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Fix Picks: Inside the Clinton Campaign

There is no more fascinating story for the truest of political junkies than the inner workings of a presidential campaign.

Vast operations with budgets of hundreds of millions of dollars are built on the fly, Senior level staffers and consultants -- many of whom have long histories with one another -- are hired. And everyone is asked to play nice for the good of the candidate.

Thankfully (for The Fix at least) they rarely do. And, in two new pieces -- one in the New York Times and one in the Los Angeles Times -- the fissures within the presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) are exposed.

The first piece, penned by Times lead political reporter (and Fix friend) Adam Nagourney, profiles Clinton senior adviser Harold Ickes who has taken a far more prominent role in the campaign to date.

"Mr. Ickes's battles have often been as much inside the campaign as outside it," Nagourney writes. "He and [Clinton chief strategist] Mr. [Mark] Penn have a long history of enmity. -- they did not talk when both worked for Mr. Clinton when he was in the White House."

"He barely tries to hide his view of Penn," Nagourney adds. "'Many pollsters, many pundits -- including our chief strategists, dare I say -- didn't think we were going to win New Hampshire,' [Ickes] said pointedly at his breakfast with journalists."

The Los Angeles Times story further explores Penn's role in the campaign and features an EXTREMELY curious quote from the man who is widely regarded as the lead strategist for the effort.

"I have had no say or involvement in four key areas -- the financial budget and resource allocation, political or organizational sides," Penn wrote in an email to the Los Angeles Times. "Those were the responsibility of Patti Solis Doyle, Harold Ickes and Mike Henry, and they met separately on all matters relating to those areas." Penn added that he had no staff that reported to him and "no direct authority in the campaign."

The L.A. Times story also takes note of an internal campaign debate between Penn and former deputy campaign manager Mike Henry in which the slogan "Solutions for America" was pushed by Penn as the new message of the campaign. "Henry asked: 'Is this what we're doing or is it up for discussion?'" write Peter Nicholas in the piece. "Penn said Clinton had already approved the new message."

It's a mistake to think that Clinton campaign is unique in its turbulent internal dynamics. In fact, fights within a campaign's senior staff is the rule not the exception. (Need evidence? Check out the decline and fall of Sen. John McCain's campaign over the summer and the disagreements within former governor Mitt Romney's inner circle after a series of early states losses.)

But, when it comes to the factions and fissures, everything in the Clinton campaign seems magnified. If Clinton comes up short in tomorrow's Ohio-Texas Two-Step, these two pieces will be only the tip of the iceberg and the blame game will begin in earnest.

Stay tuned.

By Chris Cillizza |  March 3, 2008; 5:35 PM ET  | Category:  Fix Picks
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Figures you'd be buds with Nagourney, widely known across the internet as one of the gang of bottom of the barrel democrat bashers and republican butt kissers. he's a joke, a parody.

Once again, I marvel at the sliminess of Mark Penn. Could Clinton possibly have chosen anyone worse? And lest anyone forget, while we fiddle, Iraq continues to burn. And burn and burn...

'The WP and NYT go inside with news that charges were dropped against two former high-ranking Shiite government officials accused of running death squads in Iraq. The move once again raises questions about the independence of Iraq's judiciary and whether the government would ever be able to hold Shiites accountable for perpetrating sectarian violence.'

Posted by: claudialong | March 4, 2008 8:40 AM

Both the Republicans and Hillary are definitely trying to end Obama's run. He's now getting the negative press from Mass Media that Hillary was getting just weeks ago. it's politics. If he wants a Pennsylvania Ave address, he's got to fight back hard and clean. It's his to lose. Guess we'll see what he's made of.

When you've got blow-hard Joe Scarborow defending Hillary, you know the conservatives are terrified of Obama running.

The sad and sick thing is that Hillary is throwing Obama under the bus for her own ambition. For a Democrat to say that a Republican is better than a fellow Democrat, as Hillary has been saying about McCain and Obama will not be forgotten. Such betrayal is breathtaking.

Posted by: wpost4112 | March 4, 2008 8:40 AM

Al Giordano(http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/) has been as good as anyone I've seen at predicting outcomes. Here are his for today:

RI:
C: 57% (13 pledged delegates)
O: 43% (8 pledged delegates)

VT:
C: 35% (5)
O: 65% (10)

OH:
C: 55% (74)
O: 44% (67)

TX:
C: 47% (83)
O: 53% (110)

That would be a net +20 in the pledged delegate count for the day for Obama. A great day for him, in other words, and a deeper hole for Clinton.

I'd maybe quibble about a delegate or two in VT and RI, and those TX numbers are surprising, but maybe not too surprising given how Obama's team has maximized their delegate allocations in other states, particularly caucus states.

Probably not enough to finally knock her out of the race though. Unfortunately. Get ready, Pennsyltucky.

Posted by: novamatt | March 4, 2008 8:40 AM

Undoubtedly, Rove was also behind the campaign to "get" Georgia Representative Cynthia McKinney who was the first nationally-known politician to question what Bush may have known beforehand about 9-11. She was defeated by a former Republican state judge who had supported the wacky Alan Keyes for President in 2000. Never mind, McKinney was "less with Bush" than Keyes, so it was more important to get McKinney who was "more against" Bush.


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Posted by: a_bigone | March 3, 2008 07:34 P

Cynthia McKinney is a certified whacko, to use the technical term. Rove & Company LOVES having Democratic officeholders like McKinney who express such bizarre ideas. It helps them paint the picture of a Democratic Party controlled by what our friend zouk calls the moonbats.

Anyone who seriously believes Bush had specific advance knowledge of 9/11 (as opposed to having been briefed that bin Laden was determined to attack the US) needs to go back on their medication.

Posted by: jimd52 | March 4, 2008 8:30 AM

The Republican's New Agenda is to Stop Obama, they want to run against Hillary. They have so much dirt in their Arsenal on the Clintons just waiting to be Unleashed (movies, scandals, lawsuits, books) -- that is why Rush Limbaugh is Begging, Begging his listeners to vote for Hillary. Limbaugh declared: "I want the funeral music to play at some point to the Clintons, but not this early." America, if Hillary becomes the nominee, we haven't seen nothing yet!

Who released the Canadian Memo and distorted its contents--, where did that come from and who called Goolsbee to a meeting and conveniently set him up? Who pushed up Rezko's trial which, was to start much later this year? Why did the Somali picture come out, along with Farrakahn endoresement and a radio jock mocking of Obama's middle name? Which was allowed to be played over and over again by the Main-stream media. We have to ask these things? Who wants to Kill unity and hope? Was this part of the Kitchen Sink or may be the Basement (Swiftboating)? I do know its dirty politics and until we reject this kind of politicking in America we will be a pawn in their hands, the people of power, and never find our true Independence and Voice which Obama is offering. The Evil Ones are just getting started, warmed up. Someone is trying to pull our strings. The Truth will come out, however. Hopefully, America we can see through this Rouse this time and elect CHANGE!

Posted by: wdsoulplane | March 4, 2008 8:27 AM

Howard Wolfson is already "working the refs" about the Texas two step.
http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/working-the-refs/

Posted by: Trumbull | March 4, 2008 7:48 AM

let the fingerpointing and CYA begin

Posted by: JD | March 4, 2008 7:17 AM

From today's "Head of State"
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/03/inside-kitchen-sink.html

"Tuesday, March 04, 2008
Inside The Kitchen Sink

From the NYT:

After struggling for months to dent Senator Barack Obama's candidacy, the campaign of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is now unleashing what one Clinton aide called a "kitchen sink" fusillade against Mr. Obama, pursuing five lines of attack since Saturday in hopes of stopping his political momentum.


Let's see what has been tossed inside the kitchen sink:

-A vicious email smear campaign, falsely portrays Obama as a Muslim. He has been a devout Christian for 20 years. The Clinton camp has the opportunity to firmly decry such tactics, or to sow the seeds of doubt. Clinton on 60 minutes: If he says that he is a Muslim "I'll take him at his word";

- A picture of Obama dressed in traditional Somali garb, mysteriously arises and is splashed across the front page of the Drudge Report, designed, like the above, to inflame the most base and simplistic prejudices. Again, the Clinton campaign has the opportunity to refuse to use prejudice and stereotype to political advantage. Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams responds: "If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed";

-Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, is a Conservative. His Chief of Staff Ian Brodie leaks supposed minutes of statements by an Obama aide. The statement is not by the Obama aide, and the minutes were not taken by the Obama aide, they were taken by a Canadian official. Liberal Canadian parties decry the attempt by the Conservative Party to influence the U.S. election. The Clinton camp accepts this specious account as valid--and throws it in the kitchen sink as well;

-The Clinton camp, in Drudge-like fashion, insinuates dark misdoings regarding Antoin Rezko--despite the fact that there has been absolutely no allegations of wrongdoing by Obama--hoping perhaps that the mere association will stick--and despite the questions that have been raised about Clinton fundraising during the years of her own "experience";

-The Clinton campaign rolls out the hackneyed "red phone" advertisement, dating to Walter Mondale's 1984 campaign, to suggest that she, unlike Obama, has greater experience for such "3 A.M. moments". When asked to name one such crisis situation that she has actually had to deal with, she is unable to name one.

-Mark Penn, the Clinton campaign's chief strategist, in the weekend panic, emails the L.A. Times to state that he had "'no direct authority in the campaign,' describing himself as merely 'an outside message advisor with no campaign staff reporting to me.'"

This sink is filled with the type of fear-based politics that we have come to know so well over these past 8 years. It is fundamentally defensive, and is all-too-willing to use the familiar tools of dishonesty and distortion in pursuit of victory. It indicates how a Clinton Administration would respond to adversity--with a tactical fusillade of presentations, followed by distortion and attack.

It's time to clean the dishes. Don't allow yourself to be misled by misrepresentation, insinuation and division. Leave this kind of politics behind."

Cite:
Head of State:
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/03/inside-kitchen-sink.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | March 4, 2008 7:07 AM

This fervor, mostly heated air, Elect Change, MUMBO JUMBO, reeks of fanaticism.

People keep referring to a movement. In the best sense of the word a movement should mean,especially related to the political position of a particular candidate, progressive development of ideas toward a particular conclusion.

If these ideas exist do exist in Obama's campaign they are not based on tangible evidence, past history, they are based on intangibles and something which is not really a political ideal, but more of a spiritual ideal, hope. There are more voters out there who'd much prefer truth and action to hope.

If you all recall, Bush's "passionate conservatism," might also be defined as a similar movement that ignited certain groups, whose religious fervor was spurred on by his message.

These same ardent believers have essentially split the Republican party apart. Now the question is will Obamaites do the same thing to the Democratic party?

Posted by: vammap | March 4, 2008 6:09 AM

Crystal Balls are about as accurate as the Zogby, Fox Polls which are consistently rated at the bottom of the list for a lack of credulity ....


This is for Chris from the NY Times:

"On Monday night, Mr. Penn said his e-mail message to the newspaper had been misunderstood. "This has been taken out of context and related to a very narrow question of operations,'' Mr. Penn said in a telephone interview with The New York Times. "Of course, I am the chief message adviser to the campaign. We have a big day ahead of us and expect to be very successful."

Cheeeeeeeeeeeeez Chris, corroborate your facts before you put them out there to the public.

We have to ask ourselves why Chris didn't put this out there for us to nibble on, instead?"

"On Monday, Mr. Obama faced continuing questions about his relationship with the developer Antoin Rezko, who is now on trial in Chicago and accused of exploiting political relationships with the Illinois governor, Rod R. Blagojevich, to obtain millions of dollars in kickbacks on state contracts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/us/politics/04campaign.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Posted by: vammap | March 4, 2008 5:53 AM

Who has been Swiftboating Obama, the Canadian Memo, where did that come from and who called Goolsbe and set him up? Who pushed up Rezko's trial which was to start much later this year? Why did Somali picture come out, along with Farrakahn endoresement and mocking of his middle name? We have to ask these things? Who does not want to give unity and hope a chance? Is this part of the Kitchen Sink or may be the Basement? I do know its dirty politics and until we reject this kind of politicking in America we will be a pawn in their hands, the people of power, and never find our true Independence which Obama is offering. The Evil Ones are just getting started. Someone is trying to pull our strings. The Truth will come out. Hopefully, America we can see through this Rouse this time and elect CHANGE!

Posted by: wdsoulplane | March 4, 2008 4:05 AM

Harold Ickes was on Charlie Rose Monday night. His big talking point was that :we don't know enough about Obama". Things might surface. We can't take any chances. (Echoes of Clinton's "as far as I know" moment, anyone?)

I had heard they had a competent oppo research team, but according to Ickes it's 100% the media's fault they (the media) haven't yet found any scary, icky, too-awful-to-imagine factoids about Obama. And voters should be worried, because this stuff just HAS to exist. According to Ickes. Even though they haven't been able to find anything. But trust Ickes IT'S THERE and will cost Democrats the general election if Obama is nominated. Be afraid, be very afraid. (Jaws theme music in background - although imo he's jumping the shark. Yet again.)

Over to you, Chris. :-)

Posted by: TomJx | March 4, 2008 3:20 AM

Well if you Hillary fans think she doesnt have ghosts in her closets guess again. And when this senate investigation begins in 2 weeks on her husband and his campaign for reelection..you just might find out things you dont want to hear. This Harold Ickes is known to be Clintons "garbage man" stated so by himself...he hid and took care of all the dirty dealings and scandals for Clintons...some Im sure no one even knows about...according to him...so look who they have brought on board to her campaign...none other than Harold Ickes.....thinkkkkkkkk

Posted by: Webster51 | March 4, 2008 1:09 AM

Clinton's team lost on the Internet and via Bill's campaigning- it is that simple;

Barack vs Hillary Analysis
Hillary's Personal Alamo: The Web

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=53

Posted by: davidmwe | March 4, 2008 1:08 AM

Mrs. Clinton once touted NAFTA as one of her husband's biggest successes but now is threatening to withdraw from the free-trade accord.

Mr. Obama is making similar threats but at least seeks ways to deliver on NAFTA's promise: microfinancing and financial aid to create jobs and increase incentives for Mexicans to stay at home.


Did they get the memo from CANADA. The editorial made very very little sense. Hillary does not know what expierance is? Obama wants to talk to other leaders like Clinton does not. Obama is back tracking as fast as he can. OMG

Posted by: mul | March 4, 2008 12:14 AM

DISPATCHES FROM THE GROUND WAR ...

HERE'S THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS EDITORIAL ENDORSING BARACK OBAMA ...

Editorial: We recommend Barack Obama

Texas Democrats have a chance to make history as they choose between two qualified presidential candidates.

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton often seem to be singing from the same hymnbook, but that doesn't mean this race is a close call.

On questions of substance and leadership style, Mr. Obama is the better choice.

In sharp contrast to Mrs. Clinton's antics mocking his optimism, Mr. Obama has shown that it is possible to have both hope and intellectual heft.

Her campaign has confused proximity to power with work experience, selectively taking credit for her husband's accomplishments.

At times, Obama-mania has threatened to obscure the substantive differences between the two candidates' proposed policies.

A close examination shows that Mr. Obama is on the right side of several key issues.

Both senators aim to overhaul our health care system by lowering premiums and expanding subsidies.

Mrs. Clinton's more mandate-centered approach could be a tougher sell, while Mr. Obama allows for more individual choice and avoids the appearance of insurance by coercion.

Both Democrats offer a significant upgrade from the current administration on environmental and energy issues.

Both plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and increase our reliance on renewable resources.

But Mr. Obama has rightly acknowledged the need to include nuclear energy in the mix; Mrs. Clinton has hedged.

Mr. Obama has echoed many of this newspaper's reservations about America's flawed death penalty system. And while he still allows for capital punishment in particularly heinous cases, he championed much-needed reforms in his home state. Mrs. Clinton, at times, has been an avowed death-penalty supporter; recently, she has chosen instead to highlight her push for more DNA testing.

Mrs. Clinton once touted NAFTA as one of her husband's biggest successes but now is threatening to withdraw from the free-trade accord.

Mr. Obama is making similar threats but at least seeks ways to deliver on NAFTA's promise: microfinancing and financial aid to create jobs and increase incentives for Mexicans to stay at home.

On Iraq, Mrs. Clinton seeks an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops that, she says, could be completed over a single year.

Her plan offers minimal military recourse in the likely event of chaos and civil war following America's withdrawal.

Mr. Obama has a slightly more gradual, flexible drawdown plan with the possibility of keeping a sizeable force in Iraq or nearby to pursue al-Qaeda fighters, train Iraqi forces and deploy quickly when crises erupt.

Mrs. Clinton's plan also is problematic because it hinges on holding talks with our enemies. She wants all of Iraq's neighbors - including Syria and Iran - to join a U.S.-organized regional security conference. But she hasn't explained how to accomplish this if Iran and Syria fail to accept the preconditions Mrs. Clinton insists that such "rogue regimes" must meet before her administration would meet with them.

Mr. Obama favors limited dialogue without preconditions, reasoning that communication - as opposed to silence - is the best way to resolve differences between enemies. That's sensible.

All in all, Mr. Obama offers Texas Democrats the best choice for leadership, for judgment - and for substance.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 3, 2008 11:22 PM

Here's the view from my porch in Okie Flats (somewhere south of Kansas and north of Texas), based on three factors:

1. Polls and demographics in specific areas, state senate districts, etc.

2. Guestimates on turnouts (2004 Primary figures as a base, plus the new enthusiasm)

3. My trusty crystal ball (which has worked quite well since 1972).

Data by State, Obama vote, Clinton vote, Obama delegates, Clinton delegates

Texas
O 512,000
C 402,000
O 142
C 51

Ohio
O 766,000
C 679,000
O 78
C 63

Rhode Island
O 157,000
C 164,000
O 9
C 12

Vermont
O 113,000
C 39,000
O 12
C 3

Totals
Obama 1,548,000
Clinton 1,284,000
Obama del. 241
Clinton del. 129

Hope I did my math right. Had to take the boots off to count it all.

Posted by: stan.mccauley | March 3, 2008 10:49 PM

In short Chris, don't try to get away with blaming Clinton surrogates for all, the press were eqaul to the task. It's a 50/50 proposition.

Take the heat Chris!

Posted by: vammap | March 3, 2008 10:27 PM

We're on to Chris.

While the rest of the media is admitting their lack, Chris is doing some reverse strategy on behalf of his candidate. Obama.

The Fighter...here's a perfectly honest question, when does the media stop calling the shots and the candidate start creating them? Well that's just what happened..

In the month that followed Super Tuesday, the first female candidate running for the Presidency of the United States hasn't had any MO, her ship sinking fast and for lots of very good reasons, some of which can be attributed to her own campaign.

But, Obama's HUGE MO, well, it JUST did a-nose dive. Now, it seems, the perception of MO is coming from Mrs. Clinton. Sorry Chris.

Some very well paid political protégés must have really put their act together, because Clinton is delivering the goods.

If you didn't see her drinking a beer out of a plastic cup with the press onboard the Clinton express than you won't understand what I'm talking about.

She just broke another taboo. And that's how women, especially women running for the office of President, have to be tea-drinkers, by sending out the message to all white male voters, who will determine the outcome of the race, that she's one of them, sort of.

If you haven't read Rush Limbaugh's piece on Fox to "Vote for Hillary tomorrow in Texas" in order to "Prolong the race on the Democratic side," because "Clinton is more willing than the Republican National Committee and John McCain's campaign to criticize Barack Obama," more than the media itself, than you haven't been paying attention.

It took Rush Limbaugh to get the point across, to articulate in public, though the meaning behind the words may not be what the GOP always figured, that running against Obama is much harder than running against a white woman, particularly Hillary Clinton.

Limbaugh said, "Wouldn't you love to cream Hillary though...why are you so afraid of her? Look at how ineptly she has campaigned against Obama," Limbaugh responded to one listener who said she wanted to see Clinton out of the race immediately."

Finally it's out in print, though the real motives, are coming across slightly under the radar. We've gotten such mixed message from Republicans, but it's clear now that two of their most vocal and recognized party advocates want Hillary to remain in the race. Why? So, she can beat Obama up, give the GOP more time to put their own act together, pummel him in order for the GOP to have him specially delivered in pieces, fractured, so they can trounce on him in November? So, that's what they do? You tell me, since when have Republicans had any difficulty trouncing on anyone, yet the Clinton's!

The GOP gets it, under the current media rules, they need all the help they can to beat Obama.

Limbaugh said, "I'm asking people to cross over, and if they can stomach it and I know it's a difficult thing to do, vote for Clinton," he also told Ingraham Friday. "But it will sustain this soap opera, and it's something I think we need and it'll be fun, too."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Really fun!

If Republicans are having trouble criticizing Obama and Hillary is doing a better job of it and both Democrats are raising the roof on funding, the question is wouldn't they have a hard time beating either of them in November?

The better question is why would Obama and his surrogates expect Hillary to get out of the race when it's so close, and when the upcoming contests favor her?

And isn't it interesting that Hillary is the only one calling this an exciting race, while the Republicans are bickering amongst themselves about ideology and the Obama camp is scratching its head and wondering what happened in the last 7 days? (Obama forced into defense day before Super 2, Fox News.)

http://elections.foxnews.com/

What's interesting about the monumental "shift" in strategy and tone from the Clinton camp is how the media is taking it.

Finally, finally and it took a lot of arm twisting to get some in the media to fess up: (But, not Chris.)

Howard Kurtzk, in Media Notes, "Soft Press Sharpens its Focus on Obama, " conveys an exchange between ABC's Jake Tapper and Barack Obama, "But did the exchange mark the end of a long period in which the media have gone easy on the man who could all but clinch the Democratic nomination in tomorrow's primaries? Are the media going to change the environment that prompted Kristen Wiig, playing a CNN anchor on "Saturday Night Live," to declare that she and her colleagues "are in the tank for Obama"?

"The Illinois senator still hasn't faced the sort of negative onslaught that generally envelops presidential front-runners. But after a year of defying the laws of journalistic gravity, he is being brought back to earth."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/02/AR200803...

This all started to come down in tiny spurts on blogs, then a skit on a comedy show and then the opposing party recognized it for what it was and then, finally, the press reluctantly, reluctantly, prints the truth...

Kurtz's article is very long, but it's worth reading, because it makes up for the backlog of information about Obama that some of us never had the opportunity to see. While Hillary was receiving her usual, her opponent was having, let's just say, "a nice walk in the park."

"Clinton's complaints about media imbalance are buttressed by a new study from the Center for Media and Public Affairs. From Dec. 16 through Feb. 19, it says, the three network newscasts aired reports that were 84 percent positive for Obama and 53 percent positive for Clinton. She scored higher on evaluations of policy and public performance, but that amounted to only 10 percent of the coverage."

It took much too long for the public and the media to GET IT: this extremely historic election had lessons I hope none of us will ever forget.

Fairness is something we have to fight for.

The Fact Checker: Truth in Politics
www.edenprairienews.com

Posted by: vammap | March 3, 2008 10:20 PM

Playing the fear card
March 3: Radio talk show host Rachel Maddow talks to Countdown's Keith Olbermann about Sen. Hillary Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama's fear ads.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23456568#23456568

Posted by: msadvice | March 3, 2008 10:20 PM

Tesla/bigone: Step back from the keyboard.

Your banal innuendo and rumor mongering are typically far off the topic; typically lengthy, repetitive, and suggestive.

You have claimed to be an inner city school teacher and a DC insider. You attempt to draw attention to yourself. You are unique in neither casting light nor generating heat at "The Fix".

If you cannot post succinctly and on topic, you are not wanted here. Perhaps you can begin your own tabloid blog. Good luck.

Posted by: MoreAndBetterPolls | March 3, 2008 10:12 PM

Fix, Do we think there is any connection between Obama and the new Lincoln car commercials use of "signed sealed delivered" as its theme song?

Posted by: alexander.arensberg | March 3, 2008 9:47 PM

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Posted by: votenic | March 3, 2008 9:34 PM

If you do your research, you will realize that NAFTA was a Ronald Reagan proposals from the 1980s that has been worked on through Reagans terms, Bush Sr.'s term. It was still in motion when Clinton took office, he signed it, a Republican dominated congress would have passed it anyway.

Clinton also gained provisions for environmental protection and labor regulations by signing it. That is how politics works.


And if something isn't working, then it behooves the President under whose steam it really isn't working under, George Witless Bush....aidor and abettor of thieves to fix it...

doesn't it.


$720 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY SPENT ON OCCUPATION...and hiding Heroin profits in AFGHANISTAN...


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 3, 2008 9:23 PM

A bit off topic...Why is the news still harping on the Canadian story when both the Canadian Government and Obama have stated that it was wrong? That there was no conversation? Why is the media neglecting their investigative reporting? Or at least part of it? For example:

"Belinda Stronach appears to be Bill's gal pal in Canada according to google. I'm not sure if she was involved in the story about Clinton's discussion's with Canadian officials too. "
Posted By: Aronson | March 03, 2008 at 02:41 PM

"A picture says 1000 words. This is Belinda Stronach, Canadian MP and Chrysler head's duaghter. http://image.motortrend.com/f/car-news/this-ought-to-spice-things-up-at-chrysler/6339595+w600+cr1+re0+ar1/belinda-stronach-and-bill-clinton.jpg "
Posted By: anita | March 03, 2008 at 02:55 PM

Does Belinda Stronach's connection to Bill Clinton have anything to do with this Canadian story? And, judging from Bill Clinton's history with women, why has the story of their 'friendship' been kept out of the US media?

Apparently news about the Clinton's is more likely to be suppressed - so Clinton is right...the media IS biased - in FAVOR of her, not against her, as she tries to claim.

Posted by: ndolan622 | March 3, 2008 9:23 PM

you don't have a heart Cali Gram


you have some bs to sell

.

actually having lived and worked in several professions and areas in the United States... East Coast, West Coast and Middle America as well as the South...


I would say that

there are multiple things going on....simultaneously.

1. for the first time in the recent history of our nation, a college education is not a guarantee of a decent job.....there is a shortage of decent jobs outside of Washington D.C.


there is not the same life to aspire to that was available easily to everyone of any segment of society during the 70's


a quick step out of poverty and into a manufacturing job....for anyone that wanted one.

2. Republican CON jobs have eliminated a lot of intelligence, in the community, by training people, through a propagandized MSM

for example: most of television and radio are owned by 6 companies....they put out the same message.

for example: Rupert Murdoch, an Australian Billionaire, and good friend of George W. Bush and Company...just bought the Wallstreet Journal...he first attempted media takeovers a few years back...

ClearChannel used to own the bulk of radio...in the United States...they have created several dummy organizations to hide their ownership at this point. There are conglomerates buying up local newspapers and putting out a single stream of information.... The local / quirky "Village Voices," of America have been bought up...

MSM LIEs and HOMOGINIZEs....SELL SPIN....people don't know what to think...

many have quit listening as they did in Russia...when Pravda was the MSM of state..


3. Additionally, PEOPLE HAVE LESS LEISURE....without leisure people don't keep up with non essentials.

When I was growing up my dad watched television and read the newspaper....he was home by 5:00 PM and we ate and he watched the news and read the papers...he was literate, and reporters didn't lie about what was going on in order to get paid.

HOW ABOUT AN EXAMPLE OF DISINFORMATION ???

example: the occupation of IRAQ is to control a scarce resource....not for the United States, but because bush and his family friends make big money out of using the United States MILITARY as a business tool....


BushCO and CRONYs was too dumb to be able to cut a deal.

How much of the media is covering that ???


I could make the point by myself in an open forum with Karl Rove and Bill O'Reilley arrayed against me....using nothing more than obvious points.


9/11 ??? fabrication....how do I know ???


how the XXXX would we have 25 MILLION _ILLEGALS_ IN_COUNTRY if we had been attacked....


they would have had the country sewn up tight...


all they had was visual displays of "readiness," there was no real readiness and not further false flag attacks either....


AMERICANS have been dumbed down to take advantage of them.


....and you the media have helped to achieve that because your all flaming cowards....


not one of you has called the occupation of iraq


an occupation.


You think that someone braver than yourselves should do it??? Why ?


because you're XXXXies ??? apparently.

.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 3, 2008 9:16 PM

SEARCH on a few of these

GEORGE W. Bulgegate, Harken Energy, the Victor Ashe scandal


his people are posting here tonight: garden_nell, dcwsano, Cali-Gram, Dahveed1, dunnhaupt


compare their lack of information whilst long on opinions

with the exception of Cali-Gram she's outright lying...


wantto dance Cali-Gram I got a few minutes.


I worked in D.C., as someone on the inside you're all spin and slant


not truth.


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 3, 2008 9:15 PM

Politics would never be a career choice for me. I don't enjoy being forced to "play dirty", and up until this point in my life, I was someone who "voted Democrat" I kept my opinions to myself, because I didn't like disagreements. This time, I find that I can't keep my mouth shut. I have gotten bolder in defending what I believe in, and found how easy it is to speak one's mind when one doesn't have a face-to-face confrontation. My daughter has encouraged me to speak up, to "fight with what I write" for what I believe is " right". To set an example for my grandchildren and speak up when I sense injustice.
There is so very much at stake in electing the next president, and the number one priority should be QUALIFICATIONS. I wish That Hillary fans would read up on the Clinton history, before accepting the myth that Hillary has the most "experience" and that you will get Bill tossed in on the ticket. I regard the Clintons as a " two-fer" because that is how "they" have been campaigning. Hillary claims that she was co-president when Bill was POTUS, says that counts for "experience" . Okay, that means play the game/share the fame/share the blame: Hillary is fifty-percent responsible for the blame. Can't pick out the plums and toss the pits. This makes them "the Clintons" that were in the W/H as a "team" and are now running for a third term as a "team. Use your good unbiased sound judgment, and honestly review the Clintons' enormous history of wrongdoing. If that still doesn't convince you that it is a mistake to support "the Clintons", just imagine that Hillary "did manage" to get the Democratic nomination. The GOP can't wait to attack "the Clintons" with no holds barred. The Clintons will lose, because their luck is running out, too many hidden agendas. It is undeniable and unreasonable to expect that the Clintons will be allowed a third term as POTUS. The GOP wants to be pitted against the Clintons; they've been collecting evidence for years. The political toilet hasn't been thrown yet, and the contents are filling up, waiting, waiting, waiting, and splat: "it" will hit the fan.
With all due respect, it's a free country, and you can vote for whom you choose. However, Americans have shed their blood, their body parts, and their all, to defend this country. The "war against terrorism" should have begun during the early years of the eight years of Clinton tenure. The first terrorist attack on the bombing at the WTC in February 1993, should have been a red alert. In 1994, Bill Clinton hushed up a federal report that warned of possible terrorist strikes, including how hijackers could use airliners to hit landmarks such as the White House or Pentagon. His reactions after receiving such frightening reports were to keep quiet because he didn't want to cause panic. (Hillary must have been aware of this threat.) Terrorism was not high on the Clintons "to do" and "most urgent" lists. It's too late to say that Clinton should have appointed experts to track, report, share data, and respond to acts of terrorism. During the Clinton tenure, Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda continued their attacks through October 2000. The statistics: 319 innocent Americans were killed and more than 6,200 were injured during the Clinton's tenure in the White House. The Clintons failed, they failed our country, they failed our military, and they failed the rest of the innocent victims worldwide. They were negligent, immersed in their own dramas, and ignored repeated warnings about bin Laden, and the continuously growing Al Qaeda band of terrorists. The Clintons missed several opportunities to capture bin Laden. I am not trying to create horrible rumors, these are easily verified facts. History cannot be re-written, but its harsh undeniable lessons should be remembered.
I fail to comprehend how anyone, after verifying the above information, can still want the Clintons back in the White House. The Republicans know that if it ends up McCain versus Obama, that Obama will win. That is why Barack Obama is under fire, and yes, they've attempted to take him down, both the GOP and the Clintons.
Barack Obama is extremely capable of serving as POTUS. He is extremely intelligent, honest, has integrity, and displays concern for all people. He has the ability to communicate, work with and obtain agreement from those with different views. I wish more people would ignore the "race" objections or "inexperienced" accusations that they have set up, and see that Barack Obama offers us an opportunity to get rid of the "good old Boy" politics. No payback nominations, the positions will meet different criteria: who is the most qualified gets the job. To govern with transparency, and to let us, the people have a say in how government spends "our money". BTW: I am not black, I am female, retired and I can still buy milk for my cereal. I just want our broken country to come together, and race or gender should not govern us. I have already voted for Obama, I believe that with him as POTUS, we can make a better world for our families, and ourselves. I would not have "wasted" my time writing this if I did not believe, from my heart, that we have to change this country, and can, if we work together.

Posted by: Cali-Gram | March 3, 2008 9:11 PM

that was a good laugh sperrico,


how about htat homosexual president george w.


think he's vulnerable to a rearend attack???

On January 26, George W. Bush called on Guckert/Gannon at one of Bush's rare press conferences, "bypassing dozens of far more experienced reporters" according to Joe Strupp of Editor & Publisher.

I guess that depends on the meaning of "experienced."

This was not Guckert/Gannon's first time near Bush. Guckert/Gannon was at other Bush press conferences and was called on by Bush once before. Moreover, Guckert/Gannon went to the White House nearly every day for nearly 2 years. Each time he went, he got specific permission from Scott McClellan's White House Press Office. And Guckert/Gannon went to Bush's White House Christmas Party.

How did a $200/hour gay male prostitute get near George W. Bush nearly every day for 2 years?

Don't tell me the Secret Service didn't know Guckert/Gannon's background. It took amateur bloggers at DailyKos about 5 minutes to find out Gannon owned male prostitution websites, and just two weeks for Aravosis to find out he was a $200/hour prostitute. I guarantee Scott McClellan and other top White House officials knew exactly who Guckert/Gannon was. According to RawStory.com, McClellan himself has been spotted at gay bars.

So how will the American people learn the sordid truth about Bush, the White House, and Guckert?

The Lying Right-Wing Media (LRWM) won't ask the question. According to those brave News Hounds who watch FOX so we won't have to, Gannon/Guckert's name has never even been mentioned on FOX [4]. Just imagine the wall-to-wall coverage on FOX if this had happened in the CLINTON White House!

But we'll ask it - and we'll keep asking it until we get the truth.

Did George W. Bush - and/or other top White House officials - have sexual relations with that man, James Guckert?

Lest you think this is an absurd question, I'll refer you to the widespread rumors that Bush had a long-term sexual relationship with his Ambassador to Poland ("don't forget Poland!"), former Yale classmate and Knoxville Mayor Victor Ashe [5]. As with every other Bush scandal (AWOL, Bulgegate, Harken Energy, etc.), the Victor Ashe scandal has been blacked out by the LRWM.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 3, 2008 9:06 PM

Well-placed insiders have told The Truth that the only reason Penn and Wolfson are still around are the huge sums of money owed them, and that once she can muster the scratch, the dim-witted duo will be kicked to the curb.

That may explain the rumblings we have heard in Washington's toniest steakhouses and private clubs that posit a Hillary Clinton run as an Independent, a la Joe Lieberman. Clinton is salivating at the prospect of tapping into Independent votes and, more importantly, Independent money. Independents, lacking their own candidate, may well open their pocket books and wallets, providing the financing necessary to pay off Penn and Wolfson, and hire a free-agent.

Who might that free-agent be? Staffers are mum, but credible sources say his name rhymes with "stove." Stay tuned.

Posted by: TheTruth | March 3, 2008 9:06 PM

In addition:

WHO HAS THE MOST VOTES?

WHO HAS THE MOST DELEGATES?

Unswer those two simple questions and you have the winner.

Posted by: rfpiktor | March 3, 2008 08:48 PM


Got that, Clinton strategy geniuses?

Posted by: rfpiktor | March 3, 2008 8:52 PM

The worst danger that a Hillary presidency would present is a scenario where the Chinese use blackmail against the Clintons to obtain the rest of America's specifications of its weapons. The Clinton's connections with China and its agents in complicated but dangerous onion-skinned double and triple agents have put America in jeapordy in the 1990s. Bill's messing around only adds to the problem of blackmail.

Posted by: sperrico | March 3, 2008 8:26 PM

it's interesting isn't it????

the rot in the United States ECONOMY, from sending all of our money into war profiteers pockets


has extended to NORTHERN VIRGINIA
____________________________________________________

WP Article: "Foreclosure Auctioneer's Lonely Task,"
By Nick Miroff
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 22, 2008

"Lot of interest out here this morning," Crossley muttered. No one showed up for the auction of 7 homes that were in foreclosure.

It wasn't always such a lonely job. When Crossley became an auctioneer two years ago for Purcellville-based Nectar Projects, foreclosure sales were few, and they would regularly draw packs of investors armed with cash and eager to bid. Now it's rare for anyone to show up. In the past three months, Crossley has conducted auctions on some 200 properties in Northern Virginia, and he has sold one.

_____________________________________________________


what does that mean, relative to the discussion regarding Obama and Hillary ???


that the people who caused this, currently deadlocking Congress and running things for their private benefit in WASHINGTON through the EXECUTIVE BRANCH...

are trying to keep things status quo, maintain their grip on the cash flow...


not knowing what is going on in WASHINGTON, and saying that those who want to bring up specific examples _OF_THAT_ are talking about the past scares me.


I see a junior congressman, buying into and using what the repulsive scammers are selling as a way of getting elected


w/o regard to what his election will mean to the people.


you want to know what will happen? look at what happened to Jimmy Carter.


If we had acted 30 years ago on his very good ideas, there would be no energy problem, probably greenhouse gases would be under control and our economy would still be booming and manufacturing would still be in_country...


but Carter was backstabbed, because he wanted to "play fair,"

after Nixon, everyone wanted someone that would "play fair,"


unfortunately, Jimmy didn't know how to make sure the bullies played fair as well...


do I need to paint a picture ????

these guys don't "play fair,"


they have male prostitutes spend the night at the white house and use homophobia to herd the gomers...


they're trying to get you to back the Hubert Humphrey of the Democratic pack...


read up on it.


.....learn to recognize the perps, like jimk8mr


it's your country, put _them_ in jail, attach their properties and sue them into oblivion


.thanks so much.

.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 3, 2008 8:07 PM

Voice of the White House February 28, 2005
TBR News.org February 28, 2005

"An absolute non-issue with the American print and TV media is the control by very powerful gays of the top policy levels of the White House. Growingly pointed comments inside the Beltway social clubs, homes and watering places about Karl Rove's "good friend" 'Jeff Gannon' are being very thoroughly ignored by the mainline press.

There are two reasons for this crashing silence. One is the fact that a large number of powerful and wealthy Republicans are gay and do not want their wives and children to discover that they put on leather underwear and spend their spare time at the Eagle over on New York Avenue or getting rough trade action at the Crew Club. Fat Karl Rove was seen by one of my people entering a private homosexual orgy at a five-star Washington hotel over the Mid-Atlantic Leather (MAL) weekend last year. All the self-hating loyal Republican gays at the no-pants party, many of them Senatorial aides and military types, of course pretended they didn't recognize him, and who can blame them - imagine how repulsive Fat Karl must look without his clothes. The report that came back was that Fat Karl greatly enjoyed the supervision of a certain hairy 350-lb. Leather Dominator, who had won the Miss Virginia Daddy Bear title at the MAL festivities.

Karl used hang out at JR's, which is on 17th between P&S, before he became so well-known. This is a "respectable" gay bar for discreet people who do not wear mesh panties, high-heeled pumps and wear terrible wigs. How many people know about these activities? In Washington, a hell of a lot of the prominent. But very few of them dare to open their mouths because of their own small problems.


.small problems.

seems like you all have small problems.

what's that about neh!?


wann aknow something? it's over.


Posted by: a_bigone | March 3, 2008 8:01 PM

You guys really need to edit your articles better. There has been at least one error in every single article I have read.

Posted by: matthew.robertson | March 3, 2008 7:56 PM

3AM: PHONE RINGS.

HILARY ANSWERS, LISTENS FOR A MOMENT.

"A coup in Bezerkistan? Nuclear weapons seized by terrorists? Holy S...!

"Hey Bill, did you hear that? Bill? BILL???

(THROWS BACK SHEETS, SHOWING EMPTY BED)

"Dammit, who is that as...le out plunking tonight? I'm going to cut that bast...'s nuts off when I see him...

LEAVES PHONE SITTING ON BED, RUNS OUT OF ROOM SCREAMING ASSORTED OBSCENITIES.

VOICE FROM PHONE SAYING "HELLO... HELLO????....

Posted by: jimk8mr | March 3, 2008 7:54 PM

LOL. That Obama girl just cracks me up.
Love the "POW"s!

Posted by: wpost4112 | March 3, 2008 7:52 PM

Obama Girl, go zap them Clintonistas with some HOPE rays!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIiMa2Fe-ZQ&NR=1

Posted by: rfpiktor | March 3, 2008 7:37 PM

Great job with the coverage Chris. I think it's amazing that the Clinton campaign has actually managed to pull some momentum together while Ickes has been calling out Penn in public. Maybe it's just how they've been able to spin expectations.

Here's a little fun for everyone who's feeling some election fatigue:

http://gawksquawk.blogspot.com/2008/03/you-know-its-time-to-vote-when.html

Posted by: GawkSquawk | March 3, 2008 7:35 PM

Hillary would carry all of this forward with her to the Whitehouse. Imagine 4-8 years of that! I just KNOW that the American people have more sense than that!

Posted by: marthadavidson | March 3, 2008 7:34 PM

In response to leichtman,

The AP count you cite refers to total delegates, including superdelegates. As we've seen, and always known, superdelegates can change their allegiances, and so many figure the better count is to include only the pledged delegates as CC did.

So as it turns out, the AP is right AND CC is right.

Posted by: ippolit | March 3, 2008 7:34 PM

here's a little insider washington insights about sliming:


He's America's Joseph Goebbels. As a 21-year old Young Republican in Texas, Karl Rove not only pimped for Richard Nixon's chief political dirty tricks strategist Donald Segretti but soon caught the eye of the incoming Republican National Committee Chairman, George H. W. Bush. Rove's dirty tricks on behalf of Nixon's 1972 campaign catapulted Rove onto the national stage. From his Eagle's Nest in the West Wing of the White House, Rove now directs a formidable political dirty tricks operation and disinformation mill.

Since his formative political years when he tried to paint World War II B-24 pilot and hero George McGovern as a left-wing peacenik through his mid-level career as a planter of disinformation in the media on behalf of Texas and national GOP candidates to his current role as Dubya's "Svengali," Rove has practiced the same style of slash and burn politics as did his Nixonian mentor Segretti. Many of us remember the Lincolnesque Senator Ed Muskie breaking down in tears during the 1972 campaign over Segretti-planted false stories in a New Hampshire newspaper that accused Mrs. Muskie of being a heavy smoker, drinker, and cusser and accused Muskie of uttering a slur in describing New Hampshire's French Canadian population. Rove's hero also forged letters on fake Muskie campaign letterhead, disrupted rallies and fundraising dinners, and spread false stories about the sex lives of candidates. Segretti's brush also smeared George McGovern, George Wallace, Shirley Chisholm, and McGovern's first vice presidential choice, Senator Tom Eagleton. Segretti of course did not go on to a high-level White House job -- he was sentenced to six months in federal prison for distributing illegal campaign material.

In many respects, however, the apprentice Rove has far exceeded the chicanery and evil-mindedness of his mentor Segretti. Rove is a tech-savvy puppet master for Bush. Take, for example, last June's discovery of a "lost" CD-ROM in Lafayette Park across from the White House. Contained on the CD was a PowerPoint presentation given by White House political director Ken Mehlman to Rove on the strategy for next Tuesday's off-year election. The slide show showed First Brother Jeb Bush being vulnerable in Florida. Jeb Bush later joked that the disc was part of a plot cooked up by him and his brother to make it appear that he was vulnerable in order to rally an otherwise complacent GOP base in the Sunshine State. Or was it a joke? Jeb Bush and his political minions like Katherine Harris have shown us that if anyone thinks what the GOP has done in Florida is funny they have an incredibly sick sense of humor.

Rove's own tendency to be sick-minded originates with his mentor Segretti. The 2000 GOP primary was a chance for Rove to hone his skills in dirty tricks. His target then was Senator John McCain who appeared to be within striking distance of Dubya in South Carolina after the then-GOP maverick's surprise upset victory in New Hampshire. Rove's operation proceeded to target McCain with false stories: McCain was a stoolie for his captors in the Hanoi Hilton (this from a lunatic self-promoting Vietnam "veteran"); McCain fathered a black daughter out of wedlock (a despicable reference to McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter); Cindy McCain's drug "abuse"; and even McCain's "homosexuality." In the spirit of Segretti, Rove engineered a victory for Dubya but at the cost of trashing an honorable man and his family. Muskie, McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Hart, Tsongas, Clinton, Biden, Dole, Perot, and others had all seen the Segretti/Rove slash and burn tactics before.

And Rove's penchant for fascistic demagoguery and outright lying continues to this very day. After Paul Wellstone's sons asked that Vice President Dick Cheney not attend the Minneapolis memorial service for their father, mother, and sister, the White House explained that the real reason wasn't the surviving Wellstone family's abhorrence for Cheney but the fact the family didn't want Cheney's Secret Service protection to interfere with public access to the service. Of course, the Rove and Ari Fleischer disinformation machine forgot to take into account that two attendees, Bill and Hillary Clinton, had their own Secret Service details. But such is the case with a White House that takes its lessons from Goebbels and the editorial staff of the old Soviet News Agency Tass.

Rove's dirty fingerprints could also be seen in the Iowa Senate race between Tom Harkin and GOP candidate Greg Ganske. A few months ago, a story was leaked that the Harkin campaign had employed a spy within the Ganske campaign. To put this in a Rove context, we must go back to the 1986 Texas gubernatorial race in which Rove's candidate Bill Clements was taking on Democratic Governor Mark White. Just before a debate between the two candidates, Rove spun the story that his office had been bugged. No proof. But the insinuation that White's people had carried out the bugging was reported by the media. In the election, Clements defeated White. Rove stashed away more political capital into his already heavy knapsack of ill-gotten IOUs.

Undoubtedly, Rove was also behind the campaign to "get" Georgia Representative Cynthia McKinney who was the first nationally-known politician to question what Bush may have known beforehand about 9-11. She was defeated by a former Republican state judge who had supported the wacky Alan Keyes for President in 2000. Never mind, McKinney was "less with Bush" than Keyes, so it was more important to get McKinney who was "more against" Bush.


"Exposing Karl Rove,"

authored by WAYNE MADSEN

Posted by: a_bigone | March 3, 2008 7:34 PM

In response to leichtman,

The AP count you cite refers to total delegates, including superdelegates. As we've seen, and always known, superdelegates can change their allegiances, and so many figure the better count is to include only the pledged delegates as CC did.

So as it turns out, the AP is right AND CC is right.

Posted by: ippolit | March 3, 2008 7:33 PM

what no one is mentioning here is this

the Democrats are not monolithic.

and there is a better than even chance that they have repulsive scammers embedded in their supporters....as well as people that have done bad things

that will rush forward and cling to whoever has been fingered to be taken down by the gay RNC chairman Ken Mehlman...


it's what they do, and it's what they have done since forever


Dan Rather? Karl Rove fed him a poison pill to nullify the real report when it came out about George W.'s National Gaurd tour being


a little short....and the lack of physicals pointing towards drug abuse.


Karl Rove first dropped a load on somone whose name was McGovern


so that Nixon didn't have a decorated war veteran to run against


he ran against Hubert Humphrey


.McGovern was eliminating by the endless sliming of RNC slime machine...


SEARCH on NAZIS, republicans, bush, nixon


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 3, 2008 7:18 PM

Another indication of why Clinton should step down-- the mismanagement of her campaign, when she's supposedly the most experienced politician.

But she'll stay in this race as long as possible, even if it destroys the Democrats' chance of winning the fall election. If she can't beg, borrow and steal the '08 nomination with her negative campaigning and smear tactics, she'll use these tactics to sabotage Obama as the nominees so she can run again in 2012.

Posted by: kmcnyasha | March 3, 2008 7:16 PM

The ancients once wrote, "A house divided by itself cannot stand." This bit of ageless wisdom still rings true; just look at the tuff wars between Ickes and Penn. I am sure they have their respective supporting factions plotting gamesmanship against each other and the Clinton camp sinks as a whole (just look at the Penn email to the LA Times to see the spin control within the camp itself). Not that I am sad about this mind you; I am an ardent Obama supporter. But principles never vary; but since the Clintons and their surrogates have none, the point will be lost to them.

Posted by: meldupree | March 3, 2008 7:09 PM


I'm not sure.... Who cares about their meetings regarding slogans?


OBAMA "DISMISSES" EVERYTHING THAT'S SAID ABOUT HIM
AND THE PRESS LETS IT GO !!

MR. SMUG. Now his smugness. Tha'ts something to write about. Quick answer, the press should swallow it hook line and sinker and go away. Oh boy. We just had a President who doesn't explain himself and feels he's above questions.

And his qualifications:

NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - SCARY
Michelle Obama said that the experience that Barack does not have he will acquire - because "most of it is not rocket science".

Wow! Whew! The wisdom of Michelle Obama. I feel safer already.


3AM: MICHELE OBAMA ANSWERS THE PHONE
She says. "Call back tomorrow, we're not feeling particularly proud of America today - so just let it go to the machine. But there are a ton of lapel flag pins in our house that Barack says he wouldn't ever wear. Send a few of those over to the dangerous person. Better yet, call Hillary - that's our first choice for answers. I'm sure she can help you, too.


3AM: BARACK OBAMA ANSWERS THE PHONE
He says: "Who?"


3AM: PUT THAT CALL THROUGH TO HILLARY

ABSOLUTELY


THIS 3AM AD IS NOT ABOUT FEAR TACTICS

THIS 3AM AD IS A REALITY CHECK BY AN ADULT NAMED HILLARY


Here's Mr. Obamas most recent resume: Everyone should look at it. Citizenship is a responsibility, not a right. I remember my civics teacher telling me that. What ever happened to civics class? We need to bring that kind of education back! Here's the resume. Know who you're voting for. It's only a click away. In his own words - no one elses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU


Posted by: Thinker | March 3, 2008 7:08 PM

wpost4112 seems like a fair representation of a repulsive scammer...

doesn't it?


it's interesting isn't it????

the rot in the United States ECONOMY, from sending all of our money into war profiteers pockets


has extended to NORTHERN VIRGINIA
____________________________________________________

WP Article: "Foreclosure Auctioneer's Lonely Task,"
By Nick Miroff
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 22, 2008

"Lot of interest out here this morning," Crossley muttered. No one showed up for the auction of 7 homes that were in foreclosure.

It wasn't always such a lonely job. When Crossley became an auctioneer two years ago for Purcellville-based Nectar Projects, foreclosure sales were few, and they would regularly draw packs of investors armed with cash and eager to bid. Now it's rare for anyone to show up. In the past three months, Crossley has conducted auctions on some 200 properties in Northern Virginia, and he has sold one.

_____________________________________________________


what does that mean, relative to the discussion regarding Obama and Hillary ???


that the people who caused this, currently deadlocking Congress and running things for their private benefit in WASHINGTON through the EXECUTIVE BRANCH...

are trying to keep things status quo, maintain their grip on the cash flow...


not knowing what is going on in WASHINGTON, and saying that those who want to bring up specific examples _OF_THAT_ are talking about the past scares me.


I see a junior congressman, buying into and using what the repulsive scammers are selling as a way of getting elected


w/o regard to what his election will mean to the people.


you want to know what will happen? look at what happened to Jimmy Carter.


If we had acted 30 years ago on his very good ideas, there would be no energy problem, probably greenhouse gases would be under control and our economy would still be booming and manufacturing would still be in_country...


but Carter was backstabbed, because he wanted to "play fair,"

after Nixon, everyone wanted someone that would "play fair,"


unfortunately, Jimmy didn't know how to make sure the bullies played fair as well...


do I need to paint a picture ????

these guys don't "play fair,"


they have male prostitutes spend the night at the white house and use homophobia to herd the gomers...


they're trying to get you to back the Hubert Humphrey of the Democratic pack...


read up on it.


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 3, 2008 7:03 PM

wpost4112 if you're an Obama supporter you seem to have that slime on you as a matter of habit...


what's with that? sleeping with rove? figuratively of course as rove "sleeps," with no one...


Posted by: a_bigone | March 3, 2008 7:02 PM

"Of course we don't hear of any dissension in the Obama campaign - all is going swimmingly. If/when it runs up against a major problem, then the workers will turn on each other (and we'll hear about it)."

=================

Swimmingly?? LOL.

Through the great upset of New Hampshire, through the straights of Super Tuesday, and the relentless dirt and slime of the Clinton machine, not a single defection or bad word from within the campaign.

If Obama should lose the nomination, most of his supporters will quietly and respectfully fade back, regroup, gather resources and return in 4 or 8 years.

Past is prologue.

Posted by: wpost4112 | March 3, 2008 6:47 PM

Would someone please report on the Clinton Computer Company????

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrU-yonLoSo

You guys remember investigative journalism at the Post don't you?

Posted by: fugeddabowdid | March 3, 2008 6:43 PM

If Clinton ran the White House like she runs her campaign, we'd probably have three different Attorney Generals in the first month of her term, with her entire cabinet being liquidated by the end of 2009.

Posted by: thecrisis | March 3, 2008 6:39 PM

Of course we don't hear of any dissension in the Obama campaign - all is going swimmingly. If/when it runs up against a major problem, then the workers will turn on each other (and we'll hear about it).

Posted by: Lanark1 | March 3, 2008 6:31 PM

The media really needs to investigate what is going on in Canada. There is something rotten going on that is essentially meddling in the primaries. Is it coming from the new very conservative government or is it coming from political dirty tricks? This story is just too odd to be taken as anything else. Why did the Canadian representative call Obama's advisor in for a meeting?

Posted by: TeddyRoosevelt | March 3, 2008 6:30 PM

you apparently don't like superdelegates, unless we see people like Lewis who has changed his support 3 times come to your side, then we hear see they do matter. The nomination rules are what they are no matter how you or your side choose to spin them. When I see B.O. approach or reach 2025 delgates I will concede he is the nominee and so should every fair minded Dem and Dem politician whoever they support, period. I didn't hear Dick Ghephart or Howard Dean try and make the arguments your side keeps spinning in 2004.winning convincingly? ask voters in Ca, New York, Mass, Ohio and Arizona if they agree with that comment

Posted by: leichtman | March 3, 2008 6:30 PM

Chris,

I completely agree. Getting inside the war room and looking at the geniuses operate is Nirvana for the political junkie cognoscenti.

The Lee Atwaters, Carvilles, Roves and the Axelrods and Ploufes are the substance of admiration for us observers.

The Clinton top brass is a big mess and the top genius is out of the loop but $10 million richer. Mr. Penn also tells us that those many millions went all to mailings and whatnots, he was not enriched the least bit and besides, he does not own the company he runs. He is also running the Microsoft $40 billion attepmt to swallow Yahoo!, that is why he is not involved in anything specific at Hillaryland, I guess.

This race is of intuitions and perceptions. The Obama camp is winning convincingly. The Clinton camp cannot disengage from the early arrogance so it will be full bore arrogance into the screeching end, either as winners or losers.

I hope the Mean Clinton Machine loses. If they win, we all lose.

Posted by: rfpiktor | March 3, 2008 6:21 PM

I am surprised that Sean Penn takes such guff from "Icky". Penn seems like he would tear off Ickes arm off and beat him with it. No wonder Hillary's campaign is in retreat with her still leading one or two fanatical hard cases against the Obama Wall.

Posted by: sperrico | March 3, 2008 6:20 PM

"The current Pledged delegate math is:

Obama - 1194
Clinton - 1037"


Actually the AP shows a 106 difference not the the 157 number you show, are you saying the AP doesn't know what they are talking about but you do.

And now agree that before Ohio and Pa vote that if you include Fla and Michigan the number shrinks to a 46 delegate difference and that 46 delegates is a blow out?

Posted by: leichtman | March 3, 2008 6:14 PM

Everybody knows where you go when the sun goes down.
I think you only live to see the lights of town.
I wasted my time when I would try, try, try.
When the lights have lost their glow, you're gonna cry, cry, cry.

I lie awake at night and wait 'til you come in.
You stay a little while and then you're gone again.
Every question that I ask, I get a lie, lie, lie.
For every lie you tell, you're gonna cry, cry, cry.
You're gonna cry, cry, cry and you'll cry alone,
When everyone's forgotten and you're left on your own.
You're gonna cry, cry, cry.

Soon your sugar-daddies will all be gone.
You'll wake up some cold day and find you're alone.
You'll call to me but I'm gonna tell you: "Bye, bye, bye,"
When I turn around and walk away, you'll cry, cry, cry,

When your fickle little love gets old, no one will care for you.
You'll come back to me for a little love that's true.
I'll tell you no and you gonna ask me why, why, why?
When I remind you of all of this, you'll cry, cry, cry.

You're gonna cry, cry, cry and you'll cry alone,
When everyone's forgotten and you're left on your own.
You're gonna cry, cry, cry.

You're gonna cry, cry, cry and you'll want me there,
It'll hurt when you think of the fool you've been.
You're gonna cry, cry, cry.

Posted by: wpost4112 | March 3, 2008 6:13 PM

The candidate has the ultimate responsibility for conducting the campaign. Sure, it's run on a daily basis by a plethora of selected subordinates, just as is a Presidency. Thus it can be argued that conducting a U.S. Presidential campaign is as harrowing and accurate a test as can be made of the potential leadership and judgement of a future president.

Readers can make their own evaluations of each of the candidates behind the campaigns. As for me, I'm ready for competence. One of the Democrats seems to have this in much greater abundance than the other.

Posted by: Stonecreek | March 3, 2008 6:11 PM

Wow! Interesting Piece! Truly shows how divisive Clinton and her team are, even to each other! Get smart, people. Obama for President! BTW, Chris, I'm very interested in starting a political blog. Do you have any advice ( i.e, hosts, topics, etc.)? If you do, please email them to me at ferryaptosblue@yahoo.com. Thanks!

Posted by: ferryaptosblue | March 3, 2008 5:58 PM

If every campaign has these "problems" then why dont we hear about the same things from the Obama campaign????

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 3, 2008 5:57 PM

If Clinton doesn't do well tomorrow, I think half her campaign is going to collapse/resign. It will be the beginning of the end - oh wait that moment already passed.

Now it's just a matter of time before Clinton realizes that she could win TX, OH and PA by 10% each and still not have a chance of closing the delegate gap. The only way Clinton can win is by having superdelegates overthrow the popular/pledged delegate lead that Obama has, and that's just not going to happen.

Good night Hillary.

Posted by: thecrisis | March 3, 2008 5:57 PM

Chris,

I agree that all campaigns have turbulence, but the smarter ones figure out who to keep and who to toss overboard. McCain's a good example, as was Kerry's campaign in 2004. As has been said ad nauseum, the Clinton campaign never thought beyond super Tuesday. That failure alone should have resulted in a more significant, and more immediate, realignment. Sure seems like HRC only wanted to hear from those who kept telling her the campaign was going "very well" - just like she said on Saturday night live.

Posted by: -pamela | March 3, 2008 5:52 PM

The two stories Chris cites, from the NYT & LAT, are the ones the Clinton campaign wants to quickly replace in the media cycle. Today's talking point promoting a new 'surge' based on the so-called '3 AM' ad is probably designed to do exactly that.

Posted by: bsimon | March 3, 2008 5:44 PM


Texas Primary Prediction Time!

Who do you predict will win the Texas Democratic Presidential Primary?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1793

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Ohio Primary Prediction Time!

Who do you predict will win the Ohio Democratic Presidential Primary?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1794


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Posted by: PollM | March 3, 2008 5:43 PM

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