"Those telephone banks spreading the lies about Obama, the ones about Romney, the ones about Edwards were all under the control of the Clinton cmapaign. The selective and misleading news release about Guliani's expense accounts have been tracked to her operatives. The hatred and villificatin of men, of Christians to appease the gay rghts mob," - mibrroks27

what

"I guess you got Clinton Derangment Syndrome." - claudialong

And you are seriously just NOW coming to this conclusion about mibrooks?

That revalation didn't occur about a week ago when (frothing at the mouth I'm sure) he declared Hillary to be worse than Pat Robertson and George Bush?

Wow, I forgot how much fun it was to read the comments.

I hope they keep hammering on Rudy about his girlfriend/wife. I want to see him go ballistic.

Having worked in a Minnesota congressional office, I really fail to see how mucking it up with Minutemen in AZ would help anyone get elected in MN--even in the southern 1st district. That would be like a candidate in Seattle going to Texas to play up their cowboy roots. Walz must be pleased as punch.

What a sad commentary on the state of US politics when a House district can be described as expensive. Do you think the Founders intended that some districts would cost more than others?

Interesting thing about the Tom Davis district map. He includes part of the 10th District in the map, and the part of the 10th that he includes just so happens to be the two precincts that are in his wife's Virginia State Senate district*. I've heard of community property, but this is ridiculous.

* the 34th State Senate seat she lost to Chap Petersen by a w-i-i-i-de margin.

FYI: Some new polls out now have Hillary leading once again in Iowa. I'm not sure, but think over the past month or so the lead has changed about a dozen times among the top three. The most interesting thing seems/appears to be none of the second tier is getting more than 5%.

They don't understand the concept of accountability. they can whine. But whining is differant than accountablility, drindl.

they do not understand the concept of leadership. This is why their party is done. all they can do is cover their own bottoms, And generate revenue. When things go wrong, all they can do is blame blame blame.

they like to try and hold the opposition party to account. If it is in their sex life of course. Or if a actor is expressing their opinon. But accountability to their own, they can't do it.

'And of course it must be Bush's fault right?'

did you ever hear, 'the buck stops here'? it wasn't all bush, it was the whole party, the rush to deregulation. lenders gave big loans to people with bad credit histories, sometimes without even asking them what their income was. not only not verifying, but not even asking. this is not only bad business, it's pure stupidity and greed.

if you call this 'conservatism' and 'market forces' i feel real sorry for you.

DIDN'T THE SAUDIS BAILD CITI OUT. Taking money from the saudi's neighbor in a time of need. Make's me nervous. White knight terrorists. What have I been telling you people. The gop is in with the terrorists. We are all being held hostage. "vote gop or die." Who is winning to fight the facsists for the love of their nation? Fear does not exist people. Do not fear the terrorist gop facsists. We have the power. The only power they have is the power we give them, due to the fear of what they will do to us if we win.

USMCMike: The rate of 4.7% is misleading in that once your benefits run out you are no longer figured in, simply as if you do not exist. The real gauge of the economy, IMO, is the number of low paying jobs that go unfilled and so many of them are paid under the table. Hi-Tech jobs, such as the computer industry is begging for qualified people all over the country. The area/region where you live plays a huge part in wages as well. The under the table workers cannot even be estimated with any degree of accuracy.

And of course it must be Bush's fault right?

'Dr. James Kolari, Professor of Finance at Texas A&M University, author of several banking papers and books, and former member of the Federal Reserve, tells me that the sub-prime "meltdown" is grossly overstated. That is will be contained by bank reserves. Not a single bank will fail, and it cannot (and has not) spread.'

god, your delusional thinking is scary. It hasn't spread? Try reading the news section of the WSJ. Try reading world news. investmnt companies have ALREADY failed -- and why do you think Citgroup allowed ME investors to obtain a major stake, at a totally desperate guanteed 11% interest?

Dr. James Kolari, Professor of Finance at Texas A&M University, author of several banking papers and books, and former member of the Federal Reserve, tells me that the sub-prime "meltdown" is grossly overstated. That is will be contained by bank reserves. Not a single bank will fail, and it cannot (and has not) spread.

Claudia, you can't wish bad things on America to justify D's winning an election. The fact is, our economy is great. 4.7% unemployment.

If socialist ideas were so good, why does Venezualia have 10% unemployment?

"at least he has sense enough to know he needs treatment,"

so he has more sense than drindl, jay and loud and dumb. but we already established that Dems are the party of kooks and are aware of it.

You Libs never cease to amaze me at your complete ignorance of all things economic.

you are all shocked, shocked that sub-prime mortgages might go bad some day. I guess the call out of "SUB_PRIME" didn't alert you to the situation.

then the Dems get the congress, threaten to raise taxes and the finance market reacts predictably and the Dems are shocked, shocked, that some marginal loans go bad on overpirced properties with no collateral and poor credit who obtain teaser loans. Poor victims - help us hillary, bail us out of our errors, those rich guys can afford it. they still have jobs, you aren't president yet.

This guy is not as crazy as most folk think mental patients are, at least he has sense enough to know he needs treatment, from reports from all the cable news networks.

Bambi amd Breck run for it too. what manliness in the face of fire:

Workers for Sen. Barack Obama's campaign office also evacuated, a campaign spokesman said. The office is four doors away from Clinton's. Staffers in John Edwards' office, a few buildings away, evacuated as well

'If I were Mrs. Clinton, and I had a history of playing the victim, and my "inevitability" was suddenly being threatened by Obama, I might try an outstanding stunt like this.'

Well, I knew someone would go for the conspiracy theory. You folks just can't help yourselves.

'Oh wait, they did pass minimum wage this year. that must be why the economy is doing so well.'

LOL on steroids. You seem to grow stupider by the day, King of Idiots. Ever hear of a subprime mortgage meltdown? I guess they didn't report that on Fox.

"Clinton was scheduled to give an address at the Democratic National Committee meeting in Vienna, Va., Friday afternoon, but DNC Chairman Howard Dean announced from the podium that Clinton would not speak."

so all it will take is one crazy per day to shut down the clinton presidency. I wonder if she stays in when it rains too? will she dissappear for a week everytime bin laden releases a tape? Or is he one of her cash bundlers too, welcomed to the lincoln bedroom for his generosity? he has lots of money, wants to end the war and produces hit videos, sounds like a typical Dem supporter.

He is a republcain. He is obviously insane. What are the stragling 20 percent of republcains left? I think they would all have to be a little nuts.

you would HAVE to be insane to actually travel to a Dem politicians office and expect to get anything that was promised.
Oh wait, they did pass minimum wage this year. that must be why the economy is doing so well.

If I were Mrs. Clinton, and I had a history of playing the victim, and my "inevitability" was suddenly being threatened by Obama, I might try an outstanding stunt like this.

If I were a Republican, I would NEVER pull this crap against a D candidate. Not only is it wrong and illegal, it will assure HRC gets elected.

So either it's a HRC operative or, more likely (and as been reported), this guy is just insane.

"don't be surprised if its one of her donors that didn't get the pardon he was expecting.

Posted by: kingofzouk | November 30, 2007 03:56 PM

LOL x100 JD
"

Real Funny FACSISTS. Laugh it up. you show your faces. You peopele are terrorists. You regular republcain bloggers show all independant thinkers what terrorists you really are. And if you are terrorists, are we to believe you are not "in with the terrorists"?

you show your faces. Laugh it up. The joke is on you 08. Fox and your masters (rush, malkin coulter) are done. inciting violence is not funny and is a federal crime. Justice comes in 08. Laugh it up facsists. Just know in 08 your party become irrelevant for a generation. Then we really see what time it is. Continue these tim mcveigh tactics at your own peril. The american people now see you terrorists for what you are.

....The creative genius of moonbat drindl

you were more fun when you were ignorant coward.

'Maybe CNN can get him as the next anchor. Or possibly guest host on Krazy Keith - the tone matches.'

umm, koz, he's one of yours. i'm sure he'd feel quite at home on any show on the Fox network. they'd LOVE him...

KOZ - Those young adults that don't have health insurance don't have it becasue they cannot afford it! The nationwide average is over $800 a month! For most of them, who cannot get decent jobs becasue they were outsourced, who have to compete against millions of illegals and guest workers and trade wages and benefits just to get a job, an $800 a month bill is simply something they cannot afford. THAT is the fact of this matter. Quit spinning! The argument is whether genuine universal health care is better than private health care or some ramshackle version thereof.

As ye soe, so shall ye reap. Clinton camapign to date has included underhanded person attacks, selective and distorted releases of information, outright lies, and rumors about her opponenets. Those telephone banks spreading the lies about Obama, the ones about Romney, the ones about Edwards were all under the control of the Clinton cmapaign. The selective and misleading news release about Guliani's expense accounts have been tracked to her operatives. The hatred and villificatin of men, of Christians to appease the gay rghts mob, have all contributed to a coarsening of the environment and led to this. No one deserves this, not Clinton, not the people working for her, but not also the Christian opposing abortion, not anyone. But Clinton and Rove and Bush and Carville and Limbaugh and all of those that teach hatred and practice it as a political tool are even more guilty of this criminal act as the deranged person who did it. Right now, a British school teach faces at least 15 days in a hellish jail in the Sudan where she will likely we murdered. Mobs are rioting in the streets calling for her hanging. All because she allowed her school class to name a Teddy Bear after one her students named "Muhammid". The mullah's in their chruches saw a golden opportunity to spin this and win a politcial victory of sorts. It matters little to them that the immediate result will be an end food donations, medical supplies, and western volunteer teachers. It all about their hollow victory and winning.

Liberal freedom of choice:

Welcome to the brave new world of John Edwards. One of the dirty little secrets of the debate over health insurance is that around 15 million younger adults choose not to carry any. Never fear, John Edwards will save these miscreants from their own folly by garnishing their wages and forcing them into his planned universal health care nightmare: Under the Edwards plan, when Americans file their income taxes, they would be required to submit a letter from an insurance provider confirming coverage for themselves and their dependents.

We've already explained it," he said, walking past reporters after a town hall meeting.

Maybe the press expects the story to change every four hours like a clinton explanation does.

Well didn't hillary promise free health care for everyone? He has a right to be upset. that is a god given right allocated to Libs everywhere when they don't get thier free stuff.

"latest was he wanted to get treatment at a hospital"


Odds seem good that wish will be granted.

don't be surprised if its one of her donors that didn't get the pardon he was expecting.

Posted by: kingofzouk | November 30, 2007 03:56 PM

LOL x100

This brings attention to the health care problem,, latest was he wanted to get treatment at a hospital. Bill and Hillary canceled all events for today.

Maybe CNN can get him as the next anchor. Or possibly guest host on Krazy Keith - the tone matches.

" the wannabe suicide bomber just had road flares duct taped to his chest, and being a well known eccentric..."


I'm thinking he just earned himself a few years of gov't funded healthcare, room & board.

from what im hearing now, the swat team is moving towards the front door. i belive this situation close to over. the wannabe suicide bomber just had road flares duct taped to his chest, and being a well known eccentric(if anyone is watching fox news, they are saying his name right now) thank god no life was lost.

ok folks, have a good weekend.

it's great day for rudy news! we new yorkers knew he would finally crack under the pressure:

'Now that they're actually confronting him instead of drooling over "America's Mayor," the real Rudy comes out.

Giuliani refused to take questions here today about allegations that travel expenses were picked up obscure city offices when he was mayor of New York City.

"We've already explained it," he said, walking past reporters after a town hall meeting.

Giuliani, who is normally friendly to reporters, bristled past them, and campaign staffers were unusually physical in keeping the press away. Several campaign aides ordered campaign reporters to return to the press area, and some of his security detail manhandled reporters. '

jay -- I don't read his stuff, it's like watching drool dry, but occasionally something catches my eye as I scroll past.

claudia-obiously you missed the gem zouk posted around 3:56pm.

'claudia- i wouldnt wish it on rudy either'

neither would i- i'm just asking mike what if the situation were reversed. but he really does seem to beleive it's justified and i find that really creepy.

oh geez i just saw the 'latex paint to blame for global warming' -- zouky got his tinfoil beanie propeller spinning really fast today.

mikeb-congrats, now your in the same catagory as zouk. are you sure your a democrat? you might be comfortable on the right.

right brooks, and those women who get raped, they're just asking for it, right? you're sick.

That's it for me today, folks, have a good weekend.

'Basically, she brought every bit of this down upon herself'

So you beleive that it's justified, right?

Finally, somebody pays attention

'In almost every appearance as he campaigns for the Republican presidential nomination, Rudolph W. Giuliani cites a fusillade of statistics and facts to make his arguments about his successes in running New York City and the merits of his views.

Discussing his crime-fighting success as mayor, Mr. Giuliani told a television interviewer that New York was "the only city in America that has reduced crime every single year since 1994." In New Hampshire this week, he told a public forum that when he became mayor in 1994, New York "had been averaging like 1,800, 1,900 murders for almost 30 years." When a recent Republican debate turned to the question of fiscal responsibility, he boasted that "under me, spending went down by 7 percent."

All of these statements are incomplete, exaggerated or just plain wrong. And while, to be sure, all candidates use misleading statistics from time to time, Mr. Giuliani has made statistics a central part of his candidacy as he campaigns on his record.'

Nice spin, "ladies". That isn't waht I said. Wht I said was, Clinton and her nutcase minions have engaged in negative campaigning, dirty tricks, character assistination, and a whole series of outright lies and smears. If you do that, you are going to end up with a lot of people that flat out loath you. Some of those that loathe her are mentally unstable and may attempt to hurt her or the mindless twits that constitutes her followers. Basically, she brought every bit of this down upon herself. If you want to blame someone, blame Clinton. In the end, she and her campaign managers will spin this like there's no tomorrow. Wait and see.

'28 percent of Baghdadis are happy with their electricity supply. The Post talks to some of the other 72 percent. "What kind of government allows its people to live like this?" asks one. "They don't know how to provide services. They don't know how to do anything."

LV, thanks - kept me from reading through the "stuff".

mibrooks, that was just sad. you're another reason these boards are doomed.

claudia- i wouldnt wish it on rudy either. sorry politics end when lives are in danger.

if anything ill change the subject. blame me for trying to be a junior reporter.

don't be surprised if its one of her donors that didn't get the pardon he was expecting.

mikeb-ok clinton hate aside, the first thought that came to mind was, this isnt a publicity stunt. its just some disturbed man trying to get attention-now if you think it was a publicity stunt to get a few points ahead in NH, well i just feel sorry for you chum.

The suspect, I'm sure, rates his mental health as excellent.

So Mike, if you approve of this bomber because you hate Hillary so much, would you think it was okay for someone to do the same to a Rudy office? He's worse than she is.

I guess you got Clinton Derangment Syndrome.

jaymills1124 - Oh just excuse us all! Clinrton has been the candidate that raised thre emotional level of this campaign, has engaged in every sort of dirty trick imaginable...this is the result! If she and her minions actually fool enough voters to get lected, you can expect this sort of insanity as a regualr part of American life. I imagine Clinton's spin doctors and operatives are going to use this somehow.

Hostage Situation at Clinton Office

A man who claimed he had a bomb strapped to his body walked into a Hillary Clinton campaign office in Rochester, N.H., initially taking four hostages, law enforcement sources said.

Two of the four hostages -- an adult and a child -- subsequently were released, the sources said. It was unclear whether additional hostages were released.

The man with the apparent pipe bomb asked to speak to Clinton, a source said.

The suspect was a well-known local man with a history of emotional issues who allegedly told his son to watch the news, a well-placed law enforcement source told ABC News' Pierre Thomas.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/rapidreport/2007/11/hostage-situati.html

more rudy news:

'Contracts awarded to Rudy Giuliani's private security firm in the Gulf state of Qatar were overseen by a government minister suspected of harboring the al Qaeda terrorist who planned the 9/ll attacks, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, according to security consultants in the region.

New revelations about the extent of the contracts could pose a problem for a presidential contender who says he is the most qualified candidate to combat Islamic terrorism.

Since 2005, Giuliani Partners and its Giuliani Security & Safety (GS&S) unit has provided security consulting and advice in Qatar through contracts overseen by the country's Interior Ministry, which is currently run by a member of the royal family who has long been accused of supporting al Qaeda, according to security consultants familiar with the area.

The current interior minister, Sheik Abdullah Bin Khalid al-Thani, sheltered Mohammed at his farm and tipping him off to the arrival of CIA and FBI teams coming to arrest the al Qaeda strategist back in 1996.

'Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent,'

i thought that funny on so many levels I didn't know where to start -- then I read about the R lunatic in Clinton's office. I'm afraid a significant percentage of republicans are dangerouly insane. Seriously. Expect more of the same. A female canddiate just absolutely enrages the bedwetting, manhood-deficient R base.

http://www.wmur.com/news/14737868/detail.html

update-2 hostages released so far.

lv-actually he has, im more or less following the clinton hostage situation right now. seriously, when peoples lives are in danger, zouk can have the floor to him self while everyone just ignores him.

mark: The flood of repetitive, off-topic garbage posts from one of the regular posts. pretty soon he'll have the board to himself.

"I am sure you amuse yourselves and each other."

Don't be modest zouk, you are extremely amusing, in your own special way.

Washington - No. 2 House Republican Roy Blunt challenged Democrats on Friday to pass a $50 billion war spending package, pouncing on new remarks by Democratic Rep. John Murtha who said, ''I think the surge is working.'' ''With one of the Democrats' leading war critics now saying the surge in Iraq is working, it's difficult to understand why the majority continues to push an irresponsible withdrawal plan that jeopardizes critical support funding for our troops,'' Blunt said in a statement he released Friday.

you Libs are so confused. Are we winning the war or not Harry? now even murtha has turned on you dustball.

liberals don't attack americans. The gop has that on lock. I smell a fish.

At 2:12P, LV wrote:

"One of our regulars will single-handedly be responsible for the death of The Fix."

What was the predicate for that remark, LV?

2008 Presidential Election Weekly Poll

http://www.votenic.com

The Only Poll That Matters.
Results Posted Every Tuesday Evening.

In regards to the gop mental health. Tell what you told us, zouk, to the republcain who has a bomb strapped to his chest in the clinton office, NH. Obviously he has watched fox since the debate.

The party of terrorists. What have i been telling you people? Majority rule? Not to the gop. Please don't tim mcveigh us when your party isirrelevant for a generation. Does Fox have any repsponsibility in this? What about all the tazer attacks by cops on americans. When are they goign to pay for what they do? How is fox still on the air?

I think Leno and Letterman will be waiting for the comedy writers to come off strike. but I am sure you moonbats amuse yourselves and each other.

Interestingly, 100 percent of mental hospital residents, in a recent survey, rated their mental health as excellent.

For zouk:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave

"Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent"

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH. Straight from someone that would never skew the facts or lie to you. Drudge.

Who's doing the diag's? HAHAHAHHAHA. Got to be republcain clones. If anyone wnat sto know about gop mental health all they have to do is read your people's posts/dylusions.

go out there people. Listen to the conservatives. HEre is an exaple:

http://www.takeastandagainstliberals.blogspot.com/

Mental health? If your all crazy does that mean your "normal". Only to a crazy person.

HAHAHAHAH. you facsists are funny. Keep telling yourself you are "normal". Keep telling yoruselves your like "most" americans. And you are patirots? AHHAHAHA

You are in for a rude awakening come 08.

well thats funny, i saw that same article in democraticunderground. even funnier most mentally unstable people always say they are sane.

but hey congrats on insulting indepenent voters also, way to be a big tent party!

zouk is a facsist.

For old times sake :)

drindl, loud and dumb, jaymills and others explained by new poll. this illuminates a lot:

PRINCETON, NJ -- Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent, according to data from the last four November Gallup Health and Healthcare polls. Fifty-eight percent of Republicans report having excellent mental health, compared to 43% of independents and 38% of Democrats. This relationship between party identification and reports of excellent mental health persists even within categories of income, age, gender, church attendance, and education. The basic data -- based on an aggregated sample of more than 4,000 interviews conducted since 2004 -- are straightforward.

The Wapo? Not a very credible source.

HAHAHAHAHA

One of our regulars will single-handedly be responsible for the death of The Fix. Pity.

The cnn chat rooms got killed by such fools, as did the yahoo message boards. Guess it's just inevitable.

sorry to break in your daily zouk rant but breaking news folks!

Police: Hostages taken at Clinton office
Woman who said she was freed: 'He showed us a bomb'

ROCHESTER, N.H. - A man took an unknown number of people hostage at a New Hampshire campaign office for Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Clinton, police said Friday.

The man claimed to have a bomb strapped to him when he walked into the office in Rochester, WHDH-TV reported.

WMUR-TV quoted a woman, Lettie Tzizik, saying she spoke to someone who said she had just been released by the man.

"A young woman with a 6-month- or 8-month-old infant came rushing into the store just in tears, and she said, 'You need to call 911. A man has just walked into the Clinton office, opened his coat and showed us a bomb strapped to his chest with duct tape,'" Tzizik said.

Police surrounded the building, evacuated the immediate area and placed other buildings, including a nearby school, under lockdown.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22043358/

another dumb lib idea with unintended consequences - the story of their lives:

Probably no one ever would have thunk it, but now one of the worst evils on the planet supposedly is . . . corn. Really. Prices are up not only for corn but other commodities, because the more corn that is planted the less room, e.g., for soybeans -- and so soybean prices rise. High-fructose corn syrup contributes to national obesity. The conversion of corn to biofuels such as ethanol -- so long ballyhooed by environmentalists -- now is running into doubts about practicality and air pollution, not to mention water pollution caused by fertilizer runoff.

"The gist of the criticism," according to a page-one story in The Washington Post: "So much corn, doing so many things, serving as both food and fuel, and backed by billions of dollars in government subsidies, has been bad for America and the rest of the world." Oh dear.

Among her Senate efforts this fall was to add a $1 million federal earmark for a museum at the site of the 1969 Woodstock love-in and zone-out concert in upstate New York. Even this Senate killed the earmark -- perhaps not so much because it would have been idiotic federal spending, as because the site is owned by a Clinton donor who, worth $1.3 billion -- easily could finance the museum himself.

an actual accomplishment from clinton in the senate - oh wait, never mind. still batting zero on clinton experience. more interns in the oval office to come? not on my blue dress.

Having forced votes -- and amassing an 0-40 record -- on measures limiting deployments or demanding a pullout of U.S. troops, the congressional Democrats now are refusing to vote until oh, maybe next year on President Bush's $196 billion request for military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Democrats are behaving this outrageously even when a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds Iraq (46 percent) and terrorism (23 percent) two of the top issues voters think the federal government should address.

Hey dustball harry - when will you get to work? you have utterly wasted an entire year.

here's a breaking rasmussen poll out of the granite state for the republicans. take it for whats its worth at the moment.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/new_hampshire/election_2008_new_hampshire_republican_primary

Mitt Romney-34%
Rudy Giuliani-15%
John McCain-15%
Mike Huckabee-14%
Ron Paul-8%
Fred Thompson-3%
Tom Tancredo/Duncan Hunter-1%

"Host Indicted, Clinton Fund-Raiser Canceled A Dec. 15 fund-raising event for Hillary Clinton at the home of prominent Mississippi trial laywer Richard "Dickie" Scruggs is off, now that Scruggs has been indicted for bribery."

UMM, King, you do realize that Scruggs is Trent Lott's BROTHER-IN-LAW? And that his indictment comes a day or two after Lott's resignation from the Senate.

But, of course, that's probably not relevant to you. After all, Scruggs probably donated $1,000 to Clinton and some point, which of course means he must control her.

YAY!

Time to run the evangelical hypocrites out of government for good!

Time to run the corrupt bagmen for the NEO-CONS out of government for good!

Time to run the ideological trogolodytes out of government forever!

Let just not replace them with opaque, word-parsing lawyers like hillary!

VOTE OBAMA IN 08 FOR REAL CHANGE!

Hang on, I'm going to get some of my buddies to watch before his escapes.

bring popcorn too.

zouk writes
"Duh??????"

This is your brain on Fox.

Hot d*mn. A loyal Bushie sighting!

You guys should lighten up on kingofzouk.

Hang on, I'm going to get some of my buddies to watch before his escapes.

New Mexico District 1 is a puzzling place: supposedly majority Democratic but has voted in a Republican ever since it was created.

Darren White, the hard-core, Bush-supporting sheriff of Bernalillo County, may seem like a dream candidate to national Republicans who are hard-core Bush supporters but in NM-1 I don't think he's going to be a particularly strong candidate.

Sheriff White - unlike Heather Wilson the present Repub in the seat - is outspoken in his support of the Iraq War and that will not play well in NM-1 these days. As voters learn more about White in coming months I'm sure his numbers will begin to tumble and a canny Democrat such as Heinrich will be able to dominate the race.

And you don't mention that Sheriff White now has a strong primary opponent who is just as conservative as he is and they will undoubtedly be clawing at each other up to the primary, given voters a lot to chew on before the gereral election.

Fox News Channel dominated the all-news network ratings battle in November, while rival CNN saw the biggest ratings decrease in the all-news category.

FNC averaged a 0.7 total-day rating in November, according to Nielsen Media Research numbers, flat with the same period in 2006. CNN averaged a 0.4 rating, down 20%.

MSNBC (0.3 total-day rating), CNBC (0.2) and Headline News (0.2) were all flat compared to this time last year.

Fox News also won primetime, averaging a 1.2 rating, flat with November 2006. CNN dropped from a 0.8 to a 0.7 in primetime; MSNBC (0.5) and CNBC (0.2) were flat in primetime; and Headline News increased from a 0.3 to a 0.4 rating.

In the core adults 25 to 54 news demographic, CNN took one of the largest hits in the morning time slot (6 a.m. to 9 a.m.). Viewers for CNN's American Morning program plummeted 41% to 121,000 in the news demo, dropping CNN to third place in the time period.

CNN own sister network, Headline News, beat it in the morning period. HLN's Morning Express with Robin Meade averaged 130,000 viewers in the adults 25 to 54 demographic, up 27% from November 2006.

Fox News had nine of the top 10 programs in cable news in November. And The O'Reilly Factor expanded its streak as the No. 1 cable news program to 84 months.

Duh??????

"CNN is fair, fox is crooked, unless you have planted questions from Dems in which case forget it. hillary still hasn't answered a single hard question. "

Fox is that one question recipracated all day every day. And they're whining? HAHAHAHHA

If you can't handle questions from the democrats, how are you going to handle Al Queda? HAHAHAHA

Whooa I'm still here. Yeah :)

Anyone think Clinton is still the nominee. forget the polls. Forget the lying propogandists. Anyone here, in their own head, believe clinton is not on the slip? If so why? Polls? The polls are going to be changing here, pretty fast.

Test.

The republcains are dropping like it's hot. Dropping like it's hot.

They're droppin like they're hot

zouk-so im guessing your predicting hillary huh? im gonna bite and pretty tie this thread up for the next 2 hours but what are you basing your prediction on? is it going to be like the time you predicted the house and senate stays gop? i mean sure a broken clock is right twice a day but when have you ever been right? come on humor me on this one, slick.

Host Indicted, Clinton Fund-Raiser Canceled A Dec. 15 fund-raising event for Hillary Clinton at the home of prominent Mississippi trial laywer Richard "Dickie" Scruggs is off, now that Scruggs has been indicted for bribery.

The clinton network of funny money

jay - if you insist on voting D - you better get used to it. only hillary will be on the ballot.

the stories of demise are greatly exaggerated. Just wait until the voters see Clinton (D) at the top of the ticket. they are going to think, "I will NOT vote for her and just in case she wins, I want to make sure congress stops her."

note this is exactly the opposite of what happened last time when the voters decided to reel in Bush. and there was the 6 year itch on top of that. but the Dems misunderstood as usual and tried to immediately get their rabid leftist agenda through. the backfire will occur next time aropund in the voting booth with a 42 state sweep and a return of the Senate. the house will be close with ungovernable majority. rather let the Dems take the heat for that.

i guess Mi is damned and determined to have a pointless primary in 2 months

Levin, Dingell asks DNC for waiver to allow primary
November 29, 2007

WASHINGTON -- U.S. Sen. Carl Levin and Democratic National Committeewoman Debbie Dingell today asked the Democratic National Committee to let Michigan have its primary Jan. 15 of next year without losing any delegates to next summer's convention.

In a letter to the DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee, the two noted that Michigan only moved its primary up after other states did so. They said the state should be granted a waiver to allow the primary without being punished as Florida has, with the DNC planning to strip that state of its delegates.

Levin and Dingell said not only Florida but New Hampshire also announced its intention to go before the date selected by the DNC and that Michigan therefore shouldn't be punished. Last week, New Hampshire Secretary of State William Gardner selected Jan 8 as the date of the primary. Last year, the DNC determined New Hampshire could not move its primary before Jan. 22.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071129/NEWS06/71129047/1008

sure lets have a early primary with only hillary on the ballot. i love having a canidate forced on me. pfffhtt! im writing in king of zouk when the primary rolls around.

"wouldn't want the reality of the outside world to creep in and disturbe your dark universe."

I think the Libs were celebrating a bright future - faced with 17 GOP resignations & counting, in the House.

Zouk, no comment on the subject at hand - Chris's Friday Line predicting the top 9 (most likely) flips for the 2008 election as turning from GOP to lily-livered-liberals?

'Welcome to Jim Gilchrist's Minuteman Project Patriots Protecting ...
A citizens' vigilance operation monitoring immigration, business, and government. '

CC-i have two words to improve this blog, Ignore Button. think about it.

lyle,bsimon- i would follow up on the illegal immigration bit and say that might be a wedge issue that might split the base apart in 08. sure its not a big issue here here in MI(other than the occasional canuck overstaying his visa) but in the border states, it could peel away a few more house seats and probably capture a senate seat.

'so sorry moonbats. wouldn't want the reality of the outside world to creep in and disturbe your dark universe.

Last resort for Dems - attack personally when you have nothing of substance to say.'

trolls have no sense of irony.

so sorry moonbats. wouldn't want the reality of the outside world to creep in and disturbe your dark universe.

so far today - drindl's response - everyone does it, so what.

No one trusts the weather report one day out yet Libs are willing to spend billions to correct flawed data predicting 50 years out.

It is OK for private individuals to enact dualing foreign policies but not good when the admin does it. War is bad, talking is good, unless bush does it. clinton wars are good, even if you lose.

CNN is fair, fox is crooked, unless you have planted questions from Dems in which case forget it. hillary still hasn't answered a single hard question. Obambi - still no actual policies.

Last resort for Dems - attack personally when you have nothing of substance to say.

so just so I can get it clear Harry, what happened to "the war is already lost"? and where are the approps bills? It is almost December. Maybe you 11%ers can help poor old mottled dustball Harry out.

claudialong - "..and boko -- yours much funnier, more literate, of course..."
You must suffer from voidowitophobia - a fear of finding great humor in clearly amusing lines!

Good Riddance. The more the better. That's what happens when you can't live with yourself.

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oh he always posts the same crap over and over -- recycling, how virtuous. i think he sleeps till noon and that's when his shift for exxon starts.

Posted by: claudialong | November 30, 2007 12:52 PM

wait he has a job? how much does a internet troll pays?

'looks like one of our little posters has been beavering away all morning to have a supply of bleats ready to go when the 12 noon whistle went off.'

oh he always posts the same crap over and over -- recycling, how virtuous. i think he sleeps till noon and that's when his shift for exxon starts.

http://www.reuters.com/article/bankingFinancial/idUSSP7190720071127
"Family-ruled Abu Dhabi -- whose citizens number no more than 400,000 -- will be [Citigroup Incorporated's] largest shareholder. The investment reflects the increasing financial might of oil-producing countries, which have benefited from a five-fold increase in the price of crude oil during the last six years.

Gulf investors have announced more than $70 billion of foreign acquisitions this year, more than in the previous two years combined."

Hooray for the weak dollar! We can buy expensive oil, sending our dollars to foreign countries, who can then turn around and buy up our privately-held businesses. Its a whole new export market!

looks like one of our little posters has been beavering away all morning to have a supply of bleats ready to go when the 12 noon whistle went off.

more made up facts -- of which you are truly the king of zouk.

o btw, Syria was invited to Annapolis by the bush administration zouk, doesn't that just frost you?

course, cheney was dead set against it, because he cna't wait to get us into another war, can't stand the idea of peace, but he''s losing power, apparently. too bad, boohoo.

'A North Pole expedition meant to bring attention to global warming was called off after one of the explorers got frostbite."

Irrelevancy and absurdity hit a new high point... the permanent icepack and glaciers are melting/melted, but the fact that's still cold is somehow evidence of what? and i must say using rudy's buddy to excuse his lies is hilarious..

gee proud, why do i 'rant' about judy? because she's a truly vile and low life character that's why--because god only knnow what she'd be like as first lady -- she's a greedy nutcase.

you seem to feel it's just fine to rant about teresa kerry as i recall, and then of course there's hillary...

"Tourists from Europe are buying suitcases to truck home the tons of merchandise that is now bargain-priced due to the shrinking dollar"


In other news, tourists from Dubai are visiting Wall Street to take advantage of similar bargain pricing.


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For starters, U.S. temperature data suffer from the "garbage in, garbage out" syndrome. As surfacestations.org meteorologist Anthony Watts discovered, numerous NASA and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration temperature sensors are situated not in open fields at uniform heights, as required, but near parking lots, beside central-air exhaust ducts, and even above barbecue grills. These artificially elevate temperature reports.

Since 1970, previously whitewashed temperature sites have been painted with semi-gloss latex. Because it absorbs more heat, Heartland Institute scholar James Taylor wrote in November's Environment & Climate News, "latex paint at official temperature stations may account for half of the U.S. warming reported since 1970." Thus, America could reverse half the detected post-1970 warming that aggravates climate activists simply by stripping this latex paint and whitewashing these observation structures.

Stranger still, NASA adopted a new technique in 2000 to calculate average annual temperatures. NASA essentially gave a 0.27 degrees Fahrenheit (0.15 degrees Centigrade) "bonus" to readings for the last seven years.

However, Canadian statistical analyst Steve McIntyre of ClimateAudit.org caught NASA's mathematical mistake. After the space agency admitted and corrected its glitch, America's warmest year shifted from 1998 to 1934.

Global-warming enthusiasts should clarify why America was hotter during the less-developed Great Depression, yet cooler in purportedly carbon-choked 1998. In fact, 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2004 were cooler than 1900 -- three years before the launch of the Ford Motor Company.

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=MURDOCK-11-29-07

more made up facts

"Tourists from Europe are buying suitcases to truck home the tons of merchandise that is now bargain-priced due to the shrinking dollar. There are help wanted signs in the windows of shops all over town. Business is booming regardless of what the naysayers are spouting."


Manhattan: worlds largest outlet mall.

Unfortunately, many Democrats saw the change-of-heart in the electorate as a blanket endorsement of their own alternate universe. But it wasn't necessarily so. The voters were not necessarily interested in new ties with terrorist Syria, restoring diplomacy with Iran, gay marriage, abortion, minority-identity politics, new spending programs, open borders, closing down Guantanamo, an end to wiretaps of suspected terrorists, or the repeal of the Patriot Act.

The people were mad at the war not because they felt it was amoral or unsound policy, or because they hated George Bush, or because they wished liberals instead to end it in defeat -- but simply because they felt frustrated that we either were not winning, or not winning at a cost in blood and treasure that was worth the effort.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmM1Y2I0ZWRhYzkyMTZjYzAzNzlkNDFlYjcwZmE4NmI=

We are Dems, we make up the facts just to suit us. words mean just what I say they do, aLice. What does "is" mean again bill?

"This was really done to try to focus on my personal life," Giuliani told ABC News.'

and Monica Lewinsky was about what?

'Tourists from Europe are buying suitcases to truck home the tons of merchandise that is now bargain-priced due to the shrinking dollar.'

which most of us can't afford any longer. your point is?

and boko -- yours much funnier, more literate, of course...

Manhattan hotels are booked solid for the rest of the year. Tourists from Europe are buying suitcases to truck home the tons of merchandise that is now bargain-priced due to the shrinking dollar. There are help wanted signs in the windows of shops all over town. Business is booming regardless of what the naysayers are spouting.

I say, "It's all Bush's fault."

http://www.nysun.com/article/67300?page_no=2

are you surprised? Most forecasters can't reliably predit the weather one day out.

Posted by: bsimon | November 30, 2007 12:25 PM

your probably better off predicting the numbers for the lottery. a lot easier and profitable too!:D

http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-vpirq305481539nov30,0,3702179.story

Editorial: Capitalize on good news in Iraq
November 30, 2007
Reports of a steady reduction of violence in Iraq are now so consistent and credible that the effectiveness of the U.S. troop surge can no longer be denied.

Unless you are Herry Reid or one of the other defeatocrats.

Oh no drindl - facts. look out, the sky is not falling:

Since the Police Department would sometimes be slow in payment, City Hall would pay it first and the Police Department would reimburse every single penny of it," said Giuliani.

The front-running GOP White House contender called stories about the payments, first posted by Politico.com hours before Wednesday's Republican debate, a "typical political hit job."

"This was really done to try to focus on my personal life," Giuliani told ABC News.

Giuliani's deputy mayor, Joe Lhota, said there was no attempt to hide expenditures.

"If you wanted to hide something in the Office of the Mayor, you would have just automatically said, 'Police Department, you go get your credit card. You take care of this. You pay the credit card back,' " Lhota said on NY1 News. "But it was not working out, they were not paying on a timely basis."

Comptroller Bill Thompson, whose auditors in 2002 first detected the unusual payments, said a later review by Mayor Bloomberg's office found no misappropriation of funds.

"can't even get the weather right one year out."

are you surprised? Most forecasters can't reliably predit the weather one day out.

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Central Florida's most famous hotel owner, Harris Rosen, lashed out at hurricane expert Dr. William Gray for his gloomy storm predictions saying they have damaged state tourism. Rosen said he believes Florida lost billions of dollars in business because of Gray's outlook and even threatened a lawsuit. "Look, doctor, you've made these forecasts and you were wrong once," Rosen said. "You made the forecast and you were wrong twice. Are you going to continue to make these forecasts?"

can't even get the weather right one year out.

You can't make stuff like this up. The snicker factor just keeps mounting over the antics of global warming alarmists. Patrick Condon of the Associated Press reports: "A North Pole expedition meant to bring attention to global warming was called off after one of the explorers got frostbite." (Snip) I hope the two recover fully and come to realize that it can still be really, really cold in the arctic, no matter what Al Gore tells them.

You have the Illinois 11th District on your list, but you don't have all of the candidates running listed. In Illinois the Green Party is an official political party and Jason Wallace is the Green Party candidate for the 11th District.

bsimon: The illegal immigrant issue is mostly caused by business interests. Without the prospect of a job, there would be far fewer of these folks, and the last time I checked, business, small and large, were mostly Repub owned and operated, yet we are seeing this as a main issue for the Repubs. Talk about spin, whhoooeee.

why is it that the Repubs are willing to deabte on CNN (clinton news network) and be treated the way Dems say fox treats people. but Dems won't debate on fox out of fear of having their own methods used on them.

clearly two cable news stations are now donating in kind to the Democrats and should be investigated by the FCC. but Repubs won't jump at the chance to sue like Libs love to do.

' takes campaign money from criminals all the time (Jack Abramoff, Ken Lay ring a bell?), and cheney, the criminal, pardoned really bad criminals -- like the treasonous Libby.'

bokonon13 - "Still working on it - what do you think?" I think my definition is funnier.

claudialong - "the MM call themselves 'vigilantes'"
Please cite. Many others, including Bush, have labeled them vigilantes but to my knowledge, they do not call themselves that. At least it does not appear to be on their website.

Tom Davis is not the same moderate Republic that we elected some time ago. His current political position are those of the House GOP leadership and not reflective of Fairfax Country's more moderate population. That is way he is not as popular as before. I think he has lost his way and forgot who put him in the House.
He will have a very stuff reelection on his hands ,if he doesn't retire.

"The MM can be thought of as an advocacy group but that does not change the facts on the ground at the border - that the BP is and has been working with the MM for years. Since the goal of both are to, theoretically, keep people from crossing the border, what political agenda is being pushed?"

The article was light on details. The Minuteman Project invited Mr Day to AZ to see their operation. Was he invited because of his party affiliation? I'm mostly curious about who else is being invited to visit & review their project. I'm also curious about who pays for the trips. Perhaps its a non-partisan thing - we don't know. The article did mention that Rep Walz is also planning to visit AZ; it was unclear if this was in response to an invitation by an advocacy group, or on his own initiative. My concern is whether the MMP is working on a partisan basis & using taxpayer funded BP resources to further a political agenda.

proud, "top Dem Hillary Clinton" - who I am not that crazy about either, btw - lives with an accused perjurer (was he ever convicted? don't remember) who is also the most successful US president of the past 20 years, at least on several key measures. Yes, a not too discriminating horndog who was willing to lie about what he did with Monica... but I don't think Bushies want to go down the "honesty/openness" road at this point.

Dave, it's fun to make up words, isn't it? However, I would define "foxaphobia" more as "the fear of having intelligent debate and conversation, whose vocabulary and structure is of the level appropriate to literate adults, mocked and blocked by flashy graphics and simplistic appeals to the baser human instincts."
Still working on it - what do you think?

drindl, in re: your OT rant, what is it you find so important about bashing Judith Nathan all the time? You call her "a cheesy lowlife goldigger who lived with a number of men, including a criminal." Oh wow! She LIVED WITH men! Oooooh how shocking and rare is that these days? Come on, drindl.

Additionally, you may want to reconsider throwing the word "criminal" around so much. Your top dem Hillary Clinton currently lives with a criminal (perjurer-in-chief) and takes campaign money from criminals all the time (Norman Shu ring a bell?), and her husband, the criminal, pardoned lots of really bad criminals during his last days in the White House (147 pardons total). Lord only knows how many more pardons will be issued if they get in there again.

CC-what no mention about MI-9?

also i have bone to pick about wapo's coverage of obama being a muslim. ok who ever wrote that could have just went to snopes and that rumor would have been easily debunked! my question is when are you guys going to do a article about Mitt Romney's Mormonism? here's a hint, they didnt allow African Americans to join the church until 1978! where's the story guys?

claudialong,
"I've barely seen annapolis referenced anywhere -- and Syria is among those attending..."

Wow, the MSM failing to report on any measure of success or good news that comes from the Bush adminstration! I'm shocked. Must be that right-leaning media not wanting to overplay their hand...

Sorry for the OT post, but here's an interesting story about the 'religion of peace'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113000616.html?hpid=artslot

'sparcing' -- how do you do that?

Comprehensive Immigration reform, of the type favored by all the Democratic party's leading presidential candidates, includes substantially ramped up enforcement measures to secure the borders. Democrats care about illegal immigration too. We just realize that it's impossible to round up 12 million people and evict them.

Crazy "liberals" like GWB, McCain, Huckabee, Romney (till he ran for president), Rudy (till he ran for president), and some Reagan guy all have tended to agree with that last point. Till someone explains to me how an "eviction" plan is feasible, either logistically or economically, comprehensive reform is the only real solution that's been offered. Everything else is just wedge issue nonsense.

the MM call themselves 'vigilantes'

any person who takes the law into his or her own hands, as by avenging a crime.
-adjective

done violently and summarily, without recourse to lawful procedures: vigilante justice.

I think the Republican has a shot as long as you have the leading Democratic contender sparcing words on the war in Iraq:
http://enewsreference.wordpress.com/2007/11/30/bill-clinton-and-the-credibility-factor/

Word on Rudy finally getting out a litte:

'Well before it was publicly known he was seeing her, then-married New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani provided a police driver and city car for his mistress Judith Nathan, former senior city officials tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

"She used the PD as her personal taxi service," said one former city official who worked for Giuliani.

New York papers reported in 2000 that the city had provided a security detail for Nathan, who became Giuliani's third wife after his divorce from Donna Hanover, who also had her own police security detail at the same time.

The former city officials said Giuliani expanded the budget for his security detail at the time. Politico.com reported yesterday that many of the security expenses were initially billed to obscure city agencies, effectively hiding them from the public.'

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/11/giulianis-mistr.html

Wonder how this squares with the oft-cited poor approval rating for Congress?

Answer: People don't vote for "Congress."

bsimon - "The BP, like any other federal agency, is supposed to be non-partisan & has a job to do, that is funded by taxpayers. Are they now performing political duties on the taxpayers' dime?"

In reading the article, it seems that the II question is particularly relevant in this district so trying to get a first hand look at what is going on at the border seems to make sense (for both incumbents and challengers). The BP, from what i have read, has somewhat of a working relationship with the MM. I fail to see how spending time with both the MM and the BP and learning about an issue important to your district is a bad thing. I'm not sure how the Border Patrol showing anyone how they patrol the border is performing a political duty. I guess I am not seeing what your concern is. The MM can be thought of as an advocacy group but that does not change the facts on the ground at the border - that the BP is and has been working with the MM for years. Since the goal of both are to, theoretically, keep people from crossing the border, what political agenda is being pushed?

for you, mark in austin and nick -- excellent foreign policy piece about:

'This week, delegations from 50 countries descended on the historic waterfront town of Annapolis, Maryland, for the belated resumption of U.S.-led Middle East peace talks.'

http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2007/11/annapolis-middle-east-peace-talks.html

I've barely seen annapolis referenced anywhere -- and Syria is among those attending, so it's a really big deal in the war between condaleeza and cheney.

'The debate isn't based on facts its based on creating an emotional reaction to fire up the base.'

"That fact is that, like it or not, politics is largely now made up of wedge issues designed to fire up the bases."

It is that way because it's been the only republican tactic since Reagan. That's all they got and it got us where we are today.

The militiamen are actually 'anarchists' along with Ron Paul supporters, of course.

Nobody says D's want to treat illegals like citizens, except those trying to score cheap partisan points. It's a complex issue, which requires a complex solution-- apparently simple minds can't grasp that.

Bsimon -- hey every agency is partisan now, that was quite purposeful, wasns't it? The neocons weren't really incompetent at all--their failures in government were quite purposeful--to demonstrate how bad government is.

Stonecreek,
So if R's going to AZ to learn about the border situation is "xenophobia", does that make the D's who wants to treat illegals much like citizens and are OK with the status quo "anarchists"? Apparently there is a huge market for this within their base.

dave writes
"That fact is that, like it or not, politics is largely now made up of wedge issues designed to fire up the bases."

true enough. I agree that my use of xenophobia - accurate though it may be - could be considered to add to the rhetoric, rather than cool it.

However, in the context of the 2008 House cycle, I think its relevant to ask what activist groups are trying to influence our Reps or the candidates to be our Reps. In the article about Dick Day's trip to AZ, not only did he meet with the Munutemen Project, but with the Border Patrol as well. Is our Border Patrol now being used for political purposes by an advocacy group trying to forward a political agenda? That's a pretty relevant question, isn't it? The BP, like any other federal agency, is supposed to be non-partisan & has a job to do, that is funded by taxpayers. Are they now performing political duties on the taxpayers' dime?

I was in Trenton yesterday when the DCCC chair Chris Van Hollen pledged whatever's necessary to "flip" NJ-3 and NJ-7....maybe even nj-2.
here's the videoblog:
http://www.bluejersey.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6293

"The debate isn't based on facts its based on creating an emotional reaction to fire up the base. I find it to be the cynical politics of divide & conquer, rather than the productive politics of making this country a better place."

Kinda like "Bush lied, soliders died" rhetoric? Or "Bush is denying millions of children healthcare"? That fact is that, like it or not, politics is largely now made up of wedge issues designed to fire up the bases. I agree that it would be nice if pols would, at least sometimes, focus on policy solutions and productive politics. However, I think that tends to happen after people get elected, not during campaigns. Perhaps laying off the "homophobia" and "xenophobia" as well as the "un-american" labels would help in that matter. Naaaah!

Foxaphobia - Fear of debating on a stage where you might get asked a tough question.

Lostvotaphobia - Fear of losing votes due to enforcement of immigration laws.

Howdidivotaphobia - Fear of losing the primary because you voted for anything George Bush supported.

"The definition of xenophobia is 'Fear or hatred of strangers, people from other countries, or of anything that is strange or foreign.'"

Thanks for the accurate definition, Dave. This is exactly what the R candidates are attempting to appeal to, and there is a huge market for it within their base.

correction 1: MN-1 is held by TIM Walz, not Jim, as I said above.

correction 2: the answer to my conspiracy is to be had in the sub-title, which I must have read but not registered:

"At the behest of an advocacy group, Republican candidate Dick Day went to the U.S.-Mexican border, and others may follow."

http://www.startribune.com/10218/story/1579620.html

dave writes
"I am not sure I completely buy that but I will say that [immigration] is the key issue for the R's."

Clearly it is being built up as a key issue for the next election cycle. I'm wondering if there is an organized effort to educate GOP candidates by taking them to 'illegal immigration ground zero' for a crash course in the latest wedge issue.

Here's my beef: the people making the most noise about illegal immigration seem to me to be doing the least to propose rational solutions to the problem. The debate isn't based on facts its based on creating an emotional reaction to fire up the base. I find it to be the cynical politics of divide & conquer, rather than the productive politics of making this country a better place.

'Here's my question: is there an organized campaign to get GOP candidates/potential candidates down to AZ to visit with the minuteers for a crash course in xenophobia?'

Get used to it, bsimon. Immigrants are the new gays--the hated boogeyman the gopers need to bring out the Lizard Brains in their party to vote.

It seems homophobia isn't working like it used to [was there a single mention in the last debate? i didn't see one]--so now we're gonna get a whole lotta xenophobia instead. It's somethng that gets already angry white males reallly riled up, as you've noticed -- and that gets them to vote.

here's one for you, roo, re your post yesterday about that disgusting front page WaPo smear of Obama by the hack Perry Bacon..

http:/