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Olbermann should apologize to Geraldine Ferraro as she is only stating a fact not a comment. Does Obama get over 93% of the black votes? Can Olbama win NC,TENN, SC ,Miss,Georgia, and other sounthern states without the black support? I can not wait to see how will Olbermann spin out of Obama's relationship with his lunatic mentor Rev Jeremiah Wright, Mr Olbermann probably says it does not matter,Obama is Obama,Rev Wright is Rev Wright they havv no relationship whatsoever, right?

On the subject of Michigan and Florida primaries, did both Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama agree to abide by the party rules in regard to both states? If so, how can Hillary want a change now just because she is behind Obama?

Bill Clinton was extremely popular with Blacks when he was president. Why did he make those comments before S. Crolina primary? Did it alienate Blacks ?

Why did both Hillary Clinton and Bill offer
Obama second spot on the ticket, knowing fully that Barak Obama was ahead in the number of delegates, the popular votes, and the number of states won by either of them?
Most observers used the word "shrewd" attempt to dilute the popularity of Obama. My personal feeling at the time was that they were trying to be patronizing Obama, when they were not in a position to do so on any ground.

Both Hillary and Bill are good people but I do not know why they leave the impression that they want to win the nomination at any cost and even at the expense of the unity of the Democratic party.

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I hate to break it to the Post but Iowa tends more toward the Democrats at all levels most years. The 2004 presidential election was an oddity, barely won by Bush. Of those who did vote for Bush, they are very, very quiet these days.

Possibly outsiders think Iowa is a "red" state because of the rabble of Republican "religious" conservatives. They are just that, a noisy, powerless minority.

Posted by: bsimon
Who did Brett Favre vote for?
Brett Favre lives in Lamar County which was about 60-40 for Clinton. BUT
I've only meet him twice, but I would guess is was Obama.

sheridan: Bravo...

THANK YOU, pdurbin.
The "generational divide" only goes one way. I am at least your age and have kids 24 and 27 who are canvassing for Obama; I have been supporting him since that day in Springfield and even before that wrote a letter asking him to run now instead of waiting. At events, we see people or all ages and races stand in unison to applaud Senator Obama.
Don't you ALL agree that just assuming politics have to be dirty is a disgrace? Aren't elected officials supposed to represent YOU?
I am all for party untiy, and will vote for Clinton if she is the nominee (holding my nose.) But I can assure you that my kids and many they have brought into the party could care less about "Party". They
are supporting the person they see will best represent them, as am I. They are repulsed buy the Clinton's tactics, as am I. And they will not vote for her. If her supporters are such stauch Democrats, they will vote for him in New York, California, New Jersey, Colorado, Missouri, Texas, and almost every other state Clinton has won by a small margin- if they are racists in Mississippi they probably will not. Overall, I believe the democratic nominee will win. All John McCain has to do is open his mouth, "my friends" - or possibly give us a medely of his hit (bomb Iran.)

The word "tough" keeps getting thrown around. Hillary is "tough" and Obama is not. Let's define "tough", shall we?
I think it's tough to be a mixed race person raised by a single mom to become President of the Harvard Law Review. I think it's "tough" to, in 2002, speak out against the war at a time when that was considered "unpatriotic" - remember the Dixie Chicks? And it's "tough" to decide to run for President when you are the first mixed race person to do so.
"Tough" is not being a bully. "Tough" is not distorting the truth to your own ends (he's not a Muslim as far as I know..when you do know darned well), "tough" is not claiming your husbands experience but not his mistakes. "Tough" is not using racism and xenophobia to make people afraid to vote for your opposition.
And "tough" is not living in denial about the delegate count. She will sacrifice the Party so that she can do this again in 2012. So, another 4 years of war and recession - does that look good to you?

END THE MADNESS
OBAMA '08!!!

I attended Senator Obama's annoucement last February in Springfield, Illinois, along with approximately 17,000 others. From my visual, I would say 80% of those present were caucasian. I volunteered a week of my time to canvas for the Senator in January of this year. My state issued license plate reads "Obama08" and I design and distribute Obama tshirts, not as a form of income , but to add to the visual support of Senator Obama. I am a middle age (53 years old) caucasian woman, a professional and business owner who currently resides in Arizona. The vast majority of my friends and family of which the vast majority are caucasians and professionals, also support Barack Obama, including my 60 something typically republican ex husband. So, please....."vanmap" do not assume to know the demographic of Obama supporters, you obviously do not.

"Racist Republican trolls for Clinton!" thecrisis

Let me ask you something, who is a racist Republican for Clinton? Jearldine Ferraro is no Republican. Hell, her American citizenship should be questioned for running on a ticket vs. the great Ronald Reagan! Ferraro is a washed up liberal who doesn't know what she's talking about. Don't associate Ferraro with us (Republicans), she is a Democrat and we don't want her.

Back to the original topic, Obama is beating Clinton hands down. She did win RI, Texas & Ohio to end Obama's "streak" and give herself a good shot still. Pa. will be the indicator as to whether this goes on to a Florida/Michigan scandalous election or a big fight @ the Democratic convention. If Obama could just win Pa., he will be the winner & it goes no futhur. If Clinton wins Pa., it goes on til the end of the election. McCain awaits while trying to find a VP nominee & raise money.

"Hattiesburg, MS"

Who did Brett Favre vote for?

Hattiesburg, MS

The Republicans saved Clinton's butt. I've lived in MS for years and I can tell you that the north east and south west are very Republican. I've talked to some of my Rep friends and yes they voted for Clinton because they think Mac will beat her in the general election. Just look at the results from two counties (Forest and Lamar) which are separated by a highway. They results are reversed. Lamar is very republican and very red-neck. They voted for Clinton but will vote for Mac in the general even if they don't really care about him.

"I see Obama as having a glass jaw"

The man rose from a fatherless home on the South Side of Chicago -- a rough area -- to graduate at the Top of his class from Harvard.

This man has fortitude.

He takes this laudable Harvard Law Degree and goes back to from where started to help the poor and dispossed.

Honestly, how many of us would do that? Would not the common path have been to make as much money off that degree as quickly as possible?

This man has compassion.

He stood against the Invasion of Iraq -- when it extremely politically unpopular -- because:

1) it the wrong move, at the wrong time, against the wrong enemy

This man has a solid understanding of the 21st Century world and exhibits sound judgment.

and

2) it flew in the face of everything our Founding Fathers fought and died for...

This man has honor.

So, to say, "I see Obama as having a glass jaw"

Is just flat out wrong. Madam, methinks thou hast speaketh thus from thy alimentary canal.

Barrack Obama is a man of Fortitude, Compassion, Sound Judgment and Honor.

leichtman, you are entitled to vote for whoever you want. But I am really tired of the "glass jaw" analogy. I think Senator Obama has shown grace and steadiness under pressure. I think that his accomplishments and positions on the issues are just as compelling as Clinton. No, he hasn't cured cancer or taught the world to sing, but he is qualified under the constitution and compared to other candidates who have run for office.

The problem for Clinton is that she assumed that she was the foregone conclusion to lead the ticket. Now that she has to claw her way into it, we are beset by so-called Clinton supporters who make derogatory statements and then complain about bias when they are called on it. The bitterness about this began with Clinton and some of her loud-mouth supporters, who injected feminist entitlement (what? there are no other qualified women out there except Hillary?), distortions of Obama's record (knowing that her supporters and some media are too lazy to look into it), fear-mongering, victimization, and finally racism. It is a little disingenous for you to expect some pat on the back for Hillary when all her campaign has turned into is this farce.

She is a smart woman and accomplished one, and that is what makes my rejection of her campaign so sad to do. I don't even know what she stands for anymore, so buried is it in this flailing campaign. So, there are my reasons, not scripted by moveon.org or any organization.

labc: it is not new reports that has led me to that conclusion its what I have read here. I can summarize those comments if you please but I am sure you are in denial and will ignore those tasteless comments. Hopefully those comments by his overly aggresive supporters don't represent the candidate or his campaign towards his opposition.

Once again I have called BOTH candidates as honorable patriots. I doubt I will hear anything as conciliatory from the other side.

labc did you bother to even read what I posted above? I answered your querry did you answer mine?

leichtman, haven't you said in the past that you refuse to support Obama, because of some news report you saw where Obama supporters were rude?

When Barack Obama is the nominee, will you vote for him? Or are you a spoiled kid?

Posted by: Blarg
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That is a good question.

blarg I am 55 years old and not a kid. Saying I won't vote for Obama is far different than saying I will vote for McCain.Again I won't be bullied by you, Obama supporters, moveon or DFA. I have never ever voted for a Republican and never will and have spent a good part of my life being an integral part of electing Dems throughout my life, that won't change even if Obama is at the top of the ticket. Yes I resent the ugly sexist and aegist comments I have here read about Hillary over the last 2 weeks and have begged them to stop. Instead they have become uglier and more intense. Does that represent the attitude of Sen. Obama? Again I think I am the only blogger here to say that BOTH are honorable patriots. I have yet to hear anything close to that from anyone here suporting Obama.
I am mature enough to not make my decision who to support for the most impt job in the country based upon tasteless immature posts on this blog.
But neither does that guarantee me a lifelong Democrat as a given for Obama in Nov IF he is the nominee, and I sincerely do not believe that has been decided yet, especially if Obama loses Pa, Fla and Michigan.
I see Obama as having a glass jaw and the far weaker candidate in Nov.
I also don't feel that his years as an Illinois State Senator and 3 years as an Illinois US Senator which according to the New York Times on Sunday, has a very weak list of accomplishments, makes him in the least bit qualified to be Pres. and honestly that scares the heck out of me. Personally I feel that he one of the least qualified Dems Presidential candidates that I have ever seen in our party as a serious candidate. He is an honorable man, and a patriot, but with our economic meltdown, stock market crash, and truly frightening oil prices, I have heard very little from Sen Obama that has convinced me that IF he should win the nomination he will be getting my vote in Nov. Last time I checked that is my right regardless of what you might hear from other Clinton supporters. Looking for your response blarg.

"The Mississippi exit polls tell you everything, Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama if he is the nominee. Mission Accomplished!"

Please, you moronic troll.
Posted by: Spectator2

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LOL! Talk about moving the goalposts - now they are are out of the stadium and the teams' colors have changed.

Blarg: While leichtman may be a spoiled kid, there have been far more posts on here from people like mibrooks saying they won't vote for Clinton if she's the nominee.

The selective outrage from people (across the spectrum) on these boards is ridiculous.

"The Mississippi exit polls tell you everything, Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama if he is the nominee. Mission Accomplished!"

Please, you moronic troll. Mississippi exit polls? LOL

Here's the talking points against Obama from a few months ago. Funny stuff.

Obama's Toughest Sell for White House Bid may be to Other Blacks

WASHINGTON (By Stephanie Griffith, AFP) -- US political darling Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) has received enthusiastic support for a possible 2008 presidential bid -- except from fellow African-Americans, a group many had believed would be among his staunchest backers.

Obama announced Tuesday that he was forming a presidential exploratory committee, allowing him to begin raising campaign funds and openly court support in his bid to become the first black US president.

But in sharp contrast to the effusive reception he has received from white Americans, many US blacks so far have been cool, noting that while they share skin color with Obama, they do not have a common culture or history.

"Obama did not -- does not -- share a heritage with the majority of black Americans, who are descendants of plantation slaves," African-American newspaper columnist Stanley Crouch wrote in November, in an article entitled "Barack Obama -- Not Black Like Me."

Radio host George Wilson, whose nationally-broadcast talk show tests the opinions of a cross-section of African-American listeners, said response to the Illinois senator so far has been "lukewarm."

"He's not getting as much of an enthusiastic send-off from black people as he is from whites," Wilson said. "There's a feeling that if white folks like him so much he must not be good for us. For some blacks, it's a turn-off."

Obama draws enormous, mostly white crowds, even though the first presidential primary election is still more than a year away, and is seen as a top contender for the Democratic presidential nomination.

But Crouch said that the first-term US senator -- the bi-racial progeny of a black Kenyan father and a white American mother -- does not share with most American blacks the painful legacy of slavery, repressive segregation laws and civil rights struggles.

"While he has experienced some light versions of typical racial stereotypes, he cannot claim those problems as his own -- nor has he lived the life of a black American," Crouch wrote in his New York Daily News column.

"If we then end up with him as our first black president, he will have come into the White House through a side door," the columnist wrote.

Political analyst Ron Walters said that Obama, whose Harvard law school pedigree rounds out his half-European ancestry, is a black man whom many whites find reassuring.

"If you take this in almost anthropological terms, there's a sense in which whites are more comfortable with blacks who they believe reaffirm them," Walters said.

However, African-Americans, who are accustomed to leaders who emerge from the civil rights movement, sometimes appear to struggle to relate to Obama.

"He has affirmed his own mixed identity, but he has not strongly affirmed the right and the claim of African-Americans in this society to equal treatment," said Walters, a professor at the University of Maryland.

If Obama runs -- he said he would announce his decision on February 10 -- he would be the first African-American candidate for president who does not come out of the civil rights movement.

US Representative Shirley Chisholm, of New York, was the first African-American to run for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1972. Civil rights activist Jesse Jackson was a contender for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1984 and 1988.

For his part, Obama seems to be aware of the need to court longtime black elders before pursuing the US presidency. Last week, for example, he hailed Jackson as having paved the way for his own presidential aspirations.

"I owe him a great debt," Obama was quoted in the US press as telling the audience at an event in Chicago sponsored by Jackson.

"If I'm on the cover of (African-American magazine) Ebony this month, it's not because of me. It's because a whole bunch of folks did the work to put me there," Obama said.

But another civil rights leader, the firebrand Reverend Al Sharpton, who was a Democratic presidential contender in 2004, reportedly has dismissed the "razzle-dazzle" surrounding Obama, and recently said he might choose to run again for president himself.

A CNN poll last month found that 60 percent of Americans said they have no reservations about voting for a black president, but some observers have their doubts.

"There are individuals who say one thing publicly, but ... in the privacy of the voting booth, they do something else," said Wilson.

"The American population is not ready -- despite of what Barack says -- to have a black man be the president of the United States," Wilson said.

One thing that is clear, he said, is that Obama, like any Democratic presidential nominee, would need strong African-American support to win the White House in 2008.

"If he declares, then he will have to convince African-Americans to support him, and just his color alone is not going to be enough," Wilson said.

dgloo - "It is virtually a mathematical impossibility for Clinton to win the delegate count--that is, unless the DNC caves and allows her a mulligan in Florida and Michigan."

Are you an arts major? While it is highly improbable that Clinton will gather more pledged delegates based on the remaining available (with or without FL/MI), it is certainly not mathmatically impossible (yet). Obama is somewhere around 161 pledged delegates ahead at the moment. PA alone has 158 pledged delegates. Additionally, it's not just about pledged delegates. It's total delegates, pledged and super. And the current magic number of 2025 (total of all delegate types needed to secure nomination). I didn't make the rules. The idiots at the DNC are responsible for those, the undemocratic supers as well as the FL/MI fiasco. But until someone gets to 2025, which is a majority of the total number of available delegates, anything is mathmatically possible. It's just that some outcomes are more likely than others.

Why does the WaPo persist in claiming HRC won three of the four contests on March 4th? We've known for almost a week that Obama won the caucuses; CNN has called it for Obama; and it appears Obama has come out with a five delegate surplus from TX (not counting the supers). Why the delay in correcting this misperception of a Clinton victory?

leichtman, haven't you said in the past that you refuse to support Obama, because of some news report you saw where Obama supporters were rude?

When Barack Obama is the nominee, will you vote for him? Or are you a spoiled kid?

The kitchen sink theory does not merely apply to the Clinton '08, it is double pronged, to ensure that if Clinton '08 does not work, that it will work for Clinton '12. I finally figured this thing out. It is win at all cost, but it is even more sinister. It is designed to weaken Obama to the point where if he is the nominee, he will not win in November. John McCain for 4 years is much more tolerable than Obama for 8 years. Do you see? If Clinton wins the nomination this year, it'll be by dirty, backroom deals. She will have a slim chance winning in November if she is wins this way. But she has a better chance in 2012, provided that Obama fades away in the distance. This is Machiavellian at its finest. How else do you explain the McCain is a better commander-and-chief than Obama, the leaking of the photograph to Drudge, the Ferraro comments. The Mississippi exit polls tell you everything, Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama if he is the nominee. Mission Accomplished!

This is becoming very sad and disheartening.
Let's face the fact - the argument of racism cuts both ways.
There are elements of racism in both camps.

When 90% of blacks vote for a black candidate, is that not showing some elements of preferring a race over another?

Obama's people accuse Hillary's camp of being racist but they keep stoking the fire of all these racist taunts.

The democratic party has shown little leadership in dealing with the problems that they have created and it is becoming more and more possible that they will blow their chance at the white house.

dgloo we are all shaking in our boots. If the party doesn't do as you inist then you will just leave. I guess that means that you were never a Democrat to start with just a spoiled kid who says if I don't get my way I will just pick up my ball and leave. Do you act that way with your empolyer? Unlilke what the Obama bloggers have told me,"if you don't like our candidate then just leave the party', I will more maturally ask dgloo to stop making this campaign all about him, and seriously reconsider and support Hillary in the fall.
It seems now agreed that an Obama push to try and block a Fla and Michigan recount would be a disaster for his candidacy and the nominee in Nov.

So Spitzer is quitting while the disgraced Craig and Vitter are still in their highly paid offices.

So much for the bleats of rightwingnuts about disgraced Republicans being forced from office by liberals while Democrats are forgiven.

If Hilary plans to spend six weeks aggressively arguing that Obama lacks the experience to be president, she will be doing McCain's work for him. There are many Democrats who are becoming increasingly dis-enchanted with her tactics. Bill and Howard need to have a serious chat with her about the future of the Democratic party.

To novamatt... If you count Wyoming and Kansas to vote Democratic in November, let's just give McCain the election.

Of course.... Obama can hope... that Kansas and Wyoming will change.

Last Wednesday, the media was all breathless over Clinton's "win" in Texas. Big, bold headlines shouted about her victory. Well, not so fast, it seems.

In fact, when the final tally was made and reported last night, Obama actually earned MORE delegates in Texas than Clinton did, based on his commanding lead in the caucus portion of the Texas vote.

So where's the front page news now? Where is the correction/retraction?

In fact, when you take into account Texas, Ohio, and Mississippi, Obama actually ADDED to his delegate count lead.

It is virtually a mathematical impossibility for Clinton to win the delegate count--that is, unless the DNC caves and allows her a mulligan in Florida and Michigan.

If that happens, I will put a McCain sticker on my bumper and walk away from the democratic party forever.

Are you listening Howard?

To jpannebecker... You stated, "Obama campaign will do what ever it can to win." Of course he does... it seems that it doesn't matter to him to disenfranchise Michigan and Florida as long as he wins the nomination. If "Change" is more than a slogan, Obama should push for the votes in Michigan and Florida to be counted as they stand. Nobody campaigned there, and it is not as if Michigan and Florida are half-way around the globe with no access to media. Oh well... I guess Clinton was right, Obama is all rhetoric.

ALBANY, N.Y. - New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer has decided to resign, completing a stunning fall from power after he was nationally disgraced by links to a high-priced prostitution ring, a top state official said Wednesday.

Spitzer is scheduled to announce his resignation at 11:30 a.m., according to a second top Spitzer staffer.

Obama campaign will do what ever it can to win. Split the vote 50/50 in Florida, when he was on the ballot is outrageous. They are against mail-in do overs too. Well, it has finally happen what American people ,black and white have been saying amongst themselves. The campaign for Presidency by the democratic party has turned racist. Now it is black against white. I for one will not be bothered. I guess it is time to change parties.

"leichtman, Obama is attracting R's and I's who will vote for him in both the primary and the general. Hillary is attracting the primary votes of R's who very much intend to vote for McCain in the general. See the difference?

What I do see is your obvious spin and rationalizing, do you understand rationalizing novamat?

Also, the Obama campaign supports in principle a fair revote in Florida and Michigan."

novamat and blarg we have had this discussion before and hopefully by now you know my position, I don't like Republicans
meddling with our primaries period, regardless who they vote for I want Dems and Independents picking our nominee not Republicans. The only way to stop or at least slow it dwon is to require party registration before casting a primary vote something we don't have here in Texas. The party will realistically never do that.

Strategic voting in the primaries is going on on both sides. The local CBS affiliate interviewed Houston cross over voters Obama supporters who said of course they will never vote that way in the general and giggled when asked why they were doing, it was pure mischifef especially since McCain had the nomination wrapped up. After the Conventions 90 percent of voters routinely go home to their party nominee. My neighbors were a case in point: both are ardent Republicans and 1 voted Hillary the other for Obama, I would bet anything I will be seeing their McCain signs out on their yard soon. My point is that both candidates are wrongfully taking advantage of Republican cross overs, and its rediculous if Obama supporters who recently bragged about Republican support decry it.

MSNBC last night reported a stalemate in the Fla state house blocking at least for now a proposed revote by Sen. Nelson. MSNBC who has been decidedly proObama had reports that it was all coming from the Obama camp and with Obama Fla representatives. No one responded to my querry how this will look in the general if Fla Democrats believe that Obama blocked their convention vote. The only 2 proposals I have heard by Daschel is to split the delegation 50/50, which is preposterous, or have a Fla caucus which would seriously depress the elderly Clinton vote in Fla. Corzine has already said he would pony up millions for a revote, what is the problem Obama supporters? If your candidate is such a shoe in, and should be spending time measuring for curtains, why block or slow down a Fla revote and effectively say its now too late to have? Are you looking to repeat Gore v. Bush redeux?

CPCook, consider me and the exit pollsters in multiple states to be thus deluded. Obama expands the base of potential D voters, which is why so many red-state D's are so excited about his candidacy. Clinton shrinks it. I'm lazy, but if you really want me to, I can smack you around with some hard data concerning that.

newagent99, when Hillary and her surrogates use race as a wedge to divide southern Democrats, and Obama stays on message about unifying the country, don't you think those racial splits say more about Hillary's divisiveness than Obama's?

I'm feeling feisty today. Bring on the Hillary dead-enders. I want to get some fun in before they slink back to their spiderholes.

The kitchen sink theory does not merely apply to the Clinton '08, it is double pronged, to ensure that if Clinton '08 does not work, that it will work for Clinton '12. I finally figured this thing out. It is win at all cost, but it is even more sinister. It is designed to weaken Obama to the point where if he is the nominee, he will not win in November. John McCain for 4 years is much more tolerable than Obama for 8 years. Do you see? If Clinton wins the nomination this year, it'll be by dirty, backroom deals. She will have a slim chance winning in November if she is wins this way. But she has a better chance in 2012, provided that Obama fades away in the distance. This is Machiavellian at its finest. How else do you explain the McCain is a better commander-and-chief than Obama, the leaking of the photograph to Drudge, the Ferraro comments. The Mississippi exit polls tell you everything, Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama if he is the nominee. Mission Accomplished!

none writes
"President Clinton said earlier today that he and his family will be over PA like a wet blanket--not sure how appropriate that metaphor is for generating enthusiasm actually."

It seems appropriate - and accurate - to me.

CPCook, another Clinton troll sent by Penn & Wolfson to spew the most preposterous spin. What are your masters' plans for when Hillary loses, lapdog? Bark for your masters! Bark!

God forbid The Fix should tell it like it is, that this was another landslide (if he's stuck for metaphors - another nail in the coffin, another pounding of the stake through the vampire's heart, etc.). Cillizza is a self-proclaimed political junkie, but I'm wondering which country's politics it is he's fascinated with - it doesn't seem to be this one.

Hey Chris, turn on the TV - you're missing a great campaign!

CPCook: Obama has beaten Hillary among working-class white Americans in several states.

The demographic claims made by Hillary supporters are ridiculous. You claim that Obama loses among Asians, Hispanics, the working class, etc. Basically, you say that he loses every group but black voters and the wealthy. But if that's true, how is he leading in both the popular vote and delegate totals? If Clinton's so strong among those demographics, why isn't she winning this election?

To novamatt... please don't delude yourself... Reps who vote(d) for Obama won't necessarily vote for him in the general elections. Reps who vote(d) for Clinton won't necessarily vote for her in the general elections. It is foolish to think that Limbaugh has that much influence. Limbaugh is an entertainer, and people listen to him to get entertained.

Should Obama win the Dem nomination, it would be unfortunate that the Nov election would not be in the caucus format.

leichtman, there are two reasons that someone might cross party lines to vote in a primary. One possibility is that they genuinely like the candidate they're voting for, and would prefer that candidate to win. The other possibility is that they want to elect the candidate they think is weaker, to make the general election easier.

That's the difference between the Republican votes for Obama and Hillary. There are a large number of independents, and even some Republicans, who actually like Obama as a candidate. That even includes some Republicans here. But have you ever heard any Republican actually praise Hillary Clinton? They can't stand her. And there are even prominent Republican pundits (Limbaugh and Coulter in particular) who explicitly support Hillary because they think she can be beaten. So there's a huge difference between crossover votes for the two candidates.

Yeah, I do understand rationalizing, leichtman. I also understand projecting. Almost everything you accuse others of is what you yourself are guilty of. You love Hillary, and all you do here is rationalize. Every piece of news, every fact, every analysis that hurts her chances of winning the nomination you discount or ignore or explain away. Every shred, every crumb that might in some way help her you fluff and buff and shine until it sparkles like fresh aluminum foil.

I don't know what the solution is in FL. The DNC shouldn't pay for it, the campaigns shouldn't pay for it. If the state of FL doesn't pay for it, then they probably lose and maybe states take the national parties seriously in '12. And it's funny how you Hillary dead-enders never mention a re-vote in MI anymore. Guess you guys have seen the polling out of MI too.

To newagent99... This is anecdotal, but on an informal basis with friends, asian and hispanic friends, even those who would normally vote for Democratic candidates, are seriously considering voting for McCain. The common reason provided is that Obama just have a thinnest qualifications. If I may add, it also sends the message to the Democratic party that people just don't vote on the basis of the party, but on who is offered by the party. Furthermore, with the Dems having a more solid control of Congress, having a Rep in the White House would not be as bad.

Obama is like GWB, only in Democratic clothing. What's funny is that Obama is seen as somebody who transcends racial divide, and yet Clinton beats him among hispanics and asians and even working (middle-class) white americans.

leichtman, Obama is attracting R's and I's who will vote for him in both the primary and the general. Hillary is attracting the primary votes of R's who very much intend to vote for McCain in the general. See the difference?

Also, the Obama campaign supports in principle a fair revote in Florida and Michigan. Obama wins the nomination regardless (and likely picks up a nice delegate haul if they do happen), so he has no reason to block them. The problem is in who pays for it and in logistics. Those may or may not be insurmountable obstacles. And those states won't be won or lost in November based on who gets seated at the convention. Give FL and MI voters a little credit.

In Mississippi

90% of the black vote for Obama
30% of the white vote for OBama
14% of the hispanic voter for Obama

that's the way to loose a general election!

Obama, is he more of a divider than Bush?
it looks like it.

In Mississippi

90% of the black vote for Obama
30% of the white vote for OBama
14% of the hispanic voter for Obama

that's the way to loose a general election!

Obama, is he more of a divider than Bush?
it looks like it.

Of Limbaugh's "endorsement," kendallj wrote:
"Has there ever been a situation like it? Has a national figure ever purposefully advocated hijacking an opposing party's politics?"

Well, Markos Moulitsas did urge Democrats to vote for Mitt Romney in Michigan this year in order to delay the end of the Republican race.

HILLARY DILLARY DOCK-
TRIED TO OUT RUN THE CLOCK-
THE CLOCK WENT "BAM"-
AND THE VOTERS SAID "SCRAM"-
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billdoor and others now decry republicans crossing over for Clinton. But it seems not so very long ago that I read constant posts here by Obama supporters saying just the opposite; that his ability to attract Republicans was the rationale for his nomination. Interesting that that rationale has suddenly changed to an attack mode.

Moreover, why is the Obama campaign so determined to block a Florida recount? Its plain and simple. If Hillary should win Pa and Florida and reduce Obama's pledged delegate advantage to let's say 50 or 75 his chances for winning the nomination are greatly reduced. That seems pretty short sided b/c it seems logical that if Sen Obama disses Fla Democrats in the primary and is perceived that it was his campaign that strategically blocked a Fla revote he can kiss Fla and potentially Michigan good by in the general. Time is of the essence in these 2 states and its time his advisors stop playing politics and agree to a reasonable compromise for a revote. Block a revote Senator Obama and do it at your own peril. I can anticipate the response to this post from the Obama camp, oh its their durn fault they shouldn't have moved their primary date up. Well that is fine and dandy but believe me Fla voters will take it out on Obama if he should win and then go down there in the general and ask for their vote, and he made sure that neither their actual vote was counted or that he blocked a revote. That strategy in fact earily reminds me of W's blocking an Al Gore recount of Fla. and we all remember how that worked out.

Democrats who say they are going to vote for McCain in the general election need to be reminded of the Supreme Court nominations that will likely be picked by the next president. If you are a pro-choice Dem then you need to know that McCain is not pro-choice and he has said that he would nominate someone in the same vein as Alito or Roberts. The SCOTUS is in danger of taking us back 100 years if another Republican becomes president and is allowed to nominate another right-wing hack.

vammap just said,

"Powell has proved himself to be extraordinarily ethical, believable and trustworthy."

If Powell was so "extraordinarily ethical, believable and trustworthy" then maybe we would not be in this quagmire in Iraq. The man allowed himself to be used by the Bush administration when he "testified" before the UN in Feb 2003. He lied to the world and helped scare/convince millions that Saddam had WMD and needed to be stopped.

Now Powell is admitting that he never should have made the statements he did @ the UN. Pitiful. His political career is over. Too bad he wasn't ethical enough to stand up to the Bush war-mongering.

1. I agree with thouse who say Clinton is trying to lure Obama into a fight over race.

2. Experience shouldn't be rated too highly when it comes to choosing a president. It has been remarked of Lincoln that it's a good thing he stumbled into the presidency, since he had failed at everything else. Clinton had zero experience compared to Bush, Senior, when the former was elsected in 1992. And what is all the experience that counts supposed to be about, anyway? Why do "key" Senate votes count as experience? Or trips to foreign countries? Leadership is not a series of multiple choice questions that "experienced" people answer correctly and "inexperienced" ones do not. Nor is it having visited a foreign capital That's the idiocy at the center of the "3 am phone call" ad. Does H. Clinton want us to believe that the words the "experienced" leader utters into the mouthpiece will either be the right or wrong answer, and either the end of the "crisis" (how about some content, guys) or the end of America?

As the primary race has built up a precedence on racial lines, the ultimate result will be more of the same, not less, which means if Obama wins, or lets say if the DFL gives him a win, McCain will win the nomination.

White DFL voters will feel disenfranchised, because their candidate is Hillary. That's what the exit polls show. White voters will not cross over to Obama. So, for those who continue to say that race is not an issue for both whites and BLACKS, they are looking at this match-up with blinders.

The Polls show both Whites and Blacks prefer to vote for their own to represent them, though many black voters would cross to Hillary. Obama can not win the white vote in NOV.

If someone like Powell were running or someone who has the trust and history of service that crosses both racial and political lines, it would be different.

Powell has proved himself to be extraordinarily ethical, believable and trustworthy.

Obama doesn't come close.

I'm sick of idiots like vanmap.

Vanmap, that doesn't make an ounce of sense. Is there a huge Black population in Wyoming, Iowa, Alaska or North Dakota?

Tell you what, I will answer that for you. The entire combined population could fit in my yard. They would have to stand, but they could still fit.

Do not presume to tell me that I will vote based on racial lines. You do not know me. You do not know my family. You do not know my heart, or my values or my ideals.

You are right about one thing. If you try to win by dividing the party, you will lose. Senator Clinton had all the name recognition, money, power and influence at the beginning of this race and the simple majority of voters have rejected her. She needs to take the hint and bow out gracefully.

I think those of you who believe Rush Limbaugh controls the 10% or so of the Republicans who vote in Democratic primaries are overestimating his influence. I am not saying that there aren't some who are doing so. I just don't think it's 2.5 million votes nationwide (50,000 votes in Mississippi). My father, bless his Texas Republican heart, wouldn't do what Rush Limbaugh told him to do for anything. He thinks the man is a pill-popping idiot.

On the Democratic side, I think Senator Clinton and her surrogates have really gone overboard. I was willing to support the Democratic candidate in November, no matter who it was. But I can't bring myself to vote for someone who is so willing to destroy all the values she claims to hold dear just to get the job.

I believe that the current conventional wisdom (the remaining contests will not offer an opportunity for a clear winner to emerge and this fight is going to be decided by the super-delegates at the Convention) is exxagerated. In fact, each candidate has at least one clear path to winning the nomination that, while somewhat difficult, is not impossible by any means:

Obama could put Clinton away for good in at least one of two ways: (a) defeating Clinton in Pennsylvania (he already achieved a similar feat in Wisconsin, a win that seemed to position him as capable of building a broad coalition but on which he failed to capitalize) or (b) defeating Clinton in a re-vote in Florida and maintaining a lead of more than a 100 pledged delegates by th3e end of the contests.

Clinton could prevail in only one way, which involves meeting all of the following three conditions: (1) defeating Obama in Pennsylvania and in re-votes in Florida and Michigan, (2) defeating Obama in at least one state in which he is now the favorite in the polls (Indiana?), and (3) surpassing Obama in the popular vote total.

The Obama people keep calling White voters who do not vote for Obama "racist", even though it is African-American voters who vote unanimously for the candidate who shares their ethnic background, while White voters have chosen more diversely. The hypocritical cultural bullying is what will send White Clinton voters into the McCain camp. Convince me Obama is more qualified than Clinton and I listen, but tell me that I'm a racist for not voting for Obama and I wouldn't vote for him even if he WAS qualified (which, two years out of the state legislature, he isn't).

dyinglikeflies, that's a strawman. No one is accusing all Clinton supporters of being racist. Clinton and Clinton surrogates have used racially charged language in an attempt to woo the sort of white voters who might be swayed by such appeals.

Those efforts have appealed to some but not many white voters, and have probably permanently poisoned the Clintons' relations with black voters and some non-black voters. The Clintons gambled and lost.

I'm astonished that no major newspaper has chosen to take on Rush Limbaugh yet.

I understand the hesitancy; publicizing his "endorsement" of Clinton only publicizes his effort to manipulate his enemies (read: Democrats (big D), liberals, progressives) but the press cannot ignore that Rush Limbaugh can move 2-5 percent of the vote in open primaries.

It should be a non-story, but sadly it isn't, and can't be. Has there ever been a situation like it? Has a national figure ever purposefully advocated hijacking an opposing party's politics?

I think it's a first and if it isn't, it speaks poorly to our democratic (little d) standards.

The crux of the issue: would Democrats (big D) do any different? Sadly I don't think we would.

oi vie.

Congrat's to Obama.

In the last week he wins 4 contests to Hillary's 3, and more (projected) delegates:

OBAMA
Vermont
Texas Caucus
Wyoming
Mississippi

CLINTON
Rhode Island
Ohio
Texas Primary

So much for the Texas / Ohio firewall, huh?

"appeared to score a convincing win"? 60% to 37.5% is a total landslide.
"white-hot rhetoric"? hmmm...who is fanning the flames here?
And why not comment on the Limbaugh-Clinton pact by default, that which threatens the future of the Democratic party? But so what? HRC doesn't care, as long as she thinks she can win.
Well, with all of the help from the press these past two weeks, all she needs is to make a lot of dirty back door promises to the superdelegates. Then she will be absolutely destroyed by the Republicans in the general election. She has so much dirt and so many stains in hers and BC's closet, it just can't be cleaned up. But no matter. Winning is all that counts. Hillbots unite! You drove the war machine into the ditch, now drive the party into one too!

None,

Congratulations on becoming relevant. I hope you don't regret this - 6 weeks of bickering sounds like torture to me. Well,maybe McCain will swoop in and comdemn it, just so he stays relevant.

Another state, another victory. Will Obama be able to win PA? Actually, the question is, will Clinton be able to win by 20+ points, for those are the delegates she needs to stay in the race;

Pennsylvania Primary- Hillary vs. Barack:

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=57

billdoors - Not so surprising at all. Those areas aren't Republican, they are KKK territory! Of late, Clinton's campaign has gotten more and more overtly racist. Not just her, but her surrogates are saying things that wouldn't have been tolerated even in the 1950's. Hillary and Ferraro's entire career lives have depended upon special set asides. Women are the chief recipients of affirmative action set asides that were originally designed to help racial minority men raising families. Instead, white women, college educated spoiled children of privilege, took those set asides for themselves, all the while whining about sexism and a glass ceiling. We are engaged in an open war, now, with these parasites, this hysterical mob. The dirty little truth is that entitlements that justifiably belong to black men were stole by white feminists. The continuing misery of Black America, the destruction of the black family, is the direct fault of Clinton, Ferraro and their feminist mob.

Here in Pennsylvania, we're so excited to actually be relevant in this primary! We are the next stop, and we'll get the candidates for the next 6 weeks. President Clinton said earlier today that he and his family will be over PA like a wet blanket--not sure how appropriate that metaphor is for generating enthusiasm actually.

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Here in Pennsylvania, we're so excited to actually be relevant in this primary! We are the next stop, and we'll get the candidates for the next 6 weeks. President Clinton said earlier today that he and his family will be over PA like a wet blanket--not sure how appropriate that metaphor is for generating enthusiasm actually.

According to exit polls in Mississippi, 13% of voters in the Dem. primary were Republicans.

An astonishing 79% of them voted for Clinton.

The Limbaugh effect? Racism?

Remove the Republicans from the count, and Obama's support among white Democrats is considerably higher than the raw numbers would indicate.

Clinton military brass join ranks with Obama campaign RAW STORY | March 10, 2008 Clinton Secretary of Navy, Air Force to tout Obama's credentials. According to a press release from the Obama campaign Monday morning, the candidate's staff will appear with top military brass today "to discuss why Obama has demonstrated the judgment and has the experience to be Commander In Chief." "Today, former service secretaries for each of the Armed Forces - Clifford Alexander, Jr. (US Army), Richard Danzig (US Navy), and F. Whitten Peters (US Air Force) - will host a press conference in Washington, DC to discuss why Obama has demonstrated the judgment and has the experience to be Commander In Chief," the release writes.
Among those attending: "Secretary Clifford Alexander, Jr. (US Army - Carter Administration), Secretary Richard Danzig (US Navy - Clinton Administration) and Secretary F. Whitten Peters (US Air Force - Clinton Administration."The event will be held at the United Food and Commercial Workers, 1775 K Street, NW - 11th Floor at 1pm today.
OBAMA WINS ANOTHER ONE
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Racist Republican trolls for Clinton!

thank you billdoors.

Also--why is MS claimed to be an "expected win" while Ohio and Texas ("expected Clinton wins" last week) were treated like HRC pulled off some upset.