Obama to Deliver Values Speech at St. Louis Church Conference
By Jonathan Weisman
ST. LOUIS -- After a week touring Republican strongholds, Sen. Barack Obama heads back to familiar turf today, addressing the annual conference of the African Methodist Episcopal Church this afternoon with promises that he will make "faith-based" social service "a moral center of my administration."
"The challenges we face today -- war and poverty, joblessness and homelessness, violent streets and crumbling schools -- are not simply technical problems in search of a 10-point plan," he is expected to say before the largely black audience of conference attendees, according to a prepared text of his speech. "They are moral problems, rooted in both societal indifference and individual callousness -- in the imperfections of man. And so the values we believe in -- empathy and justice and responsibility to ourselves and out neighbors -- these cannot only be expressed in our churches and our synagogues, but in our policies and in out laws."
Of the two presumptive nominees for the White House, Obama, the Democrat, has been far more outspoken about his religious beliefs than has John McCain, the Republican. Conservative evangelical Christians remain skeptical that Obama's faith comports with their own, however, especially his support for abortion and gay rights.
James Dobson, the evangelical head of Focus on the Family, last month accused Obama of "deliberately distorting the traditional understanding of the Bible to fit his own worldview, his own confused theology."
But unlike recent Democratic nominees, Obama is also courting conservative religious voters, hoping, if not to win them over, at least to hold down McCain's margins with them.
Last month, Obama met for an extended session in Chicago with Franklin Graham, Billy Graham's son and the leader of the Graham ministry, along with about 30 other evangelical leaders. McCain sought out an audience with Franklin and Billy Graham last week at the family's mountaintop retreat in Western North Carolina.
In St. Louis, Obama today faces an overwhelmingly friendly crowd, but his message is aimed at an audience far beyond the AME Church, one of the largest and oldest African American denominations in the country.
He will speak at length on his journey from a youth with no real religious affiliation to a committed Christian. And he plans to pointedly mention that his father, a Kenyan immigrant who left his family when Obama was a small child, was an atheist, trying to dispel the notion that he comes from Muslim roots.
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Posted by: Anonymous | July 8, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse
Racism bares a thousand faces.
Posted by: FirstMouse | July 8, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse
Personally, I WILL NEVER VOTE for anybody who supports Gay and Lesbian rights. He claims to make his administration (if he wins) revolving around honest religion and moral rights. But look people:
GOD SAYS IN THE BIBLE THAT GAYS AND LESBIANS ARE SINNERS. MAN WAS MEANT TO MARRY WOMAN, NOT ANOTHER MAN. If God supported Gays and Lesbians, why did he create Adam the man, and Eve the woman. He should have instead created Adam the man, and Bob, the other man, or maybe Eve the woman, and Eva, the other woman.
Obama is a hypocrite for saying he will follow his religion closely while in office, even though he supports homosexuals.
Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse
The hatred for Senator Obama thats being reflected in these emails shows there is an underlying fact that the man is BLACK and so many Americans can't see beyond his race. Get over it! God is creator of the human race not just one race. I pray that you and others will find some reconcilation with the fact that a 72 year old candidate is no match for this inspiring leader by the name of Barack Hussein Obama.
Posted by: Bill Peterson | July 7, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse
Obama is the BIGGEST embarrassment to the Democrat party. Or what is left of the "party." He was NEVER qualified, but instead SHOVED down the throats of Democrats and now Americans by the media and the DNC. Well NO OBAMA EVER for this was Democrat! I would never vote for a white man with ONE (1) YEAR experience as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES and 20 YEARS experience following a minister that spewed HATE against the majority of ALL Americans, any that were not white as well as spew of Anti-American hate and rhetoric against Americans, jews, and catholics! NO WAY! So WHY would anyone vote for someone that did this but they are black and followed ANTI ALL Americans but black Americans? "Black Theology or Black supremacy or black centralist?"
AMERICA, WAKE UP! Do NOT listen to the media. Their bias, lack of journalism and lack of reporting the FACTS will go down in History as will this farce on the American people called the Election of 2008.
Posted by: DEM TO IND | July 7, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse
To Babyboomer:
How long you gonna cite the Harvard grad credentials? The man is 40+ years old. At this age, if the highlight of your professional career are your grades you received in college, you haven't done much with your life. Name me some tangible evidence that the Ivy League grad has put his degree to work. Anyone in Chicago feel any better since Sen. Obama became your representative? The man is a great self-promoter. He did right by not going to Wall Street; he should have gone straight to QVC.
Posted by: David | July 7, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse
Honest Abe you forgot to mention that McSame's wife Cindy stole drugs from her "charity" to get her fix for her pain killer addicition. Also, won't it be awkward to have a first lady who is a CEO of a beer corporation in the whitehouse. By contrast Obama is a Harvard grad and Michelle Obama is a Princeton grad which makes them both a very impressive couple. McShame dumped his model wife when he returned from Vietnam because she had become crippled from an accident. He traded her in for the beer lady. Now that is what I call true flip-flopping! That did not show much character. By contrast,Barack has stayed with Michelle and they are excellent parents from what I can see. I respect that.
Posted by: BabyBoomer | July 7, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse
So all of the problems Obama talks about he faced in Chicago. What successful programs did he initiate? What tangible progress was made? Were the people he "helped" better off today. We all know what the problems are. What has this man who promises the world, what has he DONE. This sounds like a fair question to me. What the heck is a community organizer?
Posted by: David | July 7, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse
BillW;
Your question misinterprets my statement. I did not say he accomplished anything that was right. What I said was he does thing the right way.
Examples of that are he chooses a campaign leadership team and he sticks with them. Since McCain has started this campaign he has dumped two leadership teams, one now and one last summer. When he runs in a caucus Obama prepares for that form of election not for a primary. When he was in law school he was appointed to law review because of his academic accomplishments, he was elected president because he excelled among his peers. When he goes to Iraq and Europe Obama has prepared thoroughly for that visit.
The reason you asked the question is because your idea of leadership is Bush who does not get the world to support us in our Iraq mission and lies to the people and the rest of the world about the facts concerning Iraq. Bush has done things wrong in almost everything he does so I can understand that you would not know what doing things right means. You support McCain who does not even compare favorably to Bush who has lead this country in the wrong direction through eight years. I know it sounds trite to you but what you need is a president who does things right for a change. That would be change you can believe in.
Posted by: G8tr | July 6, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse
Look! As an attendee to the AMEC general conference for the record he NEVER mentioned his father. He was amazing and direct. And lest we forget that have ALL fallen short of God's glory and no sin is greater than the other, and he who is without sin cast the first stone sayeth the Lord Jesus Christ! God bless you all.
Posted by: AME for Obama | July 6, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse
"So now Obama is throwing his father under the bus, calling him an atheist rather admitting that he was a muslim."
Posted by: Just Say NO!!
Mr. No. Tell us how you know he was a muslim rather than an atheist. Fox News or Hannity?
I think Obama's father's religion is unimportant since he was raised by his mother and his maternal grandparents. But you do, so tell us how you know Obama is lying. Or is it that when you write something you are unconcerned about its validity?
Posted by: RG | July 6, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse
Sad to see so much hate expressed throughout this thread. As one of those over 60 supporters, i came to a decision to support Obama because of the extraordinary management and leadership skills he has demonstrated throughout his relatively short career. Anyone doubting his judgment and intellect need only to listen to and review his speech that preceeded the start of the iraq war. I suspect each and everyone of the hatemongerers posting above are the same ding-bats that gave us dubya. McCain promises to keep this ridiculous war going for up to "100" years just as dubya and his oil buddies wish. The truly retarded are those that voted dubya into office and now expects the country to install McBush3. I'm old enough to check out any time now but really hope for the sake of my kids and grandkids that the country will reject the republican's hypocricy (sp) once and for all. If not I'll just check out to canada or europe for a few years.
Posted by: AtlantaBill | July 6, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse
So now Obama is throwing his father under the bus, calling him an atheist rather admitting that he was a muslim.
Obama will stop at nothing to gain power and wealth!!
Posted by: Just Say NO!! | July 6, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse
Perhaps Obama should talk about dishonesty and unethical behavior, both of which he excels at.
Posted by: NoObama | July 6, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse
RAT-The:
Would you prefer a values speech by a man who graduated 894 out of 899 cadets from the Naval Academy at Annapolis because, as he admits himself, he preferred strip clubs and bars to studying?
A man who cheated on and left his first wife after she was permanently injured in a horrific car accident for beer heiress Cindy McCain?
A man who was a member of the Keating 5 which bilked tens of thousands of people out of their retirement savings?
A man who regularly drops F-bombs at his peers in Congress and calls his wife a c*** for teasing him his hair is thinning?
Posted by: DMW, Florida | July 6, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse
Barry O'Flip-Floppa is to be giving a Speech on "Values"!
To be followed by: Hugo Chavez discussing the importance of Capitalism,
Mahmoud AhmadineBad, on the need for a Jewish State to preserve the National Identity of Millions of Jewish People and their Faith,
Mugabe, on Democracy,
Putin, on Opening up Russia to Foreign Involvement and De-Militarization,...
LOL! ;~)
Posted by: RAT-The | July 6, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse
As I predicted earlier, this election is over.
Posted by: peace4world | July 6, 2008 6:50 AM | Report abuse
Change is fine, if it's incremental. The sweeping changes that Obama calls for will create more problems than just solve the old ones. Also, Obama is not the only candidate that is capable of bringing change to Washington. Hillary or McCain are well capable of this task. And It is better to vote for a candidate that made mistakes in the past and learned from his or her mistakes in order to become a better leader. Obama's very brief resume tells us that he has yet to grow into a leadership role. It looks like he is discovering and learning things as he runs for president. His recent flip-flops or "refinements" are results of inexperience. Clearly, Obama has no trouble talking confidently about community service and about his faith. But Obama lacks authority when he talks about other central issues that are facing the nation. Obama was right: the stakes are too high to fool ourselves. That is why we can't vote for Obama in 2008.
Posted by: XYZ | July 6, 2008 5:20 AM | Report abuse
Obama is screwing everyone and everything under the sun. He is greedy and lusts for power. Nothing is sacred.
Posted by: Pink | July 6, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography," Obama said.
Posted by: Bill | July 6, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse
G8tr"
" Obama knows how to do things right. "
What has he accomplished that was right?
Posted by: Billw | July 6, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse
McCain suffers from the little man's syndrome. Never amounted to much in school went on to be a aviator. never accomplished much doing that and had no leadership experience. An honorable man but has not amounted to much.
BillW gave all the reasons why he was a good POW but that is not a qualification to be president.
Obama knows how to do things right. When he leaves Iraq you will get a thorough analysis of the situation in Iraq, not this cheerful nonsense coming from McCain. McCain's problem is that he is not used to getting things right so if he sees any success he becomes so joyous that he can not thoughtfully analyze what that success means. Never thought I would say this but what the Republicans offer is not as bright as Bush and no more competent.
Posted by: G8tr | July 5, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse
Katik:
" choice between a known devil and an unknown angel, "
McCain. A patriot, gutsy, but not the nicest man in town. Served his country the hard way. Tough and experienced. Willing to face Obama in discussions. A known quantity.
Obama. Friends with and/or supported by radicals, terrorists, anti-Americans, crooks, muslims, and crackpots. Background is muslim. Studied the koran for 2 years. His relatives are muslim. Unwilling to face McCain in discussions. Inexperienced. An unknown quantity.
Posted by: Billw | July 5, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse
No one can tell whether Obama will live up to what he has billed himself. But at least so far he has shown himself to surround himself with competent people. He has vision and competence, that is more than could be said for the former McCain team or McCain's first primary campaign team. If I had a choice I would choose one who gets it right the first time rather than someone who may never get it right. It is hard to have high expectations of a third rate pilot and a third rate college student.
High expectations in our president is a change we can believe in.
Posted by: G8tr | July 5, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse
You? A Democrat? Ha ha ha!
Posted by: Pea Shooter | July 5, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse
Dear Dwight Liles-you're about as pathetic as they come. Waiting your "whole life" for a politician to make you change your ways? If Obama told you to jump off a bridge, would you? Barack Hussein Obama is NO different than any other politician that this country has had over the last 200 years, except he is about as liberal and lacking in sustance as any this country has had in the last 200 years. Grow some balls man, you sound like a wimp and can't do anything without someone else's approval. If you look at Mr. Obama's resume, you will notice it is a blank sheet of paper, lack of leadership, lack of patriotism, lack of any major accomplishments (and getting into Harvard based on color doesn't count). Kennedy, Clinton were not great leaders, but to you and others like you, it's how they looked that mattered, which attracts you to Obama-subtance means little, but someone else's opinion matters more. So sad, what a waste of a brain-but a liberal politicians dream.
Posted by: Toxic Avenger | July 5, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse
The change that Barack Obama is advocating is not just a change of government. It's a change of OUR hearts and OUR priorities. He's challenging the American people in a way we haven't been challenged since John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King. I have waited most of my lifetime to see a presidential candidate like this.
To me, Obama's critics sound like people who don't want to change their own lives and are scared to death of a leader who has the guts to tell us all that we have to if we want to see this world get any better than it is.
Posted by: Dwight Liles | July 5, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse
For the record, I am a liberal and a Democrat. Unlike a lot of the Hussein devotees, I don't believe in the Great and Poweful Oz.
Posted by: PeaPod | July 5, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse
get a good look at the issues and where the candidates stand:
Posted by: tomabrahams | July 5, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse
Sorry liberals, there is only so much "HOPE" when you vote for a liberal, and very little "CHANGE" in socialism. LMMFAO! Mr. Barack Hussein Obama can try to run as a conservative as much as he wants to, but the people that make this country great know what wolve in sheeps clothing. You can say he's going to be the next POTUS all you want to, if it puts a little "HOPE" in your pathetic lives, but deep down you and I both know his radical views of the world will eventually show, and there's nothing that will "CHANGE" the fact that MR. Barack Hussein Obama will be the first affirmative-action president to lose. Reality sux, eh?
Posted by: Toxic Avenger | July 5, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse
Actually I am laughing, not screaming and crying. It's like watching a train wreck, you can't look away. All these promises of hope and change will come for not. All of you followers of Great and Powerful Oz will be disallusioned by the end of his term when they pull back the curtain and reveal the true Barrak Hussein. LOL!
Posted by: PeaPod | July 5, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse
You get what you see peabrain. If you choose to see it as sh**, that's your problem, not mine. The change is coming whether people like you approve of it or not. Obama will be elected and he will be an excellent president who, for starters, is exponentially smarter than the current holder of that office. It really doesn't matter at all to me what people like you think. We've had to live with the politics of those who rip up off, send our children to war and laugh all the way to the bank (hand in hand with the oil profiteers) for the past eight years. But that is about to change, and that change WILL come no matter how much you fear-struck racists try to spread your lies and invective. America has had enough. The real America, not the Sean Hannitys and Anne Coulters and Bill O'Reillys. Scream and cry and wail yourself into a frennzy, but stop and think about how many people are showing up to support Obamam compared to McCain's rallies. That's your future, not more of the same sad stuff we've had for the past eight years! I can't wait to see you weasels squirming on election night! :-)
Posted by: Anonymous | July 5, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse
Christ, PeaPod, didn't I teach you better than this? I'm not even in my grave yet, and I'm already spinning.
Posted by: Jesse Helms | July 5, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse
y'all are little kids. that's why america's going down the toilet. nobody's thinking.
Posted by: theo | July 5, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse
I agree with you LocalGuy..
LocalGuy wrote...
"There is no certain way to determine how a candidate will serve as a president. And in recent history, leadership quality has been replaced by on camera charisma as the primary reason most independent voters make their final choice. If anyone wants to make true difference in their lives, the action is in local politics. If we hold our representatives (state and federal congress) accountable, they will then ensure that the president stays true to the will of the people. All I am saying is that the presidential contents is for the rich and powerful blocks looking to get richer and more powerful. We need to focus where we have a chance of making real difference."
Posted by: AnotherLocalGuy | July 5, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse
Thank you Shara:
"Better get used to seeing a little brown with your red, white and blue, buddy. Change is coming!"
Isn't brown the color of sh!t? LOL!!!!
Yeah, I guess that is what we will get with a Barrak Hussein Obama regime.
Posted by: PeaPod | July 5, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse
Hopefully some of you wackos will change your minds or at least shut the hell up when Obama is president.
Posted by: Luke | July 5, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse
RE: Look! I found Shara's photo!
http://www.otrcat.com/z/jemima1.jpg
Posted by: PeaPod | July 5, 2008 9:02 PM
Nice try PeaBrain oh I mean PeaPod. Here's a big old shock for you: I'm white. As are many of my friends who are also voting for Obama. Unlike yoy we aren't threatened by intelligence and patriotism when it happens to show up in a person with skin darker than our own. You can wail and cry and smear as much sh** as you like. Wear yourself out dude. It won't make a jot of difference because Obama WILL be the next president. And unlike you who apparently has nothing better to do than spread racist invection on the internet, I have a life and I'm helping people register to vote and get the word out that we have the first real opportunity in many years to change this country for the better. Better get used to seeing a little brown with your red, white and blue, buddy. Change is coming!
Posted by: Shara | July 5, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse
Should not the IRS take away the tax exempt status of churches like the one Obama belonged to? There are many churches who have endored Obama and they should not be tax exempted.
I. R. S. WHERE ARE YOU/
Posted by: Ipaytoomuchtax | July 5, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse
It's hilarious to see Barack Hussein Obama caring about mainstream religion after spending 20 years in a church of hate. Oh wait, I am not supposed to attack MR. Obama because he is black, although he's about as black as Vanilla Ice.lol
Some many liberals, so many fools. Imagine no liberals, what a wonderful world it would be.
Posted by: Toxic Avenger | July 5, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse
Along with the African art in the White House, Obama will have The Black National Anthem played instead of the United States National Anthem. What will he do if elected and his Muslim brothers, sister, aunts, uncles, step-grandmother, etc. come visit from Kenya?
Obama is a chronic liar; he changes his opinions every day 1. gun control 2. troops leaving Iraq 3. his church, never hearing Wright's hate speeches 4. partial birth abortions 5. now he's a conservation Christian 6. he's decided wearing a flag pin is a good vote getter 7. his friends are no longer his friends: Rekzo, Nation of Islam 8. even tho the media loves Obama, Obama now blames them for misquoting his Iraq statement, etc. etc. etc. The blacks of this nation are accusing voters will not vote for Obama as being racist, but the blacks are the ones who are racists as they support Obama 97%; they did not even think of how the Clintons helped their race; no loyalty.
Posted by: William Arnold | July 5, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse
There is no certain way to determine how a candidate will serve as a president. And in recent history, leadership quality has been replaced by on camera charisma as the primary reason most independent voters make their final choice. If anyone wants to make true difference in their lives, the action is in local politics. If we hold our representatives (state and federal congress) accountable, they will then ensure that the president stays true to the will of the people. All I am saying is that the presidential contents is for the rich and powerful blocks looking to get richer and more powerful. We need to focus where we have a chance of making real difference.
Posted by: LocalGuy | July 5, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse
Look! I found Shara's photo!
http://www.otrcat.com/z/jemima1.jpg
Posted by: PeaPod | July 5, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse
All you paranoid white people need to shut up and get ready for the future because guess what? A black man is going to be your next president whether you can get with it and join the 21st century or not. All these smear campaigns against Obama are NOT working. Y'all keep trying your darndest, but they're just not. McCain tries to paint Obama as an elitist when his wife is a multimillionaire and their joint income is millions (millions!) more than the Obamas. McCain was the one who said he had no problem keeping troops in Iraq another hundred years. McCain,not Obama! You folks think about how many people are showing up at Obama's appearances compared to McCain's. And Hell the debates are going to be laughable because McCain can barely read the teleprompter while Obama is a stirring off-the-cuff speaker. All you closet racists who are contorting yourselves trying to find ways to smear Obama better take a deep breath and hold on to your seats because change is coming in November. You can deny it all you want, but it's happening and it's about time!
Posted by: Shara | July 5, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse
"Talk"! Yes, but when does he really start doing something tangible instead of selling dreams. When he talks, and suddenly finds that the media and people have noticed his policy shift, he is "surprised by how finely calibrated every single word was measured"; and still when it suits him, then "words do matter". What a whiner and a hollow politician this guy is, and still people just swoon over him. Sure we do need change from the regular McBush and Billary; but if there should be a choice between a known devil and an unknown angel, I think I would rather be in the company of a known Devil. Now that Hillary is not around, I think my vote will go for the (hopefully) Maverick McCain (or McBush for some of you)...
Posted by: Katik | July 5, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse
The best politician ever.
Posted by: Obama is great | July 5, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse
Great, another Reverend Wright sermon. Poor Barack the "magic N E G R O", must sux for him to have to go infront of a bunch of religious folks and act like he's one of them. George Soros in NOT going to be happy.
Posted by: Toxic Avenger | July 5, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse
Tend your garden, Chance.
Posted by: Friend of BIllw | July 5, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse
People falling for Obama's bull**** are such fools. Take a look at his vacuous track record. Do the research you sheep! He has accomplished NOTHING. He only gained his meager positions in Illinois politics to date through manipulation and running virtually uncontested. He has spent ALL of his U.S. Senate term (2 years) running for the White House. And he knows NOTHING of world affairs. I will be voting for Mcain because I haven't been fooled by Obama the Preacher and his sermons
Posted by: chance | July 5, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse
Obviously Dianne72 is making up middle names for Michelle Robinson Obama and who cares what her middle name is, anyway.
Another familiar Republican troll is posing as "Lakisha" who has appeared over and over pretending to be a black Obama supporter and claiming to hate white people.
These and other bigots who constantly post the same ugly spew on these Comments listings have to be the dumbest people on the planet as well as being racist. No originality, no believability, just dumb hate. Fortunately they are also rarer and rarer in America today.
I had a great day contacting actual new voters where I live this morning, and Irecommend anyone depressed by the racism on the Washington Post Comments section to look up volunteer opportunities, get away from the keyboard and into your local community, and be pleasantly surprised by what you see. Senator Obama is broadly liked by American voters and will be a wonderful president come next January. Why not get some fresh air and normal conversations and help make it happen! I look forward to meeting you "on the trail."
Posted by: Fairfax Voter | July 5, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse
War aside, a major McCain's problem is he's more sympathetic to Obama's positions than to those of the Republicans. This inhibits his ability to counter Obama's criticisms or even consider moving to the attack. What will he say in the eventual debates, "I agree with Sen. Obama but...?" The Republicans really must convince him to step aside in favor of a real candidate.
Posted by: Larry R. Lugnut III | July 5, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse
Someone needs to drive a spike into Dianne72's skull.
Posted by: weree | July 5, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse
Although Asian consumers have begun emulating America's love affair with the automobile, with the commercial booms of China and India playing pivotal roles in increased oil demand, the largest energy appetite in the world is still found in the United States. Home to only 4 percent of the world's population, the nation slurps up about a quarter of the planet's oil -- and Americans' daily use is nearly twice the combined consumption of the Chinese and Indians, according to an annual energy survey published by BP, the British oil giant.
Posted by: earl | July 5, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse
check out TheVote:
http:thevote.abc13.com
Posted by: tomabrahams | July 5, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse
all white fols is racist. thay have ruined this country. that is alright cause we are taking over in november. just like the inventer of the peanut said, george washington carver, the black man will not be free until he gets inside the white house.
Posted by: Lakisha | July 5, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse
Barack remember you graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard. some of these people are not as smart as you are so you need to come down to their level
Posted by: Jay | July 5, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse
"Good breeding"? Wow, that's the cleverest code yet. No way a washingtonpost.com reader is gonna figure that one out.
Posted by: Friend of Billw | July 5, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse
JoeB"
" So why would one continue to admit their stupidity by telling the world they still believe Obama is a Muslim? "
The problem is more like puzzlement in that many don't know what to believe. Trust is earned and Obama's past history doesn't help, in fact it hinders.
Posted by: Billw | July 5, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse
I honestly do not know who to vote for in November. I was going to vote for Obama but he has back-pedalled on both Iraq and campaign financing. He strikes me as any other politician talking out of both sides of his mouth. McCain doesn't excite me either. Oh well, at least we don't have another 4 years of Bush...
Posted by: Sandy | July 5, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse
Hillary Clinton should be careful when she appears together with Barak Obama coming weeks. For strategic reasons he has consistently been lieing about how to decide about the war in Iraq. Hillary should stay as a reserv nominee until August 2008 because Obama´s earlier standpoints about Iraq made him the nominee!
Posted by: Anonymous | July 5, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse
Friend of Billw:
Yea... a good one. Happy 4th weekend.
Posted by: Billw | July 5, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse
If your goal is to boost John McCain,
You must call your opponents insane.
Then throw in for spite
The name Reverend Wright.
And if that doesn't work, yell "Hussein!"
Posted by: Friend of Billw | July 5, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse
I've ofter belived that the difference between ignorance and stupidity is that one is correctable with just a smattering of study - an attempt at finding truth.
So why would one continue to admit their stupidity by telling the world they still believe Obama is a Muslim?
Thus stupidity continues to propegate itself.
Posted by: JoeB | July 5, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse
ODE TO OBOMA SUPPORTERS
Now if Obama is not your man,
Note some of his supporters have a plan.
They'll jump in the fray
You're a racist they'll say,
While yelling "oh yes we can".
Posted by: Billw | July 5, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse
Wow - this oped sure brought out the stormfront contingent.
Posted by: washpost18 | July 5, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse
"...Obama, the Democrat, has been far more outspoken about his religious beliefs..."
He's had to be more outspoken considering how many times he's been in deep doo-doo over his "spiritual advisors."
Posted by: waterfrontproperty | July 5, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse
HonestAbe:
" McCain is a pathetic candidate."
Well he ain't the most moral man on the block, that's for sure, but I believe he's the lesser of two "evils".
Note this:
Obama's background is muslim.
He studied the koran for 2 years.
His relatives are muslim.
He is friends with the anti-American Wright.
He is friends with the terrorist Supporter Ayres
Posted by: Billw | July 5, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse
So an abortion advocate is going to give a speech on "values" ... to a black church audience ... but then they don't care what he stands for ...he's black ... so he's got their vote!!
Posted by: Jesus Francisco | July 5, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse
do you know the name of the first president born west of the mississippi?
see how much presidential trivia you can get right...
Posted by: tomabrahams | July 5, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse
This is so sad. I'm ashamed of you racists. I will pray for you.
Posted by: army65 | July 5, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse
This centrist leap has got to stop eventually, right? You can only alienate your base so much. Posted by: matt
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Those who are bothered by Obama's "centrist leap" are not his base. Obama's base wants to win and they trust Obama. If winning means moving a bit to the center, then so be it. That has been the winning strategy since the beginning of our two party system. Mission one is removal of the Republicans from the WH.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 5, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse
How much will it cost evangelicals to personally hear the speech on values ?
Posted by: Mark W. | July 5, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse
I know polls this early can be meaningless but here is one from Rhode Island released today that I believe is significant:
Rasmussen (07-05-2008) Rhode Island:
Obama 55%
McCain 31%.
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Of course Obama is expected to win in RI but the margin in this poll is remarkable. BTW, Hillary beat Obama badly in RI during the primaries. This shows that primary results have little or nothing to do with general election results.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 5, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse
This centrist leap has got to stop eventually, right? You can only alienate your base so much.
Posted by: matt | July 5, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse
Obama is channelling Jsesus Christ. When he goes to Afghanistan, he'll channel Genghis Khan.
Posted by: Bob | July 5, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse
Does McCain even go to church?
Does McCain have any religious values?
Does McCain have ANY values?
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse
Earl C"
"McCain is McBush. "
How so?
Posted by: Billw | July 5, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse
Yo, Sandy, carm down. You forgot to mention Ted Kennedy. Jeez, do I have to do everything for you people?
Posted by: Armchair Celebritologist | July 5, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse
Sandy5274: What's worse is that McCain can't even do the teleprompter thing well.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 5, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse
Oh Good God,so I see Messiah Liberal Loser
Democrat Empty Suit Barack Hussein Obama
got his teleprompter fixed so he do another
phony,lie filled pretty words empty and
totally meaningless speech again..And which
Obama will then have to come out and make
three more to explain his position on it.
And all the while his kool aid drinking
misguided naive inexperienced young under
30 Obamafools will swoon and praise Obama
and then fill the blogs with their idiotic
stupid remarks telling us what a truly
great orator and brillant man their new
Messiah Obama is as well as them going nuts
and attacking anyone,who dares disagree.
Yep,Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi and the
DNC and Liberal Extremist Wing of the
Marxist Socialist Democrat Party have done
it again and picked another empty words
and no action loser to run for President
in Barack Hussein Obama,the human speech
making and teleprompter machine loser.
NOBAMA!
Posted by: Sandy5274 | July 5, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse
Obama wants to be a religous leader.
Let him...
elsewhere!
Posted by: T.Willian | July 5, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse
The McCain/ Bush/ GOP attack line currently being spewed by people and blog trolls.... I have to say your insults are scatter shot and paper thin at best - racist and stupid at worst
Posted by: Josh in Seattle | July 5, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse
Grace stated:
"10% of Hillary Democrats are voting for McCain.
17% of of Hillary Democrats are not voting at all.
That means 27% of Democrats are not supporting Obama in November."
It means 27% of Democrats are not supporting Obama if you are saying that no Democrats voted for Obama in the primaries. Considering the fact that Obama and Clinton split almost 50-50 in the primaries, then you are really saying that 13.5% of the Democrats will not vote for Obama! Math was obviously not a strong subject for Grace. It obviously was not a strong subject for "W" either when you look at the economy.
Posted by: Earl C | July 5, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse
I see that the naysayers are on this site as well. If I must suffer some inconveniences under an Obama presidency, so be it. It is going to be difficult for anyone to turn the ship of state around or should I say to get the ship of state off the rocks following the Bush years. Bush has been a real trip, a trip that I want to forget. The more that these naysayers say about Obama, the more they are really saying about their non-support of one of their own: George Bush. Time for these guys to fold up their tents and go home. Time for a change. I'll hitch my lot with Obama any day. McCain is alrady showing signs of senility. We do not need to go from a religious zealot to someone who cannot remember what he says on a daily basis.
I just saw a German TV program that really spelled out the Christian Holy War that we are conducting in Iraq with Bush speaking to back it up. I guarantee you that most Americans have no clue what propaganda Bush is telling on the airwaves overseas. I was absolutely speechless after listening to the 15-minute broadcast.
At least with Obama, he is telling us up front what his thinking is. I know one thing about Bush, no one had a clue that Iraq was on his radar shortly after he took office in 2001. We know now. It is costing us dearly, my friends. McCain is McBush.
Posted by: Earl C | July 5, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse
BTW, Obama has not changed his position on Iraq. He has always said he would consult with the commanders on the pace of withdrawal. Make no mistake, we are getting out of Iraq -- you can be sure of that. We can't afford to stay they any longer. Iraq is killing us at $12B per month!
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 5, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse
have you seen the candidate who won't stop running?
Posted by: tomabrahams | July 5, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse
The devotees (groupies) of Barry Hussein will be sadly dissapointed half way through his term as President. We will still be in Iraq and gas will be $6 a gallon. Now that's change I can believe in!
Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | July 5, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse
Obama lied to the American voters. He has no intention of getting out of Iraq any time soon.
Obama paid for the War in Iraq every year he was in the Senate nearly $600 million.
Now Obama doesn't even want to get out of Iraq. He lied to win Democratic nomination.
10% of Hillary Democrats are voting for McCain.
17% of of Hillary Democrats are not voting at all.
That means 27% of Democrats are not supporting Obama in November. Republicans aren't voting for him because of Rev. Wright and Independents are sick of Obama's speeches. Women, white males and Catholics and older voters are not voting for Obama.
Obama can talk the talk but can't walk the walk.
We need a Christian born and American raised president. America is not ready for Obama's preaching one thing and delivering another thing.
Posted by: Grace | July 5, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse
The GOP brand is toxic. The GOP now represents corruption, scandal, lack of ethics, deceit, waste, fraud, abuse and Bush. Even an inexperienced liberal, pseudo-Muslim, possibly terrorist, half-black guy could beat the Republican candidate this November.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 5, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse
I wonder if Barry Hussein still intends on invading Pakistan. Remember, he said as much last summer. That's rather a bold statement to make considering Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | July 5, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse
Notice there is no activity from the McCain campaign. McCain never schedules events on weekends. His campaign refuses to explain why. We can only assume it is because of his advanced age and health considerations that he needs to rest on the weekends to be able to keep up the fast pace during the week. This may be viewed as a problem since being POTUS often requires attention 7 by 24. By contrast Obama has been going non-stop for 16 months and still looks fresh as a daisy.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 5, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse
In a further sign that Republican hopes are fading badly, the head of the Senate GOP's campaign committee has set a new goal for the party this Fall: Not to lose too many Senate seats. NRSC chair John Ensign has moved the goal posts, according to the Savannah Morning News, saying that the GOP will have succeeded if they don't lose more than eight seats.
The hapless Repubs are prepared to accept eight loses!! Wow. That's really pathetic.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 5, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse
OMG!! The "Whitey tape"! How dumb can anyone be. How is it possible there is only one single copy of this tape under control of who - Bob Dole - isn't that the latest? How absurd! If McCain's hopes of victory are dependent on the existence of this rediculous "whitey tape" then he is truely finished.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 5, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse
Jay-Maybe you are a card carrying O'Bomba Fan!
If you cannot tell an Impostor's attempt to make me look like something I am not, then it comes as little surprise how easily the "Empty Suit" of Many Colors has suckered you as well!
When it comes to my supportive statements about McAmnesty, I'll quote Ann Coulter when she was asked by Alan Colmes:
"Let's just talk about O'Bomba" ;~)
Ahem: mittromney.com
Go there, or be Square!
Posted by: RAT-The | July 5, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse
Zakaria re Obama:
" the mindless gutter rats follow him around like he's the incarnation of the second coming. "
But he's hip and cool, and that's about as far as their comprehension allows.
Posted by: Billw | July 5, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse
Consultants to the National Republican Congressional Committee are suggesting they avoid the GOP brand in upcoming elections. Traditional Republican messages essentially are not working in this political environment. The consultants found that Republicans are failing to successfully establish themselves and their local brand in contrast to the negative perception of the national GOP.
Translation: The GOP brand is poopoo.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 5, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse
McCain is a pathetic candidate. He will be so easy to beat. Compared to Hillary, McCain is a lightweight. It's like beating up your senile crippled grandfather. I think the GOP needs to seriously look into replacing him if they want to have any chance at winning. IMHO.
Posted by: HonestAbe | July 5, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse
Dianne, Diane, Dyan -- They all sound the same to me. So what is your point, Dianne 72, other than wasting our time with overtly racist comments. Your mother obviously didn't teach you the old saying, "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." You might try praciticing that sometime.
Posted by: Anonymous | July 5, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse
IT DOESN"T GET ANY WORSE THAN THIS, AND THE MAN IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT???
Here are some of Obama's pals and supporters.
Radicals, terrorists, anti-Americans, crooks, muslims, and crackpots
The Black Panthers
NAACP
Farrakhan
Hamas
Castro
Ortega
Chavez
Al Qaeda
Jane Fonda
Jesse Jackson
Michael Moore
Al Sharpton
Wright
Rezko
Ayers
Pfleger
Weathers
Rappers
Muslim-American Society
Posted by: Billw | July 5, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse
Obama's values are: support FISA, support private fund raising, stay in Iraq now that he most likely will be the Dem nominee. In 6 minutes change your position to fit the audience.
Posted by: Maddogg | July 5, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse
Dear washington post. Maybe you should edit some of the racist comments from you message boards.
Ohh wait you are in the tank for McCain, it is in your interest for you to have racially based smears on your website.
Posted by: Julian | July 5, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse
Lynn E, re Obama:
" How about a debate or a town meeting."
The man is just not an up-front person.
" What kind of fool supports this kind of jerk? "
Likely the 50% of people that are below average intellegence.
Posted by: Billw | July 5, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse
Are you Obama supporters nuts, racists, or what?
Obama's background is muslim.
He studied the koran for 2 years.
His relatives are muslim.
He is friends with the anti-American Wright.
He is friends with the terrorist Supporter Ayres.
Posted by: Billw | July 5, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse
Obama supporters are gonna feel like they ate a diarreah hot lunch after their fairy boy wins about 5 states in Nov.
I can't wait to watch Olbermann the day after Obama loses 45 states in the election and claims McCain cheated. Douchebag Keith will say "how could he win when I don't know one person who voted for him?"
Posted by: PoopInObamasMouth | July 5, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse
Barack Obama is an evil man. Vote McCain for a man of Christianity and good wholesome moral values.
Posted by: RAT-The | July 5, 2008 2:10 PM
LOL!!! With all John McCain's so called militry back ground and years of experience got this counrty to a stupid war.
Obama the "evil man" stood up and tried to save this country from McCain's stupid war.
McCain the "man of Christainity" left his wife for a rich bubby doll. Let God be the judge.
Vote for the man who loves God, America, and loves his first wife.
Posted by: Jay | July 5, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse
My God, the wackies are out in full force, or is just that creeping fear that next January you will have yourselves a Black President. Don't worry, you won't have to suffer for too long before your heads explode!
Posted by: Keith | July 5, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse
Barry Hussein throws 1 billion Muslims under the bus. Hold on America, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | July 5, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse
I have to agree Dianne72 needs to move out of this country. What a loser, insulting others breeding. Her comment speaks about her own.
Posted by: Sally | July 5, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse
Dianne72 - guess what it isn't 1950 and we are not a segregated country. Take your racial hatemongering and move to a deserted island. You can start your own little Hitler-esque culture there. Here in America we have moved on to the NEXT century
Posted by: All Men are Created Equally | July 5, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse
Bill Clinton spoke in churches too when he was running for the President.
Posted by: JR, Boston | July 5, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse
It is nice to see all the mentally unstable and obviously unmedicated crazies are out today in full force :-) I know it is SHOCKING that Obama is campaigning in the UNITED STATES and not trying to win up the Mexican and Columbian vote over the 4th of July Week. Yes the same week that we find out 65,000 more Americans are out of work last month, McLAME decides to go court that all important Central American workers vote, promising to ship more jobs to them.
As far as religion. Guess what our Country was founded on an individual's right to practice and speak about it. Obama being comfortable with his should not threaten any of you. It is just a fundamental right and one that is inclusive of all religions and those of no religion.
FYI Paranoia is not pretty or necessary! Seek help, there is a cure
Posted by: ldsrapha | July 5, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse
Still more pandering Barrak Hussein. I wonder when Americans will finally wake up to the person he really is. Also, someone should tell Michelle Shaniqua Obama that she will not be the next Jackie Kennedy. She lacks the poise, grace, and good breeding to carry that off.
Posted by: Dianne72 | July 5, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse
Religion definitely doesn't belong in politics and a presidential nominee preaching in churches and having it televised is very disturbing. He is also using it as a ruse. Unless, he's developing his own religion. Even Marxist believe that the masses need a replacement for religion if you are to strip them of it. This guy is bad and is showing more and more how evil he really is.
Posted by: Lynn E | July 5, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse
Impostor, Dost thou thinketh this amusing?
"Barack Obama is an evil man. Vote McCain for a man of Christianity and good wholesome moral values.
Posted by: RAT-The | July 5, 2008 2:10 PM"
Thou shalt NOT taketh the RAT'S User ID in VAIN!
Knoweth:
He will BITE unto thee!
With RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION! ;~)
Posted by: ALMIGHTY -The ;-) | July 5, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse
What James Dobson is saying reminds me of when the curtain is pulled back in the Wizard of Oz and you see the man behind the curtain is just a man. He wants to say that Obama is disagreeing with some majestic "traditional interpretation of the Bible". What Obama actually disagrees with is James Dobson's interpretation of the Bible. What Dobson doesn't want you to see is that there are many traditional interpretations of the Bible, some of which comport with Obama's views, some of which do not.
Posted by: pat | July 5, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse
Obama walks the walk, and also happens to talk a great talk. He seems like the real deal, and I like that he talks openly and honestly.
Posted by: Beth in VA | July 5, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse
amiabldom- Sorry, but I believe Churches and Religious convictions are Fav's of O'Bomba-Nation's BUS!
As a Catholic, I do NOT think Evangelizing belongs within a Hundred Miles of US Politics.
Just one look at the GARBAGE that Sectarian Religious Politics did to the Foundling Nation of Iraq, should make anyone in this Country ATTACK a Candidate trying to Carry a Cross or Crescent!
Morality?
Neither "Barry" and his Bus, or McAmnesty and his Invading Children of God, can come within a Mile of Former Governor Mitt Romney.
Neither can Parish abandoning Huckleberry!
Great Family Man, who gave his Earnings for the Governorship, and would have done the same as President, to Charity!
Mormon Shmorman! He is a very Christian and decent Guy!
I judge by ACTIONS, not Proclamations!
Posted by: RAT-The | July 5, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse
This guy is such a joke, another speech? He's worse than Castro. Does he think that the American people are his private soap box? How about a debate or a town meeting. After all this, I'm waiting for the day that the Frankenstein throws David Axelrod under the bus! He evens wants a stadium just like Hitler and Castro for his nomination coronation. What kind of fool supports this kind of jerk?
Posted by: Lynn E | July 5, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse
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hussein will give another speech? Who will he plagiarize this time?
Flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop.....
I will take public financing for my campaign-----I will NOT take public financing for my campaign.
Clinton's NAFTA is BAD-----NAFTA is GREAT!
I will get the troops home immediately-----I will NOT get the troops home immediately.
"I could no more disown him (rev. wright) than I could disown my ... grandmother."-----I disown rev wright (Look out grandma, you may be next!).
I support total gun control-----I do NOT support total gun control.
I don't need no stinkin' flag pin-----I NOW WEAR a flag pin since I'm now patriotic (wink, wink)!
No immunity for illegal wiretapping telcos-----I vote YES on immunity for illegal wiretapping telcos.
At last, I finally know what he really means by "change". "Change we can NOT believe in."
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You can be racist against those who you don't like, citing racism against one's own race for the same person's alleged maltreatment by others.
This is racism as well, though it is racism used in a different manner