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McCain Asserts Return to Pre-Surge Iraq Troop Levels

By Michael D. Shear
Sen. John McCain has attacked Sen. Barack Obama for not traveling to Iraq to see the "facts on the ground." But a recent statement by McCain about troop levels has his opponents raising questions about his own knowledge.

In comments to reporters on Thursday, McCain asserted that "I can tell you that it is succeeding. I can look you in the eye and tell you it's succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul and now Sadr City are quiet and it's long and it's hard and it's tough and there will be setbacks."

In fact, as the Obama campaign was quick to point out, the troop level in Iraq is at about 155,000 right now, well above the 130,000 that would mark a return to pre-surge levels. The goal, according to a transcript of a news briefing with Joint Staff director for operations Lt. Gen. Carter Ham at the end of February, is to reduce troop levels to 140,000 -- still above the pre-surge levels.

A representative exchange:

Q: General, coming back to Iraq and the troop numbers, so what you're saying is by the time we get to the end of July, we're going to be at 140,000, which looks to me like we're still talking about significantly higher than pre-surge levels in Iraq. Am I reading that correctly?

GEN. HAM: Yes.


Three of the five brigades that were added during the surge have been rotated out. The other brigades are in process of rotating out, and even when they depart, support personnel that were added during the surge will remain for the time being, military officials have said.

McCain's comments about Mosul being "quiet" also have raised some eyebrows. On the day that he said that, three suicide bombings in Mosul and the surrounding areas had left 30 Iraqis dead.

Obama's campaign seized on the slip-ups, holding a news conference with Sen. John Kerry to blast McCain on the troop-level mistake.

The McCain campaign reacted quickly, and angrily.

"What informed people understand, John McCain included, is that American troops are not even close to Surge levels," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds in a statement. "Three of the five Army 'Surge' brigades have been withdrawn and additional Marines that were initially deployed for the 'Surge' have come home as well -- the remaining two brigades will be home in July. Talk about a political stunt, it's sending out campaign surrogates to parse words about a topic Barack Obama has no experience with, and has shown zero interest in learning about."

The spat had the feel of a classic back-and-forth as Democratic spokesman Damien LaVera quickly issued a statement saying: "Either John McCain doesn't know the facts on the ground in Iraq or he is continuing the Bush Administration's pattern of intentionally misleading the public. Either way, he is the wrong choice for America's future."

And McCain's team has scheduled a conference call for reporters this afternoon.

Posted at 12:57 PM ET on May 30, 2008  | Category:  John McCain
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"Senator McCain has never worked outside of tax supported political jobs."
-Vozuki

During the vice-presidential debate between Senator Joseph Lieberman and Oilman Dick Cheney, then CEO of Haliburton, the latter declared that his success in the business world was entirely the result of personal merit and private initiative and that the government had nothing to do with it. Lieberman let it pass. The truth, however, was diametrically opposed to Mr. Cheney's disdainful assertion: everything on his resume was paid for the US taxpayer. When Haliburton hired him, he was an ex-congressman, ex-White House operative (Ford) and cabinet member. Mr. Cheney, clearly, was hired for his political connections, amassed at tax-payer expense.

The man's chutzpah is matched only by his documented malevolence.

McCain differs from Cheney only in his utter cluelessness.

Posted by: R M Gopal | June 1, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

How about Obama's gaffes? He has a ton of them.

-Last May, he claimed that Kansas tornadoes killed a whopping 10,000 people: "In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." The actual death toll: 12.

-Earlier this month in Oregon, he redrew the map of the United States: "Over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in 57 states? I think one left to go."

-Last week, in front of a roaring Sioux Falls, South Dakota audience, Obama exulted: "Thank you Sioux City...I said it wrong. I've been in Iowa for too long. I'm sorry."

-Explaining last week why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: "Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it's not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle." On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?

-Obama has as much trouble with numbers as he has with maps. Last March, on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Alabama, he claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement:
"There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born." Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965. His spokesman, Bill Burton, later explained that Obama was "speaking metaphorically about the civil rights movement as a whole."

-Earlier this month in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by honing in on a lack of translators: "We only have a certain number of them and if they are all in Iraq, then it's harder for us to use them in Afghanistan." The real reason it's "harder for us to use them" in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.

-Over the weekend in Oregon, Obama pleaded ignorance of the decades-old, multi-billion-dollar massive Hanford nuclear waste clean-up.: "Here's something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that I'm not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I don't know exactly what's going on there. (Applause.) Now, having said that, I promise you I'll learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport." The fact is he voted on at least one defense authorization bill that addressed the "costs, schedules, and technical issues" dealing with the nation's most contaminated nuclear waste site.

-Last March, the Chicago Tribune reported this little-noticed nugget about a fake autobiographical detail in Obama's "Dreams from My Father:" "Then, there's the copy of Life magazine that Obama presents as his racial awakening at age 9. In it, he wrote, was an article and two accompanying photographs of an African-American man physically and mentally scarred by his efforts to lighten his skin. In fact, the Life article and the photographs don't exist, say the magazine's own historians."

- And in perhaps the most seriously troubling set of gaffes of them all, Obama told a Portland crowd over the weekend that Iran doesn't "pose a serious threat to us"-cluelessly arguing that "tiny countries" with small defense budgets can't do us harm- and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, "I've made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave."

Posted by: Cullen | May 31, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Back up for a second. Take a common sense look at McCain.
This is an old man from a multi generational military war command family. He gets his facts muddled. He loves to say we're winning. He loves command. He loves war. He has no goal for leaving Iraq.
Leaving Iraq is the goal Mr. McCain. Reducing the sounds of battle and reducing the adrenalin rush to old warriors is America's goal.
You can ignore or muddle the facts in your drum and fife vision Commander McCain but winning in Iraq is to leave.
Leaving is only surrender if fighting is your blood call intruding on common sense intelligence.
Thanks for your years of service; your ability to lead clearly has passed.

Posted by: Craig Johnson/ cognitorex | May 31, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

We don't need another president whose erroneous zone is as large as he is. A vote for McCain is a vote for more chaos as his "chaperones" vy for power among themselves. Which one will wind up playing Svengali to his Trilby? You won't find the name on any ballot.

Posted by: fzdybel | May 31, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

This should be no surprise coming from the foreign policy "genius" who said that his solution to Iraq would be to "sit the Sunni and Shia down and tell them to cut the bullsh*t." Hopelessly naive, simplistic... and just plain wrong.

Posted by: jolene | May 31, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

It's just possible that the Republicans did not make a mistake in 2000 when they chose Bush over McCain. The mistake came later in the Supreme Court.

Posted by: manleymax | May 31, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

It's just possible that the Republicans did not make a mistake in 2000 when they chose Bush over McCain. The mistake came later in the Supreme Court.

Posted by: manleymax | May 31, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

John McCain retired as a Navy Captain (O6) with no distinguishing military record. What unit or units did McCain command? What were the distinguishing accomplishments of that or those units?

What is the truth about his immediate transfer off the USS Forrestal with the wounded when he wasn't? Why wasn't he available on board for the investigation?

How could anyone finish 5th from the bottom of his class and get into flight school? How could anyone crash a jet in flight school and still graduate with his class?

What makes John McCain a leader? There is nothing in his record that indicates he has ever demonstrated leadership qualities. But he has demonstrated his eagerness to accept rewards he did not deserve.

Posted by: infuse | May 31, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Is there a way to simply shut down the federal government for 10 years, and circulate an amendment which reads, "The 10th Amendment must be obeyed or you will be locked in the Trinity church for life. If you're black, you'll be forced to watch the Country Music Awards for life." The three fairies competing for the executive branch Santa Claus job have never read Article II. The only promise I want to hear from them is that sometime before they see their first stained blue dress they will have read the Constitution. OK, for Hillarious, that would be blue dress number 2.

Posted by: Harry Quite Contrary | May 31, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

This exchange sort of reminds me when Senators recently asked OIL INDUSTRY Tycoons claimed they could not recall how much compensation they received -- in spite of record profits.

Maybe other GOP cultists have trouble with remembering big numbers?

Posted by: Richard Morris | May 31, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

When Obama makes a mistake it relates to something that happened 60 years ago, it's Buchenwald rather than Auschwitz, and it's his great-uncle rather than his uncle.

When McSame makes a mistake it's present day, it's not knowing Sunni from Shia, and it's US troop levels.

McSame's "senior moments are far more dangerous!

Posted by: Chris | May 31, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

What I fear of this, isn't that McCain is experiencing advancing dementia, but what will happen to all those promises that Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama are making, when either of them are elected.

What will happen, how will the course be changed if it's discovered that the mess is worse then we were told by Bush's secrecy?

Posted by: John G. | May 31, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't it John Kerry who ran on the promise to increase the active duty by 40,000 troops; who promised prosecute this war by giving the commanders on the ground the resources they needed and rightly accused the Bush/Cheney administration of prosecuting this war on 'the cheap'; who rightly ridiculed this administration for asking Americans to go shopping rather than calling for a shared sacrifice (a sacrifice that Obama never made by serving because he was to busy on a drug induced identity quest); and the same former service member whom John McCain came to his defense when the same scum who had accused McCain four years earlier in SC of 'abandoning the troops' - the very tactics that Obama and Kerry are now participating in.

Obama shares the same kind of stubborn, arrogant, close minded philosophy as Bush. Bush didn't listen to Gen. Shinseki or Gen. Newbold - and insisted on seeing Iraq through his rose colored classes despite those of us who returned from Iraq and spoke honestly of the fiasco that this papers pentagon correspondent so sharply documented - now Obama refuses to listen to Gen. Petraeus and Gen. Odierno or engage in an honest debate about the successes our troops have begun to realize after nearly four years of incompetent leadership under Rumsfeld.

Thank God that McCain was successful in champion a change in strategy before the conditions in Iraq had deteriorated to total chaos.

Senator Kerry should be ashamed that he is putting politics ahead of sound military and national security interest.

Posted by: clawrence | May 31, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Duh, me no how meny solders.
Yoo no no... how many.
Me go by in shop .. Bagdady. ha I say dady.
Duh, black man mean too me.
Duh, jorge... help me nouw. Duh NO! jorge! NO prezels yor mom sed!
Dont put them in YOR PANTS!

Oh ooo. I pooped.

Posted by: KAckermann | May 31, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

McCain also said that Sadr City was "quiet." Here's what the 31 May Washington Post has to say:

"In Sadr City, thousands of people take to the streets to protest talks between Washington and Baghdad to keep U.S. forces in Iraq beyond 2008."

In case you haven't noticed, McCain is rarely correct about anything. Why do you keep covering for him?

Posted by: CatelynK | May 31, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Lotta sickos posting from the Obama camp. You won't win votes talking that trash.

Posted by: JFN | May 31, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

WHAT CHANGE? . . . . Barack Obama says he's for change, but he's never laid out a real plan.

However, if you look at the way he does business, there is no change at all.
1) Stonewalling Florida and Michigan, much like George Bush did Florida in 2000.
2) Ultra-quick to accuse his chief opponents of playing race-cards, even though his reasoning has been so convoluted as to leave anyone dizzy who tries to believe it or defend it for that matter. . . . . Is this how the White House is going to CHANGE in the next four years? Instead of accusing opponents of being "unpatriotic," Obama will accusing them of playing "race-cards."
3) No one has received more campaign money from the Health Industry than Obama, and look at his second-rate health care plan. . . . . . Just what the Industry ordered. . . . No change there.

I see nothing of any change for the better in the way Obama runs for the nomination. . . . . . In fact, the insulting way in which he lies about his opponents playing race-cards is damaging race relations in America. . . . . . . And now more ragings against whites by another of Obama's friends from Rev. Wright's pulpit.

I will never vote for someone who worked as hard as McCain did to urge Americans to put George Bush back in office in 2004. . . . But, I'm having a hard time thinking about supporting that racist Obama.

Bill Clinton's "fairytale" statement or Hillary's "RFK" statement was not a race-card. . . . . . . . You want to see a real race-card? . . Look at the ad for the Tennessee Senator election in 2006 -- now that's a race-card.

Heck Obama was shouting "Race-card" so loud and often, I thought he was selling programs for NASCAR.

Posted by: Coldcomfort | May 30, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

A young black man survives a troubled youth, does well in school, goes to Harvard, graduates first in his law school class, spurns multiple offers from the most powerful law firms in the country to virtually write his own ticket, plunges into community organizing on the streets of Chicago, picks up plenty of street smarts -- the very real kind of real-world experience practically every one of our privileged crop of political leaders sadly lack -- and pays his dues, again, as a lowly state senator in the Illinois legislature.

This is how this young black man is seen by one of his countrymen -

"just promise"
"has not spent their life serving the country."
"only promises"
"No experience"
"No dedication"
"without knowing anything"
"unskilled person"
"without any evidence that he will dedicate to serve..."
"America will lose 4 years going nowhere"
"without proven dedication"
"not qualified"
"without skills"

Posted by: Nam | May 30, 2008 8:22 PM

Such cynicism -- bordering on hatred. Such blindness toward elementary facts. Such fear and loathing. I suppose self-deception is a necessary first step for anyone setting out to deceive the world.

Posted by: Nam | May 30, 2008 8:22 PM

Posted by: R M Gopal | May 30, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

No fool like an OLD fool, with a 100 million dollar barbie whose father was a hit man for Kemper Marley & the Arizona Mafia, she stealing drugs for her addiction from her own charity, LOL. Oh yeah.

Can I get my own Bud distributorship for offing a few of the GangOfPerverts?

Posted by: 2by2 | May 30, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I question the applicability of McCains "experience". He did survive one disaster, when a careless aviation bosun's mate didn't check the setting on his meter and launched a Zuni missile into other parked aircraft, nearly sinking the U.S.S. Forrestal, CV 59. He also survived the Hanoi Hilton. Neither gave him any insights into modern military operations that even modestly exceed the military insights gained by his doppleganger, George W Bush while HE was dodging the draft in Texas. They certainly didn't teach him to count, as in 140,000 is still significantly higher than 130,000, and we can't properly keep 130,000 men in Iraq with no more than 527,000 in the whole Army. His experience hasn't apparently taught him anything about the problems of "Teeth VS Tail", and how our current lack of tail is rotting our teeth in Iraq and Afghanistan. They certainly didn't teach him that Armies Cost Money, and big enough armies cost lots of money.

John seems to have suffered a longstanding case of Carrier pilot indifference to the real world, where all that matters to the flying officers is their next catapult launch or their next arrested landing. Rumsfield suffered the same near sightedness and tunnel vision, and both seem to think that their limited experience made them an amalgam of Grant, Clausewitz,Patton, and Marshall. Mostly they are a chimera of McClellan, (for his cluelessness), Custer, (for his lack of forethought and his willingness to get into fights he ought to have stayed out of) and MacArthur, (for his overall all pigheadedness.)

But could he please at least learn the difference between al Quaeda (Afghanistan) and al Quaeda in Iraq, (a small band of thugs with no appreciation for the concept of Branding)?

For that matter, after Washington, and maybe Jackson, Essentially the Higher the Rank, the poorer the President. Lincoln was a militia Lieutenant, T Roosevelt was a Colonel of Volunteers, and Gore, who would have beaten any Republican in the last hundred years, was a Spec 4. Crediting Georgie with military service is just stretching the concept too far.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | May 30, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Everyone that I talk to, regardless of political leaning, want things to change. Which candidate will change things from the direction Bush has taken us? If it were that simple, Obama would win with a 70% margin. The other element is, are we as a nation courageous enough to vote for our hope of better days in America? The Democrats are betting that we will. The Republicans are betting that they can frighten us in to staying their course. That is what this article/debate/election is about. Hope or fear.

Posted by: Kevin Morgan | May 30, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain has never worked outside of tax supported political jobs. That is the real experience he has (which is subsidized by a wealthy wife who does not seem to care if ever knew a hard days work.) President Bush abandoned his military obligations by disappearing. Maybe that is why he got the USA into a such a mess over oil interests by starting the Iraq war! Let's face it, someone who vetos child immunizations in Texas and is overridden by the legislative arm, then does the same stunt in the White House does not have America's real future at heart, our children. No wonder he purchased a huge ranch in South America. He wants to escape legitimate criticism of the mess he has created.

Posted by: Vozuki | May 30, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Freedom is not Free. It will take us 40 years to pay off this foolish war.

Posted by: Bill Kane | May 30, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain is more of the same lies that America has heard form Bush for the last 7 years. How does Sen. McCain plan to play for staying in Iraq? He doesn't he plans to pass the cost to the unborn. McCain has no idea what he is talking about he is unfit mentally to be president. He needs Joe Leiberman standing behind him to correct him because he is a fool.

Posted by: Scott | May 30, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Post clowns. What the hell does Barry know about Iraq. He hasn't been there in over 2 years. He's too busy trying to weasel out of his Trinity house of horrors debacle. Twenty plus years association with these clowns and Barry wants to be president. Hillary, take it to the convention floor!

Posted by: ziggy1 | May 30, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

US Deaths By Month:
Year 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Jan ---00 ---47 --107 --62 ---83 ---40
Feb ---00 ---20 ---58 --55 ---81 ---29
Mar ---65 ---52 ---35 --31 ---81 ---39
Apr ---74 --135 ---52 --76 --104 ---52
May -- 37 ---80 ---80 --69 --126 ---18
Jun----30 ---42 ---78 --61 --101
Jul ----48 ---54 ---54 --43 ---78
Aug ---35 ---66 ---85 --65 ---84
Sep ---31 ---80 ---49 --72 ---65
Oct ---44 ---64 ---96 -106 ---38
Nov ---82 --137 ---84 --70 ---37
Dec ---40 ---72 ---68 -112 ---23
Total-486 --849 --846 -822 --901

U.S. Deaths Confirmed By The DoD:
Reported U.S. Deaths Pending DoD Confirmation:


http://icasualties.org/oif/

Posted by: Buzzm1 | May 30, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

mccain's position is to pursue more of bush failed iraq war policy...weak man...not intelligent...not the right man for our country

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

"I would rather have a vet in the house than either dems who have no combat exper. at all. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!! The Iraqis in some parts of the country have running water and homes because of our involvement."

____________________________________

1. George "AWOL" Bush did not have combat experience. Ronald Reagan had no combat experience. I'll bet you voted for both of them.

2. What housing and running water has BushCo provided for the four million Iraqis who have been displaced or forced to flee the country? How many Iraqis has Bush allowed to come to America? (6,000) How does that compare with the number of Iraqi refugees accepted by, say, Sweden? (40,000) As for water (and electricity):

"BAGHDAD -- Iraq's most prominent clerics have ruled that using a water pump on one's own pipes is akin to stealing resources from a neighbor, so what does a person do when it takes half an hour to fill a cooking pot with water from the tap?

"Iraqis pray for forgiveness, then pump away.

"To them, the real crime is that five years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, they still swelter in the summer and freeze in the winter because of a lack of electricity. Government rations are inevitably late, incomplete or expired. Garbage piles up for days, sometimes weeks, emanating toxic fumes.

"The list goes on: black-market fuel, phone bills for land lines that haven't worked in years, education and health-care systems degraded by the flight of thousands of Iraq's best teachers and doctors.

~ http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/30316.html

Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity - 10.9 in May 2007

Average Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity - 5.6 in May 2007

Iraqis without access to adequate water supplies - 70%

http://usliberals.about.com/od/homelandsecurit1/a/IraqNumbers.htm

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Posted by: vzsr5i54pz | May 30, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

An Obama Presidency Will Set Race Relations Back Decades

WE DO NOT ACCEPT OBAMAS POLITICAL DAMAGE APOLOGY!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

WHITE AMERICA SAY NO TO RACIST OBAMA, It's been proved with Rev Wright and confirmed with Pfleger he is racist! Once again he is connected with another so-called "preacher" at the so-called "church" TCC, which has proved to be a place to worship and spew hate against white Americans. WATCH THE VIDEO!!! Watch the blacks jumping up and down as the idiot Pfleger attacks white and the Former TWO TERM First Lady and WHITE WOMAN verbally. Once again in a so-called House of God. I think not. TCC is a racist radical group. Obama is not FIT to even be representing our country!!!!

SENATOR CLINTON SUPPORTERS ARE FURIOUS AND ALL WHITE VOTERS HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE BIASED MEDIA EXCUSING RACIST ATTACKS AGAINST US. I URGE ALL TO BOYCOTT CNN AND MSNBC FOR MANIPULATING THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR TIME!!!!

Just this Sunday Father Michael Pfleger (a longtime friend and associate of Senator Obama) mocked Hillary Clinton & AGAIN ATTACKED WHTE PEOPLE at Obama's church OF 20 PLUS YEARS.

"I really believe that she just always thought, 'This is mine! I'm Bill's wife, I'm white, and this is mine! I just gotta get up and step into the plate.' And then out of nowhere came, 'Hey, I'm Barack Obama,' and she said, 'Oh, damn! Where did you come from? I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show! She wasn't the only one crying, there was a whole lot of white people crying!"


http://www.dontvoteobama.net

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

It seems that Sen. McCain himself has answered my question: he insisted today that he didn't misspeak.

"Of course not. I said we've drawn down," the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee said at a news conference. "The rest of them will be home at the end of July."

So, this is an honest mistake, trivial really. He just doesn't know the difference between Present Perfect and Future Perfect.

Yeesh.

Posted by: Scott in NC | May 30, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

The past eight years has put this counrty in a difficult position where it can no longer afford fuzzy thinking and poor decision making in the next administration. At any other time a grandfatherly McCain would be good choice in office but challenging times lie ahead and this country needs clear precise judgement. Regrettably, neither clear judgement nor facts are McCain's forte.

Posted by: Oscar | May 30, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, a majority of the voting public does not look beyond McCain's war hero status and automatically equate that with expertise in the Iraq War and the national security sphere.
It is true that he showed incredible bravery and intestinal fortitude during his captive years. It is something that is indeed totally admirable and should be honored highly. But, a national security expert that does not make.
He is a "gut" player, to borrow a phrase. His knowledge of national issues and his approach to it are equally Bushian!
No, we do not need a former military man to be our next President. We need someone really smart and an think outside of the box to lead this country out of its Mideast mess and back to its pre-Bush standing in the world!

Posted by: kkwm | May 30, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

The US needs to get out of Iraq and return the country to its people. Maybe Israel will step up to the plate for once and send their own troops to Iraq to replace American forces.

Posted by: Maddogg | May 30, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain has never worked outside of tax supported political jobs. That is the real experience he has (which is subsidized by a wealthy wife who does not seem to care if ever knew a hard days work.) President Bush abandoned his military obligations by disappearing. Maybe that is why he got the USA into a such a mess over oil interests by starting the Iraq war! Let's face it, someone who vetos child immunizations in Texas and is overridden by the legislative arm, then does the same stunt in the White House does not have America's real future at heart, our children. No wonder he purchased a huge ranch in South America. He wants to escape legitimate criticism of the mess he has created.

Posted by: Vozuki | May 30, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

R Adams, if you'd rather have a vet in office, then you can forget about the two morons we have in office now. We have a Commander in Chief with questionable military service, and unarguably the greatest coward in the vice president Cheney who was too scared to even serve! Must be nice to get 5 deferrments in order not to serve your country because "of other priorities", as Cheney has said numerous times. Tell that to the thousands of families who lost brave men and women who died in Vietnam.
Think of what Cheney said when a reporter asked him about how the public was against this ill-begotten war, and all he can say was "So?". How callous and cold-hearted.
If McCain is elected all we're getting is the same ol Bush for 4 more years. Scary.

Posted by: CVC | May 30, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The point is that McBush seems to be having memory lapses similar to Reagan in his second term. Don't you want your Commander-in-Chief to know what the hell is going on? Part of that is to know what the troop levels are.

These so called "gaffes" are too frequent to have no meaning. This man may be physically hiking the Grand Canyon, and may have a mother who's in her 90's, but mentally, he is NOT prepared to be president of the United States. Get real.

Posted by: sedonakaren | May 30, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

"My friends, I do not need to know facts and figures -- or even what's going on. Why? Because I have assembled the most wonderful group of patriots on my foreign policy and domestic security campaign staff. Some of the names will be familiar to you: Bill Kristol, Robert Kagan, Randy Scheunemann, Gary Schmitt, Robert Zoellick, Eliot Cohen. These are the same fine people who inspired President Bush to undertake our venture against terrorism in Iraq. They are the same far-sighted who came together as founders and members of Project for a New American Century. A new American century? Doesn't that sound great? Isn't that what every true-blue American wants? Speaking of true-blue Americans, Henry Kissinger is also on my foreign policy campaign staff. Henry Kissinger! You should be impressed, because I know I am. With people like these, and a continuation of the successful Iraqi policy that I have long recommended and is now in place, there's really no need to me to bother myself too much with details. My job is to make sure that the traitors and Benedict Arnolds and socialist sympathizers who oppose our policies don't get in my campaign staff's way as we establish the military bases in Iraq that will ensure we can whatever we want, whenever we want, as only the world's greatest military superpower can. God bless America. And Israel." ~ John McBush

Posted by: pali2500 | May 30, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

R Adams, if you'd rather have a vet in office, then you can forget about the two morons we have in office now. We have a Commander in Chief with questionable military service, and unarguably the greatest coward in the vice president Cheney who was too scared to even serve! Must be nice to get 5 deferrments in order not to serve your country because "of other priorities", as Cheney has said numerous times. Tell that to the thousands of families who lost brave men and women who died in Vietnam.
Think of what Cheney said when a reporter asked him about how the public was against this ill-begotten war, and all he can say was "So?". How callous and cold-hearted.
If McCain is elected all we're getting is the same ol Bush for 4 more years. Scary.

Posted by: CVC | May 30, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

IMHO, a senile McCain is more dangerous than a supposed greenhorn Obama.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I was at Camp Shield in Iraq approximately one year ago when Senator McCain came for an inspection. This was on that same visit when he proclaimed that Baghdad was safe and that he had walked down neighborhood streets without heavy armed guard. To set the record straight, even in Camp Shield itself, security was so tight that not even the camp commander was allowed to get anywhere close to Senator McCain. It was on that same day that General Petraeus' own liaison was nearly killed in a suicide bombing of his convoy as it left Camp Shield. the SUV in front of the liaison's SUV was destroyed, along with the death of one of its occupants, a Navy colonel. Senator McCain did his sightseeing and moved from Point A to B via a heavily armed Chinook or Blackhawk helicopter.
When claims that Baghdad is safe, and progress is being made are asserted, one must consider the source, as well as the politics, behind such assertions.

Posted by: john e | May 30, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I would rather have a vet in the house than either dems who have no combat exper. at all. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!! The Iraqis in some parts of the country have running water and homes because of our involvement.

Posted by: r adams
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Apparently all parts of Iraq has running water prior to our involvement.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I would rather have a vet in the house than either dems who have no combat exper. at all. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!! The Iraqis in some parts of the country have running water and homes because of our involvement.

Posted by: r adams | May 30, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Sad to see the Obama campaign going for the mud. So much for his promise of a new kind of politics.

It's clear that we're to be treated to a constant stream of insinuation that McCain is borderline senile.

Obama, if he is the nominee, will reap what he sows. It will be a long, ugly road to November.

Posted by: WylieD | May 30, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

"Basra, Mosul and now Sadr City are quiet and it's long and it's hard and it's tough and there will be setbacks."

I repeated this quote to a friend of mine and then asked him, "Name the person who said this quote."

My friend's response:

George W Bush.

Posted by: pb&j | May 30, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

So, r adams, you talk about having a Veteran in the house being better than the other two... Apparently you are not aware that this "veteran" turned his back on his brothers in Vietnam and sealed the records of all POW/MIA's so that there could be no further investigation as to their whereabouts.

Apparently you aren't aware that it was McCain that laid down so much bureaucratic barriers that one of the finest men to ever head the Special Office of Prisoners of War and Missing in Action was forced to resign as its Chief.
http://www.nationalalliance.org/reliable/peck.htm

I'm not so sure that you understand anything about McCain. More importantly, if he'll abandon his brothers in Vietnam, what makes you so secure in you mind that he will not abandon this country on a whim. At 72 years old, McCain doesn't have the capacity to be the POTUS, especially since he's already given to fabrication for his own ends.

Do your homework.

McCain is a traitorous worm, and the other two are no better.

Ron Paul 2008

Posted by: History | May 30, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

He senile pure and simple. Plus McCain has delusions that winning in Iraq will somehow "right the wrongs" of the Vietnam War. My Friends, a vote for this man will be 4 more years of pointless war that was brought on by lies and deceptions of his idiot predecessor!

Posted by: dre7861 | May 30, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Man, the Republicans are like somebody that's told so many lies, they can't remember them all and keep slipping up.

That's why it's best to tell the truth: It's easy to remember. Sadr City quiet? Mosul?

Whatever, fine, then.

Everything's Hunky-Dory, so we can go now, right?

I can't believe those idiots handed Iraq to Iran. What a bunch of Morons.

Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the other Gulf States are not too happy about what we've done, either.

If you don't know what to do, don't do ANYTHING. That's the Lesson.

Posted by: Liar Liar Pants on Fire, Nose As Long... | May 30, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

It seems McCain McCain, himself, has answered my question. He insisted Friday that he didn't misspeak:

"I said we've drawn down," McCain said at a news conference. "The rest of them will be home at the end of July."

I guess he really did mix up his verb tenses, and continues to do so. Yeesh.

Posted by: Scott in NC | May 30, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

McCain on sleeping pills? Say it ain't so.

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Yep. McCain is on Ambien and it has serious side effects:

"Ambien can cause side effects that may impair your thinking or reactions. More serious side effects may include temporary amnesia, drug dependence, withdrawal symptoms when the drug is stopped after being used on a regular basis, excessively outgoing or aggressive behavior, confusion, agitation, strange behavior, hallucinations, depression, and suicidal thoughts."

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That may explain McCain's recent bizarre behaviour and confusion. This could also be a security risk for a future President of the United States.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

and it's long and it's hard and it's tough and there will be setbacks."

Exact same words that the Evil Bush uses! Keep it up McBush!

Also, how many suicide attempts has McCain made? Can someone answer that, since the stenography core at the Post don't want to tell us.

Posted by: GOP Street Against Bush Mafia | May 30, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Why does he look like a deer in headlights every time he gives a speech?

What's with the blank look and Super-Artificial podium striking?

McCain's Lame.

He's Out of Touch, Dude.

Posted by: McLame's Old | May 30, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain on sleeping pills? Say it ain't so.

With due respect, if he cannot sleep now as one of the carefree members of a hundred-strong privileged club that is the US Senate, how is he going to sleep when the weight of the world is on his tired old shoulders? He'll need heavy sedation.

Who will answer that ominous phone call at 3AM?

Posted by: holywoodog | May 30, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

More proof McSame is too old for the Presidency.

News flash to Red Bushies: only competent non-senile candidates wanted!

Posted by: Will in Seattle | May 30, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting to see people blindly believe in those who just promise and has not spend their life serving the country. Clinton and McCain have spent their life working for people. Obama has only promises so far. No experience. No dedication. Think about hiring a bright young individual who comes to your company without knowing anything. Think about hiring a passionate unskilled person to fix your car because he says he loves to fix it. Think about giving the company CEO position to a person without any evidence that he will dedicate to serve the company's interest.

America will lose 4 years going nowhere with this passionate young guy. Stop being naive. A passion without proven dedication is not qualified. A passion without skills is useless. Wake up America.

Posted by: Nam | May 30, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

My son is at a forward outpost with the USMC...My family and my church are supplying school supplies for the village. Hearts and minds? Kiss my ass GWB.

Posted by: willandjansdad | May 30, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Scott McClellan, Bush/cheney enabler, American traitor and domestic terrorist, just discredited the entire GOP reason for going to war with Iraq in the first place.

Yet the brain dead McSame is trying to use this discredited argument against Obama.

Come November, the GOP is toast! Toast! Toast!

Posted by: Kevin Schmidt | May 30, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm personally tired of hearing about all these "heroes" who joined the military. I guess my whole family is a Bunch of Regular Heroes, too, then. Dad, Step Dad, Bro, 2 Uncles, 4 Cousins...

We're some HEROIC SOBs !!

Commissary was pretty heroic, too, while it lasted. Not to mention the heroic medical care.

McCain's Daddy AND his GrandDaddy were both 4 star Naval Admirals, so guess what little Johnny did?

That's right. Graduated from the Naval Academy in 1958, earning a nice living as a pilot for about 10 years, until he got shot down bombing "who knows what or who" over Vietnam.

Then, he got tortured. Where's the Hero? Joining the Navy. GREAT.

My little Brother is a Hero, too. Or is he not QUITE as Heroic as John McCain because he hasn't yet entered our current Illegal War?

Man, If only my little bro gets tortured... He's a shoe in for President, I guess.

MY Brother, by the way, didn't join because he wants to be a hero or protect his country or NONE of the BS they try to shovel around.

He couldn't make a living working Part-Time at UPS. (By make a living, I mean pay for his own apartment, pay for a car, food, gas, insurance, nor a cell phone.)

LOTS of poor potential Heroes running around here, I'll tell ya.

John McCain can shove his Heroic story up his pale, lumpy a$$.

A REAL Hero would have protested the Illegal bombing, killing of a million Vietnamese, wasting 50,000 poor American lives...

For ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Maybe we should check in Vietnam for our next President, if all it takes is getting screwed by the Vietnam War. I'm sure there are many more eligible "Candidates" over there, and they didn't ASK for it.

Posted by: Everybody's a F***ing Hero, Now. | May 30, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain on sleeping pills? Say it ain't so.

With due respect, if he cannot sleep now as one of the carefree members of a hundred-strong privileged club that is the US Senate, how is he going to sleep when the weight of the world is on his tired old shoulders? He'll need heavy sedation.

Who will answer that ominous phone call at 3AM?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm personally tired of hearing about all these "heroes" who joined the military.

McCain's Daddy AND his GrandDaddy were both 4 star Naval Admirals, so guess what little Johnny did?

That's right. Graduated from the Naval Academy in 1958, earning a nice living as a pilot for about 10 years, until he got shot down bombing "who knows what or who" over Vietnam.

Then, he got tortured. Where's the Hero? Joining the Navy. GREAT. My little Brother is a Hero, too. Or is he not QUITE as Heroic as John McCain because he hasn't yet entered our current Illegal War?

Man, If only my little bro gets tortured... He's a shoe in for President, I guess.

MY Brother, by the way, didn't join because he wants to be a hero or protect his country or NONE of the BS they try to shovel around.

He couldn't make a living working Part-Time at UPS. (By make a living, I mean pay for his own apartment, pay for a car, food, gas, insurance, nor a cell phone.)

LOTS of poor potential Heroes running around here, I'll tell ya.

John McCain can shove his Heroic story up his pale, lumpy a$$.

A REAL Hero would have protested the Illegal bombing, killing of a million Vietnamese, wasting 50,000 poor American lives...

For ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Maybe we should check in Vietnam for our next President, if all it takes is getting screwed by the Vietnam War. I'm sure there are many more eligible "Candidates" over there, and they didn't ASK for it.

Posted by: Hero, Shmero | May 30, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting to see people blindly believe in those who just promise and has not spend their life serving the country. Clinton and McCain have spent their life working for people.

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Please, get real. Clinton and McCain have spent their life playing politics as usual. They are so totally in bed with lobbyists and special interest they can never function for the good of the country.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what presidential candidates we will be talking about four years from today.

Posted by: Barbara | May 30, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Mike, perhaps I overlooked the irony in your response to Michael - instead of explaining why it wasn't an ad hominem attack, you launched an ad hominem attack on him, by suggesting that he didn't know what one was. How clever!

Posted by: nevek | May 30, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

The medical report released by McCain -- for 3 hours -- revealed that Johnnie is on sleeping pills. I think this is a extremely disturbing and needs to be further investigated. How is this guy going to ready for a crisis at 3 am if he is zonked on sleeping pills?

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Scott in NC wrote: 'The McCain camp says he mixed up his "verb tenses."'

Um, ya, right. So instead of "We have drawn down to pre-surge levels," what did he really mean to say?

"We had drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

"We would have drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

"We will have drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

"We won't have drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

If this explanation makes any sense to anybody, please help me out with this."
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OBVIOUSLY he meant to use the future perfect progressive tense.

"In 100 Years, we will have been drawing our troops down since this summer..." or something like that.

: )

Posted by: moi | May 30, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama should demand that McCain have a psyche exam. America needs to know if this guy is capable of handling the rigors of being POTUS.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

um, Mike, perhaps you don't know what an ad hominem attack is, because that is a perfect example. When you can't win an argument on the merits, attack your opponent's experience and motivation.

Posted by: nevek | May 30, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Every time John McCain opens his mouth we see how feeble his brain is. I think he is worse than Bush in his ability to stick to a lie. But so far, he's hanging in there on this one. Maybe it has something to do with his age.

Posted by: infuse | May 30, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse


Ha Ha. Everytime McCain attacks Obama, he screws up, displays his ignorance and then Obama smacks him down.

Obama couldn't have asked for a better opponent. This is gonna be fun!

Posted by: moi | May 30, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Where was McCain when Bush and Cheney were lying and misleading the country to war with Iraq? He was totaling in the tank with them.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

McCain is already showing the first signs of senility -- confusion, forgetfulness, frustration, anger. I suspect by November he will be a basketcase -- Lieberman and Cindy Lou will be taking all questions.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

You wrote:


This is rich coming from a candidate that thinks there are 57 states making up the United States of America! How many hearing has Obama held on Afghanistan in his Senate committee? When was he last in Iraq? The only thing Obama knows about Iraq is what he reads in the NYT.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 30, 2008 4:26 PM

Mike:
Why you guys put so much importance to Iraq or Afganisthan? How many of your candidates have visited India , China or for that matter Brazil? I don't know why war, Iraq, Afganisthan carry so much importance in US election. How about us? common people who don't know whether they will be able to feed their kids that day or not.

Posted by: BDG | May 30, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Eve - Given that you know so much about John McCain, please tell us why he was the only non-injured person to be transferred off the USS Forrestal WITH the wounded? And why was he transferred off the carrier within a couple of hours before the investigation into the mishap even started when he was one of those involved?

Maybe you'd like to start with "Because his daddy and granddaddy were ..."

Posted by: infuse | May 30, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

It's revealing that McCain did not respond but his spokesman Tucker Bounds did. I suspect the McCain campaign is getting more and more concerned about the increasing number of verbal gaffes McCain is making.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

McCorpse, is hopelessly out of touch. He may being playing the senior citizen cards. He generally gets a pass for his blunders and misstatements. It's one thing to mix up dates for insignificant events but on a major issue costing Americans thousands of lives, tens of thousands of grave injuries, and billions of dollars it's unacceptable. Either he is just clueless or he is using the same Bush tactics with more smoke screen mirrors.

Posted by: Mike | May 30, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Senility.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

eve, I find it a bit hypocritical for you to call everyone who reads the Washington Post "liberal fruitcakes" and insinuate they have not educated themselves on all the candidates and then say that others need to learn respect.

Posted by: grassy123 | May 30, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"Once again McCain launches an ad hominem attack masquerading as an argument ("Barack Obama has no experience with [U.S. troop levels in Iraq], and has shown zero interest in learning about").

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That's not an ad hominem attack at all. Do you know what an ad hominem attack is?

Posted by: Mike | May 30, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

"Once again McCain launches an ad hominem attack masquerading as an argument ("Barack Obama has no experience with [U.S. troop levels in Iraq], and has shown zero interest in learning about").

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That's not an ad hominem attack at all. Do you know what an ad hominem attack is?

Posted by: Mike | May 30, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Current number of troops in iraq: 155,000

Security contractors (Blackwater etc.): 35,000

Contrators supporting troops: 150,000

Total armed troops: 190,000

Total Troops and troop Support: 340,000

Posted by: Yar | May 30, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

ha, ha, if anyone still didn't know who reads washington post they could find out now. a bunch of "i'm wiser, more intelligent, and overall better than anyone who ever walked the planet earth" liberal fruitcakes!
why respect a man who committed his life to this country, suffered unimaginable pain for his country, lived such an incredible, full life? oh never mind, you don't know anything about his life, because you only educate yourselves about liberals. anyone who thinks different than you is evil, right?
and by the way, i haven't decided who to vote for.
some of you really need to learn some RESPECT.

Posted by: eve | May 30, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I strongly believe John McCain is dead wrong on his foreign policy stances, including the war in Iraq (and Iran). I think it would be a terrible mistake to elect him to be president.

However, I also believe he is a patriot deserving respect. Just because we may not agree with him does not give us the right to question his patriotism or call him riduculous names. Obama will make (has made) mistakes too.

Although I strongly support Obama, I am not willing to throw dirt on someone merely for political gain or convenience. Let's keep it about the issues and the leadership styles of the candidates. This election will shape the direction of our country because these candidates have very different approaches to both foreign and domestic policy.

If we as citizens cannot raise the level of discourse, how can we expect the candidates and elected officials to do so?

Posted by: grassy123 | May 30, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

There are currently more than 150,000 servicemen and women in Iraq, versus the 130,000 that were there before George Bush's "surge."

This means that John Mc Cain can't keep track of 20,000 U.S. servicemen and women. And then his staff tries to minimize it as "nitpicking"?

Mc Cain has shown that he's K Street's man, that he will say anything to be president, and that he doesn't know Sunnis from Shiites. Did he make a reference to the long-defunt League of Nations the other week? Who does that?

That's not somebody I want as commander in chief.

Posted by: LH | May 30, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for fact checking.

Posted by: Sara B. | May 30, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Re: McCain_08

Another evidence that he actually wrote his posting:

"I can tell you and look you in the eye and say that..."

Watch his speech and the posting!

Posted by: Rich | May 30, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Very well done, Scott in NC!

Posted by: abqcleve | May 30, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Re: McCain_08

This comment must be written by John McCain: See the second para. that says "my opponent." No supporters would say that.

Posted by: Mark | May 30, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

The number of troops or progress made in Iraq does not matter: McCain authorized the war, along with Hillary, based on false intelligence as Bush acknowledged.

The issue is about judgment--not experience.

The so-called "McCain's Watch" waiting to see Senator Obama visiting Iraq is part of his GRAND plan to kill Obama and then blame everything to Iraqi insurgents.

Any Americans know, by now, that the only way for him to win in the election is to force Obama to visit Iraq and then cover up his death as an accident.

His is watch is called Death Watch.

PS. By the way Senator McCain, in his latest press conference in WI, said that he would gradually reduce the troops--a major shift from "staying 100 years" and then "by 2012."

Posted by: JM | May 30, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

'The McCain camp says he mixed up his "verb tenses."'

Um, ya, right. So instead of "We have drawn down to pre-surge levels," what did he really mean to say?

"We had drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

"We would have drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

"We will have drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

"We won't have drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

If this explanation makes any sense to anybody, please help me out with this.

Posted by: Scott in NC | May 30, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain_08 funny.

Posted by: TackyParker | May 30, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

My friends, my opponent Barack Hussien Obama apparently does not know that 140,000 troops is less than the 130,000 we had before the surge. I AM MORE EXPERIENCED IN MILITARY MATTERS (although my math sucks)!

My friends, my opponent Barack Hussien Obama wants to consider the feelings of the Iraqis. Although our country pledged to leave Iraq if asked, I insist we must ignore all the protests, polls, and requests to leave from key Iraqi leaders.

My friends, I promised to start no more wars in the middle east for oil. Instead, I will fight on with THIS war for oil until we have bullied the Iraqis into submission and can get all the oil we want from there.

My friends, forget the war in Afghanistan because we must devote our resources to Iraq. Everyone knows that Osama bin Laden has weak kidneys and will soon kick the bucket anyway, so why devote our resources against al Quada and the Taliban? Let them win. Our fight is the truly honorable fight, and that's for oil.

My friends, don't vote for Obama because if he's our next president, I can assure you that gay terrorists will come for your guns and your bibles.

My friends, I can tell you and look you in the eye and say that competance in government is not what America needs. My friends, balanced budgets, health care, and saving Social Security are not important. A tone deaf hawkish foreign policy is what America wants.

Posted by: McCain_08 | May 30, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Rory's suggests that a vote for Obama is a vote for some form of "20th Century socialism." Pretty strong stuff. Which of Obama's policies, specifically, represent a return to "20th Century socialism"? Moreover, is there a distinction between "20th Century" socialism and other kinds of socialism?

Posted by: Michael | May 30, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

The age factor is something to take into consideration with John McCain's comments. He forgot that he was against the Bush tax cut before being against; he forgot about the Sunnis and Shias in Iraq even if he travelled in the area a couple of times; and he now forget about the troop levels after commenting on them on the campaign trail. The age factor is something to take into consideration with John McCain's memory leaks.

Posted by: Logan | May 30, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM MACAIN, HE WAS THE WORST IN HIS CLASS, ALL THE TIME. BEING OLD DOES NOT MAKE HIM SMARTER

Posted by: VIDAL | May 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Attacking McCain because he might be inaccurate about troop levels? Hell, Obama probably doesn't even know what "the surge" was or that it has been a smashing success. He surrendered to al-Qaeda in Iraq years ago along with most Democrats. And - newsflash - he also thinks there are 57 states in America. One can only assume that at least 7 of those are where he gets his alternate universe factual advisors from, like the one who indicated Auschwitz was liberated by Americans (wrong) and that a tornado killed 10,000 Americans recently (not a chance). A vote for Obama is a vote for stunning ignorance larded with heavy doses of discredited 20th century socialism. I'm no fan of McCain, but watching Obama incompetently lurch from one stupid blunder to the next is like watching a broke-winged pigeon flop about in central park.

Posted by: Rory | May 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Once again McCain launches an ad hominem attack masquerading as an argument ("Barack Obama has no experience with [U.S. troop levels in Iraq], and has shown zero interest in learning about").

Thin gruel, indeed. After 8 years of this diet, the American people have had enough.

Posted by: Michael | May 30, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

While I am definitely no fan of Juan McShame, this article is misleading in its 'incompleteness'. And as for the posters here, it is staggeringly stupid to posit that Juan is less knowledgeable about ANYTHING than B-Hussein. Only true Kool-Aid drinkers could take THAT position. Switch to iced tea, would you please?

Posted by: PJ | May 30, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse


RE McCainnn

He's a liar. He's a major phony and a liar.

We've known him primarily as the 5th of the Keating Five, who ratted so not to be indicted.

AND why, for all the years he's "talked" and talked and talked on all those subjects, was it necessary to get a bus and scream STRAIGHT TALK.

Protests too much. And furthermore, has a problem with truth and women.

We will hear more of it.

Posted by: Lazarus | May 30, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why some people are advocates of staying in Iraq..If you put America first..not Corp greed but America and its' citizens there is no logical reason to stay in Iraq. Maybe if the ones who want to continue fighting regardless of their age would be sent to Iraq to fight in that dust bowl maybe they would change their tune.

Posted by: lg | May 30, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

well, McCain is supposed to be the expert on military things, but here again, he failed the test miserably.

People must understand that he was brainwashed during his 5-year captivity in Hanoi and is very likely a Hanoi Candidate....ready to destroy America if he's elected. He's very, very unstable and very, very dangerous!!!

Don't be fooled by his supposed military expertise....because we can see once or twice every week or so, that he really doesn't know what he's talking about!!

HANOI CANDIDATE....BRAINWASHED by VIET CONG....
HANOI CANDIDATE....BRAINWASHED by VIET CONG....
HANOI CANDIDATE....BRAINWASHED by VIET CONG....