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Also, to roo's point. Is is not a war. Vietnam was classified a "police action". This "war" is nothing but an attempt at facsism as the above posts state. I'm not cool with that. The Germans could have stopped Hitler before he started. Luckily, we had the internet in 07'. The next election will be a test for the american people. We can continue the america we have been building the last 200 years. Or we can become a facsist empirical country. Remember France is not the enemy. Without france there would be no america. France is our SISTER NATION. France is the country who gave us teh statue of liberty. They are not the enemy as the Bill O'Reilly's of the world would have you believe.
I hope the lies and propoganda the right is spewing is seen for what it is. ONE WORLD ONE PEOPLE

You are the man roo. The war on terror is against the american people. It is a war against us. For people to defend it, is beyond comprehension for me. If they put you in a clear plastic box for 10 years, would you defend that? You will be safe. I don't get it. I don't get how anyone would defend people that would get their own countrymen killed to line the riches pockets. I thought once everybody knew fox/rush/o'reilly/hannity were lying it would be over. The lies and propoganda would stop and we could re-build the coutry. Truth is a big piece of that puzzle. I have to assume the worst about people who know the right is propogating yet still support it. Nothing else makes sense to me.

slt--"I used two presidents from two different parties in two different time periods to make my point that when a nation is under war aspects of our civil liberties are typically compromised."

Yes, and what you seem to not understand is that it was wrong then and it is wrong now.

If you want to look to the past you will notice that these wars are limited in scope. That, alone, is a huge difference. Currently the U.S. is not in war. It has not BEEN in war. We are just in the state of perpetual emergency in an unending 'war' against a loosely defined enemy. And, of course, we need Emergency Powers (if not quite Martial Powers) during this period which may last until the end of time (you really think terrorism can be 'won'?)

The old "I know you are but what am I" defense. What is a lie? Your not disproving anything I say. You are simply trying to rationize bad behavior by saying it was done in the past. Murders have been happening in the past also. Does that mean a murder can point to the past and get away with his actions. Your arguement /along with the arguements of rush/hannity/o'reilly/coulter/savage/drudge are the stuff of middle school. Anyone can do that. Anyone can defend a theif by saying someone stole before. But I am the one who is ignorant. You should watch real news. It would be a shock to find out what's really goin gon in the news.

Rufus,

You remind me of the people who knew Clinton was getting away with something its only that they couldn't prove what he was getting away with. Nothing in this world will change your mind so why should I waste my time. You have presented zero facts only conspiracy theories. I suggest you buy "Fahrenheit 911" it fits your profile.

STOP Defending the administration and start defenting your country. I mean

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/video_popups/pop_vid_btw1-1.html

And what of my previous post? As I'm sure you know the war on terror is and internal war. It was designed from the start to be a war against teh american people. Look at the big picture. Why can't we get any straight answers if they are not lying? Why are aides pleading the fifth rather than testifying? Where is all the evidence? Was it delete? Did it ever exist? We can no long just accept any answers. We need the truth. Watch this documentary on pbs. It talks about the misrepresentation by the media and the administration to intentionally mislead us. Why would they do thaat? To do the right thing? It's about about money to the few. They sold our country out for money. It's time for the right to start defending THEM and START DEFENDING OUR COUNTRY.

Rufus,

Where do I start with your post, but to say you don't get it. A little history lesson for you Lincoln was a R not a D. I used two presidents from two different parties in two different time periods to make my point that when a nation is under war aspects of our civil liberties are typically compromised. I used two presidents that no one would question their patriotism. If this country were to suffer another 9/11 type of attack people would be asking why you didn't do more to stop them, not what about my civil liberties. Don't get me wrong, I believe it is right to question when our civil liberties are under attacked, but to raise the fascist card is to be intellectually dishonest and fear mongering at best. Sounds like you might make a great fascist.

Ok. SLT. SO more, "It was done in 1930, so it's ok." When does it stop? Should murderers not be charged in this country because billy the kid killed more people than he/she? I don't understand this arguement at all. The year is 2007. We have the internet now. In the past, you could make false claims to one small group that would never get back to you. You could tell one group one thing and another another thing. That WAS politics. Was that right? Obviously it was wrong then and wrong now. Using that argument of , "the dems did this in 1800" is done. You cannot use that anymore. Now America holds their elected officails to A standard. This is not a game. People's lives are at stake. Maybe not yours or the rich, but people's lives are at stack. It's time to hold all our politicals responsible for bith THEM WORDS AND THEIR ACTIONS. Those of you who try and defend Bush by using past misdeeds makes you look like a lawyer. No disrespect. I have been seeing this since I started bloging. I ask if something is ok. I get "Well back in 1754 blah blah blah" This is the future. Why are you people so reluctant to hold this administration accountable. We can justify bad behavior forever. Someone always did something worse. That doesn't mean they should be held accountable

Rufus and Roo,

The classical argument that Wolfe offers is the slippery slope argument, which can always be made for just about everything imaginable (i.e. stem cell research equals holocaust). I am not staying everything this administration has done is correct only the analysis of Wolfe is full of smoke and mirrors especially with her linkages. Why compare Nazi Germany to present day US other than to invoke images of a "terrifying internal and external enemy." Why did she not compare 1940 America with present day? Let see we were attached and certain people lost their civil liberties in fact one of the first casualty of every war is our civil liberties. Let see did Lincoln violate parts of the constitution in order to save the Union...why yes he did. This is nothing new its part of our history as a nation. I am not saying losing our civil liberties is a good thing only that it does not equate to a "fascist" state. Many of the civil liberties we have lost after 9/11 have already been lost in many Western European nations long before 9/11 yet we never invoke fascist's scares.

Imagine this, the president knows the Supreme Court will vote many of his ideas as unconstitutional what should he do. Well if he is FDR he simply adds more justices to the Supreme Court so that his political agenda is not voted unconstitutional. Imagine if Bush tried that what do you think Wolfe would say then. However, if I remember correctly, both Lincoln and FDR have been recognized as great presidents. Mind you I am not saying Bush II will be regards as a great president (I doubt even a mediocre) only what he has done does not even rise to levels of what other presidents have done none of which have been called fascist.

first of all, it's already an issue and every day it becomes more of one. in fact, it is reaching ABSURD proportions. if it were not so injurious to the amazing country we all love everyone would just withdraw into their "normal" routines. if the (R)'s had just won just 1 more seat this would not be happening.

the msm might have influence as well, who knows?

one way or another, jack is not done talking, nor have we heard from the latest string of guilty pleas.

corruption just a mantra? "ummm" as dana would say.

That's the whole thing roo. What if the Germans stood up and said," NO, you will not or cannot do this." That was the 07' election. We could have went down teh road. America choose truth that day.

slt--You underappreciate the nonidentical parallels.

No-one is saying that the U.S. is exactly equivalent to Nazi Germany. No-one is saying that the U.S. will ever start systematically liquidating muslims. It took a good decade for the entire process to fester to attacking Poland (though 1933 is generally the 'official' start time.)

The point of the article is to say "what if the Germans had woken up in the early thirties and declined to allow some of the key maneuvers that led to the later atrocities?"

Particularly in the historical context of U.S. internal liberties, recent developments are eerily similar to the several well-studied fascist regimes' rises to power. It does not have to be Bush (who is, however, trying to set some very dangerous precedents.) Remember that any administration hereafter would have the same powers.

Even if the worst-case scenarios do not become reality, there is still plenty that can happen. Imagine, for example, a justice department completely filled with sycophants who will (discreetly) base their decisions on party affiliations. We are not there yet but the recent developments show a clear tendency that way that, unchecked, would have been very dangerous.

Let me be clear. I'm not sayin gAMERICA is a facist nation. I'm saying the conservative movement is full of facist. If they didn't lose the last elction they would have got bolder and been able to implement their plan. They lied and lied and lied. They used misdirection. They told you what you wanted to hear, so they could DO what thye whated to do. No, AMerica is not a facist nation AND WILL NEVER BE. Bush lost.

What proof do YOU have to make these assurtions as fact slt. Is it that George Bush told you it was true. If you don't know, in the leadup to the war there was a lot of misinformation. All of wht you said above is not fact, other than us getting attacking on 9/11. I will say this. Most of the bombers were saudi's, bin laden is a saudi, the bush's have been VERY good freinds with the saudi's over the years. Before and after 9/11. Don't come to me and say I'm igrnoant. This admin has proven repaetdly they are not telling the truth. To say this "is" because your president told you so is willful ignorance

Good night! I hate you all!

I totally agree with Nor'Eastern comments with corruption affecting the R more than D, but as they say power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think the D suffered similar fate when they controlled things years back. However, now the corruption ball falls in the R court and its up to them to clean house if not the American people will do it for them.

Rufus,

Your post on our fascist state is utter nonsense. The article is not hard hitting journalism rather a hack job by a partisan writer (Naomi Wolfe).

Her first two points show how contemptible is her logic. The first point "Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy." She tries and say that as Germany invoked the red scare "communism" as its internal and external enemy eventually using it to stage an arson to grab control of power we are in the same danger. What she fails to understand is that Islamic terrorist did successfully attack this country and killed more than 3,000 people. Neither Russia (under communist rule at the time) nor the communist party within Germany was likely to take power. Islamic terrorist on the other hand have not only attacked us but several other countries as well. Her only argument is that people in Spain did not react similar to us. Two things: 1)Spaniards did not see planes flying into Madrid and taking out large buildings and 2)Spain pulled out of the collation which was the desired actions of the terrorist.

Her second point: "Create a Gulag." Those individuals detained at Guantánamo and other facilities are hardly people of political opposition to R rule. They were mostly pulled from the battle fields of Afghanistan and Iraq. While I will agree that prisoners have been abused by both our CIA and military, it was not for the political purposes that those individuals were detained as was often the case in the Gulags. Make no mistake we are at war; however, Al Qaeda detainees do not have a nation to call home. While I wish we would treat those detained as POWs, I really do not know how we should legally treat them since they do not fall under a direct category of POW. What is your suggestion as to what best to do with detainees capture in the theater of war? Should we release and tell them not to do it again? I am wondering are you saying that all those detained are actually card carrying D in opposition to R since people of political opposition were often thrown into the Gulag. I am wondering did you actually read the article.

Your post on our fasit state is utter nonsense. The artile is not hard hitting journalism rather a hack job by a partisan writer (Namoi Wolfe).

Her first two points show how contempable is her logic. The first point "Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy." She tries and say tha

I do not see mentioned the name of the senior senator from California. What of Ms Feinstein and her largesse with public funds toward her husband's companies?

I will address this for all. The vote having been cast, there are no do-overs and you can play it any way you wish. I have read what was voted on and I stick with my thoughts about it. Those opposed to Hillary have been playing this "Big Time" and trying to cast her as something she is not. Being at the top in polling, she has, of course, been the prime target. A new poll NBC/WSJ show GW with a 27% favor. So much for polls.

with that said, of course he should be held accountable. Will the right say that about bush/gonzales/rove/dolittle/delay and so on and so forth

The differance is, with all due respect. How does the LA 90,000 effect you. It doesn't unless your inthat district. The administration and the previous senate and house constituted a corruption conspirisy that infected teh wholde right side of the govt. How does the one jefferson incident effect the grand sceme of things

Getting back to the original topic, corruption will count a lot.

It won't be the spitting contest type above about irrelevant examples from the past (I'm amazed that Zouk left out Rostenkowski).

It's beginning to become apparent to me the magnititude of political hacks in appointed public trust positions playing politics while in those positions, or Congressmen who don't understand the concept of "Conflict of Interest," is far greater in this Administration than I imaginged.

The dribs and drabs of one story after another take their toll on the voting public. The only way the voters feel that they have any control is in "throwing the bums out!"

The Deomcrats have Rep. Jefferson, the Republicans have a lot of appointees who are potential embarrassments.

The lurking cloud of Karl Rove's e-mails ever becoming public has me wondering if they will show politics was being played far down within Federal agencies. If yes, you can almost write-off the Republicans in 2008. If not, they stand a chance.

At this point corruption still counts and is taking a rising toll. Advantage: Democrats.

JD--"Your argument, as best I can figure it, is that because private industry has *some* corruption, that all industry and GDP should go to government. In other words, move production from places accountable to the market, to places where there is no accountability."

No. YOUR argument-by-proxy is that money yields corruption (and I agree with this part.)

Then you posit that taking all the money to the private sector would somehow solve the problem of corruption instead of simply increasing it in the private sector.

Then you fail to appreciate it that there would be no controlling entity to regulate the private sector which would make the problem worse.

Do you see the fallacy in the argument Will and you made?

Learn the history of the subject your trying to have a discussion about, then you can direct your hate at me JD. At least know the subject if you are going to dispute, otherwise you look like an idiot with no credibility.

lylepink: I'm looking at it objectively. I put any of the members of Congress who voted that way in the same categories.

There is a sub-category of incredibly naieve, which is the politicians who in their cold political calculations (they all have to do that) thought that they could get away with a vote "for" and then be "against" later.

Senator Clinton is a victim of Colin Powell's Pottery Barn Rule, she's paying for how she voted. She happens to be the most visible; and she is running for President, so it's very germane.

Some members of Congress have been forthright and admitted that they believe that they made a mistake.

I don't presume to expect any apologies, but you can't have it both ways. If you voted for the authorization to use force and you now oppose what we are doing, somewhere along the line you made a mistake. Either an honest mistake or a mistake in political judgment.

You're just rationalizing for her and the others who still take that position. It was either that honest mistake, or they took a gamble and lost.

I was like them. I used to not care about politics. All I cared about was me me me and money was my only goal. I joined the infantry, and soon realized the big lie. It was constant attacks by Bill O and Hannity that brought me in. The right started this war against the american people. I'm just trying to show the ignorant what time it is. I figured once people realized they were getting lied to Fox would be off the air.

I think roo and ruf have decided that their message makes no sense, so they figure they may as well go to the extreme fringe.

Your argument, as best I can figure it, is that because private industry has *some* corruption, that all industry and GDP should go to government. In other words, move production from places accountable to the market, to places where there is no accountability.

Fortunately for you such a system exists, and communism doesn't work out too well, they lost, we won, guess you didn't get the memo.

You guys don't even realize the damage you do to the left's credibility I bet. Right now, the other liberals on this board are laughing at you.

I just have to show one of them. If I can convert one to the light side, my day was a success :). Truth to combat lies. Love to comabt hate. Tolerance to combat intolerance. And so on and so forth. You know yin and yang :)

But if enough people say the same thing, that doesn't make it true? I thought republican unity in talking points made their statements true? OOO. You mean I'm gettng lied to? By my own government for high oil and stock prices? OOOOOO

rufus, give up. they are like zombies. they cannot hear you... they cannot think. they can only do what they are told by their masters -- parrot the same weak, treasonous lies and propaganda ad infinitum.

i love the 'concerned dem' fake posts. there's a word for you--'concern troll' -- you are laughable, republican.

You have got to be kidding me. Check out this pure-propaganda pronouncement, from the Pentagon's official news organ, the "American Forces Press Service": Extended overseas deployments affecting soldiers serving in Afghanistan and other locales overseen by U.S. Central Command should help to alleviate the stress on the Army, a senior U.S. officer in Afghanistan told Pentagon reporters today. Yeah, yeah. Water is dry, ice is warm, and up is down, too.

I keep saying the same inane things and no one is breaking out in Kumbaya. what is wrong here. the only possible way you could disagree with me is if you are the ghost of hitler. stop using all those different names, you are confusing me.

ooooohhhh. OOOhhhh roooo. Ouch. You feel my pain here roo? It is like speaking to a frog. It's just not getting through. To much doublethink clouded rational conversation

And, JD, if you do not A) remember or B) have read what Reagan did I posit that you have absolutely no right to call someone juvenile or tell them to go class or their mommy (which are, ironically, good examples of infantile insults.)

Insulting Evil Liberals on blogs, $35.00/h from RNC.
Not bothering to examine sources, $35.00/h from RNC.
Loss of credibility, priceless.

Thank you for making my points for me kingofzouk. Any independant thinker can look at this blog and tell for themselves what is true and what is baseless attacks on the messengers. This is why it's over for you and yoru movement. That's why the conservative movement is only alive and well in The admin/Rush/Newt/hannity's brain. That's why you need them. It's so insane YOU can't even comprehend the plan your following. Sad. All I have to do is save one person a day. I don't care about people who sellout their country for money. Those kind of people only care about money, How do you make a man/woman that only cares about money happy? Money is nothing but paper. Wake-up. ONE PEOPLE ONE WORLD

JD--"If you want to reduce corruption in government, take away the power to be corrupt. I forget who said it, might have been George Will, but the quote goes something like "If you want to eliminate the money in politics, then take the politics out of money"."

Yep, awesome idea too.

Then all the corruption will be in the private sector. With no-one to intervene since the libertarians (who are really just anarchists with a mommy to protect them) will only have the armed forces on government payroll.

Hillary: I didn't vote for war but I won't apologize for it either because I want to be the one who is electable. Even if it costs me the primary, I will not admit a mistake I didn't make. are you following this? Besides when jesus was on the cross, he said the same thing. And I am just like him and MLK too. and Ghandi and rosa parks rolled into one.

Rush/Coulter/Hannity/O'Reilly/Savage/Drudge are done. They will be off the air soon.

delusional - the only major failure of media is Air america - the famous liberal talk radio that suffered from lack of ideas, was devoid of any humor and had no one willing to listen to the nonsense. Without the press forcing the lies down your throat - as the NYT does and is also failing fast- you Libs have no listeners. fox tops the ratings. NBC sucks hind tit. cnn is in the basement. Compare the bias and analyze.

dufas, you have not said one thing today that makes any sense at all. to find a guardain article by a 60s bomb thrower which states the US is heading for facism, indicates your rational process is in question. what do you know about facism? that americans died to stop it? That the 60s Libs allowed it for Pol Pot? that reagan defeated its little brother with a masculine foreign policy after the failure of the effete Carter? throwing around facism and nazi waters down the terms and makes your point of view a sham. this blog is case in point of a thriving democracy with intact rights. Which of your rights have been violated? Name one? and the harm it caused.

chirp, chirp

I can foretell your response.

lylepink says: "FACTS, Man FACTS, would give you a better arguement of which you have none."

and , "The key word is "MAY" in that statement."

Here's the quote again from Senator Clinton: "This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction. "

LYLEPINK: you are so brain-addled. Let's go over this again real slow so you can get it.

The key word is not "may", the key word is "cast".

At least Hillary is clear about what she did, even if you aren't. Those are the facts.

Why are you trying to sugar-coat it anyway? Afraid of being too far right for the primaries?

I thought Hillary was a hawk?

still have Bush and Cheney. And Rice and CHeney- is that two cheneys?

No credible allegations and no suggestion of any. Just partisan sniping. Compare to actual crimes listed above. voting for war and then changing your mind is not a crime by Bush, it is a show of self-serving manipulation of facts.

"The Democraic Party has had some scandles and some dirty people in its time" - its time seems to be NOW.

Nor'Easter: I again will remind you to read what was said. No one is a mind reader, so you can get rid of that. Hillary is not stupid by any means, nor is she naieve. Maybe you have got caught in the relentess attacks against her, that have little to do with actual FACTS.

Why bother dem. These people are Nazi's. They don't can about truth or debating. I'll leave you to your talking points. You time is up. The conservative movement is done for at least ten years. Razor is hurt by that. He still living in a pre-nov 06' world where rpopoganda and lies were reported as truth. I got something for ya THAT WILL MAKE YOUR TOES CURL, BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE.

Rush/Coulter/Hannity/O'Reilly/Savage/Drudge are done. They will be off the air soon. How will you cope? It is high time to start looking at facts and thinking for yourself.

Good luck and God bless

the loss of monopoly power over the press, which handed the last election to the Libs, is a very real threat to their power. It is only if they can somehow discredit Fox and the other truthful media that they stand to regain their press advantage for next time. why do you think clinton went on fox to be asked real questions for once?

Lenin and Trotsky took over the radio stations first and then the newspapers. they spent a load of effort on movies and other media. Nothing has changed. If they can't beat us fair and square in the realm of ideas, they will try to outlaw the marketplace. Look out for the fariness doctrine and McCain Feingold. they will shut you up.

but you Dem voters, don't look in on fox, you may learn something that would put you off your strict diet of ignorance and lies. and then you may actually make an educated vote and put an R in congress.

'The 10 steps of facism make Gilligan's Island a facist state.'

uhh, that was a TV show. guess you folks don't know the difference.

The 10 steps of facism make Gilligan's Island a facist state.

on topic - "... Rs resign..." But I notice we still have Bush and Cheney. And Rice and CHeney, and all of those Bush Pioneers. The Democraic Party has had some scandles and some dirty people in its time, but nothing like the criminal organization that the Republican Party has become. Aren't you the least bit embarrassed?

how to start a fascist state

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy

2. Create a gulag

3. Develop a thug cast

4. Set up an internal surveillance system

5. Harass citizens' groups

6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release

7. Target key individuals

8. Control the press

9. Dissent equals treason

10. Suspend the rule of law

MikeB, you seem to have attibuted views to me that I did not espouse - again. Where are you getting this from? Are you making certain assumptions about my beliefs based on your own stereotypes? It would seem so.

Check out the headlines on CNN's politics page:

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/

Check out the headlines on Fox New's politics page:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/index.html

Pretty much the same stuff.

Where do all of these moonbats get this Fox News conspiracy garbage from?

Look at the ACTUAL news stories. Tell me where the bias is.

chirp chirp

can we change the subject?

the topic for today was corruption, let's review:
Pelosi - had two PACS, operated own foreign policy with Syria
Reid - crooked land deal to line his and sons pockets
Frank - fixed tickets for lover who ran brothel from home
Kennedy - the pill popping one, almost ran over a cop, went to rehab, all is forgiven
Fat Kennedy - killed a girl, thrown out of school for cheating, lost marriage for cheating, all is forgiven
Moran - solicited cushy home loan from friend while voting on friend's issues
Jefferson - found with $10K in freezer, retains committee assignment
Hastings - violated wire tap, impeached from bench, reelected
Leaky Leahy - felt it was OK to leak secret information resulting in death of agents
Molohan - profited from earmarks and became rich overngight
Rockefeller - warned Saddam of impending attack resulting in transfer of WMDs to Syria
Marion Barry - crack smoking mayor of Dc was "set up", many times it seems.
Sharpton - made his bones on false accusation about NYC cops, never retracted
Clinton - too much to list
Murtha - delayed bribe until it was bigger.

this is all I can think of without actually lifting a finger. There is much more. what is interesting is how the parties deal with it. Rs resign or are shown the door by other Rs. Ds get completely away with it and suffer no harm, often making out better afterwards.

IDIOTS IN RUFUS1133's HOUSE=at least one.

REPEAT OFFENDERS AFTER COMPLETION OF THE DEATH SENTENCE=0

KOZ - I am many many other liberals have made it abundantly clear that we are opposed to gun control laws, that we support the Second Amendment, that we support thw *whole* of the Bill Of Rights. Moreover, I do not belong to the NRA. I (honest) think the NRA is a Republican front organization. I am amazed, dumbfounded, and frankly embarrassed that the ACLU doesn't support us. I could likewise answer your argument that I have never been mugged in the U.S., never been threatened when amoungst a bunch of "gun nuts", liberal and conservative. Shooting sports and the Second Amendment, however, ARE NOT the sole property of conservatives or the right nor of Fox News. So, please cease to attempt to make it so.

do you really think that cutting and pasting my stuff and posting it as your own is an intelligent response? Can't you Dems even come up with original blogging. I have given up on any original policies or political ideas from you. but this is pitiful. All your posts are huffington et al talking points. can't you originate a single thought on your own? Try to respond to my Dem corruption post if you can? that is the topic for today. Or is that just too painful to contemplate?

GUNS IN MY HOUSE=0
PEOPLE SHOT IN MY PRESENCE=0
pEOPLE SHOT ON THE MOON=0
PEOPLE SHOT IN THE AIR WHILE FLYING CROSS-COUNTRY ON A AROUND THE WORLD MISSION=0

Gun crimes recorded at Brady Center meetings - zero.

Accidental shootings at NRA meetings - ?

gun crimes recorded at NRA meetings - zero
gun crimes recorded in gun free zones - too many to count.
Most crime ridden city - DC
Most restrictive gun laws - DC

I am beginning to see a pattern here.

but this is all just propoganda and lies released by the NRA and fox so just ignore it. Oh wait, ignorant coward was supposed to say that.

oK. sO ATTACK THE SOURCE/MESSANGER rather than saying why it's wrong. That's ok. We both know that is all you can do. Obviusly you can't supplement the truth with lies. I'm going to state, since no one here will disprove, that the This article is fact http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

Anybody who continues to go with the current administration has either sold his/her country out for money, or they are a facist to. Don't blame me, blame yousleves. When you can speak about facts or disprove facts then you can come o the big boy table. Until then you are middle shcool children. Saying "I know you are but what I'm I" Or "But the dems did this in 1945', is done. That argument doesn't work anymore you lost. You now, razor and jd, have to debate like big boys now. You can't just say "your a doo doo head." When you can disprove ONE thing I've said then come talk to me. Other than that just stick to something you know. Keep repeating the talking points like an avatar, dittoheads. ONE WORLD ONE PEOPLE

This is the most incompetent White House I've seen since I came to Washington," said one GOP senator. "The White House legislative liaison team is incompetent, pitiful, embarrassing. My colleagues can't even tell you who the White House Senate liaison is. There is rank incompetence throughout the government. It's the weakest Cabinet I've seen." And remember, this is a Republican talking.

Retired Marine Gen. John Sheehan summed up the military's skepticism in explaining why he turned down White House feelers to become "war czar" for Iraq and Afghanistan: "The very fundamental issue is, they don't know where the hell they're going."

If you want to hear despair in Washington these days, talk to Republicans. They voice the bitterness and frustration of people chained to the hull of a sinking ship.

I spoke with a half-dozen prominent GOP operatives this past week, most of them high-level officials in the Reagan and Bush I and Bush II administrations, and I heard the same devastating critique: This White House is isolated and ineffective; the country has stopped listening to President Bush, just as it once tuned out the hapless Jimmy Carter; the president's misplaced sense of personal loyalty is hurting his party and the nation.

"This is the most incompetent White House I've seen since I came to Washington," said one GOP senator. "The White House legislative liaison team is incompetent, pitiful, embarrassing. My colleagues can't even tell you who the White House Senate liaison is. There is rank incompetence throughout the government. It's the weakest Cabinet I've seen." And remember, this is a Republican talking.

A prominent conservative complains: "With this White House, there is loyalty not to an idea, but to a person. When Republicans talked about someone in the Reagan administration being 'loyal,' they didn't mean to Ronald Reagan but to the conservative movement." Bush's stubborn defense of Gonzales offends these Republicans, who see the president defiantly clinging to an official who has lost public confidence, just as he did for too long with former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

All I hear about Democrat corruption sounds like crickets chirping. this is the same response I get when I mention the lack of any laws passed, the lack of any plan for SS, the desire to raise taxes, the hope to lose another war, the paucity of school policy.

hillary: can we talk about something else?
Obama: when I'm elected, we will have hope for something new
Breck girl: doesn't my hair look fine today? I spent more on it that you spent on groceries last month. but I understand you better then anyone else.

Homer - Grandpa, you just cashed a check you got in the mail without knowing what it was for.

Grandpa : I just thought the democrats were back in power.

Let's say every student at Virgina Tech was permitted -- even encouraged -- to carry a weapon. How many students might have been saved from Seung-Hui Cho's rampage -- and how many inadvertently wounded or killed in trying to shoot him down to stop it? For that matter, what might the gunplay death toll have been over the years from accidents, from suicides, from escalating arguments at beer busts, long before Seung-Hui Cho ever went gun-shopping? How many memorial benches and fountains would have been raised up to the memories of those dead?

The likelihood of using a bullet to stop a bullet is about the same as the odds of the Reagan-era ``Star Wars'' program's success at stopping the bad guys' missile with one fired by the good guys.

Why stop at arming schools? Why not open churches and nursing homes nationwide to loaded guns, as George Bush did as Texas governor? Why not let let people pack non-concealed weapons in hospitals, in libraries, even into the halls of Congress?

Yes, and especially people visiting the WH should be allowed to carry guns, don't you think?

I never supported Capital punishment. where did you get the idea I did?

k Cheney calls the Democrats "cynical," on the same day that Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman's brother provide the textbook example of actual cynicism. Bush declares the 2006 vote gave him a mandate for escalation, and that failure to achieve victory in Iraq will be the Democrats' fault, on the same day the Iraqis demand the US "gated-community" walls be torn down, and the number of Americans who want an orderly withdrawal from Iraq to begin now, and not wait until 2009, escalates toward everyone-but-his-dog-Barney. But the press covers it like a political chess game, not a five-alarm disaster.

WASHINGTON -- As midterm elections approached last November, federal investigators in Arizona faced unexpected obstacles in getting needed Justice Department approvals to advance a corruption investigation of Republican Rep. Rick Renzi, people close to the case said.

The delays, which postponed key approvals in the case until after the election, raise new questions about whether Attorney General Alberto Gonzales or other officials may have weighed political issues in some investigations. The Arizona U.S. attorney then overseeing the case, Paul Charlton, was told he was being fired in December, one of eight federal prosecutors dismissed in the past year. The dismissals have triggered a wave of criticism and calls from Congress for Mr. Gonzales to resign.

Investigators pursuing the Renzi case had been seeking clearance from senior Justice Department officials on search warrants, subpoenas and other legal tools for a year before the election, people close to the case said.

The head of the Democratic Party said Wednesday that the best way to get presidential candidates to talk frankly about issues is to lock out the media.

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/070425/ap/d8onpv0g3.html

Turn that camera off so we won't lie.

Speaking of liars, MikeB who is opposed to capital punishment, are you the same MikeB that lied about French unemployment?

lylepink: Anybody in Congress who voted to authorize the President to use force, 1) knew that he would take us to war with that authorization, 2) was incredibly naive, or 3) was just plain stupid.

Everybody who was paying attention at that time knew exactly where that train was going. We just didn't know that there would be so bad of a wreck down the track.

So, if Senator Clinton did not vote for war, she is either inceredibly naive or just plain stupid. Those are your only honest options.

KOZ, I will not deny that some people commit crimes that are so awful that we want them to die for them. However, there have been innocent people, recently proven innocent as a result of DNA evidence, that were convicted and sentenced to death for awful crimes that they did not commit. I wonder, I really do, how many innocent men and women have been put to death as a result of bad evidence. I also wonder if, someday, some test is developed that even supercedes DNA testings, can be used to prove the innocense of someone we, as a society, out to death today. It isn't worth it. I am opposed to capital punishment.

lylepink, RELAX, it was supposed to be humorous.

(I guess nobody likes the Simpsons here)

proudtobeGOP: The key word is "MAY" in that statement. Hillary DID NOT VOTE TO GO TO WAR. You also misread my statement about needing more Lawyers, I never said that. You need to get a few reading lessons before taking on "The Old Man". Ask William, he might be able to give you a few pointers.

When we vote to use force we don't really mean it. we are only really serious when we vote to surrender.

Recent poll found that 47% of those polled believed that rampant corruption would return to the white house if hillary is elected. notice the word return.

"Under this logic, NO ONE voted to go to war."

Exactly, razor. I guess it depends on what your definition of "go" is, or "is" is, or "was" is -or some such thing.

Why doesn't anyone change their name to peter or paul or jesus before going on a killing spree?

I hope that Obama guy wins. After a few years, they will decide that I am reformed, and let me out of jail. What a great country.

The AC unit failed in my office, which has inoperable windows, so we are all playing hooky for a few hours.

Thus I get to try to throw another bone of contention here.

I suggest that transparency and openness in government tend to reduce the opportunities for corruption. I suggest that the second great flaw of the Bush Administration is that it vigorously opposes transparency and openness.

I believe that McCain or Fred Thompson and
several of the Dems would stand squarely against unnecessary secrecy and closed government, but that this regime is the worst example in my lifetime for denying access and misstating the record and acting as if the federal bureaucracy is its fiefdom.

In that regard, I suspect that almost any successor will have less corruption, qualitatively and quantitatively, then this one.

Although I will still be damned by the continuing presence of Judge Hastings on the Intelligence Committee.

Enjoy.

I was mistreated as a child and still am most days. but I turned out just swell. all the voices keep telling me so.

What a great country. I killed a man for 20 bucks, now they will feed me for the rest of my life. I am so thankful for liberal judges.

We won a great victory today:

Two of our good citizens will not get the death penalty. We won this even though there is no question that each was responsible for murder. That makes me a pretty good lawyer, don't you think? Props to all my liberal peeps.

Abdul-Kabir, also known as Ted Calvin Cole, was convicted in 1988 of using a dog leash to strangle Raymond Richardson, 66, during a $20 robbery at his San Angelo home. Abdul-Kabir's lawyers contend the jury that condemned him had no way to take into account the mistreatment and abandonment that contributed to his violent adult behavior.

The same sentencing problems applied to Brewer, convicted of fatally stabbing 66-year-old Robert Laminack, who was attacked in 1990 outside his Amarillo flooring business and robbed of $140. Brewer was abused as a child and suffered from mental illness, factors his jurors weren't allowed to consider, according to his petition.

character - someone who works at disney
principles - don't they run elementary schools?

Ummm, no hillary

You must first define what 'war" is and then concern yourself with what the VRWC is up to before responding. and be sure to include some sort of funny accent while speaking, you know, to seem genuine.

Lylepink stated not too long ago that facts were obsolete since they could be twisted so easily. she seems to have had a re-evaluation. but still no facts according to the usual dictionary definition. No fair using that old book, it doesn't even define oral S*x as not s*x.

It will be amusing to see the new hillary based dictionary next year.

vote - verb - something that can be revoked if the outcome turns sour and elections need winning
hope - we have as much as he does
african- american - former clinton donors and supporters
genuine - no idea what this is

rufus1133,
Oh for heavens sake, get it right. It's
Fox/Rush/Hannity/OReilly/Drudge/Coulter/Svage/Malkin/Will/North/Reagan. "Can you read the article and tell me what is a lie please?" Not today. But when it actually relates to the topic.

Lylepink says Hillary "DID NOT VOTE TO GO TO WAR" only because the vote was to authorize the war, not to "go" to war. The classic Clintonesque "I didn't inhale" word play.

Under this logic, NO ONE voted to go to war.

Is that really the best Hillary can do to hide from the coming Obama "she voted for the war" attack?

"By not defending Kennedy, I can only assume that you agree that all your leaders are crooks and you are satisfied with that."
Well I guess I will have to admit to that one. I agree that most Democrats are crooks. but they are our crooks.

JD: Try and twist my words does not work. Read what I posted and you will find I never even implied what you say. FACTS, Man FACTS, would give you a better arguement of which you have none.

" Lou Dobbs does a good job in that the research he cites is from a variety of sources." - Kos, the nation, moveon, guardian, salon, kruggman, NYT plus I watch rosie.

some variety.

I am so open minded, my brains leak out. I read all the time - Kos, the nation, moveon, guardian, salon, kruggman, NYT plus I watch rosie. so you see, I know it all.

"Other than that, military uniforms were not worn in the White House per Hillary's directive issued down through the staff. In fact, the only military personnel who were permitted to wear uniforms at the White House were the Marine Guards (who were positioned outside of the White House) and the social aids -- mostly captains and majors, who were there infrequently and only during social events, assisting guests, showing people where the bathrooms were, that kind of thing. "

http://tank.nationalreview.com/

Buzz is a combat veteran, former fighter pilot, and former White House military aide who carried the nuclear football. His next book, War Crimes: The Left's Campaign to Eliminate the Military and Lose the War on Terror, will be released in June.

I know, The Guradian is the holder of truth and the NR is all lies. - 'White House military aide who carried the nuclear football' compared to image consultant. Hmmmmm. sounds like Dems lose again. blame it on bush, no wait, he's not running. blame it on fox then.

MikeB: That is Lou Dobbs, not Dotson. BTW, Lou Dobbs does a good job in that the research he cites is from a variety of sources.

edit: that was KOZ who said ruf was over his head

"by his own stupidity, incompetence and cowardice"

and I am an expert on this subject and have been all my life.

Ruf, I'm afraid razor's right, you are a tad over your head here. You might want to go back to Kos (or maybe get to class, your parents paid good money for that tuition..) Sorry to be snarky but you've been a little off the deep end with your fascism paranoia.

And FWIW, the min wage has very little to do with illegal immigration. The min wage is rarely needed anymore, what with <5% unemployment making the market wage for entry level workers well above that floor. This may change once it is increased, but that will also result in a loss of some entry level jobs.

U.S. Rep. Rick Renzi, R-Ariz., stepped down temporarily from all his committee assignments Tuesday, five days after the FBI raided his family business. He also dropped out of a program that raises money for vulnerable incumbents.

Renzi's move raised questions about whether he would seek re-election while he is the subject of a federal probe into a land deal that could have benefited a former business partner and campaign contributor. He took a leave of absence from the House Intelligence Committee Thursday night after the raid, and Democrats in Arizona had been pushing for him to leave the Committee on Natural Resources, which has jurisdiction over land swaps such as the one investigators are looking at.

But the three-term Republican House member denied any wrongdoing, even as he bowed to political pressure and left that committee as well as the Committee on Financial Services.

"Any politician trying to run for office in 08 should be using words like dialogue, working with others, and restoring the respect of the US in the world's eyes as talking points of their campaign. The fact that McCain does not use any of this language scares me.."

JustTired - McCain IS talking about restoring respect for America.

McCain says the United States must: "rethink and rebuild" the structure and mission of military intelligence sectors and law enforcement agencies; improve U.S. alliances and strengthen diplomacy with other nations; "marshal all elements of American power;" and "preserve our moral credibility, and remember that our security and the global progress of our ideals are inextricably linked."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070425/D8ONNESG0.html

"Hillary had banned military uniforms in the White House. '

typical brainwashed con lies and blather. you peopole are stupid enough to beleive this? guess that's why you're repugs.

sOORY dAVE!. I forgot you people can't information from any source other than Fox/Rush/Hannity/Svage/Drudge. Sorry about that. Sorry to try and give you another source. The above won't be around forever. What will your movement do when you have to think for yourslef. Any new information has to be filtered thrugh the Rush Prism, right? Sorry about that. Can you read the article and tell me what is a lie please?

Kerry: Dick Cheney "The 'American Idol' of Outlandish Claims"
"Dick Cheney's attacks on Harry Reid are as disturbing as they are disingenuous. He is the American Idol of outlandish claims. No one has been more wrong about Iraq from day one than Vice President Cheney. The Cheney Doctrine has been a recipe for disaster in Iraq that has put American troops in unforgivable danger and made America less secure" said Kerry.

"The Vice President has only been consistent in his miscalculations and misdirection. I could hardly believe my ears when the Vice President had the nerve to accuse Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of being uninformed. This is the same man who claimed that we would be greeted as liberators in Iraq and that the Iraqi insurgency was in its last throes, when in fact the civil war was growing. It is time for the Vice President to return to his secure, undisclosed location to rejoin his neocon friends rather than attack the Majority Leader who is fighting to keep faith with American troops."

rufus1133 you ignorant little twit do facists leave office at the end of their term? Do facists even have a term in office?

Do you really think Bush intends to try to stay in office after the end of his term?

Give me your definition of facist so I can make you eat it.

Something's got to give. That's the sense around Washington this week as the news from Baghdad worsens and the president defiantly continues an Iraq policy that many military leaders question. Unfortunately, what's giving way right now is the national interest. Bush is hunkered down with his troop surge strategy, and the military is expected to pay the price. A grim example of that human cost was Monday's deaths of nine U.S. soldiers from car bombs that hit one of the vulnerable forward operating bases that are a key part of the surge strategy.

"Hillary had banned military uniforms in the White House. The president eventually called the uniform ban 'an abject lie,' once it became apparent that this story didn't play well politically. ... I do know the uniform issue with Mrs. Clinton was real."
so much admiration for the uniform from the party of surrender.

Posted by: concerned Dem | April 25, 2007 03:20 PM

post a link or go back to fox news joe liberman

question for rudy:

"How can the man who failed to prepare NYC for a second attack after the first one, quit the 9/11 commission because he was too busy raking in money from sketchy business deals, can't assess if the surge is working or if Iran and North Korea have nuclear weapons claim that he will keep America safe?"

rufus1133,
First off the Guardian article has little, if anything, to do with the topic. Second, its by feminist Naomi Wolf, image guru to Clinton and Gore, hardly a trusted news source. When CC asks "Is Bush the second coming of Hitler?" question, i'll be happy to debate this topic.

Now,
"Where are they defending any of the "offenders". That is the differance. You have a group of people saying, "Let's fix this." You have another group defending the criminals."
If the Democrats were really interested in "fixing" perceived or real corruption, they would have gotten rid of William Jefferson. There are your hypocrits.

Mr. Reid told reporters this month that "we're going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war. Sen. [Chuck] Schumer has shown me numbers that are compelling and astounding." Talking out of one side of his mouth, Mr. Reid claims not to follow polls but to hew only to his own sense of what is right. Out of the other, ongoing problems in Iraq mean electoral success. Political duplicity doesn't get any more transparent than that.

Tom DeLay calling dems tratiros? Bush has been helping Osama bin Laden for almost six years. . Consider the facts. President Bush had bin Laden trapped in the mountains of Tora Bora. But he let bin Laden get away becausse Bush wanted to focus on Saddam Hussein instead.

The president and the White House tried to lie about this during the 2004 election. But since then the evidence has become overwhelming. President Bush decided to let bin Laden get away so he could get ready to attack Saddam Hussein. So pretty much anything bin Laden does from here on out is on President Bush. And how about Iraq? President Bush has screwed things up so badly that he's created a whole new generation of recruits for bin Laden. He's created a whole new army for bin Laden. Not by being tough but by being stupid. And by being too much of a coward to admit his mistakes once it was obvious that the occupation of Iraq was helping bin Laden specifically and the jihadist agenda in general.

After half a decade, the verdict is pretty clear: President Bush has been the biggest ally Osama bin Laden has. He's helped bin Laden at pretty much every turn -- even if only by his own stupidity, incompetence and cowardice. And when the next big terrorist attack comes, we can thank President Bush for helping make it happen.

So you can't tell me how they ARE NOT TURNING THIS COUNTRY INTO A FACSIST STATE, razorback? You need something from me, so you can tell me how THIS IS NOT FACSIST? What does that tell you?

Read the link http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

Then tell me how THEY ARE NOT FACISTS.

"Hillary had banned military uniforms in the White House. The president eventually called the uniform ban 'an abject lie,' once it became apparent that this story didn't play well politically. ... I do know the uniform issue with Mrs. Clinton was real."
so much admiration for the uniform from the party of surrender.

Consider, if you will, a parallel universe in which Bill Clinton presided over a deeply unpopular war in Iraq which was increasingly opposed by members of the Republican party. Thousands of US troops had died, and many thousands more had life-altering injuries. And, then, First Lady Hillary Clinton said, on a popular morning show, that over the course of the war no one had suffered more then she and her husband had.

Just imagine for a moment how that would've played out on talk radio, Drudge, CNN, Fox, MSNBC, the nightly news, the Sunday shows, the wingnut columnists, the liberal columnists, NPR, etc...

I imagine few honest members of the media industrial complex could deny this point, though most refuse to learn the broader lesson implied by it.

We need to strengthen our alliances and build support in other nations. We must regain our moral credibility, and remember that our security and the global progress of our ideals are inextricably linked.'

Hey dingbat - you listed "not an elected official" as one of your retorts and then go on to list all unelected officials
they were political appointments, nice try

al gore caught taking money from monks who pledged poverty
http://www.commondreams.org/views/062600-104.htm
nice try.

but what about this guy?
http://news.bostonherald.com/national/northeast/view.bg?articleid=183999
want to continue making a fool out of yourself?

Rufus - I think you are over your head on this blog. your posts suffer from logical calcification. the entire point is that the corrupt Rs are prosecuted, shamed and gone. the corrupt Dems have no consequences. this is evident by the facts I presented. you present a feeble opinion in reply. If you are so concerned, write to General Pelosi and demand she investigate all these corrupt acts. She has time now since she doesn't go to security briefings on Iraq. As a honorary general, she must get this info on her own.

In general, I hear a collective shrug from Libs on this. This is always the response when Libs get caught with their hands in the cookie jar. why the uneven treatment, just as the accusations aimed at Chris for reporting news yesterday and today. compare the outrage when Ds are the subject and the ignorance when Rs are the subject. But it is best to stay away from facts when you are a Lib. they are counter to your aims.

By not defending Kennedy, I can only assume that you agree that all your leaders are crooks and you are satisfied with that.

My point on the minimum wage is obvious. If there is a minimum wag why is there a market for undocumented non-english speaking workers. So there is a minimum wage, you say. So the illegal immagrants will all be going up to 7.25, right? It's slave labor, plain and simple. If you can't complete following the laws, YOU CAN"T COMPEATE. Do the work yourself. Don't flood the system/country with people would shouldn't be here

When Americans confront a catastrophe, natural or man-made, they have a right to expect basic competence from their government. They won't accept that firemen and policemen are unable to communicate with each other in an emergency because they don't have the same radio frequency. '

McCain goes after Rudy... and bush.

re: "but get your FACTS straight about Hillary. Hillary DID NOT VOTE TO GO TO WAR."

Posted by: lylepink | April 24, 2007 09:34 PM

and "I would like to suggest that for those of you that keeps insisting that Hillary voted to go to war, and other falsehoods about the vote, go read what was in it. No matter how many times you post FALSE info, the informed folks here know what are FACTS."

Posted by: lylepink | April 24, 2007 10:44 PM

Lylepink, you appear to be in serious denial. Here's the speech your candidate gave on the floor of the Senate. How do you conclude that she did not vote to authorize the war?

"I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go way with delay will oppose any UN resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.

This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction. "

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

According to you, we need more lawyers to figure out her stance on the war.

MikeB,

The company I work for is DuPont and this will be my last post unless I want to join the other 50% unemployed engineers (I'm a chemist myself).

I do not argue the fact that workers in India are paid less, but the assertion that engineers in this country are experiencing high unemployment is laughable. Where do you come up with your statistics? If it was as you say, then college engineering programs would be deserted, but its not the case. In fact, engineering programs are typically one of the hardest programs to get into at the undergraduate level. Why would this be if you had to take extremely challenging classes for a job at McDonald's along with all the other social science majors? The reason is because they are well paying jobs in abundance. You show no data.

re: "but get your FACTS straight about Hillary. Hillary DID NOT VOTE TO GO TO WAR."

Posted by: lylepink | April 24, 2007 09:34 PM

and "I would like to suggest that for those of you that keeps insisting that Hillary voted to go to war, and other falsehoods about the vote, go read what was in it. No matter how many times you post FALSE info, the informed folks here know what are FACTS."

Posted by: lylepink | April 24, 2007 10:44 PM

Lylepink, you appear to be in serious denial. Here's the speech your candidate gave on the floor of the Senate. How do you conclude that she did not vote to authorize the war?

"I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go way with delay will oppose any UN resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.

This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction. "

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

Do we need more lwayers to figure out her stance on the war?

rufus1133, state a concise objective and historically accurate definition of a facist state, and I will make you eat your words, or you will run away like Clive and MikeB

Did anyone read the guardian post above. If not, don't be scared. It's the truth. It's is just words if it is a lie it's is a lie. If it is truth it is truth. But to hide and only watch fox and only listen to rush/hannity/o'reilly is willful ignorance. This is what happened in pre-nazi germany. Please read and then tell me how this administration and the conservative movement IS NOT turining this country into a fascist state. If anyone can tell me how THEY ARE NOT DOING that, I'll give you a cookie :)

you say newspapers are not respected -- dickhe*d cheney's approval rating is 9% -- the lowest since we've had polls.

'If you want to respond, let's see the facts, not your worthless opinion'

from the one with the most worthless opinion possible -- LOL

"No controlling legal authority" - al gore caught taking money from monks who pledged poverty. With leaders like this, no wonder the rest of the fish is rotten.

Here is the differance kingofzouk. Where is any lib or dem on here defending Kenneddy? Where are they defending any of the "offenders". That is the differance. You have a group of people saying, "Let's fix this." You have another group defending the criminals. You are the hypocrite.

MikeB, can you please provide a citation that 50% of engineers are unemployed? You've brought up this statistic numerous times, and I haven't seen numbers anywhere else which reflect that.

You say they're IEEE statistics. Fine. I found minutes of their membership committee meeting from 2004. (It was one of the first hits on "IEEE employment statistics.") According to the presentation, internal surveys showed that 3% of IEEE members were unemployed.

The statistics in the presentation also say that less than 50% of employed engineers are IEEE members. That doesn't mean that less than 50% of engineers are employed; it means that less than half of the people employed as engineers are members of IEEE. Maybe you were misreading the chart.

I also found this:
http://www.todaysengineer.org/2005/Sep/pulse.asp
"In the first quarter of 2005, electrical engineers (EE) faced an unemployment rate that by fell to 2.1 percent, just about its historic average. The rate has been declining since 2003 when electrical engineers faced an unemployment rate of 6.3 percent -- the highest ever recorded for EEs."

Seriously, if you want to keep throwing around those numbers, you need to back them up somehow. Hopefully you no longer think I'm a corporate shill or outsourcing CEO, so you'll respond reasonably.

Hey dingbat - you listed "not an elected official" as one of your retorts and then go on to list all unelected officials. that does seem to be the best you can do. Still doesn't refute my point. Dems -the party of ongoing and everlasting corruption in its elected officials. the Rs have all been dealt with and are gone. the Dems live on in infamy and gain more power as you moroons support them in high hypocrisy.

ruf, you ask if there's a min wage...in America? Um...yeah....

Or did you mean Mexico or wherever the illegals mostly come from?

The Clinton administration made the same calculation in its own dealings with Halliburton. The company had won the LOGCAP in 1992, then lost it in 1997. The Clinton administration nonetheless awarded a no-bid contract to Halliburton to continue its work in the Balkans supporting the U.S. peacekeeping mission there because it made little sense to change midstream. According to Byron York, Al Gore's reinventing-government panel even singled out Halliburton for praise for its military logistics work.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/RichLowry/2003/09/18/the_halliburton_smear

Oh for the good ole days, when Al Gore's reinventing government panel PRAISED Haliburton.

lylepink,
"Read any LAW that is on the books now and I can almost state, not quite, with conviction there is a loophole."
So the Democratic solution to fix society's problems is to naturally add more laws. I think i am beginning to see how this thing works now! Thanks!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

What the admin and Fox news has done to this country. Read it. FEAR IT

Claude Allen, White House-arrested for retail fraud

Eric Andell, U.S. Department of Education-pleaded guilty to charging the federal government about $9,000 for personal travel

Lester Crawford, Food and Drug Administration-lying and violating conflict-of-interest laws for falsely reporting his ownership of stock in companies regulated by the FDA.

Lurita Doan, General Services Administration-involved-violated the hatch act
Brian Doyle, U.S. Department of Homeland Security-child porn

Frank Figueroa, U.S. Department of Homeland Security-convicted of exposing him self to a minor

Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, Central Intelligence Agency-involed in the cunningham scandal with duke cunningham(convicted)Mitchell Wade(convicted)and brent wiliks(Indicted)

J. Steven Griles, U.S. Department of the Interior-convicted in the jack abramhoff scandal

David Safavian, White House and General Services Administration-arrested in connection to the jack abramhoff scandal

rep bob ney-guilty plea to charges of conspiracy and making false statements in relation to the Jack Abramoff scandal.

more coming

razorzouk,
Living in the DC area, i have to tell you that Marion Barry is NEVER "old news". Saying link or gtfo! (i guess your version of "i don't believe it") does not counter or disprove anything.
Man, there appear to be a lot of Democrats exhibiting shady behavior who are "not charged". That can't mean anything can it? I guess its the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (VRWC) at work again.

My last chance to post today - its back to work for me.

KingOfZouk, the sea of corruption is what leads honest citizens of every political stripe to seek transparency in government, but your list reminded me that my string is easily pulled, too:

Hastings, an impeached and removed former Federal Judge cannot possibly get a security clearance but he sits on the Intelligence Committee.

I wrote then prospective Speaker Pelosi an anguished plea that she not name him chair of that committee. She was actually considering it. Eventually, she did not. A small favor.

I should be as angry about Halliburton waste, but honestly, nothing gets to me like Hastings.
I am an attorney who remembers when our collective reputation was higher than that of transients and congresspersons.

I apologize to all, in advance, for my personal venting.

I agree with you jd that illegals need to be shipped back. Don't get it twisted though. It is the republicans greed at the heart of the issue not the dems compassion. Is there a minimum wage in this country? If not why?

The Iglesius (one of the fired US Attorneys) interview on Hardball last night was quite good. He said Gonzalez aide Goodling, the White House liaison, is the key and that after watching Gonzalez testimony it was apparent he was purely a figurehead. I saw today that Goodling will likely get a subpeona and immunity to testify in Congress. It makes me sick to see how these obviously hard working, competent US Attorneys were smeared and run over by hacks like Goodling and Rove. Does this administration EVER hire anyone based on background or achievements?

The accused in this scandal are fond of saying that the US Attorneys "serve at the pleasure of the president." All this time we thought they were beholden to the constitution and the rule of law. I thought Ashcroft was a horrible Attorney General, but Gonzalez makes Ashcroft look like Bobby Kennedy.

lylepink, you remind me of a line from the Simpsons: "If there's one thing this country needs, it's more lawyers. Can you imagine a world without lawyers?" (Cut to an idyllic scene, everyone holding hands, singing, basically paradise)

Old news - that corrupt Dems are still around. Yes it is old news and that seems to be the only defense you have for it. but find a GOP who has a cloud over their head and is still around. the old news thing only proves the point.

Middle school agruments. That's all I see. I see the conservative movement will never be held accountable with you people follwoing them. We will never solve the political corruption because the right doesn't want it solved. Sabotoge the government then say, "This is why I don't like big govt." I have a questions for you, and then I'm gone.

When/If the democrats win, can they use what Bush has done to expand his pricliples? If they want to shut down Rush/Fox news because Imus/rather is gone can they? Or will the conservative movement kick and scream. Whoever will be in charge will say, "Well, this has happened before to imus." With the rational I see for the right here, as long as it happened before, it means that if done again that person cannot be held accountable. That's like saying Bob waskilled by a gun, why am I being held. The conservative movement is over. You didn't get the memo? You cannot battle truth with lies and attacks. It's is impossible. You will always lose, unless yo cheat of course

MikeB you liar. ANY cite that shows French uneployment at ANYTHING other than a 50 year low is proof that you are a liar.

LaMond? Don'