Barack Obama
Obama Hits Back at Questions About His Patriotism
Barack Obama, U.S. senator from Illinois and Democratic presidential candidate, speaks at the Truman Memorial Building in Independence, Mo., June 30, 2008. (Bloomberg News)
Updated 5:05 p.m.
By Jonathan Weisman
INDEPENDENCE, MO. -- Dogged by persistent questions about his faith in God and country, Sen. Barack Obama today journeyed to Harry Truman's birthplace to lay out his vision of patriotism, conceding that he has learned in this campaign "the question of who is -- or is not -- a patriot all too often poisons our political debate."
"Throughout my life, I have always taken my deep and abiding love for this country as a given, " Obama said. "It was how I was raised. It was what propelled me into public service. It it why I am running for president. And yet at times over the last 16 months, my patriotism [has been] challenged - at times as a result of my own carelessness, more often as a result of the desire by some to score political points and raise fears about who I am and what I stand for."
The address, at the Truman Memorial Building here, was an extraordinary one for a presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party just four months before election day. Obama has built his candidacy on the promise of change in a political year when the vast majority of Americans feel their nation is on the wrong track. But he has found himself tripping over one of the lowest hurdles a politician faces, the issue of his patriotism.
False assertions have persistently circulated online, claiming incorrectly that Obama will not recite the Pledge of Allegiance, place his hand on his heart for the national anthem or wear an American flag pin on his lapel.
The Obama campaign this month erected a website, Fight The Smears, to combat these false claims about him, even posting videos of the senator from Illinois leading the Pledge of Allegiance as he opened a Senate session. But in some circles -- and especially among the white, working-class voters he has had the most difficulty with -- the beliefs have become ingrained, egged on by Internet videos such as one that pans over Democratic presidential candidates in Iowa with their hands over their hearts during the national anthem. In the video, Obama has his hands crossed in front of him. Another shows Obama's wife, Michelle, saying that for the first time, she is proud of her country.
Obama tried to take the offensive today, proclaiming that he "will not stand idly by" as his patriotism is questioned.
His speech put the issue in a sweeping historical perspective, speaking of charges that Thomas Jefferson had sold the nation out to the French and that John Adams was in cahoots with the British. He also questioned policies enacted in the name of patriotism, from Adams' Alien and Sedition Act, Abraham Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus and Franklin Delano Roosevelt's internment of Japanese Americans.
"The use of patriotism as a political sword or a political shield is as old as the Republic," Obama said. "Still, what is striking about today's patriotism debate is the degree to which it remains rooted in the culture wars of the 1960s -- in arguments that go back 40 years or more. In the early years of the civil rights movement and opposition to the Vietnam War, defenders of the status quo often accused anybody who questioned the wisdom of government policies of being unpatriotic."
Obama was quick to add that the civil rights and anti-war protesters did their part to bring those charges on -- and to make them stick, "by burning flags, by blaming America for all that was wrong with the world, and perhaps most tragically, by failing to honor those veterans coming home from Vietnam, something that remains a national shame to this day."
Obama tried to situate the issue of patriotism in his own, unusual biography, which took a child from Hawaii to Indonesia, from a home headed by a single mother to one led by grandparents, with both parents at times absent.
"For a young man of mixed race, without even a father's steadying hand, it is this essential American idea -- that we are not constrained by the accident of birth but can make of our lives what we will -- that has defined my life, just as it has defined the life of so many other Americans," he said. "That is why for me, patriotism is always more than just loyalty to a place on a map or a certain kind of people. Instead, it's also loyalty to America's ideals, ideals for which anyone can sacrifice, or defend, or give their last full measure of devotion."
When controversy exploded over the fiery sermons of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama showed he could help defuse a political threat when he challenges it head on. His speech on race in Philadelphia in March was hailed for its candor and eloquence, and in the days that followed it, he quickly moved back to the central themes of the primary campaign, the economy and Iraq.
This time, campaign aides say, Obama will stick with the theme of patriotism through the July 4 week, when he travels to conservative leaning regions of western Ohio and the Mountain West.
"I give him credit. He is taking this very seriously," said presidential historian Robert Dallek, who compared Obama's travails to those of John F. Kennedy, which was plagued by whisper campaigns about the divided loyalties of the would-be first Catholic president.
Those anti-Catholic whispers were a real threat to Kennedy, Dallek said, but they were not abetted by the stubborn, unruly Internet, nor were they stoked by the undercurrent of racial suspicion that Obama faces.
Kennedy went on the offensive in 1960, charging that his Republican opponent, then-Vice President Richard M. Nixon, had been weak on Cuba and had allowed a "missile gap" to develop with the Soviet Union.
Democrats appeared to be taking a page from the Kennedy play book. Over the weekend, Gen. (Ret.) Wesley Clark questioned whether presumptive Republican nominee John McCain's record as a fighter pilot and Vietnam prisoner of war really were qualifications to be commander-in-chief. Clark's comments echoed a similar jab by Sen. John. D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.V.), and it triggered a fierce response by the McCain campaign and an effort to put some distance
McCain put up his own website to counter questions over his military service.
Obama added his personal support for McCain's efforts, acknowledging McCain and other wounded veterans, "who have endured physical torment in service to our country."
"No further proof of such sacrifice is necessary," Obama said. "And let me also add that no one should ever devalue that service, especially for the sake of a political campaign, and that goes for supporters on both sides."
Obama's speech was first planned for this spring, when the rumors began to gain ground. At the suggestion of former senator Bill Bradley, Obama had hoped to deliver it in Gettysburg, Pa., a wrenching site for such an address from the first African American nominee of a major party. But the Wright controversy supplanted patriotism with race as Obama's primary concern, and the speech was postponed.
The Obama campaign today denied having had such plans.
After Obama took a private tour of Harry Truman's turn-of-the-century, white Victorian home, he ruminated on his choice of Independence for his speech.
"Not only Truman but Mark Twain embodied a lot of the wisdom of the Midwest," Obama told reporters outside the house. "And so when you think about the Fourth of July, for me at least, I think about the spirit that is this place.... It's a place where there's not a lot of pretense or fuss or trying to use patriotism in ways that divide us. So I thought it was an appropriate setting."
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Posted by: klazzic | July 1, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse
Amazing how Repubs keep trying to frame Obama as someone just as dirty as them. Sorry folks, it just isn't true!
Posted by: Don | July 1, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse
Obama has learned much from Karl Rove. All that we have done is to substitute Obama for Bush and the Obama supporters for the religious right. It doesn't do this democracy any good to have Obama send envoys abroad to ensure foreign governments that all of rhetoric is just political posturing. If you frame Barack's rhetoric in those terms, you get the measure of the man. BTW, I wish the MSM would stop it with the Landmark speech crap. Nothing changed except, it gave the press an excuse to spread Obama propaganda while simultaneously side-stepping the issue.
Posted by: David | July 1, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse
I work hard for my family. I hardly spent that much time with my kids because of work and responsibilities of being an adult. What I think when I read your articles is how stupid are you? Or maybe how can I get a ticket to live in your fantasy land for a while and leave reality behind? It has been a long time since this country has had good candidates for presidents and this year is not offering much better. I am tired of being racist because I am white. I am tired of paying for other people to be on welfare and much less those that are not even legal to live here. I am tired of giving money away when we are so far in debt.
How about we secure our borders first? Then when we stop the wave of millions pouring in we can focus on fixing the inside. Let's make sure that our elders have money for medications and food. Anyone who has served their country deserves the next level of giveaways. Then the sick and the poor. You should not get more of anything for having more babies. 0. It should all be on a time line. My grandparents worked hard or went to bed hungry.
IRS serves no purpose. The federal government should only be for the protection of this country. State laws should out rule federal unless it is matter of national security.
I am tempted to open a cash business and stop participating in the great American give away.
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Don't vote - send that message.
Posted by: I hate liberals | July 1, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse
Obama is a good man, a patriot, and a Christian. He will be the next president of the United States of America. God Bless Mr Obama!
Posted by: Bill Clinton | July 1, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse
Me Gusta Obama mucho porque el es muy inteligente.
McCain no es inteligente, McCain es similar a Bush.
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Posted by: kelly | July 1, 2008 5:53 AM | Report abuse
Two, Four, Six, Eight.
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Obama, Obama, Obama the great!
Posted by: Dr Nick | July 1, 2008 4:33 AM | Report abuse
Republicans,
If you folks don't wish to get serious and cease from these myriad of distractions, you will, in fact, "dig your own grave."
Your party, and what is left of a once greater nation, has been driven into the "ditch."
THINK DAMN IT!
If there was ANYTHING in Baracks background that could be found objectionable (in the least), do you actually believe the CIA, the FBI and the Secret Service would withhold that kind of information? Hell, even Bill Clinton would sabotage him if there were!
Republicans really have no one to turn to; you are conducting yourselves as a lost party and your fear tactics have all been witnessed in past elections.
A handful of you admit that because he is in bi-racial skin, you can not vote for him. While I remind you that is not HIS fault I will also state the your forthrightness, I appreciate. All of this other "crap" you folk are attempting to sell has become old, stale, rotten and no one is buying it.
If you are racist, say so, and be done with it! In the end, you will simply confirm that the Republican party is where you folks are.
No matter how racist you are, this is America where you have a right to stand for who and what you are.
I can defend that; unlike most of you, I already have.
Posted by: Reggie Boykins | July 1, 2008 3:47 AM | Report abuse
what makes me american?
my daddy was a United States Admiral, Submariner and i submitted to lilliputians even though i had the means but not a will to resist.
OR
born south-side chicago, my daddy ain't so rich. my daddy isn't ghetto like americans and my momma is related to dick cheney.
Posted by: egalitaire | July 1, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse
United States Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas;
Barack Obama is too black to be American.
Posted by: egalitaire | July 1, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse
OMG, i can't believe i said this.
will the US DOJ, US DOC, US DOHS come knocking on my door and take me down for talking mad smack?
i bet, if my case were to end up in the US Supreme Court, United States Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas would rule against me because I am TOO BLACK!
Posted by: egalitaire | July 1, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse
What should we do if Obama doesn't pull our troops out of Iraq next year? He promised! People really need to ask him what exactly he will do in the first year if he is the president. He can's get away with it if he fails to keep this promise!
Posted by: Jake | July 1, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse
What should we do if Obama doesn't pull our troops out of Iraq next year? He promised! People really need to ask him what exactly he will do in the first year if he is the president. He can's get away with this promise!
Posted by: Jake | July 1, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse
I am an American fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
faking injuries when I have the means and not the will to annihilate lillipuchans is a viable excuse. after all, lillipuchans gave me medical aid when my brothers didn't get jack squat.
MY DADDY IS A US ADMIRMAL
Posted by: egalitaire | July 1, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse
we need america's flag officers to describe what it takes American Fighting Men to submit to lillipuchans if they have the means and not the will to resist.
Posted by: egalitaire | July 1, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse
Obama is no Muslim, Christian, etc.. He is an atheist like his mother was. He has no faith in God; and he uses religion as a tool to get ahead in life, and when religion don't work for him, he tosses it aside like he did Rev. Wright.
Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse
what makes me american?
my daddy was a United States Admiral, Submariner and i submitted to lilliputians even though i had the means but not a will to resist.
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born south-side chicago, my daddy ain't so rich. my daddy isn't ghetto like americans and my momma is related to dick cheney.
Posted by: egalitaire | July 1, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse
Wow. There is so much unfounded hate here.
Why hate Obama or McCain? Both guys are trying to help their country.
If you feel McCain's economic policy is better, tell us why! That's a lot more helpful.
If you feel his policies are not going to work, tell us which policies, and why!
But here's a hint: 'because he's old', 'because he's a Muslim', or the like don't explain anything.
Try something like "McCain's plans to attack earmarks will help the economy by reducing government spending drastically without handicapping our war efforts. He already has a background of passing this type of legislation. Just reference the campaign finance reform bill."
Or perhaps "Barack Obama has a vision for Washington and for the country which we feel he can carry out. His ability to lead men and women is clear. His ability to build coalitions and inspire people will lead to a new era of involvement from the masses and resume the American marketplace of ideas."
Just examples and my idea of debate that helps. Please people, there's really no reason for all the hate.
Posted by: Doug | July 1, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse
Obama and his supporters use the word RACIST to intimidate anyone from exposing him.
BTW, before any of his supporters try to lecture any of McCain supporters about being racist, I suggest that they first go lecture those 95% Negroes who voted Obama in the primary because he is black.
Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse
CP Cook wrote: "Let's be honest here, it will not be Obama who will get us out of the economic mess we are in. Like it or not, McCain's economic positions are more reasonable. More government intervention, bail-outs and additional taxes will only put us deeper into the recession."
Let's be honest, I agree: you are a Republican talking the same old nonsense that the Republicans and Bush have been selling and pushing onto us for the last 8 years. Let's be honest, it is not working. Let's be honest, we have had enough of these type of economic policies that make the Exxons and Enrons ultra-rich while treating the rest of us like a bag of dirt. Let's be honest: it is these policies that have got us into the mess we are in today. Let's be honest, Obama's economic policies will bring us back to the golden years that we enjoyed during Clinton's presidency which guys like you started out by saying "Don't blame me: I voted for Bush", but then later changed your story to "Clinton got lucky to inherent all the rewards that were set up by Bush economics." Let's be honest, America is not dumb enough to see through this crap and the same old crap you guys are trying to sell. Yes, I agree, honesty is the best policy. Goodbye CP Cook and McCain and the Republican party, your reign on top of American politics is over and gone. America has had enough and we are just not dumb enough to fall for more of the same.
Posted by: Mike | June 30, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse
I love it when Repubs try to cast Obama as a Muslism. That's all they know: deception and slandering, and that's all they are capable of. It just isn't going to work against Obama. America is not that dumb! America is not as dumb as the Republican party!!! so keep trying you idiots!
Posted by: Billy MacIntire | June 30, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse
To SteveCO...
We may disagree with McCain's positions, but we should also remember that at least McCain has a track record. Comapare this with Obama's record, and we should be glad at least McCain is proviing us with a real choice in this election. I don't know about you, but I am not an ideologue (although I trend Democratic). Having said that, to vote for Obama is to vote to another Bush (although now, he is a Democrat!). To vote for an ultra-liberal like Obama with the Dems controlling Congress is like going back to the time when Republicans control everthing. What we now consider as Bush's failures are exactly those that Democrats voted along with. Except for the last vote, Obama voted for Iraq funding. Talk about having political gall! Let's be honest here, it will not be Obama who will get us out of the economic mess we are in. Like it or not, McCain's economic positions are more reasonable. More government intervention, bail-outs and additional taxes will only put us deeper into the recession. Furthermore, what Obama is bringing is economic class warfare. We are all in this together, and once one class of people is pitted against the other will only make everybody worse.
Now about you wrote "I find zero heroism in a man who votes to bankrupt America with hundreds of billions for oil companies, over a *trillion* dollars spent on a war in Iraq started and maintained by sheer lies - yet this same old geezer can vote against health care for poor children in *this* country." This might as well be Obama's speech.... all talk, zero substance. If you want to discuss thngs, discuss but please spare the rest of humanity with empty slogans. BTW, again, I am a Democrat, but empty slogans is one among the big reasons why I can't in good conscience vote for Obama. I would rather cast my lot with somebody who has a sound plan, and has taken positions and acted on issues.
Posted by: CP Cook | June 30, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse
Obama is a democrat...
Patriotism is antithetical to all they hold dear.....antiAmericanism, now that is what Obama has a corner on....ask his minister (ex) ask his wife (current).
Obama is a muslim....it never ends with this guy.......
Posted by: George Dixon | June 30, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse
"Bush seems to think that all of his sins of racism and double standards are excused by so-called "compassionate" conservatism in developing regions.
Because of Bush, many people do not have equal opportunities to employment- and are treated disparately with blatant discirmination.
People are unfairly and dishonestly maligned because of the Bush administration.
Yet Bush spends more money to fight AIDS in Africa, than he spends for domestic problems
Why is it htat some of the recipients of this AID often harbor some of the same prejudices and stereotypes as their American benefactors?
Sort of like the Adventists from Southern Africa who called non-whites - "wenches", etc."
NEWS FLASH TO THOSE LOONEY LIB DOPERS WHO THINK BUSH IS STILL RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT..
IT'S A DIFFERENT ELECTION, You should attack McCain he's the one running this time.
Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse
No, Weisman,
The senator is not trying to take the offensive on this issue.
He is no more angry than any other man would be in such circumstances.
It's you who is offensive.
Posted by: wardropper | June 30, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse
Compassionate Conservatism is one of the worst sins out there.
Bush seems to think that all of his sins of racism and double standards are excused by so-called "compassionate" conservatism in developing regions.
Because of Bush, many people do not have equal opportunities to employment- and are treated disparately with blatant discirmination.
The discrimination laws serve white people and not the victims of discrimination.
People are unfairly and dishonestly maligned because of the Bush administration.
Yet Bush spends more money to fight AIDS in Africa, than he spends for domestic problems in brown and white communities here in the US
This is the same type of compassionate conservatism that the adventist and catholic churches practice.
It's a form of neocolonialism for sure.
Why is it htat some of the recipients of this AID often harbor some of the same prejudices and stereotypes as their American benefactors?
Sort of like the Adventists from Southern Africa who called non-whites - "wenches", etc.
It's a kind of neocolonialism and spread of poison in my view.
Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse
The question of whether Obama is presidential material is not about patriotism it is about policy. Senator Obama spoke here in Reno, NV at UNR and said, "America can not ask other nations to lay down or fore go their missiles and missile development unless we do so first."
He uses the same syllogism often as in his, "How can we ask other nations to reduce carbon emissions when we drive around in our SUVs in America and buy whatever we want" (I am paraphrasing two of his quotes)
A President Obama can make a mistake or two regarding carbon emissions and he may ruin our economic advantage but we will survive as a nation. However if a President Obama lays down our missiles and eliminates our new successful missile defense system, which Obama often has said he will defund, then we may find ourselves speaking Chinese in the near future.
Hitler would have loved a Prime Minister Obama instead of the Winston Churchill he got.
As Churchill said , "Any man who is under 30 and is not a liberal has no heart but any man who is over 30 and is not a conservative has no head."
Judging from his policy pronouncements Barak Obama is still in his political adolescence.
America can not afford to have him at the helm of our ship of state until he matures.
Posted by: Mike in reno | June 30, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse
You guys are certifiable. It's like you do drugs all the time and never wake up to your own flip-flopping idiocy.
You Obamabots shouldn't confuse the other side with yours.
Posted by: Obama is a joker | June 30, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse
I can't let you Republicans keep making fools of yourselves. During the 2000 convention the Bushies crucified McCain; they gave him an illegitimate black child and called him a coward, of all things. You let Rove cook him and call him a Vietnam Veteran unworthy to serve as a sitting President. So you loved Rove's roast then and gave Bush the nod, now you say, "Oh, my God, no, McCain's a hero." You guys are certifiable. It's like you do drugs all the time and never wake up to your own flip-flopping idiocy.
Posted by: faulpelz | June 30, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse
Barack Obama the most powerful man on earth.
All about the power.....
Posted by: We see the real Obama | June 30, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse
"We cant use 20% of the worlds energy with only 3% of population..."
Part of the reason we use so much energy is we are the world's biggest economy. We take in raw materials and put out finished products like medicine, food, appliances, computers and electronics, automobiles, plastics, ships, planes, etc., that the rest of the world buys from us, or that we give away.
My Comment:
In a number of those areas, not really. Take a look, for example, where all of those parts of your computers are made. How many High Def TV's, DVD Recorders, Computer Monitors, or other consumer electronics are made in the US? America is simply not the "engine of production" anymore.
Posted by: Not Anymore | June 30, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse
Barack Obama is living proof to me. No matter where you start in life from. If you do the right things at the right time and stay your course you can be the most powerful man on earth. The Audacity of Hope. Hats off to Barack. He should not become vain. His house should really built on rock! Let them huff and puff, huff and puff, they can't blow your house down! God be with you, Barack!
Posted by: mdsubramonia | June 30, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse
I hope WaPo removes your posts.
Posted by: ProfWrightBSU | June 30, 2008 11:10 PM
Stop trying to intimidate women you jerk!
Posted by: Professor Hussein | June 30, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse
Obama doesn't let the sun set on problems. Obama does what Kerry couldn't do. He can land a punch in rebuttal and he is on top of the opposition smear. I commend him, because he is not afraid of them.
Posted by: Kevin Morgan | June 30, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse
Grace:
You are a slanderous liar. In another blog, you wrote that Obama sold coke and weed in Chicago.
I hope he sues you, and I hope WaPo removes your posts.
Let McCain win or lose on his own merits.
Posted by: ProfWrightBSU | June 30, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse
I'm tired of Hussein lecturing the country he is so damn arrogant.I wonder what Moveon.org is saying now since they got thrown under the bus also Keith Olberman with his crazy ---.They wanted Hussein to stayed to the radical left now he dissed their ---.It served them right since they diss Hillary the true winner.Hussein says being community organizer is what makes him a leader that is bull----.Mccain has more experienced than him but know one really paying attention to the man because Hussein sing sweet bull---- in the media ears and they come all over they selves wake up America he will ruining this country and he will bring racist people out.I'm a African American who voted for Hillary and still thought she got cheated and if I vote for Hussein he has to pick Hillary if he doesnt he lost my vote.One more thing ask Hussein if he eat pork and you will know if he is a Muslim.
Posted by: tina | June 30, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse
Grace, speaking for racists:
"McCain is the true American hero. Obama is a fake used car salesman who makes it seem like we are all racist if we do not vote for him."
I'm not sure what you find "heroic" in a political coward who has stood so close to Bush's position you wonder if the idiot can read the polls.
I find zero heroism in a man who votes to bankrupt America with hundreds of billions for oil companies, over a *trillion* dollars spent on a war in Iraq started and maintained by sheer lies - yet this same old geezer can vote against health care for poor children in *this* country.
Despite his service in Vietnam, McCain has abandoned Americans by abandoning the Constitution. He is complicit in the growing fascism in this country, the longer our current President War Criminal stays in power.
Posted by: SteveCO | June 30, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse
Obama aims high and smears McCain's military service through his weasel Clark.
Yeah.....real a real class act.
Posted by: Obamaniac | June 30, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse
Some people aim high; some people aim low.
Obama aims high, and you can just watch it going over a lot of these posters' heads. Whoosh.
You read their responses, and they are all aimed low. Name-calling, that's about all they've got. Down in the mud where they live, everything looks like dirt.
So how about you? Have you got more than name-calling to offer?
Posted by: drossless | June 30, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse
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Posted by: Obama your messiah | June 30, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse
SHOCKING!!! Mrs. Obama releases children's recipes for Sashakisha and Maleawan!!!
Posted by: PeaPod | June 30, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse
I have to agree with the poster below. I'm sorry, I have always voted Republican but not this time because it is just so obvious and disgraceful why my party is doing to attack a candidate wrongly and unfairly. Political change is what is needed in America today. I'm also with Obama!
Posted by: Republkican for Obama | June 30, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse
I know Obama is going to win the November election at least 55% to 45%
Posted by: MerryJoeCurlyandMoe | June 30, 2008 10:51 PM
ThanK you for your insight, now let's just call off the election and proclaim Obamamoron King of the flies
Posted by: No election needed | June 30, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse
Repubs are going to continue to slander and deceive whoever the Democratic candidate is until the cows come home. This is nothing new. That's what they do every election. The main difference this election is that Democratic candidate is fighting back. I'm with Obama. I'm sick of this type of politics and I'm not going to take it any more.
Posted by: Hillary | June 30, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse
I don't even get stressed about any of this moronic crap anymore because I know Obama is going to win the November election at least 55% to 45%, and maybe more. So the morons will have to flounder on the sidelines for at least the next eight years. And probably longer, because with the Shrub leaving office as the least popular President ever in America, the Republicans are lucky if they elect another GOP President before 2020.
Posted by: MerryJoe | June 30, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse
American voters do not believe that Obama can walk the walk and talk the talk. we believe that he is selling us a bill of goods.
Obama is more like a used car salesman.
Obama sells the idea that he was raised by his grandparents neglecting to mention that they were rich and he went to the best private college prep schools while Obama's mother was on food stamps.
Obama refused to go to his own mother's funeral.
When asked who Americans would want to carry the American flag during the Olympic ceremony. Voters said they would want John McCain to hold the flag at the Olympics.
McCain is the true American hero. Obama is a fake used car salesman who makes it seem like we are all racist if we do not vote for him.
Posted by: Grace | June 30, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse
Posted by: Tim Scanlon | June 30, 2008 10:41 PM
People who question his patriotism are morons.
People who trah the electorate, shouldn't count on their votes!
Voters have every right and duty to make sure a person running for office of President is honest, patriotic and capable.
You self important jerks on the left will never get one of your arrogant shills elected, becaue you cannot keep your mouth shut long enough to keep from telling us who you really are.
Posted by: Voting public | June 30, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse
On CBS News This Evening, Katie Couric stated That Hon obama esq, while as younster in forgien country attend islamic madressa for education. I don't think Hon Obama esq is being Honorable with U.S, Public on Point.
Signed:PHYSICIAN THOMAS STEWART VON DRASHEK M.D.
Posted by: thomasxstewart | June 30, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse
Many former Presidents have been Senators and Governors. I can't see too many who had a military back-ground. I don't think it is essential to have military experience to be a President. A pure civilian may be able to get us out of the 'war' mind-set and do business as usual to repair the leaks and the holes on our bridges and our streets.
Compared to new ramparts of Singapore or Shanghai or many other 'high growth' ,'hi tech' centers of the world, the United States, the "icon" has started looking old and wrinkled. We need our money to be spent right here to make us 'state-of-the-art' and claim back our place as 'numero uno' after the great slide back over the last 8 years. That is the kind of leadership we are looking for. Judicious application, true professionalism, high energy, commitment, zeal and true leadership qualities, with youth and verve. By the need of the hour, we need to steer away from military and sabre-rattling. Move on, America, time to move on and not to be rivetted in the 20th century mind-set. Let not pity and attachment to the past colour your vision and make you look through a prism. See sigma, hear six-sigma, feel six-sigma, go for it! Be a savvy investor. From now on, do it right, the first time, every time.
Ring out the old, ring in the new.
Posted by: mdsubramonia | June 30, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse
People who question his patriotism are morons.
The list of blatant flaws in their reasoning is so vast and pathetic as to make it obviously a waste of time to debate with them.
It should be obvious to even the most undereducated that a person running for president is exceptionally patriotic. It doesn't matter what party they're in either.
Posted by: Tim Scanlon | June 30, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse
Nice move by McCain, appearing onstage with one of the character assassins who spread lies about Kerry's military record in 2004. I guess he's too dumb to grasp the irony.
Posted by: Patrick | June 30, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse
Great...now let's move on to the importance of this election.
Posted by: Bob Davidson | June 30, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse
For a man who questioned the false notion of patriotism in wearing a flag pin, he sure drape himself in oversize flags every chance he gets, nowadays.
He will support any foe, oppose any friend, compromise any position, change any long-held view, throw anybody under the bus, sell his soul - as long as it clears the path to the White House.
... and his flock stands up and cheers.
Amazing!
Expediency, thy name is Barack!
Posted by: Krishna | June 30, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse
Well said Dianne72!!!
Posted by: Susi | June 30, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse
Obama saved America from the Clintons.
The Clintons went to Harlem and here is the result:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZqMkdpYi0&NR=1
Posted by: JR, Boston | June 30, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse
Actions speak louder than words:
Which Presidential Candidate Pays His Female Employees Better?
Monday, June 30, 2008
By Brit Hume
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Now some fresh pickings from the Political Grapevine:
Money Talks
Barack Obama has vowed to make equal pay for women a priority if elected president and even told supporters in New Mexico last week, "McCain is an honorable man... but when you look at our records and our plans on issues that matter to working women, the choice could not be clearer. It starts with equal pay."
But Cybercast News cites a report from the secretary of the Senate which says women working in Obama's Senate office were paid, on average, about $6,000 less than men. And, of the five people in Obama's office who earn more than $100,000 a year, only one is a woman.
But in John McCain's Senate office, the average pay for women is $2,500 more than men.
Posted by: monitor1 | June 30, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse
While Americans debate patriotism, Big Oil finally gets what it was promised.
Posted by: Onefreeman | June 30, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse
Good goobidy go! I spent almost 2 hours reading this crap, and when I refreshed the page, there were 100 more posts from hell.
I really don't know why the hate. People don't find the facts out for themselves...they believe the crap they want to believe, and disregard the items that don't agree with what they want to hear. Sad really.
The current administration has destroyed the country. They have borrowed so much money, run up the national debt, started a war, (and yes, we did start a war in Iraq. There was no connection to the 9/11 attacks) shredded the constitution, lied, cheated the American people out of billions of dollars in no-bid contracts to their cronies, and have turned the USA into a laughing stock.
Is Obama the seconding coming? Hell no! Does he represent a huge change? Yes. Do I agree with all his positions? No. But I do agree with his more than I agree with McCain's. If McCain was still a so called "Maverick," I might consider him, but he isn't. He has "towed the company line."
I am not really happy about Obama's change of heart on the whole FISA thing, but he is trying to find some middle ground. Personally, I wish the Democrats would throw the book at the Republican administration....But that is just going to prolong the pain that we have already experienced.
Someone tell me this...
How are we going to pay this astronomical debt that we have accrued? Tax cuts? Cutting services? We are going to be paying for this administration's debacle for a long, long time. Taxes. And when you get hit with them, don't blame the Democrats. George W. Bush and company did it.
I just want someone to talk about something that's relevant. This conversation makes no sense.
Posted by: biggirl | June 30, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse
Obama should know that delivering a speech using a tele-prompter is so 1990's. You have the brains, so speak without using one.
Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse
Standing in front of a row of US flags doesn't make you a patriot, Obama. It's your actions, convictions, unfailing belief in the American ideals and, most of all, keep your promises to the American people.
Posted by: Eric | June 30, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse
"Obama strikes me as a hologram: What you want to see in him is what you find. It's like looking into an abyss, and not seeing anything but darkness."
Posted by: Sarah | June 30, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse
Neville Chamberlain was a patriot too. But he chose the wrong course of action. The course he chose lead to tens of millions dying.
Today we face a similar fate if we allow the terrorist to win.
I will leave you with this silly example.
Obama and his supporters want you to take off your shoes every time you get on a plane.
McCain and his supporters want you to put them back on, and keep them on.
VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com
Posted by: VJ Machiavelli | June 30, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse
Earl: Based on your comments, you're definitely not 'in the middle - you're on the extreme right.
Claw Hammer obviously failed 4th grade science. LOL
Posted by: MyVoteDoesNotCountInAlabama | June 30, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse
Who would any self-respecting terrorist, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Fidel and his bro, Hugo or enemy of the United States or lib dem Socialist vote for...YES...OBAMA is their man!!!
Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse
obama '08
It looks like the dems picked another unelectable loser this year.It almost seems as if this has been planned out.
Posted by: JDM | June 30, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse
After Obama has dispatched the Clintons and Americans should never again question his Patriotism.
Obama did what McCain would not have, and America will be a better place because of it.
We are spared of the Clinton family drama. We are spared of partisan politics. We are free.
Here's a video showcases the effectiveness of the money the Clinton's put around in Harlem. Enjoy!
Posted by: JR, Boston | June 30, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse
Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:40 PM
I do not believe that Obama's views are any more than just moderate.
Unfortunately, this is not borne out by his "most liberal" voting record as ranked by numerous left-leaning organizations who currently support him.
McCain does need the support of the right, who have been even less than lukewarm to him because of his history of co-sponsoring legislation with a number of Democrats.
McCain-Feingold...McCain-Kennedy and McCain-Leiberman sponsored legislation on the books still irks them, but Obama is so far left, McCain to them looks like Reagan in comparison.
Posted by: Moderation in all things | June 30, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse
SHOCKING!!! Mrs. Obama divulges children's recipes for Sashakisha and Maleawan!!!
Posted by: PeaPod | June 30, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse
"When zealots go extreme right or left, they are usually meet and join in facist/socialist territory."
Posted by: Moderation in all things | June 30, 2008 9:21 PM
I tend to agree with you in that I have said this at times. I do not believe that Obama's views are any more than just moderate. McCain is trying to be moderate while pandering to the extreme right wing. However, he fell off his straight-talk express and can't get back on again. Even Tony Blair would agree that aligning one's politics with those of Bush was a mistake.
Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse
For 20 years Obama belonged to a church which denigrated the white man, denigrated the Jew, denigrated the Christian and denigrated the USA and now Jonathan Weisman attempts to portray this as an issue of patriotism. Obama is a little man in short pants who wouldn't understand patriotism if it sat on his face.
Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse
Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:31 PM
Right or wrong, Truman was a Commander-in-Chief. He knew how to make the tough decisions.
If the Democrats would ever nominate a candidate like Harry Truman again, they would get my vote.
As long as they stay hard left, they will not get the "Typical" middle of the road American votes, hearts or minds.
Posted by: Nobama Noway Nohow | June 30, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse
f.u. b. is the best you could assemble? Sheesh, you are a fricken Super Hero, complete with spandex thong and matching cape, accentuating your pregnancy. Ohh, you're a dude. Sorry, maybe you should check for worm's because what ever crawled up your discharge shoot lives on in your belly region. Might explain the bile problem. Now where was I, oh yea, SuperHero, going to save America and the world from a half white guy because, well, uhhh, he want's to put my mom (who is upstairs) in a burka.
I salute you, savior of the white race. I appreciate your sacrifice.
Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 30, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse
I'm listening to the talking heads on MSNBC now. They do not get it. Gen. Clark never dissed McCain. McCain's particular military service is not a qualification for him being President. If it is, then any military guy who was flying a plane and was shot down has a leg up on qualifications for being President.
May I ask if flying a plane and being shot down are qualifications for President? I flew military planes during the same time period. I was fortunate not to have been shot down. The U.S. Constitution does not say so. If it does, please find it.
People may point to a past biography to support a run for the President. However, there are very few qualifications written into the U.S. Constitution. The founders of our country were not fools. Otherwise, we would have one military leader after another as President. We are close to a military state now. The President keeps saying that he will do what the generals want in Iraq. Sounds like a real Commander-in-Chief, doesn't it. Right or wrong, Truman was a Commander-in-Chief. He knew how to make the tough decisions.
Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse
McCain '08
Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse
Do not believe anything pubic hair on my coke can. He pretends to be me but obviously, I am me. And I'm packing up my R.V. for some white folk sightseeing. Also, he obviously meant "nothing but NET" but I'm told he like merlot with his tofu curd beet burger. Get a life creep, and quit imposturating me or you're REALLY going to make me mad. And when I get mad... watch out!
Posted by: Hon. Clarence Thomas | June 30, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse
pubichaironmycokecan f. u b.
Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse
SHOCKING!!! New photo uncovered of Mrs. Obama!!!
Posted by: PeaPod | June 30, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse
"Don't blame me, I voted for Bush"
Posted by: Typical Republican | June 30, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse
Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:00 PM
1. Please propose how you plan to pay off the national debt, a whopping 8 trillion of it run-up by Republican presidents since 1980. Remember when Ronald Reagan called the debt assinine when he then signed the bill to raise the debt limit to one million dollars.
Grow the ecomony, do not overtax those who produce the wealth of America. Promote productivity, innovation and incentivize production of new energy sources. Think outside the box and allow American ingenuity solve our current energy crisis. More taxes willconly curtail innovation, exploration and development and prolong our pain.
2. I do not know about you, but did you know that my tax bill suffered the largest increase ever after the passage of the "tax neutral" 1986 tax bill? Another case where middle-class America saw its taxes being redistributed to the wealthiest top 5% of the American population. Nothing changes with the Repubican crew who always screams out tax and spend against Democrats. The Republicans borrow and spin.
No one predicted 9/11 or our nation's necessary response. Whether you agree or not with the national defense expenditures which both parties approved, our sons and daughters who were sent into harm's way deserve our support at ANY cost. Some things are priceless. They are to me.
3. You obviously haven't heard Obama to tell his audiences that to move forward, it must be the people working with their elected government, that government cannot do everything. Have you heard this?
He says a lot of things to different audiences. I do not believe the rhetoric of a half-term senator is Gospel. His voting record, such as it is, in the senate tell a totally different tale.
4. I say after trying the extreme right agenda for 8 years, isn't it a good time for the other side to have a turn on the other side of the seesaw to balance things out? Stop crying wolf. It is time that balance be brought back to the Federal government. The Republicans, the party that detests government and pretty near ruined it, should kindly bow out so that some progressive Democrats can get this country moving again.
I believe candidates should be voted on individually, just as Obama is no Kennedy, McCain is no Bush. McCain has a record of being an American first above any party. He has proved this with a long record of bi-partisanship that few can match.
5. Is it possible that there is no such thing as being too far right?
When zealots go extreme right or left, they are usually meet and join in facist/socialist territory.
Posted by: Moderation in all things | June 30, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse
as per usual... the man hits it out the ballpark, nothing but rim, ran it back from the back of the end zone. You sick pathetic puppies need to reset your cracker meter's because with the Olympics coming up, everyone is going to be cheering for the U.S.A. and you're going to be in front of that big screen blithering about muslem DNA sequencing. Think of the CHILDREN.
Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 30, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse
No candidate in history must of had to jump through so many hoops as this guy Obama.
Posted by: old white vet | June 30, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse
Regarding Wesley Clark's interview, he is totally correct. John McCain responded without total knowledge of the entire interview. If McCain can jump on this interview this way, it just shows that he is following in the Bush tradition of jump before looking closely at the facts. Seems like the biggest jump was the jump to go to war in Iraq. Look where it got us: (1)over 4000 troops dead, (2) untold numbers of American civilians dead, (3) over 500 billion dollars in borrowed war debt marching to 3 trillion by the time all equipment is replaced, and (4) the bottom of the credibility and influence barrel in the world, we have lost our moral standing in the world.
Seems like John and his minions whine and whine. He must be behind in the polls. Test a man's character by how he responds when he is behind. This may possibly be the reason why Barack pulled ahead in the Democratic primary.
By the way, they should know what whining is because they accuse others of the same thing.
Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse
white folks is racist!!! they have ruined this country but that alright cause we are taking over in noverember. just like the inventer of the peanut said, george washington carver, the black man can't be free until he gets inside the white house.
Posted by: Lakisha | June 30, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse
dang, something sure stirred the repug vermin this fine evening... in a circle, beating their meat like Iraqi prisoners. Yawn, guess I should go read the article. Back in a flash, you boy's go ahead and get those panties down and we'll get you back to that "cheerleader" pyrimid thingee we tried last time. What, yes, you can start without me.
Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 30, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse
Obama is pissed off that people are talkin' trash about him and he's not gonna' have it! Since we just had the speech today, soon his supporters will come out to scream and back him up then we'll have another rally so he can prove to everyone just how popular he really is. Seems to me that McCain and Hillary, whether you agreed with them or not, believed they were running for an important job in the country. Obama is for himself and this is his country, not anyone else's. Especially if you don't agree with him.
Posted by: Lynn E | June 30, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse
Proofreading is great until you still miss something.
My question one in the previous post should have read that President Reagan called the raising of the debt to one trillion (a "t") dollars "assinine."
Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse
This conversation sure makes this old saw true. The empty drum booms the loudest.
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Posted by: newsendorser | June 30, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse
what, it's totally humane I'm told. Plus the cows and pigs will be free to roam and forage. Like I say, nothing but win.
Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 30, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse
John McCain says that Gen. Clark's minimizing of his executive experience is "unnecessary."
He is absolutely right.
Posted by: FirstMouse | June 30, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse
"Many people have trouble with Obama and it has nothing to do with his patriotism, race or and other "issues" he has thrown out to muddy the water.
"It has more to do with higher taxes, his leftist politics and an Obama government controlling everything.
"He is too far left of mainstream America.
Posted by: Moderation in all things | June 30, 2008 8:40 PM
Has it occurred to anyone yet that no elected President will probably ever be able to have as much control over government as the Bush administration. He has done such a wonderful job that his approval rating is in the tank and has been for 3 years. Yes, Americans have decided that the fascist hold on government may not be such a good idea afterall. They tried to throw off the shackles in 2006. Fortunately for Bush and company, Americans do not hang leaders like this. We try to correct our mistakes at the next election, unless like in 2004 another election is stolen.
I have a few questions to ask my learned poster:
1. Please propose how you plan to pay off the national debt, a whopping 8 trillion of it run-up by Republican presidents since 1980. Remember when Ronald Reagan called the debt assinine when he then signed the bill to raise the debt limit to one million dollars.
2. I do not know about you, but did you know that my tax bill suffered the largest increase ever after the passage of the "tax neutral" 1986 tax bill? Another case where middle-class America saw its taxes being redistributed to the wealthiest top 5% of the American population. Nothing changes with the Repubican crew who always screams out tax and spend against Democrats. The Republicans borrow and spin.
3. You obviously haven't heard Obama to tell his audiences that to move forward, it must be the people working with their elected government, that government cannot do everything. Have you heard this?
4. I say after trying the extreme right agenda for 8 years, isn't it a good time for the other side to have a turn on the other side of the seesaw to balance things out? Stop crying wolf. It is time that balance be brought back to the Federal government. The Republicans, the party that detests government and pretty near ruined it, should kindly bow out so that some progressive Democrats can get this country moving again.
5. Is it possible that there is no such thing as being too far right?
Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse
For Obama to send a clown like Wesley Clark out to deride McCain's war record, then to have Obama feign surprise the next day shows what a lowlife phony and weasel this cretin Obama is. Somebody step on this purple lipped roach.
Posted by: muskrat | June 30, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse
just a reminder, this article is a big monkey trap for snaring IP addresses of racist repugs. Indeed, when we take over, phase I of Operation... Soylent Green, wherein we replace your favorite meat patty with a new and improved meat patty.
What Pork Filled Democrats? Ahhhh Tasty!
Posted by: Charleton Heston is remembered here | June 30, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse
just a reminder, this article is a big monkey trap for snaring IP addresses of racist repugs. Indeed, when we take over, phase I of Operation... Soylent Green, wherein we replace your favorite meat patty with a new and improved meat patty. By the time you guys notice you're not eating cows or pigs we will have switched you to tofu burgers. Everybody will lose weight and no one will miss the repugs. Win--win. Obviously, some of you checker players will have some 'splaining to do, but these posts should do nicely as obviously dna will be difficult. Anyway, I'm told you won't feel a thing, we shall use existing meat patty production infrastructure, that is, electrocuted up the butt, sliced and quartered before you hit the sluice grate.
Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 30, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse
Wes Clark is either incompetent......YES!
Posted by: Wes the Republican before he was a Dem | June 30, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse
Wes Clark is either incompetent or, far far worse is not.
Posted by: Kent | June 30, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse
Obama has no credentials
He thinks he's going to come out and tell us what is what?
He thinks he's going to come out and tell us what to think?
He thinks he's going to come out and inspire ADULTS?
What a freaking JOKE.
He has no credentials to tell me anything.
Like a baby child on a playground. ALL WE HEAR ARE EXCUSES
BONEHEADED
CARELESS
MUCH MORE THAN THAT
WE SEE YOU
WE ARE NOT STUPID BITTER WHITE FOLK
WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU MR. OBAMA
IT AIN'T GONNA "CHANGE"
WE AREN'T 17 YEAR OLDS
HOLLER INTO THE MIKE ALL YOU WANT
RANT RAVE AND PREACH
NO "BELIVEING" IN YOU
YOU ARE A DONE NOTHING
CAN'T FOOL US
Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse
"BUSH 2012"
First, not possible under the constitution you appear to know so well.
Maybe he was referring to Jeb or the young nice looking half-Hispanic Bush Grandson we all saw at the convention.
Posted by: Maria | June 30, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse
Now add to that Obama's lack of spine to allow to muslim women on stage with him. Ya, way to be a tad bit prejudiced there. Actually not too bad for a guy who swears he has been on the short end of the stick in his life.
Thank God I live in the San Francisco Bay Area where hate-spewing rubes are next to extinct. Do I really live in a country with so many ignorant people? It's shameful and depressing.