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Razorback (resident mishandler of facts) - First it WAS Colgate and it WAS announced yesterday:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19245928/

"...Colgate-Palmolive Co. said on Friday that counterfeit toothpaste falsely labeled as "Colgate" posed a low health risk...The recall follows reports of contamination in several countries, including Panama, where diethylene glycol was blamed for the deaths of 51 people after they took tainted cold medicine. China has admitted it was the source of the deadly chemical but insists it was originally labeled as for industrial use only. Earlier this month, China's main food safety regulator said low levels of the chemical have been deemed safe for consumption...." Oh, really? Razorback, tell us, do you feel a cold coming on? I
've got JUST the cough syrup for you....

Congress and Senate approve is low because the dems refuse to do what myself and many onthers here want. Take Bush and his cronies down. Federal time. Treason. That's why congress is low. They don't have the spine to do what needs to be done. How can anyone with a spine vote democrat. How can anyone with a brain or heart vote republican. The need for a new party has never been greater

So in all the sound and fury about next to
nothing around here today,and so can anyone
tell me if they are even aware that 19%
Approval Rating Democrat Senate Majority
Leader Horrible Harry Reid just put the
George W Bush,Amnesty John McCain,Teddy
Kennedy,Trent Lott,and Mitch McConnel and
Two Face Jon Kyl Illegal Alien Amnesty
Bill Back On The Agenda And Plans To
Vote On It's Passagre Next Week,as to why
none of you are concerned here on it?

Thirty-five years after the Kennedy assassination and speculation about a conspiracy, "grassy knoll" has become a generic term connoting hidden plots and subterfuge. But who coined the phrase? Until now the answer has remained elusive, yet newly-discovered information identifies the source as a member of the news media. Here's how it happened.

The Kennedy motorcade from Love Field through Dallas included a news "pool car" loaned by the telephone company. It was the fifth car behind President Kennedy. Riding in the right front was Malcolm Kilduff, Mr. Kennedy's acting press secretary. In the middle sat senior White House correspondent Merriman Smith of United Press International (UPI). Thanks to a long-standing agreement to alternate seats with the competing wire service, Associated Press (AP), Mr. Smith sat directly in front of the car's only radio telephone. In the back seat sat the AP's Jack Bell, Robert Baskin of The Dallas Morning News and Bob Clark of ABC News.

When the shots were fired, Mr. Smith's car rode several hundred feet behind the president. The reporter had time to hear and see reactions from the crowd and police escorts, one of whom, Bobby Hargis, immediately stopped, jumped off his Harley-Davidson and raced up the nearby hill to a low concrete wall, passing horrified spectators lying on the ground.

As officer Hargis ran, the pool car picked up speed entering the Triple Underpass to Stemmons Freeway and the wild race to Parkland Hospital. Mr. Smith grabbed the radio telephone and called the Dallas UPI office, which sent out his dispatch at 12:34, four minutes after the shooting. "Three shots were fired at President Kennedy's motorcade today in downtown Dallas," he reported, and news bulletins around the world began with that short statement.

Meanwhile, in Anna, Illinois, WRAJ-AM owner and manager Don Michel responded to the UPI teletype warning bells and relayed those early reports to his startled listeners. Fortunately, Mr. Michel did something few others had presence of mind to do. He saved the UPI dispatches and filed them away, figuring someday they would be valuable for history. He was right. Mr. Michel placed those rare pages on loan to The Sixth Floor Museum, where several have been on display since opening day in 1989.

One of the pages in our archive reveals that in a dispatch sent almost exactly 25 minutes after the assassination, Mr. Smith reported "Some of the Secret Service agents thought the gunfire was from an automatic weapon fired to the right rear of the president's car, probably from a grassy knoll to which police rushed."

No other news reports or witness interviews are known to contain the phrase "grassy knoll" at that time. In fact, tapes of local news coverage reveal that "grassy knoll" was later repeated by a few other reporters for several hours until investigators became convinced the shots originated from the old Texas School Book Depository. Yet it remains an historical fact that police and spectators immediately ran to the grassy knoll, not to the Depository building. And UPI's Merriman Smith reported it first.

So that's the story, as best as can be determined so many years later. Some researchers like to credit witness Bill Newman with the phrase, but the video tape shows he wasn't the one. Newman appeared on WFAA-TV in Dallas about 15-20 minutes after the shooting. He said the shots came from behind him, "up on the mall," or "up on the knoll."

Careful study of the tape shows him forming his lips to make the "mmm" sound, not "nnn." And he did not say "grassy" at any time.

garcia: My middle name is Carl and I use C. in my signature. Rove is the only one I am aware of that is not supposed to have German in his background uses the "K" in their spelling. I know a few folk that have the name and all of them use C in their spelling. An added thought about "che", I just skip all h/she posts.

Also how relevant is Kenneddy to the above. He hasn't been relevant in twenty years. That's like these fascists on this site who claim Al Franken is the balance to Rush/Hannity/O'Reilly. Not very balanced. What are their ratings. Franken's are low because he is irrelevant. Liberals tend to be independant thinkers, unlike dittoheads. We don't need an another man/woman telling us what and how to think. Dittoheads these days.

Is that all you got one guy. Kenneddy. Wow. Elaborate please. I am an independant, so I can say this. The Kenneddy's are no freinds to America. They are really republicans. They are/were crimanals, no? Boot-legging? They are puppets. They play their role. I agree he should be gone. What you got now razor?

Why should bush/rove/cheaney/rumsfeild all be charged ofr TREASON?

Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger '08! Let's hurry up and amend the Constitution to make this possible!

Razorback, thank you for the link. Some other interesting points from it:

"- It is essential to understand how your opponent thinks and to keep lines of communication open. Cornering an opponent without keeping open diplomatic channels that allow you to understand his situation may prove fatal;

- America needs friends. Kennedy acted as he did because NATO, other allies, and world opinion supported him; "

Have Bush and Rove seen this?

Ted Kennedy has Nazi ties too, because his father was removed as ambassador to England because he didnt support us invovlement in the war, Does that make Ted Kennedy a nazi? No. That is that same kind of stupid argument that is being made about Bush.

Speaking of McNamara. If you people havn't seen it. He has a documentary called "THE FOG OF WAR". In it he recounts various themes and vietnam in particular. I recommend this Documentary greatly. One scene is memorable to me. It it Mac talks about bombing Japan, before the big one. He talks about the napam bombs that killed hundreds of thousands of people. They destroyed many whole towns and cities. Afterward Mac was talking to some and he said the following.

"WE JUST COMMITED WAR CRIMES. WE ARE GOING TO GO TO JAIL FOR THIS." The man the was speacking to said "WELL WE BETTER WIN THE WAR THEN.

Mac, on the doc, broke down in tears. He said "What kind of world do we live in where the crimes commited depends on WHETHER WE LOSE THE WAR OR NOT."

That is the situation we are in now. Bush and his cronies are commiting felonies. FELONIES everyday. Does whether he wins the war or not change that? Does having a good economy change the fact you commited crimes. The right wing conservative movement needs to think about that long and hard. WHEN WILL THEIR TREASONOUS CRIMES BE STOPPED. WILL THE NEXT PRESIDENT CONTINUE THIS "EXPANDED" POWERS BUSH GAVE THEM, or will those CRIMES still be considered "crimes". Think about the future Zouk

My boy Che is on point. Bush has Nazi ties, much like Sadaam did. Don't believe Che. Do you own research. The budda says "Do not believe any man's words, not even me, if you do not believe it with your own mind."

That is what the dittohead nation will never understand. Try thinking for yourself for once, razor, rather than living through your avatar Rush/Hannity/O'Reilly

"THERE YOU HAVE IT CHE, YOUR BOYS WANTED TO NUKE THE UNITED STATES."

Much like "WE" want to nuke Iran now. The differance is Iran never hurt our country, as we have done and continue to do to Cuba. Does Cuba deserve their own country or are they America's resort?

Are you going to play nice Razor/Zouk. Or am I goin gto have to come back on here to balance you out. Fascist

Wasn't Boxer suspected to retire in 2010? If so, the Governator would coast in wouldn't he? I suspect he'd make a good Senator. Republicans would have to accept he'd disagree with them often 'cos no other Republican would be able to win a California Senate seat...

Che, see:

http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/bergstrom1

After the film's debut in America, the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard arranged for a panel to discuss the film and the crisis at its heart. Participants included: Robert McNamara, President Kennedy's Secretary of Defense; Theodore Sorensen, his close aid and speech writer; Ernest R. May, a professor of history at Harvard who has written a book about "The Kennedy Tapes"; and Graham Allison, a professor of political science at Harvard who, 30 years ago, wrote the classic study of the missile crisis "Essence of Decision......
....."It took thirty years before I found out," McNamara said, "that there were already nuclear arms on Cuba: 162 charges, of which 90 were tactical nuclear weapons."

McNamara received this information at a meeting with Fidel Castro. He asked Castro three questions: 1) Did you know? 2) If so, what did you recommend? 3) What would the consequences for Cuba have been? Castro answered: "I knew. I strongly recommended that nuclear weapons be used. I knew it would lead to Cuba's annihilation." Castro, and to a stronger degree, his comrade Che Guevara, were willing to let Cuba go up in smoke in order to make their country a martyr in the world revolutionary struggle!

THERE YOU HAVE IT CHE, YOUR BOYS WANTED TO NUKE THE UNITED STATES.

Look and see that GWH Bush was shot down by the Nazis Japanese ally. Why didnt the conspiracy protect him? Nebulous ties from decades ago do not make Bush a nazi

Yes, garcia, yours was a very McCarthyesque attempt to smear without slandering as a technicality.

'Leave it to a lib to reference slandering people at the same time as falsely and maliciously linking those he/she disagrees with to Nazis.'

how many times to i have to link to the US national archive to show you the bush family financial support of hitler? google 'Trading with the enemies act, 1942-- and you will see how the bush/walkers [yes on both sides] were censured by the US gov't and had their business closed. you just don't want to know.

Razorback says:

"Castro answered: 'I knew. I strongly recommended that nuclear weapons be used. I knew it would lead to Cuba's annihilation.' Castro, and to a stronger degree, his comrade Che Guevara, were willing to let Cuba go up in smoke in order to make their country a martyr in the world revolutionary struggle!"

Razorback, do you often take Castro as a reliable source? I'm guessing no... and have you ever heard of him exaggerating for effect? I'm guessing yes. Anyway, the Castro quote you cite does not mention Che Guevara. Do you assume that he advocated nuking the U.S.? and if so, from what unimpeachable source?

I leave you with a quote from St. Ronald Reagan:

"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."

But he was joking, so it's OK, right?

Razorback, eres un hipócrita que usa las anteojeras partisanas. ¡Desea vivo la revolución!

Garcia, do you not think s/he could have made his 4:21P point by saying:

"To read details on Schwarzenneger's Nazi connections, and the Nazi connections of the Bush family, and about Karl Rove's rumored ancestry, go to [a list of webpages]."

That would not curtail his/her freedom of speech, it would only preserve the time, place, and manner of presentation. As a legal example, if there is a public free speech area in a park, it must be made reasonably available to all, which means that restrictions can be made on the time and manner of presentations, although not, generally speaking, on political or religious content.

Now look at "che"'s 6:21P post...

Razorback, in re: slander, you will note that I added "if the Nazi family ties of Bush and Rove are true." In the law, we refer to that as a caveat. If you are unfamiliar with the term, I'll make it easy for ya - Latin roots, literally means "warning," used to describe a qualifying statement. Ergo, I did NOT slander ANYbody, just made a comment. However, in re: falsely and maliciously - enough has been said about the Bush family's connections to establish reasonable suspicion, and it's not malicious to comment on a reasonable suspicion about Our Dear Leader's family. This is the first I have heard about Rove, and once again, I do not know if it is true, as I indicated in my original post. The only malicious thing I WILL say is, based on what we now know about Karl with a K, I could easily believe it.

As referenced about, Che's namesake advocated a nuclear attack on the United States. Perhaps Stalin, PolPot, or Amin would be a better pen name to use.

With respect to food, I was referencing generic. I buy my Kraft Mac N Cheese for 2 bucks a box, not the Kroger off brand for 1.69. I don't think there are any po' folks getting diseases because they can't spring for the 39 cents to get the Kraft instead of the generic. And before you even go there, my father had a 6th grade education, and when he left my mother with 4 young kids, and she had not worked outside the home for 20 years, so what I know about hard times wasn't learned in a sociology class at Harvard.

I have always stated that I support safety regulations. It is economic regulations that I oppose.

Observations of the "Face on Mars" and similar features by the Mars Global Surveyor Orbiter Camera
Michael C. Malin, Principal Investigator, Mars Global Surveyor Orbiter Camera
There is some interest concerning whether or not the Mars Global Surveyor Orbiter Camera (MOC) will observe the "Face on Mars" and other features in the Cydonia region on Mars. This page will describe why there is interest and what the MOC plans are for photographing the features described below.
Background
For those not familiar with the topic, several Viking images show features on the surface of Mars that, in the eyes of some people, resemble "faces," "pyramids," and other such "artifacts." The most famous of these is the "Face on Mars" and associated features "The City," "The Fortress," "The Cliff," "The Tholus," and "The D&M Pyramid." A fairly substantial "cottage" industry has sprung up around these features, with several books having been written about them, newsletters published, public presentations, press conferences, and, of course, "supermarket tabloid" published reports. The basic premise of these people is that the features are artificial, and are messages to us from alien beings. Their tack is to say, "These should be rephotographed by Mars Global Surveyor, since with high resolution we should be able to prove that they are artificial. If they are in fact artificial, this would rank as one of the greatest discoveries in history and thus every effort should be made to acquire images." Evidence cited as presently "proving" these are unnatural landforms include measurements of angles and distances that define "precise" mathematical relationships. One of the most popular is that "The D&M Pyramid" is located at 40.868 degrees North Latitude, relative to the control network established by Merton Davies (the RAND scientist who has been more or less singularly responsible for establishing the longitude/latitude grids on the planets) to an accuracy (actually, a precision) of order 0.017 degrees. They point out that 40.868 equals arctan (e / pi); alternatively, one of the advocates notes that the ratio of the surface area of a tetrahedron to its circumscribing sphere is 2.72069 (e = 2.71828), which, if substituted for e in the above arctan equation gives 40.893 degrees, which is both within the physical perimeter of the "Pyramid" and within the above stated precision. Other mathematical relationships abound. The advocates of this view argue that "no scientific study of these features has been conducted under NASA auspices" and that NASA and the conservative science community are conspiring to keep the "real" story from the American public.

The conventional view is that this is all nonsense. The Cydonia region lies on the boundary between ancient upland topography and low-lying plains, with the isolated hills representing remnants of the uplands that once covered the low-lying area. The features seen in these mesas and buttes (to bring terrestrial terminology from the desert southwest to bear on the problem) result from differential weathering and erosion of layers within the rock materials. The area is of considerable importance to geologists because it does provide insight into the sub-surface of Mars, and to its surface processes. The measurement of angles and distances seems so much numerology, especially when one understands the actual limitations in the control network (of order 5-10 km, or 0.1-0.2 degrees) and the imprecision of our corrections of the images (neglecting, for example, topography when reprojecting data for maps) on which people are trying to measure precise angles and distances. For example, using the latest Mars Digital Image Mosaic and the U. S. Geological Survey control network, the aforementioned "Pyramid" is located at 40.67 N, 9.62W. Using the Viking spacecraft tracking and engineering telemetry, the position is 40.71 N, 9.99 W. The difference, 0.04 deg latitude and 0.37 deg longitude, represents nearly 17 km on the ground, or 7X the size of the Pyramid. These positions differ from the e / pi position by a similar number. Even given accurate data, however, most science does not depend solely on planimetric measurements, even when using photographs. There are many other attributes used to examine features, especially those suspected of being artificial, and the martian features do not display such attributes. No one in the planetary science community (at least to my knowledge) would waste their time doing "a scientific study" of the nature advocated by those who believe that the "Face on Mars" artificial.

Things Limiting MOC Observations
Before discussing the observations MOC will attempt to make of "The Face" and other such features, some facts about the camera and its ability to look at specific locations are needed.

1. The MOC is body-fixed to the spacecraft

It has no independent pointing capability. It makes pictures the same way a fax machine does (i.e., the scene is moved past the single line detector).

2. The MOC has a limited cross-track Field of View (FOV)

The MOC has a very small field of view (0.44 degrees), which is about 3 km from the 400 km orbital altitude. It typically takes very small images at very high resolution (lots of data). Anything wider than 3 km cannot be imaged in its entirety.

3. The MOC has a large but not "infinite" along-track Field of View

The MOC's downtrack field of view is limited by the amount of data that will fit in its buffer (about 10 MB). If one uses the entire buffer (which is not likely to be completely empty unless it's planned to be) and 2:1 realtime predictive compression, this translates to a downtrack image length of about 15 km. The camera has been designed to be able to average pixels together to synthesize poorer resolution, which frees up data. Under the best case buffer availability, an 8X summed image would be 3 km wide (but only 256 pixels across) by about 78,000 pixels long which, at 12 m/pxl (8 X 1.5) would be over 800 km long. One of the big uncertainties in taking pictures of specific places on Mars is the uncertainty in when the spacecraft will pass over that place: the timing uncertainty of 40-120 seconds translates to 120 to 360 km uncertainty in position.

4. The spacecraft has limited pointing control

The spacecraft uses infra-red horizon sensors for in-orbit pointing control. Owing to variations in the IR flux of the horizon with latitude, season, surface topography, atmospheric dust content, cloudiness, and other meteorological and climatological conditions, the control capability is about 10 mrad (0.6 degrees = 4 km), which is larger than the MOC field of view.

5. There will be a substantial uncertainty in the predicted inertial position of the spacecraft (and hence, the camera)

The position of the spacecraft is determined by radio tracking for 8 hours (roughly 4.5 hours of actually seeing the spacecraft) a day, and by computing the position of the Earth, Mars, and the spacecraft in an inertial coordinate system. It takes a few days to do this, and to use it to determine where the spacecraft will be a few days later. By that time, gravity perturbations, atmospheric drag, and autonomous momentum unloadings will have changed the orbit. Error studies suggest that the uncertainty seven days after the end of a given period of tracking can be represented as (at best)a 40 second uncertainty in the time the spacecraft will be at a specific point in its orbit. This translates (at the orbital rate of the spacecraft projected on the ground of 3 km/s) to 120 km downtrack and (because Mars rotates at 0.24 km/s at the equator) 9.6 km crosstrack. At 40 degrees latitude, the crosstrack uncertainty is 7.4 km, over twice the size of the MOC field of view. At some times in the mission, when the orbit geometry is unfavorable, predictions will be worse.

6. The non-inertial position of the spacecraft will also be uncertain

The position of the spacecraft is determined inertially. As noted above, the position of the longitude/latitude grid is also uncertain to about 5-10 km.

7. The spacing of orbits will be uncertain

If, in spite of the preceding, orbits were equally spaced, then the average spacing of orbits at the equator for the 687 day mission would be about 2.5 km, which means that each spot on the equator would fall within the MOC field of view in (possibly) two images. In fact, the repeat distance is just over 3.1 km, again assuming equal spacing, and it is more than likely that each spot on the equator will only be seen once. At 40 degrees latitude, the spacing is roughly 2.4 km, and any location will be seen, at most, twice. Given Items 1-6 (above), it is most likely that some places will be overflown twice, and others not at all, and that our ability to predict this is very limited.

The MOC team is attempting to address some of these issues with, for example, optical navigation. This could reduce the spacecraft position uncertainty by perhaps a factor of five or more. An attempt will be made to generate a new control grid with higher precision (perhaps as good as 1 km). But nothing can be done about the orbit spacing or the pointing control or the width of the MOC field of view. Thus, hitting anything as small as a specific 3 km piece of the planet is going to be very difficult.

This discussion doesn't address the variability of the martian atmosphere, which is very dynamic. Given the occurrence of dust storms during some seasons, and polar clouds during others, there is no guarantee that, even when the spacecraft flies over a specific area, the ground will actually be visible.
Plans for Observing the "Face on Mars"
Despite providing a number of people involved with the "private" studies of the "Face of Mars" with exactly the same information presented above, there appears to be a continuing view that MOC will purposefully avoid taking pictures of the "Face" and other features. Much of their focus is on "conspiracies" they feel exist to keep information from the public. This, of course, isn't the case: if an image of the "Face" is acquired, it will most definitely be released. The "Face on Mars," "City," "Fortress," "Cliff," "Tholus," "D&M Pyramid," etc. are in the MOC target database. Image acquisitions will be scheduled each time the spacecraft is predicted to pass over each target. This is done automatically. Given the factors noted above, however, there is no certainty that the images will actually include the features of interest.

Leave it to a lib to reference slandering people at the same time as falsely and maliciously linking those he/she disagrees with to Nazis.

Razorback, when you say "I don't just advocate low price, but the right of each consumer to choose for themselves the right balance of quality and price" do you not recognize that by that logic, quality is denied to those who cannot afford to pay a higher price? In any case, the issue here is not quality as much as it is SAFETY. No matter how cheap the toothpaste / cat food / whatever, what consumer would knowingly purchase a produce which contained poison?

Mark in Austin, I would usually agree with you about Che's long posts and the relevance or lack thereof of them. This time, I actually read it and found it interesting - and a little disturbing, if the Nazi family ties of Bush and Rove are true. (I have heard this from other sources, although not in this much detail, and heard about Schwarzenegger when he was first running for CA gov.) Yes, what he/she posts is often off-topic and requires a little to a lot of scrolling, but free speech, y'know? Agree or not, he doesn't slander people or call them names, as does at least one other semi-regular contributor here, and he has never claimed to be the monarch of an imaginary country.

And by the way MikeB, I don't just advocate low price, but the right of each consumer to choose for themselves the right balance of quality and price.

For food products and soap/shampoo/toothpaste etc., I go with the brand names and pay a little more.

It is a good thing that I don't have a cat though, because I would have gone for the cheap (american made) cat food.

I reluctantly agree with MarkinAustin that the extra long cut and paste posts should be curtailed.

This blog has all viewpoints represented in part because no posts get cut.

Daily Kos allows posters whose posts get rated highly enough to delete the posts of others. The result is an echo chamber of continually reinforced ignorance because ideas are not subjected to intellectual scrutiny. All Daily Kos wants is a group of people who all agree who help reinforce each others biases while the owners get rich selling advertisments for I hate Bush T-shirts and other leftist trinkets.

We don't need that garbabe here, but at the same time it would help our discussions if the serial cut and pasters who paste very long posts were curtailed.

More on "che" -

CC, at 4:21P he posted almost 6 screens of cut and paste! They could have been presented within a paragraph:

"To read details on Schwarzenneger's Nazi connections, and the Nazi connections of the Bush family, and about Karl Rove's rumored ancestry, go to [a list of webpages].
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really.

More fact checking required for our resident serial liar (MikeB).

He says:

"today Colgate announced the recall of millions of tubes of toothpaste. It seems that the Chinese, in an effort to cut costs....er, provide you with the lowest price... replaced the suger used as a sweetener with ethylene glycol (that sweet tasting ingrediant in antifreeze that kills several thousands dogs every year....and people now!)"

First, it wasn't Colgate. Second, it wasn't today. Third, the FDA issue a precautionary import restriction almost 2 weeks ago:

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2007/NEW01646.html

"The agency is not aware of any poisoning from toothpaste in the United States, but it did find the antifreeze ingredient in a shipment at the U.S. border and at two retail stores: a Dollar Plus store in Miami and a Todo A Peso store in Puerto Rico."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18985512/

The Bush administration regulators were on the job protecting Americans, so no need to tell more lies MikeB. Check your own facts next time.

And by the way, I use Crest.

CC, could you keep "che" from cutting and pasting double and triple screen-length screeds? I, and others, have asked him/her to cite .urls and make a one or two sentence reference, rather than continue to hijack these blogs.

Many, probably most, times his/her chosen sagas are irrelevant to either the thread or to any of the near miss diversions we enjoy [an example of a near miss diversion: subtopic of BR's alleged scalp-rub then veers off into discussing male politicians as womanizers].

Go back and read che's posts if you do not know what I am talking about. I invite others to chime in, either for or against my position, in all fairness.

So violent, Mike. You remind me of Bush after 9/11.

Razorback,
In a wonderful example of "lowest price", today Colgate announced the recall of millions of tubes of toothpaste. It seems that the Chinese, in an effort to cut costs....er, provide you with the lowest price... replaced the suger used as a sweetener with ethylene glycol (that sweet tasting ingrediant in antifreeze that kills several thousands dogs every year....and people now!). Now, the FDA is investigating thousands of products, food (Bo apatite!), prescription and over-the-counter drugs, health products, even tools, from China and India, and *most* are adulterated in one way or another. It looks like you and those other bargain hunters get to bet your life on those bargains that result from outsourcing.

HayImGay -

The left? Gay? Feminization? These are three different things. First off, if you mean "liberal" by "left", we are disproportionatley represented in the military. I have two sons in Iraq and I nd they are very much liberals. We don't LIKE IRaq, but we do serve our country, we love it, and we work to make it better. Gay? I'm a self described "gun nut". I love shooting. I also am a blackbelt in Tae Kwon Do. My best friend, Dave, is gay. We drink beer together, work on his antique Mustang car, we shoot together, and hunt together, and he take Tae Kwon Do with me. He's about as "masculine" as guy as you'll ever meet. And honest and trustworthy and resepcted by me and my family. He's gay! So what! Feminists may or may not be liberals. Many, and this is just my observation, are rather self serving apolitical sorts who have some deep seated psychological problems with regards to men. Others, and there are a few, are genuine liberals, decent people who are simply tired of being treated like either a piece of meat or as a second class citizen when it comes to employment, automobile purchases, and just plain living life as an ordinary human being.

You right wingers apparently want to perpetuate these silly notions of what people are all about. I am only spending the time to answer you, becasue your post happened to p*ss me off enough to want to punch your lights out. Is that not feminine enough for you......dweeb!

Dear HaylmGay,

Did you know that most of the people who proclame being gayhaters are gay themselves?.

Cheers!!!!!!!!!

Maybe the feminization of the left comes not from Rush Limbo but from the left's embrace of all things GAY.

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Che, thanks for admiring a man who advocated nuking the United States.

Mr. Cillizza,

You are a corporate puppet.

Shame on you for promoting Arnold!!!!!!

On October 3, ABC News broke the story of Schwarzenegger's 1977 interview in which he was asked whom he admired. Schwarzenegger replied, "I admire Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power. I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it."

http://www.counterpunch.org/wasserman10062003.html

why don't you go kill some judges to make yourself feel better, razorback?

'Virtually the entire show is now devoted to an overt celebration of masculinity -- by Rush Limbaugh -- and to claims that Democrats and liberals lack masculinity.

As but one example, Rush claimed that the New York Times buried the story of the JFK terrorist plot on page C30, immediately prior to the Sports Section, because nobody would see it there, because the "wimps and sissies who read the New York Times don't read the Sports section, because it's too macho for them."

And just as Glenn Reynolds has done, Rush has developed a virtual obsession with the book The Dangerous Book for Boys, geared towards teaching "boys how to be boys." Rush spent the week hailing it as the antidote to what he calls the "Emasculation of America."

Identically, Reynolds on his blog has promoted the book a disturbing 17 times in the last six weeks alone. When doing so, he routinely proclaims things such as "maybe there's hope," and -- most revealingly -- has fretted: "Are we turning into a nation of wimps?" It is the identity of the "we" in that sentence where all the meaning lies. Perhaps if "we" torture enough bound and gagged prisoners and bomb enough countries, "we" can rid ourselves of that worry.

Republicans have long tried to exploit masculinity images and depict Democrats and liberals as effeminate and therefore weak. That is not new. But what is new is how explicit and upfront and unabashed this all is now. And what is most striking about it is that -- literally in almost every case -- the most vocal crusaders for Hard-Core Traditional Masculinity, the Virtues of Machismo, are the ones who so plainly lack those qualities on every level.'

and who is the biggest advertiser on rush's show -- remedies for ED. you R boys got a problem, and you know it. tht's why you're so scared of gays.

Che's chosen pen name is that of one of the few individuals in all of world history who as actually advocated NUKING the United States.

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Fourth Reich?
The Bush-Rove-Schwarzenegger Nazi Nexus

By BOB FITRAKIS and HARVEY WASSERMAN

George W. Bush's grandfather helped finance the Nazi Party. Karl Rove's grandfather allegedly helped run the Nazi Party, and helped build the Birkenau Death Camp. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Austrian father volunteered for the infamous Nazi SA and became a ranking officer.

Together, they have destabilized California and are on the brink of bringing it a new Reich. With the Schwarzenegger candidacy they have laid siege to America's largest state, lining it up for the 2004 election.

The Bush family ties to the Nazi party are well known. In their 1994 Secret War Against the Jews, Mark Aarons and John Loftus use official US documents to establish that George Herbert Walker, George W. Bush's maternal great-grandfather, was one of Hitler's most important early backers. He funneled money to the rising young fascist through the Union Banking Corporation.

In 1926, Walker arranged to have his new son-in-law, Prescott Bush---father of President George Bush I, grandfather of George Bush II---hired as Vice President at W.A. Harriman and Company. Prescott became a senior partner when Harriman merged with a British-American investment company to become Brown Brothers Harriman. In 1934 Prescott Bush joined the Board of Directors of Union Banking.

The bank helped Hitler rise to power. It also helped him wage war. As late as July 31, 1941---well after the Nazi invasion of Poland---the U.S. government froze $3 million in Union Banking assets linked to Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen was noted in the American press as a "German industrialist and original backer of Adolph Hitler."

Loftus writes that Thyssen's "American friends in New York Cityâ¤|[were] Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker, the father and father-in-law of a future President of the United States." That would be the current president's father, George Herbert Walker Bush, also the former CIA director.

On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi Germany's banking operations in New York City, which were under the direction of Prescott Bush. The government seized control of Union Banking Corporation under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The liquidation yielded a reported $750,000 apiece for Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker. The book, The Splendid Blonde Beast: Money, Law and Genocide, goes into exhaustive detail on Bush-Harriman Nazi money laundering. More recently, Michael Kranish covers the same Bush-Nazi relationships in The Rise of the Bush Family Dynasty published in the Boston Globe. Loftus documents that "Prescott Bush knowingly served as a money launderer for the Nazis. Remember that Union Bank's books and accounts were frozen by the U.S. Alien Property Custodian in 1942 and not released back to the Bush family until 1951."

Often ignored are the Bush family's post-World War II dealings with former Nazis. John Foster Dulles, who had worked with the Bush family in the Harriman Company in laundering money for Nazi Germany, was Dwight Eisenhower's Secretary of State. His brother Allen became CIA director.

As Martin Lee documents in The Beast Reawakens, American intelligence recruited numerous top Nazis to spy on the Soviets during the Cold War. Many established connections to the Bush family that had helped finance their original rise to power. In 1988 Project Censored, in its top award, noted "how the major mass media ignored, overlooked or undercovered at least ten critical stories reported in America's alternative press that raised serious questions about the Republican candidate, George Bush, dating from his reported role as a CIA 'asset' in 1963 to his presidential campaign's connection with a network of anti-Semites with Nazi and fascist affiliations in 1988." Investigative reporter Russ Bellant established ties between the Republican Party and former Axis Nazis and fascists.

In 2000 and 2001 the Columbus Alive published a series of articles documenting further links between Bush, Sr. and the Rev. Sun Myung Moon and his own fascist networks in Japan and Korea.

Karl Rove has parallel ties. The shadowy Rove serves as "Bush's Brain" in the current White House. He is the political mastermind behind the California coup, and is now in the headlines for outing Valerie Plame, the CIA wife of Ambassador Joseph Wilson. A consummate strategist, Rove may have outed Plame in retaliation for Wilson's failure to back up the Bush claim that Saddam Hussein was buying nuclear weapons materials in Africa. According to some published reports, as many as seventy CIA operatives have been put at risk by Rove's retaliatory strike.

According to Wilson, and to Retired U.S. Navy Lt. Commander Al Martin (www.almartinraw.com), Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp, at which tens of thousands of Jews, Gypsies, dissidents and other were slaughtered en masse.

Rove, who has been based in Utah and associated with the Mormon Church, is widely viewed as the chief engineer of the current Bush administration. He and Tom DeLay are attempting to force the Texas legislature to redistrict its Congressional delegations, adding seven sure seats to the Republican column. By controlling the state houses in New York, Florida, Texas and California, the GOP would have a lock on the four largest states in the union, and thus the ability to manipulate vote counts and strip voter registration rolls in the run-up to the 2004 election.

Rove is a prime behind-the-scenes mover in the Schwarzenegger campaign. On May 1, 1939, a year after the Nazis took control of Schwarzenegger's native Austria, his father Gustav, voluntarily joined Hilter's infamous Strumabteilung (SA), "brown shirt" stormtroopers. This was just six months after the brown shirts played a key role in the bloody Kristallnacht attacks on Germany's Jewish community.

The Vienna daily Der Standard noted recently that "Gustav, a high-ranking Nazi, brought up the bespectacled, rather frail boy with an iron fist and quite a few slaps in the face." Arnold's father favored a Hitler-style mustache in photos.

On October 3, ABC News broke the story of Schwarzenegger's 1977 interview in which he was asked whom he admired. Schwarzenegger replied, "I admire Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power. I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it."

To cover himself, Schwarzenegger has made substantial donations to the Los Angeles-based Wiesenthal Center, which tracks down ex-Nazis. Arnold has also renounced Hitler.

But he has not renounced his friendship with fellow Austrian Kurt Waldheim, the one-time head of the United Nations with known Nazi ties. The book Arnold: An Unauthorized Biography, documents Arnold toasting Waldheim, who had participated in Nazi atrocities during World War II, at his wedding to Maria Shriver. "My friends don't want me to mention Kurt's name, because of all the recent Nazi stuff and the U.N. controversy," Arnold said. "But I love him and Maria does to, and so thank you, Kurt."

On May 17, 2001, Schwarzenegger also met with Kenneth "Kenny Boy" Lay of Enron at the Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles. Through the utility deregulation plan signed into law by Pete Wilson, Schwarzenegger's chief advisor, California was destabilized, bankrupting the state government and opening the door for Tuesday's recall election. Lay has been George W. Bush's chief financial backer, and a close associate of Karl Rove's.

According to Bob Woodward's Bush at War, Bush attended a New York Yankees game soon after the September 11 World Trade Center disaster. He wore a fireman's jacket. As he threw out the first pitch, the crowd roared. Thousands of fans stuck out their arms with thumbs up. Karl Rove, sitting in the box of Yankee owner George Steinbrenner, likened the roar of the crowd to "a Nazi rally."

He would know.

Bob Fitrakis's Spooks, Nuke & Nazis is now available at www.freepress.org. He is co-author with Harvey Wasserman of The SuperPower of Peace v. Bush et. al.. available November 1.

Harvey Wasserman is author of Harvey Wasserman's History of the United States and co-author (with Bob Fitrakis) of The Superpower of Peace v. Bush, et. al., soon available from www.freepress.org.

Wasserman can be reached at: harvey@freepress.org

That is why I thought General Clark's response to Joe Lieberman's obscenely casual call for war with Iran was so appropriate and piercing:
Only someone who never wore the uniform or thought seriously about national security would make threats at this point.
Clark there was not making a standard "chickenhawk" argument that only those who served in the military can advocate for war. Rather, Clark was pointing out that those for whom "war" is but an abstract concept, a psychological device for feeling "strong" and "resolute," are able to cheer wars on from a safe distance even in the most reckless and destructive way.

why don't you go kill some judges to make yourself feel better, razorback?

'Virtually the entire show is now devoted to an overt celebration of masculinity -- by Rush Limbaugh -- and to claims that Democrats and liberals lack masculinity.

As but one example, Rush claimed that the New York Times buried the story of the JFK terrorist plot on page C30, immediately prior to the Sports Section, because nobody would see it there, because the "wimps and sissies who read the New York Times don't read the Sports section, because it's too macho for them."

And just as Glenn Reynolds has done, Rush has developed a virtual obsession with the book The Dangerous Book for Boys, geared towards teaching "boys how to be boys." Rush spent the week hailing it as the antidote to what he calls the "Emasculation of America."

Identically, Reynolds on his blog has promoted the book a disturbing 17 times in the last six weeks alone. When doing so, he routinely proclaims things such as "maybe there's hope," and -- most revealingly -- has fretted: "Are we turning into a nation of wimps?" It is the identity of the "we" in that sentence where all the meaning lies. Perhaps if "we" torture enough bound and gagged prisoners and bomb enough countries, "we" can rid ourselves of that worry.

Republicans have long tried to exploit masculinity images and depict Democrats and liberals as effeminate and therefore weak. That is not new. But what is new is how explicit and upfront and unabashed this all is now. And what is most striking about it is that -- literally in almost every case -- the most vocal crusaders for Hard-Core Traditional Masculinity, the Virtues of Machismo, are the ones who so plainly lack those qualities on every level.'

and who is the biggest advertiser on rush's show -- remedies for ED. you R boys got a problem, and you know it. tht's why you're so scared of gays.

Yeah its a real beer and pretzles party time for some of the libs. Terrorists get released, Scooter goes to jail. Maybe some baby raper will get his death sentence overturned, then we can have a real party.

here's a good example of the media's mancrush on R candidates -- chris matthews crush on fred thompson -- really weird

'I've written a fair amount recently about the media's obsession with the faux-masculinity of GOP candidates in general, and the tough-guy military persona of Fred Thompson in particular, and don't have all that much to add about that specific topic at the moment. Still, this dialogue last night about Fred Thompson from Chris Matthews -- who is really just the slightly less restrained id version of most media stars -- is simply too extraordinary not to note:

Does [Fred Thompson] have s*x appeal? I'm looking at this guy and I'm trying to find out the new order of things, and what works for women and what doesn't. Does this guy have some sort of thing going for him that I should notice? . . .

Gene, do you think there's a s*x appeal for this guy, this sort of mature, older man, you know? He looks sort of seasoned and in charge of himself. What is this appeal? Because I keep star quality. You were throwing the word out, shining star, Ana Marie, before I checked you on it. . . .

Can you smell the English leather on this guy, the Aqua Velva, the sort of mature man's shaving cream, or whatever, you know, after he shaved? Do you smell that sort of -- a little bit of cigar smoke? You know, whatever.

Nancy Pelosi, one of the richest members of Congress, wants the taxpayers to pay for the companion air travel of her adult children.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/dod-braces-for-a-fight-with-pelosi-2007-06-14.html

Why not pay for your own %$#*&&^ air travel?

The rule of law has won the day. Scootr's going to jail. Of course he will be filing an emergency appeal, but there's a good chance he'll go to jail in 6-8 weeks.

The judge wasn't intimidated by the many death threats he got. Of course, some right wing nut will try to kill his children, as they threatened, but hopefully the FBI can protect them.

go on, bore us to death, razorback, you're good at that.

For the last few years, the press has been eagerly flaunting the meme that republicans are 'strong' and 'resolute' [they all use the same language] and democrats are 'weak' and 'indecisive' -- adam nagrourney of the ny times runs such a story at least once a week, for instance. These are frames created by people like rove and limbaugh and Drudge, which you can see CC loves, as do most of the pundits.

For presidential candidates, this is especially true. Look how they went after Gore's 'earth tones' -- a nothing story -- to make him look feminine. And Kerry of course -- how many hundreds of stories were written calling him a flipflopper? And going back, ridiculing evry dem since Kennedy.

Obviously they can't do that with Hillary, because they have demonized her as a b*tch -- so the theme they've settled on is that she isn't likable. Because THEY don't like her. I've seen dozens of stories already.

But of course they have been trying actively to emasculate Obama and Edwards and now to smear richardson as a womanizer, since they can't feminize him.

But note the paeans of praise you will see them lavish on all the R's -- so strong, so manly. They even managed to do it GW Bush -- the head of the CHEERLEADING squad in college, a wimp and deserter during wartime.

If Arnold runs against Boxer all she'll have to do is run pics of McConnell in every add because that would be who a vote for a repub would be for. Not to mention the likes of Inhoff or that other creep from Ok. who says abortionists should get the death penalty.

I intend to follow up all of che's posts with a note that his chosen pen name is that of one of the few individuals in all of world history who as actually advocated NUKING the United States.

Could you stop repeating the same post over and over again? But I guess that's all you do, day after day.

Is this the same che who, along with Castro, urged a nuclear strike on the United States?

"It took thirty years before I found out," McNamara said, "that there were already nuclear arms on Cuba: 162 charges, of which 90 were tactical nuclear weapons."

McNamara received this information at a meeting with Fidel Castro. He asked Castro three questions: 1) Did you know? 2) If so, what did you recommend? 3) What would the consequences for Cuba have been? Castro answered: "I knew. I strongly recommended that nuclear weapons be used. I knew it would lead to Cuba's annihilation." Castro, and to a stronger degree, his comrade Che Guevara, were willing to let Cuba go up in smoke in order to make their country a martyr in the world revolutionary struggle!"

How much health care would we have needed if the United States had been NUKED like Che Guevara hoped for?

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Schwarzenegger budget to slash health and education in California

By Rafael Azul and Jerry Isaacs

California's Republican governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, outlined a budget proposal January 9 that constitutes a massive assault on health, education and other social service programs upon which millions of people in the state rely.

The $99 billion budget is aimed at eliminating a $14.3 billion gap between expected tax revenues and expenditures. It will include $4.6 billion in cuts, $1 billion in fund shifts from gasoline taxes (by postponing road construction projects) and an additional $2 billion reduction in education spending. In addition, the budget mandates a $729 million cut from higher education and a $165 million reduction from child-care programs for school goers.

The budget also forces state employees to pay an additional five percent of their wages into their pensions, to pay off state borrowing. Nearly one-tenth of the state budget gap will be shifted to local governments, as $1.3 billion in property taxes due to cities and counties will be siphoned off to the state.

There will also be a severe reduction in health and welfare services, in a state where six million residents have no health insurance and 60 hospitals have shut over the last decade. Administration officials admit that more than 110,000 poor Californians will lose health insurance due to the cuts, which include $880 million from Medi-Cal and $10 million from public health services. The state's welfare program for mothers with dependent children--Cal-Works--will lose $790 million, while $126 million will be slashed from in-home services, $134 million from Supplemental Income payments and an additional $800 million from other health services.

It is hard to exaggerate the human impact of the proposed budget. Counties, already strapped for cash, will be forced to lay off thousands of employees. The budget will reduce public assistance benefits for 481,000 poor families, including childcare services, while stiffening work requirements. Enrollment for the state universities will be capped and those that enter will face increasing costs and fewer and smaller grants. Health services for the young and poor will be capped. Programs will be curtailed at youth correctional facilities.

Under conditions in which 1.13 million people are unemployed in the state and a record number of families have been dropped from employer-provided health insurance, cities and counties will be forced to engage in yet another round of clinic and hospital closures. The non-profit Health Access organization calculated that if this budget passes, hundreds of thousands of Californians would lose all access to health care.

Tuition and fees for California university students will increase ten percent for undergraduates and about 40 percent for graduate students. Community college fees will increase by a whopping 44 percent, on top of last year's 64 percent increase. Many low-income students who currently qualify for Cal-grants scholarships will find that they are no longer eligible. There have been published estimates that the higher tuition will cut incoming UC and Cal State freshman classes by 10 percent--7,200 young people who will be denied access to college education.

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