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Democratic Debate Preview: The Final Face-off?

After 19 debates spanning the better part of the last year, tonight's one on one between Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton could be the last time the two appear on stage together for some time.

The debate -- set on the campus of Cleveland State University and sponsored by MSNBC -- comes at a critical juncture in the Democratic presidential race. Not only is it occurring one week before the Ohio and Texas primaries, it also comes amid widespread questions regarding the shakiness of Clinton's position in the race and what she will do if she loses one (or both contests) next Tuesday.

Let's set the scene before going into what we expect out of tonight's debate.

Over the last 24 hours, the Clinton campaign has received double-barreled bad news in the form of two new polls -- one by Gallup, the other by CBS and the New York Times -- that show her trailing Obama by double digits nationally.

In the CBS/NYT poll, Obama leads with 54 percent to just 38 percent for Clinton, while in the Gallup survey Obama has a slightly slimmer 51 percent to 39 percent lead.

The extent to which the two candidates have traded places over recent months was striking in both surveys. As recently as Jan. 13, Gallup had Clinton ahead of Obama nationally by a 45 percent to 33 percent margin, with John Edwards taking 13 percent. (It's worth noting, by way of context, that the survey went into the field two days after Clinton's come-from-behind win in the Jan. 8 New Hampshire primary.)

Even as recently as Feb. 2, however, Gallup found a statistical dead heat -- Clinton at 45 percent and Obama at 44 percent. Three weeks later, everything, it seems, has changed.

Look a little but further inside the Gallup poll and you start to understand why.

Asked which candidate did they think would be the Democratic nominee, a whopping 70 percent of Democrats and Democratic leaners chose Obama, while just 23 percent of that group named Clinton. Republican and Republican leaners were even more resolute about Obama's chances at the nomination, with 82 percent naming him and just 14 percent choosing Clinton.

Those numbers provide a startling contrast from a survey done by Gallup Jan. 4-6 in which 41 percent of Democrats named Obama as the likely nominee and 36 percent chose Clinton; Republicans opted for Obama 53 percent to 23 percent. (Again, context is important. The Gallup poll was in the field in the days following Obama's sweeping victory in the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3.)

As we have said and written throughout this contest, voters like to be with a winner, and the cavalcade of support that has gone to Obama over the past three weeks is yet another sign of this phenomenon. By winning ten consecutive victories in the primaries and caucuses between Feb. 6 and today, Obama for the first started to look like the inevitable winner. And the more Obama looks like he is going to be the nominee, the more people everywhere start to believe it -- a self fulfilling prophecy cycle.

Putting the polling aside, the landscape doesn't look much better for Clinton, as her campaign seems to be struggling to stay on message of late. Take yesterday as an example: Clinton gave a major foreign policy address in Washington in which she highlighted her deep background while drawing an implicit contrast with Obama's relative dearth of experience on the issue.

But the publication of a photo of Obama dressed in traditional Somali clothing on the Drudge Report -- and accusations over whether or not it was being circulated by the Clinton campaign -- dominated the day's news coverage.

Whether or not you think the Clinton campaign was behind the leak -- and they deny they were -- the practical effect of the story was that a day-long news cycle was wasted. The speech, which should have been the news driver of the day, was overshadowed by the flap over the photo.

Clinton must find a way to change the dynamic of this race and fast. Given that need, expect her to be the aggressor tonight -- seeking to portray Obama as someone who says one thing but does the other. Specifically, Clinton will attack Obama's image as a reformer, charging that his campaign is making misleading claims about her trade record and is failing to denounce the influence of outside groups working on his campaign's behalf. Clinton, however, has yet to crack the code on how best to attack Obama without having it rebound negatively on her.

Obama is well aware that he is in the catbird's seat entering tonight's debate. Given his strong performance in last week's debate in Austin, it seems as though Obama has nicely settled into the role of frontrunner.

The one potential danger for Obama is that he allows his status as the frontrunner go to his head.

In last week's debate, Obama was nearly pitch-perfect, but he hit one discordant note when, defending himself from charges of plagiarism, he said this: "So what I've been talking about, in [these] speeches -- and I've got to admit, some of them are pretty good." The line drew a laugh but also suggested that Obama had become -- at least monetarily -- a little too full of his speech-making abilities.

Voters like a confident president; they don't like cocky. Obama needs to make sure that he doesn't get too comfortable on stage tonight as it could lead to him dropping his guard right as Clinton takes a big swing.

One final note about tonight: The memorable moments in these debates are not usually produced by pre-prepared one-liners (Clinton's "change you can Xerox" clunker being the most recent example) but rather by off-the-cuff exchanges or unrehearsed statements that convey real emotion and conviction. Those unpredictable moments are what we will be watching for tonight.

By Chris Cillizza |  February 26, 2008; 6:22 PM ET  | Category:  Eye on 2008
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Posted by: vxacq ozadkh | April 16, 2008 9:25 AM

to all you left wingers, i have a prediction. if obama is elected he will disband the us secrete service to be replaced by hamas. he will disband the us army to be replaced by the republican guard. louis farrakhan will be the secretary of state. the homley wife will head up homeland security,fbi,dept of justice, cia, dept of labor, irs, and garbage collections.

another missle brought to you by cowpatti...

Posted by: barbaraheinly | February 27, 2008 11:06 AM

jacksmith: you cannot be so stupid as to believe the garbage you just posted. the clintons were the most corrupt polititions ever to be elected to the white house.

by cowpatti...

Posted by: barbaraheinly | February 27, 2008 10:41 AM

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT:-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

Best regards

jacksmith...

Posted by: JackSmith1 | February 27, 2008 7:58 AM

truth hurts, huh, Baghdad Bob?

Anyway, the facts are laid out there. I said you said God's a Democrat, you said you didn't. I said I'd produce a cite, and did. it's there for _anyone_ to check.

Cheer up! Now you have something in common with your heroine -- you're both proven liars who talk out of both sides of your mouth.

Oh, and stop spamming. For just one example, here's how you posted "We'd rather compromise and work together with the Republicans, and God knows, we've tried. But the Republicans not only haven't tried, they've laughed in our face when they blocked health care for poor sick kids." over and over:

Comment on: Kumbaya Caucus at 1/30/2008 10:11 PM EST
Comment on: Democrats Out of the Desert at 1/30/2008 10:08 PM EST
Comment on: Edwards Exacts Pledge as He Leaves at 1/30/2008 7:47 PM EST
Comment on: Billary's Adventures in Primaryland at 1/26/2008 12:34 PM EST
Comment on: Obama Is Big Winner in S.C. Primary at 1/26/2008 12:20 PM EST
Comment on: Billary's Adventures in Primaryland at 1/26/2008 12:12 PM EST
Comment on: Now or Never for Obama at 1/23/2008 7:13 PM EST
Comment on: Bill Clinton, Scoring a 3rd Run at 1/23/2008 8:56 AM EST

That's EIGHT times, including twice in the same article. Don't you think that's a little much? Like the Clintons, you're (a) a liar (b) devoid of original thoughts.

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 11:49 PM

gbooksdc --

You lie every time your lips move.

Posted by: svreader | February 26, 2008 11:26 PM

Oh, Bob, BTW, do you want me to cite where you _specifically_ said, not merely Harvard lawyers, but Harvard Law Review presidents? I think _that_ blog's still up.

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 11:14 PM

gbooksdc --

I never said "God is a Democrat"
That's pure BS.

I said I've hired and fired lots of people like Obama over the years.

People who look good and speak well but don't have any substance.

I have had lots of Harvard lawyers over the years.

Don't twist my words.

As far as who I'm going to vote for, I was starting to open back up to voting for Obama until I saw your post.

Obama supporters are going to lose this election by driving people away.

Avalle, you are the most reasonable Obama supporter I've run into.

Its too bad so many of them are like gbooksdc.

Posted by: svreader | February 26, 2008 09:43 PM
_______________________________________
Comment on: The Magnetism of a Message at 1/5/2008 2:35 PM EST
We need to focus on the issues, and I strongly agree with one of the earlier posters here, that we need to focus on the values of the Democratic party, which are the real values of the American people.

If Superman existed, he'd be a Democrat.

God exists, and is.
___________________________________________

Baghdad Bob, you have been caught in a lie.

(The cite _currently_ is at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/community/mypost/index.html?plckPersonaPage=PersonaComments&plckUserId=svreader&newspaperUserId=svreader&plckCurrentPage=161. BB posts so much that the page number could increase.)

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 11:12 PM

No knockouts. So, Obama continues on to the nomination.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 10:39 PM

He closed extremely well. He makes the case for himself very clearly and with conviction.

Hillary's was good, too, a bit long but got better as she went on, but I give Obama the edge.

Posted by: hitpoints | February 26, 2008 10:39 PM

Russia--Tim asked them what they know about Putin's successor--she went first and was well prepared.

He response seemed a bit weak, but he did well in projecting how he would handle a crisis in Kosovo.

I believe she does mean well, but I think she'll do more good as Majority Leader in the Senate--PLEASE let her replace Reid.

I'm just hearing the opening section--the whole "I always go first" and SNL remark are nauseating. Stop whining!

Posted by: chadibuins | February 26, 2008 10:38 PM

again, he cannpt be accused of bashing her, nor of being sexist, and I don't think he came across cocky or arrogant either.

She's a good closer though, I'll give her props there.

Posted by: chadibuins | February 26, 2008 10:35 PM

What was the Russia question?

Posted by: C3_UK | February 26, 2008 10:34 PM

I think his answers/responses/statements have been very well thought out and appropriate.
.

I think he came across the stronger candidate and more presidential

Posted by: chadibuins | February 26, 2008 10:33 PM

WOW! Talk about risk taker--he came right out and said he should not have been inactive in the cause of justice where a "life" was concerned.

Is he trying to do what she said in the last debate?

I wish his Russia question would have been stronger.

Posted by: chadibuins | February 26, 2008 10:30 PM

love the terry schiavio answer!

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 10:30 PM

Oops, she wants to run on experience, but when called on something she did that's questionable (Iraq Authorization of Force), she's suddenly all about the future!

Posted by: hitpoints | February 26, 2008 10:28 PM

he came back and said he rejected and denounced.

I think she won the Russia question

but he didn't trip up

Posted by: chadibuins | February 26, 2008 10:26 PM

Kind of a cheap shot to fluff herself, but she has a point. Obama did not affirm he rejected Farrakhan's support - he basically said he couldn't, if Farrakhan wants to support him, it's out of his (Obama's) hands.

Hillary rightly pointed out that Obama could go further than denouncing some of Farrakhan's more controversial statements, and could publicly state that he rejects Farrakhan's support, doesn't want it, and wants nothing to do with him. But this could cost him votes. I think it was valid for Hillary to point out that she did exactly that in a similar situation, where there was a risk of lost votes. Obama takes the safe way out. Don't want to diss all those Nation of Islam voters!

Posted by: hitpoints | February 26, 2008 10:20 PM

hitpoints, i don't think he was trying to keep him from restating the farrakhan crap--its all over the net--I think he was saying--look I don't think like this and I don't want this retort---he then showed that committment by the way he ceded HRC's point and THEN went further and said he denounced and rejected.

and when can HRC splinch words--we've all heard her waltz around the Iraq vote and long overdue apology.

Posted by: chadibuins | February 26, 2008 10:19 PM

now she's pandering to the Jewish voters.

Obama is right, the AA community and Jewish community have historically been allies.

and listen to him now he's one upping her
GOBAMA!

Posted by: chadibuins | February 26, 2008 10:15 PM

Hillary takes a cheap shot.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 10:14 PM

Whew, Obama really didn't want Russert to go into details of what Farrakhan has said about Jews! He stopped Russert from quoting some pretty nasty stuff from Farrakhan.

Posted by: hitpoints | February 26, 2008 10:13 PM

I appreciate his remarks, and I hope that Russert's treatment tonight puts to bed any claim of HRC media bias.

Posted by: chadibuins | February 26, 2008 10:10 PM

I really don't understand why she is hesitant to release her taxes. What could she lose? At this point, she needs to eliminate any negatives she possibly can.

Posted by: hitpoints | February 26, 2008 10:07 PM

I'm glad Tim asked him about public financing. I think he gave a qualified answer.

he was even humble enough to compliment HRC

and now it sounds like she's trying to copy what he was saying but with less genuineness.

Posted by: chadibuins | February 26, 2008 10:06 PM

C3_UK --

We're in serious danger of losing any chance of getting universal health care.

Posted by: svreader | February 26, 2008 10:05 PM

I am stuck at work w/ limited internet so u guys r feeding me the details. Don't leave anything important out!!!

Posted by: C3_UK | February 26, 2008 10:03 PM

excellent . . . beautiful thanks hitpoinnts

sad that cleveland can pull it off but MSNBC can't

Posted by: chadibuins | February 26, 2008 10:02 PM

oh, oh.

tears in the eyes again.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 10:01 PM

Who won the MSNBC Democratic Debate in Cleveland Ohio?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1788


.

Posted by: PollM | February 26, 2008 10:00 PM

For anyone having trouble with the MSNBC streaming video, try this instead, an Ohio TV station:

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=83964

Click view video. It's crystal clear with good sound, no skipping.

Posted by: hitpoints | February 26, 2008 9:58 PM

again with the health care!

she sounds like a one=note wonder.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:57 PM

"sounds good"

PERFECT.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:53 PM

gbooksdc --

And if you can't, I expect you to post an apology, agreed?

Posted by: svreader | February 26, 2008 9:52 PM

Unleashing the inner nun.

At least it's a real debate!

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:48 PM

i'm doing the audio only and AM Radio sums up the experience.

No NBC radio, NO NPR, no one simulcasting audio :(

Posted by: chadibuins | February 26, 2008 9:47 PM

OK, svreader. I'm going to dive into your posts. Within an hour, I'll post a link proving you're lying.

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:45 PM

Run, Hillary, run!

I think Hillary thought the debate was going to be moderated by Tina Fey.

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:45 PM

gbooksdc --

I never said "God is a Democrat"
That's pure BS.

I said I've hired and fired lots of people like Obama over the years.

People who look good and speak well but don't have any substance.

I have had lots of Harvard lawyers over the years.

Don't twist my words.

As far as who I'm going to vote for, I was starting to open back up to voting for Obama until I saw your post.

Obama supporters are going to lose this election by driving people away.

Avalle, you are the most reasonable Obama supporter I've run into.

Its too bad so many of them are like gbooksdc.

Posted by: svreader | February 26, 2008 9:43 PM

"as careful getting out as we were careless getting in" - great line, I hadn't heard it before

Posted by: avalle | February 26, 2008 9:43 PM

hitpoints: ditto on watching the stream.

Actually, if you only listen, it's not that bad (it's like an AM station going in and out).

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:43 PM

Dang. He's winning on points on every issue thus far.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:42 PM

VERY effective answer by Obama.

If she's smart, Hill will let this job and change the subject.

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:41 PM

SNAP!!

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:40 PM

bus in ditch! Love it.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:40 PM

yeah me too on watching on the net--its the site, every other download I try seems to work fine.

I was trying to find an audio only version, but no luck--doesn't anyone simulcast on radio anymore?

Posted by: chadibuins | February 26, 2008 9:40 PM

How did we democrats since 2000 suddenly become constitutionally incapable of good judgment in choosing the right presidential candidate to nominate for the general election?

First Kerry. Now Obama.

Geez.

We fell for Kerry because Karl Rove head faked us with the Swift Boat ploy. We're falling for Obama because he has Kennedyesque oratory. The man is Robert Redford in 'The Candidate'. We need a standard-bearer with substance, experience, a steady compass of belief, and proven leadership on a national and global stage. This person was not Kerry. And it isn't Obama.

Posted by: johnbarber6 | February 26, 2008 9:39 PM

Nixon traveled to foreign countries a lot, as well.

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:39 PM

bomb PAKISTAN!!

she's laughable!

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:39 PM

I don't see any reason to flame svreader. We support different candidates, but that doesn't make us mortal enemies - remember the ultimate goal, and I would hope svreader would support Obama if he's the candidate just as she would hope other Democrats support Clinton if she gets the nomination.

Posted by: avalle | February 26, 2008 09:25 PM
_________________________________________

Respectfully, I don't make things up. svreader asserted that Obama would not get a secy clearance bc of his admitted drug use as a youth. I and at least one other poster quoted from the SF86 and showed that Obama could honestly answer the relevant questions in a manner consistent with receiving a secy clearance. (If you like a cite, I'll duck out of this blog and get it.) svreader has stated -- look through his comments, you'll find it -- that God is a Democrat. He has posted that he has hired and fired Harvard Law review presidents like Obama. Those are facts. If you take that as a flame, so be it.

Personally, I have no hate whatsoever towards svreader. He really is the Baghdad Bob of the Bloggers (not my term, I'm plagiarizing) and as such, as provided me much amusement over the past few days.

Oh, and BTW, if Obama gets the nomination, svreader has repeatedly posted he'll vote for McCain. I take him at his word. 1.2MM more like him and the Dems will be in trouble in California.

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:36 PM

The debate is practically unwatchable for me. I don't have cable, so I'm watching on the Internet (Verizon DSL). I had no problem watching the CNN debate this way, but on MicroSoft NBC, its constantly buffering and skipping.

Posted by: hitpoints | February 26, 2008 9:35 PM

We're destroying the person who could help us most.

Hillary has a remarkable mind for policy.

She would have been a great President!

I hope we still get the chance!

Posted by: svreader | February 26, 2008 9:35 PM

avalle --

I'd be his biggest fan if he had the guts to come out in favor of "single payer"

Nader is right about it, just like he is about more issues than you can count, but he's a vanity candidate.

The Republicans claim that Obama is the most liberal member of the Senate.

If that was true he'd have my vote in a heartbeat.

The problem is that he's acutally been the one triangulating, and that's why his policy proposals are so screwy.

My only hope at this point is that if he gets in he winds up being as "left wing" as the Republicans fear, because we gone way to far to the right in this country.

Again, if Obama's policies matched his rhetoric, I'd be his biggest fan.

Posted by: svreader | February 26, 2008 9:32 PM

wow, russert is tearing into her!

Posted by: avalle | February 26, 2008 9:32 PM

Why does the media get so involved with "facts that affect people" but rather express unfactual, bias information about canidates..for example above (or on the front page of this) they refer to the national poll as if it was Ohio or Texas Poll.

Posted by: mitch_garner | February 26, 2008 9:30 PM

I love how he manages to speak positively in his answers...She tends to keep it negative....

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:29 PM

Smart move by Obama to assume Hillary's position.

Tim Russert's a pro. He won't let Hillary baffle him with BS.

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:29 PM

no avalle I don't support mass murderers, period. and the sooner dems stop voting for chickenhawk dems the more frequently they'll get vote.

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 26, 2008 9:28 PM

Actually, she's making a big mistake. The jobs aren't going to Canada and Mexico, they're going to China and India and the Phillipines, and that's not NAFTA.

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:27 PM

Can you imagine McCain here...he'd be trying to make Bob Newhart jokes...

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:27 PM

oh yes HRC's consistency on trade...

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 26, 2008 9:26 PM

Attacking Russert is a good thing.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:26 PM

I don't see any reason to flame svreader. We support different candidates, but that doesn't make us mortal enemies - remember the ultimate goal, and I would hope svreader would support Obama if he's the candidate just as she would hope other Democrats support Clinton if she gets the nomination.

Posted by: avalle | February 26, 2008 9:25 PM

Russert is doing a good job of trying to make her stick to her record.

Posted by: dyork | February 26, 2008 9:25 PM

The weasel's caught now. She's trying to have it both ways.

Change the subject girl. . .

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:25 PM

She's in trouble now. . .

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:24 PM

frankly the first question is random. she lost the coin toss last time, and Obama picked second question. My guess is she lost the coin toss tonight, but of course, it is just more media bias...

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 26, 2008 9:23 PM

He's great on NAFTA too.

So much for the lack of substance charge.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:23 PM

This is the only issue that worries me about Democrats. Free Trade is overwhelmingly positive, more jobs have been lost to automation than trade, do we have to ban robots now?

Posted by: ChicagoIndependant | February 26, 2008 9:23 PM

Oh, Bob, there you are!

You proved you didn't know what you were talking about on Obama's security clearance, now you get to demonstrate you don't know what you're talking about on health care.

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:22 PM

She is glaring at him. That won't play well with the audience.

Posted by: dyork | February 26, 2008 9:22 PM

go home svreader! you post the same thing over and OVER again and you are an idiot. you have not done research on the topic. if you support universal you should support single-payer and if it is that important to you than you vote for ralph nader.

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 26, 2008 9:22 PM

Is she going to put a time-out on everthing? I thought she was ready day one!!!

Posted by: dyork | February 26, 2008 9:20 PM

SNL???

this is Presidential????

WOW.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:20 PM

poor Hillary getting the to answer questions first

boohoohoo

Give me break

Posted by: ChicagoIndependant | February 26, 2008 9:20 PM

oh yes, that's right the SNL skit that basically argued that b*tch is the new n*gger...

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 26, 2008 9:20 PM

Under Hillary's plan, everyone would be covered. Obama's would leave 15 million uninsured.

Why doesn't he go for "single payer"

That's what a true liberal would do.

That's what we need.

That's what every other modern country has.

If Obama took the policy positions that matched his rhetoric I'd be his biggest fan.

Why are his policies so much more to the right than his rhetoric?

Why is he so far to the right of Hillary???

Posted by: svreader | February 26, 2008 9:19 PM

She is losing it. In fact, I think she's lost it. SNL ranks with Jimmy Carter's discussing nuclear weapons with his daughter.

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:19 PM

awful - citing Sat Night Live? Whining about going first? She's falling apart in fornt of our eyes?

Posted by: avalle | February 26, 2008 9:19 PM

Oh my God. She is bringing up SNL again!!! I think I heard boos.

Posted by: dyork | February 26, 2008 9:19 PM

actually i think discussing the massacre of hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqis is more important that bs dissection on healthcare...

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 26, 2008 9:19 PM

Geez. Hillary, let somebody else talk!

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:18 PM

It's all downhill for Clinton now. Healthcare is her best issue, and she didn't to that well.

Posted by: avalle | February 26, 2008 9:18 PM

Well, the "he doesn't have command of the health care issue" dog won't hunt.

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:17 PM

nice point on medicare part b

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 26, 2008 9:17 PM

i think this is all gobbledy-gook to 90% of Americans.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:15 PM

I guess with Hillary, you can't torture terrorists, but you can torture analogies to death. "Voluntary" Social Security?! Puh-leese!

Posted by: gbooksdc | February 26, 2008 9:15 PM

The joy of watching Obama's campaign apparatus, beyond his oration and progressive policy, has been its willingness to take a punch and return it, hard. What a novelty to see a Democrat willing to fight, but also do it in a manner that's subtle and cunning rather than flailing. Make no mistake, this campaign will box your jaws if need be, and there will be no shortage of pudgy Republican mouthpieces who will need exactly that in the months ahead. Delicious.

Regarding the media giving Obama a "free ride," it's worth noting here that Obama courts the media much less than his opponents. There's no great buddy/buddy relationship here as has existed between McCain and the media, for example. To the extent the media are letting Obama slide (over what, exactly?), it may simply be a reflection of a general public that is highly impressed by what it sees.

Obama/Sebelius in '08!

Posted by: jims1 | February 26, 2008 9:14 PM

Obama is making the key point. Hillary won't say HOW she will mandate her plan. Without the piece of information her plan is just words.

Posted by: dyork | February 26, 2008 9:14 PM

she's losing it.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:14 PM

I wish there were time limits on the responses. Then we could see more ground covered.

Posted by: Midwestreader1 | February 26, 2008 9:14 PM

but hill doesn't stand for universal healthcare! her own healthcare guru, Jonathan Gruber, argues that single-payer is the only way to go with universal coverage, and readily admits that her plan is not truly universal. spare us. if we want universal healthcare, one should vote for nader.

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 26, 2008 9:13 PM

lol..kinda glad i missed the stare.

he's doin great thus far

seems believable,

amazing how he never takes the bait.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:12 PM

I liked the "We haven't whined about it." line from Obama.

Posted by: dyork | February 26, 2008 9:11 PM

hill wouldn't know anything about cherry-picking...

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 26, 2008 9:10 PM

wpost, you missed the "stare".

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 26, 2008 9:10 PM

wow. that was his most articulate critique of her healthcare plan when he could have taken the bait on the attack...

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 26, 2008 9:09 PM

Hillary says that Health Care is a passion of hers. has she done ANYTHING while in the Senate to work this issue?

Posted by: dyork | February 26, 2008 9:06 PM

she can't even look at him...not good.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 9:06 PM

how come we don't get to see the 'skies' moment?

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 26, 2008 9:05 PM

oh they hit her with her own footage, ha ha ha ha

Posted by: alarico | February 26, 2008 9:05 PM


20th debate. Get real. The third of one on one. And that's not enough to get to know Mr. O.

Trust me. Big dumb going on.

Posted by: Thinker | February 26, 2008 9:01 PM

we may just be witnessing the end of an era...

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 26, 2008 9:01 PM

so cute. they're like jilted junior high-school lovers, pretending each other doesn't exist on stage...

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 26, 2008 9:00 PM

I am hoping and praying that tonight will be Hillary's last debate. Her ranting and raving sounds so ridiculous truly, Just imagine her on tv in a real crisis.....

Posted by: grdn_nell | February 26, 2008 8:57 PM

To elaborate on my above prediction and stick my neck out even farther, I believe Hillary will pull out all the stops and mention the Weathermen. As the Clinton campaign has been watching the Gallup Daily Tracking Poll, they have no doubt noticed that her numbers have held relatively stable since she came out swinging, but his have slid a few critical points. For her, going super-duper-negative is a calculated risk she's willing to take.

Posted by: rippermccord | February 26, 2008 8:55 PM

Why does it feel like the nation is the mental ward waiting for nurse Ratchet to show up? or the author in the bedroom waiting for Kathy Bates?

bizarre.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 8:55 PM

ONE CAN ONLY HOPE TONIGHTS DEBATE AND TUESDAY'S PRIMARIES WILL PUT US OUT OF HRC'S MISSERY. THE SAD THING IS SHE COULD STILL HAVE A GREAT POLITICAL FUTURE BUT I FEAR SHE IS SELF-DESTRUCTING:(

Posted by: ED_SCOTT | February 26, 2008 8:54 PM

Yes, it is striking how the 2 candidates switched places.
But that shows how powerful you and the rest of the media are in making and breaking candidates. Senator Clinton has not had a chance with the media--both liberal and conservative in that both had a ball attacking her relentlessly. In sharp contrast, Senator Obama has had a free ride.
The good old boys are set to score again a gender victory. And this time around, the so-called liberal ones--not their conservative counderparts--are to be blamed.
For more on this, read:
http://www.reflectivepundit.com/reflectivepundit/2008/02/hillary-bashing.html
http://www.reflectivepundit.com/reflectivepundit/2008/02/the-good-old-bo.html

Posted by: bn1123 | February 26, 2008 8:54 PM

here is a prediction:

If Hillary mentions Rezko, then she is in it to win it and really is pulling out all the stops. If she doesn't then she is resigned to her fate already. Although Obama could just play it off with a "politics as usual" response even if she does.

He is in such a good position. She has to KNOCK HIM OUT to do anything at all, but all he has to do is look forward and smile and people will say he won.

Posted by: srg5007 | February 26, 2008 8:44 PM

I think there was a Freudian slip above: "at least monetarily" as opposed to "at least momentarily".

Posted by: cdavis1381 | February 26, 2008 8:41 PM

CC, really... "...pre-prepared one-liners..." ?? I suppose that's better than...post-prepared one liners?

Sorry...It is hard to produce the volume of real-time words you do every day and I appreciate the effort....just couldn't help myself on that one.

Posted by: malis | February 26, 2008 8:33 PM

I'm sure glad we won't have to hear Hillary for very much longer. Of course we'll have to listen to the Clintonistas whine for the next 4 years, but that's OK too.
What's going to be really fun is listening to the neo-cons when their man McCain comes home with a whopping 25% of the vote in November.

Posted by: eco-pharm | February 26, 2008 8:27 PM

P.S.

Chris, do I get a Fix T-shirt for being so dead-on last week?

Posted by: rippermccord | February 26, 2008 8:17 PM

As I predicted Feb. 19 in my final comment to "Democratic Debate: It's All Over":

"I agree with your analysis. But wait until Feb. 26. The tone will change, picking up steam from Hillary's side as her poll numbers continue to slide before March 4."

In light of Sen. Clinton's recent refusal of medication, think I'll stick with that for my prediction of tonight's fireworks.

To add an Obama storyline:
Obama makes his case with hardly a ruffled feather

Posted by: rippermccord | February 26, 2008 8:13 PM

I won't be surprised if Sen Clinton tries a few more scripted lines that flop. I'll be disappointed if Sen Obama brings up the picture fiasco from yesterday.

Posted by: bsimon | February 26, 2008 8:11 PM

piktor, this story was told tonight on Lehrer - I found an online version. I thought it was a ray of sunshine. A talk radio idiot endorses McC, than slams BHO; McC really disavows it in no uncertain terms, and BHO acknowledges the gesture with courtesy.

It really will be a world better than the Giuliani-Clinton race we Indies once feared.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 26, 2008 7:58 PM

Talk radio is some of the most interesting stuff out there. It is like watching an episode of "COPS" without the picture.

Posted by: steveboyington | February 26, 2008 7:48 PM

mark_in_austin | February 26, 2008 07:30 PM

Give the idiot his meds.

Posted by: rfpiktor | February 26, 2008 7:36 PM

Of course this is it. Hillary will either be the nominee by making a crazy comeback or will lose one or both states and is finished. She's promised to go hard after Obama: will it happen?

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl | February 26, 2008 7:36 PM

During the second hour of his show, "Willie" became Wild Bill when he attacked McCain for apologizing.

"He just threw me under the bus for the national media. I have had it," Cunningham blasted. "With McCain and -- I'm going to endorse Hillary Clinton. I want Hillary Clinton to become the next president of the United States. I am going to throw my support behind Hillary Clinton."

Overall breakdown: Cunningham attacked Obama. McCain apologized for the attack. Cunningham endorsed Clinton instead of McCain. And Huckabee, who one would figure would receive Cunningham's endorsement after today, was left out.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 26, 2008 7:30 PM

From today's Head of State:
headofstate.blogspot.com

Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Clinton Compares Obama To Bush

From today's WP:

"We've seen the tragic result of having a president who had neither the experience nor the wisdom to manage our foreign policy and safeguard our national security," Clinton told students at George Washington University. "We cannot let that happen again. America has already taken
that chance one time too many."

Obama, of course, is not Bush.

Whereas Bush is intellectually incurious, and views intellect and complexity with fear, masked by a reflexive and reductionistic contempt, Obama is intellectually curious, seeks out and embraces ideas, and is interested in their utility, rather than their conforming to a narrow and predetermined plan, and will bring this intellectual strength and ability to his policies.

Whereas Bush is inflexible to the point of parody--and tragedy--making a virtue of failing to reexamine assumptions even when it is clear they are not working-- because cognitive rigidity is, for him, equated with strength, as opposed to the "weakness" of making distinctions--Obama has both firm convictions and the ability to advance and adapt those beliefs to changing circumstances. He has the ability to adapt on the basis of effectiveness and utility, rather than to react impulsively, to stand stubbornly still without any substantive basis, or to fail to adapt, based on fear.

Whereas Bush begins from a point of defensiveness, viewing much of the world in terms of those who need to be taken down a peg from their know-it-all-stance-- the hallmark of a life of earlier resentments, imposed on the world of foreign policy--Obama operates from a position of engagement with people and with ideas. He wants to know; is capable of objective evaluation, and seeks to bring new voices into his dialogue, rather than deflecting them.

Whereas Bush has used advisers as a circle of wagons and a complexity filter, keeping criticism, real-world intricacies, and cognitive dissonance to a minimum, Obama appears to welcome advice, using advisers
as a resources rather than as a shield.
And, whereas Bush connects with the resentments of the angry everyday man, who feels unfairly downtrodden by those that, in their intellectual and emotional confidence and passion, remind them of their own flaws and fears, and who resents those who might receive help, when they feel they have received none, is unlike Obama--who connects with the willingness to aspire rather than to the fear of it; to the hope of devoting the best of
oneself to a community and nation rather than self-protectively dividing it; and to the desire to replace the primacy of tactics and cronyism in favor of shared principle and truth.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/02/clinton-compares-obama-to-bush.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | February 26, 2008 7:22 PM

19 Debates maybe but not between just Clinton and Obama. I think we heard that nonsense somewhere before but from where?

Oh yea, no one but a man with something to hide like Barack Obama could argue we as American voters don't need more.

This brings me back to your last article so I reposted me comment here as it still relates. Enjoy!


You should know Chris the media has protected Barack Obama and as you also know there is a legitimate unreported reason why people especially Hispanic/Latinos should not blindly vote for Barack Obama. I have been reporting all over the internet since before Obama decided to even run that it can be verified that IL. U.S. Senator Presidential Candidate Barack Obama , IL. U.S. Senator Dick Durbin co-chair Obama 2008 are being complicit in allowing the Illinois Department of Human Rights and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to treat me an American U.S. Hispanic citizen who reported incidents of race discrimination in the state of Illinois in an unequal, biased, & discriminatory manner by preventing me the same race discrimination charges non-Hispanics enjoy as a matter of record and then covering up their conduct. Despite there being ample time for each to respond, redress, and stop the above mentioned serious form of discrimination nothing ,to date, has been done to fairly & fully address, redress,and stop this still ongoing serious form of discrimination which has allowed Hormel Foods Corporation, UFCW, and Target Corporation to not be held accountable for race discrimination against me because I happen to be Hispanic. Inaction ,complicity, & deliberate silence on the part of (for instance but not limited to) Obama and Durbin are responsible for my American civil rights continuing to be violated in Illinois as it relates to this serious form of discrimination in their state of Illinois and for nothing being done to fully & fairly redress and stop this still ongoing form of discrimination against an American who happens to be a Hispanic in Illinois. Hispanics who Know are just showing they will not be willing victims of his "Good Judgment". He has this still going on in Illinois as we speak but Barack Obama tells Hispanic/Latinos nothing about it! I repeat this is verifiable, ongoing and Barack Obama should address it but does not and you can guess why. Included is a link to just one example (If you happen to be a Hispanic in Illinois you have no race and therefore cannot be a victim of race discrimination as I can atest) this is on IDHR's own website in the public domain.

http://www.state.il.us/dhr/Orders/2006/Oct_06/Zuniga,%20M.htm

This is nothing knew and Chris Cillizza is no diffrent. "The Fix" on all your pro-Obama cable appearances you do not even mention an improper relationship between Barack Obama and UFCW. And nothing about what is happening to date in Illinois despite me posting this verifible information on your blog as far back as april 2007. Barack Obama has gotton a free pass for to long wouldn't you agree.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/04/fix_picks_edwards_and_obama_un.html


Posted by: Chaos45i | February 26, 2008 7:22 PM

Why do people call a question and answer talkathon a "debate"?

Posted by: rfpiktor | February 26, 2008 7:18 PM

"I have repeatedly stated my respect for Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton, that I will treat them with respect," McCain said before any questions were asked. "I will call them senator, that we will have a respectful debate, as I have said on hundreds of occasions. I regret any comments that may be made, about these two individuals who are honorable Americans.

"We just have strong philosophical differences, so I want to disassociate myself with any disparaging remarks that may have been said about them...I did not set up the program but I take full responsibility."

Of the apology, the Obama campaign said, "We appreciate Senator McCain's remarks. It is a sign that if there is a McCain-Obama general election, it can be intensely competitive but the candidates will attempt to keep it respectful and focused on issues."

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 26, 2008 7:16 PM

lol zouk - I think Obama had what, 10 present votes out of a few hundred votes cast? Oh no! How about the fact that McCain has missed more Senate votes (55%) than either Obama or Clinton?

David Brooks is trying to be cutting edge by "predicting" that Obama supporters will have buyers' remorse. Giving it a cute name "Obama Comedown Syndrome" is just his sad attempt to turn his unsubstantiated opinion into a trend. That's exactly what voters need - more trends.

Are you nothing than a parrot for pundits? You rarely have original thoughts (if ever, now that I think about it) and post more libelous junk than you post actual constructive information. You are a malignant tumor on this discussion forum.

On to more important things, though. Clinton is doing exactly what John Edwards did right before he dropped out. Get angry that the media is covering the people who the voters actually like, accuse the media of not giving you enough attention (when in actuality it is just the voters who don't like you) and then, shortly after, drop out, which is exactly what Clinton will/should do shortly after March 4.

Whatever she does in the debate tonight is too late. Obama need not engage her. She has no chance at dethroning him unless she can get him to trip up over some words and say something he doesn't mean, which just isn't going to happen. He's too smart for her lowball tactics. I can't wait for her campaign staffers to eat their whiny words about the media and Obama. Give it a rest Clinton - you're done.

Posted by: thecrisis | February 26, 2008 7:13 PM

Last week, David Brooks, an influential New York Times columnist, said supporters are starting to suffer from the Obama Comedown Syndrome.

"Up until now, The Chosen One's speeches had seemed to them less like stretches of words and more like soul sensations that transcended time and space," wrote Brooks.

"But those in the grips of Obama Comedown Syndrome began to wonder if His stuff actually made sense. For example, His Hopeness tells rallies that we are the change we have been waiting for, but if we are the change we have been waiting for, then why have we been waiting since we've been here all along?"

Other columnists and TV commentators have wondered if Obama's support has gone from movement to "personality cult."

It's perhaps a valid question about a man who was cheered at a Dallas rally last week for blowing his nose

Focus on Obama's record was highlighted last week when Texan state senator Kirk Watson was asked on MSNBC to name "any" of Obama's legislative achievements and could come up with one.

They included a Time magazine piece on Obama's penchant for sidestepping issues in the Illinois senate by voting "present" and a look at how he watered down a bill affecting a nuclear power company that contributed to his campaign.

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/080226/w022611A.html

the big letdown for Libs is coming soon. How can you field the two worst possible candidates and not experience buyers remorse?


Posted by: kingofzouk | February 26, 2008 7:01 PM

Yep, she's going to try to "New Hampshire" Texas with the sympathy vote:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/oneofamillion/?sc=1636

Posted by: brooksofsheffield | February 26, 2008 6:52 PM

She seems to have given up on attracting new voters and is focusing on holding her base. I think the behind the scenes messaging that women need to save this woman will be the order of the day for the next seven days and start to become more visible.

Basically, while railing against sexism on one hand, she will play the gender card with the other (don't know if this URL will come through, but if you see her video, you'll get the idea): http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/oneofamillion/?sc=1636

Posted by: brooksofsheffield | February 26, 2008 6:49 PM

They will debate and I will listen - but sometimes I feel like I have a voice whispering in each ear, whispering conflicting messages. Go left, no - go right....
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/02/26/schizophrenic-politics-a-penrose-triangle/

Posted by: glclark4750 | February 26, 2008 6:49 PM

Will we see the attack dog clinton or the crying victim this time? will anyone ever ask Obama a question with any substance and will he ever answer with a real response?

Posted by: kingofzouk | February 26, 2008 6:39 PM

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