Ohio-Texas Two Step Predictions!
So, it all comes down to this.
After more than two months of primaries, caucuses and even the occasional state convention, today's contests in Ohio and Texas (as well as Rhode Island and Vermont) may offer the clarity the political class has been seeking since the process began on Jan. 3 with the Iowa caucuses.
For Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), it's hard to overstate the stakes. Clinton comes into the voting in Ohio and Texas having lost eleven straight contests to Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) and having fallen behind him in the chase for campaign cash. Polling shows Clinton with a small lead in Ohio; the race is extremely tight in Texas.
While both campaigns are certain to spin the results (whatever they may be), here's the straight dope: A "win" for Clinton likely means popular vote margins in Ohio AND Texas. Anything short of that could make it difficult for her to claim the momentum has swung back in her direction and keep the establishment from calling for her to step aside for the good of the party.
On the Republican side, Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) could officially wrap up the nomination tonight. McCain currently has 1,014 delegates -- 177 short of the 1,191 needed to claim his party's nod. The four states voting today offer 265 delegates on the Republican side with Texas (140 delegates allocated as the result of the election) the biggest prize and Vermont (17 delegates) the smallest.
Former governor Mike Huckabee (Ark.) has vowed to stay in the race until McCain hits the 1,191 mark, but his decision to keep on keeping on has far more to do with positioning for 2012 than it has to do with any real belief that he can win the nomination this time around.
With that prelude out of the way, let's get to the predictions! In the comments section below, we want the order of finish (with percentages) for the Republican and Democratic primaries in Ohio and Texas. (Yes, we know there is a caucus in Texas and the district-level votes in Ohio but for the sake of simplicity we are sticking to the statewide primaries.) We also want to hear your take on the post-election storyline for the Republican and Democratic candidates.
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Polls close in Ohio at 7:30 p.m. ET time so no predictions submitted after that time will be accepted.
Need guidance? Check out the aggregated polling for Ohio and Texas at the two best sites for it: pollster.com and Real Clear Politics.
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March 4, 2008; 8:27 AM ET
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Posted by: bwvr | March 4, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse
Republican - Ohio: McCain 66; Huckabee 24; Paul 8 ... Texas: McCain 52; Huckabee 34; Paul 13
Democrat - Ohio: Clinton 50; Obama 49.5 ... Texas: Obama 53; Clinton 46
Headlines: McCain All But Wraps. Obama Takes Texas; Still Counting in Ohio... Hillary to Halt?
Posted by: Cheeseheadpol | March 4, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Clinton 51
Obama 49
Texas:
Obama 53
Clinton 47
Headlines:
Clinton moves goalposts again, this time into the grandstand... Superdelegates surge to Obama after Texas win.
Posted by: Boutan | March 4, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Clinton 54
Obama 46
McCain 57
Huckabee 28
Paul 5
Texas:
Clinton 51
Obama 49
McCain 55
Huckabee 38
Paul 7
Democrats: Will this thing ever end? With Penn. a month away, all attention turns to the PLEOs.
Republicans: Huckabee and Paul give up the dream, clearing the way for the McCain train... but not without grumblings from the far-right.
Posted by: metstotop333 | March 4, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse
Ohio
Obama 51 Clinton 49
Texas Primary
Obama 51 Clinton 49
Texas Caucus
Obama 55 Clinton 45
Vermont
Obama 65 Clinton 35
Rhode Island
Obama 49.5 Clinton 49
Posted by: bschick20 | March 4, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Clinton 53%
Obama 46%
Texas:
Clinton 51%
Obama 48%
(The delegate count will favor Obama ever-so-slightly in the primary and significantly in the caucus).
Obama wins Vermont by a wide margin, Clinton wins Rhode Island by just over 10%. The combined delegates from these two states is very close to even.
Spin:
Clinton and Obama both claim victory. Clinton won the popular vote in Ohio and Texas, while Obama extended his delegate lead. Obama announces February fundraising and 50 more superdelegates on Wednesday. Clinton drops out late Friday afternoon.
Posted by: morlingc | March 4, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse
OH:
Clinton- 51
Obama- 48
McCain- 58
Huckabee- 38
TX:
Obama- 53
Clinton- 46
McCain- 52
Huckabee- 45
McCain wraps up the nomination officially, Huckabee continues campaign for 2012.
Clinton tries to press on, but superdelegates and press start to pressure Hillary to drop out after she fails to meet expectations her own husband sets. Obama starts to look to McCain and general election.
Posted by: jthemann | March 4, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse
Headline:
Huckabee Drops out--pledges support to McCain on Wednesday.
Posted by: SMARTINSEN | March 4, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Clinton 54%
Obama 46%
McCain 65%
Huckabee 35%
Texas:
Clinton 51%
Obama 49%
McCain 60%
Huckabee 40%
Headlines: McCain locks nomination.
Democrats settle nothing.
Posted by: cybridge | March 4, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse
Dem Ohio
Obama: 48
Clinton: 51
Dem Texas
Obama 56
Clinton 42
Storyline: Donors, party figures, super delegates pressure Clinton to bow out despite (narrow) Ohio win
Rep Ohio
McCain: 71
Huckabee: 24
Rep Texas
McCain: 63
Huckabee: 33
Storyline: McCain a hair's breath from delegate win
Posted by: burrowsreise | March 4, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse
OH (r)
McCain 57
Huck 36
Paul 6
OH (d)
Clinton 46
Obama 51
TX (r)
McCain 53
Huckabee 37
Paul 8
TX (d)
Clinton 49
Obama 47
Two close ones for the Dems, effectively ensuring the pre-convention delegate lead for Obama remains. More grumbling from inside the beltway for Hillary to suspend. McCain over the top for the GOP.
Posted by: jendugas | March 4, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse
Ohio
Dem.
Clinton 55%
Obama 45%
Rep.
McCain 60%
Huckabee 29%
Paul 11%
Texas
Dem.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
Rep.
McCain 56%
Huckabee 32%
Paul 12%
Storyline: Clinton appears to have halted Obama momentum with 3 AM ad and Rezko insinuations but may have been aided by republicans who desire to extend Dem contest; McCain cinches his grip on Republican nomination, but increasing Paul percentages indicate underlying voter concern about economic direction and costs of war strategy.
Posted by: mesondk | March 4, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse
Ohio: Clinton 54, Obama 45
Texas: Clinton 49, Obama 48
Rhode Island: Clinton 52, Obama 47
Vermont: Clinton 34, Obama 65
Headlines: Democratic race to drag on . . . Russian system of choosing leaders begins to look appealing. . .
Posted by: Nicholas.Gliserman | March 4, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse
Dead heat in Texas (49-49) -- Clinton takes a few hundred more votes, but Obama takes many more delegates overall after primaries and caucases.
Clinton wins Ohio (51-47) -- delegate take is closer to even.
McCain gets enough delegates to surpass the 1,191 he needs.
Huckabee tries to make a big splash announcing he's dropping out, publicly endorses McCain calling him a "true conservative" ~300 times in his concession speech.
Clinton's camp claims two popular vote victories are a mandate from the voting public to continue on.
Obama's camp touts gains in delegates, but doesn't call for Clinton to bow out.
Clinton's supporters assume she's in until at least April 22nd, but she drops out two weeks from now, after Obama wins Mississippi next week, many undeclared party super delegates begin to endorse Obama, party insiders start to abandon Clinton, and week's worth of work in Pennsylvania suggests to Clinton's camp that they won't take the state by the margin they need.
Posted by: RalphEHenryJr | March 4, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse
Texas:
Clinton 52
Obama 48
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McCain 54
Huck 37
Paul 9
Ohio:
Clinton 55
Obama 45
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McCain 61
Huck 33
Paul 6
Vermont:
Obama 59
Clinton 41
RI:
Obama 54
Clinton 46
Head Lines:
"Hillary, the second 'Clinton Come-Back Kid'. Super deligates stay on the sidelines"
"McCain's Official."
"
Posted by: ryan.crowley | March 4, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse
OH
Dems
Clinton 52
Obama 48
GOP
McCain 60
Huckabee 25
TX
Dems
Obama 53
Clinton 47
GOP
McCain 57
Huckabee 35
Dems Storyline: Obama takes VT in a landslide and RI and TX in squeakers; Clinton wins Ohio to keep from going 15-0 since Super Tuesday.
GOP Storyline: McCain officially takes the nomination; Huckabee drops out.
Posted by: xiibaro | March 4, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse
Texas: Obama 52%, Clinton 48% (Obama 60-40% in caucus)
Ohio: Obama 49%, Clinton 49%, 2% of ballots unreadable and in dispute, eventually leading to a tiny margin for Clinton, not called until Wednesday afternoon. Clinton campaign complains that this reflects a bias in the media in not calling the state for her early enough.
Vermont: Obama 60%, Clinton 40%.
Rhode Island: Obama 50.5%, Clinton 49.5% (the real surprise of the evening).
Obama wins the day's popular vote and increases his delegate lead. Clinton campaign continues to argue that the states that don't vote for her don't count and attempts to keep her campaign going to PA in hopes that Obama will spontaneously combust, but her heavy (and I mean heavy) losses March 8 and 11 signal the end, as the movement of superdelegates to Obama accelerates into an avalanche. Clinton campaign complains that she is the victim of a vast conspiracy of Americans to deny her the presidency, and then, in a moment of greatness, she graciously concedes to Obama somewhere between March 12 and 15. Clinton becomes Obama's Secretary of State, which position she uses to send Bill on many, many long goodwill trips abroad.
Posted by: hheyck | March 4, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse
Texas: Obama 52%, Clinton 48% (Obama 60-40% in caucus)
Ohio: Obama 49%, Clinton 49%, 2% of ballots unreadable and in dispute, eventually leading to a tiny margin for Clinton, not called until Wednesday afternoon. Clinton campaign complains that this reflects a bias in the media in not calling the state for her early enough.
Vermont: Obama 60%, Clinton 40%.
Rhode Island: Obama 50.5%, Clinton 49.5% (the real surprise of the evening).
Obama wins the day's popular vote and increases his delegate lead. Clinton campaign continues to argue that the states that don't vote for her don't count and attempts to keep her campaign going to PA in hopes that Obama will spontaneously combust, but her heavy (and I mean heavy) losses March 8 and 11 signal the end, as the movement of superdelegates to Obama accelerates into an avalanche. Clinton campaign complains that she is the victim of a vast conspiracy of Americans to deny her the presidency, and then, in a moment of greatness, she graciously concedes to Obama somewhere between March 12 and 15. Clinton becomes Obama's Secretary of State, which position she uses to send Bill on many, many long goodwill trips abroad.
Posted by: hheyck | March 4, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse
GOP
Texas
McCain - 59
Huckabee - 29
Ohio
McCain - 52
Huckabee - 42
Democrats
Texas
Obama - 58
Clinton - 40
Ohio
Obama - 50
Clinton - 47
"McCain captures majority of delegates; Huckabee admits race over."
"Obama huge Texas win and wins in Ohio and New England gives him commanding delegate lead. Clinton announces campaign strategy sessions for Wednesday. Schedules campaign announcement for Thursday."
Posted by: cferry3124 | March 4, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse
I haven't done a prediction yet, but I'm starting to go green over that T-shirt, so here goes:
Texas
Obama scores a decisive 54-46 win over Clinton.
Ohio
Clinton edges out Obama 51-49.
Vermont
Obama thrashes, as expected, 64-36.
Rhode Island
A tight tussle goes to Obama, thanks to young people putting him over the line 51-49.
Storyline: Clinton vows to press on after narrowly edging out Obama in the key state of Ohio, but Obama comfortably wins delegate count for the night. Key party officals (including Howard Dean) increase calls for Clinton to drop out and allow the Dems to focus on McCain.
Secondary storyline: McCain wins all states easily, meaning he is the nominee. Huckabee refuses to drop out saying that he still believes in miracles. Aides confirm he is praying for his opponent to be stricken with some sort of rare disease. Just like last week, nobody understands why Huckabee is carrying on. Probably not even Huckabee.
Tertiary storyline: The Fix beard makes a comeback, with promises for it not to be removed until Clinton drops out. Jonathan wins a magnificent T-shirt.
Posted by: jonathan.p.nicholls | March 4, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse
Texas:
Obama 52%
Clinton 47%
Ohio:
Clinton 50%
Obama 49%
Vermont:
Obama 63%
Clinton 36%
RI:
Obama 46%
Clinton 53%
Clinton: "I'm the comeback kid!" Obama still recieves more delegates. Democratic Party officals come out in mass for Obama hoping to end to race and focus on McCain. Suggestions are made to Senator Clinton to drop out. She vows to fight on... in the courts....
Posted by: aavrakot | March 4, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse
Note: I MAY have already submitted my predictions. I have yet to see them posted so because I really want one of those FIX T's I need to try again.
Dem Ohio
Obama: 47
Clinton: 49
Kucinich: 3
Dem Texas
Obama 52
Clinton 48
Storyline: Clinton claims victory; pressure to mount for her to step down now.
Repo Ohio
McCain: 58
Huckabee: 38
Paul: 4
Repo Texas
McCain: 61
Huckabee: 33
Paul: 6
McCain clinches nomination; enjoys watching the Dems bicker
Posted by: matt_ahrens | March 4, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse
Texas: Obama 53%, Clinton 47%
Ohio: Obama 52%, Clinon 48%
RI: Clinton 53%, Obama 47%
VT: Obama 61%, Clinton 37%, others 1%
Headline- Media declares Obama victory, pressure mounts on Clinton to concede for unity's sake, announcement made on Thursday.
Posted by: ProgRook | March 4, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse
Ohio - Clinton 53 - Obama 46
Rhode Island - Clinton 51 - Obama 49
Texas Primary - Clinton 49 - Obama 50
Texas Caucus - Clinton 42 - Obama 58
Vermont - Clinton 35 - Obama 64
Posted by: rmaltempo | March 4, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse
Ohio 54-44 Clinton
Texas 50-49 Obama
Obama cleans up on
delegates after the
pricaucus is all
said and done
Vermont 62-37 Obama
Rhode I. 51-49 Obama
Posted by: sghost75 | March 4, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Clinton 53
Obama 47
Texas
Obama 51
Clinton 49
RI:
Obama 55
Clinton 45
Vermont:
Obama 56
Clinton 44
Clinton drops out before Pennsylvania.
Posted by: jh1062 | March 4, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse
TX: Obama 54 Clinton 45 Other 1
OH: Clinton 51 Obama 48 Other 1
RI: Clinton 52 Obama 47 Other 1
VT: Obama 66 Clinton 33 Other 1
Headline: "Obama picks up net positive 15 delegates. Pressure builds on Hillary to concede."
Posted by: doctortodd | March 4, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Clinton 52% Obama 48%
Texas:
Obama 53% Clinton 47%
Vermont:
Obama 61% Clinton 39%
Rhode Island:
Clinton 53% Obama 47%
story: Clinton: momentum has shifted. Obama: delegate lead widened, Wyoming, and Missisippe "must wins" for Hillary
Posted by: sorenlerby | March 4, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse
Ohio-
Clinton 55
Obama 44
McCain 64
Huckabee 27
Paul 7
Texas
Clinton 48
Obama 47
McCain 58
Huckabee 31
Paul 8
Storyline - Media favors Hillary to sustain Democratic blood bath; McCain claims Republican spot.
Posted by: justme49 | March 4, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Clinton 52% Obama 48%
Texas:
Obama 51% Clinton 49%
Vermont:
Obama 61% Clinton 39%
Rhode Island:
Clinton 52% Obama 48%
Tuesday: Clinton Camp cites renewed strength and looks to PA. Team Obama claims victory via delegate count and calls for HRC to step aside.
Wednesday: Clinton and Huck "reflect" on Tuesdays result and once the math pans out, end respective bids.
Thursday: "HilHuck/HuckRC" announces their Third Party Joint-Candidacy to "give disenfranchised Democrats and Republicans a voice after the American electorate highjacked the Primary."
Posted by: larry.handerhan | March 4, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse
Why I will be better than the pollsters
Obama 52.2%
Hillary 47.8%
After rounding, the final result is:
Obama 52%
Hillary 48%
Zogby can't beat that!!!
Ohio
Obama 50.6%
Hillary 49.4%
After rounding, 51%-49% Obama victory
Hillary under pressure to drop out
Posted by: jr1886 | March 4, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse
These are for my son Paulie:
Texas:
Obama 53%
Clinton 47%
McCain 67%
Huckabee 29%
Ohio:
Clinton 61%
Obama 39%
McCain 74%
Huckabee 22%
My dad's prediction is wrong!
Posted by: johng1 | March 4, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse
Vermont:
Clinton 42
Obama 58
RI:
Clinton 53
Obama 47
Ohio:
Clinton 50
Obama 50
Texas:
Clinton 50
Obama 50
Posted by: 4perrin | March 4, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse
Texas:
Obama 51%
Clinton 48%
McCain 63%
Huckabee 32%
Ohio
Obama 49%
Clinton 51%
McCain 76%
Huckabee 21%
Obama delegate lead above 200! Hillary will not concede the race.
McCain crowned victor in the GOP, Huckabee says God has not decided yet.
The Fix is being investigated for vote rigging in these predictions.
Posted by: rollwood | March 4, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Obama 49%
Clinton 48%
Texas:
Obama 53%
Clinton 47%
"Obama is now the presumptive nominee"
Wednesday morning - a dozen superdelegates endorse Obama.
Posted by: fourhourelection | March 4, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse
The Founding Fathers were also against having a standing army and a king. They thought that a too-powerful executive would use a standing army to lead the country into unnecessary, expensive and futile foreign wars.
uh-oh...
Posted by: AdrickHenry | March 4, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse
Ohio: Obama 51% Clinton 49%
McCain 72% Huckabee 27% Paul 1%
Texas: Obama 53% Clinton 47%
McCain 67% Huckabee 30% Paul 2%
Democratic Story Line: With slim victories in Ohio & Texas, Sen. Obama claims a clear mandate from Democratic voters during his victory speech. He is gracious regarding Sen. Clinton, but has harsh words for Sen. McCain and looks expectantly towards opposing him in the general election.
Republican Story Line: Sen. McCain coasts easy victories in today's primaries in Ohio and Texas. With enough delegates to ensure himself of winning the Republican nomination for President, he is confident and poised as he criticizes the weaknesses of Sen. Obama.
Posted by: ChespeakeBay | March 4, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse
"I just don't understand this blind hatred/envy for/of the rich."
I just don't understand this baseless misrepresentation of others' posts.
Posted by: bsimon | March 4, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse
OHIO
Clinton - 52
Obama - 47
McCain - 57
Huckabee - 40
Paul - 3
TEXAS
Obama - 54
Clinton - 45
McCain - 55
Huckabee - 38
Paul - 7
VERMONT
Clinton - 51
Obama - 49
McCain - 63
Huckabee - 31
Paul - 6
RHODE ISLAND
Clinton - 56
Obama - 43
McCain - 67
Huckabee - 27
Paul - 6
Republicans - McCain confirmed to take on the unknown.
Democrats - Game On. Hillary wins 3 but Obama remains ahead.
Posted by: johnmccormack1 | March 4, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse
I just don't understand this blind hatred/envy for/of the rich.Posted by: USMC_Mike | March 4, 2008 03:36 PM
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If I remember correctly, the Founding Fathers of this country learned from history that inherited wealth was a danger to a democracy.
I'll see if I can find the appropriate references.
Posted by: wpost4112 | March 4, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Clinton 51
Obama 48
McCain 66
Huckabee 30
Paul 3
Other 1
Texas:
Obama 49.6
Clinton 49.5
McCain 61
Huckabee 35
Paul 3
Other 1
Headline: Don't Ever Write Off a Clinton! Pundits who wrote Hillary's obituary wrong AGAIN, she wins the battleground state of Ohio and vows to fight on in Keystone State. Huckabee Out, but no one cares.
Posted by: GoHuskies2004 | March 4, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse
usmc
Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have both come on CNBC and stated they were totally against your flat tax. Buffet even went on and told Becky Quick on CNBC that he thinks that it is unfair that he pays a lower effective tax rate than his secretary. He even made an offer to pay a million dollars to anyone who could prove that their middle class tax rate was lower than his. That challenge was made in November and no one has yet taken him up on it. I suppose that you will now want to lecture Gates and Buffet on bashing the affluent, what would they know about money and taxes. They are probably the 2 smartest people in this country.
Posted by: leichtman | March 4, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse
Republicans:
TEXAS: McCain 58%, Huckabee 42%
OHIO: McCain 63%, Huckabee 37%
Democrats:
TEXAS: Clinton 49%, Obama 48%
OHIO: Clinton 53%, Obama 47%
Headline: Hillary Three-Steps Her Way To Wins in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island as the Democratic Dance Marathon Heads to Pennsylvania; Huckabee Runs Out Steam (and Miracles) - McCain Captures The Crown
Posted by: aglasner | March 4, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse
Ohio Dem
Clinton: 53.5
Obama: 45.5
Ohio GOP
McCain: 64
Huckabee: 29
TX Dem
Clinton: 47
Obama: 52
TX GOP
McCain: 61
Huckabee: 33
Headline
Party to Clinton: Winning OH and RI was not enough
Posted by: gla4 | March 4, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse
Ohio
Hillary 54%
Obama 44%
Texas
Hillary 50%
Obama 47%, but Obama wins the most delagates
RI
Hillary 56-44
Vermont
Obama 62-38
Posted by: michael_j._worth | March 4, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse
I just don't understand this blind hatred/envy for/of the rich.Posted by: USMC_Mike | March 4, 2008 03:36 PM
I do not hate the rich--nor the hyper-rich. Nor any class really.
I feel sorry for the poor and destitute, and believe that the tax code should require that those that can afford more must pay more. Simple.
But I do admit to envy sometimes, though, and I bet you do too. :)
But I must admit that sometimes I do envy them.
Posted by: SMARTINSEN | March 4, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Clinton-54%
Obama-46%
Texas (Primary):
Clinton-49
Obama-51
Texas (Caucus)
Clinton- 46
Obama- 54
Vermont:
Clinton-36
Obama-64
Rhode Island:
Clinton-59
Obama- 41
The story:
Clinton soldiers on. Chris forced to listen to campaign conference calls for at least another month. Sad.
Posted by: pinkopatriot | March 4, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse
obviously, meant to write that Iraq's DOOR had been shut to the Iranians...
sorry for the typo
Posted by: AdrickHenry | March 4, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad became the 1st Iranian leader to visit Iraq since the 1979 Islamic Revolution.
Previously, Iraq's had been shut to the radical Shia Iranians.
No more...
Their influence grows.
Posted by: AdrickHenry | March 4, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse
OHIO:
Clinton (54%)
Obama (45%)
McCain (61%)
Huckabee (32%)
TEXAS:
Clinton (51%)
Obama (47%)
McCain (57%)
Huckabee (36%)
Clinton will stay in the race. I think she will also win Rhode Island (maybe with a 10% lead) and Obama will win Vermont (61% - 38%). McCain will have enough delegates to claim the nomination.
Posted by: nic.roxylife | March 4, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Clinton: 53 McCain: 64
Obama: 46 Huckabee: 26
Texas:
Clinton: 52 McCain: 60
Obama: 47 Huckabee: 31
Story lines
Dems:
Hillary: The voters of America have spoken and they are choosing me. We have won large state after large state and We will carry this mo' to Pennsylvania
Obama: HRC did not meet her necessary goal of evening the pledged delegate race and for the good of the country, should step down after this defeat.
Reps:
McCain: I am the nominee; I will put my experience to run the country and keep us safe from attack against Sens. Obama and clinton and win every time
Huckabee: To quote Jim Carey from Dumb & Dumber :So you're saying I still have a chance!"
Posted by: kepniss | March 4, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse
Headline: Clinton wins popular vote 3 out of 4; Obama's delegate lead remains unchanged; Superdelegates start to circle wagons around Obama.
Sub-Headline: Seen as desperate last-ditch attempt by Clinton campaign, Chelsea Clinton announces she has given birth to Obama's love child. Ms. Clinton said, "The baby looks a bit like Dennis Kucinich, except taller."
Posted by: egc52556 | March 4, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse
Ohio
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Clinton: 51
Obama: 48
Huckabee: 31
McCain: 59
Paul: 10
Rhode Island:
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Clinton: 47
Obama: 53
Huckabee: 31
McCain: 62
Paul: 7
Texas:
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Clinton: 48
Obama: 51
Huckabee: 37
McCain: 55
Paul: 8
Vermont:
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Clinton: 38
Obama: 62
Huckabee: 25
McCain: 69
Paul: 6
McCain crosses the line, Hucakbee drops out. Obama wins Texas, Clinton takes Ohio and looks ahead to Pennsylvania, doesn't drop out.
Posted by: mschmidt73 | March 4, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse
ps- YOU MIGHT BE A TOTAL DOUCHE...
...if your name is jacksmith1
Posted by: Stroodlepaloozaband | March 4, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse
Texas: Obama 50%, Clinton 46%
Ohio: Clinton 48%, Obama 46%
RI: Clinton 50%, Obama 43%
Vermont: Obama 60%, Clinton 38%
Headline Wednesday a.m.: Despite delegate deficiency, Hillary vows to solder on.
Headline Wednesday p.m.: Citing need for party unity to address healthcare and economic crises, Clinton drops out of race.
Posted by: jthayer | March 4, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse
Ohio: Clinton 49%, Obama 48%
Texas: Obama 52%, Clinton 47%
Print media headlines Wednesday morning:
Obama wins Texas, increases delegate lead by 25; Ohio still too close to call. Clinton huddling with advisors.
_______________
Obama wins Vermont by over 20%; Clinton wins Rhode Island by less than 5%.
____________
When the dust settles and Ohio manages to get the votes counted, Richardson, Edwards and many others endorse Obama. Clinton drops out on Thursday.
KST
Posted by: kitaylor | March 4, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse
Texas:
Obama 52
Clinton 48
Ohio:
Too close to call
Will favor Clinton in the coming days, but barely.
Storyline: Clinton is still in it.
Op-eds: ...although she SHOULD concede because, a., she's just hurting Obama at this point, and b., she's going to lose to McCain anyways.
Posted by: Stroodlepaloozaband | March 4, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse
GOP Texas: McCain 55% to Huckabee 36%
GOP Ohio: McCain 61% to Huckabee 32%
DEM Texas: Clinton 50% to Obama 49%
DEM Ohio: Clinton 53% to Obama 46%
GOP Headline: McCain crosses 1,191 mark - officially gaining the party nomination he has sought since 1999
DEM Headline: Clinton wins 3/4 states and stops Obama's momentum, but the delegate math still favors the latter; Obama shifts focus to Wyoming/Mississippi, while Clinton looks to Pennsylvania and the Super Delegates
Other Headline: Braveheartdc finally wins a sweet Fix t-shirt!
Posted by: braveheartdc | March 4, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse
SMARTINSEN,
Thanks for your comments. But I think you are off base on this. If you have one rate for all (say 32%), and give a 15 or 30k exemption, who do you think that exemption matters more to: a guy earning 50k a year or a guy earning 50 million a year. Ding! The guy who is earning 50k. He only pays taxes on the final 20k of his earnings. The exemption will matter almost none to the millionaire and he will be paying way more in taxes than he currently does because instead of a cushy 15% on dividends and capital gains, he would be paying the full boat. Again, the 32% is just a number to spark discussion.
Posted by: cbl-pdx | March 4, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse
"The problem with the flat tax is that the upper % of earners make obscene amounts of money, and they should be taxed even more heavily on it. They are robbing the everyday people and are destroying this country. And I am not talking about the person that makes a million or 1.5 million per year. Those that bring in 15 million, 20 million per year should be made to pay."
Jealousy is a poor substitute for logic.
Bill Gates has helped your life more than I can write in one day. And on top of that, he's generous.
I just don't understand this blind hatred/envy for/of the rich.
Posted by: USMC_Mike | March 4, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse
Sorry for the double post, I hit submit in the middle of cleaning up my thoughts.
The problem with the flat tax is that the upper % of earners make obscene amounts of money, and they should be taxed even more heavily on it. They are robbing the everyday people and are destroying this country. And I am not talking about the person that makes a million or 1.5 million per year. Those that bring in 15 million, 20 million per year should be made to pay.
30k or even 1000k exemptions are just so many peanuts to these people.
Do not overtax the well off, the wealthy or just your plain ole run of the mill millionaire, but tax the bejeebers out of those that are corrupting the financial systems and the manufacturing systems of this country with their filthy obscene multi multi millions billions. The wealth imbalance in this country along with our now seemingly insurmountable debt is a tremendously serious problem for this country that will spell our downfall if we do not address it before it is too late.
Posted by: SMARTINSEN | March 4, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse
Ohio - Clinton 55, Obama 44
Texas - Clinton 51, Obama 48
Story line will involve Clinton's claim continued assertion that she is still in the race despite an overall delegate loss or split in Texas.
Polls indicating Obama leads within the margin of error in Texas will be shown to have underrepresented the female electorate (the most prominent polls I saw based their numbers around 53%). The actual number will be more like 55-59%. Clinton's big lead among women will just be enough for her to claim, but mathematically she becomes more of a long shot. Some Super Delegates may remain loyal but a good number may start to jump ship.
A couple of wins for Clinton, but not what she needs.
Posted by: dford525 | March 4, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse
"Hey, I got drindl and USMC_Mike to agree on something, that must be a first."
Nicely done.
"I'd love for you to point out the flaws in my idea instead of name calling."
(I can't help it)
A liberal being savaged by another liberal, rather than arguing ideas. I LOVE IT!
Posted by: USMC_Mike | March 4, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse
Ohio-
Clinton 53
Obama 47
McCain 66
Huckabee 26
Paul 6
Texas
Clinton 53
Obama 47
McCain 64
Huckabee 29
Paul 7
Obama gets more delegates in Texas because black votes generally count more then other votes because their districts vote democratic more then other districts and therefore are allocated more delegates. Lawsuit time for sure. I don't expect Hillary to quit unless she loses both states. Remember Florida and Michigan? She does. It's all about delegates and the super delegates really don't vote until the convention. Obama wants it over but it ain't going to happen unless he sweeps both big states. Clinton finally has the press going after Obama. It won't be pretty but it will be fun. See you at the convention.
Posted by: pg1923 | March 4, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse
Hey, I got drindl and USMC_Mike to agree on something, that must be a first. I think when you approach problems as problems instead of as a chance for partisan warfare, things can get done. My idea is far from perfect, but it is something to talk about and build a coalition on.
Hey bondjedi, why such name calling? I'm a liberal dem, but a good idea is a good idea. My idea would shift much of the burden back on the rich, not the middle class, because under the current rules whoever has the best accountant wins.
This is any idea that is fair and understandable. And exempting the first 15k or 30k from taxes (details negortiable), then the middle class wins also.
For instance, if you make 50k a year and have a family, in my basic sketch, you would only pay taxes on the final 20k of earnings. How exactly does that hurt the middle class? I'd love for you to point out the flaws in my idea instead of name calling.
Posted by: cbl-pdx | March 4, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Clinton, 52%
Obama, 47%
other, 1%
McCain, 67%
Huckabee, 32%
Other, 1%
Texas:
Obama, 53%
Clinton, 46%
Other, 1%
McCain, 67%
Huckabee, 32%
Other, 1%
VT:
Obama, 70%
Clinton, 27%
Other, 3%
McCain, 75%
Huckabee, 23%
Other, 2%
RI:
Obama, 51%
Clinton, 48%
Other, 2%
McCain, 67%
Huckabee, 30%
Other, 3%
Headline: "MCain Clinches Nomination; Obama widens gap; Pressure on Clinton to concede intensifies."
Posted by: joewmaine | March 4, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse
OHIO
Dem: CLINTON 54% Obama 45%
Rep: MCCAIN 67% Huckabee 18%
TEXAS
Dem: CLINTON 51% Obama 48%
Rep: MCCAIN 62% Huckabee 27%
Posted by: heszy | March 4, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse
'Clinton campaign claims "buyers remorse" because Obama did not get every single available vote. HRC vows to soldier on until bitter end, initiates lawsuits in TX and OH and Washington DC against the Washington Post for alleged media bias in the Fix's coverage. SNL hurriedly attempts to find a stand-in for Chris Cillizza. '
Nicely done.
Posted by: USMC_Mike | March 4, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse
Here it is:
Ohio
Clinton 51
Obama 49
Texas
Clinton 47
Obama 53
RI
Clinton 52
Obama 48
VT
Obama 64
Clinton 37
But---Obama runs away with the delegate total.
Posted by: johnh | March 4, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse
Ohio: Obama 53.6%
Clinton 49.6%
Texas: Obama 55.8%
Clinton 42.8%
Clinton campaign claims "buyers remorse" because Obama did not get every single available vote. HRC vows to soldier on until bitter end, initiates lawsuits in TX and OH and Washington DC against the Washington Post for alleged media bias in the Fix's coverage. SNL hurriedly attempts to find a stand-in for Chris Cillizza.
Posted by: judgeccrater | March 4, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Clinton -- 54%
Obama -- 42%
McCain -- 61%
Huckabee -- 32%
Paul -- 5%
Texas:
Clinton -- 52%
Obama -- 44%
McCain -- 59%
Huckabee -- 35%
Paul -- 4%
Storyline: Clinton turns the ship around. Was it the 3-a.m.-phone-call ad? NAFTA? The Kenyan/Muslim-garb photo? McCain all but wraps up the Republican nomination. Huckabee just can't get traction at this late date.
Posted by: paulalgire | March 4, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse
Texas
Clinton 50
Obama 47
McCain 54
Huckabee 36
Ohio
Clinton 54
Obama 46
Mccain 55
Huckabee 30
Republican Headline: McCain just misses clinching nomination.
Democratic Headline: All eyes on superdelegates. Clinton says popular vote winner must be nominee. Obama says pledged-delegate winner must be nominee. Convention fight likely.
Posted by: javamud | March 4, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse
wpost: the unfair tax has many problems. 1. According to paul Krugman it will double the effective tax rate for those paying at the 15% marginal rate
2. Its a regressive tax that hurts the middle class and actually young people who are more likely to be buying items like refrig, washing machines etc since its a consumption tax.
3. It will destroy the value of your home because it calls for paying the so called fair tax rate when you buy a home effectively increasing the cost to buy your home by 30% especially bad for Ca and Fla homebuyers. It would illiminate the home interest deduction which if you itemize allows you to deduct the interest paid on your mtg another hit to the already declining home market. The cumulative effect of this tax would crush our already struggling economy, but primarily would impact realtors, mtg lenders, home construction wrkers, home furnishing companies and large hardware stores like home depot and likely put many out of business. Can not think of a worst idea at the absolute worst economic time.
Posted by: leichtman | March 4, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Obama 42%
Clinton 58%
McCain 61%
Huckabee 30%
Paul 9%
Texas
Obama 49%
Clinton 51%
McCain 59%
Huckabee 33%
Paul 8%
Vermont:
Obama: 64%
Clinton: 38%
McCain: 73%
Huckabee: 17%
Paul: 10%
RI:
Obama: 42%
Clinton: 58%
McCain: 65%
Huckabee: 25%
Paul: 10%
Posted by: gambitpsu-wp | March 4, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse
Rhode Island:
Clinton - 52.6
Obama - 44.7
Vermont:
Obama - 58.3
Clinton - 39.2
Ohio:
Clinton - 51.8
Obama - 47.6
Texas:
Obama - 51.3
Clinton - 47.0
Headline: "Clinton Answers the Call...By Assaulting Alleged Media Bias"
Posted by: dholt301 | March 4, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse
More reports of vote switching by Republicans in Dallas
http://trailblazers.beloblog.com/
Prediction for delegate count in TX (regardless of popular count) from San Antonio Express (3rd largest paper in TX, I think)
http://blogs.chron.com/texaspolitics/archives/2008/03/the_speculation.html
Posted by: e2holmes | March 4, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse
ohio
clinton 50,
obama 49.5
Mccain 67
Huckster 25
Tx
Obama 54
clinton 42.3
Mccain 74
huckster 25
storyline
Clinton Bows out by 2am wednesday
surprising everybody
Mccain checkmates huckabee, in victory speech attacks only obama
{Un less Hillary heads to pittsburg and doesnt mention her losses
Posted by: pvogel88 | March 4, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse
Ohio-
Clinton 54
Obama 45
McCain 60
Huckabee 31
Paul 7
Texas
Obama 51
Clinton 49
McCain 59
Huckabee 33
Paul 7
Storyline
Obama wins Texas by the skin of his teeth but Clinton gets big win in Ohio so she can claim að bit of að momentum and keeps on until Pennsylvania. And it´s all over in the GOP race though Huckabee gets better numbers than expected.
Posted by: rabja | March 4, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse
Clinton wins Ohio 51-49, Obama wins Texas 52-48, Obama wins Vermont 61-39, Clinton wins Rhode Island 53-47. Clinton continiues on in the primary campaign.
McCain wins Ohio 56-40, Texas 55-43, Vermont 70-25, Rhode Island 58-38. McCain wraps up the GOP nomination.
Posted by: chris-gans | March 4, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse
Hillary wins Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island... on to Pennsylvania. Texas is close.
Wrangling starts over Florida and Michigan issues, as well as superdelegate issues.
Hillary wins Pennsylvania overwhelming.
Clinton-Obama ticket forms in mid to late May.
Posted by: WillNewYork | March 4, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse
Tonights results are not the headlines.
The next two weeks will create the headlines, and most assuredly before the PA primary. The superdelegates will begin to announce their preferences for BHO. HRC will announce that for the good of the party to get the best chances for November against the Republicans blah blah blah, she is bowing out and will campaign activley for BHO.
This will save her political honor and career, and will assure her continued influence .
All of this will happen within the the next 3 weeks.
Except for the part where she becomes speaker of the Senate after the election. If BHO looses to McCain (doubtful, but you never know with GWB sabre rattling at Chavez) she will run again in 2012 this time securing the nomination as well as the presidency.
She will not be the VP candidate.
Posted by: SMARTINSEN | March 4, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse
texas
clinton 48
obama 47
mccain 56
huckabee 34
ohio
clinton 50
obama 44
mccain 60
huckabee 30
early registration deadline hinders obama's efforts to turn out new voters in ohio. clinton claims that her win in ohio, the general election's most important swing state, casts doubt on obama's frontrunner status. obama's campaign will continue to argue that she simply cannot close the delegate gap and whisper that she ought to consider dropping out. they will also point out that each state was supposed to have been a lock for clinton.
huckabee will most likely call it quits, having been adequately introduced to enough voters to bolster his standing as a potential veep pick.
Posted by: certop | March 4, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse
Ohio-
Clinton 48%
Obama 49%
McCain 66%
Huckabee 27%
Paul 7%
Texas
Obama 52%
Clinton 48%
McCain 50%
Huckabee 40%
Paul 10%
Posted by: spenceradams | March 4, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse
You can't do that. It would put too many accountants out of work.
Heh. My BA is in Accounting, and many of my friends are CPA's.
I would be willing for them to find a new job, and my degree to be worth half as much, if we could get this done.
I don't think paying taxes should require a CPA.
Posted by: USMC_Mike | March 4, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse
"The solution I would prefer is a flat tax on all income (labor, capital gains, interest and divideds) with no caps, no loopholes. To make it progressive, I would exempt the first 15k for a single, 30k for a family, from any taxes."
I noticed you say this come from Newt, the sort of neo-con twit who got us involved in the Iraq quagmire that makes the 30k of today the 20k of ten years ago. All your "progressive" tax plan does is shift the burden from the rich AND poor on to the middle class.
Why do you support the rich and Newt, when they so obviously don't give a damn about you? Gingrich came up with his "Contract on America," and the Clintons were like deer in the headlights in the face of the neo-con bombast. Thank God they're all going out the door.
Posted by: bondjedi | March 4, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse
"What's the argument against ending the income tax and using the fair (consumption) tax?
Or is it all about the tax preparers/accountant lobby?"
While that lobby is certainly huge,
Some feel it isn't economically tenable, at 27%. They say it's more like 36%.
Also, the mortgage interest deduction.
Posted by: USMC_Mike | March 4, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse
why not the 'fair tax'? because it isn't.
'I hope move to Europe where you wake up to Islamic prayer every morning for the rest of your life.'
read a little about islam [not Saudi wahhibism] and educate yourself -- you're a bigot.
i don't know how anyone can revile prayer to God.
Posted by: drindl | March 4, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse
"The solution I would prefer is a flat tax on all income (labor, capital gains, interest and divideds) with no caps, no loopholes. To make it progressive, I would exempt the first 15k for a single, 30k for a family, from any taxes."
You can't do that. It would put too many accountants out of work.
Posted by: bsimon | March 4, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse
Tonights results are not the headlines.
The next two weeks will create the headlines, and most assuredly before the PA primary. The superdelegates will begin to announce their preferences for BHO. HRC will announce that for the good of the party to get the best chances for November against the Republicans blah blah blah, she is bowing out and will campaign activley for BHO.
This will save her political honor and will assure her continued influence .
All of this (except for the part where she becomes speaker of the Senate after the election. If BHO looses to McCain (doubtful but you never know whith GWB sabre rattling at Chavez) she will run agian in 1012) will happen within the the next 3 weeks.
She will not be the VP candidate.
Posted by: SMARTINSEN | March 4, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse
'The solution I would prefer is a flat tax on all income (labor, capital gains, interest and divideds) with no caps, no loopholes. To make it progressive, I would exempt the first 15k for a single, 30k for a family, from any taxes.'
i agree on this too.
Posted by: drindl | March 4, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse
Here are my predictions:
Vermont:
Obama: 65%
Clinton: 35%
Rhode Island:
Obama: 48%
Clinton: 52%
Ohio:
Obama: 49%
Clinton: 51%
Texas:
Obama: 54%
Clinton: 46%
Headline: Deciding time for Democratic party superdelegates.
Posted by: JohnTEQP | March 4, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse
so far it looks like heavy but not overwhelming turn-out in Ohio...
Cleveland: http://www.newsnet5.com/news/15483872/detail.html
Cincinnati reporting higher turnout and much higher party switching: Republican to Democrat
http://www.wlwt.com/video/15487008/index.html
Not much live coverage or blogging that I could find on the turn-out. This was very different from Seattle where the major papers had set up comment sections and many people were sending in comments and pictures of the huge turn-out.
Posted by: e2holmes | March 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse
Texas:
Clinton 51%
Obama 49%
McCain 62%
Huckabee 33%
Ohio:
Clinton 55%
Obama 44%
McCain 74%
Huckabee 22%
White women over 40 have simultaneous hot flash rage against the Obama machine!
Posted by: johng1 | March 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse
Texas
Obama: 53%
Clinton: 47%
McCain: 68%
Huckabee: 26%
Ohio
Obama: 49%
Clinton: 48%
McCain: 70%
Huckabee: 25%
Vermont:
Obama: 65%
Clinton: 32%
McCain: 72%
Huckabee: 22%
Rhode Island
Clinton: 51%
Obama: 45%
McCain: 75%
Huckabee: 19%
Posted by: MikeReynard | March 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse
What's the argument against ending the income tax and using the fair (consumption) tax?
Or is it all about the tax preparers/accountant lobby?
Posted by: wpost4112 | March 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse
I was way wrong last time I did this regarding NH but here goes:
Texas:
Obama: 51%
Clinton 49%
McCain: 51%
Huckabee: 42%
Paul:7%
Ohio:
Obama: 50%
Clinton: 46%
Edwards: 3%
McCain: 70%
Huckabee: 20%
Paul: 5%
Vermont:
Obama: 68%
Clinton: 42%
McCain: 75%
Huckabee: 14%
Paul: 11%
RI
Clinton: 54%
Obama: 45%
McCain: 80%
Huckabee: 20%
Hillary demands recount, may challenge Texas Democratic Primary rules.
Posted by: maddymappo | March 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse
The solution I would prefer is a flat tax on all income (labor, capital gains, interest and divideds) with no caps, no loopholes. To make it progressive, I would exempt the first 15k for a single, 30k for a family, from any taxes.
I actually think that would be a fine solution.
You have just suggested a Republican idea (championed by Newt).
I could also support a fair tax.
Either way, I don't think the poorest should pay anything. And I also don't think the rich should pay it all.
So, it seems, you and I agree.
Posted by: USMC_Mike | March 4, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse
Prediction #1: Obama wins RI & VT but loses both Texas and Ohio in extremely close races (like so close that no one will call either of those states tonight). Clinton can claim victory in all the "big" states so far even though her margin wasn't significant and Obama maintained a sizable delegate lead. She vows to stay in, partly b/c of her wins, partly based upon her recent attacks on Obama's readiness to be president (3 am/red phone ad, press in love with him, and Rezko, to a lesser extent b/c let's face it, her hands aren't clean).
Prediction #2:
Obama wins RI & VT & TX (TX is very close). Clinton wins Ohio. Her win is not as narrow as his but is by no means significant. There is pressure for her to get out of the race. However, she uses the win in Ohio and the fact that the media are just now starting to investigate Obama as they should have months ago in order to justify staying in the race.
*The only scenario in which she leaves the race is if she gets beaten soundly in either Ohio or Texas. One win -- even by a hair -- will be enough for her to stay in. PA is also good for her...as is the superdelegate system.
Posted by: billyc123 | March 4, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse
Republicans:
Ohio
60% McCain
32% Huckabee
6% Paul
2% Other
Texas
63% McCain
27% Huckabee
8% Paul
2% Other
Storyline
"McCain clinches nomination while Huckabee bows out and endorses McCain in a rip-roaring speech. Huckabee for VP speculation gears up."
Democrats
Ohio
49.8% Clinton
49.3% Obama
0.9% Other
Texas
50% Clinton
49% Obama
1% Other
Storyline
"Clinton pulls off the narrowest victories to stay alive. Scrutiny turns onto Obama while questions remain whether Clinton won by enough as Wyoming and Mississippi have Obama leads."
Posted by: mustafa.hirji | March 4, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse
USMC_Mike:
Funny how you jump to that conclusion but do not refute my basic point. You could try to stop Congress (Dems and Repubs) from raiding Social security, but good luck with that.
The solution I would prefer is a flat tax on all income (labor, capital gains, interest and divideds) with no caps, no loopholes. To make it progressive, I would exempt the first 15k for a single, 30k for a family, from any taxes.
I'd love to hear what the Repubs would do, but they just talk about cutting taxes with no concern for how we should pay for things (and I do believe they have bought into the bogus trickle-down theory).
You guys controlled everything for five years and did nothing but more giveaways to the very rich. You could have cut spending, fixed the tax code, acted like fiscal conservatives. But your guys did nothing but dig a big hole in our national finances. If you're gonna talk the talk, you gotta walk the walk.
At least the Dems make an honest argument (ie. raise taxes and spending). The GOP just says have your cake and eat it too (ie. cut taxes and raise spending).
Posted by: cbl-pdx | March 4, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse
wpost4112 -- keep the attacks on Christianity coming.
I hope move to Europe where you wake up to Islamic prayer every morning for the rest of your life.
Posted by: USMC_Mike | March 4, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse
Ohio:
Clinton 53%, Obama 47%
McCain 60%, Huckabee 35%, Paul 5%
Texas:
Clinton 51%, Obama 49%
McCain 54%, Huckabee 36%, Paul 10%
Rhode Island:
Clinton 54%, Obama 46%
Vermont:
Obama 57%, Clinton 43%
Posted by: parker.novak | March 4, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse
Thinkwe - you are such a mixer. You LOVE to stir things up, don't you.
"
HILLARY CLINTON
LEADERSHIP ON DAY ONE
SECURITY AT 3AM
BARACK OBAMA
ON THE JOB TRAINING & FOURTEEN MONTHS BEFORE A MEETING??
CHAOS AT 3AM
Posted by: Thinker | March 4, 2008 11:46 AM
Yeah, Hillary at 3 AM is going to think better on her feet than Barack Obama. Sure, I believe that. When asked what National Security experiece Hillary had to claim she would be better for POTUS, her own campaign HAD NO ANSWER! I heard the press conference call - there was silent for about a full minute when the question was asked.
Clinton's campaighn people are back-biting and ego driven and it is OBVIOUS that they had "no exit stratgey."
The Obama campaign is said to be one of the best run organizations ever put together; and they follow the lead of Obama. Even experienced leaders like Tom Daschle are amazed by the unity and strength or the organization.
Wouldn't it be nice to have a country run like that?
THINK about it.
Posted by: sheridan1 | March 4, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse
Texas:
Clinton 49
Obama 48
Ohio:
Clinton 52
Obama 47
Vermont:
Obama 56
Clinton 43
Rhode Island:
Clinton 53
Obama 46
Posted by: AlaninMissoula | March 4, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse
in other news:
JERUSALEM (AFP) - High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.
Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.
"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.
Someone tell Huck.
Posted by: wpost4112 | March 4, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse
OHIO
Clinton 52%
Obama 48
TEXAS
Obama 51%
Clinton 49%
VERMONT
Obama 72%
Clinton 26%
RHODE ISLAND
Obama 52%
Clinton 48%
Posted by: WriteKing | March 4, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse
Obama wins Texas 53%-47%
Obama wins Ohio 52%-48%
I've never known a pollster yet who got it right in the black community. They use previous race statistical models, and those won't work in the current environment. No spin. It's over.
Posted by: uspbaldwin | March 4, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse
Vermont
Obama 71%
Clinton 28%
Rhode Island
Clinton 58%
Obama 41%
Ohio
Clinton 56%
Obama 40%
Edwards 4%
Texas
Obama 52%
Clinton 47%
Hillary claims moral vistory and focuses on Pennsylvania. Edwards endorses Clinton. Obama redoubles effort and goes hard negative.
Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 4, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse
Dems:
TX (primary) - Obama 50, Clinton 49
OH - Clinton 54, Obama 45
(and for what it's worth...)
RI - Clinton 54, Obama 45
VT - Obama 64, Clinton 35
GOP:
TX - McCain 57, Huckabee 35, Paul 6
OH - McCain 62, Huckabee 29, Paul 6
Storylines:
A narrow primary loss and large caucus loss in Texas overshadows Clinton's strong showing in Ohio. When the delegates are finally tallied, it's a wash. Clinton may have dented Obama's warm, fuzzy image, but his delegate lead remains unscathed. Oh, and remember Mike Huckabee? Yeah, me neither, which is why he finally decides to drop out.
Posted by: faberman.jason | March 4, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse
OH Clinton 52/ Obama 47
TX Clinton 51/Obama 48 (but he gets more delegates in the caucus)
RI Clinton 54/Obama 45
VT Obama 49/Clinton 46
Pundits and reporters shake their heads ruefully and intone things like "It ain't over!" and "On to Pennsylvania - and perhaps Denver!" They are simultaneously thrilled and exasperated at the thought of it.
OH McCain 61/Huck 25/Paul 8
TX McCain 54/Huck 31/Paul 10
VT McCain 77/Paul 12/Huck 10
RI McCain 72/Huck 15/Paul 8
McCain locking up nomination is virtually ignored, except for discussion of which Dem is a better match-up with him.
Posted by: billmcg | March 4, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse
"That has to be the most economically illiterate thing I've ever read."
Stick around long enough, and KingofKooks will top that. Hell, he drops something dumber on a daily basis.
Posted by: bondjedi | March 4, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse
the real view from Houston:
Texas:
H.C. 52.2
B.O. 47.8
Ohio
H.C.54.5
B.O.45.5
Posted by: leichtman | March 4, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse
"This is, in effect, an extra tax on the poor and middle class."
So, by virtue of the government's habit of raiding SS, we ought to change our taxation laws (and pay more, to compensate).
Great logic.
Posted by: USMC_Mike | March 4, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse
On abortion and Roe v. Wade...
In 1999, McCain said that he would not support overturning Roe v. Wafe "int he sort term, or even the long term," because that would "force X number of women in America" to undergo "illegal and dangerous operations."
Today, McCain has campaigned on overturning Roe v. Wade.
On his revisionist history regarding Donald Rumsfeld...
In 2004, McCain refused to call for Rumsfeld's resignation, saying that Bush "can have the team around him that he wants around him." In 2006, retired generals called for Rumseld's resignation, but McCain did not.
Now, while running for president, McCain has claimed that "I'm the only one that said that Rumsfeld had to go." The article notes that "[t]he campaign has since acknowledged that Mr. McCain was incorrect, and more recently the senator has stopped short of claiming he called for the defense secretary's ouster."
On torture...
McCain has traditionally been against torture, citing his experience as a POW for his decision.
Now, McCain voted last month "against a bill that would require the Central Intelligence Agency to abide by the restrictions on interrogating prisoners outlined in the Army Field Manual."
Posted by: drindl | March 4
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Another comment on tomorrow's headlines - Obama spins HUGE victory in Texas to show that Hillary is weak on her own turf. Clinton's supposed deep ties to Texas isn't enough to overcome the movement that is Obama's campaign.