The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

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I worry about the future of this country, not because of any presidential elections but because of the stupidity and cupidity I read in the "comments' section of these news articles.

I don't think the issue is how great a loan this guy got.

The issue is that this guy is clearly an insider, a point lost seemingly lost or ignored by so many who claim Obama is for change and is going to change the way DC works.

Now how does this happen if he brings an insider on board to help him pick a VP? It defies logic (of course that's assuming one not only has a brain but dares to use it as well).

Actually, it's because I have researched and looked facts us for myself that I know what you are posting is untrue.

Obama does not support reparations and did not author a call for them. That is an obvious lie.

There is no Michelle Obama video. That is a hoax, with multiple obvious errors in the claimed circumstances of the non-existent video. Obvious lie.

The Keating 5 is an ethics scandal involving McCain, which does have quite a bit to it. Obvious and easily checked truth.

Your lies reflect very poorly on McCain's campaign. If your candidate was that good, you wouldn't have to lie. Of course, given that most people are on Obama's side of the issues, it does make it harder for you.

It's pretty clear from reading these posts that those of you supporting BHO do not read or looks up facts for themselves. If they did, they would understand the troubling judgement that BHO has displayed over his short life. He is the epitome of TAX and SPEND. He will push the National Coalition for Reparations for Black Americans. Look that up. It was authored by Obama, Wright (the one that also got $15M from the federal gov in the last 20 years) Phleger, Carruthers, and others with close ties to THE CHURCH. This will be just one more big $$$ being promised to the blacks for their vote.

What about the Keating 5? I've studied it and...............??? In other words a non-issue.

BHO has shown his beliefs and judgement in his voting record (12 yes no votes for things that will benefit blacks) and about 100 present votes. Didn't vote. Can't understand the bills possibly?

And, if you really want to see how he feels about the black Americans, check out how he got elected into his first two public seats. By robbing his "brother". Just go to the Chicago Tribune and search BHO's name. There are also videos out there. And don't forget that he wants to legalize drugs. You can find that video too. Go to youtube and search for Obama drugs.

I believe that when the Michelle video's are posted and her college thesis is posted, you will gain great insight. Those of you who are voting for more than just a color in an empty suit.

Please, Obama's history reads like a Stephen King book. Horrors.

First I would like to say, God is neither a
Democrat or a Republican. He will not choose the American President. The people have that responsibility. I wondered how long after Senator Clinton left the race it would take for the hate and suspicion to turn on Senators Obama and McCain. Free speech is a cherished "right" for us in this wonderful country. I hate to see such a right used to vilify and judge another person who is unable to reply.

the most bizzare thing lamented by libby (that you lefties out there) is that the media at any level has a anything other than a huge left, socialist bias. How can you, with a strait face, having done even the most cursory research, say this ?

Some 77% of news stories in the last 30 years have a left leaning spin. What those of you in LaLa land can't see is that the opinion you think is yours, isn't. It's the media socialist opinion.

The reason the media loves Hussein is 1, because in the pea sized brains, they find it easy to sensationalize and 2, because anything bad for tradtional USA is good for their cause.

But hey, dont worry kids, we are alllmost no differant than all the other armpit countries out there. Hooray for you.

Actually, corporations can't donate to campaigns, so figures giving amounts from corporations are in error.

Made up, in other words.

On the other hand, the Keating Five is not made up. Look that one up.

Who is running for President? James Johnson? No...

The repubs are going to try to throw anything to try to distract us from what is going on in our Country under a republican administration.

The economy is badly damaged [hey, I wonder if there is a connection between $135 a barrel oil and the fact that we invaded and trashed one of the leading oil producing countries in the world?). Do you think a de-stabalized Middle East has anything to do with $4 a gallon?

America's standing around the globe is badly damaged.

Yes, the repubs are going to try to distract us from the badly damaged situation they have put us in.

Don't be distracted.

Of course, the real issue is the millions in hidden compensation Johnson took from Fannie Mae. Its all in a public congressional report. Its not slander, if its the truth folks.

The Post in this instance should do its own reporting. This is gleaned from the Wall Street Journal, which under Rupert Murdoch has blurred the line between its formerly non-ideological news reporting and Neanderthal Right editorial staff. I'm sure the KKK has a Web site, too. Stop being so lazy, stenographer.

Mccain is more familiar so I"ll take my chances with him. I neither like or trust hussien obama.

Just the first of many new scandals to come. Let the fun begin! And we Clinton supporters will sit on the sidelines, cheering "we told you so."

Well this is his lack of judgement If Blagovich had not been so close to Rezko he would be the one running for Pres.

Obama is another in a long line of criminally connected politicians. As much as he claims "new and improved" he is just as slimy as all of the rest of our corrupt politicians. It's just a shame the US media gives him a free pass.

Obama is another in a long line of criminally connected politicians. As much as he claims "new and improved" he is just as slimy as all of the rest of our corrupt politicians. It's just a shame the US media gives him a free pass.

Ahhhh-Haaaa.

Obama is proving himself the phoney con-man we all thought he might be.

Take that to the election booth.

Posted by: Gordito Mojito

Who's "we," Tonto? Your post shows as much perspicacity and evidence as a mud pie. Go back to playing with yourself.

Sandy,
what do you know that no one else knows? I wish and hope
that therre is a tape and it will come out and knock obama
off his throne! Get it out there please!

My mortgage rate is below average, because our credit rating is excellent.

I am a supporter of Barack Obama. I have even made financial contributions to his campaign.

SHHHH! Don't tell anybody!

It amazes me how people try to make something out of nothing. If only they would put all that effort into alternative fuels...

So has it really come to this? That every single person who works on either campaign has to undergo an FBI background check? This is getting absurd. Both these guys have "advisors" who are in Business, and they will have ethical problems if the standard is so high that only the Pope could pass the impossible "clean as a whistle" background check (oh wait, the Pope WAS a Hitler Youth...)

Obama is the fresh face, it's all about change. The masses yearn for a leader who is honest and full of integrity. Yet in his short political career, our new messiah has managed to take contributions from a terrorist, be nurtured by a race baiting preacher, and get his own "discounted" land deal a la Rezko. No matter that we have been warned about devils in sheeps clothing, we still hope against home that the one has come.

I have obviously wandered into the Playroom here - this generalised, fact-free, self-serving bollix about the horrors of "Who said, Who did..." only reinforces the sadness that so many other democracies feel for your current political morass and social situation.
How can your nation expect to reclaim your self-appointed role as Ruler of the Free World without at least pretending to be rational and reasonable adults - with a minimum of having read the facts of this election, the characters and choices for November.
regards from China,
PWH Brit expat

Ok ... so the Republicons are trying to make an issue out of the fact that the Fannie Mae CEO and Obama advisor got loans from Countrywide? I'm pretty sure the Fannie MAE CEO has pretty good credit, and I'm pretty sure his good credit will get him "blow market average" loans. I didn't see anything about him not keeping up with his payments on his loans. This sounds like a total non-issue bordering on kneejerk desperation by a confused and disoriented republicon slander machine.

I am equally surprised, as a former Fannie Mae employee, that the Obama camp would select Jim Johnson as their chief headhunter for selecting a vice president. You are absolutely correct regarding your concerns about Jim Johnson who Frank Raines took over from at Fannie Mae. Many of us former employees, strongly believe that Jim Johnson's reign was also very much apart of the financial woes of the corporation's very large accounting scandal. To say the least, we are not impressed with this selection and disappointed. I also agree that Jim Johnson represents the wheelers and dealers that Obama says he is going to fight. NVTL, they say that's Washington where there are many contradictions, politics as usual, and no permanent enemies; just permanent interest. Change indeed. The trick is to be able to rise above the usual guard and make a difference. We shall be watching.

Please print more facts and less innuendo.

How far below average were the rates? How many loans did he make in all? How much money did he borrow at above average rates? What were the rates? - Posted by: AmericanVoice

Here's the dope.

Loan Amt Date His Rate Avg Rate
392,500 Oct '98 6.375% 6.2%
1,300,000 Nov '01 5.25% 6.0%
971,650 Jun '03 3.875% 4.3%

information courtesy Wall Street Journal

Seems to me the rates for the second and third loans were half to three-quarter percent below the average market rate. Seems to me Caesar's wife should be above suspicion.

Particularly if Caesar has been promoting himself as a "different kind of politician", and railing against "federal" lobbyists.

Of course this is MINOR compared to McCain's economic advisor, Phil Gramm. Phil Gramm wrote the majority of McCain's Economic Policy info sheet & then taught him what to say. Up until April, Gramm was the top lobbyist for USB (well known for their predatory mortgage lending practices). When he was a U.S. Senator from Texas, Gramm spearheaded efforts to pass banking reform laws, including the landmark Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in 1999, which modernized Depression-era laws separating banking, insurance and brokerage activities. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act started the deregulation of Mortgage lending, the direct result of which is our current housing crisis.

As McCain admits he doesn't know much about the economy...it is scary to think that he leans on Gramm for advise in this area. The same Gramm who sold the American Public down the river.

Obama has made his first important choices as a candidate for President and falls on his face. Kennedy was more of a ceremonial pick thanking Ted. Eric Holder circumvented the pardon process by approving Mark Rich pardon. Now, this guy and his baggae. This should open our eyes to the types of people in an Obama cabinet.

Johnson may be worthy of being dropped before long if this is true.

Sandy:
We been waiting on this Michelle video for months. No Quarter has been dropping these crumbs and NoBamas have followed this trail into the desert, where they are all lost and looking for Moses to take them home. fergit it.

jazzman47:
Is it possible to have a negative numeral when counting your "friends"? Will we see an economic rise from the production of new buses which will be needed to throw his "not the same (blank) I knew"? Is it possible to create a black hole by throwing so many folks under the buses? So many questions, so much time until Nov. lol

Explosive new details from Michelle Obama's "whitey" video will be released soon. Stay tuned!

I think all afro americans will rise up and defend the brother.

Just the same-o same-o. Who cares.
If Obama wants to milk the cow let him.

wah,wah,wahhhhh.

Ah, the love Obama posters here never cease to amaze, especially the one who stated it didn't matter what rate Johnson got on his loans. Nothing like thinking there are some people more deserving than yourself. Incredible. This is just the beginning, by the time November com around if not sooner the DNC will rue their Saturday delegate coup against Hillary Clinton. But it will be too late and they will be stuck with this turkey!

I find it pretty interesting that the last paragraph of the article states that Jim Johnson who is said to be guiding Obamas search for vice president is a very highly connected Bilderburger, a trilateral commission member, and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Obama is nothing more than another toad for the march to the New world Order.Goodbye soverign America... voting doesnt matter... Obama, Mccain, Clinton whoever We dont choose our leaders, (the Ultra elite, the Illinated one's.. the private banks... the fed reserve.. the media owned by such and international business corperations) the special interests are choosing our potential leaders. by the time these people are brought up to the level for us to vote on them they have already been preordained by the illuminattito further there agenda of world control. Bush Sr then Bush jr both Bonesmen have told us in speeches that the goal of a new world order is coming good bye Sovereign America...goodbye constitution its already being gutted at a rapid pase by stuff like the patriot act and FEMA plans.. The North American Union kicked into gear by ole Bubba Clinton via nafta is soon approching... goodby dollar hello "Amero" And you will never get to vote on any of it
Just like Europe and the Euro currecy ocentralized goverment centralized banking centralized control.

There is no doubt the man has good ideas, excellent rhetoric, a great delivery, and hopefully, the best intentions.

The problem for us is who is this guy? What does he really stand for? Are we being manipulated with what we want to hear? Should we as a nation take him on blind faith? Some many questions, so few real answers and we let him get by with it.

Really, can he be so squeaky clean? He has been packaged well and positioned perfectly for our turbulent time but what is the price we will have to pay. Doesn't that bother you?

Politics make for strange bed-fellows. It never fails, things will come out. They are slowly but it is being rationalized.

We seem as a nation to be looking for someone to snap their fingers and everything will be OK and we will be in Utopia. There is no doubt the man has good ideas, good rhetoric, a great delivery, and hopefully the best intentions.

The problem for us is who is this guy? What does he really stand for? Are we being manipulated with what we want to hear? Do we as a nation take him on blind faith?

Really, can he be so squeaky clean? He is packaged well and positioned perfectly for our turbulent time but what is the price we will have to pay.

Politics make for strange bed-fellows. It never fails, things will come out.

We seem as a nation to be looking for someone to snap their fingers and everything will be OK and we will be in Utopia.

What is really scary about Obama is that not enough has come out. We need the reality. We do not know who this guy is.

Hillary and Bill know something and were waiting for reality to come to the surface.

Why do you think she stayed in it so long? They know something. Time just ran out.

Blame the media; they are playing to the public's need for a savior and the story. Obama and Brittney would be the ideal ticket for the media.

Do not ignore that little man on your shoulder saying something just is not right.

Hopefully, it will all come to the surface so we can make the best choice.

One thing about McCain. It is what it is.

What is really scary about Obama is that not enough has come out. We do not know who this guy is.

Hillary and Bill know something and were waiting for reality to come to the surface.

Do you think she stayed in it so long? Time just ran out.

Blame the media; they are playing to the public's need for a savior and the story. Obama and Brittney would be the ideal ticket for the media.

Do not ignore that little man on your shoulder saying something just is not right.

Hopefully, it will all come to the surface so we can make the best choice

He receieved low rates ( lower then the lowest being offered by Countrywide Financial at the time) because he was listed as a friend of Mozillo. Mozillo by the way is the CEO of Countrywide. You guys that doubt this or are questioning this look at the various news media, including the NYT. He of course was not the only one but he is a key advisor to Obama. The others who recieved the same treatment are not advisors to any campaign. He, Johnson, was the head of Fannie Mae, the quasi government mortgage lender and recieved this preferential treatment while in that capacity. Expand your knowledge base and check the facts.

FACTS:

1) Obama attending a white-hate church for 20 years.

2) Tony Rezko was just convicted.

3) Obama started the conversation this morning and McCain finished it tonight.

Inexperience and crooked connections speak volumes for Obama's charactor and his inability to tell the truth... in all 57 states.

the operative word here is "IF" James Johnson was involved in mortgage wrong doing with Country Wide while Fanny Mae chief. Maybe he did maybe he didn't. For this he faces scrutiny as well he should. In the mean time we will continue to deal with the Facts and tell the Truth.

James A Johnson is not only an American Friend of Bilderbergers he is a Bilderberger and attended the Bilderberg Group meeting of 2008 which occured over the last four days.

Why hasn't the WaPo or any other mainstream media outlet reported on this event even though the WaPo CEO attended the meeting?

What follows is a list of just a few of the prominent US attendees of the secretive meeting. Doesn't anybody see a conflict of interest here?

USA, Graham, Donald E., Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company

USA, Gigot, Paul, Editorial Page Editor, The Wall Street Journal

USA, Johnson, James A., Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC (Obama's man tasked with selecting his running mate)

USA, Kissinger, Henry A., Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.

USA, McDonough, William J., Vice Chairman and Special Advisor to the Chairman, Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.

USA, Paulson, Jr., Henry, M. Secretary of the Treasury

USA, Perle, Richard N., Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research

USA, Rice, Condoleezza, Secretary of State

USA, Rockefeller, David, Former Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank

USA, Schmidt, Eric, Chairman of the Executive Committee and CEO, Google

USA, Shultz, George P., Thomas W. and Susan B. Ford Distinguished Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University

USA, Wolfowitz, Paul, Visiting Scholar, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research

INT Zoellick, Robert B. President, The World Bank Group

RadianChalant don't yuo know that when you pray you are just making a long distance phone call with no one on theother end.
Be serious . if there was a god there would be no Obama or McCain or Clinton in the running for the white house. He would have clean the dirt from congress and the federal govt long before now.
Be safe send yuor religious donations to me. I'll gurantee you half of it back .

OBAMA WANTS TO GET ELECTED. HE WILL THROW YOU AND YOUR CHANGE TO THE CURB AS QUICKLY AS HE'S THROWN HIS PASTOR, ECON-ADVISOR AND GRANDMOTHER.

DEMOCRAT CONGRESS=17% APPROVAL RATING. PRESIDENT BUSH IS AT 23%

ECON-101: OBAMA WANTS TO DOUBLE A GOVERNMENT THAT SPENDS OVER $3 BILLION A DAY. THAT'S A JOB PRODUCER.

HUMANITIES-101: PERHAPS WE SHOULD HAVE ALLOWED HUSSAIN TO KILL ANOTHER 1-MILLION PEOPLE? THAT'S ETHICAL.

POLI-SCI-101: MAYBE WE SHOULD BAIL ON TRADING PARTNERS LIKE COLUMBIA FOR POLICAL EXPEDIENCY?

If Americans feels so let down by government spending during the Bush years why in the world would you vote for a guy who PROMISES to raise your taxes and make you less competitve in a world market?

Equality at the Expense of Liberty is Communism.

I don't understand McCain and the republican party handling hussian with such kid gloves. The man has enough trashing of whites behind him he should never have even gotten into the state house muchless senate or as a presidential nominee.
Were I McCain I would go after him with jermia wright's name on every mention of hussian's name. Hussian has tons of stuff behind him which would show the world just what they are dealing with and it isn't leadership material.
The whole world is laughing at the United States and the democratic party in particular for their "barack hussian obama " issue. we have becoem the laughing stock of the planet because of this guy.

RadianChalant,

There are no gods. Your prayers are ineffective. Better do some research instead.

ApostasyUSA if you check the records in cogressional voting I think you'll find Hussian has about the same voting average as does all congresspersons on bills either usless ment to profit people like Hussian themselves.
All this change he keeps refering to hasn't happened while he is (still senator)in office and did not happen while he was in the state office. he's a liar if he says he's made any change. about the only change he made was in getting federal taxpayer funds to the anti-white catholic dummie who was taking over hussian's favorite preachers job..

Sen. Obama has received $1.18 million from subprime lenders and has taken more campaign contributions from the top ten issuers of subprime loans. Sen. Obama has a record of talking about standing up to special interests and then caving to their demands. Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans:
Obama received $266,907 from Lehman.
Obama received $5395 from GMAC.
Obama received $150,850 from CS 1st.Boston
Obama received $11,250 from Countrywide.
Obama received $90,520 from Washington Mutual
Obama received $161,850 from Citigroup.
Obama received $4600 from CBASS.
Obama received $170,050 from Morgan Stanley.
Obama received $1150 from Centex.
Obama has raised more than his opponents from executives of some of the corporate interests he criticizes. Despite saying "I don't take pharmaceutical money,"
Obama has received more money than any other candidate from people who work at pharmaceutical and health product companies, according to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics.

Please print more facts and less innuendo.

How far below average were the rates? How many loans did he make in all? How much money did he borrow at above average rates? What were the rates?

tsk...

Don't forget the Keating Five scandal that McCain was involved in!

Dave, my boy.... review McCain's top economics advisor's role in not only THIS mortgage crisis, but also his role in ENRON. Yes, no one's going to have squeeky clean, but McCain's camp is almost as bad as the bevy of dirt surrounding Bush.

In God We Trust! At least some of us do. If we pray for a good leader, God will answer our prayers. We must have faith, hope and charity. I believe Barack Obama will do a fine job if he is the one God leads to the Presidency, otherwise, he will choose John McCain. We need to stop looking for the bad in people and search for the good. I will continue to pray to God (in the name of Jesus) and let him work.

Not like the Clinton Chronicles (www.youtube.com) NOT.

Sounds like the Clinton Chronicles (youtube it) NOT. I just wonder who's digging, digging with the only mentality they have of character assasination? hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Tempest in a teapot if I ever saw one.

The Republicans are so filthy dirty that they're desperate to find a little mud on Obama. Before it was the "friend of a friend" attack ("you once knew someone who did something bad!") and now it's the "less than ethically perfect staffer"-gate. I mean, "below average" loan rates? The horror! Only about 50% of all people get "below average" loan rates!

Run for the hills!

If this is all the Republicans can come up with, November is going to be a massacre of epic proportions. Congratulations President Obama!

Keep digging Republican toe tappers!
Good luck!

Hmmmmmmm....where have Republicans failed America?...........

Ethics: Abramoff Scandals, Libby outs a CIA operative, Gonzo politicizes Justice, and just about anyone in the White House could be labeled a liar, torture, extraordinary rendition, non FISA wiretaps.....etc........

Foreign Policy: Iraq war, AQ still on the loose, Bin Laden still on the loose; and are we safer?..................

Responsive Government: Katrina, bungling Iraq war intelligence, maybe even bungling the 9/11 intelligence......etc.......

I'm going to do everything in my power to see that Republicans LOSE in the next elections. I mean across the board, state legislatures to the White House, there is no longer a place for Republicans in the world I want to live in.

The Republican of today is an indefensible talking point repeating polarizer of nations, which in my mind no longer deserves quarter.

I would think that Mr. Obama is trying to surround himself with people knowledgeable in economics.
All staffers on both sides are going to be targets for scandals.

I don't care about his rates he probably has so much money now that it is moot.

I just want someone to get us out of the mess we are in right now. And if this man is as smart as everyone says he is maybe we all should just wait and see.

If there is something fishy going on don't you think we will find out about it sooner rather then later.

here's Obama's response, I guarantee: "He's not the James Johnson I knew". By the time his campaign is over, he'll know less people then he did before.

We the people of the 57 States of America believe in the redistribution of goods and services (unless you're in the senate) in order to form a perfect marxist union.

20 years for which is stands and the lincoln bedroom goes to Farahkahn.

one nation under islam and justice ONCE-and-for-all.

Good Night and Allah bless us. President Barak Hussain Obama.

I love it!

This is all we are going to hear from Republicans until Nov.

We should be talking about McCain and the issues......

McCain and Republicans were so wrong about Iraq so many times......like

"There's not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shiahs. So I think they can probably get along." [MSNBC, 4/23/03]

...............uh what?......or this precious one:

"I'm confident we're on the right course." [ABC News, 3/7/04]

.................or how about the VETO proof GI bill that McCain is against?

.......many Democrats and many Republicans support that bill. CAN'T DENY THAT RIGHT?........

Why, when Congress finally comes together to agree on something, McCain wants to stand with the Neo-con Republican tragedians of our country to stop the bill? I don't get it...........

McCain has lost his way. He supports bringing the troops home, in body bags for a hundred years...............

He wasn't tortured in Viet Nam, according to his own republican standards; he received advanced interrogation techniques, of which he approves of nowadays.

I would think that Mr. Obama is trying to surround himself with people knowledgeable in economics.
All staffers on both sides are going to be targets for scandals.

I don't care about his rates he probably has so much money now that it is moot.

I just want someone to get us out of the mess we are in right now. And if this man is as smart as everyone says he is maybe we all should just wait and see.

If there is something fishy going on don't you think we will find out about it sooner rather then later.

Ahhhh-Haaaa.

Obama is proving himself the phoney con-man we all thought he might be.

Take that to the election booth.

If this is the only way for the RNC to try and get Obama, then they can kiss the White House goodbye in November. All they can find is garbage about associations...McBush has done things himself (not by association) aka Keating 5. RNC - get a life!

That's funny - about half of all borrowers get rates below average. That's what 'average' means. If this guy had TWO loans 'below average', how many loans did he have that were above average? Two? That would be pretty average, wouldn't it? Is McCain going to disclose which half of his staff got below-average home loans?

OB is a hypocrite. Often time he claims one thing but does something else under the table. Obama is also surrounded himself with people who have questionable deals and background. I don't trust OB.

gotta love it that the morally clean obama camp is soiled by these new revelations....if a top mccain adviser was doing the same thing, obama would be all over the news moralizing about mccain's failure la da d a, and his lackeys on CNN and elsewhere would be jumping on board in support...on another note, would have a word of caution about all the various commenters and pundits talking about Hillary being the next Supreme court nominee...don't forget that she would need senate confirmation, and there is a tremendous amount of hanky panky that would have to be addressed fully in any supreme court process before the US senate...remember how the Dems dumped TX senator tower for Defense secretary, mostly due to tower's drinking problem...and how MO Sen. Ashcroft barely won confirmation as US Atty Genl. when Bush 2 became prez....and turnabout is fair play, the Repubs (and maybe a fair # of Dems) would roast Hillary over the coals on any trip to the supreme court....and she might still not be confirmed by a 51-49 vote....

www.youtube. com/watch?v=3Vb7N2Cr4mk

So What? He got rates below average? Maybe he deserved rates below average based on his risk profile, and not his ties or influence. Give me a break...