Knesset Kerfuffle Shows Obama Not Afraid to Engage
President George W. Bush's comments at the Israeli Knesset yesterday, in which he blasted as "appeasers" anyone who favors talking with rogue states like Iran or radical groups like Hamas, set off a furious back and forth between the Obama and McCain campaigns over foreign policy and national security.
The battle between the two presumptive presidential nominees has at least three lessons worth reflecting on as the general election contest begins in earnest. Let's take them one by one:
First, it showed that despite the fact that Bush is winding up his second term and battling charges of lameduck-ism, he still an unmatched ability to drive the political dialogue in this country.
Make no mistake: This was a pre-planned strategy by the Bush campaign to re-inject foreign policy into the presidential campaign in a way that many Republicans believe will ultimately be beneficial to McCain. Deride Bush -- and his strategic team -- if you will, but remember that Team Bush managed to get their man elected president and then reelected in the face of growing concerns about the war in Iraq and declining popularity numbers. Bush's political judgment since 2004 has proved somewhat suspect, but to dismiss his ability to understand and effectively analyze the political landscape could be a mistake on the part of Democrats.
The second lesson of the Knesset Kerfuffle is that the Democratic presidential nomination race is over. Amid all of the "he said, he said" between Obama and McCain/Bush, the one figure that has been almost entirely absent is Hillary Rodham Clinton. Can you imagine that happening even three months ago?
The third, and most important lesson, is that Obama is ready and willing to fight Republicans over foreign policy and national security concerns.
Bush's remarks at the Knesset provided Obama with an interesting conundrum. Refuse to rise to the bait or engage full force in an attempt to begin to address concerns -- voiced privately by some Democratic strategists -- that the Illinois senator may not be able to win a general election that is framed as a referendum on which party can keep America safe.
Obama, to our mind, took the smarter course by not simply answering the inherent critique offered by the president but also pivoting to try and make McCain answerable for the foreign policy pursued by the United States over the last eight years.
"If George Bush and John McCain want to have a debate about protecting America, that is a debate I will have any time, any place," Obama said today at a rally in Watertown, South Dakota. "George Bush and John McCain have a lot to answer for."
(Obama's campaign dismissed The Fix's attempts to read something into the fact that their candidate made his speech in South Dakota -- a Republican stronghold -- or that former Sen. Tom Daschle (S.D.) -- one of the many people mentioned as a possible running-mate -- was at his side. So much for that.)
In elections past, Democrats have sought to avoid an extended fight with Republicans over foreign policy, preferring to instead fight on the more familiar -- and friendly -- ground of domestic issues like health care and the economy.
The 2004 election may well have signaled a sea change in that strategy, as Bush effectively turned the election into a referendum on the threat of terrorism and the importance of national security as Democrats were unable to mount an effective response.
In the 2006 midterm elections, Democratic candidates fought their Republican opponents much more proactively on matters of national defense and foreign policy, a recognition that ceding that coveted political ground to Republicans was a recipe for success. That same election saw Republicans lose their traditionally large edge as the party voters trusted to deal with issues of national security -- data that further emboldened Democrats to fight back rather than change the subject.
Two years further on, Democrats are even more confident about not just fighting Republicans to a draw on the issue but perhaps even going on offense on it. Obama's comments are a sure sign that his campaign (and the Democratic Party more broadly) believes that it is well positioned to win a debate over foreign policy given the direction George W. Bush has taken the country over the past eight years.
It marks a remarkable change in tactics that speaks to just how much the political landscape has shifted since 2004. McCain and Republicans are certain to work to frame the national security/foreign policy debate in their favor, but Obama's initial response is a sign that they may have to adjust their tactics in the runup to the November election.
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Posted by: Shawn S | May 23, 2008 3:29 AM
When Barack clarified that he would meet with rogue leaders with "preparations" and detailed how it would work.
He just reworded what the Bush's policy is...everything Barack says he would do and what the "preparations" would be is exactly the same way the Bush Administration is doing it.
How is this a change?
With all Barack's huffin and puffin and rallying against Bush and Mccain, I expected him to have something of substance to bring to the table regarding diplomacy...not just more of the same
Posted by: Shawn S | May 23, 2008 3:14 AM
Obama was acting like the politician he was taught to be by WRight. He had to face down Bush, the most unpopular President, ever. He also had to make a stand for his political opinion on conversing with Hamas, a terrorist group committed to the destruction of Israel. That opinion is very controversial. The only points I would give him were his condemnation of Bush for not going after al-Queda.
Posted by: afed27 | May 19, 2008 10:24 PM
The media has given Bush another pass, his comment to the Knesset. For the president of a nation to degrade a respected American to members of a foriegn country and than compare a question of diplomacy to Hitler and the Holocaust and extermination of six million Jews, demonstrated Bush's ignorance and lack of qualifications for the position he unfortunately holds. The Israeli's good manners prevented Bush from being thrown out on the sidewalk. He is an embarrassment to all Americans.
Posted by: kaycwagner | May 19, 2008 8:45 PM
Ho-hum. Anything about Huma yet, Chris? She makes Louis Farrakhan look like Mr. Rogers.
Posted by: sawargos | May 19, 2008 3:03 PM
We need McCain's clear vision of which world leaders that can be trusted and which ones are the new Hitlers. We don't need Obama and is naivete like Neville Chamberlain.
Chamberlain was prime minister of Britain when he watched as Hitler took over Austria. Then he supported Hitler's take over of the Sudetenland section of Czechoslavakia. Then Chamberlain, after meeting with Hitler and signing a peace agreement him in Munich, saw Hitler ignore the agreement and take over all of Czechoslavakia. Then Chamberlain watched Hitler take over Poland, after telling everyone that Hitler could be trusted.
The modern day Hitlers love Barack Obama and how he will allow them to grow in strength all while assuring Obama what men of peace they are. Kuwait would now be in Saddam Hussein's hands if Obama had been president when Iraq invaded Kuwait. And Hussein would now have the atomic bombs he openly said he would use against the United States.
Chamberlain refused to join in the German assassination plot against Hitler before Hitler invaded Austria. If he had not been someone like Obama who believes in meeting with and empowering madmen we would not have had WWII in Europe and the loss of tens of millions of soldiers and tens of millions of citizens. Not to mention the extermination of over 5 million Jews by Adolph "Ahmadinejad" Hitler.
How many modern-day Hitlers would Obama empower? John McCain is no Neville Chamberlain. People like Ahmadinejad will never be strengthened by a McCain presidency.
Posted by: BadgerOne | May 19, 2008 2:02 PM
Re: Don't underestimate Bush political strategy. Is that the same strategy that has him threatening to veto the farm bill and the mortgage homeowners bill? I can only hope he continues to veto these bills and offend EVERY group in the country
Posted by: phil | May 19, 2008 1:47 PM
Only someone with no morals whatsoever like George Bush would use the occasion of a speech to a foreign legislature to attempt to win points in a political contest in the United States. Of course, after watching almost seven years of the most criminal and shameful Administration in American history, nothing surprises me about George Bush. As for the idiots that still support him, the depth of your ignorance is beyond comprehension. Apparently, an 8 trillion dollar deficit (two trillion of which is owed to Communist China), $4.00/gallon gasoline, food rationing, involvement in a war we can't, and will never, win, the destruction of our Constitutional liberties and the loss of the respect and reputation we once enjoyed amongst most nations of the world is not enough for you. Well, go ahead and vote for McSame, and you will witness the transformation of this country into the largest third world country on this planet. And, you're going to have to explain to your children and grandchildren why you allowed the federal government under the Bush Administration to place upon them the crushing burden of an overwhelming debt that should have been paid as it was incurred. It's apparent that approximately 1/3 of the American (Conservative) People are borderline mentally challenged or worse. Yet, I'm confident that the other 2/3 of the American People (Moderates and Liberals) will do the right thing come this November. With 3 recent special elections placing Democrats in offices long held by Republicans, there is a factual basis for my hope.
Posted by: Caliguy55 | May 19, 2008 1:08 PM
Chris, I wish you or another colleague would dig into this issue more someday.
Bush and the Clinton's have done incredible damage to what remained of Israel's support here in America.
The divisions in the country brought to light recently by the battle between Clinton and Obama are less about rich and poor or black v. white, and they certainly aren't about red v. blue. Nor as Harold Ford tries to claim, is this a battle of the true Left v. the Centrists. And the true Left, by the way, has a diverse mix of hawks like myself, centrists and doves. 'Centrists' are another group defined as the DLC.
(We just politely say they're "special".)
This is a singular battle within the Democratic party, between the Hillary/Bush/McCain/Lieberman hard line foreign policy Democrats v. the true moderate Left Wing Democrats.
But you won't hear that mentioned in public -it's easier just to claim Obama can't win the 'whites'.
And an example can be found in our own Senate, where the few hard line Dems repeatedly vote with the Republicans - and not in the bi-partisan manner Lieberman would have you believe, quite the opposite in fact. Hillary is losing the election sole because of her foreign policy votes. She lost me permanently when she voted with Lieberman and the other hard line Dems who joined with all of the Republicans to defeat her own party-including Obama - when the Dems attempted to place a moratorium on the practice of cluster bombing civilian populations.
Is that really the kind of bi-partisanship any Democrat wants?? Hell NO.
Pat Buchanan claimed Bush got a standing ovation by the Knesset for the Nazi/Hitler/appeasement remarks. And it's now been confirmed by the press that the Knesset knew the attacks were aimed specifically at Obama and as a warning shot to the Democratic party.
The Knesset is out of line, and has overstepped it's bounds. Their words, that now dare to ravage the very hands that sacrifice their own sweat and blood to feed it, will get not one more ounce of support from me.
Posted by: hazmaq | May 19, 2008 12:24 PM
You see there are many who can fit this shoe which President Bush has thrown. It could be either Pelosi, Carter (yes..the very Carter that went and tried to negotiate with Hamas a month before. Israelis refused to provide even security for this buffoon!), or those bleeding heart liberals from Europe. But why is Obama jumping up and down? I guess the stone hit the dog very badly? hahaha
Posted by: rationalthinker | May 19, 2008 10:57 AM
Is Obama a uniter? No, He cant even unite his own party for his nomination. He is a great uniter , will work with Republicans. Is he joking? Idiot...this guy has real big ego. Cant wait for Nov to see his ego blasted, mangled and thrown out and also if his stupidest supporters in a generation.
Posted by: rationalthinker | May 19, 2008 10:53 AM
I thought the discussion was about another subject this morning.The President hit a nerve in osama's body, although he did not mention his name, and he swallowered it hook line and sinker. It shows how inexperienced he is , and how on the edge he is. you don't even have to mention his name,but he will jump on it with both feet. He is the most inexperienced person that is running for the presidency. I was taught to answer when you were talked to or addressed directly.He is so afraid someone is going to get one on him, me jumps in the discussion, even when he is not being addressed.And by the way, he blew it terribly.He knows nada about foreign policy, but says he welcomes debate on foreign policy, AND HE WOULD WIN!
Posted by: elmerck | May 19, 2008 10:40 AM
Citizens living in Hawai'i are having *Fits* & *Outraged* writing endless letters and commentaries to both the Honolulu Advertiser and Honolulu Star Bulletin since they printed that the appointed junior Senator is coming to Hawai'i possibly giving a speaking engagement inside Punchbowl National Cemetery of the Pacific in Honolulu, Hawaii. It's a Veteran's National Cemetery not Obama's personal "Soap Box," to stand on and rant; it's a place for those resting in peace. The people of Hawaii are angry at the thought of this and have every right to be at the report he's planning this - it's a disgrace. Punchbowl would NOT be a "wonderful backdrop." Talk about crass -- speechifying in a national cemetery during a political campaign. Imagine this: thousands of enthralled Obama supporters rushing around the cemetery to get close to the man, trampling over the graves of men and women who've given their lives in service to their country. The reactions posted in Comments still, when the idea of a Punchbowl speech was first floated are from angry families whose loved ones rest in peace. National cemeteries are no place for political speeches. Makes you wonder about the maturity and integrity of the people who proposed such a preposterous idea in the first place.
Senator sell your socialism opinions on Capitol Hill, Hawaii's questioning and lost respect for the "so-called," junior appointed Senator who's turned into another Washington D.C.*Wanna-bee* just allot of talk nothing more. You'd make a great car salesman NOT A PRESIDENT you seem to sell plenty of B.S. to those not wise enough to read between the lines of a script written performance; every word out of your mouth is written by a paid staff member whose worked the D.C. circuit for years like the well known Mr. Rove," Yes, he too could write a good speech and America bought it; just look at our current sitting "Bobble head," in the oval office.
Webster's Fourth Edition describes Barack Obama as a "HYPOCRITE,"!!! His own previous Pastor taught Trinity Church words of hate and racism while the Senator and his air-head-of-a-wife passed the tithe platter not giving even as 20 year members. He doesn't support any causes really, not even his own Church "just the views of Reverend Wright's anti-White; anti-Israel; anti-American points of view. The greedy Senator is what the Bible refers to as "HYPOCRITE,"!!! He's a Racist Elitist Marxist or the Antichrist reading his well written speeches. the *Wanna-bee* Washington Politician has in less then 12 months become a disgrace to Christianity- He's not a Christian man of his word; a poor excuse for one.
The Punchbowl National Cemetery of the Pacific in Honolulu, Hawaii is a sacred place for the many lying in Peace, Those US Military young and old, Men and Woman who gave their lives to this country will turn over in their graves at the sound of Obama's political performance if he speaks there. Punchbowl Cemetery it's not a place for a campaign rally "The Senator should keep his political performances with its Washington Socialism undertones to an area more suiting for "HYPOCRITES," Senator your always welcomed to rant at Neil Abercrombie's headquarters, but Punchbowl Cemetery is a resting place of peace and should remain so for those who rest there, - not an arena for your personal political agenda; Show some decency and class moron!!!
Posted by: Pineapple1 | May 19, 2008 12:56 AM
A person who lives on a street corner posted, on May 18 at 6:55A:
"People like us would sacrifice our strength around the world so that the left wing wackos can win an election in this country."
That was in response to a poster called "Sally" who blindly lashed out at one third of her countrymen as "terrorists".
"nevadaandy", who has previously been rational, joined the "Republicans are terrorists" brigade of conversational banter.
Without "sign-in" this web log is doomed to grade school level discourse.
Posted by: MoreAndBetterPolls | May 18, 2008 5:01 PM
'People like us would sacrifice our strength around the world so that the left wing wackos can win an election in this country.'
LOL -- yeah, right now, I'm sure you're writing from Iraq, right? If you're not STFU, chickenhawk.
Posted by: | May 18, 2008 2:51 PM
I am of the opinion this Knesset speech was CALCULATED to help Obama. All of us KNOW the Repubs consider Obama the weakest of of all the viable candidates from the very beginning, and along with The Media, have supported him to a great extent. I think we all KNOW, as well, that every speech given by GW is written by Pros, not him. Just another try to give support to him in their effort to stop Hillary, who most "FEAR" they cannot beat in the GE. I am somewhat surprised by a lot of Posters that doesn't understand how everyone wants to run against who they consider their weakeast opponent. This is Politics 101, and this is where Obama is getting so much help from the Repubs. I can only ask Dems to get together at The Convention and nominate Hillary, and by doing so, we will win back The White House.
Posted by: lylepink | May 18, 2008 1:27 PM
"the democrats are so fond of calling the republicans a bunch of war mongers and falsely attempt to claim some sort of wrecklessness and lack of legitimacy."
Well, in all fairness, the Republicans do have a long history of being appeasers (World War 2) and cut-and-runners (Vietnam, Lebanon), but times do change. That's what makes the history so irrelevant, because today's GOP bears little resemblance to the party of even 30 years ago.
Even when the party could be accused of warmongering, it was back in the Civil War, when the party was northern based and liberal. Maybe the Spanish American War too, but again, a northern based and pretty liberal, big government bunch.
Posted by: Spectator2 | May 18, 2008 12:28 PM
Sally
I have to say a posting like you made at 3:07 is completely inappropriate.
My only comment to you is I do not believe you have the best national security for this nation at heart.
Rather, you would rather gain a few points in overnight polling or win an election
People like us would sacrifice our strength around the world so that the left wing wackos can win an election in this country.
I do not agree with your venom and I do not agree with your hate.
Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 18, 2008 6:55 AM
Response to Sally
You are a hater
Posted by: you | May 18, 2008 6:50 AM
John Cole
Your blog entry deserves the tomatoe.
What are you talking about - there were not enough details in there ?
What there were not enough specifics so you could pick something out and make a massive divisive fight over that one detail?
It appears that your own little pathetic motives are at the heart of your complaints, not anything policy wise.
Your last comments are nothing but full of hate - they say more about you than policy - and they say nothing about the people you wish to tear down.
You are all about hate, not rational policy discussions.
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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 18, 2008 6:48 AM
Spectator2
Just want to give you some history of the parties - the democrats are so fond of calling the republicans a bunch of war mongers and falsely attempt to claim some sort of wrecklessness and lack of legitimacy.
You know everything is true.
It's the people who were initially for the war, not they are against the war, for motives which go not much further beyond a desire for domestic political position - those are the worthy of loathing.
The democrats have been for the war in 2002 and 2004, when it was easy for them to do that. 2006 well you can characterize their position that year.
The democrats have ACTUALLY poisoned the discussion in this country about the best course of action for national security for this country. Not only are their motives selfish and do not have have the nation's best interests at heart. But some of these people are willing to see this nation hurt abroad so they can win some elections here.
yea.
I am stating clearly, there are pathetic little people who do not care about the national security of this nation and simply want to stir passions here so they can win some elections or gain some advantage in overnight polling.
An aspect of that is a COMPLETE DISRESPECT fot the Americans who have died already in Iraq, because these people do not want to see the job through to completion - they want to throw away all our gains.
What are our gains?
We have created a young democracy in the Middle East - we have given people civil rights and a chance at a better future.
We have also shown the world that the US is about more than backing petty royal governments in the Gulf.
AND we have shown that the United States is willing to stand up and fight
- that was one of the major causes of 9/11 Bin Laden was convinced we would cut and run.
Well, he was right about some in the democratic party - however most Americans are willing to stand and fight.
Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 18, 2008 6:40 AM
The math simply doesn't add up for Obama. If he wins every primary from now until the convention, he still won't have enough delegates to win the nomination. I think he should drop out.
Posted by: rob | May 18, 2008 12:16 AM
Many of these "legitimizers" are the same dangerous loons who wouldn't mind seeing Israel turned into Palestine, after all the Israeli Jews are expelled!
You mean like the Secretary of State, Robert Gates, who said:
We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage with respect to the Iranians and then sit down and talk with them. If there's going to be a discussion, then they need something, too. We can't go to a discussion and be completely the demander with them not feeling that they need anything from us.
Another america-hater
Posted by: Spike | May 17, 2008 11:32 PM
Kindam off-topic, but very funny!
"Ann Hart Coulter (born December 8, 1961) is an American conservative pundit, a syndicated columnist, a best-selling author, a frequent television and radio guest, a self-described "polemicist," and a self-promoting dick. Best known for purveying hate, Coulter revels in the mass loathing she herself inspires, a delight so aberrational as to invite speculation that she may in fact be an alien life form. That, actually, would explain a lot."
(more here: http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Ann_Coulter
Posted by: eliana | May 17, 2008 11:30 PM
This is my first - and last - time on this site. What a pathetic waste of time the semi-literate, spineless Liborats are! Of course, anyone minimizing the genocidal rantings of Adolf Ahmadingbat would gladly sit down with the little monster, if only to give him the image of legitimacy. Many of these "legitimizers" are the same dangerous loons who wouldn't mind seeing Israel turned into Palestine, after all the Israeli Jews are expelled!
Shalom (in the case, meaning "good-bye!)
Posted by: blackie | May 17, 2008 9:33 PM
37th and O: your take on history is quite amusing.
The Republicans "got us out of Vietnam."
Eisenhower "stopped the war" in Korea.
Roosevelt "got us into World War 2."
Truman "got us into Korea."
These are some of the funniest statements I have ever seen on these boards. They display a simplemindedness that is breathtaking.
Posted by: Spectator2 | May 17, 2008 8:39 PM
Obviously the McCain spin was all about politics. But the substantive policy piece of this should not be ignored. As has been clarified on numerous occasions by Senator Obama, the candidates' policies are identical on the issue of Hamas--a terrorist organization with whom there will be no engagement. That symmetry is rather a shame. Current policy, including toward Hamas, is not working. It is not delivering security to Israelis or Palestinians, not advancing the peace process and not contributing to overall re-stabilization in a dangerously radicalized Middle East. Israel is currently in the midst of considering Egyptian-mediated ceasefire possibilities with Hamas. Very senior Israeli officials and ex-officials.
Is it a reasonable distinction for Sen. Obama to draw that Hamas is a non-state actor & therefore is not to-be-engaged with?
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2420
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Posted by: Frank, Austin TX | May 17, 2008 6:12 PM
Who's the candidate of Hamas?
Really, I don't see why we take statements from terrorists at face value. Hamas won the 2006 elections and seized control of the Gaza Strip thanks to the Bush-McCain policy. Now Hezbollah has taken western Beirut. These guys are pleased with how they're doing and they'd like to see the policy continue. Osama bin Laden pulled the same trick with his video release days before the 2004 election. People though he was supporting Kerry, but now even the CIA concludes that it was a calculated attempt to help Bush. Why would we fall for such a stunt again? The only way we're going to get things right is if we vote without fear.
Details and citations at: http://gawksquawk.blogspot.com/2008/05/whos-candidate-of-hamas.html
Posted by: Gawksquawk | May 17, 2008 6:00 PM
Wow. The election is really heating up now. But, you won't believe these poll results!
Posted by: John | May 17, 2008 4:06 PM
No doubt, John McCain's attempt to lay out the goals of his prospective presidency was a worthy and honorable effort--but there was something deeply hilarious about it as well. Take his paragraph about Iraq:
'
By January 2013, America has welcomed home most of the servicemen and women who have sacrificed terribly so that America might be secure in her freedom. The Iraq War has been won. Iraq is a functioning democracy, although still suffering from the lingering effects of decades of tyranny and centuries of sectarian tension. Violence still occurs, but it is spasmodic and much reduced. Civil war has been prevented; militias disbanded; the Iraqi Security Force is professional and competent; al Qaeda in Iraq has been defeated; and the Government of Iraq is capable of imposing its authority in every province of Iraq and defending the integrity of its borders. The United States maintains a military presence there, but a much smaller one, and it does not play a direct combat role.'
And the tooth fairy will spread giggle-juice throughout the land, and the Mets will win the World Series and I will lose 20 pounds while continuing to consume vast quantities of Chinese and Italian food.
Posted by: Joe | May 17, 2008 3:34 PM
Down The Rabbit Hole
Sullivan asks: "And did Bush's Nazi silliness unwittingly stomp on McCain's big speech today?"
To which I respond, if McCain is lucky. I briefly blogged about the McCain speech yesterday, asking why he chose 2013 as a good time to withdraw the troops, and after having some time last night to watch more of the speech and read the whole thing, I have my answer.
There is no answer. The whole speech is made up. It is all, every last word of it, pure fantasy. There was no outlining of plans, no presentation of facts that would lead you to believe all of the things he "sees" in his "vision" will come to pass- it was nothing but pure nonsense. Here is a partial list of things he sees in his "vision":
We "win" in Iraq. No mention of what "winning" actually means.
The Taliban is "defeated." How? Who knows?
We have a bigger Army and bigger Marine corps, and they are "better" trained and "better" equipped.
Bin Laden will be dead.
The economy will be "growing."
New trade agreements leading to increased exports. Who are the agreements with? Who knows? What are we exporting? Who cares?
Health care will be "affordable." How? FORCE OF WILL, BABY. Don't you know John McCain is a veteran!
And on and on and on it goes. He might as well have also promised to cure AIDS, give everyone a PONY, and promised time travel.
And what is so amazing about it is that most of the press seems to have taken this... seriously. Why was he not laughed off the stage? Why, after eight years of an administration making their own reality, is this buffoon offering us visions and people are not throwing tomatoes at him? This is insanity, plain and simple.
Posted by: John Cole | May 17, 2008 3:32 PM
'Resident George W. Bush will join John McCain for a fundraiser in the Arizona senator's hometown later this month, McCain's campaign confirms. '
Isn't that sweet? the twins appearing in public together.
Posted by: | May 17, 2008 3:23 PM
what is wrong with these people's brains?
"As HuffPost's Jason Linkins reported earlier this week, the GOP's brand new slogan, "Change You Deserve", is also the registered advertising slogan of Effexor XR, an antidepressant drug.
Seeing as the GOP has scheduled a special meeting for next week to discuss their political slide, they may also want to consider coming up with a new slogan, especially as some in the party are questioning the wisdom of the current slogan. The New York Times reports:
Aides to Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, the Republican leader, said party leaders viewed the session as a continuation of their new "Change You Deserve" agenda and welcomed it as a chance for Republicans to provide feedback.[...[
Some lawmakers and Republican strategists have also asked why the leadership did not drop or refine its "Change You Deserve" message after it learned that it was also the slogan of an antidepressant drug, creating an easy punch line for Democrats."
Posted by: LOL | May 17, 2008 3:14 PM
"LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- He was known as a presidential candidate with a sense of humor. But Mike Huckabee's joke at the National Rifle Association convention Friday was a dud.
Appearing in front of about 6,000 gun rights activists, Huckabee's speech was interrupted by a loud noise. The former Arkansas governor said, "That was Barack Obama. He just tripped off a chair. He's getting ready to speak and somebody aimed a gun at him and he -- he dove for the floor."
The comment was immediately noted on news websites and by bloggers who found the crack about Obama getting shot at inappropriate."
no kidding.
Posted by: republican racist preacher | May 17, 2008 3:09 PM
No question that repugs are terrorists, fearmongers, and liars.
Bush is the worst kind of human scum, but McCain may turn out to be just as bad--it's looking that way.
Posted by: Sally | May 17, 2008 3:07 PM
nevadaandy, either you're 15 yrs old and secretly using the computer in mommy's basement, you're a complete idiot, or you're a troll, posting something insane to provoke a response.
So which is it?
Posted by: JD | May 17, 2008 2:57 PM
McCain confuses his enemies again?
He told reporters that Hamas had called Israel a "rotting corpse."
Nope, that Ahmadinejad
Posted by: Maassive | May 17, 2008 1:41 PM
Response to nevadaandy
AND the Weather Underground, and Obama's friends are not ???
Willima Ayers is not ???
With friends like Ayers EXACTLY what kind of administration does Obama want????
Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 1:03 PM
As a HC supporter I pray for the rapid and full recovery of Ted Kennedy as I am sure Hillary and the entire Clinton family and capaign will share.
We love you Teddy.
Posted by: Leichtman | May 17, 2008 12:32 PM
The dictionary defines terror as "a state of intense fear," and terrorism as " the systematic use of terror esp. as a means of coercion."
Based on these definitions, the Republican party can be defined as a terroristic organization when they attempt to spread fear about the Democratic party in order to coerce votes for their candidate.
Posted by: nevadaandy | May 17, 2008 12:24 PM
The dictionary defines terror as "a state of intense fear," and terrorism as " the systematic use of terror esp. as a means of coercion."
Based on these definitions, the Republican party can be defined as a terroristic organization when they attempt to spread fear about the Democratic party in order to coerce votes for their candidate.
Posted by: nevadaandy | May 17, 2008 12:23 PM
The dictionary defines terror as the "state of intense fear," and terrorism as "the systematic use of terror esp. as a means of coercion."
Based on these definitions, the Republican party can be classified as spreading terrorism when they attempt to spread fear about how the Democrats would respond to terrorists in order to coerce votes for their candidate.
Posted by: nevadaandy | May 17, 2008 12:18 PM
"In elections past, Democrats have sought to avoid an extended fight with Republicans over foreign policy,"
But never has any administration fouled up foreign policy quite so badly as the Bush administration has.
Iraq, of course, is the epitome. but the Bush League has fouled up everything from abandoning teh Kyoto Protocol to sabotaging the World Court.
On 9/11, we had teh world's sympathy. Today, we have the world's disgust.
Posted by: Frank Palmer | May 17, 2008 12:17 PM
ibsage
Is this the Obama campaign talking? The Obama campaign puts staffers on shifts here - does that limit apply to each staffer at Obama headquarters or to each shift or to the campaign itself?
ibsage Lets be clear here, the abuses on here are from the Obama campaign
And the Obama people.
Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 12:01 PM
why doesn't everyone make a comitment to limit themselves to a max of three posts on any blog topic. if you can't say it in three tries, you probably don't have anything to say.
Posted by: ibsage | May 17, 2008 11:37 AM
Another state along with W Va for Obama to write off:
Rassmussen 5-17-08
Arkansas:
McCain 57% Obama 33% +24
HC 53% McCain 39% +14
Obama certainly is agreed to be better general election candidate as long as HC is willing to go to W Va and Arkansas and campaign for him.
Posted by: Leichtman | May 17, 2008 11:30 AM
OK nclwtk
(if you want to call that a name)
Say something useful and provocative
I dare you.
Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 11:16 AM
The democrats are simply attempting to gain some extra points in the overnight polling - for that they are willing to sacrifice the national security of this nation.
Obama is weak on terrorism.
Bill Clinton was weak on terrorism - do I have to get the list of terrorist incidents that the democrats did little to counter.
- the first World Trade Center bombing New York 1993
- the Khobar Towers - US personnel
- the bombing of the US embassey in Kenya
- the bombing of the US embassey in Tanzania
- the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen
OK so the democrats did ALMOST NOTHING in response to these incidents.
What happened? They kept on coming at us until 3000 Americans were killed.
Yes, I am saying that Bill Clinton was WEAK on terrorism and that was in part a reason for 9/11.
NOW the democrats are OFFERING US THE SAME SOLUTION - WEAKNESS ON TERRORISM.
Somehow the democrats are attempting to convince the country that "if we ignore them, they will go away."
Lets send Obama back to Hyde Park where he can hang out with Bill Ayers and keep Obama away from the White House.
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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 11:13 AM
Why do idiots get to post without giving a name? How can two people be allowed to take up all this space on the blog without having much useful to say, once, let alone the constant repeating?
Garbage in, garbage out especially when so many have so much useful and provocative things to say
Posted by: nclwtk | May 17, 2008 11:12 AM
Oracle
your post at 10:49 makes no sense
you said you looked it up and found I was correct
However you still claim I am wrong - why dont you simply admit you are wrong???
If you are so close, visit Robert E. Lee's house today and get some history.
This country is safer now than compared to 8 years ago.
8 years ago they were convinced we would not stand and fight -
bin Laden was right about one thing - the democrats do cut and run.
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Posted by: | May 17, 2008 11:06 AM
Oracle
your post at 10:49 makes no sense
you said you looked it up and found I was correct
However you still claim I am wrong - why dont you simply admit you are wrong???
If you are so close, visit Robert E. Lee's house today and get some history.
This country is safer now than compared to 8 years ago.
8 years ago they were convinced we would not stand and fight -
bin Laden was right about one thing - the democrats do cut and run.
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Posted by: | May 17, 2008 11:06 AM
Oracle I just want you to see your party for what it is
When they saw some electoral advantage in the Iraq war, they were in favor of it.
In fact, the democrats were afraid to go through the 2002 elections without supporting the war.
In 2004, the democrats were AGAIN in favor of the war
What are you talking about ????
The democrats turned on a strong national security policy for this country.
WHY? They see some extra votes in it - the democrats dont really care about finishing the job in the Middle East, they dont care about what the right foreign policy is for our country.
They just want a few extra votes - they dont care if that means taking a chance on the nation's security.
That is what INEXPERIENCE will do to you - make one willing to take chances.
I would rather see a leader who does not want to take chances with our national security.
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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 10:53 AM
Lol. It might be LISTED as a Civil war Cemetary. But make no mistake, its VETERANS Cemetary genius. Anyway, I grow tired. Your weak arguments keep getting shot down and you have no right to speak about making anybody safer with Bush and the last 8 yrs. period.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 10:49 AM
Oracle
Then if you can see that, look up and see that house? That is Robert E. Lee's house. Arlington was his family farm.
They took over the property and made it a Civil War cemetery.
OK, why don't you go over there and get some information?
Then go get your voter registration and switch parties because obviously you are mistaken about Obama - he is not who you think he is.
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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 10:44 AM
To be honest, I can almost see the Tomb of the UNknown from my post. Whens the last time you been their armchair patriot??
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 10:39 AM
Oracle
The democrats are weak on terror
William Ayers is a good friend of Obama.
Clinton pardoned some of Ayer's friends - see how close they all really are??
Obama is weak on national security and foreign policy
Why take a chance on this inexperienced kid who prefers to go on book tours to actually holding hearings on foreign policy as Chairman of a Senate Committee ???
The more you think about it, the more it is a joke.
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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 10:39 AM
Ya know.....As a matter of fact, I work there. Actually at Ft. Myer which is adjacent to Arlington Cemetary. I watch old Generals and young men from the Iraq war get buried there almost everyday.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 10:38 AM
Lol. No Obama campaign man here. Just an informed voter watching you guys hate yourself into a hypocritical early grave.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 10:35 AM
Oracle
Did you look up the Arlington cemetery and find out how wrong you are ????
Please do and get back to us.
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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 10:34 AM
Yea.....right. So....We shudn't have went into World wars 1 and 2?? Lol. Your arguments get less relevant by the post. Kennedy and Johnson did start the Vietnam war. I'm not a fan of it, but I could understand trying to stem the tide of Communism. But who kept it going when it was clear it was not going anywhere?? Yep, a republican. That war was at least started for a reason. But this one WAS NOT!!!! Care to go on??
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 10:33 AM
Oracle are you alone at Obama headquarters???
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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 10:32 AM
'You really are stupid - Obama's campaign PRE-PLANNED to take some relatively innocent comment from the Clintons and TWIST it around in order to pretend to be "OFFENDED" right before SuperTuesday.'
Bill Maher(sp) had a name for such tactics. He called it False Outrage.
Its typical Old School politics of the worst sort from the hypocritical campaign of supposed New Politics.
Posted by: Leichtman | May 17, 2008 10:29 AM
Oracle
The democrats got us into most of the wars in the past 100 years
Wilson
Roosevelt
Truman Korea
Kennedy Johnson - Vietnam
Eisenhower actually stopped the war in Korea
The Republicans got us out of Vietnam.
Who are you trying to kid ?
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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 10:27 AM
Its a shame you've fallen into ill-bred preconceived notions. Look, he ran a better campaign. Maybe if she didn't run on a incumbent mantra, and she planned past super Tuesday i'd be getting ready to vote for her in Nov and not Obama. Oh well, Ce la vie!!!!
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 10:25 AM
Oracle
I suggest you start doing some research before start talking.
First, walk over to the other room at Obama headquarters and find out what really happened with the PRE-PLANNING of being "OFFENDED" by something right before SuperTuesday.
Then you can tell us the truth - just get the story because I really believe that you do not know - so ask someone else on the Obama campaign right next to you.
Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 10:20 AM
Ever seen Lions for Lambs?? That is your Republicans, and alot of their supporters.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 10:20 AM
They lower taxes for the rich and then send the lower class off to fight. Real patriotism there.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 10:18 AM
Lol. If the Dems are weak on terror. The Repugnicans are are weak on the economy ans stupid on terror. Wheres Bin Laden?? Wheres the WMD?? You guys haven't a clue.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 10:16 AM
And this from a man who thinks Arlington Cemetary is a "Civil War" Cemetary?? Yea, okay, uhhhhhh. What ever you say man.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 10:15 AM
Oracle
Thank you for bringing that up - the democrats are weak on terrorism.
The Weatherman were volunteering at the DNC during the Clinton years.
Thank you for pointing that out.
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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 10:14 AM
Oracle
Obama is not an elitist, but an elitist-wanna-be.
There is a big difference.
The difference is elitists are willing to criticize other elitists, because they are secure in their position, and they know that criticism and truth will not hurt their position.
Obama is an elitist-wanna-be.
Elitist-wanna-bes are pathetic little people who are afraid to say anything, criticize anyone for fear of the real elitists tossing them aside - Obama is a hanger-on, a pathetic little man.
Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 10:12 AM
And for you well well well, look. The last Dog has died, we're buring it now. Give up, I know its just easier to blame other people for your woes. Be a man.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 10:11 AM
And lets turn this into a policy debate. Actually, taking Saddam out strengthend Iran. Iraq was Iran's mortal enemy. It also weakened our economy. It is now the most exspensive war in our HISTORY!!!!! Come on man, at least try to SOUND intelligent.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 10:08 AM
Graytok
I believe you have issues with the truth when it does not support your side.
How about embracing the truth?
- Obama has been "pushed ahead" by affirmative action on practically every point on his resume.
- Obama has no experience.
- Obama has not held hearing in the only Chairmanship he has been given - ironically in foreign policy
- Obama instead of going to Washington and doing his job, went on a book tour.
- Obama DOES have experience with terrorists - his friend Bill Ayers.
The truth is out.
Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 10:07 AM
Actually you Dumba$$, its a veterans Cemetary. Did JFK fight in the civil war?? Who's Stupid??
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 10:05 AM
Oracle
You really are stupid - Obama's campaign PRE-PLANNED to take some relatively innocent comment from the Clintons and TWIST it around in order to pretend to be "OFFENDED" right before SuperTuesday.
It was in their campaign strategy.
They did not care that it made Obama a hypocrite with his campaign theme of a post-racial canidate, transcending the old politics of race.
Instead, Obama embraced the old politics.
I really think you are too stupid to make comments here.
Posted by: Well Well Well | May 17, 2008 10:03 AM
Oracle
Not sure what you meant by that stupid remark Arlington is a Civil War cemetery. Are you somehow implying you are against the Civil War which freed the slaves?
What is your point really?
Why don't you make your point and attempt to support it so we can shred your position to pieces????
Saddam Husseing was giving the families of suicide bombers $25,000 each as an incentive to kill civilians.
That pretty much makes him a war criminal -
yea
In addition, at the end of this we are going to have a stable democracy in Iraq.
I understand you want to throw away the democracy in Iraq - so that you can claim a few extra points on your overnight polling in the US.
The point is our national security is stronger because we are rid of Saddam Hussein who WAS giving money to terrorists who WERE suicide bombers.
We simply did not want him to start doing that here in the US.
It was smart to get rid of him.
NOW the democrats see some extra votes in turning yellow.
That is no way to run a foreign policy.
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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 9:57 AM
Hillary who? At least that is settled.
Insofar as "inserting" Iraq into the campaign dialogue.... bring it on. It is just one of the multitudinous policy stink bombs of the Bush/McCain cabal, a real softball for Obama.
The campaign against Obama will be VERY personal... the GOP has nowhere else to go.
Posted by: Truth Hunter | May 17, 2008 9:56 AM
Come on dude. You know that was the media who hyped up a dumb statement from Clinton. Why do ya'll love scapegoats?? I'll say this much. do I think it was a racist statement?? No. But whats good for the goose is good for the Gander. if you all can jump on the "bittergate" comment, why can't we speak on snap comments??
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 9:53 AM
Chris:
I must take issue with your comment that this remark was pre-planned by Bush.
That is illogical on several levels.
One is that the Republicans want to distance themelves from Bush - see the Al Hunt interview with Rep. Davis -
The other is I doubt Bush is now a surrogate speaker for McCain - where did you get that wacky idea?
INSTEAD - this was pre-planned by OBAMA'S PEOPLE, JUST LIKE THE ATTACK ON BILL CLINTON'S SUPPOSED 'OFFENSIVE' REMARKS AFTER SOUTH CAROLINA.
Chris I am not sure how you got this idea - sounds like you do not have a source in the White House - but you are repeating a talking point of Obama's campaign.
I would really like to see the media IDENTIFY the talking points of the campaign when they are repeated - too many times this year the media has been "reporting" the talking points almost like they are original ideas or even facts.
Hasn't anyone learn the lessons from Judy Miller and the aluminium tubes on the front page of the new york times ????
Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 17, 2008 9:49 AM
I don't look down on people. I just can't stand incessant crying, complaining, and hating. Get over yourselves. You go around voting for the people who pander to you. Instead of who tells you the truth. Then you attack a man for flimsy ridiculous connections, when the other candidates have Arlington Cemetary in their closets.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 9:48 AM
The stupid part of that comment is that is that you people truly believe that a man that was once on food stamps is an elitest. While the candidates you support are MULTI-millionaires. How simple minded can you be??
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 9:46 AM
Yep, while the Republicans attack Obama so fiercely, they are ignoring the ethics problems McCain is facing in his campaign posse--that one is going to blow sky high!--his obvious lack of knowledge about the economy that would push the US into even more debt if he were anywhere near the Presidency, his wife's tortured and twisted past (if the Reps make Michelle a target, Cindy is fair game and she is a heck of alot more vulnerable that Michelle to swift boating), McCains long record of double-talk, his sucking up with Pres Bush....the list goes on. For ever single petty objection you lob at Obama, there can be ten more incoming aimed at McCain. But if you want to be as delusional as your candidate, keep them coming.
Oh, by the way: any of you want to take on McCain's 'dream' that we will have won in Iraq by the end of his first term with his SERIOUS backpedaling on his bus once someone nudged him and told him what he had actually said? He was fighting his own words just hours after he said them.
Yep, that's a real leader for you. Waffling within hours of statements. The doubletalk express at its finest.
Posted by: Kitty | May 17, 2008 9:43 AM
The Oracle - it appears that you "look down" on people which you do not agree with.
sort of like Obama looking down on people who are from small towns.
How pathetic you "faux elitists" you are.
I don't find Obama to be elite.
Obama is more like an "elitist-wanna-be" - There is nothing elite about him - and affirmative action kid who is way beyond his ability - so he simply continues to thrive on lies and twisting people's words around.
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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 9:42 AM
I have to agree with Graytok.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 9:39 AM
Gosh, the Republicans must REALLY be running scared to take over a blog and posst the same terrorist attack emails over and over again. Unlike the material you focus on, many of us open-minded folks are quite capable of reading the news and digesting it without spin, and the fact is that Obama is doing GREAT--ergo the McCain supporters desperate ploy to overwhelm blogs everywhere.
BTW, if you are going to attack every slip that Obama makes (he meant 57 primaries), I think you need to step back and understand that YOUR candidate is the master of all slippage, and you are indeed on s slippery slope that will end up doing much more harm to McCain in the long run.
Posted by: Graytok | May 17, 2008 9:35 AM
So you shud be mad that Bill Clinton pardoned 2 of the CONVICTED Weatherman huh??
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 9:35 AM
Oh yea Obama is qualified to talk to terrorists - Obama has a great deal of EXPERIENCE TALKING TO BILL AYERS
That is ONE AREA OBAMA REALLY DOES HAVE EXPERIENCE IT.
I guess Axelrod IS attempting to highlight the areas of Obama's resume in which Obama actually does have EXPERIENCE.
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Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 9:33 AM
This is a very good point - what is Obama qualified to do beyond organize a bunch of latte liberals and win a bunch of caucus states in which the democrats are concentrated on the far left?
Oh yea.
The other thing Obama is qualified to do is pretend that comments are "offensive" - like when he united the black community behind him by twisting around some remarks by Bill Clinton.
Obama is also qualified to talk to terrorist like William Ayers - and work with him to win a State Senate seat in a district heavily populated by the black community.
Oh, Obama is qualified to go on a book tour as well - has anyone actually sat down, listed out the qualifications one would think a President would need - and consider whether Obama is qualified???
Posted by: Well Well Well | May 17, 2008 9:31 AM
Lol. I see the dumba$$'s are out......
Posted by: The Oracle | May 17, 2008 9:26 AM
The truth of the matter is Obama is weak on foreign policy.
The democrats gave him the chairmanship of a foreign policy committee.
AND Obama did not do his job - he never held hearings - the one area which was handed to him - which he could build up his resume by actually doing something - he did not do his job.
Just like when Obama went to Washington as a Senator.
Obama did not do his job - he went on a book tour - collecting a paycheck everyweek along the way.
yea
Why Obama's team would seek out a foreign policy issue right now is a little stupid - why highlight a weakness?
Chris one has to wonder how good Obama's team really is - it appears they have been making some mistakes - I for one believe that Obama is not qualified in the foreign policy field.
Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 9:25 AM
Obama said, " I will meet with the leaders of terrorist nations without preconditions when I become President".
Now he says, "I never said that!!! They are lying on me Blah blah blah, blah...."
Can't this man get his act together? He is NOT READY to be Commander-in-Chief!!!!!!
I am so tired of hearing about his WHITE GRANDPARENTS....he never talks about his BLACK GRANDPARENTS or either of his fathers....the African or the man who was step-dad. Mom doesn't get a lot of play either. Maybe she too was "typical white person".
He needs to explain...REZKO, AUCHI, and so much more.............NOT TO MENTION MR SINCLAIR.............. AND WHAT HE KNOWS ABOUT THE MURDER OF THE GAY CHOIR DIRECTOR FROM HIS CHURCH.
Posted by: Ebonyflash | May 17, 2008 9:22 AM
Chris:
We are going to have to keep a close eye on Obama - manufacturing false issues. This is a trick basically - make an issue out of something someone said which really was not intended.
Obama's team is not very good.
Bush's comments were aimed at Carter, not Obama.
I am not sure why Obama decided to make this an issue at this point - on a subject which Obama is weak.
Observers will note that the comment was not about Obama - then Obama has the nerve to bunch Bush and McCain together - as if they have been best buddies for years.
Obama is a bit out of his element.
If Obama wants to tie McCain to Bush, Obama is basically practicing a deception - and once the American public gets the whole story, they will come to the conclusion that Obama is a liar just like Bill Clinton.
Posted by: 37th&OStreet | May 17, 2008 9:21 AM
Obama said, " I will meet with the leaders of terrorist nations without preconditions when I become President".
Now he says, "I never said that!!! They are lying on me Blah blah blah, blah...."
Can't this man get his act together? He is NOT READY to be Commander-in-Chief!!!!!!
I am so tired of hearing about his WHITE GRANDPARENTS....he never talks about his BLACK GRANDPARENTS or either of his fathers....the African or the man who was step-dad. Mom doesn't get a lot of play either. Maybe she too was "typical white person".
He needs to explain...REZKO, AUCHI, and so much more.............NOT TO MENTION MR SINCLAIR.............. AND WHAT HE KNOWS ABOUT THE MURDER OF THE GAY CHOIR DIRECTOR FROM HIS CHURCH.
Posted by: Ebonyflash | May 17, 2008 9:20 AM
Obama said, " I will meet with the leaders of terrorist nations without preconditions when I become President".
Now he says, "I never said that!!! They are lying on me Blah blah blah, blah...."
Can't this man get his act together? He is NOT READY to be Commander-in-Chief!!!!!!
I am so tired of hearing about his WHITE GRANDPARENTS....he never talks about his BLACK GRANDPARENTS or either of his fathers....the African or the man who was step-dad. Mom doesn't get a lot of play either. Maybe she too was "typical white person".
He needs to explain...REZKO, AUCHI, and so much more.............NOT TO MENTION MR SINCLAIR.............. AND WHAT HE KNOWS ABOUT THE MURDER OF THE GAY CHOIR DIRECTOR FROM HIS CHURCH.
Posted by: Ebonyflash | May 17, 2008 9:19 AM
Incidentally jnoel who is convinced that Sen Obama will win 49 states includind W Va, Ted Koppel said in San Antonio yesterday that it is McCain's election to lose so you Obama supporters need to wake up and get off of your high horse and stop presuming that you can just stomp your feet and that 48 per cent of the party will just line up behind your guy because you insist they must.
jnoel; 'I am absolutely certain that Obama is the strongest general election candidate.'
absolutely certain like every other Obama suupporter.
reality; today's Gallup Poll
Obama 45 McCain 45
HC 48 McCain 45
So much for that know it all absolue certainty.
Posted by: Leichtman | May 17, 2008 8:57 AM
Colin, Bokonon, and Blarg:
If you see this, pls drop me a note from a dummy email if you want - some of us want to hear from you.
mark_in_austin@operamail.com
Posted by: MarkInAustin | May 17, 2008 8:56 AM
Hillary Clinton's plummets Obama in West Virginia and raises serious doubts over Barack Obama's ability.
It is a fact that no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia, Obama lost West Virginia by more than 40 points, an enormous fall, voters who went against Obama -- white, rural, older, low-income and without college degrees -- don't just live in West Virginia. They live everywhere in the country, in places Obama needs to win in a general election. In anticipation of the West Virginia primary, college students for Obama were hurling insults at farmers and truck drivers. Now we hear pained remarks from the Obama camp that many white men won't vote for any black. Oh really? No one was complaining during the early races in Iowa, Maryland, Virginia and Wisconsin, when most of the white male participants backed Obama. That was before the Rev. Jeremiah Wright ugliness became public. Obama's inability to persuade working-class white voters to back him points to serious problem for him in the presidential election. A large percentage of voters who backed Mrs Clinton said they would not vote for Obama in the presidential race if he becomes the nominee. Disrespecting the nearly 17 million who have supported Clinton is politically unwise, but turning them into "the enemy" is insane. Bill Clinton presided over the longest peacetime expansion since World War II. His budget surpluses put his so-called conservative predecessors and successor to shame. Wouldn't a vow to build on the Clinton legacy, rather than dismantle it, be a better tack for the Obama campaign? More proof Obama is to inexperienced and as a political elite out of touch with everyday America, Obama received glowing, it's-over-he-is-the-nominee coverage for the past six days, and that amounted to nothing in West Virginia. One has to wonder if the giddy praise and tingling feelings jolting up the legs of ALL at CNN and the Chris Matthewses, Keith Olbermanns cable news "Wright-free zones" of the world amounts to a hill of beans. Voters have figured out the biased media and no longer relying on them for truth!
Posted by: | May 17, 2008 8:29 AM
OBAMA LIES AGAIN AND MAINSTREAM MEDIA LIKE CNN HIDES IT!
VOTERS ARE SICK OF THE MEDIA EXCUSING OBAMA NO MATTER WHO HE OFFENDS!!!!
Sen. Obama referres to himself as 'a constitutional law professor on the campaign trail. TRUTH: He never held any such title! Obama changed website bio to reflect that he was a 'lecturer' rather than 'professor. Chicago Daily Herald
Obama gets 4 Pinocchio's for 100 Years War-Wondered why the national media won't call out Obama for his serial distortions on McCain's Iraq comments, the Globe tried to help Obama rationalize it. Michael Dobbs scolded Obama in today's Fact Checker
MSNBC-OBAMA: ANOTHER SUPER, EXAGGERATION
Washington Post caught Obama in a lie about the Kennedy family role.
The WashigntonPost Fact Check- Senator Obama CAUGHT LYING about Kennedy Role in Helping His Father Contrary to Obama's claims in speeches Kennedy family did not provide the funding for a September 1959 airlift of 81 Kenyan students to the United States that included Obama's father. According to historical records and interviews with participants, the Kennedys were approached for support for the program a year later, July 1960. family responded with a $100,000 donation, which went to pay for a second airlift in September 1960.
Judicial Watch:
By Klaus Marre-Obama 'intended to leave no paper trail' OBAMA REFUSES to cooperate in releasing 8 years of his state senate records. One main reason REZKO!
Politico reports, "During his first run for elected office, Barack Obama played a greater role than he acknowledges in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion- positions that appear at odds with the more moderate image he's projected during his presidential campaign. The evidence comes from an amended version of an Illinois voter group's detailed questionnaire, filed under his name during his bid for a state Senate. In response to a Politico story, Obama's answers he never saw questioaire?
NBC- Aswini Anburajan
OBAMA LIES IN PENNSYLVANIA AD
It's unfortunate that Senator Obama is using false advertising to explain why he can be trusted to do something about energy prices. In his ad, Obama says, I'm Barack Obama, and I don't take money from oil companies or lobbyists, and I won't let them block change any more. Obama has been the recipient of more than $220,000 from the oil and gas industry just since as of Feb/08. Two of Obama's campaign bundlers are also CEOs for oil and gas companies, per his campaign Web site? Obama needs to answer to VOTERS about his dealings with one of his largest contributors Exelon, a big nuclear power company that he cut deals behind closed doors protecting them from full disclosure in the nuclear industry. Exxon, Shell, and others are among his biggest donors
Obamas record shows he infact did support the war when he got to the senate, voted twice against bringing America's troops back home. He voted for war appropriations giving our money to Halliburton and Blackwater where Texas woman, was gang-raped by her co-workers at a Halliburton/KBR camp in Baghdad, His latest bit of posturing S 433 allows the Bush Administration to suspend any troop withdrawal, if not suspended, keeps the troops in Iraq for a long time to come
Obama said he goofed on votes angered fellow Democrats in the Senate when he voted to strip millions of dollars from a child welfare office on Chicago's West Side. But Obama had a ready explanation: He goofed! Also announced he had fumbled an election-reform vote the day before, on a measure that passed 51 to 6. The next day, he acknowledged voting "present" on a key telecommunications vote. He stood on March 11, 1999, to take back his vote against legislation to end good-behavior credits for certain felons in county jails. "I pressed the wrong button on that," he said. Obama was the lone dissenter on Feb. 24, 2000, against 57 yeas for a ban on human cloning. "I pressed the wrong button by accident," he said. But two of Obama's bumbles came on more-sensitive topics, he backed legislation to permit riverboat casinos to operate even when the boats were dockside. The measure, pushed by the gambling industry and fought by church groups whose support Obama was seeking, passed with two "yeas" to spare -- including Obama's. Moments after its passage he rose to say, explaining that he had mistakenly voted for it.
Obama would later develop a reputation as a critic of the gambling industry, and he voted against a similar measure two years later. But he was clearly confused about how to handle the issue at the time of his first vote, telling a church group that he was "undecided" about whether he backed an expansion of riverboat gambling. And, months earlier, he had voted in favor of a version of the bill.
Obama Flip-Flops
1. Special interests In January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the campaigns of Clinton and John Edwards as "special interest" money. Obama changed his tune as he began gathering his own union endorsements. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support
2. Public financing Obama replied "yes" in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. Obama has now attached several conditions to such an agreement, including regulating spending by outside groups. His spokesman says the candidate never committed himself on the matter.
3. The Cuba embargo In January 2004, Obama said it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba" because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it is "an important inducement for change."
4. Illegal immigration In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a Jan. 31, 2008, televised debate, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation."
5. Decriminalization of marijuana While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.
Obama at Wright's church, signing books with Wright's praise, praying with his kids in the pews and more. see below. no wonder Obama is hustling those SDs and telling Hillary to leave the race so much. Tip of the iceberg?
Art3
http://www.newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/religion_theseeker/2007/03/hallelujah_bara.html
watch video of Obama and HIS CHILDREN AT SERVICES AT WRIGHTS CHURCH...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7DGI_IqX24
CHICAGO MEDIA COVERING UP OBAMA WRIGHT FOOTAGE
During the recent media super storm: Obama's Pastor Disaster, CBS 2 Chicago has strangely not released video they have of Obama at Trinity United Church of Christ for a Book Signing / Church Service with Pastor Wright. According to a Chicago Tribune article, at the Service Obama spoke to the cheering congregation and the choir sang, "Hallelujah Barack". After the service Wright and Obama sat together, laughing , talking and signing books. Leaving one to wonder, if a republican candidate had this sort of controversy swirling around would the footage have found it's way to the national and cable news networks by now?
Posted by: | May 17, 2008 8:28 AM
Reason Obama said he wanted to be President of ALL 57 states. Keep in mind U.S. doesn't have 57, but...ISLAM is what he is talking about!
Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organization grouping fifty seven states which have decided to pool their resources together, combine their efforts, and speak with one voice to safeguard the interests and secure the progress and well-being of their peoples and of all Muslims in the world.
BOYCOTT CNN & MSNBC for manipulating the Presidential election with the biased pushing of obama before researching.
VOTERS DEMAND Obamas tell America about their relationship with Ayers, Gadaffi Syrian tycoon, Antoin Rezko, Saudi Arabian Scheiks and Nadhami Auchi, Iraqi billionaire, global arms dealer who was best friends with Saddam Hussein, and the main financial backer for Saddam's Iraqi -Saudi oil pipeline, and stood trial with Saddam Hussein for conspiring to assassinate Iraqi President Qasim. VOTERS are concerned why CNN & MSNBC refuse to question those relationships, coupled with Obama's 20 plus yrs with Rev. Wright shows a serious pattern, which Obama seems quite comfortable with people who really, really, really HATE U.S of America. If you question him or his values or policies, you're part of the "divisive, distracting" practices voters associate with Washington. Them's the Obama Rules.
Obama's chief political adviser David Alexrod on National Public Radio claimed white working class Democrats barely exist and hardly matter, white working class has gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, This is not new, WE don't need or rely solely on those votes.
Obama wants to impose 20% tax on cost of Barrel Of Oil Above $80 which again drives up Cost Of Gasoline On Americans! why doesn't Obama Acknowledge Fuel Costs For Truckers Hurt The American Consumer? Increasing Cost Of Everything Including Food, Retail, And Manufactured Goods.
Obama Claims That He Does Not Accept Contributions From Federal Lobbyists, records show he has accepted $128,000 From Lobbyists and $1.3 million from PACs, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
Obama calls For Higher Income Taxes, Social Security Taxes, Investment Taxes, And Corporate Taxes, As Well As "Massive New Domestic Spending and a healthcare plan that perhaps could be the next step to a full-scale, single-payer system.
Obama Pandered To MoveOn.org By Promising Not To Fund Troops In Iraq In The Future. "Eli Pariser, [MoveOn.org's] Executive Director, told ABC news but Obamas senate record shows he voted against bringing troops home, voted for war appropriations giving our money to Halliburton and Blackwater, voted with Bush/Chaney posturing S433 to suspend any troop withdrawal which keeps the troops in Iraq for a long time to come.
Obama won the endorsement of the Teamsters earlier this year after privately telling the union he supported ending the strict federal oversight imposed to root out corruption.
Obama Said The U.S. Needs To Focus On Afghanistan, Obama has held Zero hearings as Chairman Of The Subcommittee On European Affairs. "Doubts about Barack Obama's presidential credentials have crystallized over his stewardship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's Subcommittee on European Affairs, which has convened no policy hearings since he took over as its chairman last January.
Obama inconsistent explaining how Genocide in Iraq would affect his plan for withdrawal: Ambassador Crocker said that a quick withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq could result in genocide and if that began to emerge as an issue, would you stop the withdrawal?" Obama: of course. Obama Previously Said Preventing Genocide Would Not Be A Sufficient Reason To Remain In Iraq.
Why Is Barack Obama Silent On SEIU Attacks After Denouncing Similar Independent Expenditures Earlier In The Primaries? Labor Unions And Other Independent Groups Have Already Spent Over $7.1 Million In Support Of Obama's Campaign for the presidential nomination, campaign records show.
Obama's racial stereotype of the 'typical White person' and his view of the 'typical small town person.quoted as disparaging residents of small towns in Pennsylvania as being "like a lot of small towns in the Midwest" where "it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Obama is unapologetic, even dissing of voters in Florida and Michigan one has to wonder what groups of Americans he really respects?
Racist wife, Michelle, saying she was proud of America "for the first time" only because of her husband's presidential run.
Obama explained he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin or hold his hands to his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance because it is a substitute for patriotism,
Obama loses to Hillary Clinton in a face to face debate in Phil, next day gives her the finger behind her back in a speech in NC. What a man! And the Obama fans were laughing with him, reminding me of the congregation in Reverend Wright's church cheering and patting him on the back during his racist sermons
Posted by: | May 17, 2008 8:26 AM
DREAM ON!
This is the guy who refuse to debate Clinton???
Mr Big Mouth Obama is an absolute WIMP!!!!
He is non-electable!
He wants to debate as he believes himself to be the Candidate!
The Audacity of Stupidity!!!!
Posted by: | May 17, 2008 7:59 AM
DREAM ON!
This is the guy who refuse to debate Clinton???
Mr Big Mouth Obama is an absolute WIMP!!!!
He is non-electable!
He wants to debate as he believes himself to be the Candidate!
The Audacity of Stupidity!!!!
Posted by: Steve Mc | May 17, 2008 7:59 AM
The thrill of seeing Obama move into general campaign mode and hit his stride is tangible.
This is a man who will be able to link McCain to the failed policies of the Bush administration with the strength, intelligence and honesty that we have needed for so long.
Now it's time for us to get *fired up*.
If you haven't been to an Obama speech or rally, or have, and want to take it with you, you can get the Obama iMix--the entire rally setlist--all the way from U2's "City of Blinding Lights", to which Obama takes the stage, to the Obama victory anthem "Signed, Sealed, Delivered" at ITunes, here:
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewIMix?id=273868596&s=143441&v0=575
Posted by: Cara Prado | May 17, 2008 6:57 AM
It's good to see the Limbaugh Republicans stop pretending to be Hillary supporters in their posts.
Posted by: drossless | May 17, 2008 1:59 AM
Reason:
WTF are you smoking? There are 154 EVs listed as being within the margin of error. Many of these states have a distance one-third the size of the margin of error? Do you understand what a "margin of error" is? Since you can't draw any conclusions about "who will win" from those numbers, this race is a dead heat right now.
Posted by: | May 17, 2008 12:39 AM
Chris, it would be really useful thing if the people in your profession were even slightly motivated to use your incomparably influential positions to try to help to educate the American electorate into the 21st century.
There may be a subtle line between fighting for the truth and attacking error but it is of HUGE psychological importance.
Senator Obama has proven time and time again that he really gets that crucial distinction and uses it WISELY (as he did here). And America's foreign policy will be IMMEASURABLY better for that understanding once he's elected president.
(And America as a whole would be vastly better off if only our MSM could just get a CLUE about human relations.)
Posted by: Carmen Cameron | May 17, 2008 12:28 AM
Obama has been holding back on the political attack, due to the primaries and his intrinsic regard, respect and deference to Sen. Clinton, and his Democratic rivals. It stands to reason that Barrack Obama been building up a head of steam.
Now that he has pivoted toward the general Sen. Mc Cain, Mr. Bush and Republicans down ballot better know
that a fast and furious political train is coming their way.
This Chicago guy likes to scrap and debate. He has some legitamate steam to blow off. His other party opposition and their media extremist allies have been hiding behind Hillary's skirt, while taking very nasty swipes.
Now, in fairness, its his turn to hit back.
This race will be one for the ages.
Posted by: empireport | May 17, 2008 12:18 AM
Obama - The Smart President.
"I will meet with the President of Canada."
"We need more Arabic translators in Afghanistan".
"I've been to about 57 states."
Sen Obama, I'm not Harvard educated but I know that Canada has a prime minister, that the two prevelant languages in Afghanistan are Pastun and Urdu, and that we have only 50 states (though only 48 of them count in your world).
Obama - George W. Bush Redux
Posted by: The Truth | May 17, 2008 12:18 AM
McCaine should've just zipped the lip and stayed on the sidelines. Plenty of time to argue about this AFTER he's (tried) to put a little distance between him and Bush. "George Bush's Third Term"??
Posted by: DonJasper | May 16, 2008 11:56 PM
As of now in that polling, there are a few close states.
Toss-up states: New Mexico, Colorodo, North Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina & Florida. 13 toss up states, and McCain leads in 11 while Obama leads in 2.
Posted by: reason | May 16, 2008 11:55 PM
I encourage everyone to go to the site reason linked to. I doubt what you see there would make McCain feel good at all.
Posted by: Spectator2 | May 16, 2008 11:48 PM
I see that the wingnut trolls and the race-baiting Obama haters have nothing better to do on a Friday night than spew. Carry on.
Posted by: Go figure | May 16, 2008 11:45 PM
I think that if the MSM wasn't so lame, we would not be stuck with candidates that are so lame.
Posted by: Aaron | May 16, 2008 11:34 PM
According to the most recent polling numbers, if the election were held today John McCain would win it. The order would go as following.
McCain wins: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin & Wyoming. McCain wins 32 states.
Obama wins: California, Colorodo, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania (that's right Clinton fans, Obama now leads McCain in Pa. handily), Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington & DC. Obama wins 18 states + DC.
McCain: wins 32 states with 301 Electoral votes
Obama: wins 18 states + DC with 237 Electoral votes.
New President of the United States of America: John McCain.
This is not my prediction or anyone else's. Many of these states are currently polling at 1% or less. Never the less, this is the current state of the race.
Posted by: reason | May 16, 2008 11:30 PM
TO JOYCE
It seems that you have not read well my post.
IT IS NOT ME SAYING these Negatives of OBAMA, it was and is HILLARY, and by doing so, she is probably intentionally provoking
his loss in November, sothat SHE could become the candidate in 2012
IT THIS NOW CLEAR ??
TOM
Posted by: caminito | May 16, 2008 11:29 PM
Do the candidates know of the circle in the square?
Do that get asked to put a circle in the square with an eye or signal over it so that at times it sounds like the candidate?
And does the US government and the NYTimes record it with the birth of 101 SSA#, an article of birth and a following just like the candidate?
In my opinion the answers are:
a)probably not
b)most likely not again if they actually knew what it meant
c)defintely yes and I can prove it.
Sincerely
dePaul Consiglio
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Posted by: dePaul Consiglio | May 16, 2008 11:13 PM
A Democratic candidate confidently and strongly standing up for himself? Is it Christmas already?
Posted by: aleks | May 16, 2008 11:13 PM
Dear Caminito....
You are NOT typical. From your post, it seems that you envy/hate - "conciently or inconciently" - people you think are "interlectual" elites. Me...I'll take the smart guy - Obama. I want a president who understands the middle class problems - which Obama does, he lived them. But, I hope to God the president is smarter than me or anybody I know. Bush wasn't. And McCain is not too bright either.
Posted by: Joyce | May 16, 2008 10:41 PM
I want the Republicans to bring it on. I love when Obama fights, because he is so good at it. Believe me they really don't want to mess with this guy. He is so tactical until it's not funny. He knows how to let the challenger underestimate him and then he just trounces to the point they are so dizzy when they come to they have scurry away and wonder what happen to them. Finally, a smart President.
Posted by: Dee, Washington, DC | May 16, 2008 10:22 PM
How to become the Democratic nominee 101:
Black politicians less gifted than Harold (Washington) discovered what white politicians had known for a very long time: that race-baiting could make up for a host of limitations. Young leaders, eager to make a name for themselves, upped the ante, pedaling conspiracy theories all over town-the Koreans were funding the Klan, Jewish doctors were injecting black babies with the AIDS virus. It was a short cut to fame, if not always fortune; like sex, or violence on TV, black rage always found a ready market. Barack Obama. - Dreams from My Father (Chapter Chicago, Pg 203. 1995. 2004.)
But in 2008, the conspiracy theory de jour is, the Clintons are racists.
Posted by: The Truth | May 16, 2008 10:20 PM
DO NOT BLAME THE GOP BECAUSE THEY USE AGAINST OBAMA THE ARGUMENTS HILLARY SERVED
THEM ON A SILVER TRAY, STATING THAT HE IS UNELECTIBLE (HIDING THE FACT THAT SHE IS MUCH MORE SO!!)
She stated or implied:
- Being BLACK, he cannot ber the candidate of older white (also Latino and Asian
people, which conciently or inconciently are still racist (it increases with their age)
- Being an ELITIST, he could not represent Blue Collars and poor
- Being a LEFT WING interlectual, he is out
of contact with the typical citizen.
- Wanting to meet with anti-US dictators without preconditions, shows INEXPERIENCE
AND INNOCENSE (Compared by Bush by the entrappment by HITLER of UK's Chamberlain,
one of the causes of WWII)
- Being ANTI-AMERICAN (Wright, Pin, Michelle's misstatement)
SADLY, THIS WILL COST THE DEM'S THE PRESIDENCY
tom
Posted by: caminito | May 16, 2008 10:14 PM
Obama takes on a president whose approval ratings are in the high teens when he says something that the entire Democratic party denounces as ridiculous?...Wow. I'm impressed.
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kaycwagner,
Not just comments it was a full speech.
Reading Bush's full speech to the Knesset is the only way to put his "comments" into full context.
He was obviously speaking to the history that lead up to the creation of Isreal and a restatement of the US support of their state.
It's quite clear that Bush wasn't speaking of Obama or the Democrats specifically but to the world entirely.
Any news org or politician who has used this speech to accuse Bush of using an overseas forum to interject politics have outed themselves for their biased and opportunism.
Americans want honest reporting and fair analysis' from their politicians.
Not just more of the same. That includes you too, Obama