THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR OPPOSING (FREEZING) the Fee Trade Agreement FTA.
FROM LEFT DEMOCRAT UNIONS IN COLOMBIA
As all democrat USA workers and you have rightly sensed Ms. Pelosi, the infamous Colombian "Free Trade Agreement" could be the only impediment to avoid our ideal and idyllic and central proletarian-workers controlled future in our country. The actual very real reason why we the Colombian and American Chavistic democrat unions oppose the FTA is not "the killings of 2.700 unionists in 20 years in Colombia" as this FTA what really affects is not the lowest and unfortunately decreasing number ever organized unions of ours, but 44 million living Colombian citizens.
As Ms Pelosi and democrat unions in America do, THE TRUTH instead is that in all honesty, we really deeply hate all three words: WE HATE FREE as it means that our next future democrat socialistic leader, alter ego of our future Gran Colombian unions unifier President Hugo Chavez will not be able to nationalize, control and direct the economy in favor of our people and against the "free" capitalistic entrepreneurs that pretend to "freely" exploit and "trade" our labor to export "agreed" goods to the Yankees. WE HATE TRADE as it corrupts the mind of our people into capitalistic consumist behaviors of American goods, and WE HATE AGREEMENT because it is the betrayal to all our goals, on behalf of our actual unconditional 110% pro American ally (puppet-server) president Uribe in "agreement" with your evil-republican president Bush.
Therefore, ANY REAL OR MADE UP EXCUSE you Ms Pelosi and USA democrat workers use to please oppose the FTA with Colombia is valid and supports greatly our ideals. Within our context, a leftist revolutionary war now 50 years old, per each 100.000 inhabitants in Colombia only 4 union workers are killed whereas 33 common civilians and 86 policemen die out of our internal revolutionary war. So, although the "2.700 unionists killed in 20 years" have never ever in the history of Colombia been so LOW like now, from 213 in 2001 before Uribe to 26 during this 100% PRO BUSH YANKEE REPUBLICAN URIBE government, and URIBE HIM SELF has made all our own victorious revolutionary terrorism-born paramilitary to demobilize, unarm and in jail, including 30 and more congressmen for the very first time in our 50 revolutionary years, this small fact can easily be media-ticaly ignored, in exactly the way American democrat workers and you Ms Pelosi are doing.
Fortunately, our Army of the People, the glorious FARC has killed and kidnapped (2.000 per year including 3 "free trader"-supporter Americans now for 6 years) and so many more hundred of thousands of civilians and "free trade" entrepreneurs and capitalistic exporters and democratic politicians. In the name of our glorious revolution we proudly count 649 kids and 6.043 adults amputated and killed just by our land mines, so that just this is well over so many more than any "killed of our union workers" in our leftist revolutionary history. So far this proportion is really very satisfactory to us. Any how, for sure our and your strength Ms Pelosi is that one union worker killing is so much more valid and noisy that 44 million "free traders" or hundreds of civilians kidnapped some now for more than ten years, you just can easily inveRt this minor truth for the purpose of disproving that evil republican unfair and forced FTA.
Actually for us workers in Colombia, like in VENEZUELA, our real goal is to diminish and eliminate all private entrepreneurial capitalistic exploitation of man by man. Its our socialistic revolutionary fight against those who "free"ly export and "trade" our labor and raw materials. Our goal is to concentrate all the economy in the hands of a good centralized social liberal democrat workers-only government parallel to that of Hugo Chavez the great democrat-workers-unions-unifier of the world. The revolution source in Venezuela is the oil that the American people suck and pays for, and in Colombia it will be the cocaine that our revolutionary Army of the People FARC protects, control and export and trade for huge revenues to arm and feed our people against any "free" what ever "trade" exporters. Yes Senator Pelosi you are SO right, we do not need any help or "trade" exports nor any "free" industry-entrepreneurs to export any other goods to any other country or market, less so we need yours, and we thank democrat party for opposing them by opposing this FTA.
Peoples approval of our actual capitalistic "democratic" president Uribe by 83% of our 83% politically wrong people is also a factual proof of the above, but don't worry. This never before seen 83% approval after 6 years in power, does not relate to us, the actual REAL FREEDOM fighters killers and kidnapers revolutionaries proud to be and do, democrat unions that oppose Bush consumistic, capitalistic and "free trade" entrepreneurial non governmental controlled FTA.
Opening you markets to our exporters exploitative "free trade" entrepreneurs can be the very worst thing you can do for our democrat ideals CHAVISTIC Unified Latin democrat Unions for centralized economy and social socialistic revolutionary justice. Please do NOT allow that evil president of yours to approve the FTA with our country and against our people and our real goals and ideals. We deeply thank you Ms Pelosi and American democrat worker-union-voters in advance for all your efforts in this regard. The less FTA you give Colombia, the bigger our revolutionary Army of the People FARC will do in agreement with our glorious Gran Colombian democrat workers-union unifier: HUGO CHAVEZ FRIAS.
PS. Admired and respected Ms. Pelosi, we also know you will please certainly succeed in eliminating all the moneys given to the "Plan Colombia" that is so badly hurting our revolutionary forces, and will please abandon as well Irak (come on, WWI and WWII "freedom American heroes" ended also cowardly during and after our glorious revolutionary victory and your humiliated defeat in Vietnam). Your continued support to our socialistic workers unions armed nationalistic anti-global revolution and independence is more than greatly appreciated by our undisputed leader of Latin America HUGO CHAVEZ, in the name of all XXI century socialistic revolution in the world.
THANK YOU ALL DEMOCRAT AMERICA!!!!
COLOMBIAN FREEDOM FIGHTERS

Chris - you are so 'in the tank' for Obama!!! And you call yourself a journalist?!?

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Before sounding off in a vehicle like this, people need to go back and read the full text of Obama's "offending" remarks. Anyone with an ounce of brain-matter would see that they are far from being condescending or patronizing or critical, they are empathetic, sympathetic, and an astute interpretation of what he had been witnessing not only in Pa. but accross the nation, in the face of the Bush disaster, and the acquiesence of the old politics to the sad state of the world/

Wow! If HRC is given a pass for mispeaking (3 times) an event that happened to her, why are we being so hard on Obama for a possibly bad choice of words. I am sure he was not speaking down on anyone, but showing empathy and understanding instead.
Don't we all get tied up with words sometimes, especially when we are passonate about the subject.
Imagine HRC telling people who are feeling pain that in fact it is not pain they are feeling...and maybe she is so convincing, that they may actually be doubting that they are paining..

Obama statements are true?? He basically called the people in the small towns of Pennsylvania BIGGOTS. If he would have said that the American people are angry because of the economy, layoffs and inflation that would have been acceptable! However, he was expressing frustration with the people of Pennsylvania because they were not falling for his lies! He has been spending 4 times more in ads then Hillary and he continue to trail her. He basically called them Biggots and racist and used the RACECARD again. He implied the people in Pennsylvania would not vote for him because he is black. Adding that they were BITTER because they were unemployed therefore turning to guns, religion and biggotry!! This is exactly what he said and meant. This does not sound to me as anyone being compassionate, ampathetic or truthful!!

I am a 56 yeasr old life long resident of Pa. I am sending out a call to my fellow Pa. residents . WE all must stand up on April 22 for our state. We must let Mr. Obama know that the people of our state will not take his insults. Pa residents do not vote for the man who insulted us before the Nation. Mr. OBAMA insulted each and every one of us. If he can call us bitter a week before we go to the polls what can we expect of him once he is elected.

What seems to elude the myopic Clintonite is that Obama's remarks were a sympathetic interpretation --not a contemptuous dismissal --of the the attitudes he had seen on the road as he traveled through towns --small and large -- where there is legitimate bitterness.

Of course they will not wake up and see the truth. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

I am sick and tired of hearing people alleging that Obama was a practicing muslim who went to a Madrassa in Jakarta. Obama's school in Jakarta was a catholic school founded by THE DUTCH back when Indonesia was a DUTCH COLONY!!!

These remarks come from a country where apparently it is not a good thing to sound intelligent when you are running for president. This is what the WASP, Yale educated but not elitist president Bush has done for you:

Since 2004 America has gone from a budget surplus to being indebted to SAUDI ARABIA, CHINA and JAPAN. All thanks to Bush and his "aw shucks" approach to politics. Did you hear that? SAUDI ARABIA - the muslim, al qaeda harboring country you all fear - already owns your asses, and it is all your own fault because you voted for someone who was in touch with small town America.

Keep it up, Americans. Keep paying attention to non issues; soon your standard of living will be right down there with ours.

It's not so much the word "bitter" that was galling - it was that folks "cling to guns and religion..." and become xenophobic. Now Obama spins it to mean that we turn to what is good, to what gives us comfort, and he stresses church. But he does not answer the "gun" question. As if the pain of losing your job can be assuaged by killing a small animal. (So Cheney-like.) Michelle has been mysteriously missing for the last month - is the campaign afraid she will blurt out more of this condescending blather? Obama is the one who should step down and let America get on with the election.

It's true that in some towns and cities in Pennsylvania that people may be "bitter" because of the hard times that have befallen them over the past 20 to 40 years.

What needs to be noted is that some of these places are being revitalized--Bethlehem is a an excellent example of a comeback. Others are slow in being revived, and it will take time. Some of the problems in the hard-hit areas (Reading and Allentown among them) are caused by drug dealers and criminals coming in from outside the state looking for a cheap place to roost. Local officials are working on these problems, but it's hard to tell if Obama, Clinton, or McCain is fully aware of other problems there outside of the decline of manufacturing centers.

To Langx and others who use this forum to bash PA cities: I advise you to stay in context--the bitterness that Obama is talking about is found in the cities that used to specialize in manufacturing. It's true that people do feel bitter there, and for good reason.

It's stupid to criticize places like Collegeville and Malvern, which are rather prosperous and service-oriented suburbs of Philly. If you're bitter living in these places, it's because you can't get along with other people, not because you're suffering from a declining local economy.

Maybe a six-month "vacation" in a place like Flint, MI would give you perspective on REALLY unhappy people, who have been suffering for years. It's obvious you spent time only in the suburbs here in PA and that you have a personal ax grind about them.

After living through the last two decades of lying politicians, broken promises and wasted lives and money fighting a war that shouldn't have been started in the first place, yes, I am angry, frustrated and B-I-T-T-E-R ! [ you heard that right, Candy Crowley, Kitty Pilgrim, Lou Dobbs, Acosta et al !!!!!!!!]
And I am a very religious gun owner and an "E-L-I-T-S-T" to boot !! - - any problems with that ??!!

Baghdad "BOB" ( for Bitter-Old-Bastard)

Obama is easy to lie and his supporters do seem enamored by him. that does not excuse his overly educated, "we all know these unimportant and education challenged types" comment. Why are these people good enough to win the wars that keep us free? Good enough to put the food on the table that you eat. Good enough to manufacture the few things (in the US)left that make our lives easier? At least those products worked and the medicines they made were pure and didn't kill people like those from China. What is wrong with having a supportive religion and a gun to put meat on the table in hard times? I'll take a man (or woman) from Western Pa. over a lawyer any day.

I happen to live in one of these Midwest towns, you know, the one's where we used to have jobs before they were shipped over seas. People here in Michigan ARE bitter, they have been bitter for YEARS because promises of jobs and better tomorrows have gone unmeant from the Clinton and Bush administrations. What makes me sick is that Senator Obama speaks the truth and Hillary takes her talking points from the Republican party to attack him. What a shame that she will do anything to distract from her lies. I hope someone stops this before she does permanent damage to the party.

Hillary Clinton '08

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I will say this to many of you that think this wont hurt Mr. Obama. I was an undecided voter until about last week in which I had thought I might give Mr. Obama a chance and vote for him here in PA. HOWEVER, this is the absolute last straw... after the Pastor flap and other things that seemed to paint him into a shade of gray... I am now throwing my support behind Mrs. Clinton. I can also tell you that after having talks with other friends today (who were also undecideds leaning Obama) that they've rethought the whole idea too! SO, I think a lot who think this wont hurt Mr. Obama here in PA... I'm here to let you know that I'd hold my breath until the voting is over from PA.

It is not the comment of Senator Obama what caused the controversy, because he spoke the truth. It is the way he delivered it disassociating himself from those people that are bitter and cling to guns and religion. It is the same generalization describing his grandmother as a typical white woman. I certainly believe that Senator Obama and his wife, graduating from Yale are elitists.

OK. I have read them all. Ugh! Some of you folks are sick and in immediate need of professional help.

Let me summarize the previous postings for those readers who are cheating by skipping to the bottom of the thread.

Firstly, Mr. Obama was correct. Small-town America is hurting economically, and has been for years and years. They feel that no one cares about them and that the future will be worse than the present just as the present is worse than the past. Stating that fact will help him with voters in PA who want a president who sees and understands reality.

Secondly, Mr. Obama was wrong when he appeared to link that despair to religion and gun ownership. He will have to address those misstatements, and even so it will probably ding him in PA. Voters in PA are proud of their religion and/or gun ownership.

Thirdly, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. McCain have been rank opportunists, using Mr. Obama's "religion and guns" remark for political purposes. PA voters may not like that.

Fourthly, no one has begun to fashion a solution for the cause of the "bitterness and anger" --- the economic realities of the rust belt that extend to small towns across America. In all of our postings there was not a single statement of what can be done to improve the lives of the people --- to replace their despair with hope. The only mention of any possible way out was through education --- even though what is needed is good jobs, not higher educational attainment PA voters want solutions, not explications, so all of the candidates will probably be dinged here.

Fifthly, we were treated to a raft of messages about geneology that proported to address some issue that was beyond my capacity to follow. I am way to confused about what DNA reveals about distant relatives and some evil empire to note more than the observation made, maybe 200 postings ago, that at some point in the past we all had a common ancestor --- a point that may be the most important one on this discussion forum.

Finally, a lot of people seemed to like Mr. Obama, and a lot of people don't. Same goes for Mrs. Clinton and Mr. McCain. Reasoned discussion and learning sometimes took a back seat in the discussion forum to the echo-chamber of modern politics. In the long run, that bitterness and divisiveness does not serve the democracy any more than the bitterness of the small-towns provides good jobs.

What's your point about Obama's Grandma, April? Use some other thing to make it, because I can't make head nor tail of it..just a lot of wobbling on your part

Are citizens bitter over current political currents, government action or lack inaction, and economic conditions? Yes. How could they not be? Conservatives are bitter over the separation of church and state, the 2nd Amendment, liberals, and any environmental laws or regulations upon business. Liberals are bitter over the lack of EPA regulations, deregulation of the market. The erosion of civil rights, due process, posse commutates, intelligent design and the erosion of scientific thought in schools, and the war by design in Iraq. Both conservatives and liberals are bitter over the economy, and the Bush administration's mismanagement of the nation. How is it a false, out of touch, elitist, statement to say that Americans or people in Pennsylvania are upset, bitter, disenfranchised, or disgusted by their current or past governmental leadership? I would argue that it is their right to be upset. It is their patriotic duty to remain vigilant by bitterness toward bad policy and the subversion of the constitution. After the past 7 years of this administration I would turn to religion for help. God may be the only thing left once you throw out the Bill of Rights, the value of the dollar, or the thought of 4 more years of Bush dogma and policy.

Hillary Clinton Said on 04-13-08 that Barak Obama's "words are not reflective of the America she knows." Mrs. Clinton by that statement must feel that Americans are complacent, do not turn to religion for comfort, and do no care about the 2nd Amendment gun rights. What America is she living in? This Nation is full of people who have been swept up by religious movements due to either 911 or hard times, the search for meaning in life, and many other factors. This is not an advertisement for religion; rather it is only a fact of US trends in spirituality. Obama is correct when he said that many use religion to find solace. How is that statement elitist? It is stating reality. Do Americans have the right to be upset or bitter about the current administration, economy, war, civil rights, the rule of law, or corruption in Washington D.C.? I would think we do have a sense of bitterness over the past 15 years of Republican control of governmental policy. Even if you are a conservative or a liberal we all should be concerned over the future direction of the nation. Conservatives are always bitter especially on A.M. radio echo chambers we can hear the bitterness over social programs, liberalism, secularism, public schools, political correctness, and on it goes. As well liberal echo chambers are bitter over attacks upon the constitution, the system of checks and balances, presidential power, the fusing of church and state, the prolonged conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan, the deregulation of the big business, the rusting economy, plus much, much more. Hillary in one breath screams about how bad the Bush administration has been, while berating Obama for pointing out that citizens are fed up with government as it is now. This is double speaking from both Clinton and McCain. They claim we need change, yet they also claim that people are doing just fine and are working hard. Yes we are working hard at getting by. Yes, we do need change. When Obama points out that people have no place to turn other than faith due to the fact that government has failed them, he is painted as if he is talking down to Americans. I do not think so. He is talking to Americans who agree with him. We are sick and tired of being sick and tired. Americans are sick of honest words being taken out of context to win political favor. We are sick of an EPA that has failed to keep up with health damaging pollution, a FDA that cannot keep the food supply pure, a commerce dept. and corporations that let lead toys into the market place, a government that spends like a drunken sailor, and policy that has devalued the dollar beyond recognition. We need to think hard about what politician is truly in touch with reality.

here we go.

now, let's watch barack deliver a speech on the state of blue collar workers in america.

just like the pastor issue; try to cover it up with a speech so everyone will fawn over his BS.

It is beyond believable that Clinton is suddenly denying that people are upset, bitter, angry (whatever you want to call it- arguing about the exact word is just meaningless semantics) over their economic status. The fact that she is trying to spin this to make it look like stating that people are bitter is a form of looking down on them is laughable. How in the world is observing the truth of what he has encountered in PA- bitterness, anger at loss of jobs that have gone overseas or someplace cheaper or more convenient- how in the world is that "looking down" on people? Insanity.

And as far as the remarks about guns and religion- he is referring to the fact that those are the issues that people end up taking refuge in- he was not saying that it's wrong to do those things, he was saying- that people give up and feel hopeless in regards to changing things for themselves economically, and so they take refuge in the issues that they feel the govt does listen to them about. Which in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing- but what is not good about it is if they only pay attention to those other issues (hence the words "take refuge"), at the expense of abandoning any hope of change for themselves economically because they don't believe the words of the politicians anymore because they have heard it all before and nothing has changed. That's actually not looking down at people at all. It's an assessment of the social phenomenon that takes place. And if the people actually recognize what they are doing, then it actually can serve to be empowering to them. That is why Clinton and McCain are attacking him so much- it's pretty scary for them to think that maybe people would become empowered.
From what I have read- from most of the comments in many papers online- the majority of blue collar people responding are saying that he is being honest. It it only the Clinton supporters who are trying to spin this as if it is hurting him.

VAMMAP-- Obama isn't just some black man coming to PA. He's also from a white family with small-town roots in Kansas. Perhaps you can't conceive of such a thing.

I was laid off; I have medical bills of over $4000 a month.

To describe me as bitter is not called "showing contempt"; it is called "recognizing the situation".

How have the Clinton's gone from, "feeling your pain" to "lets pretend your pain doesn't exist"?

Question for the reporter: is there any news to be found by asking Republicans what they think of a comment made by their opponent? "OMG - a Republican strategist thinks a Democrat has made a mistake! Can we get this on the front page before deadline?"

The uproar over this issue is just a further example of what is wrong with our current political leadership. Rather than facing up to the truth that many blue-collar, small town Americans are having a hard time economically the Washington Establishment candidates Clinton and McCain blast Obama's comments as 'condescending.' The fact is that they need the voters to continue focusing on wedge issues such as guns and religion so they can avoid being held accountable for their continual reliance on special interests and their utter failure to represent the American people.

Clearly, Obama's choice of words was less than ideal, but if Hillary wants us to consider her tall tale of experience under sniper fire as just a mispoken moment similar to McCain's constant mischaracterizaion that Iran is behind Al Quaeda in Iraq then she should face up to the fact that the gist of what Obama said is correct.

It's interesting to read the comments at the top of this blog from the Republican consultants--the very people who developed this strategy to con hard working, middle-class workers into believing the real problem was people taking away their guns, "godless atheists," and those who believe in teaching evolution. What does Mitt Romney's consultant know about the problems of middle-class workers? What does John McCain's consultant know about being laid off, because of the "free trade" agreements, signed for the benefit of well-paid corporate executives? The same could be asked of these same consultans who established Nixon's racist "Southern Strategy" in the 60's. The whole idea was to distract working peoples' attention away from the inexorable shifting of wealth from the middle class to the upper class, by getting middle class workers to get excited about non-issues.

What's curious to me is that two white establishment politicians are accusing a black community organizer who was raised in a single parent family as being elitist. Hmmmm....Say what?

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Bloggers who have read the complete text of Obama's statements see hypocracy and contradiction.

Obama says race isn't the reason white blue collar workers may not vote for him. But if that's true, why would it matter whether or not his message was delivered by a "46 year old black man named Barack Obama."
This is a contradiction that can't be ignored.

On the tape, the California donors laughed and got the joke Obama was trying to convey -- white provincial voters may not be able to relate to a black man with such a diverse background, according to Obama.

A black man whose campaign about hope has come to white small towns in PA and is criticizing white voters for their cultural propensities, which are common in small towns, particularly in red states; this isn't just a "bitter" message, it's a anti-white message.

If you put this in context with his statements about Wright and black people, there's a double-standard.

I am a bitter, unemployed, and angry Pennsylvanian, who has now found a candidate to support. I am fed up with politicians, who have done nothing but get themselves re-elected with little regard for the frustrations of middle America. If you can't honestly describe the problem, you aren't going to work for a solution to the messes this country faces. Please, not this time....

What a country! A person telling the truth is being questioned. Rightly so, if people think that they are tired of politician's elections promise and turning to Guns and religions, then, he is right. The question is how many? very few. Who knows he may be right. Think about Virgina Tech mass occur and that burst of that nut that we have seen on screen. To what extant such type of social bitterness is turning to Guns. Unfortunately, the Guns and religion are both parties silent tools to win elections. One is pro and other is against it. They both get share depending on where and how many voters fall in respective category. At the end of the election, they do nothing to improve and bring back this issue again to get some vote. That is what he was saying. YOu need a real smart head to understand his message. The question is how many of us willing to understand. Since he is Obama, opponent only look for opportunity to bring him down and do not want to discuss the issue. Remember, He said virtually nothing on McCan's second Iraq's remark in senate hearing, he said virtually noting about Mrs. Clinton's Bosnia story and her tax return and said only one or two occasion about her running a fragile campane. So folks, he is Obama and he should get very tight scrutinize. At the end, opportunists always looses. Remain to be seen how best he is. The voter has already split out between democrat, so its not that much harm that Clinton can do. MeCan should be very careful because if keep raising about these non-issue and make a stark difference in his policy, people will make up their mind .

There's no distortion, in fact, they wanted to cover it up. But full context to what he said hasn't even been given....here it is:

"Misgivings, and video, on the San Francisco story
Marc Cooper, the editor of the Off the Bus project for which Mayhill Fowler, an Obama donor who taped and wrote about Obama's San Francisco remarks, has an interesting rumination on the affair, including the misgivings that wound up burying the comments in Fowler's broader discussion of Obama.
"It wasn't easy for her to write a piece that she knew, while truthful and accurate, would nevertheless be used by his political opponents," he writes.
ALSO: Whether video of the event surfaces is going to have a real impact on how much this story hurts Obama, and Cooper suggests it may:
"Let it also be noted that there were approx 100 videocams whirring away inside the room as Barack spoke," he writes.

http://marccooper.com/

Bob in DC (probably 200 posts ago) summarized it nicely. This won't hurt BO in any significant way.

Somewhere in the hue and cry today, I thought I saw a very apt thought ascribed to the "bitter" thing. It was the very same thought I have presented in question form to many, like me, who go to work every day and do something in exchange for money - "How do you vote against nearly every self-interest by voting Republican?" And the answer nearly every time was something about gay marriage, abortion, or some other belief that if you aren't Republican you are a godless wretch to be feared.
And the sad thing is that after losing a pension, insurance, house, and sometimes a job, many do take refuge in their religion. It's sad because by doing so, they really don't get bitter; cuz after all, god has a plan and it will all be ok. Just keep voting against your interests, and don't forget to put some of your (taxable) unemployment check in the basket.

This is so silly....
What is beautiful about this process is that it has become so easy to see the trickery from the truth!

The entire time Obama has mentioned he was running for office. Every dirty hateful remark has been made about him and the people that support him.

Barack Obama has been the only candidate who has been truthful and helpful the American Political situation.

Even if he does not win, he would be the only person who has done anything to bring the American people together! Just by being sensitive, thoughtful, and truthful to the American people!

Is there one other candidate who has not been apart of some sad personal scandal that totally contradicts there TV face?

I respect Barack Obama because he respects the voters!

You got my vote AMERICAN HERO!

So telling the truth is a no-no. You have lie like Hillary and the Current Occupant. After 8 yrs people haven't learned when their being played by those who claim to be "one of them" until they're elected?

Soooo, Hillary's aiming to be the gal you want to have a beer with. She's run her campaign like shrub governs. They both value loyalty above competence, fiction above truth, and their entitlement over fairness. Bush III is Hillary.

What Obama said is correct! He could have been a little more articulate but he was answering a question not giving a speech...

Bottom line is that not only blue collar workers but the middle class as well is very bitter. I think most people will see through this and realize that the two mega millionaires - Hillary & McCain is merely trying to posture and believe we are idiots.

They are the ones who are pondering and condescending not Obama.

Can anyone tell me what this guy believes in or what he plans to do about anything....all this change he keeps blathering about. And please if you do know pleas answer me with some substance not just the same broad statement that he uses everyday.

Posted by: Kyle D | April 13, 2008 2:57 AM

Go to Obama campaign website; it has all you need, but on Ayers and Dohrn good luck!

Do you know what is sad? Obama is the only really interesting, honest candidate. The media (and, naturally, his opponents) are using this to crucify him. However, what he said was, in fact, true. Obama understands what is happening in middle America better than the other two candidates.

Spinning this past Pluto and way, waaayyy out of context is playing wonderfully into the Republicans' hands.

However, politics is nasty. And most Americans are too busy to become anything less than naive. Which is why we keep getting lousy leaders.

If Hillary thinks this benefits her in the long run, she's dead wrong. She'll be left with a terminally fractured Democratic party - and victory will be McCain's.

Can anyone tell me anything this empty suit obama plans to do if elected. I've listend to too many of his speeches and all I hear is some guy trying to sound very eloquent while speaking in broad generalities while never making a single point or coming up with one useful idea. I've heard him say that change has to start from the bottom up not from the top down...... meaning from the individual not the government. However his only solution for anything is to raise taxes and have the government step in as big brother and tell us how to live our lives. This guy talks and talks and never says anything at all. He speaks in broad general statements and tops it off with " and thats the change we want" and blah blah blah. And all the easily misled lemmings jump up and down and clap and cheer yes we can. Anyone who actually believes this guy is someone who has their best interest in mind truly lacks the ability to think indenpendently and reach conclusions on his or her own. Why dont you guys actually do some research on "Black liberation theology" which is what has been spewed in his church....in his presence for the last 20 years. Research a little of that and you'll understand why he dosent wear his american flag pin or cover his heart when the national anthem is being played. Research that and you'll understand why he still associates with terrorists like William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn who bombed buildings on American soil. You'll usnderstand why he gets indorsments from the black panther party. And whats sad is that even if you had the intellectual honesty to acknowledge these things as the truth most of you obama robots will still vote for this empty suit bigot. That is because as I said, you lack the ability to think and make decisions for yourself..... you need to have you hand held by someone else and be told what to think and do. So again I'll ask. Can anyone tell me what this guy believes in or what he plans to do about anything....all this change he keeps blathering about. And please if you do know pleas answer me with some substance not just the same broad statement that he uses everyday.

It is amazing how words are moved in or out of context to distort the words and sentiments of others. For example: A few month ago Rove was saying the Congress made Bush invade Iraq, and who controls the Congress? Thus, Democrats made Bush attach Iraq? True or false? Stuff like this is what many are posting.

After 20 years of of Bush-Clinton-Bush, and the last eight with Chaney and Rove, many of you seem to believe that brief clips or a few sentences will derail Obama or in the alternative will lessen his chance of winning in the primary and/or general election. If this is so it was over before it started.
So am I to believe that Hillary was shot at in Bosnia, and McCain did in fact know the differences between the Shia and Sunnis in Iraq?

Of course small town and rural America could not possible be pissed with the poverty many life among? A primary point is that folks who need to believe this stuff would have found something else if not for this matter. So tell me about Bosnia and McCain's memory? Sinbad maybe?

Leichtman and I have both taken a ton of unnecessary crap from Obama supporters.

The blogs are filled with this same kind of Pastor Wright hate on... poisonous stuff: blind veneration, crazed cult-like allegiance.

There are no perfect candidates, but the layers are peeling off now, and we are seeing more of the true person, Obama's affiliations, his true allegiances, his ego, and his unwillingness to be fair.

We see him as equal to or worse than the "old style Washington politics," if that's possible.

More will come out...

We are listening to him.

He spoke to a bunch of wealthy elite donors who laughed when he told them that they (small town folk) couldn't relate to a 46 year old black man. Was this a racist statement?

He said, "people cling to "guns and religion;" this statement can't be misconstrued.

It's a cultural, societal mainstay of small towns in America, representing many of the towns Obama won out west and in the South. He said he wanted to bring Republicana and Independents into a new coalition, a united America. Most people would agree you don't go about doing that by attacking the very constituency you're trying to win over.

There's a double-standard here that Obama followers aren't getting.

vammap I read those 12 reasons an hour ago and felt the author made some serious points about Nov. I have never been an Obama supporter, but I am now seriously fearful what his nomination might now mean to this country in the Nov. election and its spillover effect in close local elections here in Texas that we discussed here on Thursday and may need to now revisit. As a native southerner I agree with Mudcat Saunders, those comments won't sit well here with Texans. Haven't heard mark in Austin chime in today with his usually objective analysis. We should at least be thankful that if Sen Obama was destined to make a statement like he did in S.F.,that it happened in April rather than October.

re: barry's comments on barack's name please explain to me what is so offensive about having an arabic or muslim name. i guess we should imprison or deport kareem abdul-jabbbar, nazr mohammed, jamaal tinsley, shareef abdur-rahim and half of the nba and nfl that you probably enjoy watching week after week because of their family names. i happen to be a first generation american, college-educated, hard-working, respected tax-paying citizen who happens to have a foreign sounding name. if it were not for the hard-scrub immigrants who came to this country looking for a better life, and helping to build this country's infrastructure and doing the dirty jobs, fighting for their country (us)in world wars one and two, i would love to know where your pathetic, wonder bread white a** would be today...so a little respect please. i am betting that i volunteer more time to my community, state and government in a month than you have in your entire lifetime so give it a rest.

Yes, the second half of the comments sound bad -- until you realize that he's blaming Washington and the media for pandering on those issues and not blaming the people who have little choice in this matter or even in their lives.

The phrasing was poor, but the sentiment was right.

Both parties have been guilty of making promises and not delivering. Both parties have been guilty of using hot-button issues unrelated to real problems that affect all of the people (except the 1% powerful and wealthy).

Now, Obama has the guts to address these issues and does so awkwardly. Listen not to the spinners (not even his). Listen to him.

It's obvious Obama supporters are becoming rabid in their attempts to change the public's perception.

You all recall Obama intended on giving Hillary a knock out blow in PA. Let's see who gets PA pummeled!

The airwaves are going to be saturated with his words and even small town PA voters are going to hear about it.

Add to that his Street Money problem in Phillie, and Obama may have just shot himself in the foot.

To those Obama supporters who have come here all day and said no big deal this is what a neutral Democratic tactician who knows a little something about Democratic and especially southern and rural voting behaviors.

"David Mudcat Saunders, a Democratic strategist and rural advocate, advised John Edwards's presidential campaign but is now neutral. He said he believed that Mr. Obama's comments would offend rural voters."

"It could mean he's rendered himself unelectable," Mr. Saunders said. "This is a perfect example of why Democrats lose elections."

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR OPPOSING (FREEZING) the Fee Trade Agreement FTA.
FROM LEFT DEMOCRAT UNIONS IN COLOMBIA
As all democrat USA workers and you have rightly sensed Ms. Pelosi, the infamous "Free Trade Agreement" could be the only impediment to avoid our ideal and idyllic and central proletarian-workers controlled future. The actual very real reason why we the Colombian and American Chavistic democrat unions oppose the FTA is not "the killings of 2.700 unionists in 20 years in Colombia" as this FTA what really affects is not the lowest number ever organized unions of ours, but 44 million living Colombian citizens.
As Ms Pelosi and democrat unions in America do, THE TRUTH instead is that we deeply hate all three words: we hate FREE as it means that our next future democrat socialistic leader, alter ego of our future Gran Colombian unions unifier President Hugo Chavez, will not be able to nationalize, control and direct the economy in favor of our people and against the "free" capitalistic entrepreneurs that pretend to "freely" exploit and "trade" our labor to export "agreed" goods to the Yankees. We hate TRADE as it corrupts the mind of our people into capitalistic consumist behaviors of American goods, and we hate AGREEMENT because it is the betrayal to all our goals, on behalf of our actual unconditional 110% pro American ally (puppet-server) president Uribe in "agreement" with evil-republican president Bush.
Therefore, ANY REAL OR MADE UP EXCUSE you Ms Pelosi and USA democrat workers use to please oppose the FTA with Colombia is valid and supports greatly our ideals. Although the "2.700 unionists killed in 20 years" have never ever in the history of Colombia been so LOW like now during this 100% PRO BUSH REPUBLICAN YANKEE URIBE government and HE HIM SELF has made all our own victorious terrorism born paramilitary to demobilize, unarm and in jail including many politicians for the very first time in our 60 revolutionary years, this small fact can easily be media-ticaly ignored, in exactly the way American democrat workers and you Ms Pelosi are doing.
Fortunately, our Army of the People, the glorious FARC has killed and kidnapped (3.000 per year including 3 "free trader"-supporter Americans now for 6 years) and so many more hundred of thousands of civilians and "free trade" entrepreneurs and capitalistic exporters and democratic politicians. In the name of our glorious revolution we proudly count 649 kids and 6.043 adults amputated and killed just by our land mines, so that just this is well over so many more than any "killed of our union workers" in our history. So far this proportion is really very satisfactory to us. Any how, for sure our and your strength Ms Pelosi is that one union worker killing is so much more valid and noisy that 44 million "free traders" or hundreds of civilians some now more than ten years kidnapped, that you just can easily inveRt this minor truth for the purpose of disproving that evil republican unfair and forced FTA.
Actually for us workers in Colombia, like in VENEZUELA, our real goal is to diminish and eliminate all private entrepreneurial capitalistic exploitation of man by man. Its our socialistic revolutionary fight against those who "free"ly export and "trade" our labor and raw materials. Our goal is to concentrate all the economy in the hands of a good centralized social workers-only government parallel to that of Hugo Chavez the great democrat-workers-unions-unifier of the world. The revolution source in Venezuela is the oil that the American people suck and pays for, and in Colombia it will be the cocaine that our revolutionary Army of the People FARC protects, control and export and trade for huge revenues to arm and feed our people against any "free" what ever "trade" exporters. Yes Senator Pelosi you are SO right, we do not need any help or "trade" exports nor any "free" industry-entrepreneurs to export any other goods to any other country or market, less so we need yours, and we thank democrat party for opposing them by opposing this FTA.
Peoples approval of our actual capitalistic "democratic" president Uribe by 83% of our 83% politically wrong people is also a factual proof of the above, but don't worry. This never before seen 83% approval after 6 years in power, does not relate to us, the actual REAL FREEDOM fighters killers and kidnapers revolutionaries proud to be and do, democrat unions that oppose Bush consumistic, capitalistic and "free trade" entrepreneurial non governmental controlled FTA.
Opening you markets to our exporters exploitative "free trade" entrepreneurs can be the very worst thing you can do for our democrat ideals CHAVISTIC Unified Latin democrat Unions for centralized economy and social socialistic revolutionary justice. Please do NOT allow that evil president of yours to approve the FTA with our country and against our people and our real goals and ideals. We deeply thank you Ms Pelosi and American democrat worker-union-voters in advance for all your efforts in this regard. The less FTA you give Colombia, the bigger our revolutionary Army of the People FARC will do in agreement with our glorious Gran Colombian democrat workers-union unifier: HUGO CHAVEZ FRIAS.
PS. Admired and respected Ms. Pelosi, we also know you will please certainly succeed in eliminating all the moneys given to the "Plan Colombia" that is so badly hurting our revolutionary forces, and will please abandon as well Irak (come on, WWI and WWII "freedom American heroes" ended also cowardly during and after our glorious revolutionary victory and your humiliated defeat in Vietnam). Your continued support to our socialistic workers unions armed nationalistic anty-global revolution and independence is more than greatly appreciated by our undisputed leader of Latin America HUGO CHAVEZ, in the name of all XXI century socialistic revolution in the world.
THANK YOU ALL DEMOCRAT AMERICA!!!!
COLOMBIAN FREEDOM FIGHTERS

The timing of this doesn't bode well for Obama.

Though the press may have let him off the hook concerning Wright, with his speech mitigating a 20 year relationship with a hatefilled mentor, these remarks, the setting in which they were made, the reactions from donors attending the fundraisers, just can't be parsed away to appear harmless or misstated, or miscontrued.

Now he will be on the defensive and there's 9 days to go.

According to Politico, there are 12 reasons why Obama should be very worried.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9561.html

Hard-pressed Pennsylvania voters speak out, led by Howard Beale:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08&feature=related

Once again, the MSM and the Beltway crowd supporting Clinton/ Bush/Clinton/McCain have it WRONG.

Sen Obama showed remarkable Empathy and Enlightenment in his "off-the-record" comments.
It is neither elitist nor demeaning to own the reality that millions of American workers have taken it on the chin while Beltway Insiders have lavished tax dollars on Blackstone, Bear Sterns, Iraq and various other foreign Governments, Special Interests and boondoggles. The same Power Elite Insiders who kept a lid on real wages for American workers-- the inflation adjusted Minimum wage has NOT risen since 1992--and gave incentives to companies moving jobs overseas are now crying FOUL when Sen. Obama gingerly points out the obvious: People are Mad as Hell about LOUSY, self-serving, double-dealing Government action and INACTION.

Incidentally Chuck Todd, a fair political analyst on MSNBC, claims there are at least 12% Undecided Voters in Pa. Let's see how those voters break next week and into next weekend in Pa and conservative Indiana.

bsimon you are correct, All of this chatter here means zero. It all depends on what we see the undecided Pa and Indiana voters telling pollster, next week. Not what HC supporters claim, nor Obama supporters. Since Sen Obama claimed last week that Indiana will be the tie breaker in the primary, Indiana will be critical to determine his momentum and whether HC can stop him there.

Curious why all the Obama supporters today fixate on the word Bitter and totally ignore the rest of what Sen Obama said linking the word Bitter to small towners clinging to religion, guns and Anti Immigration sentiment because of their economic despair. If Obama supporters are going to spin the word Bitter, then please use the total statement from the tape recording, and stop fixating on that one word. No one is impressed by that tactic.

Obama's reply line in the next debate:

"Maybe McCain will offer Hillary the V.P. spot on his ticket - she certainly seems to be singing from his republican songbook."

U know whats funny half the folks in PA OHION probaly don't even know what a elitist is

Interesting takes on what the consultants and politicians think.

What do the people think?

I'm bitter and angry that the press has shoved Obama down our throats rather than doing "due dilligence" on the guy like they're supposed to.

The reason the US is going down the drain is simple.

We focus on the wrong things.

You reap what you sow.

In this case, a racist jerk.

obama was right. but if you want the same thing.than you vote for the same peoples bush clinton bush clinton 28 year

Obama supporters don't care what he's done or what he will do, they just want him.

Trying to convince them otherwise is a waste of time.

The'll lose the election for Democrats, but they won't mind a bit.

They'll juat move on to the next fad and leave the rest of us holding the bag.

I'm sticking with the guy who knows what regular Americans are hungry for. Less divisiveness/more cooperation to address the serious issues that have been neglected for too long. Let's move ahead into the 21st century with Barack Obama. Let's get busy before our middle class - the backbone of this country - disappears altogether.

Why can't Hillary and McCain accept the truth? Americans are bitter and angry that Washington has failed them. That it's always the same old politics of hate and division. Clinton and McCain seem determined to divide this country instead of trying to understand what we're really going through. Obama spoke the truth, and we shouldn't get caught up in semantics... it's time for politicians to start working for us and not trying to pit us against each other.

http://www.cafepress.com/wetnoodle

No matter how you slice it, the US government of the last three decades has largely failed its people. It has played politics with education, injecting ludicrous arguments such as Creationism and abstinence-only eduction into the discourse, creating programs like No Child Left Behind, and not funding school systems adequately.

The end result is that the American workforce that has come of working age during that time is woefully unprepared for this century's big economic movement from low productivity industrial jobs to high productivity technology jobs. Indeed, we've lost the industrial jobs to low-wage paying countries, and because our children are nowhere near as educated as those from India, China, and even Russia, we're systematically losing the high technology jobs overseas as well.

A century ago, this country led the way in industrialization and the American Empire came to the fore. Today, our government has failed us, beginning with the Reagan Revolution's misguided focus on trickle-down economics, the Clinton regime's injection of unnecessary partisanship into nearly every issue, and ending with today's abject incompetence of the Republican Party.

If voters across the country are worried about their jobs, are worried about American companies moving its workforce overseas, and are worried about whether their children will have the skills to compete with Chinese, Indian, and other SE Asian children, they can look at how we've all allowed our government to manipulate us with ancillary issues such as illegal immigration, gay marriage, and gun control, instead of the facts: we need to pay teachers more, we need to make our schools as beautiful as the local Galleria, we need to make higher education more affordable, we need to turn off the television and teach our children not simply the subject matter but how to learn and think for themselves, and we need to make health care affordable to all children so that we can give them a fighting chance, even in the worst conditions.

This is the heart of why Americans are "bitter". And breaking with old failed traditions and moving forward in a new direction is why I'm voting for Obama. He may not be perfect (neither am I), he may not even be up for the job. But I do know that Senator Clinton and Senator McCain (who I admire more than the other two combined) are part of the old school establishment that caused this mess.

Obama is worth the shot.

It is a little unsettling, if not a tad odd, to hear these sudden outbursts of empathy in defense of the down and out of America from a politician with a family income of over 100 million dollars and another one with enough family fortune to own multiple mansions around the globe.

To Sen. Bayh: Have you ever conducted a survey to fathom how many of your struggling constituents feel bitter toward their Congressional reps giving themselves high six-figure salaries with cost-of-living adjustments, full healthcare for themselves and their families and generous perks, not to speak of the millions of dollars in legalized bribery from PACs?

To the pundits and reporters: Would you please take a short pause from showering down messages from the top elitists drowning in unrestrained abundance, and, for a change, go to the grassroots where decapitated middle class struggle to get by daily and ask how many of them are angry or bitter?

By the way, anger and bitterness are rather close synonyms.

where did you find all that geneology stuff?

Clinton needs to stop with the hysterics.

I am voting for Obama.

parker...
Obama spin? I thought it was Bible spin...you know, that we're all God's chillun...hallelujah!

From Philadelphia,PA
I'm bitter and without a job.

This is the TRUE OBAMA. His wife found one thing to be proud of America, Obama and his "typical white person" comment, his pastor's anti-american comments which Obama ignored for 20 yrs. What a president and commander-n-chief he would make; one from hell!! If the American people elect him as our leader, they will get what they deserve; the rest of us will just be praying we never have another leader like this lying man.

How is that relevant ?? Is that person kidding. Obama says he comes from humble beginnings only his grandma is a bank vp (big bucks) his mom traveled all over , can't do that if you are poor either. It's called either believe what you are told, or connect the dots. Something or someone is not who they seem to be. Someone says something about the other candidate only it pertains to them....It means someone is yanking on your leg...don't yu feel it?

... here in middle America , we don't "cling" to religion; we worship God.

Sen. Obama's explanation and pushback are actually worse than his original offense.

By refusing to acknowledge that the lumping of Americans of faith together with racists and xenophobes is empirically insulting, he essentially restates his position and digs in: Religion, racism, xenophobia are just "refuges" (his new word) for people who are not as privileged as he. Really repugnant stuff.

His remarks are now his official position, not a blunder that can be explained away and forgiven. That window has closed.

http://www.anklebitingpundits.com/content/index.php?p=3113

"So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

I don't see how anyone known to have uttered those words can be elected President.

And, true to it's liberal pro-Obama leanings, the WaPo has put the biggest politcal story in weeks on Page 4.

This is exactly why people like the person that posted whats with you geneology people are kept in the dark. You aren't bright enough to think of the ramifications, or maybe worse you don't care. You are the same types that would be fine with the Patriot act taking your rights way or saying it's ok to torture. Think about it, thats why you have a brain...use it! It's sort of like the days of Kings and Queens where there is an inside circle of people who are the only ones that can ever gain power. Believe it or not Hillary and Bill Clinton are outsiders. He has been president, but they(bluebloods) all worked hard to get rid of him, because he never belonged there according to entitlement......so fluff it off and stay in your little shell where you feel safe and warm never learning anything, it's better that way no one will miss you

wrong Joyce, that is Obama campaign spin...try looking up your lineage, I doubt you will have these types of connections, thisisn't by accident these folks are tapped for politics....Haven't you heard of the secret societies...We all know tyhey exist...it's sort of the way Skull and bones taps CIA agents from Yale

What is with you genealogists and how is that relevant? I suggest you take a walk in the sun and absorb some Vitamin D. It's good for the brain.

You can find research for all these at wargs.com under political people...
John Reitweisner is a geneologist working n the library of congress...thes facts have also been verified at some New England Geneological Society

If you trace back to the beginning, we're all related to one another - all races, nationalities, religions, all people. Right?

I guess blueblood entitlement has been going on throughout the ages...as to who has been given opportunities for fame or success or power throuhout the decades and gaes it looks like
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2. WILFORD WOODRUFF (1807-1898), Mormon leader
3. ORSON PRATT (1811-1887), Mormon leader
4. PARLEY PARKER PRATT (1807-1857), Mormon leader, m. Mary Wood
5. GORDON BITNER HINCKLEY (b. 1910), president of the Mormon church
6. WILLIAM ELLERY CHANNING (1780-1842), theologian

PERSONS OF INTEREST
1. Ann Robbins ("NANCY DAVIS") m. RONALD REAGAN (1911-2004), US President
2. John WARNOCK Hinckley (attempted assassin)
3. BENEDICT ARNOLD (1741-1801), Revolutionary general and traitor
4. LIZZIE DREW BORDEN (1860-1927), murderer
5. LYNDON HERMYLE LAROUCHE
6. HUGH MARSTON HEFNER (b. 1926), publisher
7. Pamela Dwight m. THEODORE SEDGWICK (1746-1813), US Senator
8. Elizabeth Savage married. THOMAS HEYWARD (1746-1809), Signer
9. ARTHUR OCHS SULZBERGER (b. 1951), newspaper publisher
10. Flora Sheldon m. Samuel Prescott Bush
11. LEWIS COMFORT TIFFANY (1848-1933), lamp designer
12. CHARLES JULIUS GUITEAU (1841-1882), assassin
13. CHARLES STANLEY GIFFORD (1898-1965), allegedly father of:
.Norma Jean Mortenson/Baker (1926-1962), MARILYN MONROE
14. .Caroline Bayard Leroy married. DANIEL WEBSTER (1782-1852), US Senator
15. Hannah Milhous m. Frank Nixon
16. .(Laura) JANE ADDAMS (1860-1935), Nobel Peace Prize winner
17. JOHN ERNEST STEINBECK (1902-1968), author
18. Thomas Lanier ("TENNESSEE") WILLIAMS (1911-1983), playwright
19. WILLIAM PUTNAM BUNDY (1917-2000), editor
20. Hedwig Pinkus m. PAUL EHRLICH (1854-1916), Nobel Prize winner in Medicine
21.Clarissa Harlowe ("CLARA") BARTON (1821-1912), founder of the Red Cross
22. NORMAN PERCEVAL ROCKWELL (1894-1978), illustrator
23. RALPH WALDO EMERSON (1803-1882), philosopher and transcendentalist
24. JAMES BUTLER ("Wild Bill") HICKOK (1837-1876), U.S. Marshal

JOhn Kerry's is even more disturbing The Queen of England 13 presidents....all Obama supporters Kerry and Richardsons part of the good ol boys where we thought we had a choice only it was multiple choice of the entitled bluebloods...Hillary IS NOT one of them...don't let them fool you with words like CHANGE....

Here is Barack Obama's lineage....Now it is easy to say who is the ESTABLISHMENT and the STATUS-QUO- he was tapped to become a politician
DESCENDANTS OF Barack Hussein Obama (born
PRESIDENTS:
1.Thomas WOODROW WILSON (1856-1924
2.GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH (b. 1924), US President, m. Barbara Pierce
3.GEORGE WALKER BUSH (b. 1946),
4. HARRY S. TRUMAN (1884-1972),
5.JAMES EARL CARTER (b. 1924), US President
6. JAMES MADISON
7 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON
8 GERALD FORD

VP's
1. Richard Bruce Cheney

Winston Churchill

SENATORS:
1. BIRCH EVANS BAYH Jr
2. BIRCH EVANS BAYH III (Evan Bayh (Ind)
3. Robert Carlyle Sale, later ROBERT
CARLYLE BYRD

CONGRESS REP:
1.JOHN CHANEY (1790-1881), US Representative, m. Mary Ann Lafere
2. GALUSHA AARON GROW (1822-1907

SUPREME COURT JUSTICES:
1. GABRIEL DUVALL (1752-1844), US Supreme Court Justice
2. MAHLON PITNEY (1858-1924), US Supreme Court Justice, m. Florence Theodora Shelton

GOVERNORS:
1. JOHN ELLIS "Jeb" BUSH
2. HOWARD BRUSH DEAN III (VT)
3. Gov. THOMAS HINCKLEY (1619-1706

UK PRIME MINISTER:
1. Maurice) HAROLD MACMILLAN, 1st Earl of Stockton (1894-1986), UK Prime Minister

NOTABLE PERSONS:
1. Patricia Ann Paugh m. m. John Bennett Ramsey
2. JONBENET PATRICIA RAMSEY (1990-1996)
3. .GORDON BITNER HINCKLEY (b. 1910), president of the Mormon church
4. Dorothy Walker m. Prescott Sheldon Bush
5. JOHN WARNOCK HINCKLEY (b. 1955), attempted assassin Reagan (fixation on Jodie Foster)
6. JOHN SAMUEL WATERS Jr (b. 1946), filmmaker

NOBILITY:
1. Mary Victoria Leiter m. GEORGE NATHANIEL CURZON, 1st Marquess CURZON (1859-1924)
2. Bessie Wallis Warfield- Wallis, The Duchess of Windsor (previously Wallis Simpson; previously Wallis Spencer; born Bessie Wallis Warfield;
3. OLIVIER Comte de CAUMONT La FORCE

ASTRONAUTS:
1. JOHN HERSCHEL GLENN Jr

ARTISTS:
1. GEORGIA O'KEEFFE (1887-1986), artist
2. CHARLES SAMUEL ADDAMS (1912-1988), cartoonist

AUTHORS:
1. KEN ELTON KESEY (1935-2001
2. JOHN ERNEST STEINBECK (1902-1968),

INDUSTRIALISTS AND BUSINESS
1. JOHN PIERPONT MORGAN JR. (J.P. Morgan) (1867-1943), banker
2. GEORGE WASHINGTON RIGGS (1813-1881), banker
3. THEODORE NEWTON VAIL (1845-1920), founder of A T & T

JOURNALISTS:
1. ALEXANDER BRITTON HUME (Fox News) (b. 1943), journalist

BO saying people are angry or bitter when losing a job - fine
BO saying some people choosing a surrogate issue for some displaced anger - fine

BO saying a whole class of people are bitter and clinging to religion etc out of frustration and anger is dumb and dumber and wrong

BO does not like being stereotyped - he says so over and over in his book

But to stereotype an entire group of people in many rust belt type states is fine if he does it -- and does it in SF in a private home in front of a group of millionaires - when he does not know he is being recorded

His revisionist versions of what he meant and what he said make it only worse - and now he apologizes for losing votes (read his apology - if I apologized like that I would not still be married).

Frankly - everyone here needs to read his first set of comments - not his corrected version of late. And to consider that he did not take the issue head on -- but said these things to private donators to his campaign.

Seems he gets close to key issues and says some smart things --- only after he is caught not leaving a racist church and speaking down to people

Why does BO only get to the real issues his fans love him for - his insight - his frankness - after he gets in hot water?

Looks like Richardson is one of the ENTITLED ONES

Great post from UNK at 7:41 p.m.

I have read many commentaries here and I am amazed at the naivete (to say the least) of many of you that totally fail to see the smokescreen that Obama is. Some people would rationalize issues to death to try to defend a point even when logic is contrary to them.

Obama's comments came out inadvertently and they represent what he believes. They are totally out of zinc with the realities of our people. As a Politician I can say that he failed totally to understand the true values of the hard working people of Pennsylvania. These comments did not come out in true understanding of their values. More than anything they are pure frustration because he knows that after all he has done to win in Pennsylvania he will fail to caption this state.

More than the words is the feeling that inundates you of someone who is talking in a highly condescending manner and who failed to capture the essence of these folks. I visit this state often and know the economic situation affecting many of these individuals. But more than anything I see that they are people of faith and good values. Yes, there is a good number of individuals who have guns, and if you look at their roots you see the deep heritage of self-reliance that exists specially in rural Pennsylvania. Many towns have been affected by illegal immigrations and their concerns are quite legitimate.

So, summarizing these issues as ones of frustration proves how off the mark is Obama in understanding the psyche of many americans.
I think that Obama has come to America but America has not come into him!!!!

So, I would not accept any excuses given by his followers because THE TRUTH is finally coming out to hunt Obama to let us see that he is not the best candidate after all.

Obama has a thin resume and expects that we follow his promises of UNITY, HOPE and CHANGE. Well, his associations and these comments certainly prove that his JUDGEMENT, THRUTHFULNESS and CHARACTER are main issues in Obama proving himself to the American people.

Do you want to take such an enormous risk in voting for someone who really DOES NOT rise to the level of a candidate for Presidency? Our future and security of this nation is at stake and I cannot afford to see a lost election in November.

OBAMA= LOST ELECTION!!!!

And Florida and Michigan need to RE-VOTE!!!
Now more than ever!!!!!!

Bill Richardson speaks of Entitlement and that he said Hillary felt entitled. Lets look at what an entitled pedigreed blueblood looks like then you will no wthat Richardson promised he would vote how his state went then went back on it...why the good ol boys one of his own another blue blood...here is Richardsons roots>>

PRESIDENTS
1.Richard Milhous Nixon
2.William Howard Taft
3. James Abram Garfield
4.Rutherford B Hayes
5. George Herbert Walker Bush
6. George Walker Bush
VP's
1. James Danforth Quayle
2. Hannibal Hamlin-1809-1891
SIGNERS: Declaration of Independence/Constitution/Articles of Confederation
1. JOHN HANCOCK (Dof I)

SUPREME COURT JUSTICES
1. William Hubbs Rehnquist
2. John Marshall Harlan
3. HORACE GRAY (1828-1902),

SPEAKER of the HOUSE
1. .NATHANIEL PRENTICE BANKS

SENATORS:
1. Orrin Grant Hatch (UT)
2. CHARLES SUMNER (1811-1874

CANADIAN PRIME MINISTERS:
1. LESTER BOWLES PEARSON (1897-1972

GOVERNOR's
1. Howard Brush Dean (VT)
2. Joshua Chamberlain (Me)
3. CULBERT LEVY OLSON (1876-1962)
4. CADWALLADER COLDEN WASHBURN (1818-1882), Governor of Wisconsin
5. .NATHANIEL PRENTICE BANKS
6. CHRISTINE TODD WHITMAN (NJ) (also EPA Administrator)
7. Jeb Ellis Bush (FL)

ASTRONAUT
1. Malcolm Scott Carpenter
2. DONALD KENT SLAYTON
ASTRONOMER
1. HENRY NORRIS RUSSELL

to TOM V. from NW PA: THANK YOU for your thoughtful, insightful post.

i hope you and your neighbors decide to take a chance on change. i believe barack obama is the person for the job.

The only thing Mr Obama is right about is in his speech in 2004 regarding his running for president in 2008, and he told everyone he wasn't experienced enough and he felt you need to know what you are doing...a great watch!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gexyfVpFMU

I think Amy in Scranton is correct. This will come back and bite Hillary and McCain. Watching Hillary chastise Obama for telling it like it is...Poor Hill...that was painful to see. She did the same thing in Ohio regarding her NAFTA thing Obama exposed...which was also proved correct. She DID support NAFTA before the political winds changed. I was expecting Hillary to shake her finger and say "SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA!!!" Maybe Bill will do that this time.

I live just outside one of those small Pennsylvania towns that Mr. Obama was describing. If anything, the economic situation around here is way worse, and has been so for far longer, than Obama's description. This is especially true in population has slowly spiraled downward. The demographics and economic realities have left Northwest PA with few opportunities for anyone.

To see the realities of the present one need only look at the history of Oil City --- birthplace of the oil industry and once a center of American industry and wealth. Where once John D. Rockefeller ran his oil and transportation empire there are now only historical remnants.

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