Obama's efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.

The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten's of billions.

Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports.

Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats.

Two years ago, Iraq's Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin "Tony" Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON --
Recently, Obama's campaign staff have been vetted by the IRS to disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges -- Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and disclose Obama's MUSLIM Farrakhan mob connection to Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Its minister, and Obama's spiritual adviser, is the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. In 1982, the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Every year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness." That man is Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church are trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. Obama should stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke "GLORK" Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He is MAD!!! --

OBAM YOU'RE NO JFK --

"GLORK" Obama looks like Alfred E. Newman: "Tales Calculated To Drive You." He is a MUSLIM "Glork" He's MAD!!! Alfred E. Neuman is the fictional mascot of Mad. The face had drifted through American pictography for decades before being claimed by Mad editor Harvey Kurtzman after he spotted it on the bulletin board in the office of Ballantine Books editor Bernard Shir-Cliff, later a contributor to various magazines created by Kurtzman.
Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek.

Michelle Obama should be ashamed.

"GLORK" Michelle Obama should be ashamed of her separatist-racist connection to Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. If Michelle Obama new what her husband -- the Hope-A-Dope, Fonster Monster -- Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama did in Harlem, she would wash her wide-open, Hus-suey loving MUSILM mouth out, with twenty-four (24) mule-team double-cross X-boX-BorraX. He is a MUSLIM "Glork" It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He's MAD!!!

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

THE SPEECH --

The Apologia has arrived and once again the self-indicting, separatist-racist Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama, promises to heal the wounds of the world. The speech is the rude awakening of mass messianism of his campaign. Apologetically, Obama the MUSLIM double-cross X-boX-BorraX has an astonishingly empty two-prawn echelon explanation of his misjudgment.
In the first prawn: with regard to his connection to separatist-racist Rev. Wright; Obama summons voodoo and juju to express slavery as beginning and ending with the Rev. Wright.
In the second prawn: Obama's speech takes credit for Ashley's dream. A dream of unity Martin Luther King, Jr. borrowed from Ashley for his historic "I Have A Dream" speech. In Obama's speech, the connective bond Ashley, the elderly black man and Obama's grandmother share; represents Obama's self-indicting rise to the Harvard Yard. For Obama, the grand flag of language is the semi-fore of words, bestowed upon our nation by the messiah-alumni from Harvard. Obama's Swoon-Song Apologia to the nation represents a failed hymn -- a hymn that fails to heal the nation, repair the world, or make this time different than all the rest. Obama's speech is a brilliant failure.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

OH YAY - let's do talk about Hillary's Bible Study Group (now this woman has some 'splaining to do....after McCain steps up next week to discuss his two guys.
But in the meantime, I do not understand why the 17 million dollar lawsuit.....Peter Paul vs. Clinton....is a very sleepy story! Did you know that the next hearing is April 25th - that would be three days after the Pennsylvania primary. Tricky little devils:) That's kind of like Nafta after Ohio. But the following is serious & it needs to get into the press:
Clinton camp says this .....Clinton camp says that!
This is what I'd like to have the Clinton camp answer to:
The fact that THREE days after the PA primary, they head to court
for their 17million dollar Peter Paul vs. Clinton Trial re: campaign
fraud. Clintons - please speak about this:
"Another Hillary SECRETHere's an update on the Peter Paul vs. Clintons lawsuit:
Link
DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. Go to Link (Los Angeles Superior Court) and look in the CIVIL Column, then Click on CASE SUMMARIES then enter these numbers in the box BC304174. It is an active case and has been since January. Sen. Clinton he has not disclosed it. Even after bringing up Rezko and calling Sen. Obama "Ken Starr". I think, before we go any further, she needs to disclose this.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n ews/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=494 78

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =lPgC0-0bY0Q
utube has parts 1 and 2.
WHY IS THE PRESS KEEPING THIS QUIET?????

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The Politico: Clinton has "virtually no chance at winning"

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

"One big fact has largely been lost in the recent coverage of the Democratic presidential race: Hillary Rodham Clinton has virtually no chance of winning.

Her own campaign acknowledges there is no way that she will finish ahead in pledged delegates. That means the only way she wins is if Democratic superdelegates are ready to risk a backlash of historic proportions from the party's most reliable constituency.

Unless Clinton is able to at least win the primary popular vote -- which also would take nothing less than an electoral miracle -- and use that achievement to pressure superdelegates, she has only one scenario for victory. An African-American opponent and his backers would be told that, even though he won the contest with voters, the prize is going to someone else.

People who think that scenario is even remotely likely are living on another planet.

As it happens, many people inside Clinton's campaign live right here on Earth. One important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has no more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama, an appraisal that was echoed by other operatives.

In other words: The notion of the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of make-believe."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

Here is a Gem of a story about these All Too Fun Clinton Papers:

The Clinton Legacy of Lies Continues

Hmmmm ....

flarfan, if you haven't noticed, MSNBC and especially Keith Olberman have turned into a 24 hr Obama News Network, so its surprising that you would question their bias in favor of Sen Obama. Sorry if I lumped you in with the other Obama supporters who have posted some pretty hateful and totally inappropraite comments about the Clintons who are not the devil, or evil, despite protestations from some of their more zealous critics here. You sir do have class and I ask that other Obama supporters here follow you lead.

Posted by: leichtman | March 21, 2008 10:23 AM

Thank you for the apology. Yes, we have MSNBC as pro-Obama, though I don't watch much beyond Hardball and Olbermann occasionally, but we also have CNN (known for many years as the Clinton News Network), and Faux News (fair n' balinst on the neo-con side), and the much more influential dead tree media; but has anyone in the MSM placed the sermon snippets in an accurate context and treated their news consumers as adults rather than ADD-hampered sound bite lovers? If so, I haven't seen or heard of it.

And I am not connected with any campaign. I'm just sitting at my computer at my home in Florida, getting more and more angry at what I see happening in this country. I listen to Limbaugh and Hannity for at least a few minutes most every day. I am a registered independent with libertarian leanings, and I have not voted for a demopublican or republicrat presidential candidate since 1988. I like Obama and would vote for him. I don't like the Clintons or McBush, but I don't hate them or anyone. I do intensely dislike those with an audience of sheeple who keep telling the Big Lie, primarily because it does in fact reek of McCarthyism to me. I would like to see Obama and HRC take on these real haters together, because I think it would serve both their long-term interests. Maybe Olberman, who considers himself the new Murrow, could actually put that "Good night and good luck" sig line of his to good use. Joseph Welch's quote resonates with me, but I despair to think I'm the only one who sees the parallel.

flarfan, if you haven't noticed, MSNBC and especially Keith Olberman have turned into a 24 hr Obama News Network, so its surprising that you would question their bias in favor of Sen Obama. Sorry if I lumped you in with the other Obama supporters who have posted some pretty hateful and totally inappropraite comments about the Clintons who are not the devil, or evil, despite protestations from some of their more zealous critics here. You sir do have class and I ask that other Obama supporters here follow you lead.

maybe you just want to paw through her panty drawer, CC..

'A few more details about the Obama passport breach. According to a new piece out in the Post from Glenn Kessler, the breaches occurred Jan. 9th, Feb. 21st and March 14th.

That would be the day after the New Hampshire primary, the day of the Democratic debate in Texas and the day the Wright story really hit. '

But Lawrence Eagleburger, who works for McCain's campaign, says it's 'clearly not political' -- 'just keep walking folks, nothing to look at here.' whereas the Hillary camp is demanding a full investigation, so what does that tell you?

I see the Hillary Haters are up early today. . . . Go ahead and yell to your choir. What you have managed to do logan,flarfan,wpost, pookie and bsimon by calling her a feminazi(a Coulter type comment), attacking Chelsea, and her association with Reverend Jim Wallace and Reverend Ted Strickland with prayer, is to make folks like me who might otherwise consider supporting Sen Obama if he gains the nomination less likely to do in Nov.
Posted by: leichtman | March 21, 2008 08:46 AM

Where have I hated on anyone? I'm just a white middle-aged southerner who grew up around friends who used the N-word, who knows something about McCarthyism, and who sees parallels with the current GOP-inspired smear campaign of guilt by association and character assassination. I just pointed out above that the Clintons recognized that Rev. Wright is a mainstream AA cleric and not some crazed fringe lunatic racist hatemonger, as the GOP neo-cons want the sheeple to believe. Until the MSM gives us a fair and balanced picture of Rev. Wright, I suppose I will have to continue searching for someone with guts and courage to speak out and say "You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

In case you are interesedt:

paul94611 wrote:
There are some amazing aspects to this story.
First the Counselor Affairs Department is THE place at the State Department that interfaces with every aspect of the military, law enforcement & intelligence communities.
When a person of interest, be it a politician, major business person or a person of questionable character travels out of the country often their activities are tracked and reported by this department at the request of or another agency and shared with other interested agencies.
In other words, it is much much more than a place where passport applications are kept.
Another interesting tidbit in this matter is the supervisor that reviewed and pronounced the violations "simply curious" is Maura Harty.
Maura retired at the end of February 2008 at the age of 49 form her position as assistant secretary of state of consular affairs.
Prior to that assignment she served from 1997-1999 as Ambassador to Paraguay after being nominated by President Bill Clinton.
Of note there are protocols for situations like this one. The supervisor is not empowered to make the determination as to the reasoning of potential violations of the Privacy Act. That authority rests with the IG. According to reports from the state department the IG only became aware of this situation yesterday afternoon.
Also according to state, there are safe guards in place to notify officials when unauthorized access of records occurs so that the proper officials are notified. This failed to happen on three separate occasions as, according to state the IG only found out yesterday.
Finally, determination that a violation of law rather than of policy occurred can only be made if there were other people informed of information contained in the Obama file by those that did the snooping.

We will have to wait and see where this take us.
One thing is clear. This is no simple peek at Barack Obama's photo or other such nonsense.
These folks were accessing the very system that contains information concerning most every aspect of his overseas travels from the time he was 6 until the present.
For folks that may been attempting to dig up dirt on him, especially those that may have overseas dirt in their histories this would be a place that they would want to look.
We can rest assured that every statement from folks out there that are in any way connected to information in his file and the dates of the unauthorized access will be looked at very closely indeed.
Stay tuned for more details...
3/21/2008 8:04:14 AM

leichtman ignores my post once more when talking about Obama supporters...I guess if it doesn't support his conclusions, best to just ignore and rant

Re-Live the Clinton Years, Hour-by-Hour?

If I wanted to do that, I could just vote for her.

I see the Hillary Haters are up early today. Somehow you think repeating your garbage is conincing anyone; you are only singing to your own choir. All it shows is that your campaign really is not as uplifting as you profess but is about raw power and running over folks in Michigan and Fla. Go ahead and yell to your choir. What you have managed to do logan,flarfan,wpost, pookie and bsimon by calling her a feminazi(a Coulter type comment), attacking Chelsea, and her association with Reverend Jim Wallace and Reverend Ted Strickland with prayer, is to make folks like me who might otherwise consider supporting Sen Obama if he gains the nomination less likely to do in Nov. so with your rants.If you think that somehow you will be able to win in Nov IF you gain the nomination with 51% of the Democratic voters, you obviously don't know much about about politics. Right now between his supporters rants here and the Senator's disgusting behavior with Michigan and Fla my inlination is to say h*** no. And if I hear Daschell's garbage to count Fla 50/50 one more time that will seal the deal for me. Trying to remain calm about this primary, feeling less and less that that is at all possible.

mark I did post last night about Texas downballot effect, since you seem like one of the few rational folks, I would appreciate you response to my Texas post if yo find the time and looking or your insightful response.

And what does the calendar show for the morning of 9/11/98? Perhaps a prayer breakfast involving respected mainstream ministers and pastors from all over the county? And if so how did a "racist hatemonger" get invited, much less have his picture taken shaking hands with the President of the U.S.?

Perhaps Rev. Wright is not really the fringe lunatic that the neo-con extremists are trying to claim, a claim the sheeple are lapping up right and left, so to speak?

Hannity and you plausibly deniable McBush people...this is for you:

In the midst of this frenzy of guilt by association and character assassination, when will some respected public figure with a knowledge of the 20th century history of this sometimes deeply flawed government of ours finally say "You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

The change in schedule and activity is fascinating after the collapse of the Health Care thing...

It is also AMAZING that Hillary claims she is best equipped to fix Health Care... so far she has had a crack and failed miserably... why should we think she can do it again? She failed because she was divisive and secretive... what has she done of late that would make us think she has changed her spots?

I would also love her to point out which parts of these schedules should be counted as "experience"...

If tea drinking counts, maybe Obama can count the times he has sat on his porch and chatted to his wife over a nice cuppa...

I am tired of Florida's corruption, crooks and scandals. I am sick of all of Hillary's multiple personalities, innuendos, and dirty politicing. Why don't we just separate Florida from the rest of the United States and make Hillary the President of Florida. We get rid of a lousy state that the tax payers have to rebuild every year after hurricane season, and she gets to be a President. In Florida, she can visit foreign leaders on behalf of her people (Castro), claim success with health care since half the population already has medicare, and Bill can hang out at the beach during Spring Break.

Here is a comment from another blogger (WeMustBeInformed):

The long awaited documents are now released. Now we finally have the details of Hillary Clinton's White House years. Well, we knew that we wouldn't get all the details. This is a brief summary of what we now know. Of course there is still much more, that they refuse to make clear to us.

1. She said that she was a quiet critic from the beginning. That was a lie. Instead the documents prove that she was an ardent advocate for NAFTA. Here's a strong point that was made by John Nichols, writer for The Nation.

Quote:
"...now that we know she held at least five meetings to strategize about how to win congressional approval of the deal; now that we know she was in the thick of the maneuvering to block the efforts of labor, farm, environmental and human rights groups to get a better agreement. Now that we know all of this, how should we assess the claim that Hillary's heart has always beaten to a fair-trade rhythm?"

Please read the article in full. It covers more lobbying, strategizing and promoting that HRC did for NAFTA.

Clinton Lie Kills Her Credibility on Trade Policy (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=300860)

2. Her so called foreign affairs experience is definitely in question. Here's an excerpt from John M. Broder's article, "Documents show details of Hillary Clinton's White House years" written in the International Herald Tribune.

Quote:
"The documents offer no support for her claims, made during the presidential campaign, that she helped to negotiate the Northern Ireland peace accords or facilitated the flow of refugees in the Balkans."

3. Many of her domestic agenda claims are also questionable. Her long touted role in helping to pass the FMLA legislation. Again, I'll quote Mr. Broder's article.

Quote:
"Neither is there evidence in them to back up her claim that she helped pass the Family and Medical Leave Act, the first legislation that Bill Clinton signed as president."

"The legislation, sponsored by Senator Christopher Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut, sailed through Congress and landed on the president's desk 10 days after he was inaugurated. Indeed, on the day Bill Clinton signed the bill into law, Feb. 5, 1993, there is no indication on that day's calendar that his wife attended."

4. The final point that I have to add is, there is much that we still don't know and they will fight us to keep it in the dark. Let's not forget that these files were released in response to a Freedom of Information request along with a lawsuit filed in January 2006 by Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta Jr. Again, Mr. Broder states clearly that,

Quote:
"But some of the documents serve to conceal much more than they reveal. There are redactions - blacked-out sections - on more than 4,400 pages, and for many dates there are entries for "private meeting" that give no clue as to whom she met or what the meeting was about."

There is much more in the documents, but then again, not really. Here's a link to John M. Broder's full article:

Documents show details of Hillary Clinton's White House years (http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/19/america/clinton.php)

So, there you have it. What we know and what we don't....

"McCain is a very sympathetic candidate himself and about as red, white and blue as you can get. If the economy rights itself even the slightest and the war continues to be reported positively, I don't see how he can be beat."

McCain is clueless on domestic issues, isn't liked by his own side, and the only thing he has going for him is his support of what is still an extremely unpopular war, which he wants to continue indefinitely while expanding to neighboring states. I would have voted for him in 2000, not today. I can just see the YouTube commercials- FOUR MORE WARS! FOUR MORE WARS!

LOL.

Lordy.
I'll explicate tomorrow.

note I quoted your exact words with" "

Leicht, I did read your post. You attributed conclusions to me that my own words do not necessarily support. I was asked my opinion by another poster and gave it. You took it upon yourself to impose yourself onto my opinion...and misstated it as well.

"As usual, Leicht, you have histrionically misread and misconstrued my post. Like George W and Rove,"

histrionically like W and Rove? Actually I calmly was trying to respond to 'your' actual words, and your response is going back to the fringe arguments we heard last week, you must then be like W and Rove b/c you disagree. Those kind of remarks are so worn out they don't even deserve a response. Obviously you did not read one word I posted about actually going to an early Obama rally at UT and reading everything I could find about Sen Obama before chosing Hillary, guess that makes me Karl Rove.

mark has raised some serious questions that we in Texas although we have already voted have to deal with. pditty mentioned Congressional candidates wanting Sen. Obama. Here in Texas some of our districts like Llyoyd Doggett's and Nick Lampson stretch from the Valley thru Austin and Houston thanks to Tom Delay's redistricting. They are not purely urbin or rural but a mix of both. Our redistricting managed to isolate the african american and hispanic districts to encompass about 40% of that demographic, so I don't really think it will have much effect on our congressional district. the lampson District will try to use either Hillary haters or racist to gen up their voters. the media calls Hillary polarizing but she actually got pretty decent local coverage here in Houston that seemed rather polite fo Hillary and Sen Obama. Its doubtful either McCain, Obama or Hillary will spend a dime advertising here in Oct its just an issue how desperate Sen. Cornyn is to retain power he will definitely have more money but is running against Rick Noreiga who has a great military story but limited name id. Its harris Cty mark that has a substantial effect on how our state votes rather than the urban inner city Houston voters who skew much more Democratic. The county mark is much more rural and thus responded better to Hillary than the City of houston and thus unlike my concluion a year ago i sincerely feel that Hillary will help us more in our County judicial races. Dallas has actually flipped their judicial makeup harris Cty is in desperate need mark for that change.
nick lampson retook a very very conservative Tom DeLay seat. he is well finananced, well organized, and has served his constituents well with Nasa and the port of Galveston. his opponent will try and nationalize his race, but it will be more of a ferendum on Congressman Lampson's service to his constituents rather than whether they can link him to Obama or Hillary, his constituents are conservative but come from an educated base. McCain is not all that known or cared for here in Texas and I expect all of our Texas Congressional delegation to be re elected regardless of the nominee. Here its more about our courts and state senate where a big turn out from hispanic voters may mean the difference.

Thanks mibrooks. I have just checked several websites. Your new information has a lot more details.

It's equally disturbing that some random contractor can simply look up anyone's Passport data. These guys were caught because the person they were looking up was "prominent". (the Washington Times has some details on what the system is like)

Isn't the system they're using inherently insecure in that regard? Isn't anyone in danger of identity theft as a result?

Of course the media needs to pay attention to the Obama ramifications, but I hope they investigate the broader implications for all of us.

Has any media reported the Clinton connection with the passport issue?

mibrooks, do you have a source citation on that? I'm not yet seeing that level of detail on any of the major news sites...

Actually "maybe you have kids" might call for prosecution.

MikeB - "bigone" has previously signed in as "Tesla". He or she is tiresome, tedious, long winded, and gratuitously insulting.

There is no point to the rants and the suggestions of conspiracies that can be discovered by web search links.

I agree that the post to you sounded like a threat and if it was, in the eyes of the WaPo, "Bigone - Tesla" should be banned.

I have spoken to several (11, to be exact) Congressional candidates in close races over the past few weeks (it's money season for them, after all)...in private, nearly all of them believe that an Obama nomination helps them because of the turnout he will generate. These Congressional candidates are spread around the country.

Not sure if I personally believe that, as I think that Democrats are energized regardless of which of these two secures the nomination. I just think the dominos fall to the Democrats this year. I don't see a scenario where McCain and the Republicans can distance themselves enough from Bush. The war is unpopular (Bush's fault), the economy is in the tank (Bush's fault), we still have no health care for the 20% uninsured in this country (Bush's fault), rampant cronyism and incompetence in government (Bush's fault), etc. On every issue that matters, the Republicans have screwed it up.

I do think the Democrats will pick up 15 House seats and maybe 3-5 Senate seats. I don't think either Clinton or Obama affects that one way or another.

pinepine, I'd earlier heard that they had been arrested, but have heard nothing since. They are under an active criminal investigation and they are connected with the Clinton campaign. Those are known facts, now. Who put them up to this; no one knows how far up the Clinton campaign this goes. What is interesting is that there was a warning that popped up on the computer screen that accessing Mr. Obama's file was illegal and they did it anyways. Also, note the dates of access - immediately following Iowa, Super Tuesday, and last Friday right after the Pastor Wright "thing" hit the press. Further information now is that the entire Obama family's records were accessed, including travel records. This got the FBI and Secret Service involved, which is what broke this wide open.

Also, a_big one, is this a threat against me or my family? Chris, take note. The Clintonites aren't just shrill hysterical fanatics, they are dangerous lunatics that threaten people. Remove her! (And, I think this is your friend "spectator2", drindl and lylepink. When you associate with Hillary's slimely mob, this is the sort of company you get. Genuine liberals will vote for Obama or ABC - anybody but Clinton.)

This is in response to you from the previous thread.

leichtman, as a likely McC/Noriega/Doherty voter I am interested in the down-ballot effect on the D side.

I had assumed HRC would bring out the most Rs and keep the most Ds home. This may not be true. It also may change. I will watch.

As usual, Leicht, you have histrionically misread and misconstrued my post. Like George W and Rove, you attribute to me things which my actual words do not necessarily support. My words are one person's opinion, mine, and that's all.

Should also add, that even though I'm an Obama supporter, I don't believe for an instant that Clinton should withdraw. She has drawn 13 million votes. She should stay until the end.

I think it's unfortunate that the histrionic tenor of her campaign of late will damage the party in the end. It's that tone that has led me to conclude that were she to finagle the nomination, I will vote for her, but won't raise money, organize, or personally donate to her.

I agree leichtman, that's a ludicrous assertion. Obama and Clinton supporters alike need to stop the personal attacks. Stick to the issues.

>>> "What's amazing is how they have turned into the attackers with Obama. "

This is only half true. Yes, they are attacking Senator Obama, but President Clinton did the same to George H.W. Bush in 1992. It's politics. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. My issue with the negative campaigning is that Senator Clinton's effort only foments this internecine warfare that could ultimately scuttle the Democrats' ability to retake the White House. She's gone nuclear in this race: if she can't win, nobody will.

What continues to amaze me is that Obama refuses to go negative. As has been documented up here, I'm a huge Obama supporter. I wish he'd go after Senator Clinton. But he won't. I know he wants to play a "different kind of politics", but last I heard, the rules of the game hadn't changed.

And, there's plenty to go after. For starters, why won't she and the former president publish their tax records or donations to his presidential library. The NY Times has already reported that the Saudis have donated millions to support the library, and that the former president received hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of fees to speak in Saudi Arabia, often being shuttled to and from Riyadh on private jets.

Moreover, Senator Clinton received close to a million dollars in donations from registered lobbyists, while Senator Obama received $100,000 (of which, he returned $50,000 after learning the origins of the money...the remainder was from relatives of registered lobbyists).

Follow the money.

wpost: "Unlike Barack, Hillary has few passionate proactive voters...what she does have are passionate reactive voters, a large block of whom are elderly white liberal women, and your mill-of-the-run poor white ethnic voters whose lukewarm support will chill when McCain takes Barack's place.
Many of Hillary's supporters that I have spoken to either are voting for her ONLY because she is a woman"

these comments are rather insulting and disregards the almost 13 million voters who support Hillary. I for one am a lawyer, not poor by any stretch of the imagination, and folks in our precinct caucus included a rabbi, 2 surgeons, entrepeneurs, several cpas, and a surprising number of 20 year olds in debate and drama class. The idea that we are all just a bunch of uneducated elderly women means that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when you make such ridiculous characterizations. I have tried to talk issues and policy differences here as my rational for supporting Hillary as have my wife and neighbors who I have met with and asked why they support her. You mention passion and I guess I am not as rah rah as I was in the 60s or 70s but neither does that mean that I blindly follow Hillary b/c as a man I just prefer having a woman President. Actually many of those who blindly follow Sen Obama(certainly not you) do so because he is young, a good speaker and yes I ran into someone at our caucus who actually told me he likes Obama b/c of his cool music. I will not characterize all of your supporters as being that shallow and neither should you. As I told you I was an Edwards supporter and read the details of both health plans, was present at his Austin UT rally last year, listened to many of his speeches and have read both of Obama's books( a lawyer friend insisted that I do so before deciding after Edwards dropped out)before I concluded that Senator Obama is a very bright man who I would love to have as my con law professor but not as my President. The doctors and cpas at the Texas caucus supporting Hillary told me of similar experiences in their decison making. We struggled mightily to come to that conclusion against the Progressive forces at dailykos, moveon, DFA and other Progressive forces at times trying to intimidate us into supporting Sen Obama, but I have absolutely no regrets for my choice and like most of the NonElderly women supporters, I feel that my choice was based on logic not raw emotion or passion as you boast about. Just wanted that cleared up since there are so few Clinton supporters here to make this statement and it is so often misrepresented here that anyone who dares to support Hillary must be either uneducated or an elderly woman.

mibrooks22,

you're a user of rovian tactics...

I would take you apart in 8 minutes, maybe you have kids

but you don't have brains...

wanna dance squint ????

you use repetitive tactics selling what rove is selling....you're a nuetered tool

comeon budday, actually write something that isn't repeition or stolen from republicans "if you can,"

I'll be waiting.

grow up children.

after Nixon, no one wanted anyone that looked like a politician.

after the corrpution of the current administration, Tricky Dick is looking pretty good....John Dean, Nixon's IMPEACHMENT LAWYER, said George W. Bush deserves IMPEACHMENT more than Nixon...

after Nixon people were disturbed about anyone and anything that "seemed like it was part of the system,"

So they voted for Jimmy Carter. Honest, intelligent, hard working, forthright and not capable of holding his own against people who didn't fight fair.

Incompetent??? Hardly, he gained a peace accord most though impossible. His Habitat for Humanity is heart work at it's finest.

Jimmy Carter expected that he would be able to wield the Presidency. He didn't understand:

He's just visiting here.

This is _their_ hometown, INSIDER WASHINGTON _they_ run things...

he had to go along, or outsmart them. He did neither,

and they railroaded him.....but they killed JFK, so maybe he didn't do too badly.

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Bill Clinton survived 8 years of them trying to throw up a roadblock on his presidency....didn't he ???

and took us from a record-high-deficit to a full General Fund.

And didn't let them talk him into attacking IRAQ in 1998....even though they killed 200 Marines to put the pressure on.

SEARCH ON PNAC Letter to Clinton, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, James Baker III

it's your past and your present.

but it doesn't exist to PeeWee Herman...

.

my mistake mibrooks27, seems to be a well intentioned fellow with two kids in IRAQ...

but he _is_ buying the line that Karl Rove is selling that Hillary is bush lite....

hey kids, I worked in Washington D.C. during the Clinton Administration...

I know the truth.

the Clintons are outsiders in the beltway community.

they actually care about everyone in the United States not just Military Industrial Complex dollars and Lobbyist Dollars...

they are the most hated and feared of enemies, they made it work whilst attacked from all sides and even did a good job...

16 years of these repukelicking dawgs selling it's all the Clintons fault, and they have no morals

as Larry Craig tap dances in airport restrooms, Foley attacks teenage pages and Newt Gingrich schtupps a fellow congresswoman who is married whilst he's married and cries MORALITY as does LIMP Bought who apparently is gay along with Karl Rove, Ken Mehlman head of RNC, Libby and George W. Bush...

they don't have morals, they just appeal to yours and laugh all the way to the bank...

they are schucking the rubes.

The Clintons are not perfect, they don't have to be, they need to be able to do the job.

Not pretend that they don't have to address the issues that actually address by calling them the past

and buying into ROVIAN spin....as the bama is...

think he knows what PNAC is ??? no

think he knows the relationship between AEI and PNAC ??? no

think he understands why IRAN CONTRA is important 30 years later ????

or the formation of the CIA or the Defense Intelligence Agency or the Pinkerton Law???

nope.....he doesn't have a clue, he'll learn it if he gets the jawb...

right.

What's funny is how much we are re-living the Clinton years, but the roles are reversed.

Both Hillary and Bill claim that they were persecuted by a right-wing machine while they were in office. This was discussed in their biographies and in documentaries such as "The Hunting of the President." In fact, Bill is still upset 10 years later about all of this.

What's amazing is how they have turned into the attackers with Obama. They've tried to paint him with every type of smear available. From Farrakhan, to allegations that he's a Muslim, to a plagarist, to Rev. Wright, to red phone ads, to everything in between. As Clinton said, they've deployed the kitchen sink strategy.

So despite their outrage at the tactics used against them, the thing the Clintons have best learned from their being "hunted" is that those tactics work very well. By taking the role of their Republican attackers, the Clintons have become just as awful as their former opponents.

Thus, we are reliving the Clinton years, it's just that Hillary has become the attacker instead of the attacked.

"I think you are dismissing MI and FL much too easily. I don't recall HRC ever stating she was opposed to counting these states last October, but then last October nobody thought it would be this close and those votes could actually matter."

I'm not dismissing MI and FL- I'm saying I don't think the primary snafu will be as big a deal in November as some are making it out to be. I think their delegates will be seated, either as is after Hillary concedes or by some compromise (half seated by vote, the other split 50-50, or just a straight 50-50 split, etc), and I think other issues will be a bigger factor by then. The Dems clearly aren't ignoring them saying they're not valuable, they're standing by the rules, and most voters in those states even agree with that.

"Secondly, people need to quit focusing and using the word "pledged" when talking about this (followed immediately by popular vote count). Pledeged delegates are just one part of the equation (and popular vote means zilch). Superdelegates count the same and the only thing that matters is getting enough delegates to get to the magic number."

Agree that the popular vote means zilch (If it did mean something, the strategies of the campaigns would have differed right from the beginning, much like changing from the electoral college to a straight popular vote the week before the election would be totally unfair regardless of what you think of the EC), but the pledged delegates do matter- the SUpers were only put there initially for two main purposes first, to give elected officials a clear say in the platform which will bound them in their elections, and second to legitimize he nominee. This was originally because of the fear that due to proportional representation there could be a three or four way split with no one close to being a consensus holder (imagine, unike today with two splitting all the pledged delegates but one olding a majority of pledged delegates, four candidates each with a plurality, but say one regional or special interest candidate who was completely unelectable holding a plurality- like a Wallace regional candidate or a Jesse Jackson interest group candidate). The supers weren't designed to overrule the election process if the choice was clear and there is no reason other than delegate preference. To do so would completely undermine the Democratic Party.

"And it is true, Obama does not have to do a thing concerning FL/MI. But what he should do is give the people in MI and FL their say."

They had their say they knew the rules, but both local parties chose to move the elections anyways (and yes, the Florida Democratic Party was outspoken in favor of moving the primary despite their trying to blame the legislature now) becaus ethey believed that without having delegates seated, their votes would still have a major impact on momentum and people would still campaign there anyways. I'd be happy with a revote, but it shouldn't be by mail (Oregon took ten years to set up an effective by-mail system, you can't just throw the thing together) and it can't exclude Dems who voted in the Republican primary because they believed the Dems wouldn't count. And, there needs to be some penalty, again such as halving the delegates like the Republicans did and splitting the remainder, etc. The do-over isn't fair to the states that played by the rules, nor to candidates now who again built a basic strategy based on those rules and would now have to make major adjustments. That sounds self-interested for the Obama camp (as does the revote itself for the Hillary camp) but the simple fact is strategy is vital to the campaign process- GOTV, allocation of resources, timing of travel, sales pitches, etc. That's why the results in those states as is are meaningless, the candidates dindn't run a campaign specifically targeting the states and didn't make personalized arguments- there's a reason why Hillary started up 25 points in Texas and only won by 3.

"Finally, while McCain is older and thus there might be more "dirt", I would submit that "dirt" hurts Obama more because of the type of campaign he is trying to run. His web site has at the very top the statement "I'm asking you to believe". If he is the same kind of politician as McCain or Clinton, how then are people going to do that?"

I disagree with the premise, Hope and believing in a new tone aren't mutually exclusive from what we're seeing here. He's never claimed to be perfect or associate with perfect indiveiduals. Contrary to those who deride Obama supporters as Cultists, part of his appeal is his openness about his flaws. He wants to build new coalitions and broaden the base of the Democratic Party, which he has done successfully in the primaries. That doesn;t mean not defending himself, not pointing out legitimate policy differences with opponents, or even at times using some of the same old tactics when those are used against him. It's about changing the big picture and changing the nature of the candidacy through the involvement of individuals throughout the process, it has been effective and he's still standing by that.

mibrooks27, Where did you see the two arrested stuff? I would like to read myself.

Everyone, note the posts by the shrill hysterical Clinton feminazi. Whenever they get caught in a lie or a dirty trick, they resort to name calling and hysteria (how very typical of feminists). This time, however, there has been an active investigation since last Friday's break in and two of the ladies involved have been tracked to the Clinton campaign. What is going to be very interesting about this is when officials will acknowledge that and just how far up the foodchain of that toxic hag's campaign this will go. Understand one thing, however, Clinton's feminist storm troopers are the enemies of liberalism, decency and ethics. They have the morals of dogs, will resort to the filthiest of tricks, and cry that they are the victims the whole time. I'm voting for Obama, but ABC - ANYBODY BUT CLINTON.

From today's "Head of State"
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/03/clinton-papers-arrogative-deleted.html

"Thursday, March 20, 2008
The Clinton Papers: Arrogative Deleted

From Dictionary.com:

ar·ro·gat·ed, ar·ro·gat·ing, ar·ro·gates

1. To take or claim for oneself without right; appropriate: Presidents who have arrogated the power of Congress to declare war. See Synonyms at appropriate.
2. To ascribe on behalf of another in an unwarranted manner

From Newsweek:

'The more than 10,000 pages, released by the National Archives in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, purport to be the New York senator's daily schedules for her entire eight-year tenure as First Lady--the first major "document dump" from the Clinton Library in Little Rock. But the documents include only Hillary Clinton's public schedules, not her private calendar. And even those appear to be heavily redacted to exclude almost anything that might be of interest to historians and the inevitable posse of "oppo" researchers...

The schedule is considerably less revealing when it comes to more awkward episodes of the Clinton presidency. Consider the afternoon of March 9, 1995, when Johnny Chung, a businessman and soon-to-be-notorious Democratic Party fund-raiser, made a fateful trip to the White House carrying a campaign check for $50,000...

Hillary Clinton made a special trip to the Map Room that day so she could have her picture taken with Chung. "We handshake, and then she [Hillary Clinton] said, 'Welcome to the White House, my good friend'," Chung later testified...Right after that, Chung hand-delivered his $50,000 to Maggie Williams, who was the First Lady's chief of staff at the time and now manages her presidential campaign...

But Hillary Clinton's newly released calendar for that day shows no reference to Johnny Chung at all. There is listed, just as Chung testified, an "official photo" session in the Map Room. But the name of the person Hillary Clinton was having her picture taken with has been deleted on the grounds that it would be "an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy," according to the Archives' released record. This may seem odd, given that Chung had spoken openly, many times, about his photo op with Hillary. It may seem even odder given that just a few minutes later the First Lady had another photo session--but this time, the documents identify the person whose picture was taken. It was Eileen Collins, the astronaut...

Equally unrevealing are Hillary Clinton's schedules for August 1998--a fateful month, during which Bill Clinton was forced to deal with the audacious attacks by Al Qaeda on two U.S. Embassies in Africa even as the Monica Lewinsky scandal was reaching its climax...

Little of this is evident in the schedules released Wednesday. On the contrary, the newly released documents show no public events at the White House--and no public events at an unspecified private residence on Martha's Vineyard. The HRC schedule for Aug. 17, 1998--the day of Bill's grand-jury testimony at the White House--only shows that the Clintons were scheduled to travel to Martha's Vineyard at an undetermined hour that day.'

The sad, lifelong impulse of Clinton to elude and hide--as perceptively characterized in Carl Bernstein's balanced, well-researched and first-rate biography of Clinton, is evident here, as it has been in the past.

The actual facts are sanitized to fit--or at least not to contradict--the later arguments--that Clinton was intimately involved in policy decisions, that she, like Obama, is an agent of reform and change. The ironies of such redactions as compared to her early, enthusiastic work on the Watergate committee are painful in their recognition of what her "experience" has led her to now regard as necessary in a political campaign.

She could embrace what she regards as positive in her past and in her husband's administration openly , and and equally openly reject what has been negative--those actions that she disagrees with, and how she would act differently in her own Presidency.

Instead, with the heavy mark of a black pen, she hides the past, asking us to then believe in its fragmentary reconstruction.

Such a pattern will likely be prospective in its framing of future events--drawing a black line through those outcomes and events that her Administration fears will be regarded with disfavor.

We have seen this before, in the prior Administration. She should bring her considerable talents and skills to a stance of greater openness and honesty regarding the actions that she has taken and will take. This will provide a solid foundation for what she actually believes in, rather than the hidden fissures that can cause a frantic and self-defeating fall.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/03/clinton-papers-arrogative-deleted.html

Mr. McCormack said the officials did not appear to be seeking information on behalf of any political candidate or party.

"As far as we can tell, in each of the three cases, it was imprudent curiosity," Mr. McCormack told The Washington Times.

-Wash Times

this guy,

mibrooks27

is a FALSE DEMOCRAT,

looking to sell a ROVIAN LIE....

YOU know the kind where they pay someone with a stinking fish tied around his neck to run up and hug

your guy?

take this guy out. read his comments and report him as a psychopathic liar...help keep AMERICA clean.

thanks.

.

More information. The story has hit CNN and MSNBC, now. There were three separate break in's, all by contract employees. The State Department fired the first two and the last one, who raided the Obama file last Friday, is under investigation. The Obama campaign thinks it was the White House doing this and the State Department is saying there was no political connection, but my sources claim that all three are connected with the Clinton campaign. All of this brings up the obvious question - what were/are they looking for and who a they passing the information to and who ordered this electronic break in. Bo and girls, we are now seeing the first days of Clinton's Watergate.

why do republicans hate america so?

they don't, they're simply put _ignorant_ of their effect.

they don't care about you or their eefects on the world.

because you're not real to them, they haven't encountered you...in some centuries. Do you think bush was feeling for the men and women dying in Vietnam? How could he, no one in his class was _over there_....Rummy Cheyney?

in a certain sense it is "business as usual,"

_they_

are old fashioned rulers.

They rule by ruleset, not by understanding what is happening.

Their words, and actions reflect a lack of appreciation or deeper understanding of what the world is going through...as a whole.

The prattling about democracy for Iraq as Africa is busy going up in flames and aids, and we sell them arms to further inflame their tribal wars....

the thoughtlessness, is evident in that they didn't realize that what the administration was saying was an _obvious_ lie, in light of what was going on in the rest of the world.

The mindset that they have and use is _inherited_.

It's olde European manipulation of wealth by the wealthy...they're not even American in a way...they are Stuarts...royalty. Bush Sr's uncle was part of the West Indies Spice company, which is multiple centuries old and why Poppy was involved with CIA in trying to depose Castro...in the early 50's...family business...not United States.

Rupert Murdoch is of the same molde even if he's newly rich...Austrailian owner of the media who attempted to monopolize it about 10 years ago...all he got was FOX and some others but not controlling interest in World media...they stopped that in California, as he tried to buy up several newspapers and some newscasting agencies.

Newer minds, unfettered by class belief, can see the effects that deals have on "the people," because in an enclosed society...one that has reached it's borders, we affect each other.

For the olde rich, the inherited,

part of the mindset is _they_ "the people" are not of our class and we are not affected by _them_ "the people."

ANY engineer can tell you that all parts of a ecological system affect each other.

Hell Heisenbergs uncertainy principle, tells you that.

.

this is like shooting fish in a barrel...

I would imagine that the repulsive scammers have infiltrated both camps and are ratcheting things up whilst the Obamanauts and the Hillary crowd try and make sense of it...

there is none. republicans have no character, no morality, and no agendae except to control

how do you identify a republican on these boards, find the people attributing those traits to Hillary.

and Bill

"bash the Clintons !!!"

has been the rushing limp bought's and Karls kid Goebbels ROVE's agendae for the last 16 years...

expect to see it continue until bush, rove, cheney, gonzales, libby, rumsfeld, baker, rice, eliot abrams, otto reich, wolfowitz, goss, negroponte, mcconnel, feith, kristol, krauthammer, perle, and others

are imprisoned for treasonous conduct....

and their sentences executed.

.

gosh it seems as if there is a predominant group of Repukelickings here

pretending to be AMERICANS.

where's the proof?

Economy failing, MONEY LAUNDERING DRUG MONEY causing sub prime mortgage problems...

foreigners buying up the United States and the MONEY IS LEAVING AMERICA

for other shores,

as your Boyfriend in the Whitehouse calls a code pink for a Jeff Gannon Party hosted with Male strippers...........

whooooooooooooooo we

you guys are in charge of nothing but tripe....

arrest and prosecute the president and rove for using a prostitute in the Whitehouse.

gosh it seems as if there is a predominant group of Repukelickings here

pretending to be AMERICANS.

where's the proof?

Economy failing, MONEY LAUNDERING DRUG MONEY causing sub prime mortgage problems...

foreigners buying up the United States and the MONEY IS LEAVING AMERICA

for other shores,

as your Boyfriend in the Whitehouse calls a code pink for a Jeff Gannon Party hosted with Male strippers...........

whooooooooooooooo we

you guys are in charge of nothing but tripe....

arrest and prosecute the president and rove for using a prostitute in the Whitehouse.

gosh it seems as if there is a predominant group of Repukelickings here

pretending to be AMERICANS.

where's the proof?

Economy failing, MONEY LAUNDERING DRUG MONEY causing sub prime mortgage problems...

foreigners buying up the United States and the MONEY IS LEAVING AMERICA

for other shores,

as your Boyfriend in the Whitehouse calls a code pink for a Jeff Gannon Party hosted with Male strippers...........

whooooooooooooooo we

you guys are in charge of nothing but tripe....

arrest and prosecute the president and rove for using a prostitute in the Whitehouse.

gosh it seems as if there is a predominant group of Repukelickings here

pretending to be AMERICANS.

where's the proof?

Economy failing, MONEY LAUNDERING DRUG MONEY causing sub prime mortgage problems...

foreigners buying up the United States and the MONEY IS LEAVING AMERICA

for other shores,

as your Boyfriend in the Whitehouse calls a code pink for a Jeff Gannon Party hosted with Male strippers...........

whooooooooooooooo we

you guys are in charge of nothing but tripe....

arrest and prosecute the president and rove for using a prostitute in the Whitehouse.

gosh it seems as if there is a predominant group of Repukelickings here

pretending to be AMERICANS.

where's the proof?

Economy failing, MONEY LAUNDERING DRUG MONEY causing sub prime mortgage problems...

foreigners buying up the United States and the MONEY IS LEAVING AMERICA

for other shores,

as your Boyfriend in the Whitehouse calls a code pink for a Jeff Gannon Party hosted with Male strippers...........

whooooooooooooooo we

you guys are in charge of nothing but tripe....

arrest and prosecute the president and rove for using a prostitute in the Whitehouse.

mibroks27: Can you tell us who is wideyl reporting that Clinton operatives (as you call them) are behind the release of the Youtube stuff on Wright. The only reports I have seen regarding that comes from those - like yourself - who support Obama. I also take ofense at the idea that genuine liberals do not support HRC. I am one, and I do.

HRC has life issues that have been - and are - raked over by many: including, I might add, BHO 'operatives'. If BHO has nothing to hide and expects to be able to take on the Republican machine, neither he nor his followers should be worried about his life choices being raked over. Rest assured that anything you may think about the Democratic nomination process will pale into insignificance compared to what the Republicans will do.

And for the record again, I still believe BHO will be an excellent presidential candidate - in 2012/ 2016. For now, I choose HR.

vammap wrote:
Is it that you don't think Hillary can win, or you don't want her to?

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I have been waiting for Barack to run since 2004. I thought it wouldn't be for another 4 or 8 years.

Given that, back in December, I predicted that the two nominees would be McCain and Hillary and that McCain would eventually win. And I didn't really care either way. Then, Barack's Iowa blowout took me by surprise, and I thought, well, maybe he a preemie! and sent in my first $25.

I remain committed to Barack, even though he remains unseasoned and has not yet fully resolved questions about his judgment and his relationship with former pastor Wright. But of the three, he is far and above the superior person for the job, potentially.

As far as the Dem nomination goes, unless something drastically changes, which I doubt, Barack will have more delegates than Hillary and most likely more of the popular vote as well. Which means the superdelegates will have to ignore both to give her the nomination, which they very well may do. As a result many of Barack's supporters will stay home and some will vote for McCain.

Unlike Barack, Hillary has few passionate proactive voters...what she does have are passionate reactive voters, a large block of whom are elderly white liberal women, and your mill-of-the-run poor white ethnic voters whose lukewarm support will chill when McCain takes Barack's place.
Many of Hillary's supporters that I have spoken to either are voting for her ONLY because she is a woman and many just want Bill back. It has little to do with Hillary herself, whoever that may be at the moment. There are exceptions, of course.

More importantly, Hillary will energize and motivate the Republicans...esp the far-right religious Republicans. They are lying in wait and salivating. But there isn't enough white liberal female sympathy in the world to save Hillary from them. And a lot of Barack's supporters will probably egg em on given how vile her campaign has been. Not pretty or rational, but emotions are emotions.

McCain is a very sympathetic candidate himself and about as red, white and blue as you can get. If the economy rights itself even the slightest and the war continues to be reported positively, I don't see how he can be beat.

By going Rovian, Hillary will have brought about her own defeat.

I expect to see Barack in 4 years though...maybe 8.

The Clintons? Once you pull back the curtain, Oz is over. USA will be glad to be rid of both George W and Billary: "Ding, dong, the b^ch and bast^ds are dead!" (not literally of course...just in case the wingnuts are out).

At least that's how I see it playing out.

But things might change if McCain chooses a far-right VP. Might galvanize the Barack supporters who would otherwise stay home. Lieber would be a brilliant choice. Undercuts Hillary deeply.

Not sure how I'll vote. Probably won't know til I'm in the booth...unless Barack gets the nomination, of course, then the way will be crystal clear.

here's a new one for you...

repulsive scammer donned Clinton tags and togs and

called the newspaper and pretended to break in...

FOAD you little repukelicking

.

click on his name and see how he normally posts...

he's a HERITAGE FOUNDATION aka zionist shill

.

Here's a new one to ad to all of this. The State Department just arrested two employees for breaking into Barak Obama's passport files...both Clinton operatives. It is also now being widely reported that operatives of the Clinton campaign released the UTUBE video of Pastor Wright and released the story, and have been drumming up all of the negative garbage. Again, just as with Hitler in his bunker, as Berlin was about to be invaded by Russian troops, women raped, people gunned down in the streets, the whole country destroyed, Clinton and her partisans are bent on ruthlessly wrecking the Democratic Party because most genuine liberals reject her and them and their ideology.
These are ruthless people and no liberal will ever support them, any of them, ever again. Remember this when you get the chance to vote against Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton and her lame senate seat and all the rest of the gasbags and traitors who have dragged this campaign and our party into the mud.

dave-

"I personally did not think it made any difference, whether or not my name was on the ballot. You know, it's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything."

-Hillary Clinton, on the Michigan primary, quote from Oct. 11, 2007

What a stupid post, Chris, even for you. Wow, just didn't find the smoking gun in those schedules and you're feeling let down going into the weekend? After all what will you and your buddies at WaPo talk about now that Hillary has taken a back seat to the Obama/Wright thingy?
Oh well, he did say today his Grandmother was a "typical white person", could that possible give us more insight into who he really is? No, you wouldn't report on that! Go on Chris, and worship Keith Olbermann some more while you're at it.

Some of Hillary's activities seem to be missing from the schedule that was released. For example, according to the medias, Hillary appeared in court to defend herself in January 28, 1996. However the schedule indicates no activities from Hillary for this date (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008/clinton-schedule/page/12690/). It seems that the schedule was customized to remove some embarassing items.

In addition, the schedule does not give many details on the nature of her activities. Hillary began working on the health care reform shortly after entering in the white house. However, as reported by the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/opinion/05brooks.html) she organized meetings behind closed doors with lobbyists and she is considered being responsible to have killed a bipartisan effort that was ongoing to reform the health care system. These details do not appear in the schedule.

Finally, after Hillary's failure on the health care reform, according to the medias, the schedule indicates standard activities for a first lady, nothing coming close to the activities of a commander in chief, and nothing coming close to respond to a 3AM or 3PM phone call.

Some of Hillary's activities seem to be missing from the schedule that was released. For example, according to the medias, Hillary appeared in court to defend herself in January 28, 1996. However the schedule indicates no activities from Hillary for this date (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008/...age/12690/). It seems that the schedule was customized to remove some embarassing items.

In addition, the schedule does not give many details on the nature of her activities. Hillary began working on the health care reform shortly after entering in the white house. However, as reported by the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/opinion/05brooks.html) she organized meetings behind closed doors with lobbyists and she is considered being responsible to have killed a bipartisan effort that was ongoing to reform the health care system. These details do not appear in the schedule.

Finally, after Hillary's failure on the health care reform, according to the medias, the schedule indicates standard activities for a first lady, nothing coming close to the activities of a commander in chief, and nothing coming close to respond to a 3AM or 3PM phone call.

Priceless.

543 references to 'tea'
139 references to 'coffee'
76 references to 'policy'
zero references to 'negotiations'

kreuz_missile,
I think you are dismissing MI and FL much too easily. I don't recall HRC ever stating she was opposed to counting these states last October, but then last October nobody thought it would be this close and those votes could actually matter. Secondly, people need to quit focusing and using the word "pledged" when talking about this (followed immediately by popular vote count). Pledeged delegates are just one part of the equation (and popular vote means zilch). Superdelegates count the same and the only thing that matters is getting enough delegates to get to the magic number. Finally, Obama has a history of winning by removing opposition. He won his first office by taking his Dem opponents to court to get them off the ballot (and then ran unopposed). His philosophy seems to be "why give people a choice if you don't have to". And it is true, Obama does not have to do a thing concerning FL/MI. But what he should do is give the people in MI and FL their say.

Finally, while McCain is older and thus there might be more "dirt", I would submit that "dirt" hurts Obama more because of the type of campaign he is trying to run. His web site has at the very top the statement "I'm asking you to believe". If he is the same kind of politician as McCain or Clinton, how then are people going to do that?

"No teacher confrences or other events. It's actually kind of sad"

They redacted personal meetings. Perhaps these would be included in that category.

Well, she had to open her big mouth about all her "experience" and aside from her secretive and failed effort to overhaul healthcare, it appears that her 8 years in white house doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

What next, get the Demo machine in PA and Jersey to try and rig the Michighan and Florida primaries. Sorry to say, but she really seems more interested in going down in flames and taking the party with her in an act that can be described as nothing more than selfish. Will the people of PA help put an end to this charade, or just vote the way good ole Ed tells them to?

I find it interesting how few references there are to her involvement with Chelsea's school. Search on the terms sidwell friends and school result in few hits. No teacher confrences or other events. It's actually kind of sad

10 am - dig dirt on last nights bimbo
11 am - go to bank to deposit pardon money
noon - hire new detective to investigate tomorrow's bimbo
1 pm - IRS investigation of VRWC members
2 pm - load up WH furniture into Uhaul
3 pm - pick out flowers, update resume including this
4 pm - check on chinese dollar conversions
5 pm - welcome overnight guests to lincoln bedroom, prepare deposit slip for library

Give it a rest, Miata. First, even if you include Florida and Michigan, Obama still has a 50+ pledged delegate lead and the popular vote lead. The fact is Hillary was opposed to counting these states last October, then flipped flopped when she needed them to even be considered for the nomination. He won not only in South Carolina, but in Wyoming, Kansas, Iowa, Washington, Vermont, Connecticut, Idaho, etc., all states with overwhelming black populations....

This election is about more than Democratic primaries in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida, and Obama will still put all 50 states in play (does anyone really think that the primary snafu will tick off Michigan voters more than McCain's "face it friends, your jobs are gone and are never coming back"?).

You want to talk about Pastor Wright? How about Hillary's hug of Arafat's wife immediately after bashing Israel? How about McCain embracing Falwell and Robertson AFTER they blamed America for 9-11 which was AFTER McCain himself labeled them the agents of intolerance? How about his support from the anti-Catholic Hagee? How about his current spiritual advisor who stated that the US's mission is to wipe out Islam as we know it? This is all short term nonsense that pails in comparison to the dirt on Clinton and McCain, and it's a debate I'm more than willing to have.

Relive the Clinton years? That is truly above and beyond the call of duty. I think I'd rather have root canal without anesthetic.

Is it telling that it appears that Obama can not put together a majority without excluding 2 major states ???

The Democrats should rethink this.

Doesn't the exclusion of Florida and Michigan magnify the black vote within the democratic party?

Put this together with the magnification of the delegates in the caucus states and there are concerns.

Hillary has a right to have the states in which she has the advantage count. No one ever expected these two states to be within the margin of an extremely close race - that changes the nature of the sanction. We are clearly within the realm of unintended consequences and has such those unintended consequences should be reversed.

Ironically, the very idea of choosing South Carolina over Florida has been called into question.

Why choose South Carolina over Florida? The stated purpose was to give the black community more voice in the nominating process - now that voice is magnified with the complete elimination of the white vote in Florida and Michigan.

This is the new way of doing things in the democratic party : if one does not like the result, eliminate whites from their jobs under affirmative action, eliminate whites from their vote under crazy rules, and that is how one gets to their desired results. Contrived well, yea.

If the Democrats truly want Obama to transcend race, if they want him to be the nominee of the blacks and whites, then let all the whites vote !!!

A fully searchable version of HRC's papers? CC, please tell me you are not spending your vacation searching through this meaningless trove of info. You know, I woke up this morning and thought to myself "So Dave, i wonder what over-hyped useless meaningless thing the world needs today" and lo and behold - this comes along.

I wonder if Hillary's schedule talks about the Fellowship, the secretive Bible Study group to which she belongs. It is very evangelical and includes mostly very conservative Senators such as Brownback and Inhofe and one of its leaders is a very shadowy guy named Doug Coe. Its belief is that a Christian Elite should rule the world and it is divided into "cells" where groups work quietly together in a loose-knit way to advance Jesus's/God's aims through the halls of power. However, it is not so full of love and peace as you might think. It has been associated with Suharto in Indonesia in the past an other rather dubious efforts. Now that Obama's pastor has been raked over the coals, I wonder if Hillary would like to talk about her association with this secretive group and what she agrees with and disagrees with. It might be very important for us to know about before the Democrats decide on a nominee.

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