Davis | May 27, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse
Obama supporters can say what they want, talk is cheap. Just because YOU SAY Hillarys supporters will FALL IN LINE behind Obama, doesn't make that so. You can say anything you want to convince yourself we will all become robots like you all, but the truth is WE WON'T. WE WON'T fall in line behind obama, WE WON'T vote for obama, WE WILL MAKE SURE obama does not win in November.
WE, Hillary Clintons supporters all have strong minds of our own. We don't get swept up in obama chants (of false promises). We can see through his BS.
AND... WE WILL vote for President John Mccain in November.
Posted by: candoo | May 27, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse
To all of you that think that HRC's comments were misinterpreted by the media or the Obama campaign:
I don't need ANYONE to interpret what comes out of other people's mouths, in this case, HRC's.
I don't give her the benefit of the doubt because she has established a pattern on what she calls "misspeaking". The Bosnia story it was a LIE. She told it 3 times! until she got caught.
The same is for this last comments.
Hillary is too smart to say something without gain.
Her apology had "ifs" in it. That is not an apology!
Posted by: Pat | May 27, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse
there is nothing like doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
I believe that's what they define as 'stupidity'.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse
TWstroud:
I hope that Hillary DIANE Clinton makes an Independent bid for President.
Posted by: JakeD | May 27, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse
Many Hillary supporters have little or no internet 'life'. The less educated working class or senior citizen voter does not rely upon a blog. This disconnect further cements her to her base and explains why they think she has been so unfairly treated. They are 'outside' the medium that presents the case against her. This makes her campaigning for Obama once things are settled all the more imperative. Her voters don't have a steady, constantly-checked email address. She will have to rally them directly.
Posted by: TWstroud | May 27, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse
jim (and Greg Davis, now, too:
Imagine how far the man has come from being brutally raped repeatedly in that POW camp for 5 1/2 years -- where he even tried to commit suicide and refused the offer to leave early once it was discovered who his father was -- perhaps you could at least take that into consideration?
Posted by: JakeD | May 27, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse
Anyone who wants me to "vote different" or even "think different" will never be anyone I take seriously or even carefully.
Idiots.
Posted by: Gary E. Masters | May 27, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse
Was McCain pitching or catching in POW camp?
Posted by: Greg Davis | May 27, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse
Clinton is always ready to blame others. Claims others whine. When her and her husband whine more than anyone. She is responsible for her loss of supporters, her disaster of a a campaign, namely her entire situation. Hers was the name every in this country recognized. She chose to go very, very, negative. If she cannot run a campaign efficiently, how in the world could she handle the USA.
Posted by: Nana1007 | May 27, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse
I can not vote for a man who had sexual relations with another man, forced or not.
I can not vote for John McCain now and will most likely stay home.
Posted by: jim dorchester | May 27, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse
I urge you to view the information on the following websites re Florida lawsuit against DNC. The information found at these websites is evidence that the Democratic Leader and Leader Pro-tem joined the State Republicans in moving up the date for the Florida primary.
http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/05/gellers-files-s.html
Posted by: Billeedee | May 27, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse
Hillary is the loser now. She and her band of thieves -- Mark Penn comes to mind -- lie all day long and all night long. They want to break the rules, which I taught my children is called cheating, so they can literally steal the nomination from a candidate who our hustled them, out organized them, and consequently is now less than 50 delegates from the nomination.
No matter what happens with MI and FL, Hillary loses.
And, by the way, so do those her campaign owes money to, unless they are insiders like Penn and Clinton.
Posted by: jeffp | May 27, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse
Senator Clinton is fast become not just an embarrasement to the Democratic Party but to the whole Nation as well. No wonder so many outside of America look on in amazement as the Clintons hang on with greed and desperation.
Posted by: Geoffrey | May 27, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse
If Hillary was ready on day one - why is her campaign tanking?
Why can't Hillary play by the rules? She was okay with the rules before she was losing - so much so, that she signed an agreement that she would not campaign in Florida or Michigan.
Why can't Hillary Dems see that it was Republicans who moved the date of the primary's up as part of a bill to include paper trail voting in Florida. Had nothing to do with Obama, so get over it.
Why do all the Hillary Dems and Republicans talk about Obama being assassinated? Has the blood from the Kennedy assassinations worn off already?
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse
Someone has released a copy of Hillary Clinton's bedtime prayer. Here it is:
"Now I lay me down to sleep;
I pray the Lord my soul to keep.
Keep me safe through all the drama -
Just let someone shoot Obama."
Posted by: Biographer | May 27, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse
In today's news - what impact does being raped in prison have on McCain supporters?
Obviously, a fund-raiser scheduled to be at the Phoenix Convention Center was moved to a private residence over the weekend over what Faux News called 'threats' but all other new networks called 'lack of interest'.
Seems that no one wants to 'get behind' McCain with the news that his torture in POW camp included forced homosexual relations.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse
gbooksdc -
IIRC, I think that Svreader had taken time off from her job to volunteer for the Clinton campaign in Indiana. Its quite possible she is simply at her job again.
Posted by: Echo2 | May 27, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse
The Obama campaign uses Olbermann to shore up their "hopeful" brand of politics? Do they realize what a ridiculous, vain, pompous creature Olbermann is? That's funny.
Posted by: Echo2 | May 27, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse
by the way -- someone earlier referred to "paid Obama posters". That's another example of Clinton doing dirt and then trying to say it's Obama doing the dirt. I posted that either Clinton or the RNC was paying people to post pro-Clinton posts; specifically, that posters like iowatreasures and svreader were paid. They called me all kinds of delusional, but you haven't seen them around lately, have you? svreader's laast opst was May 14; I guess after Oregon and KY, their paymasters decided to cut them lose and conserve funds. Even THEY recognize (a) the fight is ovver and (b) how could they be worth the money if Clinton kept losing?
Posted by: gbooksdc | May 27, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse
A few brief points:
1. It makes me happy to see two people find that they are soul mates. Such is the case for Hillary and Bill Clintons. Both pathological liars, both totally devoid of scruples or a sense of propriety or proportion.
2. The "if Hillary doesn't win, I'll vote for McCain" line is so childish. Look, Hillary is not going to win. No SD is going to vote for Ms. "It happened before, it could happen again". And few of them were gong to vote for Ms. "Hardworking White Voters" anyway. The DNC is not going to bail her out with Michigan and Florida; the solution that comes out will be dutifully endorsed by the Obama campaign and both state parties. She can push a floor fight if she wants, but she will control a minority of delegates -- which means she'll lose.
3. The vast majority of Hillary supporters who will go McCain were never much for her anyway -- they were just against the black guy. Race prejudice is still there, but it's not as big as it used to be. You can't win a national election on it, particularly when Republicans are holding their nose on McCain and staying home or voting Obama. McCain's a great guy, but he deserves better than bitter Clinton losers.
All those polls showing Obama ahead -- they include the sentiments of bitter Clinton losers. Obama is going to win. The Republicans need four years of Bush out of power to be taken seriously (not to mention a purge of the religious conservatives who have hijacked the GOP message of small government and low taxes).
Posted by: gbooksdc | May 27, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse
Obama should be thrown out of the Democratic Party. I just read that he and his campaign are responsible for sending out Olbermans rant to various media outlets. This is the dirtiest campaign I have ever seen in my 30 some years as a Democrat. Obama must be exposed and thrown out. Obama will never be President because Clinton Democrats will not vote for him. He has not only not earned the nomination, but he has played some dirty tricks against Clinton including racist allegations and asking Clinton to quit w/o counting the the votes of FL/MI and actually blocking a re-vote in these states. Obama is a corrupt politician misleading simple minded voters with words like 'hope' and 'change'. Yet Clinton was the first to offer change 16 years ago when she first proposed national healthcare. Obama is not a unifier, Obama is a divisive racist that attacks the Clintons, Obama should withdraw now before he does any more damage and loses to McCain in the fall.
Posted by: NO_OBAMA! | May 27, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse
In October of 1948, Newsweek Magazine ran a poll of 50 expert political journalists. 50-0 they predicted that Thomas Dewey would be the next president of the United States.
Harry Truman looked at Newsweek and said that he knew every one of those journalists, and not one of them had the sense to stuff sand down a rathole. Not much changed in 60 years I guess.
Posted by: Ami Isseroff | May 27, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse
I believe this country has seen and heard enough of the Clintons.
Hilary needs to post a note on her mirror. "You're looking at the Problem."
She has what is commonly referred to as Borderline Personality Disorder. This mental health issue showed its ugly head when the former Secret Service agents started talking after Slick was impeached. She was described as the worst first lady they had ever been responsible for In the history of protecting first families. Now we are led to believe she is the one with the most experience to lead this country and she can't remember if she was really being shot at. Wake UP you ignorant females that support her. Apparently you are in denial about just what kind of woman she is. A liar, cheat thief and a con that's short for Attorney.
Posted by: Chris W. | May 27, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse
The Clinton supporters that refuse to recognize that the time has come to acknowledge the nominee for the good of the party all have two things in common. They don't understand simple match, and they can't tell the difference between feelings and facts.
Posted by: David | May 27, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse
Why blame Hillary?
The main argument seems to be that she was taken out of context.- ok this could be legitimate.
However I'd like to clarify a point. She used the statement twice, months apart, so was either dumb with 2 months to think about it, ie planned, or really this clumsy in the first place. But if she fudges domestic politics this easily, what's to stop her from bungling international relations? I don't want another George Bush in office, being dumb and the president of our country isn't cool.
Posted by: Elizabeth | May 27, 2008 6:26 AM | Report abuse
WHY CAN'T OBAMA SEAL THIS DEAL?
Posted by: rob | May 27, 2008 4:12 AM | Report abuse
WHY CAN'T OBAMA SEAL THIS DEAL?
Posted by: rob | May 27, 2008 4:11 AM | Report abuse
WHY CAN'T OBAMA SEAL THIS DEAL?
Posted by: rob | May 27, 2008 4:10 AM | Report abuse
The drawback?
Internet people seldom push back from the computer long enough to go out and vote.
Posted by: rob | May 27, 2008 4:08 AM | Report abuse
"Hillary's innocent comment"
Dream on Amy. The NY Daily News--one of Hillary's 'hometown' papers (and one of my hometown papers)--called her "Sick", "Disgusting" and said that "She doesn't deserve to be elected dogcatcher now"
Since you're such a big Hillary lover you might want to consider moving to New York to help her hold on to her Senate seat. Cause that's going...going...soon to be gone too.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse
This is how graciously Obama overlooks Hillary's innocent comment and gets back to the issues Americans really want to talk about...geez how many times have we heard that line?
From NYT: In addition, the Obama campaign sent the entire political press corps the transcript of a searing commentary about Mrs. Clinton by Keith Olbermann on MSNBC.
George Stephanopoulos, the host of ABC's "This Week," asked David Axelrod, Mr. Obama's top strategist, about the e-mail:
Mr. Stephanopoulos: You say you're not trying to stir the issue up. But a member of your press staff yesterday was sending around to an entire press list -- I have the e-mail here -- Keith Olbermann's searing commentary against Hillary Clinton. So that is stirring this up, isn't it?"
Mr. Axelrod: "Well, Mr. Olbermann did his commentary and he had his opinion. But as far as we're concerned."
Mr. Stephanopoulos: "But your campaign was sending it around."
Mr. Axelrod: "As far as we're concerned, George, as far as we're concerned, this issue is done. It was an unfortunate statement, as we said, as she's acknowledged. She has apologized. The apology, you know, is accepted. Let's move forward."
Mr. Axelrod: "There's so many important things going on in this country right now, George, that people are interested in that we're not going to spend days dwelling on this."
Posted by: Amy | May 27, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse
BILLW IS A RACIST. (HE DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT OF COURSE.)
HE WANTS YOU TO THINK PEOPLE ARE 'PLAYING' THE RACE CARD AGAINST HIM AND HIS VOTE WOULD HAVE BEEN UP FOR GRABS BUT PEOPLE HAVE UNFAIRLY TARGETED HIM FOR HIS RACIST STATEMENTS.
POOR BABY! AND OBAMA'S NOT EVEN LOSING LIKE IN YOUR HATE FILLED DREAMS!
THE DUMBASS RACIST SHOE FITS!!! WEAR IT PROUDLY BILLW!
Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse
"What's that about name calling You don't know the implication of name-calling? I sort of figured that."
And you don't understand irony? Well, I sort of knew that from the rest of your IQ that's been on display.
SO, WHERE'S THE REST OF THE QUOTE OPEN MINDED LOVER OF FA









"behaviour"
Posted by: Lassair
You OBVIOUSLY aren't an American. Why do you spend so much time shrieking anti-Obama nonsense on the Internet? In a mental institution in the UK somewhere and have a lot of free time? Take your meds next time and try and pay attention to your own excuse for a country.