That too drindle. They much much bigger worries than leakin plame's name. ALthough that IS treason. I hope that once they are out of office the questions continue. Our furutre depends on these people NOT getting away with MURDER.

I understand your point Bokonon but you missed mine. What in heaven's name could induce Bill Clinton to pardon a Democratic Congressman that was a convicted child rapist who was into child pornography? What info did he have on Bill Clinton? The only logical reason seems to be Bill Clinton was protecting himself, just like you accuse Bush of doing. The Reynolds pardon makes no sense unless Bill got something from it. The 140 drug dealers, kidnappers, child molesters and others that Clinton pardoned can be found at: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/pardons6b.htm. Plus, you know every one of them was reviewed and approved by Hillary, or as Bill himself put it, the co-president at the time.

'drindl: I think the outing of a covert agent by anyone in our goverment would be considered treason.'

Indeed. It was treason -- and it was perpetrated by Cheney, for his buds at Halliburton and Exxon and all the other war profiteers who are feasting big time on america's taxpayer dollars and driving us into debt.

i think releasing the name is the less of his "treason" worries. Now working with the saudi's to attack america so he can close his grip on America. Now that is real treason. That is what he needs to worry about. But, however he goes down is not as important as HIM GOING DOWN. Think about the future. Would you like this to continue. Like bush is trying to use clinton's presidency to say presidents are being set. imagine the next. Will he be able to do the same things as bush? Would we want him to? If not we need to hold these guys accountable so the next guy is scared to take it this far. 40 years each would do that just fine

Lylepink. I like :) Treason?

Alright. That doesn't make you as "bad" as me. That just means your starting to see. Alright lylepink. Not an attack at all. I'm glad to see you coming around.

what is the punishment ofr treason, these days? I know what it used to be. We can at least give bush and his cronies (cheaney, tenat, gonzales, so on so forth) 40 years each right? That's not as bad as the old penalty for treason. They would be getting of lite with 40 years each :)

drindl: I think the outing of a covert agent by anyone in our goverment would be considered treason. This, in my way of thinking, is why no underlying crime was charged since the underlying crime would indeed be treason. The extent of this, and those who were involved, most likely will never be known for sure. Several articles have stated the Nixon matter fails in comparision, and I totally agree in that lives were put on the line and our intellegence community suffered a huge setback.

badgerone, I'm not keeping score, and do not feel that as a Democrat, I am required to balance my criticism of sth of which I do not approve with criticism of sth else of which I did not approve. Moreover, Bush's pardon of Libby is a self-interested move, which ensures that Libby cannot be made (for 5th Amendment reasons) to testify against anyone in the Administration (definitely including Cheney, possibly also including Bush) regarding offenses which would probably lead to impeachment of both men. As odious as the crimes of which Reynolds is accused are, his release did not protect Clinton from anything. There's your difference right there.

This is why you people are done. Shutting rosie down for saying what you don't like. Well, I don't like what you people say. Do I have the right to shut you down? You are not God's. Your avatars are nothing but greedy little piggies. They are not gods.

You have a couple months. Enjoy them. Stop the hate. After a few months you will be out of the political realm. Take advantage of the time you have. Stop talking bout me. Stop talking about haitcuts. You have a couple months. Use it constructivly

Are you also having second thoughts on whter Fox "news" should STILL be on the air, rush? I sure am. Does that mean that I can get them off the air? It's up to you, conservatives. I guess you make the laws. We'RE just living in your world, right? Freedom?

The most disturbing pardon of all time has to be the pardon of Clinton supporter and Democratic Congressman Mel Reynolds. Reynolds had been convicted on August 22, 1995, on 12 counts of sexual assault of a 16-year-old girl, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography. Later he was convicted on 15 counts of bank fraud and lying to the FEC and SEC. This was a child rapist involved in child pornography. But, he received a Clinton pardon. Just one of you, please explain the Reynolds pardon to the American people before uttering Scooter Libby's name again.

As for rufus, golgi may be right. Rufus has made me rethink the wide open, no censorship nature of this blog. I'm inclined to agree with you on rufus now. When is enough, enough? We're way past that point.

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As always with conservative hypocrites. "I should be free to do what I want, but anyone not like me must be silenced."

do it zouk. You silence me you silence zouk. You take me off here you must remove Rush/O'REilly/Hannity/Malkin/Ingram/Savage/Drudge.

Are you willing to do that? Free speech right. This is why they are done. You can't have your cake and eat it too. NOW YOU KNWO WHY IWANT THEM OFF TEH AIR.

Practice what you preach you fascist hypocrites.

Don't be a slave to CC Alan. He is a propogandist. Talking about what they tell you to, only. That's not freedom. don't limit yourself liek that. CC/ Rush/O'rEilly/Hannity are not your avatars. You are free.

Don't ban me. I'm just here to make sure zouk is balanced out. You can only combat hate with love. intolerance with understanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_Krishnamurti

Don't be a slave to CC Alan. He is a propogandist. Talking about what they tell you to, only. That's not freedom. don't limit yourself liek that. CC/ Rush/O'rEilly/Hannity are not your avatars. You are feel.

Don't ban me. I'm just here to make sure zouk is balanced out. You can only combat hate with love. intolerance with understanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_Krishnamurti

Alan - when we ignored him, Zouk used to behave himself. That seems to be a thing of the past.

As for rufus, golgi may be right. Rufus has made me rethink the wide open, no censorship nature of this blog. I'm inclined to agree with you on rufus now. When is enough, enough? We're way past that point.

If they are not the same person, which is possible, I think both zouk and rufus should be banned for their relentless flooding of this site. They have made the discussion unweildy in size so that you have to do a lot of scanning just to find someone who actually had something to say about micro targeting.

The fact is, lyle, the CIA themselves referred the Plame case to the Justice Department for investigation -- for one reason only: because she was covert and it is illeegal to out a covert agent.

No matter how the wingers try to spin it, those are the facts.

All the regulars this AM have been right on target. The Libby commute will not go away and the evidence of Mrs. Plame Wilson being covert appears to me to be overwhelming despite the many claims and articles stating otherwise. I am still a little confused about the arguement about no underlying crime being comitted. The political cartoons and comics, I get daily by e-mail, and can login to the site anytime to read the daily and reread any from years past, btw, and the archives goes back to the early 90s on some of them. I think the cost is $19.95 a year, I haven't checked my account for some time, though it is well worth the pennies a day.

Reality hasn't changed. Only the conservatives have changed( since the elcetions ONLY)

As to the spelling errors. I do that to draw the authoritarians in. If they can't attack something they have nothing to say. In some cases. Just tryin gto be as inclusive as possible

"My theory is that there is a Rufus club and all the members are on more or less the same wavelength about what kinds of things to post. But they aren't all the same person, so there is a little bit of variety. The misspellings are just to add distracting clutter so that any differences between posts go unnoticed. The different names are because it is a fun club, not some sort of a conspiracy, so they don't get obsessed with hiding their tracks. Each one just posts whenever he/she feels like it, under her/his own Rufus name. The club nature is out in the open."

WOW. Thank you for the complimint. You think I'm so enlightened I'm many differant people. WOW. Thanks guys. Nope. Just me. No0t crazy. Not a robot. Just a man. Just an angry young man. Who has been waiting for accountability for 6 years.

I have seen the lies you have missed. I am angry because you people have not been listening and only since the 06 election sweep, have changed. I have been the same since 2001. Only you have changed.

Unclear. There might be one Rufus. There might be several. My theory is that "Rufus" is a computer program that automatically generates posts by combining several phrases ("zouk is a fascist", "Rush is bad", etc.) in a random order, then running the result through a filter to mess up the spelling. "

:)

And here I thought republicans were clones/robots. Look at Michelle AMlkin's eyes. Tell me she's not a robot.

Golgi - interesting theory on rufus. There are a lot of reasons to accept, especially the random clarity and the 24/7 nature of his postings.

Oddly enough, the president used to be fairly responsible when describing al Qaeda's role in Iraqi violence. Not too terribly long ago, Bush described "the terrorists affiliated with or inspired by al Qaeda" -- not even the network itself -- as the "smallest" component of violence in Iraq.

As the political winds shifted, so too did the administration's rhetoric. In May, Bush declared that al Qaeda is "public enemy No. 1 in Iraq." A few days ago, he reiterated the point at the Naval War College, describing al Qaeda as "the main enemy" in Iraq.

The point is as subtle as a sledgehammer. If the administration can transform al Qaeda from a minor player in Iraq to the sole purpose for our ongoing presence, simply through rhetorical games, Bush might reframe the debate: us vs. them. Americans against those responsible for 9/11. Forces of freedom vs. forces of terrorism.

I understand the appeal of such a dynamic -- it would make the war in Iraq so much easier -- but it's simply, unquestionably wrong. Worse, it's a shamelessly cynical ploy to rally public support under false pretenses. Americans don't support U.S. staying in the middle of a civil war, but maybe, the White House thinks, Americans will support a war against al Qaeda. It's a transparent con job.

Blarg,

There is one difference between Bloomberg and the other two - Bloomberg has actually governed. Thompson and Obama are current or former legislators. Of course, governing New York City is different from governing the US but it is more experience than most of the front line candidates.

I thought this was an interesting piece, from an insider...

'As a longtime attorney at the U.S. Department of Justice, I can honestly say that I have never been as ashamed of the department and government that I serve as I am at this time.
The public record now plainly demonstrates that both the DOJ and the government as a whole have been thoroughly politicized in a manner that is inappropriate, unethical and indeed unlawful. The unconscionable commutation of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby's sentence, the misuse of warrantless investigative powers under the Patriot Act and the deplorable treatment of U.S. attorneys all point to an unmistakable pattern of abuse.

In the course of its tenure since the Sept. 11 attacks, the Bush administration has turned the entire government (and the DOJ in particular) into a veritable Augean stable on issues such as civil rights, civil liberties, international law and basic human rights, as well as criminal prosecution and federal employment and contracting practices. It has systematically undermined the rule of law in the name of fighting terrorism, and it has sought to insulate its actions from legislative or judicial scrutiny and accountability by invoking national security at every turn, engaging in persistent fearmongering, routinely impugning the integrity and/or patriotism of its critics, and protecting its own lawbreakers. This is neither normal government conduct nor "politics as usual," but a national disgrace of a magnitude unseen since the days of Watergate - which, in fact, I believe it eclipses.

In more than a quarter of a century at the DOJ, I have never before seen such consistent and marked disrespect on the part of the highest ranking government policymakers for both law and ethics.

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_6308408

"The soldiers think they can win," reads Bill Kristol's subhead in The Weekly Standard while "some Senators lose their nerve."
This conflation of the actual physical courage exhibited by soldiers risking their lives in a war with the alleged courage demonstrated by pro-war pundits and politicians in advocating that the lives of others be risked is surely the most annoying tick of America's War Party. War is hard. Favoring war is easy. The distinction isn't difficult to grasp."

The cowardice of chickenhawks is despicable beyond belief.

I still don't see the appeal of Fred Thompson. He's a minor actor who served one term in the Senate, and hasn't done anything political in years. And yet a lot of Republicans seem to be excited about his candidacy.

Maybe Thompson's appeal is that he's a blank slate. You can imagine him doing whatever you want him to do. Conservatives think he'll be a good solid Reaganite because that's what they want him to be. If you're against the war, you can imagine him ending it. If you're in favor of the war, you can imagine him running it better and making progress. There's little evidence of what kind of president he'd be, so you can think he'll be the kind of president you want.

Bloomberg is also a blank slate. He's rich, and he's an independent. Even though it's not at all clear what he'd do as president, there are people who want to elect him just because he's someone different. Obama was a blank slate in 2004, when people said he should be president because of one good speech. He's not a blank slate anymore, but that was a lot of his appeal at first.

And, of course, the media doesn't help. There are nearly 20 declared candidates, but the media would rather speculate about who might run than discuss the people who are actually running.

My last two posts are to call attention to columns that underscore how this administration is not dealing with reality. The history of the Iraq fiasco is a giant exercise in dealing with the world as they wish it to be rather than as it is. The neo-cons ridiculed General Shineski for saying we would need several hundred thousand troops for an occupation of Iraq. The neo-cons predicted that Iraqi oil revenue would pay for the costs of the war. The neo-cons predicted that the Iraqi population would strew flowers at the feet of our troops a la Paris 1944. The neo-cons restricted planning for the occupation to a small group of true believers - people who might actually know something about the culture and history and society in Iraq were not welcome. There is quote attributed by various people to Ben Franklin, Mark Twain or Albert Einstein (and may not have been said by any of them) that "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result." Doesn't that seem applicable to the current situation in Iraq?

Incidentally, I emphatically oppose a withdrawal of US troops. But we do need a re-deployment and a new strategy. The surge seems to be having the same effect as squeezing a water baloon - you squeeze and the water goes elsewhere.

'(CNN)-On the spot from local media, Rudy Giuliani revealed what he has been reading to prepare for a NASCAR race Saturday night. "Its a female guide to NASCAR. It was given to me by the person who wrote it," the former New York mayor told reporters in Jacksonville, Florida. "She participated in a fund raiser for me, she's an expert on NASCAR." Giuliani said his advisors had also suggested "NASCAR for Dummies" but he had not read that yet.

"I've watched NASCAR on television before, I haven't gone to one. I'm real excited about it," he said when conceding he was a relative newcomer to the sport. "I did go to a track once in Kentucky and drive around," during a fund raiser for Senator Jim Bunning of Kentucky.

Giuliani was campaigning in Jacksonville and Orlando on Saturday. He was to attend the 49th annual Pepsi 400 NASCAR Nextel Cup Series at Daytona International Speedway in Daytona, Florida Saturday night.'

I was curious after I saw this posted earlier whether any other media outlets would pick it up -- I'm sure if it was a democrat, it would be all over the front pages. But the con media doesn't want to depict republicans as effeminate-- it goes against their type-casting.

There are dozens of pictures of Rudy in drag -- several of Donald Trump kissing his bosom in fact. Can you imagine if one of the dem canddiates has this in his past? Can you imagine how the debate would be raging among the Serious Pundits about how could someone who liked to dress in drag be taken seriously as The Leader of the Free World?

But not a peep. Not a mention. What a rigged, partiasan joke our national media is.

'For that matter so does the real King of Zouk, who does not seem like a club.'

Unless you count the 'club for growth' and the RNC and the C of C.

Berke Breathed's cartoon "Opus" yesterday in the Sunday comics is about Fred Thompson and is very funny.
http://wpcomics.washingtonpost.com/client/wpc/wpopu/2007/07/08/

Jackson Diehl discusses the unrealistic expectations of US and Israeli policy makers over the Palestinian situation:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/08/AR2007070800924.html

My theory is that there is a Rufus club and all the members are on more or less the same wavelength about what kinds of things to post. But they aren't all the same person, so there is a little bit of variety. The misspellings are just to add distracting clutter so that any differences between posts go unnoticed. The different names are because it is a fun club, not some sort of a conspiracy, so they don't get obsessed with hiding their tracks. Each one just posts whenever he/she feels like it, under her/his own Rufus name. The club nature is out in the open.

But whatever. Who cares. I can't see a reason why a Rufus club of the kind I just speculated about would be bad, it's just a different way to use a blog.

And I have to say, once in a while a Rufus club member says something that I like. Rarely, but once in a while, yes. For that matter so does the real King of Zouk, who does not seem like a club.

Look at Novak's column today -it tells an interesting story about how out of touch the administration is with Republican sentiment in the Senate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/08/AR2007070800923.html

'He had a part in this case and hated Libby b/c of it, that's why he went after him now.'

He 'went after him' you moron because the CIA asked that the outing of their covert agent be investigated, and Fitzgerald, a republican, was assigned to be special prosecutor.

And LIBBY LIED. Libby committed a crime. Libby LIED to cover up Dick Cheney's instigation of the outing of an important covert agent to silence anyone who would interfere with cheney's lies that led to the Iraq invasion and occupation.

Cheney was willing to break any law, to commit any crime, to get Halliburton and Exxon Mobil into Iraq. And voila! He got everything he wanted... and he's made billions off of it.

This is all about war profiterring and privatization and oil company profits, nothing more. Except of course for a lot of dead young americans and iraqis.

blarg -- zouk runs through the same range of subjects EVERY SINGLE DAY. nobody could be more repeitive about 'dems' 'libs' harry reid. nancy pelosi, etc.

Unclear. There might be one Rufus. There might be several. My theory is that "Rufus" is a computer program that automatically generates posts by combining several phrases ("zouk is a fascist", "Rush is bad", etc.) in a random order, then running the result through a filter to mess up the spelling. After all, no human could make so many posts saying exactly the same thing.

Face the facts and no more red herrings please, Libby violated his public trust when he lied and is paying the price for it. I believe he already paid the $250,000.

--Libby didn't pay for it himself. His defense/slush fund [headed by none other than good ole Fred Thompson, his backer and enabler] raised 5 million from neo-cons [undoubtedly ripped off from US taxpayers in one nefariious no-bid way or another] and paid it off within 24 hours.

Libby will suffer nothing from this. Nothing. He's a loyal Project for a New Century man, and he will be rewarded for his efforts. He will be fully pardoned once the danger passes of him testifying about bush and cheney's involvement in the outing of Miss Plame, a covert agent

'WASHINGTON - An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.'

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/

A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. If caught in that status she would have been executed.

The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey. Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/13/04720/9340

Wilson held non-official cover (NOC) status at the time of the public disclosure of her classified covert CIA identity in a syndicated American newspaper column, published on 14 July 2003, by Robert Novak, who identified Mrs. Wilson, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, as "an agency operative on weapons of mass destruction" named "Valerie Plame."

Beginning in mid-June 2003, according to federal court records, Bush administration officials, including Richard Armitage and Scooter Libby, discussed with various reporters[1][2] the employment of a classified, covert, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) agent, Valerie E. Wilson (also known as Valerie Plame). On July 14, 2003, a newspaper column entitled "Mission to Niger" by Robert Novak disclosed Plame's name and status as an "operative" who worked in a CIA division on the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Mrs. Wilson's husband, Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, stated in various interviews and subsequent writings (as listed in his 2004 memoir The Politics of Truth) that his wife's identity was covert and that members of the administration knowingly revealed it as retribution for his op-ed entitled "What I Didn't Find in Africa", published in The New York Times on July 6, 2003.[3]

On September 16, 2003 the CIA sent a letter to the US Department of Justice, asserting that Plame's status as a CIA undercover operative was classified information and requesting a federal investigation. Knowingly leaking the identity of a covert agent is a criminal violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA), and the CIA is required by law to report any such possible criminal violations'

She was involved in nuclear non-proliferation and the US entire non-proliferation covert network was breached.This is how much cheney/bush care about national security. Not at all.

all they wanted was their war for oil.

Speaking of names, there's a 'rufus' and a 'rufus1133'.

Same guy (or gal)?

The New York Times leads with the growing debate within the White House over whether President Bush should announce a plan to start gradually withdrawing troops from Iraq in order to avoid more Republicans from speaking up against the war. Although administration officials were hoping to avoid this kind of talk until the much-anticipated progress report in September, waiting no longer seems to be an option. "Sept. 15 now looks like an end point for debate, not a starting point," one official tells the paper.

And get ready for the new catchphrase as administration officials are apparently calling this a "post-surge redeployment."

LOL -- put a little more lipstick on that pig -- they call it 'cut and run' until THEY do it, then it becomes 'post-surge' tapdance...

"Nobody knows who you are so the name is simply a charade anyway...On top of that, how many times do you see a name and have a conditioned reflex to the content, before you even read it?"

If the name is a charade, then there isn't any relationship between the name on a post and the content of that post. But, as you just said, the content is usually closely related to the name. So the name isn't a charade.

The name on a post matters because it gives context to the contents. Once you've been here a while, you get to know peoples' backgrounds and political preferences. If MikeB praised Hillary's latest speech, that would be a big deal. If Lylepink praised that same speech, it wouldn't matter as much, because we know that she's his favorite candidate. It's about context.

You could argue that you don't want context for your posts; you want people to consider each of your posts for their merits, not for who you are. But that's not going to happen, because there are preconceptions about anonymous posts also. There's so much crap posted anonymously: unattributed bits of news articles, stupid jokes, insults, etc. People are more likely to skip over anonymous posts than signed ones, and less likely to reply. By not signing your posts, you're saying that you don't care if anyone actually reads what you say, and you aren't interested in a conversation. And if that's true, why are you here?

If a junk-mail junkie like Rove uses microtargeting, it's got to work. MoveOn used it in its Call for Change get-out-the-vote phone campaign in 2006, and it quite possibly was responsible for the unexpected Senate win, especially in Virignia for Jim Webb.

reason: I think the big question still remains as to the status of Mrs. Plame Wilson at the time of her outing. Several stories about her have neither proved she was covert or not. Claims have been made both ways, and I have tried to find out one way or the other, and there have been about the same number of stories claiming she was and wasn't. Based on this Administration, and their penchant for spreading false information, I tend to think she was indeed covert.

Blank poster just showed himself to be zouk. Zouk is also razor.

For anybody that thinks there coming here to maKE real POLITICAL POINTS.

Reason?

reason, so what if Fitzgerald had been an adversary of Libby before. That happens all of the time in an adversarial system.

Look at how long it took Joe DiGenova and his successors (and at what cost to the taxpayers) to get Marion Barry and they had to "set him up" to do it. But they did it and got away with it without criticism.

Even if Fitzgerald was on a mission to get Libby, he could not have completed it if Libby didn't lie.

Face the facts and no more red herrings please, Libby violated his public trust when he lied and is paying the price for it. I believe he already paid the $250,000.

Pointless argument yuou are making reason. Who appoint Fitz? The neo-cons always hope on these kind of arguments to "make everything all better."

Who appointed fitz? Harkening back to Clinton is no excuse. Obstruction of justice at the highest levals. You see it, I see it. Let's be real here. Who are you trying to convince nothing here is improper? Yourself?

rufus, thank you for validating my 10:57 a.m. post.

lyle, it was nothing personal. MarkD was correct the oxymoron was the juxtaposition of HRC and rational all of the time. If you had said pragmatic all of the time, the door would not have been opened.

'roo, I think that rufus is beyond those genteel concepts of socialism, he wants to bring down the evil capitalist structure. A joke in the early nineties was that it was ironic that the reason for the fall of communism was that you couldn't make a buck at it. There is an element of truth to that. rufus doesn't get it, he's on a wavelength that doesn't reach the rest of us.

And nobody made a good case for having to provide a name. The best I saw was straight out of Miss Manners, it is rude. Miss Manners doesn't trump logic in my book. Nobody knows who you are so the name is simply a charade anyway. On top of that, how many times do you see a name and have a conditioned reflex to the content, before you even read it? When I've seen Drindl, JD, Bokonon, ProudtobeGOP, MikeB, Lylepink, bhoomes and many others I've already got an idea as to what's going to be in the post before I even read it.

Truth Hunter, Patrick Fitzgerald became a US attorney in New York City in 1988. Libby worked for Marc Rich until 2000 in that case. Libby vs. Fitzgerald did happen and that was the whole issue in the Libby obstruction of justice/perjury cases. Fitzgerald worked on that case and so did Libby. Read it for yourself. Let's look at the facts. Libby and Fitzgerald were both in New York from 1988 on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Fitzgerald
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich

The argument that both were not in NYC at the same time is completely and utterly false. During this time, Fitzgerald did some work on the Rich case and that began a rough fued with Libby. These websites are proof they were both in NYC in 1988. The case continued until 2000, and Libby represented Rich until 2000. Fitzgerald didn't leave NY until 2001. He had a part in this case and hated Libby b/c of it, that's why he went after him now.

Who spends hours/days attacking a crazy person? How many people in the crazy house get messed poked at all day? What would that accomplish? How many bums do people yell at nonstop all day, everyday? Not many I would think

Thank you for showing your face zouk. Your scared. I know I'm on the right track. My only question is what scares you the most? Is it what I think should be done in regards to moving AMerica away from me-first (screw everybody else) capitalism, or my accusations (nazi's bush saudi/nazi/baath party ties)? Just curious.

All is truth refardless. Anybody that cares to is a click away. HAHAHAHAHA. YOu are a funny guy

Mark in Austin: I was thinking of years ago when we had the Justice of the Peace and Constables system. I seem to recall that a Constable was the only one that could arrest the POTUS, and by that reasoning could be brought to trial without impeachment, which is simular to a Grand Jury. I think this would be a good research problem for law students, although I doubt any law like this exists.

A democratic socialist is crazy, but a neo-conservative is just "responsible"

Silence the socialist. They are "crazy" for not blindly marching to the drumbeat fo a fascists.

Neither is crazy ( fascsim Socialism). They are merly forms of population control. Anyone who would claim so SHOWS THEIR FACE. The proof is in the puddin'.

Read past posts and see who is carzy. See who posts truths and facts and who resorts to "I know you are but what I'm I personal attacks" non-stop all day. Which is more constructive? Which promotes positive change? Which stops positive change? Who defends the un-defendable.

O'REilly/Hannity trying silence Rosie O'Donnell EVERDAY for months, while claiming no one can get them off the air because of the first ammendment and "free speech"

Hypocrites. You kids are smarter than you. They have less fear also. Fear doesn't really exist. I have much respect for the Army Rangers. A ranger taught me that. And freed me in the process.

irrelevance.

For Proudgop. Don't want to confuse you

Calling someone "crazy" them attacking them everyday? What does that make you? Didn't Bill O'REilly try TAHT ALREADY AND FAIL? What is the saying, that crazy is the man who does the same thing and expect differant results. NAzi's, Bill O'REilly, ann coulter. You lost in all these cases. Stop trying the same nazi tactics. You have tried and failed at every attempt. YOu may reign for a few years, but free people will ALWAYS reject fascsim. You lost zouk. YOu have a couple months. Then you will be crying in your closet due to your irrelevant.

Your children are not as willfully ignorant as their fathers/mothers. We have the internet now. Truth is at the touch of a fingertip

Thanks for that roo. I'm not crazy. The brave hero of a blank poster is scared of me. Why else would thye feel the need to post all day everyday. Is it because I'm lying? Why waste one's time.

No. He's scared. He see's the writing on the wall. The GOP is done for a lifetime. Weather I post or not the problems will exist. At least I back my posts ( with a post name). YOu know blank poster is a scared coward who can't even control his own imiage, much less mine. YOu hit the nail on the head roo. Democratic socialism has been called oput many times but never tried. Socailism cannot exist for real without democracy. This has never happened.

With our democracy we can acheive. Zouk/blank poster knows this. That's what scares them the most. And why? Greedy selfish fascist little piggies.

"Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians by groups or persons for political or other ideological goals.[1] Most definitions of terrorism include only those acts which are intended to create fear or "terror", are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target "non-combatants".

As a form of unconventional warfare, terrorism is sometimes used when attempting to force political change by: convincing a government or population to agree to demands to avoid future harm or fear of harm, destabilization of an existing government, motivating a disgruntled population to join an uprising, escalating a conflict in the hopes of disrupting the status quo, expressing a grievance, or drawing attention to a cause."

Who does that sound like?

lylep - I actually do not think a President can be TRIED for any federal crime while in office and would have to be impeached before he could be TRIED.

But I do think he could be INDICTED, if I remember the implications of the Jones case. Then he would have to be impeached and removed before the trial could proceed.

I could be very wrong on this - I have not read the Jones case in several years and it may not have the implications for a criminal case that I am inferring from memory.

I'll bet Colin has a handle on this one. I do not claim one.

Mark in Austin: I thought that was the case in that the use of the word was applied to them instead of me. I asked on this or another blog if GW could be charged with Obstruction and brought to trial while still in office without Impeachment. Your thought??

Roo at 12:23p, that was an interesting link.

Bokonon, I saw Bloomberg and thought he could barely disguise his impatience with the "reporter" - but neither could Truman.

anonymous at 4:44p, are you the one who cuts and pastes, according to anonymous at 1:22a? Actually your RG reference was funny.

Lylep, I think someone was trying to make a joke at your expense by suggesting that it could never be rational to support HRC - thus rational support of HRC would be an oxymoron.

I was a conservative D in the time of Lloyd Bentsen, who should have been the D Pres candidate in '88.

now, if the media were actually 'liberal' they would be all over this--rudy wnts to look like he understands NASCAR folks, so he is reading a female guide to NASCAR. Wonder if he reads it in drag? Is this a girly-man or what? Again, if he was a democrat, this is all we would be hearing about him in the media for the next 2 or 6 months. But he's a republican, so one outlet will run it and it will be dead news tomorrow. Watch it:

'CNN)-On the spot from local media, Rudy Giuliani revealed what he has been reading to prepare for a NASCAR race Saturday night. "Its a female guide to NASCAR. It was given to me by the person who wrote it," the former New York mayor told reporters in Jacksonville, Florida. "She participated in a fund raiser for me, she's an expert on NASCAR." Giuliani said his advisors had also suggested "NASCAR for Dummies" but he had not read that yet.

"I've watched NASCAR on television before, I haven't gone to one. I'm real excited about it," he said when conceding he was a relative newcomer to the sport. "I did go to a track once in Kentucky and drive around," during a fund raiser for Senator Jim Bunning of Kentucky.'

roo and Truth Hunter: I agree a name to reference would be much better and those using many are being ignored. I still do not get the term "oxymoron". Explain Please.

Roo, thank you for that link... interesting. It seems to be from a British source-? or where did you find it?

And did anyone see the interview with Bloomberg on the Live Earth show last night? I'm not necessarily endorsing the show - some parts were better than others, and Al Gore actually came across as a sincere, likeable guy - but Bloomberg sounded extremely sensible, describing his new environmental program for NYC. If he seriously is planning to run, he did himself some good last night... although the interviewer didn't seem to know what she was talking about...

Anonymous said:

"wtf - All of those posts from "... ofzouk" were most likely rufus1133 trying to sabotage Zouk. rufus' fingerprints seemed to be on them, as well as his double post syndrome manifesting itself."

I doubt it. He lacks the subtlety.

"Zouk is a troll who some suspect is paid by the RNC to disrupt the discussions. He shows up around Noon most work days and almost immediately gets the thread disrupted."

Yes. Zouk should just be ignored. His diatribes are not worthy of responses.

"Rufus has become the main troll here. He's has serious psychological problems and is obviously using The Fix as some type of release, when he should be seeing a shrink. He's laughably living in the past spouting Communist Party/Daily Worker drivel. He hasn't yet realized that what he's supporting collapsed almost 20 years ago."

Actually, he seems to support the traditional quasi-socialist populist platform of the American left. You obviously have no understanding of communism, I would be happy to clear up any confusion you may have but please start at http://www.politicalcompass.org

"The interesting part is that some posters express indignation at no name being attached to a post. Yet except for a few, all of our posting names are fiction anyway. So, what's the difference? All of the posts are time stamped anyway if anybody wants to reference one."

You call your friends "The Guy I Met First at Main and Maple at 15:34 on 07/15/1973" instead of "Bob"?

Names have a meaning, they establish continuity, they remove the need to scroll up and down the page and scan for times. Posting anonymously is extremely rude.

Pseudonyms are perfectly fine and in the tradition of Internet communications. There is no need to learn a person's real name.

Anon 10:57AM... There is a good reason for posting with a "name."

Just as you adriotly summed up many of the posters by "name," making this process of "knowing" them as you debate, as you described it, "fun"... being anon doesn't give others a chance to put unique thoughts in context as there are several anons.

Your insightful posts need a unifying voice. Please, consider a posting name. How about NLA.... No Longer Anon.

http://whathappenedtomycountry.blogspot.com

lylepink - "supporter of Hillary, and rational AT ALL TIMES." is an example of an oxymoron, right?

wtf - All of those posts from "... ofzouk" were most likely rufus1133 trying to sabotage Zouk. rufus' fingerprints seemed to be on them, as well as his double post syndrome manifesting itself.

Either he's trying to damage Zouk's credibility, or get him banned from the site. And the latter is not going to happen. Zouk has little credibility now and there are few controls on the blog, except for some automatic ones for profanity. Otherwise it's a wide open forum.

Zouk is a troll who some suspect is paid by the RNC to disrupt the discussions. He shows up around Noon most work days and almost immediately gets the thread disrupted.

Rufus has become the main troll here. He's has serious psychological problems and is obviously using The Fix as some type of release, when he should be seeing a shrink. He's laughably living in the past spouting Communist Party/Daily Worker drivel. He hasn't yet realized that what he's supporting collapsed almost 20 years ago.

The sad part about rufus is that he has a newborn and you can see that unless he gets help, that kid is going to be messed up in 20 years or the kid will be normal but rufus will be telling him that he's not.

If you pray keep rufus in your prayers.

btw - I think that there are many more anonymous posters on here than the person above realizes.

The interesting part is that some posters express indignation at no name being attached to a post. Yet except for a few, all of our posting names are fiction anyway. So, what's the difference? All of the posts are time stamped anyway if anybody wants to reference one.

Thankfully the spelling and grammar freaks either no longer complain or have given up and left the blog.

There are many creative thinkers and writers here, and many that have never intellectually strayed past their political party's boundaries.

Welcome to the fun!

anom got it part correct, I am from WV. I voted for JFK in 1960, I am exAF, and Male. I am a strong supporter of Hillary, and rational at ALL TIMES. I hope you could give a name, when I go to the WaPost it greets me with ".Hello lylepink".

You can't stop me from [posting truths. I don't post for teh willful ignorant. I post for the man/woman who has been lied to THEIR WHOLE life. The ones who have been told the republican way of life is " the way the world works."

That is a lie. The only power they have is the power WE give them. You can't hide your heads in the sand forever. If not here somewhere. The problems will still exist wheter a anonymous poster rufus is posting of not.

You can't hide in that cave forever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush

Sorry if I hurt your delicate sensibilities. This is not a game. PAt TIllman. Remember that name. I'm goning to shove that name down you republican's throuts. Everybody else please ignore.

ONE WORLD ONE PEOPLE

wtf? -

WaPo probably uses a computer monitor, but only for anglo-saxon words for bodily functions. Otherwise two relatively unstable and self-absorbed folks make the blog tedious for the folks who want to discuss the subject.

One of the unstable ones calls himself "King of Zouk" and another calls himself "Rufus". Skip their entries
when you read this blog. They are not seriously deranged, but they seldom post on point and seldom enter into a discussion without insulting someone - and they post way too often.

There are sane regulars who talk about the subjects. They are of various political bents.

ProudToBeGOP and Razorback are smart conservatives
who sometimes cannot help themselves and tweak the liberal majority on the blog. Proud is ex-military. drindl and Bokonon are smart liberals who will lay out their visions and sometimes cannot keep from tweaking the conservatives. drindl is a writer in NY. Bokonon is in New England.

There is an electrical engineer in Oregon named MikeB
who has seen outsourcing up close and personal and has become rabidly populist. He is easily tweaked.

There is a port contractor in the mid-atlantic named JD who is both a libertarian and a laissez-faire capitalist.
He is very sharp on classical economics, which he claims as his academic background. A liberal, Cassandra, decries JD's description of politics in terms of markets, and is deeply suspicious of conservatives.

JudgeCrater and LoudounVoter are thoughtful left-center types who often add some humor. Spartan is an occasional liberal voice.

lyleppink in W.Va. is ex-military and voted for Nixon in 1960. She is now an avid supporter of Sen. Clinton, and is rational about anything except an attack on her candidate.

bsimon is a wry centrist from Minn., TruthHunter is a centrist from IA who has her own blog, Jason Perez is an 18 yr. old in Tampa who has really jumped into politics eagerly, Mark in Austin is a conservative Democrat lawyer in his 60s, JimD in FL is a moderate ex-Navy officer in his 50s, and Colin is a DC area lawyer and Obama supporter.

There are anonymous posters. One tends to challenge the facts as alleged by others. One tends to cut and paste news items. One offers serious engagement on issues. The 3 may be 1.

Someone who calls himself "Che" cuts and pastes long, long, commenetaries which must be skipped over.

Che may or may not be one of the anonymous posters.

Other folks stumble in from time-to-time, like you. Now that you have been introduced, you may go back and enjoy all the fun.

NEW YORK (Reuters) -- A secret 2005 mission to capture senior al Qaeda members in Pakistan's tribal areas was aborted at the last moment when Bush administration officials decided it was too risky and could jeopardize relations with Pakistan, The New York Times reported Saturday.

Citing intelligence and military officials, including a former senior intelligence official involved in the planning, the Times said in a story posted on its Web site that the target was a meeting of al Qaeda leaders. That conference was thought by intelligence officials to have included Ayman al-Zawahri, Osama bin Laden's top deputy, who was believed to run the group's operations, it said.

The classified mission was scotched even as Navy SEALs in parachute gear had boarded C-130 cargo planes in Afghanistan after then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld rejected a last-minute appeal by then-CIA director Porter Goss, the Times said, citing the officials and the former intelligence official, all of whom requested anonymity.

Rumsfeld felt the mission, which grew from a small number of personnel to several hundred, would risk too many U.S. lives, and he was also concerned about possible repercussions on U.S.-Pakistan relations, the Times said.

But that decision also frustrated some top intelligence officials and members of the military's secret special operations units. Some said the United States missed a significant opportunity to possibly nab senior al Qaeda members, the newspaper reported.

zoukie's had some field day posting nonsense? anyone monitoring this blog?

just check the address of the pointless nonsense, you'l get the ame guy every time/

zoukie's had some field day posting nonsense? anyone monitoring this blog?

just check the address of the pointless nonsense, you'l get the ame guy every time/

Does the WP have anyone monitoring these blogs?

"Zouk is a style of rhythmic music originating from Guadeloupe and Martinique. It has its roots in Cadence music from Dominica, as popularised by Grammacks and Exile One.

Zouk means 'party' in the local creole of French with English and African influences, all three of which contribute the sound. In Europe it is particularly popular in France, while on the African islands of Cape Verde they have developed their own type of Zouk."

While at Yale, he joined the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity and was elected president. He also captained the Yale baseball team, and as a left-handed first baseman, played in the first College World Series. Late in his junior year he was, like his father Prescott Bush (1917), tapped for membership by the Skull and Bones secret society. Some people believe that through this organization, also known as "the Order", Bush made connections with other influential people and families which would shape his career."

"He has given numerous speeches and participated in business ventures with the Carlyle Group, a private equity fund with close ties to the government of Saudi Arabia. Additionally, he held the position of Senior Advisor to the Carlyle Group's Asia Advisory Board from April 1998 to October 2003. In January 2006, Bush wrote a letter to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) of the People's Republic of China on behalf of the Carlyle Group. In the letter, Bush urged the Chinese government to approve an impending deal in which the Chinese government would sell 85% share ownership of the troubled Guangdong Development Bank to a consortium led by Citibank. In addition to praising Citibank and the other foreign member of the consortium, the Carlyle Group, Bush also intimated that a successful acquisition would be "beneficial to the comprehensive development of Sino-US relations.""

While at Yale, he joined the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity and was elected president. He also captained the Yale baseball team, and as a left-handed first baseman, played in the first College World Series. Late in his junior year he was, like his father Prescott Bush (1917), tapped for membership by the Skull and Bones secret society. Some people believe that through this organization, also known as "the Order", Bush made connections with other influential people and families which would shape his career."

"He has given numerous speeches and participated in business ventures with the Carlyle Group, a private equity fund with close ties to the government of Saudi Arabia. Additionally, he held the position of Senior Advisor to the Carlyle Group's Asia Advisory Board from April 1998 to October 2003. In January 2006, Bush wrote a letter to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) of the People's Republic of China on behalf of the Carlyle Group. In the letter, Bush urged the Chinese government to approve an impending deal in which the Chinese government would sell 85% share ownership of the troubled Guangdong Development Bank to a consortium led by Citibank. In addition to praising Citibank and the other foreign member of the consortium, the Carlyle Group, Bush also intimated that a successful acquisition would be "beneficial to the comprehensive development of Sino-US relations.""

"Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street connection for German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen, who had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party until 1938, but who by 1939 had fled Germany and was bitterly denouncing Hitler. Business transactions for profit with Nazi Germany were not illegal when Hitler declared war on the US, but, six days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act after it had been made public that U.S. companies were doing business with the declared enemy of the United States. On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City. President Franklin Roosevelt's Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing the property of Prescott Bush under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The order, published in obscure government record books and kept out of the news, cited only the Union Banking Corporation (UBC) connections with Von Thyssen. Fox News has reported that recently declassified material "The 4,000 Union Banking shares owned by the Dutch bank were registered in the names of the seven U.S. directors, according a document signed by Homer Jones, chief of the division of investigation and research of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, a World War II-era agency that no longer exists"[2]."

The assets were held by the government for the duration of the war, then returned afterward. UBC was dissolved in 1951. Prescott Bush was on the board of directors of UBC and held one share in the company. For it, he was reimbursed $1,500,000. These assets were later used to launch Bush family investments in the Texas energy industry.

Toby Rogers has claimed that Bush's connections to Silesian businesses (with Thyssen and Flick) make him complicit with the mining operations in Poland which used slave labor out of Auschwitz, where the Auschwitz concentration camp was later constructed.

The New York Herald-Tribune referred to the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, as "Hitler's Angel" and mentioned Bush as an employee of the investment banking firm Thyssen used in the USA. The underlying importance is Hitler's known ideology; intelligent business partners like Bush and Thyssen and Harriman clearly knew who they were doing business with and were willing to do so. Thyssen's "autobiography" is entitled I Paid Hitler.

Some records in the National Archives, including the Harriman papers, document the continued relationship of Brown Brothers Harriman with Thyssen and some of his German investments up until his 1951 death.[4] Investigator John Loftus has said, "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averell Harriman [to be prosecuted] for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany." Two former slave laborers from Poland have filed suit in London against the government of the United States and the heirs of Prescott Bush in the amount of $40 billion. A class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. in 2001 was dismissed based on the principle of state sovereignty.[5]"

Elvis Presley, the man, the myth, the legend, the king of rock-n-roll, IS ALIVE and working as an undercover agent for the DEA. For years, the man known only as Elvis to the public, has caused world wide confusion concerning his supposed death on August 16, 1977 after entertaining and dazzling the world for over 20 years. Elvis Aaron Presley, did not die on that fateful day. He was only removed from the public eye to continue in his fight against drug use.
It had been rumored that he had died from a drug overdose. It is a well known and documented fact that Elvis had always been a strong believer and fighter against communism and drug use. In a meeting with President Richard Nixon on December 20, 1970, Elvis stated his true feelings against drugs and communism, believing that the two were definitely related. At that time, the President appointed him to be a Special Agent in the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (now known as the Drug Enforcement Agency or DEA). What a perfect way to stage his escape from the limelight and publicity to move into undercover activities to prevent the use of drugs, than to say that he had died from the use of drugs.
In that meeting between the President of the United States and the King of Rock-n-Roll, President Nixon told Elvis that his image, reputation and credibility with his fans especially the younger kids and the hippie crowd, must not be tarnished. Elvis needed to maintain, in the public's eye, what had already been established. If Elvis were to go public about becoming a part of the war on drugs, suspicions would surely arise and any future plans of Elvis being able to be an effective force for the government would be destroyed.
Elvis was able to keep his involvement with the government, his public life and his private life completely separate but all the same. His involvement in bringing down drug dealers, and activities by the Mafioso, musicians and Hollywood actors came about as he performed and made public appearances as his family traveled and joined him most of the time. He was able to keep his activities with the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs and his involvement with the Federal Bureau of Investigations secret from his fans and family. The only one in his family that knew of Elvis's activities was his father Vernon. Vernon knew far more than all of Elvis's entourage, assistants, the government, his family and fans all put together.
In 1976 Elvis had become a part of a sting operation orchestrated by the FBI against the Mafia. Vernon had needed to raise some extra cash since the private jet that Elvis was leasing was a major hemorrhage in their expenses. Vernon was approached by Fredrick Pro, president of Air Cargo Airlines out of Florida. Fredrick was known to the FBI as Alfredo Poc, president of Trident Consortium in New York, and under investigation for racketeering, fraud and other Mafia activities. An agreement was reached between Vernon and Fredrick on how to refinance the plane, lease it to Fredrick, and gain an extra $10,000 a month on the plane. AT first Vernon was completely niave of what Pro and his co-horts were up to. As checks that were promised to come in from Pro were either not appearing or were bounced. Vernon had contacted the FBI.
The FBI had been monitoring Pro and his other Mafia connections since the mid 1960's. The FBI assigned two of their best Special Agents to go undercover in Elvis's entourage to infiltrate the mob activities. Vernon and Elvis were briefed on the continuing investigation and were excited to help the FBI in their operation.
By July 1977, the FBI felt it had enough evidence to arrest and convict the world wide Mafia ring that defrauded the Presley family of over one million dollars and many other organizations around the world.
Arrest warrants for everyone in the fraud ring were issued on August 16, 1977. Not surprisingly enough that was the day Elvis "died".
The night before, Elvis was extremely agitated. He seemed unusually worried about everything. The next day when he was announced to be dead, the paramedics showed up two hours after they were supposedly called, on their arrival they put on a terrific show trying to revive the King. The coroner's official report has never been released. Pictures of Elvis in his coffin have never been proven to be him. Handwriting experts have proven that the signature on his death certificate is Elvis's own handwriting.
In Elvis's last concert tour in the early summer of 1977, he left clues that he was not going to be around much longer in public. Elvis had said several times in that tour, "I dont look very good now, but I will look good in my coffin". He also stated that he was tired of living the way that he was, and that his life would change. He also said he would be just himself instead of an image.
Vernon had asked many of Elvis's close friends and family not to come to the funeral, but to come to Graceland a week later. He also would not accept the American flag, which is usually awarded to dead war veterans. At Elvis's request, Vernon did not order any new jumpsuits in 1977, which is quite odd, since he usually ordered at least two new ones a month.
Six weeks before his "death?", several publications released pictures of Elvis with his newly issued badge and identification from the DEA. He also was seen and photographed on a drug raid that same week wearing the typical DEA jogging suit.
Just two weeks before his "death", Elvis had met with then President Carter, who had issued a tribute to the world concerning his death. The tribute was released the moment Elvis's death was made public.
On October 18, 1977, Pro had finally been arrested along with many other men involved in the Presley fraud case. In September of 1978, they finally went to trial. During that trial, a secret witness testified. He told of things that only Elvis himself would know. The name of that witness has never been released publicly.
Getting Elvis out of public, private and Mafia sight was the only way the government could guarantee a conviction of Pro and his henchmen. In return the government had made Elvis one of their top undercover agents in the DEA.
As a special undercover DEA agent, he would be traveling around the globe, which explains why there are many "Elvis sightings" around the world.
During his entertainment days, Elvis would travel using fictitious names such as Col. James Burrows, Al Jefferies and others. Their have been photos of men traveling around the country, appearing on stage, and involved in drug and Mafia arrests that have gone by the names that Elvis used when publicly performing.
The mysteriousness of his "death" is good for Elvis so he can maintain his secret undercover identity and still be seen in public. In a very recent interview, a source that must remain anomoyus, said, "I saw Elvis in the mall exiting the J. Crew store. He was carrying large bags full of clothes and was traveling with some kids that seemed 'undesireable' and may be drug dealers or users".
The clues that leave no doubt that Elvis did not die on August 16, 1977, are endless and rock solid proof that he is working undercover for the federal government.

We present a novel theory on Atlantis that will, if accepted, cause a revolution in the fields of archaeology and the human sciences, rendering them fit for the encroaching Millennium. Atlantis was never found because we have all been looking in the wrong places. Realizing that, we started to look for the spot where an entire sunken continent could be hiding itself. Geology afforded the correct, irrefutable answer: down under the South China Sea, that is where. The rest followed quite naturally and, in fact, far more serendipitously than we ourselves could ever have imagined beforehand.

For the tantalizing details, just keep reading, and you will see that we have also found, as a surplus, the Garden of Eden, the Island of Avalon, the Garden of the Hesperides, the hideout of the New Jerusalem, the true location of Troy and of Lanka, as well as the Holy Land and Paradise that has been promised us all from the dawn of time. Yes, Atlantis is rising from the waves, bright as the Phoenix and clean and virginal as the Venus of Botticelli.

Research That Shows God Does Travel in UFOs
But Is Not an Alien

There are certain connections we make in our minds that are cast in stone. If a police cruiser pulls up you expect a police officer to be in it, a tank always has soldiers, and planes always have pilots. UFOs have also been that closely associated with beings from other planets or galaxies and therefore are called aliens, and extraterrestrials. The popular concept about life outside Earth's biosphere took flight in the late 1800s with the popularization of the now famous canal system on Mars. This led to speculation that such a system had intelligent builders, which led to the concept of a Martian civilization. By the time Orson Welles broadcast of "War of the Worlds" hit the airwaves in 1938, a radio drama about a Martian invasion, the concept of life on Mars was so accepted it caused a social panic. To this day there is a direct association between any anomalous flying objects and visitors from other planets. Given that there have been no alternatives to this limited paradigm the extraterrestrial connection to UFO remains.

It is this direct association that we challenge in this work. Based on direct evidence, historical consistency, and simple logic we find the "alien connection" to be nothing more than a condition response based on society's constant exposure to a single and specific concept. By considering the entire historical evidence this concept comes into question. In the Bible and other ancient writings the "gods" fly in strange objects, throughout history the same anomalous flying objects appear with glaring consistency, and UFOs are the most common aerial phenomena seen in our modern skies. Any attempt to ignore the clear association of these three facts is unrealistic and simply defies logic. The flying vehicles of the ancient gods, the historical record, and our modern biosphere are not the evidence of a bizarre series of coincidences but overwhelming proof a practical connection.

Ruf old pal, tell me how you got your Section 8 discharge?

Colonel Potter won't bite on anything. He says he seen 'em all before.

What did you do to get one?

What has george bush doen right? Please exclude the arguments "There hasn't been another major attack" They are in with the terrorists. Bush and the Saudi's go way back. Please exclude that one.

High stocks? Please eclude that. The rich may be getting richer here but how much are we spending over there. Factor in the lost of blood and that's a loss, not a win.

WHAT HAS GEORGE BUSH DONE RIGHT ZOUK? iT SHOULD BE EASY. I what you to show your face. You greedy racsit face.

Picture in your mind a round world. Now imagine that there are two people on this world, one at each pole. For the person at the top of the world, (the North Pole), gravity is pulling him down, towards the South P