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One observation on the religious right is that they have already peaked in their control of the Republican party. Though they will try, they will not be able to hold the sway over Republican nominees they used to. The best they may get is a few party planks thrown their way at the convention and we all know that convention party planks are meaningless for anything other than talking head fodder during the slack time of convention coverage.

If the Democrats expand their control of Congress in 08, which may very well happen becaue any more GOP senate seats are up in 08 than in 06, GOP candidates are going to be running for the center, not to the right. This will be especially true if they capture the presidency as well.

And the next thing that may happen is the loss of their hold on the radio waves.

Greg,

"Instead, Bush antagonized people who could have been our best allies against the actual terrorists and started a war against Iraq..."

You've done much too many drugs.

Iraq is an "ally" (for lack of a better term) specifically BECAUSE we invaded them. Let's repeat that statement, Iraq is an "ally" (for lack of a better term) specifically BECAUSE we invaded them.

I want you to repeat that to every Coffeehouse Communist you come into contact with because it is absolutely true. Iraq was never (nor could it EVER) be an "ally" to the United States in it's war vs terrorism so long as Saddam Hussien was running the country. To believe anything other than that plain fact, means you have drunk way too much Kool-Aid.

This war vs Islamic Fundamentalism will take decades, DECADES. You and I may never know true "peace" as long as we live. And that is NOT the fault of the United States.

I used to be an admirer of John McCain, but now I really am understanding that the man who pretends to be so honorable and principled is just another squirmy political animal. Lately, he takes a road that can turn anyway he wishes to say, disingenuously, "See, I told you I was right about Iraq." He backs Bush's escalation of the war, but hedges his position by saying the escalation is too small. He criticizes the democrats for criticizing Bush's tragic foray into Iraq by claiming they have no alternative plan. It's absurd to ask someone for an alternative to a plan that has simply put us in an impossible situation in the first place. The best plan was to stay the h___ out of a sectarian swamp in the first place, McCain! The best plan was to go after Osama and his murderous organization full-force with the backing of almost the entire world, instead of entering a war with people who were actually providing a shield against the fanatical Islamists. Instead, Bush antagonized people who could have been our best allies against the actual terrorists and started a war against Iraq with premises that were all lies or bogus intelligence. Now someone's supposed to come up with alternative plans to dig ourselves out of a deeper and deeper hole, which both Bush and McCain seem to think we can extract ourselves from by keeping digging and asking for bigger and bigger shovels. McCain is a joke, just as Bush is, but, worse, maybe even more slippery and ultimately untrustworthy.

I used to be an admirer of John McCain, but now I really am understanding that the man who pretends to be so honorable and principled is just another squirmy political animal. Lately, he takes a road that can turn anyway he wishes to say, disingenuously, "See, I told you I was right about Iraq." He backs Bush's escalation of the war, but hedges his position by saying the escalation is too small. He criticizes the democrats for criticizing Bush's tragic foray into Iraq by claiming they have no alternative plan. It's absurd to ask someone for an alternative to a plan that has simply put us in an impossible situation in the first place. The best plan was to stay the h___ out of a sectarian swamp in the first place, McCain! The best plan was to go after Osama and his murderous organization full-force with the backing of almost the entire world, instead of entering a war with people who were actually providing a shield against the fanatical Islamists. Instead, Bush antagonized people who could have been our best allies against the actual terrorists and started a war against Iraq with premises that were all lies or bogus intelligence. Now someone's supposed to come up with alternative plans to dig ourselves out of a deeper and deeper hole, which both Bush and McCain seem to think we can extract ourselves from by keeping digging and asking for bigger and bigger shovels. McCain is a joke, just as Bush is, but, worse, maybe even more slippery and ultimately untrustworthy.

I used to be an admirer of John McCain, but now I really am understanding that the man who pretends to be so honorable and principled is just another squirmy political animal. Lately, he takes a road that can turn anyway he wishes to say, disingenuously, "See, I told you I was right about Iraq." He backs Bush's escalation of the war, but hedges his position by saying the escalation is too small. He criticizes the democrats for criticizing Bush's tragic foray into Iraq by claiming they have no alternative plan. It's absurd to ask someone for an alternative to a plan that has simply put us in an impossible situation in the first place. The best plan was to stay the h___ out of a sectarian swamp in the first place, McCain! The best plan was to go after Osama and his murderous organization full-force with the backing of almost the entire world, instead of entering a war with people who were actually providing a shield against the fanatical Islamists. Instead, Bush antagonized people who could have been our best allies against the actual terrorists and started a war against Iraq with premises that were all lies or bogus intelligence. Now someone's supposed to come up with alternative plans to dig ourselves out of a deeper and deeper hole, which both Bush and McCain seem to think we can extract ourselves from by keeping digging and asking for bigger and bigger shovels. McCain is a joke, just as Bush is, but, worse, maybe even more slippery and ultimately untrustworthy.

I used to be an admirer of John McCain, but now I really am understanding that the man who pretends to be so honorable and principled is just another squirmy political animal. Lately, he takes a road that can turn anyway he wishes to say, disingenuously, "See, I told you I was right about Iraq." He backs Bush's escalation of the war, but hedges his position by saying the escalation is too small. He criticizes the democrats for criticizing Bush's tragic foray into Iraq by claiming they have no alternative plan. It's absurd to ask someone for an alternative to a plan that has simply put us in an impossible situation in the first place. The best plan was to stay the h___ out of a sectarian swamp in the first place, McCain! The best plan was to go after Osama and his murderous organization full-force with the backing of almost the entire world, instead of entering a war with people who were actually providing a shield against the fanatical Islamists. Instead, Bush antagonized people who could have been our best allies against the actual terrorists and started a war against Iraq with premises that were all lies or bogus intelligence. Now someone's supposed to come up with alternative plans to dig ourselves out of a deeper and deeper hole, which both Bush and McCain seem to think we can extract ourselves from by keeping digging and asking for bigger and bigger shovels. McCain is a joke, just as Bush is, but, worse, maybe even more slippery and ultimately untrustworthy.

I used to be an admirer of John McCain, but now I really am understanding that the man who pretends to be so honorable and principled is just another squirmy political animal. Lately, he takes a road that can turn anyway he wishes to say, disingenuously, "See, I told you I was right about Iraq." He backs Bush's escalation of the war, but hedges his position by saying the escalation is too small. He criticizes the democrats for criticizing Bush's tragic foray into Iraq by claiming they have no alternative plan. It's absurd to ask someone for an alternative to a plan that has simply put us in an impossible situation in the first place. The best plan was to stay the h___ out of a sectarian swamp in the first place, McCain! The best plan was to go after Osama and his murderous organization full-force with the backing of almost the entire world, instead of entering a war with people who were actually providing a shield against the fanatical Islamists. Instead, Bush antagonized people who could have been our best allies against the actual terrorists and started a war against Iraq with premises that were all lies or bogus intelligence. Now someone's supposed to come up with alternative plans to dig ourselves out of a deeper and deeper hole, which both Bush and McCain seem to think we can extract ourselves from by keeping digging and asking for bigger and bigger shovels. McCain is a joke, just as Bush is, but, worse, maybe even more slippery and ultimately untrustworthy.

I used to be an admirer of John McCain, but now I really am understanding that the man who pretends to be so honorable and principled is just another squirmy political animal. Lately, he takes a road that can turn anyway he wishes to say, disingenuously, "See, I told you I was right about Iraq." He backs Bush's escalation of the war, but hedges his position by saying the escalation is too small. He criticizes the democrats for criticizing Bush's tragic foray into Iraq by claiming they have no alternative plan. It's absurd to ask someone for an alternative to a plan that has simply put us in an impossible situation in the first place. The best plan was to stay the h___ out of a sectarian swamp in the first place, McCain! The best plan was to go after Osama and his murderous organization full-force with the backing of almost the entire world, instead of entering a war with people who were actually providing a shield against the fanatical Islamists. Instead, Bush antagonized people who could have been our best allies against the actual terrorists and started a war against Iraq with premises that were all lies or bogus intelligence. Now someone's supposed to come up with alternative plans to dig ourselves out of a deeper and deeper hole, which both Bush and McCain seem to think we can extract ourselves from by keeping digging and asking for bigger and bigger shovels. McCain is a joke, just as Bush is, but, worse, maybe even more slippery and ultimately untrustworthy.

I used to be an admirer of John McCain, but now I really am understanding that the man who pretends to be so honorable and principled is just another squirmy political animal. Lately, he takes a road that can turn anyway he wishes to say, disingenuously, "See, I told you I was right about Iraq." He backs Bush's escalation of the war, but hedges his position by saying the escalation is too small. He criticizes the democrats for criticizing Bush's tragic foray into Iraq by claiming they have no alternative plan. It's absurd to ask someone for an alternative to a plan that has simply put us in an impossible situation in the first place. The best plan was to stay the h___ out of a sectarian swamp in the first place, McCain! The best plan was to go after Osama and his murderous organization full-force with the backing of almost the entire world, instead of entering a war with people who were actually providing a shield against the fanatical Islamists. Instead, Bush antagonized people who could have been our best allies against the actual terrorists and started a war against Iraq with premises that were all lies or bogus intelligence. Now someone's supposed to come up with alternative plans to dig ourselves out of a deeper and deeper hole, which both Bush and McCain seem to think we can extract ourselves from by keeping digging and asking for bigger and bigger shovels. McCain is a joke, just as Bush is, but, worse, maybe even more slippery and ultimately untrustworthy.

I used to be an admirer of John McCain, but now I really am understanding that the man who pretends to be so honorable and principled is just another squirmy political animal. Lately, he takes a road that can turn anyway he wishes to say, disingenuously, "See, I told you I was right about Iraq." He backs Bush's escalation of the war, but hedges his position by saying the escalation is too small. He criticizes the democrats for criticizing Bush's tragic foray into Iraq by claiming they have no alternative plan. It's absurd to ask someone for an alternative to a plan that has simply put us in an impossible situation in the first place. The best plan was to stay the h___ out of a sectarian swamp in the first place, McCain! The best plan was to go after Osama and his murderous organization full-force with the backing of almost the entire world, instead of entering a war with people who were actually providing a shield against the fanatical Islamists. Instead, Bush antagonized people who could have been our best allies against the actual terrorists and started a war against Iraq with premises that were all lies or bogus intelligence. Now someone's supposed to come up with alternative plans to dig ourselves out of a deeper and deeper hole, which both Bush and McCain seem to think we can extract ourselves from by keeping digging and asking for bigger and bigger shovels. McCain is a joke, just as Bush is, but, worse, maybe even more slippery and ultimately untrustworthy.

I used to be an admirer of John McCain, but now I really am understanding that the man who pretends to be so honorable and principled is just another squirmy political animal. Lately, he takes a road that can turn anyway he wishes to say, disingenuously, "See, I told you I was right about Iraq." He backs Bush's escalation of the war, but hedges his position by saying the escalation is too small. He criticizes the democrats for criticizing Bush's tragic foray into Iraq by claiming they have no alternative plan. It's absurd to ask someone for an alternative to a plan that has simply put us in an impossible situation in the first place. The best plan was to stay the h___ out of a sectarian swamp in the first place, McCain! The best plan was to go after Osama and his murderous organization full-force with the backing of almost the entire world, instead of entering a war with people who were actually providing a shield against the fanatical Islamists. Instead, Bush antagonized people who could have been our best allies against the actual terrorists and started a war against Iraq with premises that were all lies or bogus intelligence. Now someone's supposed to come up with alternative plans to dig ourselves out of a deeper and deeper hole, which both Bush and McCain seem to think we can extract ourselves from by keeping digging and asking for bigger and bigger shovels. McCain is a joke, just as Bush is, but, worse, maybe even more slippery and ultimately untrustworthy.

Then why didn't Paul Celucci become president?
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Because he is a Republican and it is impossibelfor a Pro-Abortion Republican to win the nomination for President. They can only win the Governor's seat in Massachusetts.

Or William Weld?
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Because he is a Republican and it is impossibelfor a Pro-Abortion Republican to win the nomination for President. They can only win the Governor's seat in Massachusetts.

Both were Republicans elected Governor in Massachusetts.

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And both were pro-Abortion unlike Romney who only said he was Pro-Choice to get elected.

Massachusetts had a Republican governor for the last 15 years, up until earlier this month. Being a Republican governor here isn't the great accomplishment some might have you believe.
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Sure it is. I grew up in Massachusetts. I know what it is all about. The Massachusetts Republican Party fails entirely at getting their people elected to the State House as State Reps. That is because the majority of Massachusetts residents are liberal, pro-Choice, pro-Union, cafeteria, Catholics who were told (since birth) that if you ever vote for Republican, you are going to straight to Hell. So they tend to vote for whoever has the 'D' next to his or her name without even thinking. It's "instinct." Fortunately for Weld, Celluci, and Romney, the GOP Party of Massachusetts has been able to convince voters who REMEMBER the days of Governor Michael Du-TAX-us how expensive it could be to live in Taxachusetts. So, many liberal, Catholic, Mass Voters risk enternal damnation and choose 'R' for governor because they don't want to just give their entire wallet over to the state the way they used to under Demiocratic Governors. In that sense, the "Republican Governor" was the counter-weight balance to the Democratic controlled State House and the Democraic Treasurer, both of which would happily raise taxes or simply borrow money to keep those government "hacks" paid while working their "do nothing" jobs.

If you are from Massachusetts, you should know this.

It's also worth pointing out that Romney's handpicked successor, Lt. Gov Kerry Healey, got stomped in the general election.

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Muffy got stomped for three reasons: #1)because there are fewer and fewer voters every four years that remember Michael Dukakis and the "junk bond" rating that Massachusetts had in 1990, #2) she never really said exactly what she stood for or what she would do in Massachusetts. It is EXTREMELY hard to be elected Governor of Massachusetts if you are GOP. You need to outline precisely what you would do to keep spending in check, something tht Mel, Celluci, and Romney did well, that Muffy failed at miserably. And #3) there was a perception that "Muffy" was an elitist b*tch who never did a read hard days work in her life, so she couldn't possibly understand how difficult it is to make it in Massachusetts. Romney had tremendous buisness and 2002 Olympics accomplishments. Muffy, had zero.

So now (because Muffy failed), they have Deval Patrick. There is going to be a mass-Exodus of population OUT of Massachusetts like you wouldn't believe. People are going to leave that state faster than anything.

I'm not going to defend MikeB, but it appears that he is really generalizing when he is calling all Mormons crooks and liars. This is a weakness that exposed people who tend to be ignorant.

MikeB probably read somewhere that the problem that many Christians (Christians who are NOT Mormon) have with Mormons is that the root of their Faith rests with the words of Joseph Smith and the Golden Tablets that only HE has ever seen. Those Tablets are the foundation of the Book of Mormon, and the entire religion. One could say that Joseph Smith was a crook, a thief, a terrible businessman, a liar, a polygamist, even a sexual pervert (mostly because that is what most non-Mormons see when they see the man for what he is and for what he has done.) But Romney (and other Mormons who are alive today) do not inherit the sins of Joseph Smith, their prophet. That is like saying all Muslims are responsible for the sins of Mohammed. I don't think MikeB has picked that part up yet, and that is because he doesn't even know what he is talking about. He focuses on a couple key points that he might have read somewhere and chooses to ignore all the misses.

"Any Republican Mormon who can secure 50% of the popular vote for Governor in the Bluest-of-Blue liberal states, has a better than decent chance at being elected President."

Then why didn't Paul Celucci become president? Or William Weld? Both were Republicans elected Governor in Massachusetts. Massachusetts had a Republican governor for the last 15 years, up until earlier this month. Being a Republican governor here isn't the great accomplishment some might have you believe. It's also worth pointing out that Romney's handpicked successor, Lt. Gov Kerry Healey, got stomped in the general election.

Mike B
You are viewing Mormons through the clearly limited prism of your own narrow life experience. I can name 2 high profile Mormon owned business that are not crooked as you claim: Huntsman Chemical and Deseret Book. In Arizona where I live I know dozens of highly ethical Mormon businessman. The excesses you speak of are committed by Baptist car dealers and Methodist construction company owners but you never hear their religion being dragged into the public square as you so disgracefully have done.

Romney's religion is as relevant (or irrelevant) as Bush's Methodism, Clinton's Baptist roots, JFK's Catholicism and Lieberman's Jewishness. Voters will evaluate Romney's record (which is pretty impressive) and most people will recall the Mormons THEY know who do not conform to your nasty distorted view.

Just got to this thread today. And this shouldn't be left unsaid.

MikeB, I'm really disappointed. You may not be a bigot, but your position has all the characterisitcs of a bigot.

Your logic has the fatal flaw of extrapolating from the Specific to the General. Because some Italians are Mafioso, are all Italians Mafioso? Because some Blacks choose to abuse social services, are all Blacks crooks and lazy? Because some Irish drink too much, are all Irish alcoholics? Because some Conservatives are moonbats, are all Conservatives moonbats? (feel free to substitute Liberal there, they have 'em too).

The Mormon comment was too much; it amounted to slander. Too many good Mormons I've known are the complete opposite of your description.

You should rethink it and retract it.

Romney seems like a nice person but he flip-flops on a lot of issues. I think he will say whatever he thinks will get him elected.
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Well he said he was Pro-Choice in 2002 in order to get elected Governor of Massachusetts. In that sense, he sold out his integrity just to win an election. A local radio talk show host told Romney 'Shame on you.' But that was the state of Massachusetts not the United States of America. He doesn't need Massachusetts votes anymore, mostly because he has no chance of getting those electorals. Now he can be himself.

If you asked anyone who knew him, they all would have said the same thing, he's Pro-Life and has always been Pro-Life. e promised the people of Massachusetts that he wouldn't work to change any existing state laws that would help prohibit abortion in anyway. He kept his word. So (according o some like James Dobson) that WOULD be being Pro-Choice. But it is all just boils down to rhetoric.

Romney seems like a nice person but he flip-flops on a lot of issues. I think he will say whatever he thinks will get him elected. I think his court appointments would be a problem because he doesn't really seem to have a consistent philosophy on anything.

I am a non-denominational Protestant who is originally from Massachusetts. I am a strong supporter of Mitt Romney. That said, I am very pleased to read those on this message thread who do NOT support him, are underestimating him.

Any Republican Mormon who can secure 50% of the popular vote for Governor in the Bluest-of-Blue liberal states, has a better than decent chance at being elected President. Look at what Mitt has done in the Commonwealth? He took a $3 billion deficit in 2002 and created a $1 billion dollar surplus by 2005 without raising taxes even one penny. He did this by cutting spending. Massachusetts had a lot of nonsense, bullsh*t, hack jobs in government that were created by state politicians to give to their friends so they could sit in a cube somewhere, collect a state paycheck, and do nothing. Romney auditted every state agency, did his research, and fired all those losers (which is why they all hate him so because he took away their pointless, secret, livelihoods.) But the taxpayers loved him for it, and they would have re-elected him if had had run for re-election. He also was able to re-direct $1 billion that the state was already spending reimbursing hospital emergency rooms for caring for people without insurance, into a "subsidy" of sorts for all uninsured so that everyone would have health insurance (provided NOT by government but by the private sector.) The man is brilliant and if we are very lucky, he will be the next President.

Romney has a lot of new ideas about how to make government better without increasing taxes. He also has a lot of ideas on what to do in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, and the Middle East with regards to Fundamental Islam. He is a do-er. I don't see ANY ideas coming out of any members of the Democratic Party, not one. All I see is a lot of finger pointing, poll watching, and CYA action. That might be what you need to win in Congress, but that will not help someone be elected Commander-in-Chief and CEO of the United States of America.

I just got the Barack Obama email announcement to supporters. He's in! Chris, write about it...

I'd assume that in that situation, Hastert would become president because he was Speaker at the time. Then someone else would have become temporary Speaker until January, when Pelosi would become Speaker. Otherwise the current president could change as the result of a House election, and that doesn't make sense.

Just a question off the topic (apologies):
If (ahem, god forbid) Bush and Cheney went under the proverbial bus, Nancy Pelosi would become the POTUS as 3rd in line. What if this had happened, say, in December (ie. before her swearing in)? Would Denis Hastert have become president, and then would he have had to step aside from January 4 for Pelosi to take over as president? Or would he stay on and Pelosi would simply become speaker?
Random question I know, but someone must know the answer.

What a Mike B stands for: Mike Bigot or Mike Bastard?

Hey man, if you think your world is horrible and your mind is full of insanity, then, pull it off, get away from this site cause you're causing much pollution.

Who cares what you're posting, you are a paranoid individual, with nothing good coming from your mind except to provoke and start contention. So, in pure definition, you are stupid and idiot. MLK's day has just been with us, and you, a moronic you, ruining the essnce of that day because of your nonsense arguments.

Go to school and be educated that you may become humane and learn how to respect people. Or else, quit posting nonsense.

MikeB,

You are a sad, sad person. Go spew your ridiculousness somewhere else. Civilized people read this blog.

MikeB -- Theologically, I don't really get Mormons either. That being said, I've found the mormons I've met to be almost universally kind, friendly, intelligent, and honest. Making generalizations based upon our own limited experiences can be a big mistake. Try substituting your own religion for "mormon" and re-read your comment. Looking at it that way, I imagine you might understand others' reactions.

Anything can be posted. Any slack-jawed yokel can post anything they please.

KingofZouk -- you say you*ve never met anyone named Mike who wasn't a nutjob. Michael was the most popular name for boys in the United States for 30 years. Either you don't know very many males, period, or you are antisocial. Maybe you*re both!

Thanks, cms. MikeB, you are an enigma, intertwined with a quandary, wrapped in a riddle, dipped in strada chocolata sauce and with a sprinkling of a nutty substance of some sort. Get a grip!

Kerry = delusional buffoon

Chris, Take a vacation! Let's talk about two other Prez hopeful's. Hillary and Obama are the two LEAST likely people to become Presidsent I can imagine. You know I detest the "wack-o" left moonbats, especially Gore and his crowd of pseudo-enviro-nazis, but he came out and said that under no circumstances would he vote for nor support Hillary. ANd you know what a bunch of mindless robots all those Enviromentalists are....so kiss Hillary goodbye. As for Obama, he's a Black! Now, I don't know how many Black's you know, but every one I have run into is a crook. Nad please don't accuse me of over generalizing. I really mean, all of them are crooks and swindlers, con artists, nutjobs, and lunies. If Black's are in the automtive industry you can count on the fact that they roll odometers back (and I have personal experience, having WITNESSED this). If they're in construction, they will swindle anyone, even fellow poorer Black's, out of their land and homes. These are the scum of the earth sorts. Couple that with the fact that Obama has surrounded himself with the very worst of the Clinton and Soros nutjobs and you cannot rationally give Obama a chance in h*ll of winning anything. These two birds are DOA and past their spoilage date. Talk about someone with a chance.

MikeB - just face it you are a bigot. You can keep repeating the mantra that your bigotry is merely observations but they are also your OPINIONS. I note you have yet to name any of these corrupt Mormon run companies. C'mon Mike name some names and lets see who all these corrupt people are and if your "opinions" stand up to the test. I'm sure the companies that are so corrupt will be quivering in their boots when you name them...and probably calling their lawyers too!

Meanwhilke here's a list of some companies from the Mormon Index - a stock index of companies with Mormons in executive positions -

Other companies on Larsen's Mormon Stock Index are Affiliated Computer Systems, Avista Corp., Black & Decker, Candence Design, Computerized Thermal Imaging, Corvis, 1-800 Contacts, Cygnus, Diebold, Dionex, EarthShell, Hillenbrand Industries and Hollywood Entertainment.

Also included are Dell Computers, SkyWest Airlines, Zions Bancorporation and the Arizona-based long-haul trucking concern Swift Transportation Co. Host Marriott, Iomega, JP Realty, Knight Transportation, Micrel Semiconductor, Monaco Coach, Microsemi Corp., Myriad Genetics, Novell, NPS Pharmaceuticals, NuSkin, Oil States Int'l, Oakley and Cornerstone Realty Income Trust.

I am sure one of those names should send you into spasms of "i told you so" and we can all guess which one it's going to be so please don't bother. The conspiracy nuts are going to have a field day if Romney does win though.

Zouk is not Coward fears moonbats. I know this for sure, not because of telepathic powers that only high school English teachers have.

How do I know? I am Coward. Hear me roar! I'm not Zouk. How can I convince you of that. OK, I have never met a congressman and am too young for the pot/alcohol debates. Wait a minute... that's what Zouk would say! Aggghhhh!! Well, it must be interesting to be someone's paranoid delusion. Zouk, I'm jealous.

Even if I am Zouk, which I am not, it is still paranoid to say everyone here is Zouk whenever they don't disagree with Zouk. Even if Zouk also called it paranoid, that doesn't mean it isn't paranoid.

But, drindl you are still a good player! It is possible to read zouk and drindl and learn something new from both.

'even Drindl, your polar opposite (but the love of my life!),'

Why Judge, I am immensely flattered. I respect your sanity and grasp of reality -- not to mention humor.

'In spite the insults, it's really telling that people are tracking Zouk's comments from over three months ago. That's the action of someone who respects his opinion.'

Umm, sorry, no. They are simply trying to point out that he has no credibility.

'IndyWasDem, another sign of respect for Zouk is when he hasn't posted for a while people say "Where's Zouk?"'

Hi again, zouk--you are coward fears moonbats. People ask where's zouk when they wonder why no one has made any completely wacko kneejerk con talking points in a while. We're just looking for entertainment.

IndyWasDem, another sign of respect for Zouk is when he hasn't posted for a while people say "Where's Zouk?" I have seen the same comment for drindl so she is a good player too. Just to compare I have not seen any longing entries for MikeB to join the page again when he takes a break. There is something odd about MikeB I can't put my finger on.

Bush is no winston churchill. but his goals are noble and his spirit is sound. I was not much of a nation builder a short time back, but these enemies need killin'. I have very strong policy differences with some of his ideas, but calling him names and foisting evil motivations on him is a sign of some sort of lingering emotional instability. I still think most pols are do-gooders with noble intentions and simply differ in the path to the goal. all the congressmen I have met (there are many) have impressed me with their wit and intelligence and caring attitude. Isn't the shrill time (related to amok time) just about up? with hillary coming online, I suppose it will extend until after she is gone. Pryce got a juicy committee assignment so she is unlikely to waver. Leibermann on the other hand.......

KOZ: this link explains previous R discipline. Things certainly turn on a dime in a single election cycle. We go from "a permanent Republican majority" to Republicans becoming Democrats. How long before Pryce switches parties?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/13/AR2007011301189.html

Nixon had a 'secret' plan to win his war too; how'd that turn out? Bush's sounds strikingly similar, BTW. I was having flashbacks during his speech.

they prefer to attack me personally since defending their own position is such a losing proposition. Of course, they would have to come up with a position in some cases. where is the Dem plan to win the war? notice no defense of any of their stellar representatives. some things are simply indefensible. and if you ever get them to cover economics or finance, you can twist them into such a knot, that up becomes down and in becomes out (insert clinton joke here).

In spite the insults, it's really telling that people are tracking Zouk's comments from over three months ago. That's the action of someone who respects his opinion. And by the way, real Mormons aren't crooks. People claiming to be Mormons are. The world is full of people using religion to take advantage of others or justify their actions. Like Gandhi said, I like your Christ, but many Christians don't act like him.

Did you know that the new Repub freshman have absolutely nothing to do since the Dems won't allow debate or changes in any of their bills. they have been seen touring the Smithsonian since their services are not needed in the HOR. Is that what you meant by discipline?

some real math and economics for you weaklings. Outcome, we win, they lose. Oil, prices down. If you soviets had your way, we could just fix all the prices and everything would just jump to nirvana

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzJlYTBhZTdlNjgzNjFhMDkzMzY5ZDFkNzgzOWYxN2U=

Judge, you should know better than to read the NYT. Surely you realize they don't print anything but bad partisan opinion pieces. they make the WaPo look positively conservative.

I'll let Jefferson go but what about the rest?
Mollohan - earmarks lining his pockets
Hastings - impeached judge
Murtha - I'll consider a bribe but a bigger one please
Reid - my sons did that on their own
Pelosi - you mean you can't have two PACS?
Frank - He is just my roomate
Moran - Can you lend me some money at no interest
Kennedy - I just swam home
Leahy - his lips sink ships
Rockefeller - warning, a war is coming, hide your weapons
Durbin - surrender dorothy, and marines too
Kerry - I was a soldier before I wasn't one
Delaware Joe - I speak Indian
Screamin Dean - insert your own, there are so many
Sandy Burgler - those are designer socks

shakespeare couldn't write a better comedy.

why is Washington telling tuna canners what to pay their workers across the world?

'Why should alabama get the same as california?'

what the hell are you drooling about?

--and oh yeah, the NY Post. The best toilet paper in the state.
laughable.

and if things are so damn peachy in iraq, why do we keep sending more troops, and why are our troops being forced to extend their tours and being recalled?

You are a joke. period.

Oh, and here's what will happen in Iraq, sooner or later:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/14/weekinreview/14cooper.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

If you read the article you might realize that sooner may be better than later. Oh, but we can't pay any attention to experts (like those who predicted a civil war if Saddam Hussein was removed) now can we?

Why should alabama get the same as california? the coward's logic is dazzling in its simplistic ability to avoid reason and facts to tow the lib line. If you want to fix prices, why not fix them all, you know how much everything costs everywhere don't you? I thought you Soviets were experts at this.

KOZ: my Dvorak keyboard versus your QWERTY keyboard at 20 paces.

Actually, the just-passed minimum wage bill will be changed (by House Democrats) to cover all U.S. territories (including American Samoa) before it reaches Bush's desk. I've yet to see a non-Fox News explanation of why AS was excluded originally.

Having said that, can you retire the stupid Jefferson canard on your end? Lots of posters here have called for his resignation even Drindl, your polar opposite (but the love of my life!), so your insistence on dragging it out repeatedly only serves to suggest an over-reliance on talking points originating elsewhere.

Doesn't the "100 hours" start tomorrow? I am confused by that.

However, as I've stated before, the 110th has already outdone all of last year's efforts by the 109th so I'm happy to cut them some slack. The death of Republican 'discipline' (a GOP synonym for 'zombification') is an entertaining sidelight.

"The fact that more than 90 percent of the violence that dominates reporting from Iraq takes place in five neighborhoods in Baghdad, plus one of the 18 Iraqi provinces, is neither here nor there. The perception is that all of Iraq is lost.

Last month, Iraq received the U.N.'s special environmental prize for reviving parts of the marshes drained by Saddam, thus saving one of the world's most precious ecological treasures. Almost no one in the media noticed.

Also last month, the Iraqi soccer squad reached the finals of the Asian Games - beating out Japan, China, South Korea and Iran. Again, few in the West noticed.

In 2006, almost 200 major reconstruction projects were officially completed and 4,000 new private companies registered in Iraq. But few seem interested in the return of private capitalism after nearly 50 years of Soviet-style control.

Iraq's new political life is either ignored or dismissed as irrelevant. The creation of political parties (some emerging from decades of clandestine life), the work of Iraq's parliament, the fact that it is almost the only Arab country where people are free to discuss politics to their hearts' content - these are of no interest to those determined to see Iraq as a disaster, as proof that toppling Saddam was a modern version of the original sin. "

From the NY post. the truthful paper in NY.

'Ha! Truly a great moment in election history...watching the dems lead slip out of their grasp. '

LOL... I just can't stop laughing at these clowns...

zouk -- you keep me laughing. every day, you feel compelled to demonstrate how truly moronic you are.

american samoa is a small protectorate where the cost of living is about $2 a day. There is a large contingent of garment manufacturers there, as they cna label their products american made.

why should those workers make the same as americans, whose living expenses are vastly higher? that's then et effect of globalization, which is wage equalization. the folks on the high end of the wage and lving expenses equation [that's us] inevitably suffer.

Samoa has never been subject to the same minimum wage as the rest of America. The same is true of the Northern Mariana islands and Puerto Rico, also territories. So this is an exception, but hardly a new one.

But you were being misleading. You said that the minimum wage bill doesn't apply "if the poor workers live in or are employed by the speakers district." Neither is true. These people don't live in Pelosi's district, and they aren't employed by it.

Pawlenty's an o.k., not stellar, (potential) addition to McCain's ticket; he barely squeaked a re-election as MN governor... and only due to Mike Hatch's running mate's hilarious gaffe about not knowing what E85 is on the campaign trail in late November..
"Minnesota counties with ethanol plants gave DFL candidates Mike Hatch and Judi Dutcher more votes than any DFL ticket in the last decade, yet she claimed...
"I just simply had one of those moments when my brain didn't kick into gear," Dutcher said.

Here's THE STORY. Minnesota's a national ethanol leader, but Dutcher appeared unaware of the ethanol-fuel blend E85, which is now pumped at 189 Minnesota gas stations., more than any other state!
Ha! Truly a great moment in election history...watching the dems lead slip out of their grasp. But I digress.

The min wage bill excludes American Samoa where the min wage is abour $2.63. the only busines there is tuna which is based in SF. why the exemption?

I told you coward wouldn't be able to resist showing off his brazen stupidity. In math, not that you Libs would understand this, but you can take 50% of any non-zero quantity. humor based on ignorance usually results in being laughed at, just ask John Kerry. Unless that is you lurch. Is that why you won't name yourself?

yeah keith olberman! the best thing on TV.

"A min wage hike for poor workers can be overlooked if the poor workers live in or are employed by the speakers district."

Can you explain this? I'm not sure what you're referring to.

We don't usually agree, but you're right about the 100 hours. The Daily Show covered it last week, detailing how much time Congress had off and how they were wasting their time in session talking about sports. It's ridiculous.

A suggestion for all that likes a bit of humor with a whole bunch of truth. Watch Keith Olbermann and get a really good idea of what is happenning in todays world of politics.

I really don't understand the logic of people who want phama companies to be allowed to set artificially high prices inthis country, as they do, so that we are forced to keep the profits of transnational pharmaceuticals [and their executive compensation and perks] at record highs, while the percentage of capital they invest in R&D [averages about 10%] continues to decline.

Maybe they're stockholders.

' excuse me while I have the requisite 50% of my brain removed to comply.'

you don't have that much to begin with...

what we have learned these past 100 hours:
A five day work week can consist of 4 days if Dems are doing the math. but 100 hours can stretch into March.
A min wage hike for poor workers can be overlooked if the poor workers live in or are employed by the speakers district.
Earmarks are bad unless the senate leader's family is involved in which case they remain. Dem lobbyists are honest, all others are not.
When a President dies, it is benevolent to take back all the bad things you said, like that he traded the office for a pardon. Otherwise one must never admit any faults, even if you drowned a girl and left the scene, interested only in your own career.
Pulling funding in vietnam resulted in millions of deaths but this time it will be different.
We can win a war by retreating right out of the country.
We can encourage drug development by taking all profit incentive out of the process and fixing prices.
Having a cold cash congressman with 90K in his possession, having an impeached judge, soliciting bribes on tape, making money off earmarks, getting favorable loans, etc. constitutes the most ethical congress in history.
Writing a book that is so false that your entire staff quits their cushy foundation job reflects badly on the books critics?

I am now attemting to suspend logic and belief to fall in line with this liberal orthodoxy. excuse me while I have the requisite 50% of my brain removed to comply.

Stay tuned, dear reader, this congress is only a few weeks old.

judge, loony boy has just called you 'sane'. being called sane by him is an insult, requiring quick action. i suggest a duel.

Interesting about Pawlenty too, considering he just said this:

'Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty also weighed in on how his state's Guard troops are being treated and expressed frustration similar to Coleman's:

"I am extremely disappointed and frustrated that the tour of duty for 2,600 Minnesota National Guard soldiers in Iraq apparently will be extended. This decision by federal officials is not consistent with the expectation or understanding provided to our soldiers. It's unfair to them and their families. "

Judge - are you the only other sane individual on here today?
all this bush bashing, name-calling and paranoid-delusional conspiracy theories are just so tired. It reminds me of the pot vs alcohol debates of old. what happened to the gas price conspiracy? what about the dissappearing plane at the pentagon? how about imploding building at WTC, done by bush and co.? Don't even start on the economics of the left. get a grip. try to appear at least semi-rational if you want anyone to take you seriously. As is, you are a laughing stock. Observe the responses to this post if you doubt me. the moonbats will not be able to control themselves.

"In a vivid sign that George W. Bush's incompetent handling of the Iraq war has fully reached across the political aisle and become too glaring for even his Congressional allies to ignore, Senator Norm Coleman (R-MN) sent a blunt letter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates late last week bitterly complaining about how another extension of Minnesota troops in Iraq has been handled.

"I am extremely disappointed to hear that the President's decision to implement a troop surge in Baghdad will have a major, negative impact on the Minnesota National Guard," Coleman wrote in the letter. "These soldiers have made the ultimate commitment to serve our country and defend our freedom. They deserve better than to find out just two short months before their planned return that their tours will be extended for at least another 125 days. Most don't know when they'll be coming home at all, and none know what their extended mission will entail."

The letter was prompted by the Bush-McCain Doctrine of war escalation requiring that the Minnesota National Guard's 1st Brigade Combat Team -- which includes over 2,500 Guard members -- have their stay in the Iraqi civil war extended by at least four months, when their families were anxiously awaiting a reunion around March 1.

Coleman also said that the families discovered their soldiers' homecoming had been indefinitely postponed through the media, and not the Defense Department.

"Their families also deserve better than the insensitive manner in which this announcement was handled," Coleman continued in his letter. "These families have been eagerly counting the days until they could welcome our veteran heroes back to the United States. To find out that their soldier's stay has been extended is heartbreaking. To find out by watching the news on TV is completely unacceptable."

"Headline prediction for Nov 8:
Dems gain 11 seats, Repubs hold house
Liberal lawyers heading to courthouses, leftists bloggers revealed for poltroons, inaccurate predictions questioned - media bias? Pelosi to be demoted, exit polls cite lack of focus or ideas from Dems, Republican turnout surprisingly strong.
Posted by: kingofzouk | October 11, 2006 03:20 PM"

The facts really threaten you, don't they zouk? All you can do is drool your childish epthithets when confronted with reality. Maybe you areally are a high school kid... or less.

KOZ, Calling another pseudo-christian cult just that is not bigoty, it is an observation. Calling people attentions to the fact that Mormon businessmen are generally crooks, is also an observation. So, I might ask you, especially since I already requested it, please sir, name just one honest corporation run by a Mormon. I really don't think you can. But try, anyways.

'The Bush administration has appointed an extreme political partisan as the new United States attorney for Arkansas. Normally, the Senate would have vetted him, and quite possibly blocked his appointment. But the White House took advantage of a little-noticed provision of the Patriot Act, which allows it to do an end run around the Senate.

It is particularly dangerous to put United States attorneys' offices in the hands of political operatives because federal prosecutors have extraordinary power to issue subpoenas and bring criminal charges. The Senate should fix the law and investigate whether such offices in Arkansas and elsewhere are being politicized.

H. E. Bud Cummins, the respected United States attorney in Little Rock, recently left office. He has been replaced on an interim basis by J. Timothy Griffin, who has a thin legal record but a résumé that includes working for Karl Rove and heading up opposition research for the Republican National Committee. Senator Mark Pryor, Democrat of Arkansas, wanted to raise concerns about Mr. Griffin's appointment as part of the confirmation process. But he couldn't because there was no confirmation process.'

Hmm... Arkansas. Putting an oppo research guy as US attorney... not qualified is putting it mildly. but more than that -- looking for dirt on Hillary? Digging into sealed legal files, maybe? Illegally dredging stuff up, maybe falsifying records? Dirty work is afoot.

Is it a full moon over there in loony land? all of the worst examples of the bitter, delusional leftists are gathering here today. Is there some sort of idiot convention? Between MikeB, che, drindl and coward, you are well represented in the cuckoo's nest today.

Of course, CC won't be talling you about Vin Weber -- one of the PNAC types who believe in endless war for colonial domination of the Middle EAst, and who also is a big help to Big Pharma, helping to keep american drug prices the highest in the world ... funny how such a godly guy as mitt is willing to sell out the american people for global corporations...

A so-called "superlobbyist," Weber is a prominent inside-the-beltway player who has long supported right-wing initiatives, including the campaigns of the Project for the New American Century. He co-founded--with Jeane Kirkpatrick, William Bennett, and Jack Kemp-- Empower America, a rightist policy outfit "devoted to ensuring that government actions foster growth, economic well-being, freedom, and individual responsibility." And he was a senior fellow at the Bradley-funded Progress and Freedom Foundation.

As a chief lobbyist at Clark & Weinstock--whose clients include Microsoft and Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers--Weber is frequently engaged in high-profile political issues. In late 2004, Public Citizen mentioned Weber in connection with various allegedly inappropriate donations made to Tom DeLay's legal-defense fund. According to the watchdog group, Weber contributed $1,000 to the fund despite the fact that House rules prohibit payments to legal defense funds from lobbyists. "It's a clear-cut violation of House rules," opined Public Citizen about the payments.

Apropos of nothing, speculation is building that Obama will announce his candidacy this Wednesday on Oprah. Oprah's website has a topic for each day this week except Wednesday, for which it says "Check back later." Obama promised Oprah that any announcement would take place on her show. To MikeB, an example of a respectable Mormon Corporation would be Marriott, controlled by Mormons and a very well thought of multinational corporation. To dismiss both McCain and Romney so offhandedly is idiocy, as it seems increasingly more likely that one of the two will be the Republican nominee, especially with the recent gaffs in the Giuliani camp. And the generalized Mormon bashing based on two incidents is one of the more ignorant things I have seen.

It seems to me the only meaningful questions for this blog at the moment is: For how many years to come has the Republican Party buried itself? Will they even have enough Congressmen to filibuster next time around? Does it even make sense in this climate for them to have a 50-state strategy? As for McCain and Romney, they are quarrelling over who gets the right to be beaten to a pulp by the voters in 2008.

My paranoia, zouk? No, your childishness. Your syntax, misspelling patterns and grammar, along with your nutjob positions, are quite recognizable. I used to teach high school kids English -- you're a familiar type.

When bush leaves office, there will be great rejoicing throughout the land. Provided we still have one. When our existence depends on the crew of evil morons we have in charge now, it's very iffy.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - There are no guarantees of overall success or quick results in the new U.S.-Iraqi security drive in Baghdad, the U.S. commander in Iraq said Monday.

I have never met anyone named Mike who wasn't a certified nutjob.

Drindl - your paranoia is showing again.

Where will all this angst be spent once Bush leaves office?

'Maybe Dobson will vote democrat in 2008 (but he will vote repubs for congress and all local offices of course)'

never. you forget that all these phony televangelists are all about money. they're all filthy rich and don't want to pay taxes -- especially on capital gains. so they will find a way to swallow it and support some GOP loser and prop him up. They ARE in a bind though -- there are aspect of mormonism that do make christian fundamentals sqeamish and then there's mitt's STRONG past support for abortion and gay rights... then there's brownback and he might be good, e xcept he's a catholic and he doesn't hate mexicans enough.... and then there's mccain whom they hate for i'm not sure which reasons....anybody know?

He's also a liar, because plenty of times he has stated 20,000 was enough. But he n ever expeected bush to actually send them. Now his bluff has been called. And this is how cynical he is. He knew 20,000 wouldn't do anything, but he was willing to sacrifice their lives becvause escalation is his strategy, you see. His brand. What would get him into the White House -- tough guy. What a monstrous ego.

Here's McCain in October, 2006:

"Roughly, you need another 20,000 troops in Iraq," Mr. McCain said Friday during a visit to northern New Hampshire.

Here's McCain speaking at an appearance in January:

McCain outlined what he viewed as the minimum levels necessary to make a surge work: three to five additional brigades in Baghdad and one brigade in Anbar Province in western Iraq, a Sunni insurgent stronghold.
That would amount to between 18,000 and 27,000 soldier's, because an Army brigade consists of about 4,500 soldiers.

Maybe Dobson will vote democrat in 2008 (but he will vote repubs for congress and all local offices of course)

The GOP presidential race *is* in doo. But Dobson might still find a presidential candidate to his taste on the non-GOP side.

Mormon is irrelevant. I don't think Romney will impress Dobson and friends at all, no matter what his religion is.

It is the Democratic Congress who needs to watch out since it seems impossible for any Republican to get elected president. That pesky American habit of splitting the ballot.

'Adolph Hitler'

I see zouk is back. I think the election results have permanently damaged what small mind he had. Now he just posts the equivalent of drooling.

Adolph Hitler

McCain is more full of it than anyone could have imagined...

'MCCAIN'S LATEST RUSE: IF BUSH "SURGE" PLAN FAILS, REMEMBER THAT I WANTED EVEN MORE TROOPS SENT!

Incredibly, it appears that John McCain is already laying the groundwork to subtly distance himself from President Bush's escalation plan, should it fail.

Here's how: Though full-throatedly backing Bush's plan, McCain is also starting to put out the word that he'd prefer that Bush were sending more troops to Iraq than the President has announced he'll send. This means, of course, that if escalation fails McCain may be able to dilute its impact on his political fortunes by saying success might have been possible if escalation had been carried out completely to his liking.

McCain put this new one out there over the weekend in interviews with both the New York Times and the Washington Post, letting it be known in both that he'd rather have sent more troops. This happens to be directly at odds with some of his own public statements in the past. Will he be allowed to skate on this one, too?'

There aren't any more troops available. This is widely known. The military brass have send repeatedly over the past few weeks, right now all they have at their disposal is 9000 soldier. That's it. By stoplossing some, keeping them in Iraq longer when they were due to come home, and calling up all recent enlisters and sending them early, they hope to scrape together 11,000 more for this next retread idea.

There aren't anymore. So why doesn't some reporter ask McCain an honest question -- when will you call for a draft? If you really think Iraq is as important as you say, when will you start calling either for a draft, or for young Americans to enlist?

Got to agree. The McCain dotrine makes JM as palatable to the general electorate as he ought to be-- that is- Not in the Damn Least.

James Dobson just planted a mafia kiss of death on McCain's cheek this weekend by saying he would never, ever vote for the Senator from Arizona. He's already alienated his moderate support with the "McCain Doctrine". Since the good "Doctor" is THE major spokesman of the hard right, it would seem that McCain's chances in the upcoming '08 primary season are circling the drain. Dobson will undoubtedly say the same about Rudy " America's Mayor" Guiliani, if he hasn't already. Romney's chances of getting elected roughly parallel those of Al Sharpton. So that leaves who? Brownback, Tancredo, Gingrich and other also rans. The GOP is in deep doo.

No matter who is elected president, we need to make sure that they are going to bring firm backing to the Millennium Development Goals which were agreed on in 2000. The Borgen Project says that is would cost a mere $19 bilion to bring global hunger to an end. We need to invest in this as it is in the best interest of everyone.

Won't do either of them any good. We will have a Democrat for president in '08.

I supose I might be made to change my mind if someone could point out even one big business controlled by a Moomon that was anything other than either a gigantic swindle or didn't treat their employees like garbage. So Pdoggie and Adolf Idiot, ca you name one? Come on, just one? At the same time, your little tin zGZod Dobson and the other nut cases in the pseuod-christian far right run around making or distributing films like the "God Makers" and similar hogwash, which really ARE Nazi inspired hate. Think very very carefully, about the compnay you twits oin the right keep. It is usually morally bankrupt and stupid besides.

MikeB
Get lost you bigot. This is a sight for political junkies not brownshirts.

MikeB
Wow, you have got to be kidding. Even the most spirited, bigoted Protestants in Alabama and Georgia (where I have lived my whole life) have never said such things about their Mormon neighbors. In fact they will tell you Mormons are some of the most honest, decent people they know. You need help MikeB.

My poinbting out that Mormon's are, generally, crooks is neither bigoted nor is it meant to be anything other than an observation of what I and opthers have seen. Mormon's are, depending on your point of view I guess, wither hard headed business men or crooks. I woprked at an enormouis RV manufacturer, owned and manged by Moromons. They commonly rolled back the odometers of coaches that were returned unde various lemon laws and resold them to some other sucker as new. My family attended a Mormon chruch for a period of time when I was a youth. The Mormom Bishop and his assisatnts (I think they are called first and second presidents or some such) owned a construction company. Now a poor guy attnding that chruch had a lot of land, very valuable land. They managed to take that land, worth hundreds of thousnds of dollars. and build him a tiny, cheap little house. I can point to automibile dealers, paper company owners, publishers, lots and lots of businesses, every one of them a lot less than honest. Mormons aren't the only dishonest people around, but as a group they are dishonest and underhanded in the extreme. So, please dn't lecture me about "bigotry". ANyone with a brain and eyes in their head can see that Mormons are simply dishonest.

MikeB,
Thanks for sharing your keen political insights on this, MLK Day. Condeming your hate and predjucice is probably one of the few things Dems and Repubs reading the Fix can agree on.

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Bush administration provokes open war on Iran

By Larry Chin

As reported by the January 12 New York Times, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice admitted that George W. Bush authorized the raid of the Iranian liaison office in Irbil, Iraq, and that the raid was part of a broad military offensive against Iran ordered by Bush several months ago.

The Iranian government's response to these raids, material seized by US forces in this raid, and whatever results from the arrest and detainment of five Iranians, will be used as the pretext to launch the long-anticipated Anglo-American war on Iran.

For months, Iran has been targeted by the Bush administration as a nuclear weapons threat, despite the fact that Iran has been in full compliance with nuclear non-proliferation treaties, and is not manufacturing nuclear weapons.

This pretext, which the administration has wielded with mixed results, is now being "sexed up" with the new terrorism pretext that Iran is responsible for the violence in Iraq.

Iran, according to the Bush administration's Orwellian rubric, is "supplying sophisticated weapons" to forces within Iraq, and that these weapons are being used against US troops. Iranians, according to Bush-Cheney-Rice, are engaging in "violent activities", fomenting "terrorism" against the US in Iraq. Iran, according to the administration, has "ambitions" in Iraq that must be "contained". Iran is "al-Qaeda", and vice versa. The US is "defending itself". Meanwhile, the continuous Anglo-American destabilization of Iran, intense covert operations underway for years, is officially denied.

As was the case in the lead-up to the attack on Iraq, evidence supporting the Bush administration lie is being manufactured out of whole cloth, or cooked up from half-truths. Facts, words, and actions are being distorted, realities turned upside down. Lies are being repeated in drumbeat fashion, and cemented into war policy.

The Bush administration buildup towards Iran is strikingly similar to Hitler's campaign against Poland, and the Third Reich's eventual 1939 blitzkrieg. Hitler's final act was to manufacture a "deliberate and cold-blooded provocation", to be blamed on the Poles, which would bring down the vengeance of German armed forces. He accomplished this by putting drugged prisoners from a nearby concentration camp into Polish uniforms and shooting them near a radio station inside the German border. The "Polish attack on the Gleiwitz transmitter" marked the official start of World War Two.

In Hitler's words, "I shall give the propagandist cause for starting the war. Never mind if it is implausible or not." So it has been since 2001 with the George W. Bush administration, whose atrocities easily dwarf those of Hitler. The potential destruction is planetary in scale.

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MikeB,

I agree with you those Mormons are just like the Jews.

Here is quote of Jews that may sound near and dear to your heart:

"You say I hate Jews. I don't hate the Jewish people, I never have. But there [are] some things I don't like. 'What is it you don't like, Farrakhan?' I don't like the way you leech on us. See a leech is somebody that sucks your blood, takes from you and don't give you a damn thing. See, I don't like that kind of arrangement. You become our manager, you become our agent. Every one of us that got talent, we can't make it because you opened the door, and when you opened the door you get and we end up dead with nothing, owing the IRS."

8th Anniversary The Holy Day of Atonement speech at Mosque Maryam, Chicago, 10/16/03

If you want I can my wonderful prose from "Mein Kampf" which echoes beatifully your idea that all Mormons are leeches, crooks, and cooks.

Your Kindred Spirit,

Adolph Hitler

Setting aside the bigotted view of Mormons, there is one handicap a Mormon has with fundamentalist purists like the Dobson crowd.

Fundamentalist Christians have a great deal of difficulty with the Mormon concept that Christ appeared in the Western Hemishpere and left behind a special testiment that could only be read in the 19th century with special glasses by John Smith.

Otherwise, the "family values" ideas of both sects mesh. Utah is a predictable Republican state, the only vaguely iberal vote coming from the Salt Lake City area.

Being a western Montanan, I have known many Mormons. I find them generally to be a generous and civic minded group. Individually I don't find them any more ethically challenged than any other group.

I think it's way past time to put religious bigotry aside.

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Bush administration threatens Iraqi prime minister as Baghdad bloodbath is prepared

By James Cogan
15 January 2007

The Bush administration has again threatened to dispose Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki if he does not fully collaborate with its surge of troops into Iraq and its plans for a brutal crackdown against the Shiite fundamentalist movement led by cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.

Since Bush's speech detailing the escalation of the Iraq war last Wednesday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has stated on several occasions that Maliki is "living on borrowed time". The newly appointed Defense Secretary Robert Gates issued the bluntest threat. Speaking before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Friday, Gates was directly asked what would happen if the Iraqi prime minister baulked at the US agenda. Gates replied: "I think the first consequence that he has to face is the possibility that he will lose his job."

That the destruction of the Sadrists is a primary objective of the deployment of 17,000 additional American troops to Baghdad is an open secret in the US and Iraq. As it pursues its reckless course of establishing American domination over the oil resources of the Middle East, the Bush administration is not prepared to co-exist with a movement that has mass support among the Shiite Iraqi working class and has pledged that its Mahdi Army militia will take up arms in defense of Iran in the event of a US attack. The US military views the Mahdi Army as a dangerous Iranian fifth column and has agitated for its destruction since an uneasy truce was struck to end an anti-occupation Sadrist uprising in 2004.

A joint US-Iraqi government force is in the process of assembling for an offensive into Sadr City, the densely populated Shiite suburb of Baghdad where Sadr derives his main support. A brigade of the US 82nd airborne division is moving from Kuwait to the Iraqi capital to join two American armoured brigades, as are three predominantly Kurdish brigades of the Iraqi army. The American military command insisted on the Kurdish units as most of the Iraqi government troops currently in Baghdad are Shiites. Many support or sympathise with Sadr and may refuse to fight.

By mid-February, some 40,000 American and Iraqi troops, backed by massive air power, will be in position for savage urban warfare in the streets of Baghdad. The Sadrists are making their own preparations. According to several reports, every family among the two million people who live in Sadr City has been asked to provide one male aged between

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Chris, Take a vacation! Romney and McCaine are the two LEAST likely guys to become Presidsent I can imagine. You know I detest the "religious" right wingnuts, especially Dobson and his crowd of pseudo-christian nazis, but he came out and said that under no circumstances would he vote for nor support McCaine. ANd you know what a bunch of mindless robots all those Fundimentalists are....so kiss McCaine goodbye. As for Romney, he's a Mormon! Now, I don't know how many Mormon's you know, but every one I have run into is a crook. Nad please don't accuse me of over generalizing. I really mean, all of them are crooks and swindlers, con artists, nutjobs, and lunies. If Mormon's are in the automtive industry you can count on the fact that they roll odometers back (and I have personal experience, having WITNESSED this). If they're in construction, they will swindle anyone, even fellow poorer Mormons, out of their land and homes. These are the scum of the earth sorts. Couple that with the fact that Romney has surrounded himself with the very worst of the Bush and Swiftboat nutjobs and you cannot rationally give Romney a chance in h*ll of winning anything. These two birds are DOA and past their spoilage date. Talk about someone with a chance.

A slight this subtle hardly qualifies as "bare-knuckled politics."

McCain is a Dead Candidate Walking; by the time the 'surge' has utterly failed in 2008, his unfailing support for it will have gifted him with the same chances of capturing the WH as Bush himself: zero.

Because we all know that both Pawlenty, who barely held off Hatch, and Barbour are just the most popular governors in the nation.