I think it is about the same level as the wright thing. Judging from the polls though, she is sinking, so it really might be bigger than it looks.

Also, Obama pulled himself out of the Wright thing with his powerful speech. Clinton is not capable of turning this Bosnia thing into an asset.

Was Clinton in on this deal?::::

Clinton campaign head made $200,000 with subprime lender

WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign manager, Maggie Williams, earned about $200,000 on the board of a Long Island subprime lender that charged prepayment penalties -- a practice that Clinton, a critic of the subprime industry, now seeks to eliminate.

Williams, who took over the reins of Clinton's campaign in early February, served as a director on the board of the Woodbury-based Delta Financial Corp. from April 2000 until the firm declared bankruptcy in December, according to Securities and Exchange Commission records.

I'm not sure I want someone who has "misremembered" such an event to be answering the red phone at 3 AM.

After reading through many of these comments I can only conclude that the two party system in this country is seriously broken down. When the national discussion of the election is saturated with nothing but gossip, inuendo and trivia instead of serious debate of the real problems this country faces, our future as a nation is in serious jeopardy.

I'm not sure I want someone who has "misremembered" such an event to be answering the red phone at 3 AM.

After reading through many of these comments I can only conclude that the two party system in this country is seriously broken down. When the national discussion of the election is saturated with nothing but gossip, inuendo and trivia instead of serious debate of the real problems this country faces, our future as a nation is in serious jeopardy.

How easily and casually Hillary lies.

The worst thing about Clinton's "war" story is that her daughter accompanied her to Bosnia. This means the former first lady has involved her child in a lie in order to advance her own agenda.

More, it suggests "to me" that Clinton could very well be a president who lies to the public in the very same way. I saw this one coming. I'm not surpised, but then I'm also not a supporter.

It's hard to mistake whether or not you are under fire.

Her comment makes the US Military look incompetent. If the First Lady of the United States was shot at, it would have been news.

Obama's efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.

The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten's of billions.

Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports.

Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats.

Two years ago, Iraq's Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin "Tony" Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON --
Recently, Obama's campaign staff have been vetted by the IRS to disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges -- Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and disclose Obama's MUSLIM Farrakhan mob connection to Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Its minister, and Obama's spiritual adviser, is the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. In 1982, the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Every year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness." That man is Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church are trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. Obama should stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke "GLORK" Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He is MAD!!! --

OBAM YOU'RE NO JFK --

"GLORK" Obama looks like Alfred E. Newman: "Tales Calculated To Drive You." He is a MUSLIM "Glork" He's MAD!!! Alfred E. Neuman is the fictional mascot of Mad. The face had drifted through American pictography for decades before being claimed by Mad editor Harvey Kurtzman after he spotted it on the bulletin board in the office of Ballantine Books editor Bernard Shir-Cliff, later a contributor to various magazines created by Kurtzman.
Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek.

Michelle Obama should be ashamed.

"GLORK" Michelle Obama should be ashamed of her separatist-racist connection to Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. If Michelle Obama new what her husband -- the Hope-A-Dope, Fonster Monster -- Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama did in Harlem, she would wash her wide-open, Hus-suey loving MUSILM mouth out, with twenty-four (24) mule-team double-cross X-boX-BorraX. He is a MUSLIM "Glork" It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He's MAD!!!

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

THE SPEECH --

The Apologia has arrived and once again the self-indicting, separatist-racist Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama, promises to heal the wounds of the world. The speech is the rude awakening of mass messianism of his campaign. Apologetically, Obama the MUSLIM double-cross X-boX-BorraX has an astonishingly empty two-prawn echelon explanation of his misjudgment.
In the first prawn: with regard to his connection to separatist-racist Rev. Wright; Obama summons voodoo and juju to express slavery as beginning and ending with the Rev. Wright.
In the second prawn: Obama's speech takes credit for Ashley's dream. A dream of unity Martin Luther King, Jr. borrowed from Ashley for his historic "I Have A Dream" speech. In Obama's speech, the connective bond Ashley, the elderly black man and Obama's grandmother share; represents Obama's self-indicting rise to the Harvard Yard. For Obama, the grand flag of language is the semi-fore of words, bestowed upon our nation by the messiah-alumni from Harvard. Obama's Swoon-Song Apologia to the nation represents a failed hymn -- a hymn that fails to heal the nation, repair the world, or make this time different than all the rest. Obama's speech is a brilliant failure.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Garnet888 said:
"And lastly, do you really want a President who can't win a debate with Sinbad?"
I love it!

What makes this even more incredible is that Sinbad had already challenged her account before she made her statement on St. Patrick's Day. She was responding to his mocking claim that their biggest conflict on the trip was deciding where to eat. She even had Gen. Togo West step to the mike and humiliate himself by backing up her story.

If you look at the tape of her at that press conference, she looks terrific in her green clover covered scarf - relaxed, in control, and very well rested. She provided a lot of detail about their harrowing trip. She did not seem sleep deprived in the least.

I think it was a serious error, especially because it was clearly false, as shown repeatedly by television videotape, and she repeated it several times. What is most damaging is the timing. It changed the subject of campaign gossip from Rev. Wright, which was already beginning to play out.

Her efforts on Tuesday to change the discussion back to Wright looked desperate and negated her more politically wise silence of the previous week. Obama had addressed the Wright issue as best he could with his speech on race - people either accepted his explanation and found his description of racial matters uplifting or they didn't agree that he had sufficiently explained his involvement in a church with a pastor who had made angry, anti-American statements. Gratuitously bringing up the subject again didn't help her with anyone at this point in the life cycle of that story. Rather, it hurt her, and showed poor judgment - again.

The most damaging fact about this "Bosnia sniper fire" story is that it reminded people of Hillary Clinton's historic reputation for untrustworthiness at a time when she needed to run a nearly perfect campaign to overcome Obama's lead and/or reestablish herself as the candidate most likely to win in November. This story will be seen as another tipping point toward her final defeat.

svreader, Thanks for your post about Obama's inconsistencies and exaggerations. Keep posting that list- it is very effective and informative. We absolutely need to focus the attention onto Obama's record vs what he says.

One bit of advice though - shorten it up a bit so that people won't scroll past.

I'm no fan of the Clintons, but she has gotten way more scrutiny than Obama. He can't be allowed to just waltz to victory based on one or two scripted speeches.

Saturday Night Live should be good this week.

Anything that draws attention to the actual merits or lack thereof of her claim to being experienced should act like sunlight on a vampire.

Mark: All of them are "Flawed" as are all of us. I have two things that really gets me going.. Thief and Lier.. I cannot stand either, and try my best to stay away from them as much as possible. I pretty well know some things about McCain, Hillary, and Obama even though I don't know them personally, and think Hillary is far above the three of them in what I think each of them would try to do for us in their role as POTUS. The best words I can think of would be "Feeling and Helping" those of the world, as a whole, that have little of what each and everyone of us should have in our time here on earth.

The defining question is whether Hillary EVER had an experience like the one she described. If so, she's right, big deal, she got confused. IF NOT...roll the tape, knowing the whole story, detail after detail, is fabricated, that she's just standing there unabashedly making this crap up. This SO undermines her credibility. We'll see an ad intercutting the film with her comments in the general election if she's the nominee. The question is whether we'll see such an ad in the primaries.

Posted by: fred | March 26, 2008 09:36 AM
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You're absolutely right. The real question is: did this ever happen to Hillary? My guess is no, that this was a complete fabrication. If there were an actual sniper fire incident, wouldn't the Clinton campaign have immeidately told us when/where it happened?

Their silence tells me all I need to know. It's revealing how Clinton so casually lies about things, and then immediately disavows her story when caught.

Obama's LIES are far worse. From DD --

Ok now why don't we take a look at some of the instances where St. Obama's misspoken, eh?

Just Embellished Words: Senator Obama's Record of Exaggerations & Misstatements

Once again, the Obama campaign is getting caught saying one thing while doing another. They are personally attacking Hillary even though Sen. Obama has been found mispeaking and embellishing facts about himself more than ten times in recent months. Senator Obama's campaign is based on words -not a record of deeds - and if those words aren't backed up by facts, there's not much else left.

"Senator Obama has called himself a constitutional professor, claimed credit for passing legislation that never left committee, and apparently inflated his role as a community organizer among other issues. When it comes to his record, just words won't do. Senator Obama will have to use facts as well," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said.

Sen. Obama consistently and falsely claims that he was a law professor. The Sun-Times reported that, "Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary [Senate] campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter." In academia, there's a significant difference: professors have tenure while lecturers do not. [Hotline Blog, 4/9/07; Chicago Sun-Times, 8/8/04]

Obama claimed credit for nuclear leak legislation that never passed. "Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was 'the only nuclear legislation that I've passed.' 'I just did that last year,' he said, to murmurs of approval. A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks. Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama's comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate." [New York Times, 2/2/08]

Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma. "Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: 'I meant the whole civil rights movement.'" [New York Times, 3/5/07]

LA Times: Fellow organizers say Sen. Obama took too much credit for his community organizing efforts. "As the 24-year-old mentor to public housing residents, Obama says he initiated and led efforts that thrust Altgeld's asbestos problem into the headlines, pushing city officials to call hearings and a reluctant housing authority to start a cleanup. But others tell the story much differently. They say Obama did not play the singular role in the asbestos episode that he portrays in the best-selling memoir 'Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.' Credit for pushing officials to deal with the cancer-causing substance, according to interviews and news accounts from that period, also goes to a well-known preexisting group at Altgeld Gardens and to a local newspaper called the Chicago Reporter. Obama does not mention either one in his book." [Los Angeles Times, 2/19/07]

Chicago Tribune: Obama's assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing 'strains credulity.' "...Obama has been too self-exculpatory. His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004 -- more than a year before the adjacent home and property purchases by the Obamas and the Rezkos." [Chicago Tribune editorial, 1/27/08]

Obama was forced to revise his assertion that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House.' "White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to revise a critical stump line of his on Saturday -- a flat declaration that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House' after it turned out his own written plan says they could, with some restrictions... After being challenged on the accuracy of what he has been saying -- in contrast to his written pledge -- at a news conference Saturday in Waterloo, Obama immediately softened what had been his hard line in his next stump speech." [Chicago Sun-Times, 12/16/07]

FactCheck.org: 'Selective, embellished and out-of-context quotes from newspapers pump up Obama's health plan.' "Obama's ad touting his health care plan quotes phrases from newspaper articles and an editorial, but makes them sound more laudatory and authoritative than they actually are. It attributes to The Washington Post a line saying Obama's plan would save families about $2,500. But the Post was citing the estimate of the Obama campaign and didn't analyze the purported savings independently. It claims that "experts" say Obama's plan is "the best." "Experts" turn out to be editorial writers at the Iowa City Press-Citizen - who, for all their talents, aren't actual experts in the field. It quotes yet another newspaper saying Obama's plan "guarantees coverage for all Americans," neglecting to mention that, as the article makes clear, it's only Clinton's and Edwards' plans that would require coverage for everyone, while Obama's would allow individuals to buy in if they wanted to." [FactCheck.org, 1/3/08]

Sen. Obama said 'I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage,' but Obama health care legislation merely set up a task force. "As a state senator, I brought Republicans and Democrats together to pass legislation insuring 20,000 more children. And 65,000 more adults received health care...And I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage." The State Journal-Register reported in 2004 that "The [Illinois State] Senate squeaked out a controversial bill along party lines Wednesday to create a task force to study health-care reform in Illinois. [...] In its original form, the bill required the state to offer universal health care by 2007. That put a 'cloud' over the legislation, said Sen. Dale Righter, R-Mattoon. Under the latest version, the 29-member task force would hold at least five public hearings next year." [Obama Health Care speech, 5/29/07; State Journal-Register, 5/20/04]

ABC News: 'Obama...seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he made' on ethics reform. "ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: During Monday's Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he has made on disclosure of "bundlers," those individuals who aggregate their influence with the candidate they support by collecting $2,300 checks from a wide network of wealthy friends and associates. When former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel alleged that Obama had 134 bundlers, Obama responded by telling Gravel that the reason he knows how many bundlers he has raising money for him is "because I helped push through a law this past session to disclose that." Earlier this year, Obama sponsored an amendment [sic] in the Senate requiring lobbyists to disclose the candidates for whom they bundle. Obama's amendment would not, however, require candidates to release the names of their bundlers. What's more, although Obama's amendment was agreed to in the Senate by unanimous consent, the measure never became law as Obama seemed to suggest. Gravel and the rest of the public know how many bundlers Obama has not because of a 'law' that the Illinois Democrat has 'pushed through' but because Obama voluntarily discloses that information." [ABC News, 7/23/07]

Obama drastically overstated Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance. "When Sen. Barack Obama exaggerated the death toll of the tornado in Greensburg, Kan, during his visit to Richmond yesterday, The Associated Press headline rapidly evolved from 'Obama visits former Confederate capital for fundraiser' to `Obama rips Bush on Iraq war at Richmond fundraiser' to 'Weary Obama criticizes Bush on Iraq, drastically overstates Kansas tornado death toll' to 'Obama drastically overstates Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance.' Drudge made it a banner, ensuring no reporter would miss it." [politico.com, 5/9/07]

Twelve instances... when oh WHEN will they start doling out Pinocchios for these, eh?

I have been a Democrat for a long time. I voted for Eugene McCarthy, Walter Mondale, George McGovern, Michael Dukakis, Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, and John Kerry. The obvious question is "Where is Bill Clinton's name?" Well,for me, character has always been the most important part of any presidential candidate, and I just didn't see it in Clinton. It was just a very little lie that tipped me off. You see, Bill is close to my own age and I know my generation very well. So when he said that he had smoked marijuana but he "didn't inhale" I knew that he was either an idiot or a liar. He seemed way too smart to be that big of an idiot, so the other choice was the obvious one. It turns out I was right. Later, it was Bill Clinton lying about his sexual encounters that closed the door on his presidency being followed by another Democrat. It opened the door for the most damage the Republicans have ever been allowed to do to our republic.
The point of the story, of course, is that I feel I am a pretty good judge of character. Now Bill Clinton's wife has been caught in a little lie, and that certainly has not been the only indication of her true character. There is no way on God's green earth that she will ever get my vote.

Here following is evidence of how Obama, whose stated positon was to be above the politics of divisiveness, is outright disenfranchising voters. He doesn't want a vote based on a voter decided outcome, he wants to tilt the outcome so he is assured votes. Votes might be able to be manipulated in a caucus venue, but in primaries, where he has been the weakest, he has had less control of the outcome. It's probably the most outrageous irony of the election, that the first Black candidate for the Presidency would disenfranchise votes.

Clinton Camp's Response to Michigan Court Ruling

STATEMENT FROM CAMPAIGN MANAGER MAGGIE WILLIAMS ON NEW VOTE IN MICHIGAN
In the wake of today's court ruling regarding Michigan's January 15th primary, we urge Senator Obama to join our call for a party-run primary and demonstrate his commitment to counting Michigan's votes.
Senator Clinton has consistently urged that the more that 600,000 votes cast by the people of Michigan be counted and if that is not possible, that a new election be held.
Michigan voters must not be disenfranchised and the Obama campaign must not continue to block Michigan's efforts to hold a new vote. Rather it should move quickly to announce its support for a party run primary.
Michigan will be a key battleground state in November. Disenfranchising Michigan voters today will, in the heat of a general election, provide Senator McCain with a powerful argument to use against the Democratic nominee. We cannot allow this to happen.
The people of Michigan must be counted and their voices finally heard. What the people of Michigan need now is just action, not just words.

Obama Campaign Response to Michigan Ruling

"As we've said consistently, we think there should be a fair seating of the Michigan delegates. The Clinton campaign has stubbornly said they see no need to negotiate, but we believe that their Washington, my-way-or-the-highway approach is something voters are tired of," said Obama campaign manager David Plouffe.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/03/26/federal-judge-michigan-vote-flawed/

In the interest of full disclosure I voted for Obama but have given to both candidates.

I have had concerns about Clinton from the beginning. Issues like, Bush, Clinton, Bush Clinton, ... not really the way a democracy is supposed to be run.

Bill back in the White House, and then we really do have two Presidents.

Obama is new, can't get around that or deny that. Johnson was not, did not avoid Vietnam, Nixon was not, it went on seven more years. Ford was experienced but we had horrible economic conditions. Reagan was fairly inexperienced but is well liked. Clinton had no foreign policy experience but beat the best resume in town.

Resumes are over valued. If we were electing a resume we would appoint Bill Richardson. We don't elect resumes, we elect people. To me the judgment is -- who do I want to invite into my home for the next 4 or 8 years? Obama began to close that deal with me with his speech after winning South Carolina. He closed the deal with me with his speech on race.

I vote for judgment not experience. Experience can interfere with judgment because it limits the concept of the possible. Obama is so fresh and so smart that he is who we need. We may be at a turning point in this country of becoming just another country instead of the leading light we have been for more than 60 years.

We need an inspirational leader, not a divider and both Clinton and McCain are dividers.

JD, she could also be a frightened little girl in a hard adult shell. It fits, if you know anyone like that. That would make her a more understandable person, but not a more trustworthy President.

lyle, I am sensing that this story is painful for you.

If it helps, we do not know any of these candidates personally and we go on what we read, hear, and see.

I tell you I lean to McC, but I do not know him. I would not be responsible for him, if I did know him. bsimon leans to BHO but he does not know him. FemaleNick leans to HRC and she has met HRC, but she does not know her.

So if you are angry with HRC for disappointing you now, but continue to support her as the best of three flawed options, and I do the same with McC, we can just debate issues. And if either of us end up supporting someone else, that is OK too.

flipping around the channels tonight, I saw Dick Morris hammering HRC on Fox. Yeah I know, nothing new, but he ran down a long list of her pattern of outright lying:

- evidently, HRC claimed that Chelsea was jogging around the WTC when the plane hit (Chelsea was at home)
- HRC claimed she learned about racism in school during intramural soccer (they didn't have that sport at her school)

There were other examples, but those are the two I remember. I know Dick is a biased source and mostly a Clinton hater, but before some hater like drindl merely attacks the messenger here; he does make some good points.

Is HRC pathological? She must know she's going to get caught, it's on tape (like Kwame from Detroit...). Why lie? Is it just her nature?

If so, how awful a person she must be. and it explains alot of why she stayed with Bubba.

I'll preface my analogy with the information that I support Sen. Obama. That said, I think the Tuzla story presents a problem for Sen Clinton that I have not seen adequately addressed.

First, the exaggerations, in and of themselves, would constitute a "minor blip." We're dealing with the memory of an event that occurred twelve years ago. On that front, I'm inclined to give Sen. Clinton the benefit of the doubt. I think there is an amount of resume padding that, while not entirely unimportant, is more or less acceptable.

However, the problem lies [no pun intended] in the actions that she has taken since confronted with the inconsistency. This is where the troubling pattern seems to emerge. First, she stated that she "misspoke," which was also proven to be untrue. And then she blamed the discrepancy on "sleep deprivation." All that these responses have done is perpetuate the controversy; keep it alive. She has taken a "minor blip" and given it legs.

From a strictly 'I want to elect a Democrat in the fall' standpoint, the seeming lack of accountability for her actions is disconcerting. Every campaign has multiple "minor blips." It is the candidate's response that I believe, generally, ends up driving the story. This is probably a good thing because it allows the electorate to see the candidates in less scripted moments responding to something they did not foresee. And with Sen. Clinton, there seems to be a pattern of not accepting consequences for actions which, I strongly believe, helps foster the zealousness with which she is pursued by others.

I think there is a natural inclination that people have to hold others accountable. Because that's the way it is in almost all of our lives. It's something almost everyone inherently understands. And on a base level, this just seems like Sen. Clinton was caught trying to pull a fast one and then not wanting to accept responsibility after having been caught.

Although I voted for Bill Clinton twice, I always thought that his inability to take responsibility for his actions made him complicit in the manner in which he was pursued. And I don't want to relive that aspect of the 90's. It's bad for the party and it's bad for the country. In fact, it seems to only be good for satisfying the personal ambitions of the Clintons'.

I hope the country has enough sense to simply walk away this time.

Why are we still talking about Hillary. She has no chance of winning either the nomination or any other thing in this race except a rightful second place.

Hillary, you're toast, finished, caput. Deal with it. It is over for you and your blowhard husband.

Go tell some tall stories to your New York village. They love you there. The rest of the world could not care less about your pathetic grasping at straws.

The race is over. Lawyer that into second is the new first. Grow up and learn to lose. The spectacle of you, Bill and Chelsea is truly tiresome. Please, go away, you lost and you know it. Please, go away, now!

I think this story is damaging , not just because she has based her whole campaign on this notion of her vast experience , its also even more damaging because it speaks to the incompetent way Clinton's campaign has been managed from the start. From Patti Solis Doyle's mismanagement of money , which left Clinton unable to compete in Feb . To their inability to control Bill Clinton in South Carolina , which led to the wholesale defection of African-Americans from Clinton. Mistake after mistake has been made by her team. The fact is she was speaking from written remarks . That means someone from her campaign wrote this story for her without taking the time to fact check . Thats rank, Mike Brown incompetence for you . Which is exactly what we don't need following George W. Bush.

PROUD: I stated earlier there was no excuse for FLAT OUT LIES by anyone. Hillary KNEW she was LIEING when these statements were made, this "False Remembering" does not cut it with me in no way shape or form. I am still supporting Hillary, but if more LIES come from her campaign, I will support McCain, for there is no way I could ever vote for Obama.

The Hillary campaign, which has seen its hopes for a state-run revote effectively dashed by opposition from Obama and local officials, has just called for a party-run primary -- or "firehouse primary" -- and challenged the Obama camp to climb aboard.

The Hillary camp's call for the new vote comes in the wake of a decision by a Federal judge in Detroit today ruling the state's presidential primary law unconstitutional.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/hillary_campaign_calls_for_par.php

This doesn't seem to pose a huge problem for Clinton in and of itself, but it does suggest that she may have a hard time closing the deal on the nomination. It's things like this that remind voters that Clinton's FLOTUS years are of debatable relevance in her run for president. Ironically, despite Clinton's comments that this shows she's human, it will stir up the distrust many people have of Clinton and his her where she is weakest against Obama - the old "honest and trustworthy" column. On it's own, it is not a crippling strike. But if more of these distractions pop up for Clinton, or are dug up by the media or Obama's team, Clinton's chances of winning this thing will drop. Not only does she need to lure swing donors, but - perhaps more importantly - she needs to avoid at all costs the view (in the eyes of the public, the media, and the superdelegates) that she is trying to steal this thing away from Obama.

No worse than Barack Obama's claim he is an advocate for Hispanics. Fighting for them even when it is hard.

I have been reporting all over the internet since before Obama decided to even run that it can be verified that IL. U.S. Senator Presidential Candidate Barack Obama , IL. U.S. Senator Dick Durbin co-chair Obama 2008 are being complicit in allowing the Illinois Department of Human Rights and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to treat me an American U.S. Hispanic citizen who reported incidents of race discrimination in the state of Illinois in an unequal, biased, & discriminatory manner by preventing me the same race discrimination charges non-Hispanics enjoy as a matter of record and then covering up their conduct. Despite there being ample time for each to respond, redress, and stop the above mentioned serious form of discrimination nothing ,to date, has been done to fairly & fully address, redress,and stop this still ongoing serious form of discrimination which has allowed Hormel Foods Corporation, UFCW, and Target Corporation to not be held accountable for race discrimination against me because I happen to be Hispanic. Inaction ,complicity, & deliberate silence on the part of (for instance but not limited to) Obama and Durbin are responsible for my American civil rights continuing to be violated in Illinois as it relates to this serious form of discrimination in their state of Illinois and for nothing being done to fully & fairly redress and stop this still ongoing form of discrimination against an American who happens to be a Hispanic in Illinois. Hispanics who Know are just showing and showed they will not be willing victims of his "Good Judgment". He has this still going on in Illinois as we speak but Barack Obama tells Hispanic/Latinos nothing about it! I repeat this is verifiable, ongoing and Barack Obama should address it but does not and you can guess why. Included is a link to just one example (If you happen to be a Hispanic in Illinois you have no race and therefore cannot be a victim of race discrimination as I can atest) this is on IDHR's own website in the public domain.

http://www.state.il.us/dhr/Orders/2006/Oct_06/Zuniga,%20M.htm

This is nothing knew to Chris Cillizza. Barack Obama has gotton a free pass for to long wouldn't you agree.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/04/fix_picks_edwards_and_obama_un.html

It is 3:00 a.m. and Hillary is sleeping. The red phone rings. Will she be as sleep deprived as she was when she responded to the question about landing in Bosnia?

It is 3:00 a.m. and Hillary is sleeping. The red phone rings. Will she be as sleep deprived as she was when she responded to the question about landing in Bosnia?

It's 3:00 a.m. and Hillary is sleeping. And, the red phone rings. Will she be as sleep deprived at 3:00 a.m. as when she responded to the question about her landing in Bosnia?

I think that this is a minor blip that will do little to change anyones mind with the possible exception of Clinton leaning undecideds. People who have decided they are going to vote for Clinton already know what they are getting and this exaggeration/lie is certainly not going to make those people say "Whoa, now all of a sudden I've discovered she has a personality defect and now I should not vote for her". I would think that if you were an undecided leaning towards Obama, this might push you toward a choice for him but then I think that most people leaning towards Obama would wind up voting for him anyway. If you were an undecided leaning towards Clinton, it might cause you to reconsider (but not necessarily change your vote). That amounts to few people. Politicians lying or exaggerating should not come as a surprise to anybody.

it's interesting isn't it????

the rot in the United States ECONOMY, from sending all of our money into war profiteers pockets

has extended to NORTHERN VIRGINIA
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WP Article: "Foreclosure Auctioneer's Lonely Task,"
By Nick Miroff
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 22, 2008

"Lot of interest out here this morning," Crossley muttered. No one showed up for the auction of 7 homes that were in foreclosure.

It wasn't always such a lonely job. When Crossley became an auctioneer two years ago for Purcellville-based Nectar Projects, foreclosure sales were few, and they would regularly draw packs of investors armed with cash and eager to bid. Now it's rare for anyone to show up. In the past three months, Crossley has conducted auctions on some 200 properties in Northern Virginia, and he has sold one.

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what does that mean, relative to the discussion regarding Obama and Hillary ???

that the people who caused this, currently deadlocking Congress and running things for their private benefit in WASHINGTON through the EXECUTIVE BRANCH...

are trying to keep things status quo, maintain their grip on the cash flow...

not knowing what is going on in WASHINGTON, and saying that those who want to bring up specific examples _OF_THAT_ are talking about the past scares me.

I see a junior congressman, buying into and using what the repulsive scammers are selling as a way of getting elected

w/o regard to what his election will mean to the people.

you want to know what will happen? look at what happened to Jimmy Carter.

If we had acted 30 years ago on his very good ideas, there would be no energy problem, probably greenhouse gases would be under control and our economy would still be booming and manufacturing would still be in_country...

but Carter was backstabbed, because he wanted to "play fair,"

after Nixon, everyone wanted someone that would "play fair,"

unfortunately, Jimmy didn't know how to make sure the bullies played fair as well...

do I need to paint a picture ????

. Hillary isn't the person that you're painting her as, you're simply selling repulsive scammer spin .

as "the truth,"

when you should be exposing it....the fact that you're not, sayz yards....

prostitutes in the whitehouse for two years???

where've you been Chris ??? speaking out?

or getting on the guest list, eh !?

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Wag the Blog winner:
lylepink for finally owning up to a Clinton LIE as an indisputable FACT.

Good job lyle; keep those eyes wide open buddy, even if the Empress now has no clothes.

Obama Speech

"Where it was weakest was in explaining the very reason for the speech: how the inflammatory, even repugnant, comments of Obama's pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, are understandable."

"Wright, who has been Obama's pastor for 20 years, has said America had brought on the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 -- "America's chickens are coming home to roost" -- and that "We started the AIDS virus."

http://www.politico.com/rogersimon/

This is the hate speak that broke the camel's (the party) back. But, those on this list who ironically are hate speakers too, would never be able to discern that. That's why it's over, for those of you who don't get it yet, this primary is over...it doesn't matter who wins because they're not going to get the other candidate's votes come November... The DNC says they'll convince them to? That's laughable...

The oddity of it all perplexes me.
1. Why did she fabricate the story to this extent when it was so easy to prove the truth--was she so sleep deprived that she forgot that her trip was covered by the press? And my goodness, if she had been subject to sniper fire, wouldn't world-wide headlines have trumpeted the story when it occurred?
2. If this was so dangerous that a "corkscrew" landing and sprint through sniper fire were required, why in the heck did she take Chelsea along?
3. If the story were true as she told it, so what? Does a sprint through sniper fire make her more qualified as commander in chief?

For my part, I admire her intelligence and her tenacity as a candidate. However, this gives me real cause to question her commitment to the truth. A bit reminiscent of the last president named Clinton.

"aka American Gulag"

Which is a joke.

"...I can see it now -Club Nodak."

aka American Gulag

bsimon, You'll be happy to note that, contrary to conventional wisdom, living in Dakota Territory is also not considered torture. Although I can't think of a better place to house terrorists than the godforsaken frozen tundra of my state...I can see it now -Club Nodak.

proudtobeGOP writes
"The litigation of terrorists should not preclude their (legal) interrogation."

I agree. With the legal bit underscored.

What momentum she already lost the nomination. Do the math! The only reason Hillary is still running is to hurt Obama so much that McCain will get elected and she would get another chance in 2012. That why she trow everything at him. It a scorched earth tactic. If she can't be President no other Democrat can!

Mrs. Clinton also stated that she was the first First Lady to go into a combat zone since Eleanor Roosevelt.

That is false. Pat Nixon visited a combat zone in Vietnam in 1969.

What is lost in all of this is that she prefaced her telling of the story by stating some line about how if a location was too small, too distant or too dangerous they send the First Lady instead of the President. That Bill Clinton actually had gone there two months before she and Chelsea went shoots holes in that statement too (pardon the pun).

It seems almost that she or her campaign recognize that she polls best when she is seen as a victim. So, why not play that up and put her very life at risk in a story that highlights her foreign policy experience to go along with a quasi-feministic sob story of how shabby she was treated as First Lady. If no one checks it out it would be a political two for one. But it was checked out. And it instead reinforces the negative perception that goes with the very name Clinton. Truth is flexible, luck = skill.

And lastly, do you really want a President who can't win a debate with Sinbad?

bsiomon writes "The best way to defeat terrorism is to put them on trial before the world, proving that they are the criminals we say they are."

The litigation of terrorists should not preclude their (legal) interrogation.
Liberals wanted to prevent "harsh" techniques from being allowed when interrogating terrorists. No extreme temperatures, no sleep deprivation, no forced standing for long periods of time. What next? No polyfill, only feather pillows?

When the VA snipers were caught after their weeks-long seige of terror on the Capital region, to which I was subjected as a resident at the time, one of the men complained that he was being tortured in the jail for being served the veggie loaf - he had requested a vegetarian diet as required by his Muslim faith. The lawyers then spent TAXPAYER dollars to defend his right to tasty non-torturous cuisine.

This is the ridiculous extreme to which the ACLU types will go to defend the rights of bad guys. I think we have to use some common sense, and yes, litigation and due process. But, questioning and interrogation is part and parcel of the judicial process one will find themselves in if they are a suspect of a vile criminal act.

Before I say any thing I am a Hillary supporter.I do think it was a little foolish of her but I do think it is minor.I am not concerned.I do have a question in the honesty category about BO and Iam trying to find a neutral media person to tell me on way or the other.In PA BO is running commercials claiming his campaign does not take $$ from lobbyists . He does have lobbyists working his campaign and also I have heard some let employees help on company time.Is this true and if so does he really think they do not want something in return?

I'm a Republican, so I don't wish to slam Senator Clinotn as a means of making Senator Obama look more presidential thereby.

Yes, it is big, but not because she stretched the truth until it resembles something else. What will damage her long-term (meaning, through the convention) is the offhanded way she is treating what is obviously a bold-faced lie. To say she "misspoke" is to avoid the clearly calculated use of misinformation to burnish her foreign affairs credentials. Senator Clinton is intelligent, and clearly in charge of issues both foreign and domestic. To have simply forgotten, when a comedian who was also present remembers, weakens her argument that she is the most capable nominee.

Senator Clinton's greatest weakness has long been the perception that she cannot be trusted. Many Americans base their choice upon the candidate they feel can be trusted. By avoiding a mea culpa here she is reminding people of their mistrust of her character and integrity. Sadly, and wrongly, it also reminds people of President Clinton's dificulty with the truth and what "is" is.

In fact, I respect both Democratic candidates. This episode plays to Senator Clinton's perceived weakness and takes the focus off of Senator Obama's relationship with Reverand Wright just at the time that the issue was gaining traction and Obama's poll numbers were beginning to reflect the result. for her campaign, this is a missed opportunity. Perhaps the last one.

Proud and bsimon, lest you forget:

Since the August 7, 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania which killed 224 people and injured over 5,000, the United States government has attempted to arrest and bring to trial those responsible. The U.S. has issued a series of indictments against Osama bin Laden, the man they believe controls the international terrorist organization responsible for the bombings. As of May 2001, seventeen defendants have been charged in relation to the bombings. Of the seventeen, eight are still at large. Five have been arrested and are in custody in the United States or Great Britain.

In May 2001, four defendants were convicted after a nine-week federal trial during which prosecutors called over 90 witnesses, including al Qaeda informants and survivors of the bombings. Mohamed Rashed Daoud Al-Owhali and Khalfan Khamis Mohamed were convicted of conspiracy and murder and face the death penalty at their sentencing. Mohammed Saddiq Odeh and Wadih El Hage were convicted of conspiracy and both face life in prison. All of the defendants were represented by court-appointed attorneys and none testified on his own behalf. The jury deliberated for twelve days before reaching their verdicts on the 302-count indictment.
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We have the preserved testimony and the witnesses to put OBL away for life in a maximum security facility, or if we are very kind, and think we will not be creating another mythical martyr, send him on his way to eternity.

Plenty of people don't trust Hillary Clinton because they don't trust Bill. Personally, it didn't disturb me when Bill lied about his affairs because I didn't think it was any of my business. Frankly, I dig Bill Clinton. But for Hillary to blatantly volunteer untrue information in yet another of her desperate, straw-clutching attempts to grab the nomination is not only pathetic, it breeds mistrust. Clinton seems desperate for this nomination and gives the impression she'd do anything to take what she feels is rightly hers.

Hillary Clinton lied, plain and simple. She was proven wrong because we live in an age where everything is recorded, and has tried to backpedal since she's been called out on her lie.

Of course, any time a high-value dignitary from the U.S. travels to an unstable region, they're shrouded in security and whisked around to brief visits. Hillary Clinton has exaggerated the circumstances of her trip beyond anything resembling reality, and her feet ought to be held to the fire for it.

Unfortunately, the media is in the middle of its backswing about vetting & testing Obama. First it was Hillary taking all the heat, and her supporters (and SNL) began complaining about Obama's media-darling status. Now the pressure's on Obama to explain every other word out of his mouth. I'd love it if the media could handle scrutinizing all the candidates at the same time!

proudtobeGOP writes
"Obama and Clinton want to give constitutional protection to Osama Bin Laden and inform AlQaeda in advance of our plans upon their capture."

That's the beauty of our system. It is open to the world's scrutiny, because we have nothing to hide. Or, rather, that's supposed to be how it works. When we try criminals for unlawful behavior, we notify them of the crimes for which they are being charged, and explicitly allow them to mount a defense. That is why we make fun of countries that don't allow criminals to defend themselves. That is why we disparage countries that conduct only show trials, with secret evidence and non-existent defense teams. A core principle of this country is that we only convict the guilty, and that we are assured of their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The best way to defeat terrorism is to put them on trial before the world, proving that they are the criminals we say they are. Resorting to presenting evidence gained by torture or holding military-run show trials where the criminals aren't allowed to defend themselves - or even know the evidence presented against them - lowers us to the level of those banana republics we used to make fun of.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Tensions_quantified.html

I think we all knew this already. Whoever wins will have no assurance of winning in Nov because "A new Gallup analysis reveals that -- at this heated moment -- significant amounts of Democratic primary voters say they would take McCain in the general if their preferred candidate doesn't get the nomination."

How to end the Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama standoff

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/clintonobama-st.html

There is increased noise about getting this settled by Supers, before the Convention. It would seem the only solution. (not that it's going to be accepted by all.)

wpost, McCain condemns torture and you know it. The libs try to spin his recent vote, but it's not working. Americans know that McCain has always taken a principled stand against torture. Whether the Army Field Manual should be applied to every govt agency is a different question.

One provision in the recent legislation, (pushed by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, if that tells you anything) tried to establish a single interrogation standard requiring the intelligence community to abide by the same standards as articulated in the Army Field Manual.

John McCain, a former prisoner of war, has been an outspoken advocate against waterboarding. McCain has said the practice "is not a complicated procedure. It is torture." He has previously called waterboarding "very exquisite torture."

McCain voted against this bill because it tries to make things illegal that were already illegal. McCain doesn't oppose a ban on waterboarding.

Instead, he opposes the advertising of our methods and believes waterboarding is, and he has helped make it, illegal.

Obama and Clinton want to give constitutional protection to Osama Bin Laden and inform AlQaeda in advance of our plans upon their capture.

Meanwhile, John McCain, outlining his foreign policy positions on the heels of an overseas trip, today renewed his call for the United States to work more collegially with democratic nations and live up to its duties as a world leader.

"Our great power does not mean we can do whatever we want whenever we want, nor should we assume we have all the wisdom and knowledge necessary to succeed," the Republican said after returning from the Middle East and Europe. "We need to listen to the views and respect the collective will of our democratic allies."

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Would all sound more authentic if he weren't wiling to walk all over the Geneva Conventions and our other treaties by supporting torture. Straight Talk Express still has some flat wheels.

"Your efforts to silence opposition sounds much like Ws and Nixon s"

Wrong again. I have encouraged you to post many times. Your posts have the same manic, entertaining tone as the Iraqi information minister who spoke of Americans dying in the deserts, the AMerican invasion has been repulsed, etc. If you are not as brave as he, you are more than a match for him in doggedness. Imagine, spinning Hillary's being caught red-handed lying about her foreign policy experiences into Barack is a dishonorable coward.

You can talk like that all you want. Don't let me stop you.

Senator Clinton's Tusla story is a blip... It may add slightly to the sense of her as inauthentic, but it won't be decisive. Part of the reason for that is the drama of what is going on with Obama over the Wright association. Obama has touched the third rail of American politics, our rage-filled racial history. He has made an extraordinary choice to grab hold of that third rail and to channel and contain all of its power. It's a heroic choice, but one that might destroy him as a candidate. Hillary's silly exaggeration seems pretty boring compared to what's going on with Obama.

I love Hillary Clinton but I chose Obama over Clinton several months ago because I became convinced he has the potential to be a transformational figure in American politics. Will Americans step up, and be transformed? I don't know. It's catch and go right now.

leichtman - I, for one, find false claims about foreign policy experience to be a more valid discussion topic than somebody's pastor. Keep throwing it out there, though, maybe it'll stick. Good thing all us Pennsylvanians know better than you! Get ready for the fun to be over, friends. The clock is ticking on this circus.

mark in austin writes
"The inability of the Iraqis to take advantage of the breather they got is not the fault of the ones who provided the breather."

I agree, in-so-much as agreeing that the military did its job. The State Dept, on the other hand, seems to have not. Or our own political leaders. Do we have a special envoy, or someone taking charge of the non-military aspect of the Iraq problem? When Mahmoud Ahmadinejad visits Baghdad as an honored guest of Nouri al Malaki and we can't get the Iraqi gov't to agree on some basic provisions critical to their ability to self-govern, its a sign that the 'surge' is not going to produce the results we desire in Iraq.

Dear Washington Post comments board:

I wanted to apologize for misspeaking the other day when I claimed to be the Queen of England. What I meant was that with the beautiful day and a decent night's sleep, I felt like royalty. It just came out wrong.

Also, when I posted last week that in my spare time I had discovered the cure for all cancers (a little lemon juice mixed with pulverized oregano), I just misspoke. What I really meant was that honey-lemon tea sure feels great when you have a cold. I don't know, it must have been a string of typos that just by coincidence formed correctly spelled words in valid grammatical arrangement. I have not, in fact, discovered the cure for cancer.

Finally, it was a misstatement when I declared that I won the National League Most Valuable Player award while manning shortstop for the Nats last year. What I meant to say is that I was once the second best hitter on my apartment building's softball team. I regret the misstatement.

I hope you realize that I say many things during the course of a day, or a year, and as such there are bound to be misstatements and misspeakings. I trust this will not effect your opinion of my honesty and forthrightness.

Sincerely,
B2O2
Prime Minister of Canada

'But that does mean his support of the surge was a poor decision. The inability of the Iraqis to take advantage of the breather they got is not the fault of the ones who provided the breather.'

yes, but you know the definition of insanity -- to do something over and over expecting to get a different result. he has already been saying stay the course and escalate for 5 years now, expecting somethging different to happen.

wpost is suggesting that Sen Obam is not driving this story. I would be happy to paste all of Sen Obama's communications about it if you refuse to believe that he has absolutely no interest in driving this story and would rather answer why he even today to totally distance himself from Pastor Wright.
If there is no danger in traveling to a war zone then we should ask Al Franken,John Kerry and Jo Biden about their helicopter rides where we all worry about their safety(at least I fear for all of their safety and presume others here do). Does the military try to keep these entertainers and politicians out of harm's way? We should all hope so.

MarkinAustin: This Bosnia thing with Hillary was a flat out LIE, and I don't think there is any way to say otherwise. I don't understand why she would do something like this that is so STUPID. I can think of no way to make an excuse for a flat out LIE by anyone. I was lucky to have served between Korea and Viet Nam, but how this " FALSE Remembering" came about is beyond me. I think it was a good thing for her to visit the troops in a volatile situation, and showed courage. She needed to get rid of Penn and Wolfson a long time ago, but it is to late now.

Leichtman, you have totally missed the point. You argument is utterly irrelevent.

What no one seems to be mentioning with regards to this issue is the fact that lies and deceit are in fact dangerous when wielded by people of power.

4,000 dead is the sad number built upon lies. If we as the electorate willfully accept the bending and fracturing of the truth (no matter how self-serving or trite), as something that politicians do then we are undeserving of the patriotism we so readily wear on our sleeves.

bonjedi you arw right as always. Sen Kerry an Biden were not in danger when their helicopter went down in Afghanistan and Franken an Hillary were wrong to be visiting the troops. I am sure that all of our troops will agree with you that its time they all stop these visits of course unless its Sen Obana visiting the troops which we know you will call noble. Your efforts to silence opposition sounds much like Ws and Nixon s efforts to stop us when we protested the war which I am sure that you will understand.Intimidation and your constant insults were old last week, now they are just boring.

"Clinton sees herself as a heroine?" Oh, no, she sees herself as much more than that. Remember one of her disciples, Carville, called Gov. Richardson "Judas" for not supporting her. What do you think that makes Hillary (in the minds of her disciples)?

She is a legend in her own mind.

BTW, IMHO, Richardson is ten times more qualified than Obama and Clinton combined. And he has a right to support whoever he thinks is best for the country.

should be "...does not mean..."

I heard McC on POTUS'08 and it was a strong presentation. I still want him to flesh out a strong diplomatic initiative, which he has only alluded to on Charlie Rose. I do think the events of the day caught up with him a bit - the violence in Iraq is peaking again.
But that does mean his support of the surge was a poor decision. The inability of the Iraqis to take advantage of the breather they got is not the fault of the ones who provided the breather.

Clinton is showing a propensity for seeing herself as more important and more of a 'hero' than the facts support. This sort of thing is expected as a campaign tactic, but she apparently believes it until confronted with incontrovertible evidence, such as video. It shows a disturbing pattern, whether Bosnia, NAFTA meetings, Northern Ireland, or any of the rest of her inflated claims to glory.

As the dems trade barbs, mired in their nomination skirmishes, Americans and interested parties the world over are wondering....who will get anything done for this country?

Meanwhile, John McCain, outlining his foreign policy positions on the heels of an overseas trip, today renewed his call for the United States to work more collegially with democratic nations and live up to its duties as a world leader.

"Our great power does not mean we can do whatever we want whenever we want, nor should we assume we have all the wisdom and knowledge necessary to succeed," the Republican said after returning from the Middle East and Europe. "We need to listen to the views and respect the collective will of our democratic allies."

He again called for creating a new global compact of more than 100 democratic countries to advance shared values and defend shared interests. He also advocated anew a successor to the Kyoto Treaty.

As he has before, he said the country should work with friendly African governments but demand both transparency and the rule of law, and he set a goal of eradicating malaria on the continent.

He also said the United States should lead a global nuclear disarmament effort as he called for a renewed commitment to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

Meanwhile, the Dems dither away until Denver.

"are you suggesting that Hillary s appearance with the troops in Bosnia was somehow dishonorable? "

Why don't you quit wasting our time and find the honor in manufacturing this episode? Do you understand why you are likened to a crow, cawing the same thing over and over?

Where is the honor in exchanging flowers with Sheryl Crow at a peaceful airport, then telling people you were caught in an exchange of gunfire and mouthing it like a shrill crow on the campaign trail? How is Obama's teaching dishonorable? Are you saying there is no honor in it? Do you have any other professions that are dishonorable? Priests? Nurses? Engineers?

Remember how Gore was so effectively attacked as the "father of the internet?" Well there was some context for that: he was the chairman of the armed services committee and a principal supporter of the ARPAnet which morphed into the internet. On the other hand there is no context that softens Hillary's out and out fabrication of "experiences" Her "dodging bullets in Bosnia" and her self-reported aborted attempt as a pregnant woman to join the Marines in 1975 are, how shall I put it , complete lies for political advantage.

The Republicans will make mince meat of her lies and character flaws if she runs in November. Added to her already high negatives among the population at large, she has no chance at all of winning the presidency.

The democratic leaders (a contradiction in terms) should prevail on her to drop out of the nomination race now, and unite behind Obama, for the good of the party's chances in November.

(If Obama is not the nominee, I am voting for Nader. Now there's a candidate of real change.)

Don't forget neighboring South Dakota. Obama country-you betcha!

Take her at her word? Pardon me, but I don't. It's pretty difficult to "misspeak" while giving prepared remarks. The fact that she told this story several times points to her mendacity. She's trying to paint herself to be the foreign policy expert, ready to lead on "day one." That backfired. In fact she was a First Lady, performing mostly ceremonial duties. The line about if it's too dangerous to send the president, send the first lady is also a falsehood that strains the imagination. It's just a continuation of the 1990s, when the Clintons would say whatever was politically expedient.

"I repeat: do most of us think that WaPo should consider barring "jreno19?"

No kidding. Lifetime. Posting the same lies over and over is robotic anyway, not to mention racist.

Leichtman responded to my "embarrassment" for having defended him as "serious" yesterday and said:

"ok mark are you suggesting that Hillary s appearance with the troops in Bosnia was somehow dishonorable?"
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The reason it's major is the way in which she spoke about it, as if it were a very fond, well-remembered experience, with even a certain ebullience, as if she was very proud of it all. This was not just a little slip but a clear effort to embellish to make herself look better. Makes her untrustworthy. What hasn't she exaggerated, one must ask.

Obama's efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.

The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten's of billions.

Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports.

Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats.

Two years ago, Iraq's Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin "Tony" Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON --
Recently, Obama's campaign staff have been vetted by the IRS to disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges -- Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and disclose Obama's MUSLIM Farrakhan mob connection to Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Its minister, and Obama's spiritual adviser, is the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. In 1982, the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Every year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness." That man is Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church are trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. Obama should stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke "GLORK" Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He is MAD!!! --

OBAM YOU'RE NO JFK --

"GLORK" Obama looks like Alfred E. Newman: "Tales Calculated To Drive You." He is a MUSLIM "Glork" He's MAD!!! Alfred E. Neuman is the fictional mascot of Mad. The face had drifted through American pictography for decades before being claimed by Mad editor Harvey Kurtzman after he spotted it on the bulletin board in the office of Ballantine Books editor Bernard Shir-Cliff, later a contributor to various magazines created by Kurtzman.
Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek.

Michelle Obama should be ashamed.

"GLORK" Michelle Obama should be ashamed of her separatist-racist connection to Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. If Michelle Obama new what her husband -- the Hope-A-Dope, Fonster Monster -- Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama did in Harlem, she would wash her wide-open, Hus-suey loving MUSILM mouth out, with twenty-four (24) mule-team double-cross X-boX-BorraX. He is a MUSLIM "Glork" It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He's MAD!!!

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

THE SPEECH --

The Apologia has arrived and once again the self-indicting, separatist-racist Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama, promises to heal the wounds of the world. The speech is the rude awakening of mass messianism of his campaign. Apologetically, Obama the MUSLIM double-cross X-boX-BorraX has an astonishingly empty two-prawn echelon explanation of his misjudgment.
In the first prawn: with regard to his connection to separatist-racist Rev. Wright; Obama summons voodoo and juju to express slavery as beginning and ending with the Rev. Wright.
In the second prawn: Obama's speech takes credit for Ashley's dream. A dream of unity Martin Luther King, Jr. borrowed from Ashley for his historic "I Have A Dream" speech. In Obama's speech, the connective bond Ashley, the elderly black man and Obama's grandmother share; represents Obama's self-indicting rise to the Harvard Yard. For Obama, the grand flag of language is the semi-fore of words, bestowed upon our nation by the messiah-alumni from Harvard. Obama's Swoon-Song Apologia to the nation represents a failed hymn -- a hymn that fails to heal the nation, repair the world, or make this time different than all the rest. Obama's speech is a brilliant failure.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Snipers in the night exchanging glances
Wond'ring in the night
What were the chances we'd be sharing a lie
Before the night was through.

Something in her eyes was so decieving,
Something in her smile was so calculating,
Something in her heart,
Told me I must avoid her.

Snipers in the night, they're lonely people
They were strangers in the night
Even in the moment
When they didn't shoot a single salvo.
Little did she know
DC was just a campaign away,
A long demanding decade away and -

Ever since that night we were ne'er together.
Liars at first sight, in cahoots forever.
It turned out not right,
For snipers in the night.

DC was just a campaign away,
A long demanding decade away -

Ever since that night we weren't together.
Liars at first sight, in denial forever.
It turned out not right,
For snipers in the night.

Do dody doby do
do doo de la
da da da da ya

ok mark are you suggesting that Hillary s appearance with the troops in Bosnia was somehow dishonorable? I admire the entertainers including Al Franken who have traveled to honor our brave troops. Sorry mark I am not backing off. Its always easier to stand on the sidelines then to cast a vote or travel and be with the troops and then attack your opponent. Hillary volunteered to honor the troops mark and I regret you don t appreciate that argument. Why can we not ask Swn Obama anything like exaxtly what he did to help with the war in Bosnia? Did he write a paper, give a speech or say anything at all mark? Fine he was a law school prof in the 90s but how does that equate with Hillary s time and service as fiirst lady and exactly why is that unsir to ask? Thanks for standing up for me but I can take the heat.

mark_in_austin:

A little hard finding your post amongst all the jreno19 detritus ....

Yes, thanks for reminding me about the UC affirmative action flap. It was a big deal in the Asian-American community at the time, particularly because the Asian-American chancellor of UC Berkeley was a proponent of affirmative action.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

THE SPEECH --

The Apologia has arrived and once again the self-indicting, separatist-racist Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama, promises to heal the wounds of the world. The speech is the rude awakening of mass messianism of his campaign. Apologetically, Obama the MUSLIM double-cross X-boX-BorraX has an astonishingly empty two-prawn echelon explanation of his misjudgment.
In the first prawn: with regard to his connection to separatist-racist Rev. Wright; Obama summons voodoo and juju to express slavery as beginning and ending with the Rev. Wright.
In the second prawn: Obama's speech takes credit for Ashley's dream. A dream of unity Martin Luther King, Jr. borrowed from Ashley for his historic "I Have A Dream" speech. In Obama's speech, the connective bond Ashley, the elderly black man and Obama's grandmother share; represents Obama's self-indicting rise to the Harvard Yard. For Obama, the grand flag of language is the semi-fore of words, bestowed upon our nation by the messiah-alumni from Harvard. Obama's Swoon-Song Apologia to the nation represents a failed hymn -- a hymn that fails to heal the nation, repair the world, or make this time different than all the rest. Obama's speech is a brilliant failure.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

My comment about Sen Kerry was an anology to show how easy it is to stand on the sidelines and throw stones and nothing else just like its easy for Sen Obama to constantly stand on the sidelines and throw stones.
Posted by: leichtman | March 26, 2008 12:40 PM

But your analogy was totally out of sync. Sen. Kerry didn't make up his military service....
The issue with Clinton isn't that she was there; sure it was honorable that she was there. However, the problem is she embellished (at the very least) the situation and her role in it. She wasn't taking "sniper fire" as she claimed.
Have you watched the video?

CHRIS!!! CHRIS!!!

PLEASE BAN "jreno" -- PLEASE, BEFORE I START PULLING OUT MY FINGERNAILS!!

now that he's been endorsed by former First Lady Nancy Reagan, I think we should have a blog about that.

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oh, definitely! I can't WAIT to hear what her astrologist says!

"just like its easy for Sen Obama to constantly stand on the sidelines and throw stones. Again where and what was he doing during the Bosnian war my guess was not much."

Your defenses of Clinton become more and more absurd. No one is calling out Clinton because she went to Bosnia (although you are under the impression that she went there to fight), and calling someone out on their BS story is not "throwing stones."

And your "guess" about what Obama was doing is just that - a guess, the same sort of sloppy conjecture and mental short-cuts that buttress every one of your "arguments."

But please, respond. As the Clinton camp is so adept at moving goalposts, you are a Jedi at moving that corner you keep backing towards.

"Did she have security clearance?"

Aha! Now we're getting somewhere!

Let the record show that she never had security clearance as First Lady, and therefore could not have engaged in high level negotiations or diplomacy that was meaningful beyond "what kind of soup would the Prime Minister like for lunch when visiting the WH" or "How much did you say you will you be donating to the Clinton library?".

But, she IS on the senate Armed Services Committee, unlike Obama. That should be a prereq for POTUS, imo.

John McCain is a ranking member of said committee, and now that he's been endorsed by former First Lady Nancy Reagan, I think we should have a blog about that.

Hello Chris,

First, I liked your borrowed phrase "hitting the ground running." It's very appropriate as it appears HRC hit the ground running with her pantsuit on fire for lying.

This is a very big deal. The Clintons made so much noise about Barack Obama using words from his co-chair Deval Patrick.

However, this is a fabrication of huge proportion. Sadly, it is not the only one. Clinton has lied about her role in Northern Ireland. This has made some people of Irish origin in PA very mad. She lied about Kosovo and negotiating the border opening. She lied about NAFTA. She lied about some many other issues.

This is a worrying pattern which confirms what that sage David Geffen said, that the Clintons like so easily it's scary.

Her pretence of hitting the ground running will give the Republicans a Christmas present similar to Michael Dukakis masquerading as tough on security in tank.
Clinton is damaged goods. She is padding her CV to hoodwink the Americans and the rest of the world about her credentials. This is damaging because it is a pattern of lies and the Republicans must be smiling.

I am an Obama supporter. However, I think my opinion on this issue is not colored by my support, in actuality, it is illustrative of why I have chosen to support Obama over Clinton in the first place.

Clinton is touting the experience card as the primary logic for her candidacy. I have a number of problems with this, starting with the fact that out of those "35 years" only 7 are as an elected official. The only other Democratic candidate originally running with less elected experience was John Edwards (6 years), and yet Obama (11 years) is painted as the inexperienced waif.

Second, if in fact this experience derives mostly from her 20 year history as a First Lady, 8 as the US First Lady, as it must considering it is the bulk of her resume, several problems arise. If this First Lady experience truly prepared her "on day one" to be President, perhaps she had more influence on her husband's administration than the public knew about OR the Constitution allows. If her relationship to her husband, and the concept that he will somehow be in charge or co-leading with Clinton, influences her supporters, the same question emerges. Bill Clinton has served two terms, he cannot serve a third. And if, in fact, Hillary Clinton was co-leading for two terms, providing her with this unique "experience," she has also served her permitted terms.

Third, as a young woman, I am extremely wary of the first viable female candidate running for the Presidency whose basis for experience extends directly and almost exclusively from that of her husband. If her primary experience derives from that relationship, I expect that her own work during that time should be relevant and strong enough to justify her Presidential ambitions. If she is embellishing stories from that time and feels it is appropriate to single herself out as the most courageous of all recent First Ladies, as she has, I expect those stories to be bullet-proof (pardon the pun).

Finally, if she is too tired and forgetful to "misremember" this incident multiple times, despite having written about it herself, perhaps she isn't the person I'd like answering that phone at 3 AM.

The questions was whether this is a blip or a lingering fish.

From an independent (non-zealot lean), I think it started as a blip, but will gather steam in the coming weeks. Only because it gave the opening for other major statements that are not totally represented by facts. Easily verified by data (video, WH schedules, speech transcripts etc.)

Right or wrong this is already happening; the Northern Ireland peace negotiations flap is again being brought out, her meetings and speeches in support of NAFTA etc.

I for one think that if HRC would have run on her own accord, without attaching herself with some credit to the Bill years - this debate would not be happening - she would have garnered the nomination long ago. Since it would be HRC running on her own merits post WH, which is a pretty good record. The flawed campaign strategy is what is failing not the candidate.

IMHO for these reasons the issue is far from over - since she has attached and included the WH years (mistake) to her resume - everything is fair game. And she will get a bum rap for all that was "perceived" as negative during this time.

PS - Get off the negative attacks, it makes you look desparate and gives the air of anything to win. Us indies are pulling for something new and not a return to the old king.

exactly what have you done to serve this country? I will put my service up against your juvenile post aay day

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You used to complain hourly against personal attacks on this blog, and now you are questioning other's service to their country?? How exactly does this speak to the issue(s)?

Lick me is a good representative of the pending clinton melt-down.

the response to "clinton is a liar" is to retort - have you ever lied?

the response to she didn't singlehandedly win the bosnian war is "did you?"

Latest poll shows Barack back up in NC by 19. Very good news for him.

I think the episode is very, very damaging. It isn't the fact that she lied, but how and why she lied, especially in the latest instance where she delivered her version of the trip in such a natural manner, with such conviction (smiles and body a