Yes Jamal,
You state it accurately. There are many ways to say the same thing. What is downright silly is to say that Rove planned the attacks, that Laden is hiding out in the basement of the West Wing, or that Laden was created from inside our own right-wing power structure. Anyway, I am glad for your insightful comment. Again, I would like to repeat that this is not off-track -- this whole discussion goes right back to 9-11. Another pertinent thought, about this censure thing -- suppose there is another terrorist attack, my question is whether the Fox/Rove crowd will be given free rein (again) or whether people have learned their lesson and will stand up for their convictions in the face of the bullying/intimidation and cat-calls of "unpatriotic" or "weak" that will be sure to come (again) from the right.

Posted by: john norman

“My comment about Brer Rabbit (Born and Bred in the Briar Patch) has nothing to do with any conspiracy theory. It has to do with the knee-jerk interpretation that was placed on Laden's last hour anti-Bush endorsement, as though a sociopath with Laden's IQ wouldn't foresee that he was thereby giving Bush a boost. Even so, we constantly hear that Laden would like Bush out of office. Like I said, terrorists are hoping for brash and misguided shows of strength following these attacks, to cause more problems. Having Bush and Cheney in the Whitehouse, constantly stirring up fear and resorting to go-it-alone Tamahawk-style retributions is in Qaeda's interest. This is not to say that Bush plays into any of this consciously -- just that Laden can trust Bush to hold up his (Bush's) end of the terrorism dynamic in ways that Laden loves.”

So this is what your comment pertains to: Consciously or unconsciously Bush and Laden are feeding on each other for power. When one threatens the other either verbally or attacks the others country or base, it has the reverse effect. It only galvanizes their power. As long as there is a vigorous war on terror, both men retain power.

Thank God for Feingold... one man in this country who is standing up for the Constitution.

Meanwhile hypocritical Republicans fume, and cowardly Democrats try to figure out which way the wind is blowing.

Democrats, Feingold is the national security Democrat because he's defending the constitution, and because he is demonstrating that he's willing to fight for a principle. Your failure, Democrats, to support Feingold reveals you for what you are... craven political animals with your finger in the wind... and FEARFUL. The Republicans have you absolutely terrified of being called bad names.

Only Feingold has figured out how to turn the issue around and make defending the constitution the real test of "manhood", or of power.

I don't think the center of the electorate buys into the Bush administrations frames at all anymore, yet Congressional Democrats still do.

Feingold is an absolute American hero. Now we'll see if he's the only one.

I lived in Saudi Arabia for over ten years, knowing I had to be careful of what I said on the phone or in my e-mails. I thanked God that I was from America, the land of the free. In the past few years I am seeing America become S.A.
We have become a nation of cowards, lying and sneaking.
Thank you, Russ Feingold, for letting the terrorists know that no one is above the law in the U. S. and that it is the people who are the government. You are the one standing up to the terrorists.

I'm not sure of Russ Feingold is correct but there is one thing I'm sure of, Democrats need to get up and do something. Democrats must quit dallying around and take a stance. Do Something. censure is as good as anything.

My comment about Brer Rabbit (Born and Bred in the Briar Patch) has nothing to do with any conspiracy theory. It has to do with the knee-jerk interpretation that was placed on Laden's last hour anti-Bush endorsement, as though a sociopath with Laden's IQ wouldn't foresee that he was thereby giving Bush a boost. Even so, we constantly hear that Laden would like Bush out of office. Like I said, terrorists are hoping for brash and misguided shows of strength following these attacks, to cause more problems. Having Bush and Cheney in the Whitehouse, constantly stirring up fear and resorting to go-it-alone Tamahawk-style retributions is in Qaeda's interest. This is not to say that Bush plays into any of this consciously -- just that Laden can trust Bush to hold up his (Bush's) end of the terrorism dynamic in ways that Laden loves.

VivaBush, you're last comment was really ironically funny, considering how much You post on these boards. I noticed you didn't argue the excellent points he made!

Thank you Darroll for your thoughtful attention to the interests of the nation and your well-articulated and reasoned post. I wish more people took the time to be as aware of the world around them and to act for a better world as you do.

Posted by: john norman

"Jamla, You make a dubious assumption, that the terrorists want to see Bush out. Why do they explode things, killing people? To goad us into making rash and misguided responses, to goad us into destroying our own democratic institutions, to divide us, to decrease our standing in the world. Who else but Bush/Cheney could do better? Did Quaeda weep when we attacked Iraq? They celebrated! They love the big, lawless reactions and the weakening of the international order. If you want a direct evidence of this, see my pont above about Brer Rabbit -- "Born and bred in the Brier patch." Laden was afraid Bush might be going out, and so he sent a last-minute anti-Bush message, knowing full well that Americans would therby see Bush in a better light, and maybe nudge him into re-election, which is what happened."

I've heard the theories of how GWB and OBL were behind 911. Even as a Democrat I find it hard to believe. The World Trade Center was targeted because it represented American economic power, the Pentagon, because it represented American Military power, and the third target would have been GWB and the white house or Congress because it represented the American government. Just recently the bumbling was revealed early on from both sides in the Iraq War. Before 911, GWB had chances to take OBL out, and GBW was, and is, the number one target of the OBL. OBL’s attacks on the United States only gave power and support to GWB, like it or not, that is a political reality. GWB “wrapped himself in the American flag”, any words spoken against him were also spoken against the United States. Terrorism is to GWB, is what Communism was to Joe McCarthy.

John, I don’t disagree with your comment. At this point it’s hard to tell what the truth is with the “rubber stamp congress”. As for GWB, I like the old saying; “you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time”. He can still fool about 1/3 of the people who of the die hard republicans, but the rest are not going to be fooled again.

As for Frist and the other “rubber stamps” they can cling to GWB, but in the end he’s going to pull most of them down. The apparent republican priorities are:

#1 GWB
#2 Big business
#3 Republican Party
#4 United States

If the democrats retake congress in 2006, Frist will be held responsible and his presidential bid dead in the water. If he continues to BLINDLY protect Bush, he is giving up all hopes of his own presidency. Funny how Frist is trying to wrap himself in the American flag and becoming more McCarthyistic everyday. At least McCarthy was in the military, Frist is just another never severed his country “chickenhawk”. Reminds me of anther old saying “birds of a feather flock (chickenhawks) together”….Frist, Bush, Rove, Cheney….

Bill Frist. Perhaps the media ought to remind why BF wants to change the subject -- so the American people can forget that being investigated for INSIDER TRADING. The man is a crook and the dems need to STRIKE BACK and hard.

Darroll:
You have way too much time on your hands.

I don't know about you but I slept very well last night, and the night before, and the night before...

(Please, print this out it is very long, highlight it, copy it, and disseminate via email.)

Lets take our country back!!! We can do it if we stand up, be heard, and be counted. Thank You for your help in this endeavor. It does not matter if you are a democrat or republican, we need to act now, to force a change. We can not forget when we go to vote, those who have supported Bush through all the bad decisions, and over the objections of their constituents.

Thursday, March 2, 2006

Bad News Bush!!!

A horrible decision maker

TO: All New Democrats, and Old.

Republicans who have changed

Parties due to all bush lies.

All Readers every where.

From: A Former Republican,

life long police officer,

now medically retired

Dear Readers,

I was watching TV last night and was struck with the fact we now have a brand new Bush controversy. For those who do not keep up with the political scene, that means a new Bush lie. It is over this re-released video showing that he did know the levees in New Orleans very well may break. I guess he said a week after Katrina that, "no one expected the levees to break." Big deal, it is just another Bush screw up, as he has the whole time he has been in office. For those who do not keep up, let us review.

1. The Bush campaign in 2000. He was going around telling everyone he is a devout Christian. As far as I have seen, this is a lie. Growing up I use to see Presidents going to church every Sunday. I have never seen Bush go to church, unless he was expected to be there for a photo opt. In fact the only thing I can see he is totally loyal to, and worships is the Almighty American Dollars, and lots of them. We have seen his loyalty to big business and money time and time again. Big business has followed his lead and are making the highest profits in business history, and doing it anyway they can. Unethically, criminally, or anyway they can think of, to get it. Has he ever once came out and said big business, you have a responsibility to be ethical. No, he has not, and I bet he wont.

2. In the 2000 election he used his brother, the Governor of Florida, to muddy up the election numbers so he would have a shot at that State. He did not win the popular vote, we now know this, it is fact. When the college vote was in question, did he offer to be a man and have a run off election, letting the voters decide who should be President? No, he brought in the lawyers and took his case all the way to the supreme court. Where he was appointed President by the justices. They choose chose for us, not letting the people decide.

3. Bush before 9-11, failed to act on dire warnings from Clinton experts who stayed behind to try and protect the country. He placed his loyal friends in high offices, instead of qualified professionals who worked in the departments all their lives. If you look at the 9-11 commission report, you will see how often Bush was warned to hit bin-laden before he hit us. We know what happened.

4. Bush on 9-11, and directly after. What did Bush do when he was told a huge plane just hit the world trade center in New York? Nothing, he sat in the Florida school room with a stupid look on his face. In fact he sat there until the second and third planes hit. Then he got out of town on Air Force One. I heard an interview with him just a day after the attacks. He was asked what made him angriest that day. His answer shocked me, I was expecting to hear the attack itself. No, what made him the angriest was not being able to constantly talk to Cheney at the white house, while he was on Air Force One. That proved to me how much he relied on Cheney to make the decisions, because he couldn’t.

5. After the attack I heard Condee Rice, his national security advisor on TV say, "I do not think anyone could have guessed what these terrorists did." I expected her to be fired, right? It is her job to guess about such threats. It did not take long before we discovered, she had been specifically warned about just this kind of attack. Even told it would be the world trade center. There were the 2 FBI memo’s, a CIA report done with the DOD called operation Able Danger, and other terrorist experts in the white house. Was she fired, no, two years later she was promoted. Now go figure that one. In fact Bush held no one accountable for their failure to act, why not? Because it was mostly his fault. He had been warned.

6. We now know just a few days after the attacks he ordered the NSA to start an illegal wiretapping operation. Something he would tell no one about for another year. Then after the attorneys figured out a scheme to try and make an argument as to why he broke the FISA laws, he then, and only then told four people in Congress, and then would only tell them a little about it. The attorneys told him he had better tell someone in Congress because this would leak out someday. No one knew they would have four more years until it came out, but that is what they got. Or maybe I should say three more years, because as I understand it, the New York Times sat on the story for a year. God only knows what else they came up with that we still do not know. I pray it all see’s the light of day in the future.

7. We know after the 9-11 attacks Bush ordered the military into Afghanistan. However, he refused to send enough troops to make sure they would get Bin-Laden. To this day we know Bin-Laden is still alive, and hiding out someplace in that region. Now why would he not order enough troops in. By best guess from everything I know, is that he was already planning to get rid of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. This is not just my guess either, a lot of people close to this white house have guessed that as well.

8. We now know right after 9-11 he ordered his lawyers to come up with a legal argument to support his wishes for torture, to open secret prisons, and how long he could hold people without charges, or due process of law. In other words, he did not want to know how many legal rights he had to give prisoners, he wanted to know how many he could take away. And he talks of spreading democracy around the globe, as if that were the wishes of the founding fathers so long ago. I can just see them now, we have such a great new form of government we need to force the rest of the world into our way of doing things. If they resist, we will start killing them until they come around to our way of thinking. The first person we shall put in charge, to lead us to our great destiny, shall be King George Washington.

9. Now think about the 9-11 commission, Bush would not release any White House documents, would not let anyone in the Administration testify, claiming executive privilege. It was not until the many thousands of victims families started raising enough hell over the Administration trying to keep an investigation from taking place. It was if they were trying to hide it all behind a top secret envelope. Why would they do that, that is easy to answer, because they knew they had screwed up very badly. Richard Clarke, the top Clinton era expert on terrorism, had warned Rice and others. He did so on numerous occasions, and in specific ways. They knew they had been specifically warned about Al-Qaeda, and possible terrorists taking flying lessons. Rice knew she had dropped the ball, right on Bush’s balls. He must not have minded, he not only did not fire her, he promoted her two years later. Not only did Rice no say she was to blame, she denied she had any fault in the disaster. She refused to apologize to the victims families, in the same kind of smug elitist manner they still handle everything, as if everyone else is to stupid to understand what is going on. This whole attitude ran through the entire Administration. Saying all the time they would not change anything they had done, as if they are so smart, no one in the Administration made a mistake that horrible day. When you refuse to learn anything new from life, you should go ahead and hang it up, you are doomed.

10. The next thing Bush did right after 9-11 was telling the Department of Defense (DOD) to get their war plans out for Iraq. He already knew he was going to take Saddam out, no matter what it took. He sent Don Rumsfeld to what is known as Central Command. This is the name of the Army General’s headquarters for the middle east region, including Iraq. Rumsfeld asked the General how many troops he would need to invade Iraq to kill or arrest Saddam. The General had been in charge of this area of the world for three years. He was a four star General, the highest attainable rank in the United States Army. The General told Rumsfeld it would take him a month to come up with a good comprehensible plan. Rumsfeld was interested in troop numbers, and time tables only. How long the General thought it would take to get to Bagdad, take out the elite guard troops, and capture Saddam. The General went to work with the best the Army had to offer. He took every bit of that month to talk to all the experts, and come up with a plan. Oddly enough this General came up with the exact same number General Schwarzkopf of the first Gulf War had. The currant General was asking for five hundred thousand troops , all their equipment, and support divisions. This instantly pissed off Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, deputy secretary of defense. Wolfowitz had drawn up a plan right after the first gulf war saying it would not take very many troops to

10. Continued ;

win a war with Iraq. The General would not budge on his figure of half a million men. After all the first gulf war was only to throw Saddam out of Kuwait, not to invade and take over control of Iraq. The General was then fired, and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz went shopping for a new General. They eventually found a three star General who said he could do the job with an eight of the troops the first General had said. He was promoted and placed in charge of Central Command. The General’s plan and Wolfowitz’s old plan that he had drawn up in 1992 was dam close to the same thing. Imagine that, a decade apart and the old plan is still the one to have. As the Administration saw it. They thought the Iraqis people would jump in and help us, that we would be welcomed as liberates not a concurring Army. In short, the General they found, and promoted, went right along with the Administrations idea of a war. Sorry I do not know their names. I can tell you this, the information/story was filmed on PBS’s show "frontline", in 2003 or 04. None of the story was contested by this Administration, or the United States Army. They were asked to go on the record and tell their side of the story, but they declined all requests for interviews. I will tell you this also, Frontline does a super Great Job of finding a story and telling it in a non-partisan way. They just investigate to get the facts, and that is all. They try their best to stay out of politics. It is a very good show and should get awards for truth telling. Telling the truth is such a lost way to behave, I am afraid we may never get it back. In the end, Bush blamed the war on bad intelligence coming from more than one source.

11. On March 18th, 2003 Bush kicks off his war. A war we started even though we had no justifiable reason. It was a first for this kind of war in the United States of America. I would say the American people have had enough. We do not like this kind of war, we won it a long time ago. Let me say that again, we WON the war a long time ago. There are no WMD, and Saddam is never going to rule again. In fact I think as soon as we leave, his head will roll. They, the Iraqis, do not need a trial to tell them Saddam is guilty of crimes against humanity. Now we are fighting a battle, that is it, nothing more than an on going battle for the hearts and minds of the people of Iraq. Let me tell you something Bush, when you, using your words, not mine, "freed the Iraqi people from a ruthless dictator", you also gave them the right to dislike anyone, and the right to voice there anger at the Americans. I am sure you want to take that freedom away from them again, but I do believe you will have a very hard time if you try that. Besides, weren’t you ever taught as a kid that you can not make someone like you? Bush tried to get the United Nations to draft a new set of requirements and inspections. Saddam agrees to the new rules, that tossed us off balance and we lost on the uptake.

12. Other facts we now know about the second war in Iraq. Lets not kid anyone, we are in two wars, the war on terror, and the war in Iraq. We have known all along that Bush has a hatred of Saddam Hussein because he believes Saddam tried to have his father killed. Bush has spoke about it often, and does not mind letting people know what he really thinks. We have heard him say over and over, "the world is a better place without Saddam Hussein in it." "The world is a safer place without Saddam Hussein in it." Notice Bush keeps speaking of Saddam in the past tents, as if he were already dead. There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that is exactly what Bush wants. During his time as Governor of Texas he never commuted a prisoner sentence of death. In fact in his time he let three people die who wanted to get DNA tests that were not available during their trials. He let all three die without ever giving them the chance to have their DNA compared to the blood evidence left at the crime scenes. To me that is cruel and unusual punishment, especially considering all three of the people had claimed their innocence since day one. Bush was the first Governor in the United States to let a woman be executed since the death penalty was reintroduced in many states. In simple he did not care about any of these people. He has shown a complete indifference to life, especially those who are poor and beneath him. It is simple to say Bush never met an execution he did not like. In a short paragraph of an article about a former friend, who worked for him shows my point.

"In 1994, Mr. Bowen was a senior member of Mr. Bush's campaign team in his successful run for governor of Texas. After Mr. Bush took office, Mr. Bowen served as assistant general counsel in the governor's office and then deputy general counsel under Alberto Gonzales, now U.S. attorney general. Mr. Bowen crafted some of Gov. Bush's most controversial legal decisions, such as ousting a Democratic judge and dismissing widespread questions about the guilt of a death-row inmate."

It should be pointed out the currant Bush in the White House is third generation oil millionaires. Bush attended the ivy league College, Yale, I think. He is real blue blood, and loves every minute of it. He cheated on tests in his early years, so it shows you his back ground and what kind of ethics he has. He never played a sport, but he was on the field, as a cheerleader. Very good at it from what I understand. I know he is a very good cheerleader now for all of his corrupt policies, uncaring elitist attitude, and no moral back bone at all. As Norman Mailer says, he has no moral Ethos. Bush has lost his way, he has never been a good leader, he has no direction, except down. Sorry, I did want to keep this short.

13. As we are all informed now, the Bush Administration put on an offence to rally the American people to go to war in Iraq. Every member of the Administration hit the talk show circuits every morning, nightly, and on Sundays, telling us over and over that Iraq had a nuclear program starting back up. Bush, in the 2002 State of the Union speech said that England knew Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa. At the time he absolutely knew this statement was wrong. If you look at his face he has the weirdest tiny little smirk on his face, like I got you now. Every American should read the Downing Street Memos. The validly of the fifteen sheets of the memos has never been denied. The English admit the memos are real and true. They clearly show Bush wanted a war with Iraq to get rid of Saddam no matter what he had to do to get it. They say, the intelligence is being fixed around the policy. In other words they were looking for any reason to go to war. It shows that right after the 9-11 attacks, Bush formed what was called the White House Iraqis Group, WHIG for short. It was this group of mens responsibility to put on a media campaign to convince the America people that Iraq was a immediate threat to the United States so we would get in line for the war. I kid you not, the Downing Street memos talk in the same type of way I am writing. When I read all this and put two and two together, I was pissed. In my humble opinion, Bush has committed no higher crime than this, because to the date of this letter, 2,343 American soldiers have been killed so Bush could have revenge on Saddam.

14. I now knew what Bush’s motivations for starting the Iraqis war was. It would not be long for me to find out the motivations of the most verbal supporter of this war, Cheney! No one, and I mean no one spoke out more to push this war on the American public. He lied over and over, saying Iraq was making nuke’s, chemical & Bio weapons programs on moving vehicles. He reported Iraq was tied to 9-11 by an Iraqis intelligence agent. He also said on the many talk shows Saddam was supporting Al-Qaeda financially. Everything Cheney said would be proven to be a lie. No one during this whole time spoke out more than Cheney did. I wondered, why would Cheney lie. We knew Bush hated Saddam, but at the time I thought Bush would have more common sense than to start a war over his understandable anger of Saddam. No, Cheney was the wild card. It took many months for me to discover the whole story on Cheney. As it turns out, through my long investigations online, Cheney was the Secretary of Defense from March, 1989 to January, 1993. Serving under the first President Bush. As a side note, I do not mind showing respect to the first President Bush, but I will not show respect to a murder, torturer, and money grabbing thief like the currant Bush. Same goes for Cheney. In my investigation into why Cheney may lie, I discovered while he was Secretary of Defense he identified several areas where he thought the military could save a lot of money by out sourcing a lot of work the old quarter master of the Army would do, still did then. The quarter master is the supply chain of the Army. From gasoline, to socks for the feet of soldiers. At that time he contacted a company the Bush family knew well. Everyone in the Bush family had either worked with this company, or owned stock in it. The same goes for Cheney, the company, called Halliburton. Cheney helped Halliburton set up a privet supply chain for the Army. They all agreed Halliburton could do things cheaper, and at lower costs across the board. I thought this was weird, who was Halliburton. As it turns out Halliburton was a major delivery company for big oil company parts. As with a lot of oil companies they were headquartered in Texas. No wonder the Bush’s were involved with the company. They had fell on hard times, as many U.S. oil fields were shutting down, and oil companies going out of business. Cheney helps this privet company he has personal ties to, and helps them get back on their feet financially. Then what happens, the first gulf war. Suddenly Halliburton is the largest mover for the military, their supplies, and their equipment. When it is forecast Saddam will set the Kuwaiti oil fields on fire, halliburton buys a company who is famous for putting out oil field fires. The company is called KBR for short. So then halliburton/KBR make hundreds of millions of dollars as a result of the war. In 1993 when Cheney leaves the defense department because Bush was beaten by Clinton, guess where he goes to work? That is right, he went right into the top slot as President & CEO of Halliburton. You know what this is such a complex story, I do not want to put off the readers. It stops here. It is this simple, as vice president Cheney has had all along huge financial ties to Halliburton/KBR. Who went from a million dollar a year company before the Iraq war, and in a year and a half, went to a multi Billion dollar a year company. Cheney has lied all along about having financial ties to his old company. He said in the 2004 elections he had sold all of his stocks, and assets in Halliburton. This is not true, he stands to be a very very rich man after he is out of office.

15. When you add in what we know now of how Halliburton operates in Iraq, we know the system is fixed so they make all the profit. They have gotten over ten Billion dollars in no bid contracts. This is totally against the smart way the defense department use to operate. In fact it was against all their established rules. We have heard just a week ago, that a Billion dollar discrepance, disputed charges the Army says they were billed this Billion dollars for services they never got. A week ago, the defense department decides to pay this bill without finding out about the disputes. The Army just up and paid halliburton. Now you can not tell me that order did not come from the top, as in Bush. I also want to point out that Halliburton is the fourth largest supplier to the United States military. When you look at the pentagons yearly budget, not including the war in Iraq, some Eighty Five Billion Dollars, we can see Halliburton, Cheney, and Bush is talking the American people to the bank. The war in Iraq is expected to cost us One Trillion Dollars. I am not sure people realize just how much money that is, we could take an eight of the population in the United States and make millionaires out of them. There is no doubt we could end homelessness, see to it every single person in the United States could have a fully funded four years of college. We could rebuild New Orleans, in Full, One Thousand times over. When you realize how much money the American people are throwing out the window, all because George Bush thinks he can build a democracy in the middle east. When all along all he wanted to do is kill Saddam, and make Halliburton rich.

16. Just some information I uncovered in my investigations online. It should help put some of the reasons why all this illegal, immoral, and disgusting behavior goes on, behind all of our backs. Remember, Bush is counting on all this being so complex, and hard to understand, he can keep the American people stupid until he is out of office. There is no telling how much more damage he will do to this country before he is out of office. Cheney graduated from Yale, just like President Bush 1, and his criminal son now in office. They all belonged to the skull and bones society. A super secret organization, with only the super wealthy, and very powerful people get in. All anyone seems to know is, when they are recognized as new members, they meet in a super secret room on the Yale campus and drink some non-alcoholic beverage from a real human skull. Now you may think I am making this up, if you do not believe, check it out online. Bush has admitted to being a member in a book he helped write, but said he could not say anymore. This has been talked about on the history channel TV show. I guess we now know why everything this Administration does is a secret, classified, and the general public is to stupid to understand. Both Cheney and Bush graduated with Business degrees. That makes sense to me now, no wonder he keeps giving big business tax breaks they do not need. He promotes what has been called the culture of corruption. It is a real thing and invades most of capital hill. Just look at the Abermoff arrest, and the following scandals that were suppose to come out of the trial. However, Bush did not want any of the Republicans being shown as the criminals they are, so what did Bush do to keep it out of the public view until after the 2006 elections? He very unethically choose to nominate the one and only top investigating deputy attorney general to a federal Judgeship. By doing this he has put the trials, and investigations back at least one year if not more. It will take that long for the new attorney to get up to speed on the investigation. Bush claims he was going to nominate this attorney for the Judgeship all along. However, I find his timing to be self serving, and very unethical. I am not saying the man should not become a judge, just that it should have waited until he had completed his investigations. You would think you would be hearing this all over the TV it is so unethical, but no. that is Bush’s secret weapon, he almost owns every major news network in the country. As I have said many many times, I can only get non-partisan real news on PBS news hour, PBS frontline, or c-span.

17. Ok, sorry, going back a little. Back when Bush, Cheney, and all the Administration parrots were beating down the talk show circuit to push the American public into believing the lies they were feeding us, so they could go to war, for personal gains. If that is not treason, it dam well should be. In 2002, after the state of the union speech and the comment about Saddam buying uranium from Africa. Former Ambassador Joe Wilson, and his under deep cover CIA agent wife Valery Plame came back from Africa after being sent there by the CIA to find out if the statement already made by Bush was true. Mrs. Plame was a specialist at nuclear weapons grade uranium discovered that Bush’s statement was not true. She happily reported this to the CIA, and then the White House when the Bush Administration kept saying that Saddam was seeking uranium. She knew this was not true and did not want the united States going to war, over bad intelligence. At the time she did not know Bush/Cheney already knew it was not true, but they were putting it out there anyway. When the CIA couple were blown off so many times, they realized what was going on. To try and stop the mad rush to war, Mr. Wilson wrote an op-ed article in the New York Times. After that, as the normal case for this Administration, they went on the attack. Doing everything they could to destroy the Wilson’s credibility. Calling them fanatical partisan nuts, and other infamous things. Of course we know it was not working, so the top aids decide to release the true identity of Mrs. Plame’s job at the CIA. This was done in such a dangerous manner it is surprising no one has been killed over the release of this information. As far as we know one or more people could have already been killed. Think about it, every person Mrs. Plame had contact with when she was over sea’s and pretending to just be an Ambassador’s wife. Every person she had contact with is now suspected of being a double agent. They really do still kill people for these things, Especially over sea’s. As we all know now, Mr. Libby has been indicted on charges of lying to investigators about when and to whom he released the info to. If you keep up with the news, Mr. Libby has admitted in open court he "had permission from his superiors." In the plural sense of the word. Now I know he only has two superiors, Cheney, and Bush. I have also noticed the Administration back peddling on how fair, competent, and a very good attorney Pat Fitzgerald is. In every interview on the CIA investigation I saw, everyone said how great a choice Pat Fitzgerald was. Now they say he is a, "partisan nut", and lacks the authority to bring the charges he has. However, there has been no major media source that has pointed this out. The right wing media, which is all not supported by public funds are not reporting this switch because it is one more thing that makes this president, and all his cronies look two faced. As they most defiantly are.

18. Look at who george bush placed in charge of the Dept. of Homeland Security, Mike Chertoff. Another unqualified political hack who has screwed up everything he has touched. Look at his response to Katrina and Rita. Not to mention how screwed up the Governments response is to this day. They are making the largest national disaster in our history worse by the horrible leadership he shows. Do not forget Mike Brown, who worked under Chertoff. Brown was made the whipping boy for Congress, and then forced to resign. People need to take another look at how Brown responded, and just how much the Bush White House, and Bush himself, lied about being ready and bringing in every asset the Federal Government had to offer. Look at the recently re-released video tape of Bush on the conference call to leaders in the State of Louisiana, he plain lied. I do not understand people in the media being afraid to call a spade a spade, he lied, and that is what you call it.

19. I want people to understand there is a lack of business ethics that pervades all big business, and Government. The Enron scandal, under Bush’s watch. The Abermoff scandal on Capital Hill, under Bush’s watch. The big oil companies gasoline refiners shutting down operations to lower the supply of gasoline, and raise the price of gasoline so they would have a higher profit margin. It worked, the oil companies had the highest profit margins in their histories. It was not ethical, but they did not care, why? Because Bush supports such activity. Case in point, Bush decided to give these very same oil companies a One Hundred Million dollar tax credit, in the face of their highest profits in history, so they would put money into research in alterative fuels. I thought the way it was suppose to work is they put their own research money in, and later make the profit on their inventions. There is nothing to question, Bush cares about profits, and not people. I guess that is what we get when we elect a rich snob elitist man to the highest office in the land. We are getting what we deserve. You know all Bush would have had to do is go on TV and let big business know he would not stand for all the bad ethics, no not him, Bush supports bad ethics, if by nothing more than making it hard for the attorney generals to go after fraud and corruption, and not coming out against this bad behavior.

20. I know one thing it took me a while to figure out. I know Bush says he is a good Christian man, a conservative who goes to church, (which we know he does not do) and be against all the sex that is on TV these days. I would support him if that were true. The thing that bugged me was ever since the reality shows started coming out, I thought the Fox network showed the most sex in prime time, when kids were watching and I did not like that. However, I have noticed every major news network, Fox, Msnbc, and CNN has by far the majority of their anchorman promoting Bush in everything they do and say. If they ever have a democrats views represented, the person representing the democrats is a weak voiced person the anchormen slaughters on TV. The worse by far is the Fox network, especially a guy named hannity or something like that. He is a loud mouthed punk, who would get his lights knocked out if he ever got around me and started spouting off about his God Bush. I thought it was so weird the Bush administration would pick Fox to give all of their exclusives to. I use to call the Fox network Satan’s channel, because they showed so much sex, violence, and bad language. Then I figured it out, profit, profit was the reason Fox was so pro Bush, and would not represent the democrats views fairly. The reason Fox has all the sex and violence is because it makes profits. The reason Fox is so partisan is because Bush is is for nothing more than profit. He supports big business and does not care about ethics. Then I wondered about all the other anchormen, it hit me, they all make a million dollars a year or more. Of course they would be pro Bush, he has supported giving all his tax breaks to the rich, no wonder they all support him. Thank God for PBS, and c-span.

21. You know talking about Bush’s bad ethics, and how much he supports profits over everything else, we must think about his recent screw ups. The port deal, he did not know about it, and no one else did is because he has already ordered everyone to place profits over everything. It did not surprise me to hear Chertoff talking about world trade, and that America has to be engaged in the world markets. To anyone, and I mean anyone, if you have payed any attention to Bush at all, you can see he is very pro rich people, and supporting everything to do with profits. It is like he can not get his head around anything else. I noticed just today, he is making a deal with India to let them have more nuclear material and knowledge. Why does he do this, because it will make someone a few hundred million dollars. I mean just one person making that kind of money, no telling how many will get rich. It just does not cross his little mind that India has already cheated with nuclear reactors and making an atomic bomb. He does not think they may do it again and make even more powerful weapons. Just like he can not see how letting the Arabs control our ports may be a danger to all Americans. He has his own personal friends with these Arab Kingships in the middle east because his family is third generation oil millionaires. He can not imagine his good friends attacking the United States. Once again putting his own interests first, and not the American people. He just has no idea what it is like to be middle class, not to mention how horrible it must be to be poor, and have his bad policies attack these poor people. You know our best Presidents started out life as poor people. Not like him raised with a silver spoon in his fat mouth.

22. One thing I have figured out, he has given tax breaks to the richest people in the world. Then turned around and took a surplus of Government funds, does he realize how long and hard people had to work to get the deficit paid off, and then put back a surplus, and ran this country into the highest debt it has ever seen. Bush and the Republicans have run up the deficit faster, and to the highest levels our country has ever seen, in record time. He has out spent every past President and Congress combined. He does not care about jobs going over sea’s, he just does not care because a few people are getting really rich. He has cut school lunch programs while giving tax breaks to the richest people in the country. He and his party are cutting college loans, while giving these unrealistic tax breaks. He must think if you can not afford college, you do not deserve to go. Bush believes in a two class system, not three. He thinks there should be the very rich, and the poor, he does not believe in a middle class. If he did, he would not be trying his best to kill off the middle class. I just have a hard time getting my head around him out spending every past President combined, it is shocking!

23. The next thing goes right in the same lines as the super rich, and the poor, and nothing more. Bush has ignored the southern border with Mexico. He has let so many illegal immigrants into our country, they are bankrupting all State Governments. It is estimated there are 14 million Mexicans floating around our country someplace, running neighborhoods into the ground. The States have no choice but to educate their kids, and it is not just a normal education. They all must have extra schooling in the English language because they speak nothing but Mexican. This angers most middle class Americans because it is our taxes being dumped into the programs for them. I will not even talk about all the extra jail space, prison space, and by far the largest bill the middle class flips, their medical bills. Yes, that is right, we have no choice but to pay their medical expenses. They work for next to nothing, flooding the labor market with unskilled labor making it harder for a poor family trying to work their way out of poverty. Does Bush care about this, hell yes. Surprising so, why do you think he will not enforce our border laws, he has had his rich friends into the White House and they have told him they need all this cheap labor for them to get richer. The people Bush represents are the companies who will have nothing to do with paying decent livable wages, and things like medical insurance. Bush did what they wanted, he is letting the Flood of Mexicans take over places like my home town. A very small little town in Indiana, no where close to the southern border. Bush is as bad as the people smugglers who exploit these people. That is what his rich friends want them here for, they are easy to exploit, and take advantage of.

24. This is nuts, we need a person in the White House who will represent the American people, not the few super rich elitists. Bush makes me sick, and so does the rich news agencies who care for nothing except their bottom line. As an example, this guy Scarborough works for MSNBC as a news anchorman, and make more than a million a year. He forgets to say he was one of those Republican Congressmen who worked with cunningham. Just remember that when you see any of his shows, and listen to his partisan comments. SCARBOROUGH: Before resigning in shame, Congressman Randy Duke Cunningham seemed to be laughing all the way to the yacht club.

Today, new details on just how deep the "Dukester" had his hand in the cookie jar. Look at some of the payoffs he took for steering defense contracts to his local cronies, a $200,000 condo in Arlington, $140,000 for the yacht, Sir Duke, $35,000 for antiques, $13,000 towards the purchase of a Rolls Royce, then over $2,000 for his daughter's graduation party. And the list goes on and on.

You know, Duke Cunningham got caught, but the question many Americans are asking tonight is, how deep is the congressional cesspool? Six members are currently under investigation for possible crimes and ethics violations. And some reports say the number could go as high as 60. What in the heck is going on in the nation's capital?

Notice he does not mention cunningham and all six Congressman he writes about are Republicans. He does not mention the contractors who paid him off are defense contractors who are making so much money it is crazy. An airplane that costs 200 million dollars, yep, and we are ordering 150 of them. That does not include all the money they will make on spare parts. My God was President Eisenhower right, "we need to beware of the military industrial complex", that was his words all those years ago. He was not born rich, he was born poor, and made something of his life. All these scumbag congressmen need to be fired right along with Bush and his whole administration. I mean you see him for what he is, or you are not looking, and you do not care. They show their indifference to the poor classes when something like the torture photos come out. It is not the story Bush supported torture, and so did the Generals. The story, and reality is the only ones prosecuted are the foot solders who were just doing their job asx they thought they should. I am telling you, PBS is the only news agency who will cover the real story and not throw in partisan comments. All the other news agencies leave out embarrassing facts of the Republicans who are in total power. I hate to admit I was a republican until this President and this Congress came along. I still hold some conservative views, but I do not want to force everyone else in the country to go along with my views, that is what the currant republican party is trying to do. I mean how can you have a good debate if every one talking is a republican and supports this administration. I would be happy if they just stayed to the facts. There is another MSNBC show called hardball where this guy has a debate with what he calls the hardball hotshots, and as much as he would like to think all views are covered, everyone of the hotshots are republican and support Bush. The anchorman of the show loves John McCain a Senator of my State who I use to think was fair. Not anymore, McCain has supported this president and his administration way to much. I can not stand the man anymore. The one thing besides McCain constantly supporting bush is, he is an out right WAR monger. He looks at the Vietnam war as a loss to this country, and he there fore want to kick the hell out of any other country he can to what, I do not know. I know he suffered greatly for this country, but to hand over war powers to this man would be the greatest mistake since bush. Hell, even when McCain came out against torture and got his bill past. Bush threatened to Veto the new law because he believes in torture. Instead of Vetoing the bill, Bush decided to just write a comment in the margin of the paper. Bush wrote the law did not apply to the CIA working outside the country. Is that what these republicans who support Bush and parrot everything he says believe in? If so, why are they afraid to come out and say it? Is that what America has turned into?

25. Another thing I have noted about this administration is how they attack anyone who does not support the administrations views. I mean they want blood and will say anything to discredit them. When something bad comes to the light of day about Bush, one of the secrets this administration is obsessed with, they have the Bush mouth team come out on all the talk shows to put forward their views. It is an all out media campaign just like they did before the Iraq war. This administration has used up their, "just trust us". That is all they seem to say in front of congress as well, trust me, trust us, we know more than you which is saying we are smarter than you. Just yesterday I heard Chertoff testifying to Congress saying, "the American people just don’t understand", talking about the port sale. When they do not want to answer a question in front of Congress they say they are not sure of the answer and will get back with the congressman, so we never hear the answer. After they have used that one up, they go to the back up, it is classified and they can not say. This administration is the most secret in history. Yes, secrets need to be kept to protect people, like Mrs. Plame and everyone she has ever spoken to over sea’s, but it is a dam public office they hold and there needs to be openness because it is our money, it is our country. It makes me sick to think of how the people of the middle east now hate us because of Bush. This world is a lot more dangerous now than it was before. Talking about the administrations parrots, I have never seen in my life time an attorney general who spends all of his time defending the administration because they have broken the law. All he is suppose to do is enforce the law, not be a mouth piece for the talk show circuit.

Spending his time testifying about wiretaps without a warrant, which the Constitution prohibits, not to mention the FISA laws, and endorsing the torture of prisoners and holding them without access to the due process of law which is another thing the Constitution prohibits.

26. If I ever understood the basic values of being a conservative it was they support less Government, less taxes, enforcing currant laws instead of constantly passing new ones, and less Government involvement in peoples lives. This is what they say, Bush’s base is, I do not understand. Under this Administration the Government has grown more, and faster than any single past President in history. Since he has been in office the Government has grown by a whole 39%, that is huge. While it is true Bush has cut taxes, it needs to be pointed out he has out spent all past Presidents combined, how does that square with being a conservative? It needs to be pointed out the republican held Congress has lead to more laws being enacted in a shorter time than any other time in our history. President bush has, and is setting all kinds of new records, all bad ones. I mean what is wrong with this guy and his cronies at the top? Did you know Bush is pushing for all these new laws to be made permanent? I do not understand how you can say you are a conservative and support this Administration. Most conservatives support the troops and defend them when they come home from war. I think every person who has served is a HERO, not just those who served in war time. However this President, and the Republican held Congress has cut money to the veterans hospitals, again, cut student loans to those who have served, he did not send in enough troops into Iraq to get the job done quickly, and now it is to late. Remember the four star general bush fired, the first one who said we needed 500,000 men to invade. They say troop levels will be determined by the commanders on the ground, but that is not true. The commanding generals know what they did to the first general who asked for to many troops. I mean everything Bush says, he turns around and does the opposite of. Then he lies, lies, lies he lies so much he thinks if he says it enough, it will come true, and no longer be lies anymore.

27. Take the Harriet Miers nomination to the Supreme Court. Bush wanted to put someone on the court who would be loyal to him, not to the laws, and Constitution of the United States. It just shows how he cares more about himself, than the American people.

28. Take the horrible medicare drug plan that is screwing up the poor and needy. He would have been better off to not have touched it at all. I mean letting the drug companies talk you into saying in the law that the Government could not bargain for lower drug prices. Again, just showing more and more how much he only cares for the rich. I have news for you bush, rich people do not need to bargain for lower drug prices, they already have great insurance that does that for them. It is us poor people who need help paying for medications, but you want us to pay full price. Thanks, for nothing, because that is exactly what you delivered.

29. Take the two million jobs the Republicans keep screaming they created. I hate to tell you, but the jobs do not even pay minimum wage. Why, because you all have not raised the minimum wage in eight years, so the minimum wage back then, is not what it is today. So you in effect, lowered it. I heard a Republican Congresswoman the other day on c-span yelling how we all have something to celebrate because the economy is in such great shape. I almost fell out of my chair. I will leave this up to the American public. Do you all feel the country’s economy is in great shape? Are you all better off than you were five years ago? Do you relish the country’s debt being the highest in history, and going higher everyday? Do you think it is a good thing that China is buying all of our debt? Do you all think the huge trade imbalance with other nations is a good thing?

30. Oh, I forgot to mention the good old boy Tom Delay. The EX-Republican leader in Congress. Why is it we are not hearing anything about the charges against this guy. He was charged with money laundering right? Where I come from that is a very very serous felony. He, and about 15-20 top republicans are either being investigated, or soon will be if Jack Abramoff cooperates with prosecutors, as he is required to do in his plea agreement. Maybe corruption is so common in the Bush party, it means nothing to them. As for the President of the United States, he has done his best to interfere with the investigation, and prosecution in a strange way. It may sound like a joke, I assure you it is no laughing matter. Bush promoted Noel L. Hillman, the lead prosecutor in the case, to a federal Judgeship. To hear Bush say it, this promotion was routine and just happened to come along at the same time as the Jack Abramoff trials, and plea agreement where he will name the other Senators and Congressman. This will start a whole new investigation, but Hillman was best suited for this job because he had been investigating Abramoff for two prior years and is the most familiar with the entire case. All of these cases are all tied together in one way or another. The promotion has significantly slowed down the case. It will take quite sometime for the new prosecutors to get up to speed on the case. I think anyone who believes this promotion was routine is out of their minds. It is clearly a misuse of power, a way to interfere with the investigation and the prosecution, to slow things down and give the dirty republicans time to run for congress. Bush’s arrogance is going to new heights, and there are many signs he is out of control, and totally incompetent.

31. One thing the Bush parrots keep saying over and over is, the Iraqis people are better off because we invaded. Ok, I will accept that as true. As long as they admit, the American people are not better off because we invaded. Shouldn’t we only invade a country when it is in our best interests? To be honest, I am not so sure they are better off. Everyone should read a Feb. 26th, 2006 article on a website called, "truthout." The article was written by Andrew Buncombet, and Patrick Cockburn for the Independent. They talk about the enormous number of dead civilians, apparently killed by Government controlled "death squads." I do not like to be insensitive, but I care more for Americans, and the people at home. The Iraqi people will have to work out the Iraqi problems.

32. Anytime this Administration, or it’s parrots are in trouble on the issues, they instantly attack Clinton and liberals. Why, why do they do this? I can only say it is one of two reasons, one they do not know what year it is and who is President, or, number two, they have no good reasons to defend their party’s leader. Bush, the money worshiping, no good for nothing war monger who is once again asking Congress to raise the debt ceiling so he can push this country into further debt.

33. I just thought of this, I am not sure if I have already mentioned it or not. I do not think I did. One thing Bush has been doing that scares me is making personal appearances at a number of locations and giving speeches. All of the appearances have been in front of a friendly crowd. Mostly on military bases, or locations were the audience is going to be mostly military. I do not mind this, in fact I think it is a great thing to do, let the boys know they have not been forgotten. However, when bush starts making statements like this, "we will never give in", and "we will accept nothing but complete victory" I get worried about the plan in Iraq. In one, and only one, of these whistle stop speeches he allowed pre-screened questions. One of the questions was, "what is our goal in Iraq, what do you hope to accomplish"? His answer,"VICTORY", so in one word he stated his goals, and what he hoped to accomplish. The sad part is he would not bother to say what victory is. Why won’t he say what victory means to him? Why does he keep changing the events by which we could judge weather we can leave? It is to late now to poor in a few hundred thousand more troops into Iraq, which by the way is what John McCain wants to do. America is already stretched to thin, we are tired of this war, thank God thousands of troops are not dying each day. I personally think one trooper stubbing his toe is to much to injury to allow this to go on. If the Iraqis go to a civil war, then it is their civil war, and we hold no stake in the engagement and should stay out of it. There is absolutely no way to help one segment of the population without offending another. Instead of a win win situation, it is a lose lose proposition. Bush is trying his best to run a war by the numbers, just like the Vietnam war was run. We would shoot down 10 of their air planes, to one of ours. We would kill 250 of the enemy for every one America killed. Running a war by numbers just does not work, period!!

34. I heard bush on TV this past week (03-06-06) talking about the port deal with Dubia, he said the correct security checks had been done, and we could trust, "His Government." I thought, when the hell did it become "his Government"? Did I miss something this week? But the striking thing to me is, after the deal dead on 03-09-06 I saw all kinds of republicans on TV saying this person, this committee, the work load, and just about every excuse except, "my dog ate my homework". I mean come on, when is this tiny willed president going to take responsibility for the things, "His Government" (administration) does? Is he such a poor excuse of a man he needs every member of Congress to take up for him and say its ok for being incompetent, Mr. President? Is nothing ever, EVER, EVER, his fault? I mean he is like a spoiled little boy, if I do not get my way, I am going to veto your law!, and stick his tongue out at the cameras.

35. I do not think I mentioned the on going debate of global warming. Bush, and his Administration have said all along it is no problem. Even in the face of rising evidence that we (humans) are negatively affecting our environment. I will let others say it better than me. The following is an excerpt from a national publication; the Observer International on climate change.

"Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like. Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), said that suppression of the report for four months was a further example of the White House trying to bury the threat of climate change." I think it says it all, I need say nothing further on this subject.

You know, I could have saved myself a hell of a lot of typing. I could have just listed the good things Bush, and his new Bush party, which are 85% of all republican congress people. We need to act, doing nothing because you are fed up is not good enough anymore, please act, one way or another, just act. That is if you want to save this country, or maybe you think we deserve what we got. Did I forgot to mention Cheney shooting a man in the face? The last point I will lay out is this is the first time in my history where the Attorney General is constantly going around to different committees and testifying to defend this Administration in possible criminal acts. I have never seen the guy go on so many TV shows to get out his clients views. He should have never been confirmed as attorney general because he can not get out of the White House counsel roll. I am so sorry, I wanted to keep everything short and to the point. I failed in doing that, but I hope you can see why. I do hope you print this out and read it all. I mean come on, selling our ports, mangos for nukes, what is next? I am as sick as a person can get of hearing the republicans saying everything is fine. The economy is doing great, although we are in debt up past our eyes, and Bush wants us to grow taller so he can borrow more.

It scares me to death to know what we now know about the entire Bush Administration. What keeps me awake at night, and my stomach rolling is, what don’t we know about this Administration. Anyone who blames the Congress for all this crap is so wrong. Bush has done everything he could to leave Congress in the dust. Every Republican in Congress needs to go bye bye. I have a little more sympathy for the Democrats because they have been totally over whelmed by several factors. The complications of all of bush’s crimes, and republican control of both houses of congress. They should have known better, all of them, and if the democrats do not stand up and investigate this president, they all need to be fired, and a new republican President elected. You must stand for something or you will fall for anything. They do not have to sound radical, or a far left wing nut, but they must lay out basically what I have. There are so many reasons to investigate this guy and all of his cronies it is over whelming. No problem in finding a reason. The bush administration has screwed up every single major issue that has come along. What is the new news this week, another White House aide arrested for fraud/theft. Talking about cronyism and corruption, we struck it with this Administration. And like Bill Clinton wreaked the democratic party by lying, this president is going to blow apart the republican party. He has hijacked the party and turned it into his own. This president has not taken responsibility for any action he has done, the 5 words will not come to his mouth because of his arrogance. Oh, the words, I know I was wrong. If anyone wants to dispute these charges, by all means, email me. If you happen to agree with the common sense of these charges, Please, email me. Maybe together we can figure out a way of getting this guy, and his money loving parrots out of office a little early.

Sincerely,

Darroll McKinney

425 E. McKellips Rd. #37

Mesa, Arizona 85203-2542

Phone: 480-464-8844

Dwolfaz@netzero.com

PS: I am begging you all to Please forward this on to all your family, friends, and co-workers. It does not matter if you disagree, if you have been brave enough to read this to this point, I Thank You, and would love to hear why you disagree.

Jamla, You make a dubious assumption, that the terrorists want to see Bush out. Why do they explode things, killing people? To goad us into making rash and misguided responses, to goad us into destroying our own democratic institutions, to divide us, to decrease our standing in the world. Who else but Bush/Cheney could do better? Did Quaeda weep when we attacked Iraq? They celebrated! They love the big, lawless reactions and the weakening of the international order. If you want a direct evidence of this, see my pont above about Brer Rabbit -- "Born and bred in the Brier patch." Laden was afraid Bush might be going out, and so he sent a last-minute anti-Bush message, knowing full well that Americans would therby see Bush in a better light, and maybe nudge him into re-election, which is what happened.

Posted by: Political Junkie

"Frist's argument has no merit. The core of his argument is that this resolution will embolden the terrorists because they will believe the country does not support its president; however the terrorists do not need Senator Feingold's resolution to realize the President has no support. They need only look at his plummeting poll numbers published in every newspaper around the world. Islamic fanaticism is not exacerbated by anything Senator Feingold, Senator Frist, or any other American does. This war of ideas will continue despite which party is in office or what actions our politicians take. Drop the act, Senator Frist, and let's defend the principles that have made the United States a beacon of hope to the world for the past century."

Until 911 Bush was a failed Preisdent, it was the terrorist that got him re-elected. I think they know that now and have changed tactics, all they have to do is stay in Afganistan/Pakistan and in the new home Bush made for them in Iraq watching him drop in the polls.

Posted by: Bobby Wightman-Cervantes

"The President's top advisors fail to identify bad intelligence and no one gets fired - Bush runs his cabinet like every other federal agency - no amount of incompetence can get you fired - even when your incompetence fails to identify bad intelligence and our nation is needlessly driven to war"

Bobby, perhaps the advisors were commanded by Bush not to identify "bad intelligence". Perhaps Bush wanted to invade Iraq befor 911 or even before he took office.

Posted by: J james

"Now when some senator tries to do something he is knocked back. I cannot understand why your people are so deaf dumb and blind to what is going on and why any of you should support bush at all, and why killing seems to be Americas favourite passtime"

J James, you should apply your comment to specific debaters. I did not vote for Bush in 2000, thus I did not hire him as president. I voted against him in 2004, thus I voted to fire him as president. I will vote against his party in 2006, but until then he has monopoly on power.

Bush never fooled me, and is fooling fewer americans everyday. Be patient, our political system will work.

Well said Will.'Getting' the purpose of warrants - and thereby the 4th admendment - requires a little bit of a nuanced understanding. Say,..who is it that said that they dont 'do nuance'?

Feingold is right - Bush broke the law.

War is not a blank check.

The Republican Congress is breaking their oath of office in which they sowre to uphold the constitution - they are placing partisan loyalty ahead of loyalty to country.

Republicans are hypocrites - they always preach about the 'Rule of Law' and then throw that concept out of the window when one of their own breaks the law - again, loyalty to eachother, not the coutry.

Bush has proven himself to be a criminal, hypocrite, and a liar by his own actions and words.

Russ Feingold has more principle, intelligence, guts, love of country and liberty, and leadership than the entire republican party.

Posted by: Jim Kane

“The President Bush agenda is to be a good leader for this country and he has over five years of experiences to prove this point. The tragedies that have occurred during his presidency were not staged, planned or the result of his being in the office of the president. Mr. Feingold, sir, you appear to be out of touch with realities and seeking acceptance of some strange agenda that you claim as yours. Sorry.”

Mr. Feingold is in touch with reality, the invasion of Iraq was staged, planned, and the result of GWB being president. Terrorism existed before 911 and will exit after. As a United States Senator, in a system of government with checks and balances, he did his patriotic duty with the censure President Bush over a controversial domestic surveillance program. The Bush administration has applied McCarthyism to terrorism and now Senator Frist is also using McCarthyism. Frist should be careful being a rubber stamp for Bush, it might appear a vote for Frist is a vote for four more years of Bush. Bush’s fate in the polls will be the fate of all who cling to him.

Posted by: Nathan

"Congress gave the President authorization to fight the war on Islamic fanaticism and the wiretapping is part of that effort."

We only know about the domestic to foreign wiretapping/spying, because that was what the leak revealed. It is unknown whether 100% domestic wiretapping/spying was or is taking place. Gonzalez never denied questions pertaining to 100% domestic wiretapping/spying, he refused to answer on grounds the questions were of an operational nature. With the presidents wide interpretation there is little doubt his fight on terror has gone much further that he has revealed. He only got caught on one aspect of it.

Posted by: Intrepid Liberal

“Perhaps Feingold has done it again. A censure is not unreasonable. Saint Hillary is in an interesting position. If she like other Democrats remains timid then Feingold can go to progressives and say, "see, I'm your champion. You can't count on Hillary." If she does support a censure at some point, than she's following Feingold's lead.
http://www.intrepidliberaljournal.blogspot.com”

Or it could work out best for HRC, as in the “good cop, back cop” routine. Russ does all the dirty work (although justified and I support him) and HRC keeps the moderate image she’s now cultivating.

Posted by: vivabush04OH

“Sorry to burst your left-wing bubble but this is not a nuanced issue but one that is indeed as described by CC. Congress gave the President authorization to fight the war on Islamic fanaticism and the wiretapping is part of that effort.”

By your interpretation Bush can do anything he wants (100% domestic spying with out warrants, spying on the political opposition, heaven forbid even murder), unlimited power. Where does it stop and what controls are in place to prevent the executive branch from abusing power?

“Let us take a vote and see who wishes to censure a President at a time of war.Bring it on!!”

The Iraq War is Bush’s war, he created with his “cherry picked” intelligence, censured all those who advised against invading Iraq and now practices McCarthyism (now called Rove-ism) to blind the American people. The biggest irony of all, after no WMD’s were found or 911 link/ fight the spread of an Islamic Empire, was changing the rational for the war to spreading democracy only to have a non democratic constitution with an Islamic government elected.

Bill Frist is an idiot. George Bush knowingly broke the law and did not use a mechanism gauranteed to give him what he wanted. The FISA court virtually rubber-stamps applications and they do not have to be submitted until after the wiretapping begins. Why not follow the law? Georgie has something to hide.

Feingold is merely trying to protect US citizens. Otherwise, George's minions will be monitoring all telephone calls, if they are not already. How does anyone know?

I'm glad to see my pleas for civil and meaningful dialogue are read with interest.

The government has a primary purpose to "insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,...and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." In no way does it have the responsibility to provide schools, health care, prescription drugs, food, houses, cars, old age pensions, or jobs to U.S. citizens.)
hey pat you skipped: PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE
you stupid ignorant bigot

Chris needs to correct his posting about the great "response" on Frist's Blog. Comments there are filtered, like everything else the RNC stages.

Being a stooge for someone as lame as Bill Frist can't be very rewarding so stop it already.

For our foriegn visitor J James-

I think if you have read this thread, you will see that not everyone is in lock step with what the administration is doing.

Also, do not confuse the American people with the instrument of its government. I know that the perception is one and the same but in defense of the people of America, very few are aware of exactly what is happening.

Our "nation" is not arrogently ignorant but I believe that the "Administration" has acted with indifferant arrogance.

Iran, however, is a poor example to use (if you indeed meant to invoke Iran as an example and not Iraq).

I think you will find a vastly different international perspective on Iran flaunting international opposition to processing uranium to produce nuclear fuel, which could be used for dual purposes.

Your perception and criticism is well-taken, at least to this poster, however your denegration of "an arrogantly ignorant nation" will not provide you much sympathy. I serious doubt there is much difference in foreign perception to informed or deliberate arrogance and therefore simply insulting Americans detracts from your point.

To that end, while I would normally ignore such a post (while still being aware of and fully despondant at any additional anti-American sentiments unneccesarily created by an administration I did not vote for and have railed against here and in other forums) not out of ignorance or from a feeling of superiority, I found it necessary to point out the flaws of your arguments.

I have done so consistantly in my conversations with conservatives and liberals in the various posts on this site, to endeavor to make arguments based upon facts (and hopefully, graciously asceded to my own failings when appropriate) and railed against detracting from meaningful dialogue with the use of illogical "straw-man" arguments. If you have a valid point or statement, it will stand or fall on the merits of its construction and content without a need for extraneous, erroneous or derogatory comments.

I am off my soapbox now.

Pat-

Actually, American citizens who happen to be terrorists do have a constitutionally protected right against unreasonable searches and seizures whereas the "unreasonable" portion is typically argued judicially.

And American citizens who happen to be terrorists also have a legally protected right to communicate over the phone with other terrorists unmolested until such time that the State produces a warrant.

And though this may seem unreasonable to you it seems imminently reasonable to me since, without warrants, the term "terrorist" could just as easily apply to radical islamic fundamentalists and librarians; the terms are, at best indistinguishable, at worst arbitrarily decided by malevolent executives who happen to wield the power to so decide. The warrant part of the process is what functionally and neutrally separates the former (terrorists) from the latter (librarians).

Why is it that only regarding "terrorism" is the warrant process so draconian? The reason we require warrants to search a murder suspect's home is not because the State protects murders, it's because without the warrant process the entities of "murder suspects" and "non-murder suspects" are indistinguishable (since it is a warrant that determines the "reasonable" part of searches and seizures. It is unreasonable to listen to librarians talk to their boyfriends. It is reasonable to listen to terrorists talk to terrorists).

Do you think warrants are stupid in general?

"I know we've heard this history lesson a thousand times, but that's the law. We have FISA to allow the executive to do some controlled survellience at the drop of a hat -- WITH a retroactive warrant. "

"Look, if the law is a problem, change the damn law; that's what Congress is for."

Nathan,

This is part of the problem. If the Bush administration with the above reference Nation Security law, we would not be having this discussion. The problem is that the administration has gone beyond the law, and has not been applying for the retroactive warrants. Bush, Cheney and crew have stubbornly insisted they have the authority to do so based upon the Congressional authorization to conduct the War on Terror with "all means necessary".

And as I alluded to earlier, COngress should act to address the abuse of executive power but that would require a rebuke of past administration action and they have been reluctant to do so formally. This is where it does become political.

A rebuke of this kind, they feel, will weaken thier position for the mid-term elections.

To be fair, while the call for a congressional investigation is probably warranted for legitimate reasons, don't think Congressional Democrats don't want to use it for their own political purposes, to beat the Bush administration and Congressional Republicans over the head with in November.

I am not an AMerican and I live on the other side of the world, but I wonder whether you americans are aware of how much the rest of the world are comoing to despise you as a nation. Other western nations, intelligent thinking people everywhere are so in awe at how you have allowed your president to wage war on what we all knew where lies.

we are shocked that not one single International body has been able to censure your president or your country, which proves all their talk of peace of the law of international agreements are impotent in the face of such emperial power

Now when some senator tries to do something he is knocked back. I cannot understand why your people are so deaf dumb and blind to what is going on and why any of you should support bush at all, and why killing seems to be Americas favourite passtime

You need to know that the rest of the world is experiencing a rising anti americanism that is a direct result of your ignorance, your cultural insensitivity and your superiority complex that sees anything outside of america as something less than.

if you could see through your media what the rest of the world sees through theirs you would not be supporting Bush, you would not be acting as if nothing is wrong with illegal invasions, pre emptive wars, lies and tratiours behavour - you would all be standing next to the senator who moves to try an control an out of control president

from outside America we see you as being so very heavily brainwashed that you will believe almost any lie, twice i.e Iran and we watch as we see you loose more of your freedoms every day, and we shake our head in bewilderment at how a nation can remain so arrogantly ignorant of what is really going on in your names, and how you can let this continue.

support all and every move to impeach your preseident because in doing so you will be standing up to justice - not giving your power away to lies deciet and deception
you will be doing the right thing

I gotta go, but it was an interesting thread. You pro-democratic people showed your colors. But you know what has me concerned? I see this emerging courage from the left, and wonder what it would take to cow you again. I like you, when you show the spunk you've been gradually showing again now that the memory of the attacks by terrorists seem to be fading into the past. In all cases, please remember your proud history, and that of our country, and never be cowed by the Rove/Fox crowd again -- for health we need two sides to the national debate. In this regard, think about this: you know the story of Brer Rabbit, right, "Born and bred in the Brier patch..."? Pretty ingenious, heh? How would you view the Brer Rabbit story in light of Bin Laden's final-hour endorsement against Bush and Co. in the last elections. I can't say whether he's a Brer Rabbit or not, but he might be -- and I am sure that it was the lowest thing in American history for the Bush people to actually spin that endorsement against Kerry, almost like they were in league with the devil. With that in mind, let's hope those Queda never strike again, but if they do, remember that democracy is only as strong as the convictions of the people in it. Don't let him manipulate you, never let him make this country less than it is. I say all this because it is at the heart of this whole episode -- the fear and manipulation ultimately spawned by Bin Laden himself.

I'd like to think that this doesn't matter, but Feingold has been divorced twice, which will definately not play well with voters anywhere. I can see it now... "Feingold thinks he can manage the mightiest nation in the world, but couldn't
even manage a family?"

Feingold '08!

Wow. I leave for a couple hours, look at the responses, and see this pile of crap.

"Nobody is "stripping" anybody of their rights. Nobody has a right to make overseas phone calls to terrorists without surveillance."

Yikes. Have you GLANCED at the Constitution? Nobody has a specific right to "publish a green-tinted magazine questioning the value of government bonds", either -- it's a SUBSET of a larger right.

In this case, you've have the right to be free of warrantless searches and wiretaps, EVEN IF YOU ARE A BAD PERSON.

I know we've heard this history lesson a thousand times, but that's the law. We have FISA to allow the executive to do some controlled survellience at the drop of a hat -- WITH a retroactive warrant.

Look, if the law is a problem, change the damn law; that's what Congress is for. This is really not as political as everyone tries to make it -- spare me the "this is why Democrats don't win elections", or "Bush is secretly tapping his political opponents". This (like everything else) really has nothing to do with Democrats, although as a whole they'll obviously try to exploit it for political gain. I don't care. I want law, order, and justice -- not necessarily in that order, but I want all three. I don't give a rat's ass who gains political points out of this. I want a president who doesn't make up his own damn laws, and I want a Congress and a citizenry that's going to hold any president who does so responsible.

God, it's just pathetic. How do some of you manage to filter any and all legitmate, reasoned, nonpartisan criticism as white noise from the "left-wing" boogeyman? Is ANYTHING nonpartisan to you? You oughta be locked in a small room with Bill Frist, Joe Biden, and a television camera until your ears bleed.

To my beloved Pat and Alex:

when the only way each of you have for positing an argument is with misinformation you are not helping our President.

Pat, I am encouraged that you are so informed about war and our military inteligence that you know for sure you are qualified to have an opinion based on the facts and the complexity of military strategy

You can send your son or daughter to fight a war based on the public opinion of the American people - but I have too much love for life to send a child of mine to war on the public opinion of the American People.

A history lesson: The Republicans in the last chapter of "The Iran-Contra Affair" Joint Report of the Congressional Committees made a point, which I agree with, that sometimes these matters are too complex for public opinion to guide the policy makers - war is also a good example -

This is why this flaming liberal supports Bush on the Port deal, because as a former Russian Voice Interceptor for the Army I know enough to know we know very little of the facts -

Unlike Pat I am willing to admit I do not know all of the facts to justify this nation going to war - however, I do know when I have been lied too and that is all the difference.

The President's top advisors fail to identify bad intelligence and no one gets fired - Bush runs his cabinet like every other federal agency - no amount of incompetence can get you fired - even when your incompetence fails to identify bad intelligence and our nation is needlessly driven to war

Pat and Alex, no matter how much I dislike our President, he deserves better advocates than the two of you.

BObby Wightman-Cervantes
www.balancingtheisses.com

"Hey Viva -

Question, which John McCain are we talking about? The one that ran in 2000 or the one that was seen at the SRLC?"

Can we say, the one who can win the presidency as the 2008 Republican Candidate.

VivaMcCain08

Perhaps the closest thing to something on target from the Frist/Rove/Fox crowd was by Alex: "The plain text is pretty plain: No searches without warrants, issued upon probable cause."
Gee, the plain text is so simple that YOU GOT IT WRONG.
No UNREASONABLE searches or seizures, and no warrants, without probable cause.

But it it also beside the point. We are talking here about the breaking of Laws past by Congress, long since the Constitution and Bill of rights were signed. Its called the NSA Act, and it is a serious legal instrument. Tell me one thing, do you know anyone who ever went to jail for "breaking the Constitution" -- no, although it is the supreme law of the land, breaking any other law also puts you in risk of going to jail, or of formalized criticism from Congress (censure).
Could anything be plainer --- flout the law, risk paying the price.

Hey Viva -

Question, which John McCain are we talking about? The one that ran in 2000 or the one that was seen at the SRLC?

I am confused now as to what he stands for. I was hoping that George Allen would do better. He is going to get my vote as of now.

51% of the vote = clear mandate with political capital according to Bush. Yeah, he really screwed up that didn't he?

Isn't it time for the RNC staffers to go home yet? They sure do post a lot on this board.

Who knows if McCain could turn out to be a good president in years to come. Republicans aren't all bad. Actually I was sort of wishing that the Frist/Fox/Rove crowd would come up with something substantive and forcible to make this thread interesting. They disappoint me.

you have no idea how much this one time Marxist Democrat detested Agnew at that time.
VivaMcCain!

VBOH: I agree re RMill; dogs sleeping with cats must be next. On the other hand, Goldwater was a true conservative. Neither Bush nor 'Pat' above can hold a candle to him.

I also agree with john norman above: 'Pat' clearly watches a LOT of Fox News. Karl Rove is his idol/real name. If you can't beat 'em, change the subject. Running away from the truth is a great strategy until you actually have to govern, ain't it Karl? Things kind of go south on you when reality rears its ugly head.

I don't get the point that he was elected by 51% -- does that mean he can now needlessly flout the law without any criticism from Congress or those 49%, or even many of those 51%? Where I come from, lawbreakers pay the price, and the price for so-called high crimes and "misdemenours" is censure, pure and simple.

I hope the leaders of the Democratic party are reading this blog. It seems obvious to me that most Dems want so badly for their representatives to stand for principle and not self interest. These representatives would be wise to listen to that message.

Viva

I said it was a paradox!

It's better than quoting Spiro Agnew for crying out loud Vivabush! At least Barry Goldwater had integrity!

Pat

Use caution in your mixing of articles of the US Constitution. Also the preamble - establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity - is not actual law of the land.

Article 1
Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises