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rfpiktor - You are right, I here the roar and read the words of little people.

Folks: As an attorney and former prosecutor, I can tell you that Cindy McCain's sentence to rehabilitiation was/is common. It is the first thing you try when you have a nonviolent drug addict with no other criminal history. If this was Round II or Round III with drug problems for her, there would have been other consequences including some jail time. I would be shocked if she went to jail for a first offense. She just doesn't fit the profile of a hardened criminal that needs to be punished.

I do not question Cindy McCain as First Lady. I question whether or not she could even get a $9.00 an hour job.
Most jobs require urine analysis.

The thing is, she's a drug addict and a thief
In the recovering community, we all know that the partner of an addict is as sick as the addict
One thing Cindy said that impressed me was that she was the only person John McCain could trust
Now, you are really in a sad state of affairs when the only person you can trust is a junkie.

Well, good old Kreepy Bill Kristol comes right out and shares republican strategy with Hill:

"This morning on Fox News Sunday, New York Times columnist Bill Kristol recommended that Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) employ the "politics of fear" to attack Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL):

KRISTOL: [Obama's] riding a wave of euphoria. She [Clinton] needs to puncture it. The way you puncture euphoria is reality, or to be more blunt, fear. I recommend to Senator Clinton the politics of fear.

Kristol explained that his fear-mongering political strategy would focus on Iran."

Nedra Pickler -- a GOP hack and writer for AP -- picks up and spreads the anti-obama email and lies. This will be the chief attack line on obama now. He doesn't wear a little plastic flag pin, so therefore he's not patriotic. Seriously. This is how desperate they are. This is how utterly stupid politics is this country has gotten.

WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.

Now Obama's wife, Michelle, has drawn their ire, too, for saying recently that she's really proud of her country for the first time in her adult life.

Conservative consultants say that combined, the cases could be an issue for Obama in the general election if he wins the nomination, especially as he runs against Vietnam war hero Sen. John McCain.
"The reason it hasn't been an issue so far is that we're still in the microcosm of the Democratic primary," said Republican consultant Roger Stone. "Many Americans will find the three things offensive. Barack Obama is out of the McGovern wing of the party, and he is part of the blame America first crowd."

"Does Obama have a patriotism problem?

The AP's Nedra Pickler asks disgraced Republican dirty-trickster Roger Stone for his opinion. Stone you'll remember is the guy who got caught making threatening phone calls to New York Gov. Spitzer's (D-NY) elderly father and last month set up an anti-Hillary group with the acronym C-U-N-T.

Surprisingly enough, Stone thinks the answer is yes."

"JD, I got a robocall from "the voice of Chelsea". She is officially FAIR GAME."

that sounds really ugly--like someone contemplating a gang bang. i'm surprised. what has chelsea clilnton ever done to anyone, except work for her mother, whom she presumably loves? I don't recall her ever making any nasty public jokes about john mccain, as he has done to her. those of you who want to excuse cindy mccain for her past, or minimize it, are exactly the same folks who would excoriate any democrat who did the same. what she did -- a woman who had everything in life handed to her, and stole another woman's husband on top of it, shouldn't be given a free pass. she only got out of the mess she was in -- and most people would have gone to prison -- because her parents and her husband bailed her out. there's little to be proud of here:

'In 1989, Cindy McCain became addicted to opioid painkillers such as Percocet and Vicodin.[23] She later attributed her addiction to pain following two spinal surgeries for ruptured discs[24][25] as well as emotional stress during her husband's entanglement in the Keating Five scandal of that time,[23] which also involved her role as a bookkeeper who had difficulty finding receipts of Keating-related expenses.[14] The addiction progressed to the point where she resorted to stealing drugs from her own AVMT.[24]

During 1992, Tom Gosinski, the director of government and international affairs for AVMT, discovered her drug theft.[26] Subsequently in 1992, McCain's parents staged an intervention to force her to get help;[14] she told her husband about her problem, attended a drug treatment facility, began outpatient sessions, and ended her three years of active addiction;[23] a hysterectomy in 1993 resolved her back pain.[23][25] In January 1993, McCain terminated Gosinski's employment on grounds of budgetary reasons.[26] In spring 1993, Gosinski tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration to investigate McCain's drug theft.[26] Her activities violated federal statutes, so a federal investigation was conducted. McCain's defense team, led by Washington lawyer John Dowd,[26] secured an agreement with the U.S. Attorney's office that limited her punishment to financial restitution and enrollment in a diversion program, [4][26] without anything being made public.'

rfpiktor | February 25, 2008 06:52 AM

Kathy, Cindy, Tweety Bird, the gal that is the septuagenarian's wife.

I wrote Kathy, it should be Cindy.

braveheartdc | February 25, 2008 04:04 AM

Go tell it to Senator Obama!

After he is through with the Billarys, Kathy and Johnny will by utmost on his mind: The Septuagenarian versus The Lion.

Do you hear the roar of the little people?

vammap | February 24, 2008 05:50 PM

This is my reply to your seriously concerned advise on big bad Michelle of 1985:

"Ok, so whats the big deal?"--from the top reply to the story at Politico.

I've met Cindy McCain on a few occasions, and I must say that she is quiet, shy, beautiful, and very nice. She is an absolute asset to John McCain in this campaign, and she would make an amazingly popular first lady. Trust me on this. The more America gets to know Cindy, the more it will love her. I'm not sure the same is true for Michelle Obama ("for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am proud of my country" won't win many votes where I come from).

Is Chris pro-Obama?

Why isn't he talking about the patriotism flack: Michelle Obama's anti-American comments backed up by Princeton thesis?

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/23/michelle-obamas-princeton-thesis-reveals-doubts-about-her-own-integration/

Doesn't Obama deserve the scrutiny Hillary has had?

txazga, obviously, it's okay if the teenager becomes a Republican later in life.

More on-topic: once again, John McCain is a man ahead of his time: http://www.miamiherald.com/215/story/367376.html

To Dave:

So going buy your logic, when a teenager makes a mistake, even if he changes his life around and become a productive member of society, we should hold that mistake over him for the remainder of his life?

To Dave:

So going buy your logic, when a teenager makes a mistake, even if he changes his life around and become a productive member of society, we should hold that mistake over him for the remainder of his life?

I can't say I'm a fan of Cindy McCain or that I yearn for a first lady who reminds me of a Barbie doll, but the lack of sensitivity about her drug abuse is amazing.

Chronic pain - and the use of drugs to manage it - is a serious problem that is often poorly addressed by both the medical and legal communities. It's understood and treated better today, but I think her problems occurred nearly 20 years ago, when both understanding and resources were more limited. Give it a rest, guys. She admitted the problem and received treatment - good for her.

wpost4112 -"He was a typical teenager."

Typical? I guess I was not typical since the only Coke I did was Coca-cola (same with my wife). This attitude that everybody does coke/drugs and this is no big deal is the reason that we have the drug issues we do. There should be nothing typical about people doing illegal drugs.

Campaign Diaries just came out with its latest House ratings, with a detailed analysis of every vulnerable House race (and there are many!). THere are good news for both parties: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/houserankings

The New York Times count has only allocated 34 of Wisconsin's delegates, but assume all 37 pledged delegates go to McCain. According to the numbers below, that would leave him needing 358 of 524 remaining bound delegates (just over 68%) to guarantee nomination on the convention's first ballot. What concerns me is that liberal journalists and members of the Republican establishment seem to be succeeding in brainwashing Republican voters. Rasmussen's daily tracking poll showed McCain's lead narrowing from 31 points (55%-24%) to 12 points (45%-33%) during February 9-13. As of Saturday it was back to 53%-29%. Still, Governor Huckabee is showing remarkable staying power considering the way the media is presenting--or rather not presenting--the race.

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How John McCain may still lose the nomination
By Jay Rogers
February 14, 2008

The John McCain camp informed us yesterday that it is mathematically impossible for Mike Huckabee to win the nomination. What they won't say is that McCain stands a good chance of losing the nomination as long as Huckabee stays in the race.

Huckabee only has to win half of the remaining delegates to block McCain from the nomination. And even if he falls a few short of that, many of the delegates in McCain's column will be unbound delegates who may in fact vote for anyone they choose on the first ballot...

The McCain camp thinks the "mathematically impossible" rhetorical ploy will hide a few obvious facts from the voting public, who tend to believe the media pundits rather than research how the nomination process actually works...

McCain will not be the nominee until he has 1,191 bound delegates pledged to him...

There are 774 delegates left to win. If John McCain has exactly 814 delegates (and 18 of these are unbound delegates who are still able to change their mind), then he needs an additional 387 to clinch the nomination with 1,191.

Ironically half of 774 is exactly 387... Huckabee only needs to get 51 percent of the remaining delegates to block McCain...

Even though McCain is the delegate leader, unless he reaches 1,191 delegates, he cannot win in the first round of the convention. If he loses and it goes to the second round, he is not guaranteed any of those delegates...

McCain currently has 796 bound delegates and 18 unbound delegates. McCain needs 395 bound delegates to reach 1,191 in the remaining states.

Now here's the math ...

Wisconsin - 37 bound and 3 unbound
Puerto Rico - 20 bound and 3 unbound
Texas - 137 bound and 3 unbound
Ohio - 0 bound and 88 unbound!
Rhode Island - 17 bound and 3 unbound
Vermont - 17 bound
Mississippi - 36 bound and 3 unbound
Pennsylvania - 0 bound and 74 unbound!
North Carolina - 69 bound
Indiana - 27 bound and 30 unbound
Nebraska - 30 bound and 3 unbound
Hawaii - 20 bound
Kentucky - 45 bound
Oregon - 27 bound and 3 unbound
Idaho - 26 bound and 6 unbound
New Mexico - 29 bound and 3 unbound
South Dakota - 24 bound and 3 unbound

There are 561 bound delegates left. If we are speaking of the number of bound delegates that John McCain must win, then he needs 71% of the remaining 561 to reach 1,191 bound delegates.

Huckabee will probably win Mississippi, Nebraska, Kentucky, and South Dakota. If this happens, then McCain would have to win just about every remaining delegate to be guaranteed enough bound delegates to win the nomination, and that is not likely to happen...

The media pundits lump both bound and unbound delegates in their totals. This is very misleading. Huckabee may block McCain in the first round delegate vote at the convention and then win on a second, third or fourth ballot. Until someone has a majority, the candidates keep striking deals and the delegates keep voting.

Abraham Lincoln won the nomination on the fourth ballot in the Republican convention in 1860 although William Seward was the pre-convention favorite.

So while unlikely, if there is enough dissent in the GOP come summer, McCain could be denied the nomination if he doesn't have enough bound delegates. But more likely, if he falls short of 1,191 in both bound and unbound delegates, then a conservative coalition could arise that would nominate Huckabee or another conservative as the Republican candidate ...

The New York Times count has only allocated 34 of Wisconsin's delegates, but assume all 37 pledged delegates go to McCain. According to the numbers below, that would leave him needing 358 of 524 remaining bound delegates (just over 68%) to guarantee nomination on the convention's first ballot. What concerns me is that liberal journalists and members of the Republican establishment seem to be succeeding in brainwashing Republican voters. Rasmussen's daily tracking poll showed McCain's lead narrowing from 31 points (55%-24%) to 12 points (45%-33%) during February 9-13. As of Saturday it was back to 53%-29%. Still, Governor Huckabee is showing remarkable staying power considering the way the media is presenting--or rather not presenting--the race.

==========

How John McCain may still lose the nomination
By Jay Rogers
February 14, 2008

The John McCain camp informed us yesterday that it is mathematically impossible for Mike Huckabee to win the nomination. What they won't say is that McCain stands a good chance of losing the nomination as long as Huckabee stays in the race.

Huckabee only has to win half of the remaining delegates to block McCain from the nomination. And even if he falls a few short of that, many of the delegates in McCain's column will be unbound delegates who may in fact vote for anyone they choose on the first ballot...

The McCain camp thinks the "mathematically impossible" rhetorical ploy will hide a few obvious facts from the voting public, who tend to believe the media pundits rather than research how the nomination process actually works...

McCain will not be the nominee until he has 1,191 bound delegates pledged to him...

There are 774 delegates left to win. If John McCain has exactly 814 delegates (and 18 of these are unbound delegates who are still able to change their mind), then he needs an additional 387 to clinch the nomination with 1,191.

Ironically half of 774 is exactly 387... Huckabee only needs to get 51 percent of the remaining delegates to block McCain...

Even though McCain is the delegate leader, unless he reaches 1,191 delegates, he cannot win in the first round of the convention. If he loses and it goes to the second round, he is not guaranteed any of those delegates...

McCain currently has 796 bound delegates and 18 unbound delegates. McCain needs 395 bound delegates to reach 1,191 in the remaining states.

Now here's the math ...

Wisconsin - 37 bound and 3 unbound
Puerto Rico - 20 bound and 3 unbound
Texas - 137 bound and 3 unbound
Ohio - 0 bound and 88 unbound!
Rhode Island - 17 bound and 3 unbound
Vermont - 17 bound
Mississippi - 36 bound and 3 unbound
Pennsylvania - 0 bound and 74 unbound!
North Carolina - 69 bound
Indiana - 27 bound and 30 unbound
Nebraska - 30 bound and 3 unbound
Hawaii - 20 bound
Kentucky - 45 bound
Oregon - 27 bound and 3 unbound
Idaho - 26 bound and 6 unbound
New Mexico - 29 bound and 3 unbound
South Dakota - 24 bound and 3 unbound

There are 561 bound delegates left. If we are speaking of the number of bound delegates that John McCain must win, then he needs 71% of the remaining 561 to reach 1,191 bound delegates.

Huckabee will probably win Mississippi, Nebraska, Kentucky, and South Dakota. If this happens, then McCain would have to win just about every remaining delegate to be guaranteed enough bound delegates to win the nomination, and that is not likely to happen...

The media pundits lump both bound and unbound delegates in their totals. This is very misleading. Huckabee may block McCain in the first round delegate vote at the convention and then win on a second, third or fourth ballot. Until someone has a majority, the candidates keep striking deals and the delegates keep voting.

Abraham Lincoln won the nomination on the fourth ballot in the Republican convention in 1860 although William Seward was the pre-convention favorite.

So while unlikely, if there is enough dissent in the GOP come summer, McCain could be denied the nomination if he doesn't have enough bound delegates. But more likely, if he falls short of 1,191 in both bound and unbound delegates, then a conservative coalition could arise that would nominate Huckabee or another conservative as the Republican candidate ...

Cindy Hensley McCain is more than a beautifully groomed accessory--she is the principal owner and chairman of her family's Arizona alcohol distribution business, the largest in the State. In some circles she is known as the 'Mob Princess', due to the close Hensley family links of business and friendship to the late crime family boss Joe 'Bananas' Bonanno and his orgnaization.

Another beautiful but more vocal asset to her husband's campaign is Michelle Obama. Michelle Robinson Obama claims to have grown up in 'a one bedroom tenement on Chicago's south side'. This does not square with the facts of her Father's US$42000 plus a year salary in the late 1960's-80's (More than US$150000 in today's dollars) as an engineer with Chicago Water or the lst floor 4 bedroom apartment on Euclid Avenue, Chicago in which she was raised--an area of spacious homes in tree lined garden streets! Nor with the fact that Mrs. Robinson did not work but spent her time ensuring that her son and daughter has the best that could be offered to comfortably middle class children--the magnet school for giftd children, home cooked nightly family dinners, music lessons, sports and vacations that were all taken for granted by the young Michelle.

It is sad that for political gain, Michelle Obama now lies about her background and her father's achievements in providing so well for his family.

Cindy Hensley McCain is more than a beautifully groomed accessory--she is the principal owner and chairman of her family's Arizona alcohol distribution business, the largest in the State. In some circles she is known as the 'Mob Princess', due to the close Hensley family links of business and friendship to the late crime family boss Joe 'Bananas' Bonanno and his orgnaization.

Another beautiful but more vocal asset to her husband's campaign is Michelle Obama. Michelle Robinson Obama claims to have grown up in 'a one bedroom tenement on Chicago's south side'. This does not square with the facts of her Father's US$42000 plus a year salary in the late 1960's-80's (More than US$150000 in today's dollars) as an engineer with Chicago Water or the lst floor 4 bedroom apartment on Euclid Avenue, Chicago in which she was raised--an area of spacious homes in tree lined garden streets! Nor with the fact that Mrs. Robinson did not work but spent her time ensuring that her son and daughter has the best that could be offered to comfortably middle class children--the magnet school for giftd children, home cooked nightly family dinners, music lessons, sports and vacations that were all taken for granted by the young Michelle.

It is sad that for political gain, Michelle Obama now lies about her background and her father's achievements in providing so well for his family.

Cindy Hensley McCain is more than a beautifully groomed accessory--she is the principal owner and chairman of her family's Arizona alcohol distribution business, the largest in the State. In some circles she is known as the 'Mob Princess', due to the close Hensley family links of business and friendship to the late crime family boss Joe 'Bananas' Bonanno and his orgnaization.

Another beautiful but more vocal asset to her husband's campaign is Michelle Obama. Michelle Robinson Obama claims to have grown up in 'a one bedroom tenement on Chicago's south side'. This does not square with the facts of her Father's US$42000 plus a year salary in the late 1960's-80's (More than US$150000 in today's dollars) as an engineer with Chicago Water or the lst floor 4 bedroom apartment on Euclid Avenue, Chicago in which she was raised--an area of spacious homes in tree lined garden streets! Nor with the fact that Mrs. Robinson did not work but spent her time ensuring that her son and daughter has the best that could be offered to comfortably middle class children--the magnet school for giftd children, home cooked nightly family dinners, music lessons, sports and vacations that were all taken for granted by the young Michelle.

It is sad that for political gain, Michelle Obama now lies about her background and her father's achievements in providing so well for his family.

Cindy Hensley McCain is more than a beautifully groomed accessory--she is the principal owner and chairman of her family's Arizona alcohol distribution business, the largest in the State. In some circles she is known as the 'Mob Princess', due to the close Hensley family links of business and friendship to the late crime family boss Joe 'Bananas' Bonanno and his orgnaization.

Another beautiful but more vocal asset to her husband's campaign is Michelle Obama. Michelle Robinson Obama claims to have grown up in 'a one bedroom tenement on Chicago's south side'. This does not square with the facts of her Father's US$42000 plus a year salary in the late 1960's-80's (More than US$150000 in today's dollars) as an engineer with Chicago Water or the lst floor 4 bedroom apartment on Euclid Avenue, Chicago in which she was raised--an area of spacious homes in tree lined garden streets! Nor with the fact that Mrs. Robinson did not work but spent her time ensuring that her son and daughter has the best that could be offered to comfortably middle class children--the magnet school for giftd children, home cooked nightly family dinners, music lessons, sports and vacations that were all taken for granted by the young Michelle.

It is sad that for political gain, Michelle Obama now lies about her background and her father's achievements in providing so well for his family.

Maybe it's minor to the rest of you, but it still bothers me a lot that Cindy and John lied to each other right up to getting the marriage license - and Cindy thought it was 'funny' enough to talk about in an interview:
http://www.harpersbazaar.com/magazine/feature-articles/cindy-mccain-0707
He was also 42, 18 years her senior, a difference Cindy "never noticed" until a year later, when, applying for their marriage license, "we discovered we'd both lied. I'd made myself three years older, he four younger.

I can see being less than truthful early on, but not having a "by the way..." moment tunil the amrriage license? Just seems a little too much image over reality - which seems to have kept happening in their marriage. I just have doubts that the problem is limited to their marriage.

"So it's perfectly fine with you if your candidate is a former coke-head, purchased illegal street drugs from drug-dealers and didn't suffer any legasl consequences for it. That's ok with you."

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He was a typical teenager. She was an atypical adult and a mother who stole drugs from a charity and got off because her husband intervened. There is a difference.

Mrs. Obama:
"For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country, because it feels like hope is making a comeback... not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."

Mrs. McCain:
"I don't know about you, if you heard those words earlier -- I am very proud of my country."
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For the life of me I do not think there is anything going on here worthy of comment, at all. Two women are proud of their country. One is real proud for the first time since 1982. Before that she was really proud, then not so much, I guess. The other is very proud now but presumably was before. These statements are hardly worth the moment that only a 24/7 news cycle can afford to give to blather.

Give me a break...these Obamanuts are really foaming at the mouth on this one.

So it's perfectly fine with you if your candidate is a former coke-head, purchased illegal street drugs from drug-dealers and didn't suffer any legasl consequences for it. That's ok with you.

Your situational ethics is appalling, and you should be ashamed of yourselves for castigating Cindy McCain in this way. She, like many, many other people became tolerant to pain pills and started doing things she wouldn't normally do to obetain them.

As a pharmacist, I can tell you with certainty that this is very common, and it happens to people from all walks of life. Opiod addiction does not discriminate among class, race, or anything else. In fact, I would say that the more affluent, sheltered person has an increased chance of getting hooked on these pain meds because they often have no experience with mind-altering chemicals, and it blindsides them.

There are many thousands of people who got addicted to pain pills after surgery, a certain percentage always will whn given these drugs. It is not a moral failing. It is often the last person you would expect who has this happen to them. Good for Cindy that she got help and recovered, many never do.

And Obama? He didn't get his drug of choice from a Doctor. You wanna talk about crimnal activity? Give me a break.

So Chelsea's in, eh? OK then. I just hope they don't pimp her out (oh, sorry, am I allowed to say that?)

Of course you see Cindy shadowing McCain at every event, the campaign's known about the Times article for months.

Her "standing by her man" might be more effective if you could find a glimmer of real affection between them.... one giveaway was her referring to "her" children.

If you want to see real affection between spouses, watch the Obamas.

The expression in Cindy's eyes says she is an unhappy woman who has sold out.

http://whathappenedtomycountry.blogspot.com

JD, I got a robocall from "the voice of Chelsea". She is officially FAIR GAME.

Well well, it turns out the dirty little trick by the NY Times has severely jumpstarted McCain's fundraising efforts. How ironic would it be if this Democratic cheerleader ends up responsible for a Democratic defeat, in a year that by all measures should be a shoo-in for the Dems.

As for the battle of the wives: seems to me that the comment about Michelle was completely in bounds, given that Obama's wife has willingly and actively put herself into the arena. Contrast that with, say, attacks on Chelsea, or the Bush twins, who make no effort to be public advocates for their candidate.

Cindy is the driving force behind John's Presidential campaign. She completely re-organized his staff and drove the New Hampshire win.

The comparison to movie characters is beyond ridiculous.

Nevertheless, her dig at Michelle Obama was gratuitous and reflects poorly on her.

Her presence with John is neutral. She has at much at stake as he does.

The growing story of his relationship with lobbyists will be the more important and damaging one.

Does anybody else notice the striking resemblance of Cindy McCain to Eva Peron. She also definitely has the same cunning that propelled Juan Peron to the top of the Argentina political system. Is the US going to get its own Evita with Cindy. I hope not.

obviously the McCain campaign considers her an asset. He is shlepping her everywhere he goes. To be honest, I'm starting to think he needs to cut the apron ties with her. It looks like he's afraid to go anywhere without Mommy. I'm pretty sure she's by his side every single moment because she's 18 years younger than he is and maybe she can make him look like a vigorous old guy.

It seems to me a difficult role that the spouse must play as the always reliable,and visible,supportive standby. In my lifetime, I recall the long-suffering Pat Nixon who has been followed by so many others: Mrs. Gary Hart, Mrs. Bill Clinton, Mrs. David Vitter, Mrs. Larry Craig are just a few that come to mind. Mrs. McCain is following the standard part the public has come to expect.

McNasty was courting Cindy while still married to his first wife. So she knows he's capable of having affairs while married.

Bad news for St. John and St. Cindy:

Broadcaster Lowell "Bud" Paxson today contradicted statements from Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign that the senator did not meet with Paxson or his lobbyist before sending two controversial letters to the Federal Communications Commission on Paxson's behalf.

Paxson said he talked with McCain in his Washington office several weeks before the Arizona Republican wrote the letters to the FCC urging a rapid decision on Paxson's quest to acquire a Pittsburgh television station.

Paxson also recalled that his lobbyist, Vicki Iseman, attended the meeting in McCain's office and that Iseman helped arrange the meeting. "Was Vicki there? Probably," Paxson said in an interview with The Washington Post today. "The woman was a professional. She was good. She could get us meetings."

Fellow Clintonite have you ever witnessed such arrogance. These Obamanites go around spewing hate and lies. They act like they don't need us or Repubs to win in Nov. They deny any negativity. Wait until that old geezer puts that arrogance where the sun doesn't shine.
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Hopefully that old geezer will never be the next president. 8 years of this administration enough for you? McCain is the continuation of Bush policy. Enough of his Bomb,bomb, bomb Iran or wants to fight Russia and China. Is he out of his mind? We can't even finish Iraq and Afghanistan. No more warmonger in the WH.

I see the nasty Obamabots are all over this board spewing their normal hatred. I'm a Clinton supporter, but I think Cindy McCain has comported herself with class. Very First-lady like, unlike the unpatriotic, self-serving Michele Obama

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Fellow Clintonite have you ever witnessed such arrogance. These Obamanites go around spewing hate and lies. They act like they don't need us or Repubs to win in Nov. They deny any negativity. Wait until that old geezer puts that arrogance where the sun doesn't shine.

I think her face looks like plastic and she should seriously reconsider her choices in prosthetic skin.

Michelle Obama should debate her. Cindy is creepy and Michelle is awesome.

Posted by: thecrisis
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Comments like this, common from most Obamanites, is the very reason I chose Hillary when Edwards dropped out. It is going to be hard to find a reason to vote for them, if they win. This campaign's arrogance appals me. Don"t they realize they need our votes in Nov?

"My children and I know that John would never do anything to disappoint the people of America. He is a man of great character." Huh???? Cindy, how will you feel when a politician makes a comment about your teenaged daughter like John made about Chelsea Clinton in 1998? "Why is Chelsea so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father."

On that day, John, you did "break the trust" of this American parent. And you've continued to demonstrate your questionable character with your outbursts to colleagues and teenagers. How will you handle heads of state who get you mad?

At the press conference Cindy stood next to McCain awkwardly, smiling while he spoke of this serious stuff, her eyes not sure where to look and moving around. Struck me as wavering between utterly false and just not knowing what to do w/ her face & body lang. Comprendo that they put her there to Stand By Her Man, but, that being the only reason for her to be standing next to McCain at a press conference, only struck me as reinforcing that there were tawdry insinuations to deflect - the sole reason she was there. She spooked me. Was tough to focus on the content, w/ the bizarreness of her presence and the more bizarrenes of how she handled herself, and the phrase "Stepford wife" constantly intruding on my attempt at following the substance....

I think Cindy McCain did great, but then again it was against relatively base-less smear-like claims. However, will any of this help improve McCain's overall ratings? See:

Obama vs. McCain- The Google Factor:
http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=48

I think Cindy McCain did great, but then again it was against relatively base-less smear-like claims. However, will any of this help improve McCain's overall ratings? See:

Obama vs. McCain- The Google Factor:
http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=48

I think Cindy McCain did great, but then again it was against relatively base-less smear-like claims. However, will any of this help improve McCain's overall ratings? See:

Obama vs. McCain- The Google Factor:
http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=48

I can't get past the mesmerizing effect of her soft-serve ice-cream hairdo. (ROFL)

I see the Obamatrons are all over this board. I'm a Clinton supporter and I think Cindy McCain has shown a lot of class. Very First-ladylike.

Michele Obama could take some lessons from her. It's almost funny how some of you have made her the victim for her disgusting remark. That's what cult members do. I'm sure Mrs. McCain can't wait to apologize for saying she has ALWAYS been proud of our country.

She undoubtedly helped John by standing firmly by him during the NYT's spurilous attack.

Why in the world does Cindy McCain have to stand right over hubby's shoulder at *every* single freaking event?? Does she really have to be in every camera shot--what exactly is the point of her even being there? I saw a picture somewhere of McCain talking to the press corps on a plane and guess who's lurking barely a step behind... To tell you the truth, her presence is kinda creepy.

I see the nasty Obamabots are all over this board spewing their normal hatred. I'm a Clinton supporter, but I think Cindy McCain has comported herself with class. Very First-lady like, unlike the unpatriotic, self-serving Michele Obama.

I think she helped John McCain a great deal by standing firmly by his side during the NTY spurilous attack.

I am not so worried about the lobbyists as I am worried about John's apparent connections to an alien race.

And so I have to disagree with jabailo, who wrote: "The McCains say "We Are Human""

That is clearly not true. The woman is obviously from another planet. I am pretty sure that John's chipmunk cheeks are actually Cindy's secret control implants.

Obviously she is alien plant that is here to secretly take over the planet earth.

We cannot let that kind of alien pride destroy our country.

I agree with Rosa2. The first thing that came to mind when I saw Cindy McCain's picture this week was Cruella de Vil. I don't think I can stand 4 years of Cruella as First Lady.

Is this about loving John McCain...or loving America! The Obamas have already stated that unless they get to be Presidents, they have never been proud of their country.

The McCains say "We Are Human...but We Love and Respect America!"

Lose the pink. It makes you look like Obama.

She is really scary... those eyes... she reminds me of that woman, was it, Cruella Deville in 101 Dalmatians? And is John EVER allowed to go anywhere without her....

wow. what a weak piece. I suspect the style piece had more depth.

THIS IS THE TRUTH SPEAKING...

Johnny Mac is a dirty bird. He talks out of both sides of his mouth when it comes to special interests and lobbyists. I've been in some sorry trash myself, but never a lobbyist. What other enemies of America will we catch Johnny Mac in bed with?

frieda406, just to clarify, Cindy took drugs from the charity, not money to pay for drugs. It was a medical charity, and that's why they had drugs. I sincerely doubt Cindy would have a clue how to find a drug pusher. Her back problem combined with easy access just equalled too much temptation. (As she said, she was trying to be the 'perfect' wife, which meant not being open about the pain she was in.) Hardly in the same category as Rush Limbaugh using his housekeeper to get him drugs.

I consider that part of her life a closed case. She learned from it and moved on. Everyone makes mistakes.

If she apologizes to Michelle, I'll consider that a closed case as well.

Based on the little I knew about her, I really liked Cindy McCain - right up to the point she made that snarky comment about Michelle Obama. What has Michelle ever done to her?

Michelle doesn't go around twisting other people's words around. She's been quite straightforward and honest about what she thinks and believes. She talks about the importance of education and working hard and contributing to the community - just what I want kids to hear. I like her.

Unfortunately, the snarkiness kept coming into my mind when I watched Cindy defend her husband. That and the word 'karma'.

What about her catty remark regarding Michelle Obama's patriotism? Libby Copeland's sympathetic portrait of Cindy McCain makes no mention of that.

Munir

rberuk, you write that people are miserable to criticize cindy mccain's past actions, they're over, learned from. how do you know that? do you live in mrs. mccain's home? those actions were long ago but there is no reason to forget them. they indicate clearly who she is. she stole from a charity. it wasn't like she used her own money or robbed the neighbors to fund her drug habit. she stole from a charity. not much lower behavior than that. she comes from lots of family money and her parents greased the wheel to spare her from more significant legal troubles. she used to be very attractive and still would be if she'd eat and get away from the botox. immobile facial features are scary.

I feel badly about doing this, but it's wikipedia, it will come out. I didn't know Cindy was the bookkeeper in Keating Five scandal until recently. I read the article CC referenced too, and I feel some empathy for her, but I don't think she has any grounds or credibility for attacking Michelle Obama:

'In 1989, Cindy McCain became addicted to opioid painkillers such as Percocet and Vicodin.[23] She later attributed her addiction to pain following two spinal surgeries for ruptured discs[24][25] as well as emotional stress during her husband's entanglement in the Keating Five scandal of that time,[23] which also involved her role as a bookkeeper who had difficulty finding receipts of Keating-related expenses."

CC-

I admire a man willing to wear pink. (Though it would not have worked with the beard--good choice on the shave.)

Since few know anything about her, it will depend upon whether you support McCain or not.

If you do, you will see her as a strong support, if you don't, she seems a Stepford wife.

The same thing will be true even if you know that John saved her from doing time for stealing drugs from a non-profit. Heroic couple in recovery or Co-dependent cripples?

Both the Obamas and the McCains have united fronts...one just looks like a Benetton ad, the other a promo for the Lawrence Welk show.

Depends on your taste.

Paying someone to cut your face apart isn't caring about yourself.

My mother (Democrat) has long said Hillary isn't electable among women because women are too competitive and won't vote for her if they find a reason to dislike her. She grew up in the 50s/60s so it might be a little biased, but it is what it is. And my mother considers herself a feminist - but a realist as well.

What mean-spirited and arrogant people some of you are. Cindy McCain looks like she cares about herself; how many of you can say that? What level of intelligence are you working from? And to criticize past actions - they're over, learned from. I thought it was her HUSBAND who is running.
Sincerely, A Democrat

I consider myself somewhat feminist guy and in my women/politics class we have been discussing US election fair bit. Its amazing to see most my female fellow students (some very strong feminist) don't think Hillary could be their candidate. To me as Hillary, Cindy McCain might be nice person however in public they are so choreographed that they look very fake. Hillary has fake laughs, Cindy has plastic no emotions look on her face all the time. Then again everything Hillary does is poll tested, thats why she voted for war in Iraq, so may be women do like her fake laughs and vote for her.

As far as Cindy Vs Michelle is concerned its not fair comparison, Michelle had to work for everything in her life, however Cindy's dad is very rich person, her hardships and experience are totally different from Michelles', not worth comparing.

The more interesting debate might be Michelle Vs Bill Clinton, as much a polished politician Bill is it would be very interesting to see him go after strong women.

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At "the top of that inner circle" is a poorly mixed metaphor - it compares Rick Davis to the fender on an old Schwinn, in my aged estimation.

Dvis is "near the center of that inner circle", don't you agree?

I don't think she helped him considerably. She's his wife; of course she's going to be at his side at a time like this.

http://political-buzz.com/2008/02/15/215-political-dispatch-podcast-mark-murray-jennifer-skalka/

I think her face looks like plastic and she should seriously reconsider her choices in prosthetic skin.

Michelle Obama should debate her. Cindy is creepy and Michelle is awesome.

In the unlikely event Hill gets the nom, what a fascinating juxtaposition of first spouses: Bubba v. Cindy. America will be reminded when it looks at Bubba that even a 60 Minutes confessional wasn't enough to keep his zipper zipped. McCain seems to be Bubba Lite, running around on his first wife and now it would seem schtupping some biscuit lobbyist.

If she's going to go after Michelle Obama, it's time to start talking about her prior drug addiction, the fact that she stole from the charity she was running and never paid it back, and the fact that she used her connections to land a cushy 90-day rehab rather than jail time. There have been a number of ridiculous "vetting" stories for both candidates in the last couple of days, so let's just go ahead and air everything out.