The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

[Quote]Obama Still Faces a Big Task in Telling Voters Who He Is [Quote]
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Really now; does anybody really care at this point? Simply put, Obama is a fast talking, gum smacking, and shuck and jive lawyer from Chicago's south side who has been revealed for all to see. Obama is a friend and business conspirator of Rezko who now resides in prison, a friend of a leader of the once murderous Weather Underground, a twenty year close friend of Reverend Wright and the famous Heretic Bishop, both of whom espouse hatred, racial separatism and contempt for most Americans. Finally, lets not forget that Obama has a local record of being anti-2nd Amendment, pro-abortion; including partial birth late term abortions, anti-death penalty, anti-energy (no drilling and no nuclear power), and loose with the truth about who he really is.

There now Obama; that wasn't so hard ... was it?

We are PuMaS. Just say Nobama! We are PuMaS, we have PMS, and we are angry! Just say no deal! No more men for president, it's time for a woman to take over. Men are evil. We are PuMaS!!!

Note how the frenzy has quieted down. Who is that flim-flam Man who so flamboyantly sashayed into our political arena? Oh will the Republican Machine have fun with Obama-Rev Right to his wife Michelle. He looked good fighting Clinton. The fight made him looked strong. Now he does not look so strong. (The smoke and mirrors of illusion) Clinton Supporters will make a difference come November- Dont discount us Obama.. I wonder if Obama will be able to reach out to people he does not hear.He does not hear us. Without Clinton he does not have a chance in H---! If Clinton is not on the ticket- I will write Hillary Clinton on my Ballot. I will not settle for less.

The republicans can't run on their record and they have a disapponting 71 year old candidate. So, the only thing left is lies and smears which they happen to be very good at, as anyone reading this thread knows. The problem is the country has been saturated the this Bush style politics for eight years and is heartily sick of it. So get your vomit bags ready! We will have have to put up with these mindless bile-spewing rednecks for the next four months.

We know exactly who Barack Obama is now and he's certainly not the new man, the new politician and the wonder of wonders many progressives were led to believe he was. While Obama received massive support from progressives during the primaries, he kept quiet as to his real intentions in regard to FISA and other issues such as the death penalty in regard to cases of rape in "limited circumstances", not cutting back on all of Bush's tax cuts for the rich and now his willingness to support expanding Bush's faith-based discriminatory hiring and firing practices with government monies etc. We already knew he was against Gay marriage and about his refusal to commit to bringing all the troops home from Iraq even by 2013 (this, from the man who wants everyone to believe he's going to end our involvement there) but hope is what kept our support alive and now we know that too existed only in our vivid imaginations. What else is he hiding up that sleeve?

At obama's press conference about expanding government's involvement with religion, he made it very clear and seemed surprised that progressives thought he was one of them. All this was news to him. What a farce and what a slap in the face to those who gave him the nomination and a lot of us thought, shamefully so, that it was Hillary Clinton who couldn't be trusted. Anyone who thinks Obama will truly end the war in Iraq or change the right-leaning direction of the Supreme Court is a fool. Obama wants to bring us together remember and would compromise as he's done so badly so far and so much that any of his appointees to the court will have more in common with the likes of Scalia than anyone resembling a liberal who gives a hoot about abortion etc. Any legislation he proposes would be so watered down too as to become meaningless, as meaningless as Obama has turned out to be. On election day, I'll write in mother's name for president of the United States.

I'd like to take this opportunity to announce that (for at least for the next five years), I am chaning my middle name to Hussein.

William Hussein Cook
Cleveland, Ohio

The man is a danger and should be regarded as such. Vote for anyone but BHO because if you don't, you cannot blame anyone but yourself when he destroys this country.

Posted by: R | July 1, 2008 6:51 PM
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Sorry, GWB already destroyed this country. Where have you been for the last 8 years? It's time for change. The republicans have had their turn, and it didn't turn out so well.

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It is funny when a political journalist of Dan Baltz's repute goes ga-ga over a speech full of lofty words. Is it difficult for someone to write a speech full of lofty words? The most difficult thing is whether you practise what you are preaching. I am not sure whether Dan Baltz or other people in the media, who are so enamored by Obama, lack the experience or the political sense to miss that point! Shouldn't one showcase himself by holding his own actions as an example to paractising the ideals that he portrays to be holding dear to his heart, and not by delivering some high powered speech laced with a creative expression of passion all over the face, while being teleprompted. Why does one have to choose a town named Independence and not other place? Doesn't it show that this effort is a kind of showmanship, more symbolic in nature than anything else? Sen Obama himself said, while doing a reverse on his stand on Nafta, that he got carried away by rhetoric during the primary campaign. It seems that his campaign, like many others is full of symbolism, showmanship and rhetoric than anything of substance. He said that he disavows moving around with lobbyists, but a report on ABC news a couple of weeks ago disclosed some of his political backers gained from him, when their firm got the chance to manage a chunk of state welfare funds. What impression can one form from all these facts?

BARRACK HUSSEIN'S family is Muslim - his father - step father, his half brothers and sisters - AND MOST OBVIOUSLY his NAME HUSSEIN is Muslim.

GET A CLUE!

BARRACK HUSSEIN'S family is Muslim - his father - step father, his half brothers and sisters - his grandmother... AND MOST OBVIOUSLY his NAME HUSSEIN is Muslim.

GET A CLUE!

I know of Harry Truman and Obama you're no Truman. Harry was straight talker, no pandering with Presidency put upon him, not someone who hasn't even finished half of his first term in the Senate with no real accomplishment to measure you on except a great speech at the 2004 Dem Convention. Just like Mario Cuomo who gave an inspiring speech at their previous convention, but his actual work experience seem more plausible for the position.

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/06/why-obama-dean-fear-4-million.html

This weekends PR stunt or "unity" fest underscores a problem for the presumptive Democratic nominee. The problem can be summed up in one word: PUMA.

Since the end of the Democratic primaries the DNC has been plagued by this growing group of Hillary Clinton supporters who have pledged to vote against Barack Obama and reform the Democratic Party that is clearly more interested in power than moving the country forward. In recent weeks Democratic leadership has bombarded the press with a message of unity and a fall-back to the talking points meant to divide this country such as abortion.

So how much of problem does PUMA and Just Say No Deal represent to the Obama campaign?

A huge one and here's why:

PUMA and Just Say No Deal are comprised of Hillary Clinton's most ardent supporters and represent what Richard Nixon once referred to as the "Silent Majority". They are middle class values voters, the "Reagan Democrats", who position trust, personal and religious beliefs, a profound love for their country, and political education at the forefront of their political decision making. The PUMAS embody the fighting spirit of our founding fathers, driven by a belief that our country, not our political parties, should come first.

The patriotism thing is so easy. Obama is taking great risks to his personal safety by running for President. To say he is not patriotic is absurd.

Wow. I am amazed at the lack of education about the candidates in most of the comments here. I agree with those that say fear is the only tool the Republicans have against Obama. It played out well for Shrub and his cronies to accomplish their goal of invading Iraq regardless of the fact that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and we were lied to about Saddam having WMDs. But fear will not work this time! Sadly, I recognize that there are still many racists and bigots in this world who would like to spread hate and lies about Obama simply because he doesn't look like you or have your same life experience. Open your eyes and use a brain cell or two to truly educate yourself with the facts and make an INFORMED decision about who you will support and why.

Here are some FACTS for those of you who have none apparently and continue to try and use the shameful "He's a Secret Muslim" fear tactic and lie....

CNN Reporter: I've Been to Madrassas in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and Obama's Indonesian Elementary School Is Nothing Like That. On January 22, CNN Reporter John Vause reported, "I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta, looking for what some are calling an Islamic Madrassa, like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan.. I've been to those Madrassas in Pakistan and Wolf, this school is nothing like that." [CNN, Situation Room, 1/22/07]

Click here to watch the video report

Indonesian Embassy Says That Besuki School Attended by Barack Obama "Has Never Been an Islamic Madrassah Type of School." A letter from the Indonesian Embassy stated that "Sekolah Dasar Negeri Besuki in Menteng, Jakarta, Indonesia has always been a public school. It has never been an Islamic madrassa type of school." [Letter From Ambassador Sudjadnan Parnohadiningrat to Senator Barack Obama, 1/25/07]

Time's Joe Klein: Attacks On Obama's Elementary School Are "Laughable" Given the Moderate Form of Islam Practiced in Indonesia, Especially in Those Days." Time's Joe Klein wrote, "The effort to slime Barack Obama has begun in the slimiest possible way." Describing attacks on Obama's elementary school, Klein wrote, "Now, this is nonsense of course. Obama's stepfather was not a Muslim extremist (among other things, he worked for Shell Oil). Obama attended public school for two years in Indonesia, in addition to the two years he spent in catholic schools--although, as Obama's staff points out, Indonesia is a Muslim country, so the public schools undoubtedly reflect the dominant relgious culture. The notion that the Obama's school was a Wahabi madrasa is laughable, given the moderate form of Islam practiced in Indonesia, especially in those days." [Time Blog, 1/22/07]

OBAMA IS A PRACTICING CHRISTIAN

Obama Was Baptized And Attends Church Once a Week When He is Able. In the Audacity of Hope, Obama wrote, "I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized." In 2004, he "attend[ed] the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week -- or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant." When asked about his decision to be baptized, Obama said "Kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt I heard God's spirit beckoning me," he said of his walk down the aisle of the Trinity United Church of Christ. "I submitted myself to his will and dedicated myself to discovering his truth." [Audacity of Hope, p.208, Chicago Sun Times, 4/5/04; AP 6/28/06]

Obama Reads The Bible, Finds Time to Pray On Campaign Trail. The Chicago Sun-Times wrote, "Obama says he reads the Bible, though not as regularly as he'd like, now that he's on the campaign trail. But he does find time to pray. 'It's not formal, me getting on my knees,' he says. 'I think I have an ongoing conversation with God... I'm constantly asking myself questions about what I'm doing, why I am doing it.'" [Chicago Sun Times, 4/5/04]

Obama Held His Personal Bible When He Was Sworn-In As A U.S. Senator. "...Even before the makeshift office was up and running in the basement of a Senate building, even before he raised his hand Tuesday to take the oath of office as the junior senator from Illinois, Barack Obama was already a political rock star and a celebrated new face in Congress. He arrived Tuesday, his first official day in the Capitol.... In the circles he runs in now, celebrity status is checked at the cloakroom door...When it was finally time to take the oath, he held his personal Bible, as family from as far away as Kenya watched from the visitors' gallery above. His daughters, Malia, 6, and Sasha, 3, in velvet dresses and patent leather shoes, bounced in their chairs when he looked up and waved." [Los Angeles Times, 1/5/05]

GET A CLUE!

R said re Obama:
" BHO is struggling to convince us that he isn't the man who he really is! "

Right, he is not the Obama he knew. The man is becoming laughable. Where is Al Gore when we need him?

GPM:

Your comments are correct, but it's likely that McCain's infidelities when he returned likely added more strain to the marriage.

And perhaps he wouldn't be taken to task for it if he had divorced Carol before beginning his affair with Cindy.

And is it possible that Cindy's millions made the choice a little easier?

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RE: The buffoons who call Obama an "empty suit", "car salesman" etc obviously doesn't listen to his speeches and doesn't understand what he stands for and what he's looking to do. Most likely the same fools who voted for Bush.

Posted by: Ryan | July 1, 2008 1:52 PM
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I have listened to his speeches that he reads from a teleprompter that somebody else wrote for him.....they are not his words. He doesn't even know what he stands for.
I'd rather have Bush 4 more years than an idiot who's only qualification is he can read.
So can my 3 year old grandaughter.

Obama battle-hardened like few nominees???? You've got to be kidding! The free ride and lack of scrutiny given Obama by the media is unprecedented. This freshman senator with no real accomplishments to show for his 46 years, except being a "community organizer" (code for self-promotion in the corrupt Chicago machine at the expense of poor Black people). As a life long Democrat, I am disgusted with the DNC and their cronies. They have lost my vote as well as my family's.

McCain even Flip Flopped to a new wife!

Daddio's summary of the relationship of Carol Shepp and John McCain leaves out some important facts.

He fails to mention, for example, that Carol Shepp had already been divorced once when she met and married John McCain, who adopted her children by her first marriage and raised them as his own.

He also fails to consider that, when John McCain was released after over 5 years in a Vietnamese POW camp, to pick up the pieces of his life and marriage, both McCains were severely injured.

Before Barack Obama turned the Democratic Party I used to be proud of into something more closely resembling the bad old Republican Party of yore, most Democrats would have understood that a five-year absence would strain any marriage. For pity's sake!

And a five-year absence combined with severe physical torture to the husband and severe physical injury to the wife, moreover, would be understandably difficult for any couple to mend, despite their best efforts, and perhaps particularly so when one of the parties (in this case, the wife, Carol) already had a history of failed marriage.

The practice of politics by spreading rumors ia a throwback to the Nixon era, revived in modern politics by Karl Rove. And while it's disappointing to see Obama's paid "commenters" stooping so low, it's not surprising as hiring people to do the "dirty work" of spreading lies and innuendo so that Obama can maintain his lofty holier-than-thou position is the clear modus operandi of the Obama campaign.

The hypocrisy of the Democratic Party, Barack Obama and his campaign strategists make me ashamed to have been a Democrat for the last 35 years.

I frequently feel like the Republican religious right has hijacked my religion, and now I feel like some racist, sexist, liberal left nutcases have hijacked my political party!

So thank you, Senator Obama, for spearheading the rise of the "religious left" and the destruction of a party whose highminded values once meant something. If elected, I'm sure your legacy will be one of political infamy, right alongside that of George W. Bush.

Mr "Flip Flop" McCain keeps adding to his list of insane flip flops!

* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won't back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

* McCain used to oppose Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* He's both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance" in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans "deserved" the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell's debate coach.)

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

Feel free to add to this growing list...

To: real world | July 1, 2008 7:31 PM

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Are you really so shallow to think that being born to a father who was not a practing muslim, and choosing to be a Christian is a BAD THING!? I believe that would make someone more loyal to christian belifs if they activly chose that path.

What would you think of someone born a Christian, who does not currently actively practice Christianity?

Obama went to Aprivet muslim only school, When he lived in Indonesia, check out his book the info is in there, now he tells us he is a christen, OK but he was A muslim by brith, all can change!!
OR FLIP FLOP

TO ???
Obama went to catholic school in hawaii when he lived with his GRANDMOTHER( you now the grandmother he conpared with rev wright) when he lived in indonesia.BEFORE father walked out!! so get your info strate before you start looking like A kool-aid drinker!!!!

If Senator Obama would like to reintroduce himself, there are a few things I'd like to know:

1. What was his first job? For example, did he throw papers or work at McDonald's? Perhaps he mowed lawns or work as a lifeguard in the summer? In other words, what was his first job as a kid?

2. How did he pay for college? Did he work part-time in one of the university administrative offices, for example, as some kids do? Work as a waiter? In a convenience store? Hold a summer job in a factory, or as a roadworker?

3. Will he give my tax dollars to "faith-based" charities run by racists like Rev. Wright and Rev. Pfleger, whose good deeds incorporate messages of hate and discrimination (a methodology which, incidentally, strikes me as very much like that used by Hamas in order to gain popular support and undermine the government)?

4. Will he stick with his timetable for removing troops from Iraq?

Too all you saying that Obama is a flip flopper, why do you support McCain who is the biggest flip flopper of all time?

Would any McCain supporter like to do a Flip Flop contest? I'd guess not.

"When McCain was finally released in 1973, his first wife, Carol, had not seen him for six years, and had herself had a terrible car accident.

McCain embarked on a series of affairs, the last one with Cindy Hensley, the daughter of an Arizona beer baron, who he met at a military function in Hawaii in 1979.

They were married a year later, one month after he divorced his disabled wife, Carol. McCain married in to political power.

Cindy's wealthy and well-connected father offered a gateway into Arizona's business and political elite. At first, McCain toyed with a career working for his father-in-law, perhaps in PR. But soon the political world opened up in the form of a vacant congressional seat."

What an honorable man, McCain is!

To: real world | July 1, 2008 7:08 PM

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Obama went to a Catholic school.

You need to go back to school, and expand your world view. Perhaps you'd be a lot less scared of the world around you.

TO KOOL-AID DRINKERS
OBAMA Stated he went to a privet school for muslim's only when he live oversea's. So if he went to A privet muslim only school, that must mean that at one time he was A muslim(father was muslim,by birth makes him muslim by muslim law) ... Or has his history FLIP FLOPPED AGEN????

This is just so sad. BHO is struggling to convince us that he isn't the man who he really is!

The man has no background other than bashing his own country, has no judgement as to who he should walk with and now he wants us to all believe that he is a man of faith when for 20 years his faith consisted of nothing but hatred toward anyone and anything NOT black.

The man is a danger and should be regarded as such. Vote for anyone but BHO because if you don't, you cannot blame anyone but yourself when he destroys this country.

Thr only way this anti american, who refuses to salute OUR fag Or repeat the pledge of alligenece, is that there are a lot less americans out there then you would think. I represented this country in the Korean And Viet nam wars and I SPIT ON ANY MAN THAT WILL NOT SALUTE THE AMERICAN FLAG, NO EXCEPTIONS

I am appalled at the ignorance and racist rantings I read (see Sue posted 7/1, 627 pm.) I was raised in Germany by German nannies because my father serving in the military was stationed there. If I follow your logic does that make me a Nazi? I don't think so. I am a Christian, a member of a religious order, the daughter of a career militry man and have nephews who have served in the military (one in Iraq) who are 4th generation military. I love America but pray for racists, those who distort the truth, spread falsehood, etc. I support Obama because I study the issues and candidates and make a reasoned, educated decision. How do you decide for whom you will vote? By race? By paranoia, lies, distortions? God help this country if our people are so blind.
I will pray for you, Sue, and all others who spread hate instead of reason.

To: Sue | July 1, 2008 6:27 PM
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McCain supporters sure seem to be cowards. Fear is the only tool the Republicans know. They are seem to always be afraid, but I am not.

1. Obama is more "American" than McCain - McCain was not even born in the USA.

2. Obama has never been a muslim or part of islam. Obama is a long time christian. McCain shuns religion, and lacks christian morals. He even cheated on his wife and them dumped her for a younger mistress.

3. Obama is not funded by terrorists, unless you consider american to be terrorists!? McCain supports torture - McCain plans to use terrorist methods....that would make him...a terrorist!

4. See #2 again.

Sue said:
" You people who are Obama supporters need to realize that this guy can never be patriotic, he is not truly american, he has one foot in africa, and one is islam, he is funded by islamic terrorist groups, and his new policy to extend faith based groups will ensure islam reigns supreme in the us. "

We have only his word to the opposite, and that is a concern to many Americans, especially considering his pals and supporters (please see my post here at 12:51 PM.)

You people who are Obama supporters need to realize that this guy can never be patriotic, he is not truly american, he has one foot in africa, and one is islam, he is funded by islamic terrorist groups, and his new policy to extend faith based groups will ensure islam reigns supreme in the us. Just think about this. Before it is too late...

Sally not a foil in the world to cove the truth about obama,he will flip flop over and over. Will make kerry look good.

To: real world | July 1, 2008 6:19 PM

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Please add more Tin Foil to your hat.

Obama will tell us about him self today, and prove he is the KING of FLIP FLOP Tommorow with A hole new story!!!!
Most do not believe him!!
As his mentor of more than 20yr's(REV WRIGHT)Stated,He(Obama)is just A politicion,and will say anything to get the vote!!
But Obama cares lessfor he has his disciples(the kool-aid drinkers) standing ready to brand anyone who dares to Question there messiah A racist,or stupid!!!!
P.S. YOU NOW KNOW OBAMA CAME OUT OF THE CLOSET,AND THINKS GAY MARRAGE IS GRATE, AND CLAMES TO HAVE ALWAYS SUPPORTED IT !!!!!

o.k. enough with the fake soldier bashing - that's doesn't come from any Obama supporter.

obama supporters back our soldiers doing their jobs with honor, and we back caring for them when they come home broken and support the new GI bill for when they get out that mccain was against 'because we might lose some reenlistments'. incredible.

as an obama supporter I have respect for the soldiers that sign up for our armed forces because they have no other job or career prospects due to profit-taking, job- offshoring, corporations that mccain works for. then they end up getting shipped out and killed or maimed for a sham. what we don't support is missions based on lies, propaganda and media manipulation.

this recession that's pounding all of you non rich americans like me is caused by the incredible deficit spending, reckless tax cuts for the wealthy, complete lack of regulation of speculative housing and investment markets, and a reckless illegal war that has taken $1Trillion of our dollars. Mccain supports/supported all of these fiascos.

It's time to move on from the past and scare mongering republicans.

Welcome President Obama!

Bill said:
" Good point, although I'm not sure I buy the argument that the President (any President) is going to run from a fight where he's actually being attacked in a foxhole. And obviously, Barack Obama, running for President when he knows that the chance of some lunatic trying to kill him for being black (or for whatever) is probably at about 99%, also probably doesn't jibe too well with your point. I don't have the facts in front of me, I'll admit, but I remember several debates between Clinton and Obama (don't I?!?) so I'm not sure where the "chickening out" is there. I'm also not sure how deciding not to go on a trip with your political opponent is "chickening out." Is that something we've seen a lot of in the past few elections? I don't know...don't seem to recall it...but you must, as you have a problem with it. Could you let me know? "

Also good points on your part. Chickening out was a bad choice of wording. He didn't want to debate Clinton on her last invitation. Same with the ten Town Hall meetings with McCain, and he did not accept McCain's invitation to join him in a visit to Iraq. Call it whatever you like, but these were unaccepted challenges he refused. It doesn't speak well for the stand-up approach needed for the presidency.

" More to your point: If you're right, I suppose he could hand me the grenade and just point out the bad guys. I don't know. "

Well.. I'm sure the two of you would work it out to mutual benefit.

" This point is probably a wash for McCain and Obama. Do you think maybe I should score the two of them based on which of them might help me dig the foxhole in the first place? "

Tell you what, I've dug those blasted holes myself and I'll go with McCain, as the Dude has been vetted re military ways and proven to be game. You may of course take your pick.

McCain's "foxhole" is too big after all those rapings in Nam.

"After 1999, the only member of the Keating Five criminals to remaining in the U.S. Senate was John McCain, who is the Republican candidate in the 2008 U.S. presidential election."

This is getting boring to read and there's nothing informative in the comments. I'm moving on to sports to find out whether Agent Zero is going to stay with the Wizards.

Both Obama and McCain are members of a political class that continues to fool everyone by pitting them against each other with this "2 party" ideology. Obama and the democratic leadership aren't standing up to the white house on Iraq, Iran, or domestic spying. McCain has betrayed conservatism at every turn.

Why do you all argue about them when both will continue the same poisonous policies of big government, corporate welfare, illegal warfare, and inflation?

The democrats overlooked Dennis Kucinich, and the republicans overlooked Ron Paul. Both are men of true character and intellect, unlike these shills.

Barrack Obama eats children.

From BillW: "But note he needs to be willing to use it. Remember he chickened out on debating Clinton, the Town Hall discussions with McCain, and going to Iraq with McCain."

Good point, although I'm not sure I buy the argument that the President (any President) is going to run from a fight where he's actually being attacked in a foxhole. And obviously, Barack Obama, running for President when he knows that the chance of some lunatic trying to kill him for being black (or for whatever) is probably at about 99%, also probably doesn't jibe too well with your point.

I don't have the facts in front of me, I'll admit, but I remember several debates between Clinton and Obama (don't I?!?) so I'm not sure where the "chickening out" is there. I'm also not sure how deciding not to go on a trip with your political opponent is "chickening out." Is that something we've seen a lot of in the past few elections? I don't know...don't seem to recall it...but you must, as you have a problem with it. Could you let me know?

But more to your point: If you're right, I suppose he could hand me the grenade and just point out the bad guys. I don't know. This point is probably a wash for McCain and Obama.

Do you think maybe I should score the two of them based on which of them might help me dig the foxhole in the first place?

Bill said re Obama in a foxhole:
" Barack Obama is younger and probably has better eyesight and a better throwing arm "

But note he needs to be willing to use it. Remember he chickened out on debating Clinton, the Town Hall discussions with McCain, and going to Iraq with McCain.

Most Soliders are former Criminals.

Combining all the current state polls to-date shows that if the election were held today, Obama would have 317 electoral votes, McCain 221, with the following states being lost to the Democrats compared to 2004: Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, New Mexico, Ohio, Virginia.

We can NOT allow a man who does not look like the majority of Americans AND who has the middle name of Hussein achieve such a landslide victory. For one thing, it would play right into the hands of the rest of the world who are all rooting for Obama. Why elect someone the foreigners want, we have to keep them fearful and distainful of us if we are to have any hopes of continuing our world dominance and securing the Iraqi oil.

Please, help do everything you can to defeat Obama. Use ANY tool and I mean ANY tool (such as Clintons4McCain) to defeat him. No holds barred in this election, it's a crisis and we need to get down and dirty.

McCain needs to stop talking about Obama - he doesn't matter - the wars do!!

We need to attack Iran, Syria, North Korea, and China ASAP!!!

McCain, I hope use all those new nukes you plan to make, on nuking these evil nations!

We must attack them before they attack us!

Obama would surrender this nation to China on his first day in office!!! We can't let this happen.

NUKES NOW!

To Daddio on the Paddio:

This is exactly my point. The same process is replaying itself. Barack and Axelrod learned all to well from Rove and Bush. The 24/7 "news" channels and print media continue to spread the propaganda fed to them by the candidates. Bush sucked as President - no one disagrees with that. McCain disagrees with Bush on so many issues that the fanatical base of the Republican Party see him as a closet liberal. But, Barack and Axelrod continue to paint everyone but BHO as a continuation of Bush. Even Rahm Immanuel is spreading the big lie - that McCain is the reincarnation of Bush. He isn't. McCain hates GW. There will never, ever be another GW unless we the fail in our duty as American citizens to hold these jokers to their word. Political posturing on NAFTA? Supporting the FISA bill "compromise"? Wearing a flag pin, are we? Never was in church when Wright was on one of his anti-American tirades - in 20 years? That wasn't Barack starting his political career in B. Ayres' living room? Believe you in faith based charities receiving government, do you? C'mon Daddio - you actually believe what comes out of this joker's mouth?

Obama has risked his life by running in this campaign.

What a patriot!

Posted by "Toxic Avenger" (who, by the way, is a cartoon character): What it boils down to as an american, who would you trust to watch your back in a foxhole[...]

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Really? Is that what it boils down to? Who's got my back in a foxhole? Dammit; I haven't even *started* to dig my foxhole yet.

I was too busy running my little company and raising my kids and loving my wife and enjoying my family and friends and helping my neighbors and going to church and going to school and keeping my yard up and recycling and volunteering to help those less fortunate than me and being politically involved. (You know, being a "liberal," which is what I am).

Alright...I'll admit right now: I didn't even know I was going to need a foxhole. Am I only going to need it if John McCain wins or does it not matter who the president is? It seems like I should have had one the past eight years what with the escalating violence all around the world. Is it just too late?

And all this time I though my decision would not be based on who I would prefer to have in my foxhole (which, again, I didn't even know about). I was looking at the issues and the records of both these fine men and which would be best for my community. I've always been a fan of John McCain, but I do more typically vote Democrat, and I gotta tell ya' this new kid? Barack Obama? He's got a really compelling message and the hope...yes, the hope...that this country could actually right itself is exciting. I don't get that feeling from McCain, I don't think, though he'd clearly be at least an adequate President (and we haven't had one of those for *at least* six or seven years as far as I can tell) and probably much better than that. I'm not in the camp that considers him "more of George W. Bush."

Oh man; you have really ruined my day with this foxhole thing.

A first thought: Barack Obama is younger and probably has better eyesight and a better throwing arm (assuming my foxhole will have grenades...should I get some?). That's a positive.

Then again, John McCain probably has better stories if it turns out my foxhole in a suburb of Ohio isn't exactly on the front lines of...of...of what, exactly?

In any case...I'm going to work on this. I swear it.

On To Denver said:

" Obama thinks he has won by fixing the primary election "

Obama won because his "Wright baggage" didn't hit the news until Mar. 13, after the first 11 primaries. It was nip and tuck after that. He does not deserve to be the nominee. Maybe dog-catcher, but not the nominee.

oh my gosh - this is rich! from toxic avenger..."Imagine no liberals, what a wonderful world it would be. No welfare, little government, no entitlements, a lot less crime, more private schools, fighting terrorists wherever they live and torturing them when necessary, a lot less taxes, more freedom and control over personal finances and no Barack Hussein Obama."

Posted by: Toxic Avenger | July 1, 2008 4:31 PM

Wow, Let's see - no safety net no unemployment insurance, no fema assistance, no disaster help, no public schools, no public state universities, torturing government suspects willy nilly, less taxes and more freedom - freedom to have our phone's tapped and be held without charge or a lawyer - sounds geat, eh??? - jeez what a maroon.

sounds a little like pre 1900 America (or republican herbert hoover's 1930's depressed America) ruled by robber barrons, mining, oil, bank and insurance companies with no good jobs, no health care, no safety net, no middle class, no protections for anyone.

I am beginning to see an Obama Landslide - and with that, this liberal patriot who loves his country is out.

AJ asked:
" why is patriotism so often defined by weather or not you served in the armed services? "

Because it's also called risking your life for your country and those in it, whether they themselves serve or not.

I sometimes wonder whether some of the nastier comments on both sides are posted by the same people who brought us false McCain adultery rumors in 2000 or false Obama-is-a-Muslim rumors in 2008. Are you folks (you know who you are) a bunch of 'bots being paid by one side or the other to wage some sort of proxy war? Grow up already! Show a little respect for your fellow human beings and their right to have and hold their own opinions even if you disagree with them.

Obama doesn't face a big task- he is winning! And he has the wind at his back: a huge financial advantage, massive grassroots and ground operational support, the high ground on the key policy issues, a charismatic advantage... and the list goes on. After the debates people will be more comfortable with Obama. And in late October, when Gen Powell endorses the Jr Sen from Illinois, it will be over. Turnout among young voters and blacks will break the current polling models.

I know that the media has a vested interested in making this a close election, but this is Obama's to lose, today's polls understate his real advantage, and this thing could become an obvious landslide very soon.

As all of you Bushies have come to like saying, "Love it or leave it".

Start packing your bags and dont let the door hit you where the good Lord split you after Obama gets the only W that will matter from November '08 forward.

no-name said re McCains Medals:
"That definitely make him Presidential"

There are doers and there are talkers. Obama is the latter.

The guy can run rings around any of the WaPo staff, so they get Dan Balz out of his cupboard a couple of times a week to attempt another hatchet job on him.

Seems to be the task of the year:
Harrass Obama on every possible occasion. Make sure we all know what problems he faces, what rumors are spread about him, what sinners he consorted with in his younger days - all in the public interest, you understand - etc etc etc . . .

While the really interesting stuff - like the smoke coming out of the Vice President's building, the millions of "lost" e-mails, the "coalition" of the bribed and threatened all over the world - well, I'll be danged - it just doesn't seem to arouse the slightest interest in the staff of one of the country's former leading newspapers.

Perhaps I'll start my own paper and instruct my staff to make it a priority to hound the staff of other newspapers for info on their personal problems, on rumors spread about them, on the sinners they used to hang out with in their younger days, etc etc etc . . .

Come on, WaPo; Obama is going to be President unless Cheney accidentally fires another shotgun in his vicinity.
Why don't you just help the guy?
America DOES need help, you know.

Just as John McCain has collaborated with the Vietnamese enemy, he has been collaborating with the leaders of the Mexican Reconquista movement for some time. Among other outrages, he was the keynote speaker at the 2004 annual conference of the National Council of La Raza. He told the crowd: "It is in our national interest to bring the 8 to 12 million undocumented immigrants out of the shadows and allow them an opportunity to become citizens of this great nation."

After the massive illegal alien protests last year, McCain made the following statement: "If such demonstrations continue, I think we will have a bill for the President to sign soon. The more debate, the more demonstrations, the more likely we will prevail."

Under Sen. McCain's immigration bill, even members of Mexican drug gangs would receive amnesty by simply signing a statement in which they renounce their gang affiliation.

Obama thinks he has won by fixing the primary election, but Hillary and the PUMAs have a plan for the convention. I am PUMa. Hear me growl. Grrr

Posted by: On to Denver | July 1, 2008 4:34 PM

NICE PUSSY

TYPICAL OBAMA SUPPORTER HERE

kcarnell said:

" Billw- You are a rascist and a fool"

Typical Obama supporter response. Play the race card and name-call. The mark of losers.

why is patriotism so often defined by weather or not you served in the armed services? god bless all that serve in that way...and, lets keep the solders out of the oval office. now is the time to sow peace, not wage more war.

Imagine no liberals, what a wonderful world it would be. No welfare, little government, no entitlements, a lot less crime, more private schools, fighting terrorists wherever they live and torturing them when necessary, a lot less taxes, more freedom and control over personal finances and no Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: Toxic Avenger | July 1, 2008 4:31 PM

Sounds like Hannity's America.
You would have to create someone to hate. Like yourselves.

Mike-liberals can't win being liberals, except in San Fran or Boston. Which is why the run as patriotic conservative americans. They know it's true, but to them, power is all it counts.

Obama thinks he has won by fixing the primary election, but Hillary and the PUMAs have a plan for the convention. I am PUMa. Hear me growl. Grrr

If Republicans were "patriots," then DC would have a rep in congress because true patriots would do something drastic if they had taxation without representation, like throw a bunch of tea in a harbor and make everybody study it in history class for the rest of time.

That's what true patriots did, not just claim to be patriotic because they DENY voting rights

Was it patriotic to get a silver spoon slot in the Naitonal Guard and then dissapear right out of the guard when drug and alcohol testing began?

was it patriotic to defer out of the vietnam draft 7 times due to connections - while those without had to go over?

was it patriotic to pretend sadam and iraq had a nuclear bomb and fool much of the american public into thinking sadam sponsored 9/11 so we could go in and occupy iraq, killing thousands of americans and hundreds of thousands of iraqis - in order to set up the oil fields for the contracts we finally saw this week - for fat cat u.s. oil companies, haliburton and the like?

was it patriotic to force a true hero - Colin Powell - to lie to the U.N. and then force him out because you sided with draft dodger dick cheney and rumsfeld?

One thing is for sure, Barracky Hussein Obama is sounding more and more like a conservative Repupblican - what a shame, you pathetic, vile and ignorant Democrats.

Imagine no liberals, what a wonderful world it would be. No welfare, little government, no entitlements, a lot less crime, more private schools, fighting terrorists wherever they live and torturing them when necessary, a lot less taxes, more freedom and control over personal finances and no Barack Hussein Obama.

Here are some of McCains's allies. Traitors, Terrorists, Anti-Americans, Crooks, and Religious Extremists:

George Bush
Dick Cheney
Karl Rove
Osama bin Laden
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
`Abdul-`Azīz Āl Sa`ūd
Saud ibn Abd al-Aziz ibn Abd al-Rahman Al Saud
Faisal bin Abdul Aziz
Muhammad ibn Abd al-Aziz ibn Abd al-Rahman Al Saud
Khalid bin Abdul Aziz
Pervez Musharraf
KKK
US Nazi Party
US Fasist Party
Oil Executives
Defense Industry Executives
John Hagee
Rod Parsley
Al Qaeda
Hamas
Outsourcing Industry
Taliban
KGB
His Mistress (now his wife after he dumped first one after cheating on her).

carolinagirl asked:

" BillW, how did McCain prove him patriotism? "

McCain was awarded a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals, two Purple Hearts and a dozen service awards. How's Obama doing in proving his? Looks to me like he's just doing a lot of talking about it.

Posted by: Billw | July 1, 2008 4:27 PM

Whoa,

That definitely make him Presidential.

NOT

you have to love the ridiculous fringe comments from both sides of the fence.

"obama's a racist muslim who wants to see america weak"
"if you don't support obama then you're a racist"
"he's a socialist who wants to raise your taxes and destroy the economy"
"blah, blah, blah."

look, my righties and lefties, in case you haven't noticed, america is already weak. our military is spread paper thin. our currency is on the way to being on par with the peso courtesy of a ridiculous trade deficit, and borrowing insane amounts of $$ from the chinese to fund the "war on terror". yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are at war with an EMOTION.
the housing market has collapsed, healthcare is unaffordable, gasoline is unaffordable, and groceries are starting to become unaffordable, our infrastructure is falling apart, all while the richest 1% of this country have gotten richer & our wages haven't increased at all for us lowly plebes.
hey self-serving american lemmings, guess what? taxes NEED to go up! he doesn't plan on crushing your $45,000 salary with them. he's going to raise CAPITAL GAINS, which are taxed EXPONENTIALLY LESS that our wages. i hate to break it to you, but other than selling your home (if it's not under foreclosure already), you will probably never see a cent of capital gains money unless you're pulling six figures plus and even know how to invest (which 99% of americans don't. not your fault though, no one teaches us). are you that retarded to not realize that the rich 1% of this country use the media (which they own) to divide us along race and class lines? divide and conquer, my constituents. that's the best way to defend the system that their $ has created. hey, you have to give it to them, at least they know how to defend their own self interest, unlike most of us.

sorry lefties, i'm not necessarity on your side either. i'm considering taking a contract with blackwater and capitalizing on the artificial war economy while i can. i may be taking blood money in your eyes, but unfortunately singing kumbiya by the campfire won't feed my 2 kids. i think this is the 1st all volunteer war in the history of america. don't worry, when iran kicks off i'll probably see some of you out there. (hopefully i'll mostly see people who voted for bush the 2nd time and haven't served though. that would be a riot!)

but my point is this: deprogram yourselves from the main stream media. if you're not ridiculously rich or connected, you're just going to have to flow with the tide and do your best to survive in the world. welcome to adulthood. don't let the mainstream media, and even your political party or candidate of choice spoonfeeds to you in 30 second ads, soundbites and videos on youtube lull you into the stupidity you were in when you voted for bush the 2nd time. read the issues (not the smears) and the positions (not the viral email YOU MORONS) and VOTE INFORMED.

really, how hard is that?

No one should have to say how much of a patriot they are. It should be evident in their actions. But since their are no actions for evidence, instead we get more words.

Save your breath.

carolinagirl asked:

" BillW, how did McCain prove him patriotism? "

McCain was awarded a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals, two Purple Hearts and a dozen service awards. How's Obama doing in proving his? Looks to me like he's just doing a lot of talking about it.

What it boils down to is poor campaign management by David Ploufe. Only an idiot would believe that someone is running for president that is unpatriotic. I am not discounting the fact that there are a lot of idiots out there, just look at Appalachia, however they weren't going to vote for Obama anyway.

Ploufe needs to get Obama's head out of his butt and talk to Americans about things that matter. Every moment spent discussing flag pins does nothing to save a soldier, feed a baby, or reduce the deficit.

gala1-

Sen. Obama has plenty of experience. And you know it. This inexperience argument is nonsense. What has John McCain learned from 30 years in the Senate? I'll tell you: He's learned how to be a Senator. Our job as citizen's is to listen to the candidates and then vote for the one who we think will give the country the leadership it needs. If you feel that's Sen. McCain, then fine. But this experience nonsense has to stop. Some of our greatest presidents (actually, most) have resumes similar in size and scope to Sen. Obama's. And it's in no way the resume of an "empty suit."

to Toxic Avenger - which liberal record is a disgrace - supporting an increase in the GI Bill that McCain opposed? Ignored obl - you mean the ignoring of Terorrism liason Dick Clark in all of 2001 or the FBI in Minnesota in 2001 before 9/11, or when W was given the briefing entitlied 'bin laden determined to attack u.s. using airliners' in August of 2001?

Toxic Avenger | July 1, 2008 4:13 PM

You really love him don't you? But there are forces inside you that won't allow you to express your love for Mr. Obama.

I understand.

Posted by: Greg | July 1, 2008 4:20 PM

I bet he has the hots for Obama. Barachophobia

There are a lot of maroons here spouting nonsense about Marx and Marxist ideology that don't have the foggiest notion of the underpinnings of Marx's writings. For the subset of you who can actually read, open your mind and take some time to read what he has to say. In some ways, he champions the contemporary equivalent of a small business owner. Most of what he says is about social and economic justice and the poison of large aggregations of capital (i.e., large corporations).

Whatever, even posting this is a waste of time.

Most of you maroons feel that you have a grasp on information based upon what Sean, Rush, Glenn, or some other voice box spouts rather than actually reading the source. For such fools, Marx = socialism = Soviet Communism. That simple equality works for you and there's nothing that anybody reasonable can say to change your small mind. At least the shouting hosts make a living off of their parsed poison. You all have no excuse except for your own colossal ignorance. Calling you sheep is insulting to that calm, useful, and measured species.

Barry O'Flip-Floppa is just as Patriotic as any World Labor Party Socialist! ;~)

All together now!

"I pledge allegiance to George Soros, and to the Lawyers he supports, for his Money, there is no God..."

What it boils down to as an american, who would you trust to watch your back in a foxhole, John McCain (a real american hero) or Barack Hussein Obama (non-military, supported by american terrorist Bill Ayers). It must really hurt being a liberal, always angry, always on the losing end, always having to have your candidate pretend he's patriotic and conservative.

Toxic Avenger | July 1, 2008 4:13 PM

You really love him don't you? But there are forces inside you that won't allow you to express your love for Mr. Obama.

I understand.

I don't doubt Obama's patriotism and I am big supporter of McCain. They both love their country and I am all about issues. Obama as a pro-choice candidate and other radical positions doesn't get my vote.

re: Toxic Avenger 4:00 PM-

How's the weather on the lunatic fringe?

toxic avenger- "Google: George Soros, black panthers, Bill Ayers, Resko, Reverend Wright. That will give you plenty of time to digest and then you can come up with your excuse. Never served this country, why not. Is white mother was a atheist-how proud. His brother is a muslim-so great to hear. His father, a Kenyan is a devote Muslim too. Nothing red, white and blue about Barack Hussein Obama. Life sux when your a liberal, eh?"----------

wow - that's an ignorant post. so if something is different from you, you fear and hate it? is that what being red white and blue and American is to you? Not to me - I trust my fellow Americans and judge people on their merits and actions. Barack got out of America's #1 law school and could have made the big bucks for himself - instead he dove in to Chicago neighborhoods to work helping communities that were losing jobs overseas. so rev. wright the black panthers and a former weather underground guy are pulling obama's strings and will control our government? That's just laughable. maybe you should ask Colin Powell about Obama.

Perhaps you should take a look at McCain's near corrupt dealings with corporate interests, lobbyists, and the Keating scandal to know about him.

"Muslim is not an ethnicity, as people have repeatedly pointed out to you. You do not inherit being Muslim."

Wrong. In fact, given the immense poverty and repression characteristic of the typical Islamic country, one of the few things you DO inherit is being Muslim. Islamic countries simply do not accomodate religious freedom. You are born as a Muslim (indeed, many - such as Indonesia - stamp it on your identity card) and you better plan to stay that way or otherwise you get killed as an apostate."
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Rory, your response is so ridiculous I don't even know where to begin. But, I'll start with this: I am Muslim, my parents were born and raised in a Muslim country (Iran), so my comment and opinion are not baseless.

First, there is no "typical" Muslim country, and there is no "typical" practice of Islam within Muslim countries.(I GUARANTEE YOU THIS!)

Second, just because you live in a Muslim country, or have Muslim relatives does not mean you proscribe to a certain ideology or set of beliefs. Sure, you might be exposed to something that changes the way you see the world, but that happens whenever you're exposed to different cultures or religions. And FYI, that's not a bad or dangerous thing. If you understand where people are coming from, then you can communicate more effectively and reach a broader audience.

I think that's what's so appealing about Barrack Obama. He's had so many different life experiences that it seems he can relate to many different types of people.

I'm really sick of hearing comments about Barrack's connection to the Muslim community. Muslims are not the "boogy monster" looking to get you.

Get off the internet, go meet different people and find out for yourself.

Whether you agree with Barrack Obama's positions, please stop reading more into his so-called "connection" to the Muslim community.

Here are some of McCains's allies. Traitors, Terrorists, Anti-Americans, Crooks, and Religious Extremists:

George Bush
Dick Cheney
Karl Rove
Osama bin Laden
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
`Abdul-`Azīz Āl Sa`ūd
Saud ibn Abd al-Aziz ibn Abd al-Rahman Al Saud
Faisal bin Abdul Aziz
Muhammad ibn Abd al-Aziz ibn Abd al-Rahman Al Saud
Khalid bin Abdul Aziz
Pervez Musharraf
KKK
US Nazi Party
US Fasist Party
Oil Executives
Defense Industry Executives
John Hagee
Rod Parsley
Al Qaeda
Hamas
Outsourcing Industry
Taliban
KGB
His Mistress (now his wife after he dumped first one after cheating on her).

For those of you spreading these lies about Obama all I can say is you must be Republicans. I can not help but notice there is nothing about issues. Well McCain the so called military hero would not even support the new GI Bill. He has personally set back mass transit in this country to the stone age by refusing to support any improvements for the past decade or more. He does not seem well informed about foreign affairs unless he has Leacherman standing behind him so he can whisper the facts in his ear. He broke his own campaign finance law. He supports Bush's policies down the line. He only took up this green environment thing to fool people into thinking he gives a darn about the environment. He is full of gimmicks designed to give people the impression that he has a policy. His involvement with lobbyist not only cost the American people millions from the Keating 5 episode but cost many people their savings as well. I doubt McCain ever shed a tear for any of them. He should have been kicked out of the Senate and sent to jail but his rich friends bought him out of that one. He tried to use his influence illegally on the FCC on behalf of a lobbyist he had an affair with. I guess Cindy got to see how it felt when McCain did to her what he did to his first wife. I believe he has been known to describe his current wife with the name c**t. That must be short for Cindy. His current economical advisor is Phil Gramm. The same Phil Gramm who has had a key role in the current housing disaster and energy crisis. He is the one who put the Enron loophole in some legislation that lead to the bleeding of California to near bankruptcy by driving their electrical cost through the roof. Now it appears he is involved in the same thing only this time it is the whole country with oil prices. If you look behind the curtain at McCain's campaign personnel you will find a lot of dark, sinister people who would flush their own grandmothers down the sewer in the name of making a buck. This country needs a breath of fresh air and McCain with his stinking vermin definitely is not the answer.

If you do not like the credentials of Senator Obama then you are racist! It's already intolerable.

It's not 18 months on the campaign trail that is a factor is his weakness, it's that he has been badly advised into doing this.

Without experience and without tangible accomplishments all he can say is he'd like to be president. Big woo.
And this is the wrong election for presenting yourself as nothing else but a lifetime accretion of entitlements.
It just makes it sound like the Presidency is the biggest cherry yet to be picked.

Running someone who has only gotten his hands dirty when the ink smeared on his latest grant next to a war hero who has been in congress since before Obama was even an adult is not going to go over well with people who hav to work for a living.

Then they'll find out that Michelle Obama with Barack Obama's approval took a salary increase to $300,000 from $150,000 in a puff patronage position from a NON-PROFIT HOSPITAL the day her husband went to Washington wherethe could vote favorably on legislation that would benefit her employer.

Montana is a joke.
It's not who Obama is, he's a hologram.
It's not about what he's done, since there is nothing tangible there.
And it's not about what he'll do since he keeps breaking his own campaign promises before he has even been nominated.

............so why bother?
I am not supporting McCain either. Both these candidates are an insult to America.
And if Bill Clinton really was the patriot we'd love him all to be, he'd denounce both of them.

McCain will win since he's more traditionally acceptable to a country that is turned off to both candidates and can expect no leadership that is reassuring or iconic of strength from either of these inadequate candidates.
Both parties need to face facts and come up with two other candidates because these are just a squander of the electoral process.

-gala1

You can try to defend this empty-suit, but be honest, if was darker, fat and bald the DNC would have nothing to do with Barack Hussein Obama. His liberal record is more of a disgrace than Nancy Pelosi, and that's hard to do. So once again, the materialistic voters see someone based on there looks, just like Bill Clinton-the one that ignored terrorism for 8 years. Haven't you tools learned anything? This is not the American Idol show, this is the real world, yet you want to ignore every freakin red flag Barack Hussein Obama has, so pathetic. Enjoy you visions of who you "want" Barack Hussein Obama to be, but the voters of this country will not ignore his past or the red flags that will be coming out very soon. LMMFAO1

I hate to be a cynic but with the current state of American politics, it really doesn't matter who is President with regards to how it affects the public's daily activities.

To: Toxic Avenger | July 1, 2008 4:00 PM

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You sir are a coward. Grow a spine and step out of your extremists cave.

McCain is about as dishonorable as you can be. He's backstabbed the military services by supporting torture, and not supporting more help for our returning soliders.

Where is the honor that this McCain continues to beat his chest about?

Sorry smallbusinessowners4barack-and soon to be out of business. Google: George Soros, black panthers, Bill Ayers, Resko, Reverend Wright. That will give you plenty of time to digest and then you can come up with your excuse. Never served this country, why not. Is white mother was a atheist-how proud. His brother is a muslim-so great to hear. His father, a Kenyan is a devote Muslim too. Nothing red, white and blue about Barack Hussein Obama. Life sux when your a liberal, eh?

Posted by: Toxic Avenger | July 1, 2008 4:00 PM

You forgot the boggieman. What an idot.

university graduate - Yes Barack is a politician - he's not phony - he has real achievements, a fascinating diverse background, a history of hard work for his goals and for others, and the possibility to unite this country and change our broken tit for tat system.

phony is calling for a gas tax holiday and not supporting an increase in the GI bill.

One must also ask themselves, if Senator Obama or Senator McCain is elected president in November, who will be the least tiresome to bear watching or listening to for four years? That is, for the last agonizing eight years, I can't
even listen to or watch this Fraud of a President George W. Bush whenever I turn on the radio or TV. He literally elicits
foreboding and stomach cramps. Even before
the actual presidential election, Senator John McCain has no clue what a bag of hot air he is already becoming. At least Senator Obama is compelling in the manner by which he speaks.

Why does a black man always have to prove he's patriotic? Hun?

Bush and Cheney are patriot.

So is Karl Rove and Sean Hannity.

Sorry smallbusinessowners4barack-and soon to be out of business. Google: George Soros, black panthers, Bill Ayers, Resko, Reverend Wright. That will give you plenty of time to digest and then you can come up with your excuse. Never served this country, why not. Is white mother was a atheist-how proud. His brother is a muslim-so great to hear. His father, a Kenyan is a devote Muslim too. Nothing red, white and blue about Barack Hussein Obama. Life sux when your a liberal, eh?

Dan Dan Dan

Please stop with all this Obama bashing. Your candidate McCain will not and cannot inspire America to greatness. Your guy and his surrogates have labeled Obama a flip flopper. That is hypocrisy of the highest order. McCain has changed his mind on countless issues. I don't mind if a candidate changes their mind when circumstances present themselves, but for political reasons is a definite no no.
Excuse me (I have no intention to ridicule), but McCain come across like an old fuddy dud.
No one wants to pay more taxes that they can afford and McCain thought Bush's tax cut for the rich was irresponsible...now he's for it.
One final not: I wish people would look up in the Merriam Webster dictionary what Conservative and Liberal mean...everyone would be surprised.

Hey Goons,

The red states will, and a bucket of chicken. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!!!

Toxic Avenger - "We all know who Barack Hussein Obama is, who is friends are and who's pulling his strings. Why can't the MSM and the liberal kooks out there admit it? There is NOTHING american about Barack Hussein Obama, and NOTHING to be proud of."

No, I don't - why don't you tell us? I'll be waiting for an answer.

Consult Keating Scandal and his lobbiest staff (Charlie Black)'s record to know who's pulling McCain's.

I agree with Bill, whoever he is. This entire post is an embarrassment.

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All the racists in the world
won't keep Obama out
of the White House.

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Elizabeth - Thank you. Well Said! Post that far and wide.

--white guy in Virginia sick of the awful smear politics - ready for Obama.

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I'm not sure what it is the "voters" still want to know.

If serving many years in the house and/or senate is a requirement of aspiring to the presidency, how come? There have been many men (and a few women) who served for a long time and had skeletons in their political closets none of us knew about. They walk away in shame and a sigh of relief, having fooled the electorate for many years and not being punished for it.

Are these voters hoping that with more time they might be able to find skeletons in Senator Obama's political closet? Are they waiting and hoping for him to screw up? If that's the intent, these are voters who are generally looking for a valid reason NOT to vote for him. They don't really want to vote for McCain, but they're just not comfortable voting for Obama. The question then becomes "what is the reason behind not wanting to vote for Obama?" Is it ideological or something else? In my opinion, "we just don't know enough about him" is thinly veiled bigotry. I've encountered more than a few people who simply don't want to see him in the White House because he's biracial and multi cultural, something his supporters see as a strength, both at home and abroad.

The man has written two books about his life. There have been countless articles published about him, his family, and his political experience. He and his family have been under intense (and in many cases, unfair) scrutiny ever since he announced his candidacy. His voting record is available to the public. His every move has been documented for the past two years. He has stated in many venues and forums what his policies are and will be if elected.

What are we waiting for? We've seen that the "experience" granted by holding various elected and appointed political positions doesn't guarantee a good presidency or administration.

The American public claims to want leaders unsullied by the corruption, malaise, and business-as-usual brand of politics in Washington, D.C. Now we have a fresh-faced young man who meets that description and still we have naysayers--"He's too inexperienced."

It's not enough to describe this political season as a tug of war between the right and the left, the liberals and the conservatives, the Republicans and the Democrats. This election, whether people want to admit it or not, has become about race. People are coming to terms with their own very personal, deeply-felt racial biases. They are being "forced" to come to terms with something deep within themselves they thought was resolved by being "comfortable" with well-known African-American public figures, and therefore believing everything is equal now. Many are surprised and disappointed to discover they still harbor feelings of fear, misunderstanding, and dislike, if not hate. The result is rationalization of those beliefs and searching for ways to validate how they're feeling without admitting to themselves, or anybody else, what lies at the root of those feelings and beliefs.

This results in the dissemination of (mis)information we've all heard or read in recent months: "he's a Muslim"; "he has ties to a member of the 1960s radical group Weather Underground"; "he's too 'smooth'"; "he hides behind his public speaking skills" (?); "his wife said 'whitey' in church"; "he'll support the terrorists"; "he's not patriotic because he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin"; "he was sworn in using the Qu'ran"; he turns his back on the flag"; he won't recite the Pledge of Allegiance"; "we don't know anything about him"; "he's too inexperienced"; and so forth. In my opinion, these are the excuses of people who don't want to vote for him because he's black. They just can't bring themselves to seeing a black man in the oval office.

Our nation is on the brink of disaster with regard to our infrastructure and the economy. Our standing in the world and relationships with other countries are tenuous at best and disastrous at worst. As a nation, we have been greatly weakened by a president and an administration that has no boundaries or sense of duty to anyone or anything other than themselves. We are no longer a strong nation. We are not safer than we were before 9/11. Our constitution has been torn apart by an administration blinded by greed and fear. Our military is depleted. We are vulnerable. We are a mess. And this is all courtesy of the 7.5 years of the Bush administration.

I truly fear for the immediate future of this nation, especially if we're still so collectively simple-minded that we won't vote for a man who has laid out FOR US a wonderful vision and blueprint for our troubled nation, but is black. That would be a very sad commentary on the state of our nation.

So what it is the voters need to know? They need to tell me, an Obama supporter. My guy has been through the ringer so badly at times that I almost wished he'd drop out of the race for the sake of his sanity and well-being. I truly don't know what it is they still need to know.

If you truly, TRULY don't support Senator Obama because you don't like his positions on abortion, gay rights, the economy, etc., then just say so. Don't hide behind some nebulous claim that has no foundation in fact. Be honest with yourself.

Posted by: Elizabeth | July 1, 2008 3:32 PM

STAY TUNE TO THE NEXT EPISODE OF THE DEMS AND THE REPUBLICANS. BROUGHT TO YOU BY: CORPORATE AMERICA. YES, THIS IS A SOAP OPERA. YOU ALREADY KNOW WHO YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR, S0 WHY TRY TO CONVINCE OTHERS? ITS SUMMER. GET A LIFE.

maggieb-
You're an idiot. McCain made propaganda video for the NVA for chrissakes. Some hero... rewrite history in your own head where you're always right, but open your mouth and stick your foot in it. We are only now peeling back the onion skin layers of corruption and rot from the repub doormat congress and the worst failure as a (p)resident ever. The best you have is Obama the community organizer meeting with people you don't like. If you want to sling mud, prepare to be hit.

Actually Obama did very well in the Montana primary. Especially in Missoula, the home of the University of Montana. I predict Montana will support Obama in the general election.

Teddy, I have actually never heard anyone say Obama would be an affirmative action president.

He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School and was editor of the Harvard Law Review - two of the highest academic honors possible in this country.

Someone would really have to be practically a moron to think he got where he did b/c of affirmative action. I think the reason that is so rarely mentioned is b/c it's so patently false. Even the liars don't think they could sell that one.

If McCain is so great now, why wasn't he so great 8 years ago when he wasn't 72 years old? The republicans decided that Bush was better 8 years ago. So if Bush is better, how can anyone justify voting for someone already labeled not-as-good-as-Bush?
McCain was also painted as 'crazy' by some republicans because of his POW time. Is that also no longer true? Or was it never true?
Such a short memory this country has.

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Brilliantly obvious!

Someone named "Denn" wrote (in part):

Reading the dribble from the dark side of liberal you can see why barry obama [...]

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Here's my question: Why do people purposefully mistype or mispronounce a candidate's name when they don't like them? Is that some kind of social retardation? Going back to childhood to taunt others "Ha, ha! Your name rhymes with "fart" (as might be heard on The Simpsons).

I mean, really. Why the purposeful ignorance? Do you think it makes your point better to say something, well, that's obviously wrong?

And this goes for both sides. "Barry Obama," "McSame," etc. As an American, it's all just so embarrassing to read that kind of stupidity filling our political "discourse" (which this page certainly does not reflect much of). To be sure, many of the other comments are ridiculous, racist, arrogant, off-point, etc. But that kind of infantile wording just brings it all down that much further.

So, I'd really like to know--what's the point? (You, "Denn," particularly...I'd like to hear why you do that.

We all know who Barack Hussein Obama is, who is friends are and who's pulling his strings. Why can't the MSM and the liberal kooks out there admit it? There is NOTHING american about Barack Hussein Obama, and NOTHING to be proud of.

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