Clinton Wins Pa.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) has claimed a much-needed victory over Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) in tonight's Pennsylvania Democratic primary, ensuring the race for the party's nomination will continue through at least May 6 when Indiana and North Carolina vote.
Having claimed victory, Clinton now awaits the margin of that win. With 42 percent of precincts reporting, Clinton led 55 percent to 45 percent.
A small single digit win will be seen as a wash and a victory of sorts for Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.). A broader victory will validate Clinton's claims that she belongs in the contest and that voters have yet to make a final decision on which candidate they want representing the Democratic Party in the fall.
More on this developing story can be found on the constantly updated story The Fix is writing for the washingtonpost.com.
By Chris Cillizza |
April 22, 2008; 9:15 PM ET
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Posted by: Sandy 5274 | April 24, 2008 10:04 AM
Sen. Hillary Clinton will win all the way and become our first female president of the United States of America, commander in chief and leader of the free world.
She is a woman of candor and humor and directness who's very comfortable with her experience, ability, responsibility, disancy, fairness, sincerity and morals. She know how to lead our great nation in the right direction.!!!!!
Posted by: Akber A. Kassam. | April 23, 2008 7:53 PM
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAH HILLARY WAY TO GO GIRL AND WHO EVER WROTE THAT CRAP WITH AN OBSENE WORD F----- IS TOTALLY OUT OF LINE HERE. YOUR SICK; AND AN IDIOT AND FURTHER MORE STUPID. WALKINTALLFORHILLARY AND WON'T BACK DOWN REGUARDLESS WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HER ROFLOL SHES GONNNA WINNNNNNNNN HEE HEE COME ON COMMENTS BUT SO WHAT I KNOW SHE WILL WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.
Posted by: WALKINTALLFORHILLARY | April 23, 2008 3:16 PM
White candidate has been elected for over a hundred years. .Never a black candidate for President. Why because most whites will not vote for a black men. I'm glad that African Americans is taking a stand and voting for Obama. Its time we stood up and not feel we have to go the white way. But we need to do more we need a civil rights movement.Because if we let them get away with doing this to Obama they will do it again and again. And Hispanic please wake because you guys will get the same treatment. Why do you think Bill Richardson endorsed Obama.
Posted by: betty` | April 23, 2008 2:57 PM
Would anyone feel better if they were to find out that the actual final results were different than those advertised?
Would you feel better, or worse if the actual were 8.5 intead of 10.0?
I'd just like to know.
Posted by: John of Arizona | April 23, 2008 2:43 PM
The media time for coverage of Hillary is skewed because of the Clinton's divide and conquer strategy (this can apply to the party, the public, the candidates, wherever necessary). Bill, Hillary and Chelsea even, are covering more ground than Obama, even with limited appearances by Mrs. Obama.
While incredibly polarizing and capable of being the catalyst we need for positive change, Obama is still the newcomer on the landscape. That he has taken the lead over an embedded incumbent (and family) is the noteworthy aspect of this campaign.
The costs of remaining competitive (3 to 1) only scrapes at leveling the playing field against the Clintonistas. And yet Obama continues to gain ground...
If he can get the details out on his plan and approach for change, it's all over.
End the madness. Change is good. Don't be scared.
Posted by: DonJulio | April 23, 2008 2:43 PM
The media time for coverage of Hillary is skewed because of the Clinton's divide and conquer strategy (this can apply to the party, the public, the candidates, wherever necessary). Bill, Hillary and Chelsea even, are covering more ground than Obama, even with limited appearances by Mrs. Obama.
While incredibly polarizing and capable of being the catalyst we need for positive change, Obama is still the newcomer on the landscape. That he has taken the lead over an embedded incumbent (and family) is the noteworthy aspect of this campaign.
The costs of remaining competitive (3 to 1) only scrapes at leveling the playing field against the Clintonistas. And yet Obama continues to gain ground...
If he can get the details out on his plan and approach for change, it's all over.
End the madness. Change is good. Don't be scared.
Posted by: DonJulio | April 23, 2008 2:43 PM
Would anyone feel better if they were to find out that the actual final results were different than those advertised?
Would you feel better, or worse if the actual were 8.5 intead of 10.0?
I'd just like to know.
Posted by: John of Arizona | April 23, 2008 2:43 PM
The media time for coverage of Hillary is skewed because of the Clinton's divide and conquer strategy (this can apply to the party, the public, the candidates, wherever necessary). Bill, Hillary and Chelsea even, are covering more ground than Obama, even with limited appearances by Mrs. Obama.
While incredibly polarizing and capable of being the catalyst we need for positive change, Obama is still the newcomer on the landscape. That he has taken the lead over an embedded incumbent (and family) is the noteworthy aspect of this campaign.
The costs of remaining competitive (3 to 1) only scrapes at leveling the playing field against the Clintonistas. And yet Obama continues to gain ground...
If he can get the details out on his plan and approach for change, it's all over.
End the madness. Change is good. Don't be scared.
Posted by: DonJulio | April 23, 2008 2:42 PM
As I read all the comments I am somewhat confused...isn't BO the candidate who unites? Then why all the ugliness? Bo supporters ought to just let the voters vote and shut up! If he is such a sure thing why do you care if she stays in all the way till every state has their say? It is not hurting the dems! Not counting Mich. and Fla. will hurt the dems more than Hillary staying in the race. She has earned the right to stay in. Maybe Bo needs to knock her out (as he has learned it's not so easy lol) What a fighter, that is the kind of president I want!
Posted by: Sherri | April 23, 2008 2:31 PM
As I read all the comments I am somewhat confused...isn't BO the candidate who unites? Then why all the ugliness? Bo supporters ought to just let the voters vote and shut up! If he is such a sure thing why do you care if she stays in all the way till every state has their say? It is not hurting the dems! Not counting Mich. and Fla. will hurt the dems more than Hillary staying in the race. She has earned the right to stay in. Maybe Bo needs to knock her out (as he has learned it's not so easy lol) What a fighter, that is the kind of president I want!
Posted by: Sherri | April 23, 2008 2:30 PM
African Americans in Congress and everywhere should consider boycotting the elections because it is clear that there we live in unbalance society. Its time we take things back to the 60's. Its time for a civil rights movement
Posted by: betty | April 23, 2008 2:18 PM
From Obama:
"We can be a party that says and does whatever it takes to win the next election. We can calculate and poll-test our positions and tell everyone exactly what they want to hear," he said. "Or we can be the party that doesn't just focus on how to win but why we should. We can tell everyone what they need to hear about the challenges we face. We can seek to regain not just an office, but the trust of the American people that their leaders in Washington will tell them the truth. That's the choice in this election."
From McCain:
Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Wednesday demanded the North Carolina Republican Carolina Republican Party withdraw an advertisement critical of Democrat Barack Obama over his controversial pastor.
"We asked them not to run it," McCain told reporters on his campaign bus as he rode to an anti-poverty event in the coalfields of eastern Kentucky.
"I'm sending them an e-mail as we speak asking them to take it down. I don't know why they do it. Obviously, I don't control them. But I'm making it very clear that there's no place for that" in his campaign.
From Hillary:
A negative campaign filled with fear, smoke and mirrors.
Hopefully Senator Obama will continue to discuss the issues along with his message of hope. It is great to see Senator McCain come out and call for a clean campaign within the Republican Party. A sign of a person with integrity and honor.
While Senator Clinton continues to spread negativity and lies throughout her campaign ads and speeches. She will pay the price if she somehow steals the nomination through back room politics via the super delegates. The American people including a good percentage of us within the Democratic party will be so repulsed that a decision of four more year of a Republican White House will look OK.
All the candidates need to discuss the issues and how they will bring the country together. Running the country like a reality TV show is not going to cut it in this election.
Posted by: seakayaker | April 23, 2008 2:11 PM
Race is a issue in this country and African American need to boycott and as far as I'm concerned if Hillary is the Nominee I hope John Mccain wins.
Posted by: betty | April 23, 2008 1:53 PM
betty, betty, betty...
let me see if i got this right - your call to boycott the election isn't because of race but because of dirty tactics. then why do you go on and on about the Great Race Problem? if you were true to your reasoning, you'd be talking about specific dirty tactics, not about the qualifications of your supposed black man (when in reality, betty, he's half black, so we share him with the whites in this country.)
on the positive side for you, we african americans have been pretty much boycotting elections for years for whatever reason, even though our vote counts as much as any else's. even latinos get their vote out! what's the deal - if the candidate isn't black, skip it? pretty good excuse this year if we do it again - "i didn't vote because i, uh, oh, right, didn't like the dirty tactics betty mentioned in one sentence on chris' blog." the tired dog excuse that it makes no difference who wins, we all be oppressed, is a lazy man's excuse, regardless of race.
boycotting the election doesn't punish the candidate - it punishes those of us that live with the winner.
give me facts to hang my hat on, not race.
Posted by: shabbycynic | April 23, 2008 1:41 PM
It is statistically impossible for clinton to win the nomination.
She can ONLY win it be arm twisting and back-room dealing that reverses the will of the voters who have given Obama an overwhelming lead in popular vote, states won, and delegates won.
It is the greed and hubris of clinton's personality that keeps her in the race making slanderous acusations against the winning candidate Obama, regardless of how it harms the party.
Vote Obama in '08!
Posted by: JBE | April 23, 2008 1:05 PM
I have one question...that question is: why do we as Americans and as people, whose country was founded on our faith in God, want any part of electing a president who does not share the same faith? Is this not a complete slap in the face to our four fathers and all they accomplished to make our great nation what it is? Allowing our great nation to be ran by someone who shares the same faith as that of the people who sought to destroy and bring a great depression upon our people is asking for trouble. 9/11 was the result of naive sad individuals who were glorifying the same "god" Obama serves. Who is to say that we are not inviting our enemy into our home? I do not feel he is the right presidential candidate nor is he equipped to run a nation founded upon Godly principals. Please remember those whose lives were lost in 9/11, please remember our men and women who are giving all they have to fight a war that should have never began before you vote yes and support Obama...
Posted by: Pamela | April 23, 2008 1:00 PM
Letter to the Editor or Blog
TIME FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS TO BOYCOTT THE ELECTIONS.
I have carefully viewed the Democratic race between Obama and Hillary Clinton. Obama came into the race knowing the challenges he would face as black candidate who would not always be judged by his knowledge and skills, but by the color of his skin. The media fascination with Obama is causing him the President seat. Our country's unwillingness to except a black candidate has become evident to me as Hillary Clinton exports that to get votes.
Throughout history African Americans have struggled to survive and to be accepted not just as a citizen, but as a human being. African American have voted and helped shaped this country not always for their benefits or rights, but they were asked to be apart of a democracy that only includes them to meet others needs and their ambitions.
I have decided that although this country is the greatest country in the world that we still have a division among race that is clear in this election process. African Americans have voted and are expected to vote for any white candidate, but white people are not expected or will vote for a Black candidate. This is clear in Ohio and Penn as the tone of race this becomes evident to me.
I'm asking that all African Americans who believe that this is unjust system, that its okay to vote for a white candidate, but in this country its still okay to not vote for a black candidate; not because of comments, or church affiliations because those things occurred with white candidate which still did not stop them from getting into the White House. No these are things that just gave people a reason not to vote when they weren't going to vote anyway with the real underlining issue being Race. Its time that African American and White Americans who believe this is an unjustified process in our today's society that we boycott the elections for the Democratic Party.
I'm asking all African American to boycott Hillary Clinton if she is our nominee. Not because she is white or a woman, but because of her dirty tactics to exploit race. I'm asking that we boycott her selection because this country has an unfair process when it comes to electing an African American verses a White American President.
We have never had an African American President and for all the reason that people make up for the reason why the real reason doesn't lie in bitter comments, or a Rev comment or anything else. It lies in the bitter heart of some people who will not let this country move forward. It lies in the hand of Media people who have talk show pundits who try to sway minds and get ratings. It lies in who has the power and who doesn't. What Black men can win the White House? This is what African American should be asking. I mean can any Black men be qualified enough? Why do Black men have to walk a finer line than White men or even in this case a White Women who has a shady past?
It's time we stood up and say that if it's okay for us to vote outside our race than why isn't okay for you to vote outside yours
Its time WE BOYCOTT THE ELECTION.
Posted by: betty | April 23, 2008 12:47 PM
Obama needs to get out of the race and the tide has turned and it IS Madame President Hillary Clinton turning it as all Americans can see she is more: honest, determined, dedicated, trustworthy, educated, wise, a fighter for the American people and what they want this country to be and stand for on a global scale. The Democratic Party needs to realize that she is the only one that can beat McCain and by such a large margin that has never been seen in this country before. Finally she is getting the respect not only as a running candidate but as the future Madame President of this United States. Our nation does not need Obama who is an inexperienced candidate that does not know how to handle political situations, does not know how to handle a crisis, does not know how or when to communicate to foreign governments, and most important does not know how to run a government. The American people are not stupid and money cannot buy a President, (Oprah needs to learn that, too) only the American people can elect their presidential candidate to run their country. One who has the exact qualifications that future Madame President Hillary Clinton has. North Carolina and Indiana is not going to be swayed by Political and false ads run by and Oprahs' money, they are way too smart, they know that the hands of this nation are secure and safe in the palm of Hillary Clinton. Now is THE TIME to stand up for what Americans believe in and to stick up for our future Madame President, "come on America, let your voice be heard! If need be scream it from the mountain tops all the way down to the ocean shores, the future of our nation is at stake, the future of our children and grandchildren, Hillary will be heard and Hillary IS our next President. The delegates know this and will give her all their support, Obama knows this, the media knows this and we, the American people know this!" God Bless America and everyone of you who are reading this.
Posted by: catherine4 | April 23, 2008 12:31 PM
HILLARY CLINTON DID NOT WIN BY 10%, SHE WON BY 8.3%, PLEASE LOOK AT THE LATEST AT WWWW.ELECTIONRETURNS.STATE.PA.US
PLEASE STOP REPORTING THE DOUBLE FIGURE WIN, IT IS NOT ACCURATE.
Posted by: peg | April 23, 2008 11:06 AM
Why do all the Clinton supporters (and MSNBC) keep announcing that Clinton won Texas? After the county conventions, where her support eroded, Obama won the delegate count in Texas.
A friend of mine who is a former Republican county chair told me that R's were going to vote for Clinton in the Texas primary. But they didn't show up for the precinct conventions. That's where the delegates came from.
Posted by: Texas Moon | April 23, 2008 10:52 AM
I think Clinton's argument about continuing her campaign is simply this: She can easily convince Barack's supporters to vote for her in November, but most of her supporters will never vote for a black man.
Posted by: B | April 23, 2008 10:46 AM
The best results I've seen is that Clinton is up ten delegates. If that holds true -- and I've seen adjustments weeks after the votes in other states -- then it is 84 Clinton 74 Obama. On Monday, I read that Clinton had 1507 delegates (which meant that she needed 518 to get the nomination). Obama had 1645 (... 380)
If so, Clinton got 16% of what she needed, and Obama got 19% of what he needed.
It was a victory for Clinton, but not one that moved her closer to the nomination.
Posted by: Frank Palmer | April 23, 2008 10:26 AM
No matter who the Democratic nominee is the Democrats who are real democrats will vote for whoever the candidate is. If Hillarys supporters say they will vote for McBush if Senator Obama is the nominee aren't real Democrats. They are Republican plants. If they are Democrats or Independents or Republicans than they don't really care about what happens in America and will stay with the Bush administration with McBush at the Helm.
Posted by: pop | April 23, 2008 10:24 AM
To be honest I only have one view, I support Barack Obama for the Democratic Nomination. I signed up as a democrat to support Barack Obama. The democratic party talks about all the people who are joining their ranks. Well who are here for? Barack Obama! What are we here for? His message of Hope and Change! If the democratic party nominates Hillary Clinton as the presidential candidate, you may just find the ground swell of new democratics disappear into thin air. We came for Barack Obama and his message of hope and change. We did not come for the same old style party politics that Hilary Clinton represents. Go ahead role the dice, believe we are here for the democratic party and we will just vote the party line. You may just find another Republican in the White House. I will not vote for the continuation of a two family system in the white house representing old party politics.
Posted by: Independent Voter | April 23, 2008 10:16 AM
Since she cannot win the majority of the elected delegates and it is improbably that the superdelegates will overturn the rule of the people, Hillary cannot win. So what is she doing?
I truly believe that she is slashing and burning the party. She is doing everything she can to make sure Obama loses so McCain will win and she will be the presumptive nominee in 2012.
If she were really acting in a manner that was the best for the country and party (as she claims) she would drop out and let Obama take on McCain. But she's not.
Her motivations in continuing are extremely suspect.
Posted by: The truth | April 23, 2008 10:09 AM
Three things drove Hillary's PA win. She destroyed Obama on the gun question during the debate, he made the bitter comment, and the Governors truthful statement of part of the electorate, not the majority but part. The many bloggers supporting Hillary should know she lost TX by 4 delegates. Her advantage over Obama in big states is due to the latino vote. Obama will get the latino vote with Richardson as veep. The Rendell mentioned prejudice (he is not) will work against Obama in the general election. The elderly and white working class edge by McCain is offset by the record number of latino, black and young voters. The race will be won by getting the white professional and college educated vote. McCain/Romney will win MI, UT, NV, the south except the east coast and TX. Tx is a must for MCCain or he loses. Obama/Richardson should win NY, CA, FL with latinos putting them over the top. A very close race if McCain wins TX.
Posted by: Jimbo | April 23, 2008 10:09 AM
She did enough in PA to keep it going. She was helped by Obama's own missteps when he had closed the gap to six points, then lost by 10. Hillary will have to win IN by the same margin to have any claim at the convention. NC will be a loss, but by how much is important. Surprisingly Colombia and Bubba's Arab money did not play a role.
Posted by: Jimbo | April 23, 2008 9:51 AM
The only thing I can say is Clinton played the dirtiest race she has yet. She will do anything to win, maybe even give Bill a chance to pick up another intern. She lies so much, that I cannot believe the people vote for her. The one thing I think Obama did wrong is he came down to her level. He is not like that, and I think that hurt him some. He needs to stay focused on the issues, and not the kitchen sink. It is hard to ignore when someone is constantly throwing dirt, but the people are tired of that. He didn't lose last night, he came within ten points after being down thirty. Yes, he spent a lot of money, but he had to, because he knew Clinton would come with the dirty kitchen sink.
I also think their was a lot of prejudicein Penna, and that surprised me being a northern state. But people will be what they are. We need to move on to Indiana and North Carolina where I believe the voters will not put up with the garbage that Clinton slings. They want the truth, and the truth is not in the Clinton's.
Posted by: Eddie | April 23, 2008 9:32 AM
"Hillary farce and delusion"
Not a kind way to describe a process that does not go your way. Pesky voters got in the way?
Posted by: Gary E. Masters | April 23, 2008 8:53 AM
You don't need a program to see which of the commentators have been signed up wor which candidate. Keithe Olbermn was in fine form stammering and stuttering last night trying to explain what he could not understand. Chris and Tim were there to support his efforts, but they kept fussing about who moved the goal posts. No rules have been broken in the campaign, it is going to the conclusion that Mr. Ickes prepared. The super delegates will decide a close election too close for the regular delegates to decide.
All the rest of the nattering will soon be forgotten. That is a blessing, to be sure.
Posted by: Gary E. Masters | April 23, 2008 8:49 AM
To Words of Wisdom (NOT):
Florida and Mich should not count- period. Hillary knew and agreed to the rules before the game was played. And in Mich especially, where Obama was not even on the ballot, it would be a farce to count Michigan and everyone knows it- even you.
However, after Obama locks up the nomination the Florida and Mich delegates should be seated according to some appeasement formula. Anything else is a joke.
I don't think you Clintonistas can face the reality that Clinton will not win the nomination, period.
Per the NYTs, with 99% in, Clinton is winning by 9.4 %- not the big double digits she needed.
By the way, I don't care what anyone says- lots of folks in Pa, Tx and Ohio did not vote for Obama because of his skin color- more than did not vote for Hillary because of her gender. And that wrong makes Obama supporters mad. I wonder how much money he will raise as a consequence of PA? I gave to Obama again last night and will keep it up until he wins the nomination.
Go Obama!!!
Posted by: Doug M | April 23, 2008 8:42 AM
An inspiring win for Senator Clinton against an opponent who had almost unlimited funds and the mainstream media solidly in his favor. She should get some great momentum from this. Americans don't quit and they deserve a candidate who won't quit on them.
Posted by: John | April 23, 2008 8:31 AM
Hillary scored a massive win last night because she did what she had to do in the Popular Vote, which is a key point with the Superdelegates.
Like it or not the Superdelegates are ALREADY CONTROLLING this race with Obama gaining a + net 60 superdelegates over the past few weeks - without those his lead would only be around 67.
Hillary is on track to beat Obama in Popular Vote if one counts Florida. This category is important because both candidates were on the ballot in Florida and both were not in Michigan.
Alright so where does this put us?
The Superdelegates must make 2 adjustments to their numbers:
1) Hillary deserves delegates out of her wins in Florida and Michigan - the voters there had no part in the primary date debate, however the voters are the ones penalized. In any event, how can a party count Puerto Rico but not Florida and Michigan - Hillary deserves 70 delegates from these two states.
2) Hillary deserves an adjustment for the caucuses and small state - these are two separate anomalies which should be looked at very very carefully. This is another 50 - 80 delegates just for a formula which has gone to Obama, not based on voting strength but a formula.
At this point Hillary deserves to have the media report adjusted numbers if one counts Florida and Michigan.
Real Clear Politics repors Popular Vote with and without these states.
WHY ISNT THE MEDIA REPORTING DELEGATE COUNTS WITH AND WITHOUT FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN ????
I say Hillary deserves 70 delegates out of these states, so the two candidates are 57 delegates apart right NOW.
THAT IS THE WILL OF THE VOTERS.
Go ahead argue with me.
Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 23, 2008 8:18 AM
I have been listening to the NewsHour post vote discussion because they are the least biased. Watching those men and WOMEN on CNN and MSNBC, with their long faces, explaining why Obama didn't really lose is sickening.
Anyway, Bob Herbert was there and his attitude was something like, this is an historic election, first black man blah, blah, and Hillary is messing it up.
That was his attitude and the attitude of other commentators on other stations but I was counting on the NewsHour to be more professional and less, well, misogynistic, frankly.
It was very distressing.
Although one former Democratic Pollster on the FNC of all places, Pat Guidal, mustache and beard, said abruptly when others were lamenting about the continuing contest. "This is not a suicide pact".
Meaning, mooning about Obama not being able to put it away is suicide. Great point.
Sometimes, it is helpful to flip through different channels.
One other point, what do you think about the NYTimes ridiculous editorial about the low road to this win and that Hillary should get out now. What an outrageous editorial. Joe Scarborough said it was as if they were angry that Hillary had the "nerve to get up off the mat" and win. Great line.
Posted by: Hillary Fighter | April 23, 2008 8:05 AM
Obama outspent Clinton 2- or 3-1. He couldn't put her away in PA. Obama couldn't win Massachusetts with Kennedy support. He couldn't win California, Texas. The list goes on. It's great that he's won caucuses; he can't win big elections. And he won't be able to put McCain away either.
Posted by: ike | April 23, 2008 5:59 AM
Hillary has won 9 out of the 10 biggest states. Of these, Obama won only his home state.
Most of the large states need to be in the Democratic column in November. Many of the
states where Obama has shown strength will not be in play for the Democrats in November. Where you win is more important than the number of states you win. Even if Gore had officially won Florida in 2000 or Kerry carried Ohio in 2004, both would lost the majority of states while winning the election. These are the math facts the super delegates will be examining closely.
Posted by: mike 46 | April 23, 2008 3:07 AM
Hillary has won 9 out of the 10 biggest states. Of these, Obama won only his home state.
Most of the large states need to be in the Democratic column in November. Many of the
states where Obama has shown strength will not be in play for the Democrats in November. Where you win is more important than the number of states you win. Even if Gore had officially won Florida in 2000 or Kerry carried Ohio in 2004, both would lost the majority of states while winning the election. These are the math facts the super delegates will be examining closely.
Posted by: mike 46 | April 23, 2008 3:06 AM
A right to the jaw! A left to the gut! Down goes Clinton! Down goes Obama! Down go the Democrats! Gentleman John McCain is the winnaaahhh!
Yes! Fight on, Hillary!
Posted by: JAD | April 23, 2008 2:22 AM
Wow, as predicted, 1st 6-8 posts are childish we're Obama, we're better than everyone posts.
Of course, the title by our beloved writer is already slanted... Geez. It a good race, it will energize the general election and it needs to be played out til the end to demostrate one thing:
$11million doesn't BUY you an election. And why the F- are we spending so much money for a freaken election--we're the people, demand your rights from your congressmen first! Not the president!
Posted by: r95 | April 23, 2008 1:53 AM
ooops, in the above post, I meant to say that an Obama toss to Gore would earn him the a label of "healer," not "dealer" as written above.
Freudian slip?
Posted by: scrivener | April 22, 2008 11:35 PM
TWO LOSERS IN PA PRIMARY -- CLINTON AND OBAMA
EVEN MSM PUNDITS ARE TALKING "THE THIRD WAY"
OBAMA CAN CHECKMATE HILLARY -- BY TOSSING HIS DELEGATES TO GORE
Hillary's victory speech once again showed her iinability to display grace or character. She continues her scorched-earth rhetoric, further ripping her party asunder and doing nothing to repair her image as a self-aggrandizing power-monger. At least Obama showed some class by congratulating her on the PA victory -- a display of political etiquette that Hillary herself could not seem to countenance when the shoe was on the other foot.
The superdelegates will remain largely unimpressed. After all, Hillary started wiwth a 33-point lead and Obama managed to trim that lead by two-thirds.
Now Obama must think about his role in uniting the party and preserving the possibility of victory. Obama must seriously consider throwing his delegates to Gore, allowing him to continue his campaign as Gore's presumptive VP.
To do otherwise is to risk the possibility that the notion of a Hillary candidacy sticks. Hillary cannot win in the fall. Go to her rallies; you will see mostly older women and alternate lifestyle folks (not that there's anything wrong with that). You won't see many white, or black, males. Her multiple-personality, slash-and-burn strategy has turned off Obama's constituents. She has wounded Obama every bit as much as he's wounded himself, and she has done much to pin him with the "unelectable" label.
Now Obama must play the role of party peacemaker and unifier, at the same time curing his own deficits, mainly, the notion that he cannot win and the nagging sense that he is aloof and unable to connect with the average working stiff.
By throwing his delegates to Gore, Obama would prove that ego is not the force driving his candidacy. He can redirect the harsh spotlight on Obama's personal associations and his attitudes about things like pledging allegiance and flag pins. And sets himself up for a possible 16 years in the White House, with a shot at the top job in 2016.
If Hillary succeeds in deluding some superdelegates that she can unite the party she has so badly damaged, Obama may lose his chance to checkmate her with a delegate toss.
The window is closing, Sen. Obama. You can still defeat Hillary and win a seat at the White House table -- if you take the long view and throw your support and delegates to Al Gore. You will be hailed as the savior of the party, a dealer, a selfless patriot -- and you stop Hillary in her tracks.
Please, for the sake of your party and in the interest of self-preservation, pick up the phone and give Al a call.
Posted by: scrivener | April 22, 2008 11:30 PM
This is the most pro-Obama site I have been to with the exception of his own. And I'm not talking about Chris. 4 of every 5 posts is obama supporters spouting and being negative. They are the biggest hypocrites I have ever heard.
She's currently winning by ten points and over 150,000 votes in a major state.
Obama cannot win a major state! He cannot beat HRC-this person who you loathe so much. Why do all the voters from major states know more than you internet blog cronies?
Florida, New York, California, Texas, Ohio, and now PA. The man cannot win the big one. That is very, very scary. Can none of you admit this fact?
Posted by: mattburden | April 22, 2008 11:06 PM
Nothing changes. Obama has more votes, more delegates, more states, more money, more contributors, more new voters. Most crossovers in PA went for Obama. This is about the future, not the past. Clinton's time has past. Super delegates will vote for the future. It's time for the Press to stop pandering to the Clintons and ask them straight out, why they still think they have anything to offer except division.
Posted by: thebob.bob | April 22, 2008 11:06 PM
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Posted by: mattburden | April 22, 2008 11:01 PM
blert-"Boring"
Your post was correct up until this line. This is anything but boring. One may not like HRC to continue or want her to continue. Dems may wish for unity and to be able to focus on McCain. But no matter how you cut it, this is simply fascinating political theatre. It's really "gnirob" (the opposite of boring).
Posted by: Dave! | April 22, 2008 11:00 PM
Unless the margin of Clinton's victory swings radically as the last 20% or so of the votes are counted, Pennsylvania pretty much proves a washout. Obama didn't keep it close enough to force Clinton out, and Clinton didn't open up a wide enough victory to revitalize her campaign. Most importantly, she'll only gain maybe half a dozen delegates overall, which is hardly enough to matter at this point in the elected delegate count.
In short, Pennsylvania puts Clinton no closer to earning the nomination, nor does it put her any closer to dropping out.
Boring.
Posted by: blert | April 22, 2008 10:50 PM
KLB-"She cannot win the nomination."
Talk about your statements not being true! She certainly can win the nomination since supers can vote for whoever they want. It is unlikely she will win but your assertion is mathmatically and logically false.
Posted by: Dave! | April 22, 2008 10:48 PM
What does this moderate win mean? It means that you will hear awhole lot more from Howard Dean about pressuring uncommitted Super delegates to pick a side. I find this very amusing. "Dean, the Democratic National Committee's chairman, said he hoped uncommitted super delegates would make their choices by July 1 to avert a showdown at the party's Aug. 25-28 convention in Denver. Dean said the views of about 330 super delegates are not yet known. He said he continues to look for ways to resolve the battle once the primary season ends in early June."
But then he said a plan pushed by Democratic Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen for a two-day gathering of super delegates in June won't work. "We can't have a convention of super delegates because it would look like 330 delegates are overriding the wishes of 30 million voters."
Now if someone can tell me what the difference is between 330 super delegates deciding the nominee over the course of the next several weeks vs 330 super delegates deciding the nominee at the convention vs 330 super delegates deciding the nominee during a gathering of supers, I'd appreciate it. Because right now, no matter how the Dems do it, 330 supers are going to decide who the nominee is.
Posted by: Dave! | April 22, 2008 10:44 PM
Hillary is on track to just beat Obama in the Popular Vote if one includes Florida where both were on the ballot.
It is not fair to include Michigan where only one was on the ballot.
We basically have a tie on the Popular Vote.
What a mess. What a complete mess.
Hillary could go to the convention claiming more popular votes.
Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 22, 2008 10:33 PM
What is the meaning of a win for Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania?
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2208
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Posted by: Frank, Austin TX | April 22, 2008 10:31 PM
Your statements are not true. Even a double-digit win will not validate HRC's place in this race. She cannot win the nomination. Thus, all she is doing is hurting the Party's chances of winning in November. All statements to the contrary are merely the press attempting to get more ratings or website hits.
Posted by: KLB | April 22, 2008 10:28 PM
Thank you PA for your six delegates. If I do the same for the next 36 primaries, then I will ... what? There aren't that many left? Well f**k, what the hell am I wasting my time for?
Posted by: Hillary Clinton | April 22, 2008 10:28 PM
I guess we have to put up with the Hillary farce and delusion a few more weeks.
Posted by: Les | April 22, 2008 10:25 PM
Barack Obama remains the strongest candidate to face John McCain. Here's a good summary of some reasons to consider supporting Obama: http://acropolisreview.com/2008/04/top-reasons-to-give-barack-obama-your.html
Share the summary with friends in North Carolina and Indiana.
Posted by: Tina | April 22, 2008 10:21 PM
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