URGENT

Just hold on Obama!!!

Last night at 9:00 on Fox News, Hannity and Colmes, Hannity talked about Obama's new pastor at Trinity United Church of Christ. I do not have the transcript in front of me, but it is something to investigate as soon as possible.

They discussed many issues relating to Senator Obama's Church, Reverend Moss and Black Liberation Theology. According to one of Hannity's guest, Obama used the word "social gospel" in one of his speeches. Hannity's guest suggested that that term was a cue to his believers: A type of nod to his beliefs and to the believers of Black Liberation Theology. The guest compared "black liberation theology" and the "social gospel" to Marxism.

Hannity also talked about Obama's new pastor, Otis Moss that Senator Obama is presently supporting. Reverend Moss, the "hip hop" pastor had spoken much like Reverend Wright but many of his statements were worse: " F***. America" plus other inflammatory statements. Hannity asked his guest if the media should be aware of Otis Moss. The guest was vague, but did mention that Reverend Moss had great credentials.

Lastly, Hannity also discussed Michelle Obama and her angry speeches. They addressed Michelle Obama's remarks and addressed her as "America's Unhappiest Millionaire." They sited different comments that were very unbecoming and negative about our country.

Please investigate this as soon as possible. No doubt this will eventually hit the main stream media. I would think that this is an appropriate time as I believe that Obama plans on announcing his presidency sometime within the next few weeks.

The youth of America need to "SEE" videos. Talking about these issues is not registering to the youth whatsoever. Special news segments to demonstrate Marxism, Black Power, Reverend Otis, Louis Farrakhan and Black Liberation Theology.

Show tapes of the new Reverend speaking at his sermons. He is very similar to Reverend Wright, if not worse.

These issues should be brought to the attention through all avenues of the media for the sake of all Americans, especially the youth. All candidates need be thoroughly investigated. Denouncing and rejecting is not enough. If Obama does not like this: too bad for Obama. He is running for the President of the United States.

Millions of people do not want him to enter this race regardless of what the mass media is ignoring. He's embarrassing to millions and is surely unelectable. If Americans knew then what they knew now and Florida and Michigan were in this race, Obama would not even be in the race.

Senator Clinton has spoken the truth about Obama for months. For the media to spin everything she speaks about as a tactic to attack Obama is crazy.

All of her statements about the following issues are true:
1.) Senator Clinton states that she is the only candidate offering Universal Health Care
Obama says a lie: My plan of Universal Health Care is like Senator Clinton

2.) Senator Clinton states that she is getting the voters that are the base of the Democratic Party: White, Hispanics, Catholics, Older Americans and Women. Obama is getting Black Americans and some elitist.
Obama states that he is winning these people over.

3.) Senator Clinton states that Senator Obama is "out of touch". Obama doesn't even understand that he is "out of touch'. That's worse.

4.) Senator Clinton States: We should have a gas holiday as a seed to start the process of investigating the big oil companies and to give Americans immediate relief.
Obama says "no" to a gas tax holiday, but has no other options for the "here and now" to help the poor.

The media uses the results of NC as a true showing that Obama can win over everyone after he has had challenges with Reverend Wright. However, according to Bill Schneider from CNN's exit polls, there were masses of preregistered and absentee voters (possible 80 percent) that voted 16 days before the Reverend Wright press conference occurred.

Senator Obama is very deceiving. He is vague with answers about policies, his faith and his family. For the sake of our country and most importantly for the sake of Democrats these issues should be addressed as soon as possible.

Most importantly, this message is not to smear any candidate. This is a Presidential election and all candidates need to be transparent. It would be so wrong if the media did not bring these matters to the forefront. It is the media's obligation to report the news and not show bias supporting one candidate over the other.

CNN and its quote "The Best Political Team" on television should be asked that they eliminate their segment "The Carfferty Files". This segment of the Situation Room on CNN is a daily relentless bashing of all of the Clinton family. This man deliberately comments and reads a vicious question relating to any one of the Clinton Family. He then adds his cherry picked messages from blogs to further demonstrate his hatred for the Clinton family. It is of poor taste and very destructive to Senator Clinton's campaign.

Please investigate and address theses issues as soon as possible.

Here's a scenario that may not be as far-fetched as Americans might believe.

Q #1
If Obama, McCain, and Hillary were in a 3-way election, do you think any one of the three would get a 50%+ majority?

If you think the answer to #1 is "no", go on to question #2

Q #2
If not, Which of the three do you think would garner the lowest vote total and be eliminated from a run off election?

If you think the answer to #2 is Obama, go on to question #3

Q #3
Given that Hillary has previously shown her willingness to attempt unorthodox methods to get what she wants, (i.e. - a non-New Yorker running for Senate from NY), do you think she would possibly entertain the notion of announcing that she will run as an Independent, attempt to finish among the top 2 in a 3-way race, and perhaps go into a head to head race against McCain?

The new chair for my office doesn't fit under my desk. To me, that is more important on a national scale than any of the race-baiting and belittling going on here. I'm a dem, and I don't really want to watch us eat our young at the convention, so how about we let them both continue on and keep it civil.

"only to roar back to an entirely unexpected victory in the New Hampshire primary five days later"

Uhhh, 'roar'? 'Unexpected'? 'Victory'?

Excuse me, she won THE SAME NUMBER OF DELEGATES AS OBAMA IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. She won the vote count by 2%. And you want to use those three words to describe it? This is the problem. The media makes up their own ideas about what is a "roaring, unexpected victory" and throws all study of actual numbers out the window. That's why it was only this week that things we've long known to be true, but which the media always stuffed as asides in the final paragraphs of their articles, finally made it into headlines.

"The factors used to distribute the delegates among the state is causing about 100 extra delegates to go to Obama."

Its a nonsense argument, but an interesting one.

So I took all the states with primaries (ignoring the Texas caucus).

Looking at those results, I looked at the percentage of popular votes and distributed the pledged delegates among those states based on the total popular vote.

Here are the results
Clinton votes - 14616526
Obama votes - 15080328
Clinton del - 1246
Obama del - 1263

Clinton - 49.2% of pop vote (49.7% of del)
Obama - 50.8% of pop vote (50.3% of del)

So you can see that Clinton's percent of delegates is actually higher than her percentage of the popular vote

So if you redistribute the delegates based on the popular vote, you would actually take 11 from Clinton and give them to Obama.
Clinton - 1235
Obama - 1274

Just decided to have some fun with the numbers. Make of it what you will.

I got the numbers from CNN.com if you want do the math yourself.

Good Sherri - the thing is people simply do not know what has gone on with that

Will not vote the black theology mindset into office...period!

DDAWD

It is not just the caucuses which is causing Obama's pledged delegate lead to be 2 - 3 times his popular vote lead in percentage terms.

The factors used to distribute the delegates among the state is causing about 100 extra delegates to go to Obama.

One part of this is the factor of population - so democrats in states with a high percentage of republicans count more than democrats in states with a low percentage of republicans.

Also, since the electoral college votes are used, small states are weighted by those 2 extra votes - so the small state democrats get weighted more.

Again, it is complex however, approximately 100 of Obama's delegates are based on the formula not the votes he got.

If one starts to study the numbers, it makes sense.

She's staying on the campaign trail because she doesn't want to go back to the Senate. She definitely doesn't want to be there while the other Senators are announcing their decisions.

vote4thebest: stop cutting and pasting the same ignorant comment over and over again on all of these blogs. Let me try to 'splain it to you again: before you claim racial bias because of AA voting patterns in the 2008 primaries, please go back and look at AA voting patterns in prior Democratic primaries (not to mention AA Democratic general election voting in the 80-90% range since at least Bill's election in '92). In 1992 Bill Clinton got 70% of the AA vote; in 2000 Al Gore got 75-90% of the AA vote against Bill Bradley in the Southern primaries, sealing his deal. Same for John Kerry. I guess if the choice is 1 of 2 or 10 white guys, it's ok for AA voters to support one candidate as a bloc and not be accused of racism. But if it's, God forbid, a mixed race candidate (oh, that's right, Barack's black -- a Sister Soulja rib eating watermelon spitting lawn jockey to justify your astute racial analysis) then their support has to be "black power" Muslim evil-doings. You are pathetic. And antediluvian. And ungrateful -- to hell with the fact that AA voters have been the most loyal component of the Democratic coalition for the last 40 years. And by the by, Barack Obama is mixed race -- the fact of his Kansas grandparents and single white Mom that raised him has not made him an immediately easy sell for the AA community. Anybody remember all the 2007 articles on whether he was "black enough?" I'm tired of this racial focus -- I actually think the Clinton/Obama split is not racial but generational. Our youth doesn't give a hoot about Obama's color -- thank GOD! And although I'm a middle-aged white woman I like to live young -- something nobody could accuse you of. It's time for a change -- the politics of hate and division isn't gonna fool the people this time. I'll take hope over fear any day. Go OBAMA!

vote4thebest: stop cutting and pasting the same ignorant comment over and over again on all of these blogs. Let me try to 'splain it to you again: before you claim racial bias because of AA voting patterns in the 2008 primaries, please go back and look at AA voting patterns in prior Democratic primaries (not to mention AA Democratic general election voting in the 80-90% range since at least Bill's election in '92). In 1992 Bill Clinton got 70% of the AA vote; in 2000 Al Gore got 75-90% of the AA vote against Bill Bradley in the Southern primaries, sealing his deal. Same for John Kerry. I guess if the choice is 1 of 2 or 10 white guys, it's ok for AA voters to support one candidate as a bloc and not be accused of racism. But if it's, God forbid, a mixed race candidate (oh, that's right, Barack's black -- a Sister Soulja rib eating watermelon spitting lawn jockey to justify your astute racial analysis) then their support has to be "black power" Muslim evil-doings. You are pathetic. And antediluvian. And ungrateful -- to hell with the fact that AA voters have been the most loyal component of the Democratic coalition for the last 40 years. And by the by, Barack Obama is mixed race -- the fact of his Kansas grandparents and single white Mom that raised him has not made him an immediately easy sell for the AA community. Anybody remember all the 2007 articles on whether he was "black enough?" I'm tired of this racial focus -- I actually think the Clinton/Obama split is not racial but generational. Our youth doesn't give a hoot about Obama's color -- thank GOD! And although I'm a middle-aged white woman I like to live young -- something nobody could accuse you of. It's time for a change -- the politics of hate and division isn't gonna fool the people this time. I'll take hope over fear any day. Go OBAMA!

vote4thebest: stop cutting and pasting the same ignorant comment over and over again on all of these blogs. Let me try to 'splain it to you again: before you claim racial bias because of AA voting patterns in the 2008 primaries, please go back and look at AA voting patterns in prior Democratic primaries (not to mention AA Democratic general election voting in the 80-90% range since at least Bill's election in '92). In 1992 Bill Clinton got 70% of the AA vote; in 2000 Al Gore got 75-90% of the AA vote against Bill Bradley in the Southern primaries, sealing his deal. Same for John Kerry. I guess if the choice is 1 of 2 or 10 white guys, it's ok for AA voters to support one candidate as a bloc and not be accused of racism. But if it's, God forbid, a mixed race candidate (oh, that's right, Barack's black -- a Sister Soulja rib eating watermelon spitting lawn jockey to justify your astute racial analysis) then their support has to be "black power" Muslim evil-doings. You are pathetic. And antediluvian. And ungrateful -- to hell with the fact that AA voters have been the most loyal component of the Democratic coalition for the last 40 years. And by the by, Barack Obama is mixed race -- the fact of his Kansas grandparents and single white Mom that raised him has not made him an immediately easy sell for the AA community. Anybody remember all the 2007 articles on whether he was "black enough?" I'm tired of this racial focus -- I actually think the Clinton/Obama split is not racial but generational. Our youth doesn't give a hoot about Obama's color -- thank GOD! And although I'm a middle-aged white woman I like to live young -- something nobody could accuse you of. It's time for a change -- the politics of hate and division isn't gonna fool the people this time. I'll take hope over fear any day. Go OBAMA!

vote4thebest: stop cutting and pasting the same ignorant comment over and over again on all of these blogs. Let me try to 'splain it to you again: before you claim racial bias because of AA voting patterns in the 2008 primaries, please go back and look at AA voting patterns in prior Democratic primaries (not to mention AA Democratic general election voting in the 80-90% range since at least Bill's election in '92). In 1992 Bill Clinton got 70% of the AA vote; in 2000 Al Gore got 75-90% of the AA vote against Bill Bradley in the Southern primaries, sealing his deal. Same for John Kerry. I guess if the choice is 1 of 2 or 10 white guys, it's ok for AA voters to support one candidate as a bloc and not be accused of racism. But if it's, God forbid, a mixed race candidate (oh, that's right, Barack's black -- a Sister Soulja rib eating watermelon spitting lawn jockey to justify your astute racial analysis) then their support has to be "black power" Muslim evil-doings. You are pathetic. And antediluvian. And ungrateful -- to hell with the fact that AA voters have been the most loyal component of the Democratic coalition for the last 40 years. And by the by, Barack Obama is mixed race -- the fact of his Kansas grandparents and single white Mom that raised him has not made him an immediately easy sell for the AA community. Anybody remember all the 2007 articles on whether he was "black enough?" I'm tired of this racial focus -- I actually think the Clinton/Obama split is not racial but generational. Our youth doesn't give a hoot about Obama's color -- thank GOD! And although I'm a middle-aged white woman I like to live young -- something nobody could accuse you of. It's time for a change -- the politics of hate and division isn't gonna fool the people this time. I'll take hope over fear any day. Go OBAMA!

"If it is ok for the blacks, then it should also be ok for 91% of non-black to vote for the non-black candidate."

Well, as long as most of the people continue to vote for the better candidate, I'm happy.

And yeah, the time for playing expectation games is over. This isn't New Hampshire. She needs ACTUAL victories, not moral ones. Getting trounced in NC and essentially tying in Indiana isn't going to help her. No matter what the expectations are, she needed like 30 point wins. She probably needs 40 point wins now. No one is expecting her to do so, but she needs them. I'm sure someone predicted that Obama would win 70% of the North Carolina vote. So she closed it to 14% Big deal. She's fallen further behind in a race she is already losing.

"The reason the popular vote argument works in Hillary's favor is this: Hillary is closer by percentage when one looks at the popular vote compared to one looking at the pledged delegates."

Not the argument she is making, but I'll bite.

The problem with this argument is that it severely undercuts Obama's caucus victories. I know Clinton's talking point is that caucus states don't count, but they do.

I'm pretty sure that's why no one is buying this argument.

Besides, Obama is still winning in popular vote.

To vote4thebest.

Blacks have been voting for white Democratic candidates in overwhelming numbers for years. Your point has no basis in reality. Could it be that Obama's intellect, policies and message of change and hope make him an attractive candidate, just it does to whites in Iowa.

It's over, on to the general election.

There are so many so afraid that Obama will turn out to be one of the greatest presidents in history. The page will turn and this country will change forever. It is a historic and exciting time for the US and the world. Especially after 8 years of Bush policies. We have an opportunity to put our country on a positive path for generations to come.

GO OBAMA 08

I think all the Obama people are at a meeting ............. to discuss me.

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Why do people get accused 'racists' when they are speaking the truth? why is it that it is ok for 91% of the Blacks to vote for an AA and these Blacks are not called racists? If it is ok for the blacks, then it should also be ok for 91% of non-black to vote for the non-black candidate. Let's play by the same rule and Obama and his supporters should stop the double talk.
Obama's win in NC proves beyond any doubt that he is a racially-based candidate. He can't win the general election with just the blacks and the young. It would be another 'Tsongas' election! Clinton's win in Indiana, by a slim margin, also raises the big question why Obama lost a state that he is supposed to win!
Clinton also started out about 23 points behind in North Carolina, and 8 or 10 points behind in Indiana. She narrowed the gap in NC, and won in Indiana. Can you imagine what would be the headlines if the situation was reversed? probably "Obama trounced Clinton with a huge 2% margin". And she did it with Obama continuing to outspend her by 3 or 4:1.
The media continues to be anti-Clinton. Her win should be presented in the proper context of the quality of each of these candidates' electability!

Words of Wisdom You Are A Genius

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Response to DDAWD

Calm down - now I want you to think about this for a few minutes before you respond.

The reason the popular vote argument works in Hillary's favor is this: Hillary is closer by percentage when one looks at the popular vote compared to one looking at the pledged delegates.

That makes the two closer which is not a perception that Obama wants.

YOU HAVE HEARD IT HERE FIRST

Obama is planning on arriving at the Democratic Convention in Denver with his own militia - a terrorist group headed by William Ayers.

If the democratic insiders attempt to steal the nomination away from Obama, they are planning to act.

This is their reasoning - if Obama shows up with the most pledged delegates, and it appears that that the party insiders are going to act to block Obama, the Convention will be disrupted so that a vote will not take place.

Obama will proclaim himself the winner based on his pledged delegates and attempt to move on from there.

The people from the Weather Underground have been planning and thinking for decades about this - they want a revolution - they want things to be dramatic - lends brand new meaning to the phrase "this is the moment they have been waiting for."

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"the popular vote argument worked in Hillary's favor ??"

The ONLY way this is true is if you count Michigan. Again, this is stupid, stupid, stupid. Do you think ANYONE who isn't stupid, stupid, stupid is going to place an ounce of worth in a popular vote count in which Obama got ZERO votes?

Just plain stupid.

"Berra", not "Bera"

Obama attempting to create his own metric, which does not account for the superdelegates, does not account for Florida and does not account for Michigan is about as silly as Hillary creating her own metrics.

Actually, Hillary's own metric which includes Florida and Michigan and credits Obama for all the uncommitteds in Michigan probably makes some sense as an argument to the Superdelegates.

Obama's metrics do not make any sense.

Good luck attempting to campaign in Michigan this year if Obama tries that.

If Obama does that, the Superdelegates should say back - "OK Obama, you say you don't need us, we are going to withhold our endorsements - enough Superdelegates do that and Obama will listen."

If the Superdelegates wanted to endorse Obama, they would have already - it is that simple - and they haven't.

Obama attempting to create a metric which does not involve the Superdelegates is counter-productive.

The Superdelegates are in control of the process now, not the voters. For Obama to make any announcement on May 20th which would offend the Superdelegates, that would be extremely stupid.

AND it would call into question his judgement.

Who would want to elect someone who would do a stupid offensive thing like that?

I feel compelled to quote Yogi Bera right now

"It ain't over 'till it's over"

"Senator Obama should ignore her, remaining polite at all times when pressed about his opponent. She has opened the door for women to run for president in the future and nothing should be done to diminish or tarnish that legacy, even by her, but certainly not by Senator Obama, who has a legacy of his own to tend to."

I agree, MoreandBetterPolls. As the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate, Senator Obama has his work cut out for him. He has sense enough and a level enough head about him to be doing exactly that.

the truth will set us free

Then it the big tax return combined with details

just the facts

ok will sit tight tell it gets over 11.4 million thanks

Next to the Jews of course

Next to the Jews of course

Response to investigate

Hillary had a book deal - all the funds are from US sources and are her resources.

Why dont you do some simple research ??

Hammas live on the North Side

Let me get this straight: It is OK for Obama to be friends with the terrorist William Ayers - HOWEVER McCain's comment about Obama and Hamas is out of bounds??

Another report from Planet O ???

Do we have laws against Foriegn Earned FUNDS buying US ELECTIONS STILL or did Bush end that too

Our are elections being funded ny FORIEGN FUNDS from speaches and is that legal?

Having a party on May 20th seems to be a very typical Obama thing do to - not thinking ahead.

Why do something that would offend the superdelegates??

Its like when the Obama people started talking about the popular vote, only to realize weeks later that the popular vote argument worked in Hillary's favor ??

The analysis of the Obama campaign will show a failure to think ahead.

Well, the Superdelegates are in control of this process now - the voters are not - in fact since the end of February the superdelegates have been in control however few people have noticed.

Well, I imagine her bellicose rhetoric about the MI and FL voters might bring in a few million too, don't you think? A few million here, a few million from the white racist faction, a few million from the women who will feel sorry for her, and she's out of debt and on to Senate Majority Leader.

She's nothing if not a politician, to the last cell in her body. It really speaks to how smart she is. "Dumb like a fox" as my grandfather would say.

If the Obama campaign attempts to say victory with only the pledged delegates, it would be a very stupid thing to do.

It's because the Superdelegates do count.

Obama's campaign is attempting to say, Florida doesn't count, Michigan doesn't count, AND the superdelegates don't count.

Why offend the Superdelegates when you need them ???

Go ahead, have a party on May 20th - appears to be a very stupid thing to do.

I demand a recount of the broad white base//

and why should we be prould of our broad white base.. i though we should work it off

"Everyone seems to be forgetting about the Florida and Michigan situations. Does anyone believe that Obama can declare victory in 48 states with this election so close ?????"

Its more that the prevailing solution to sit them as they are is just so patently stupid that, you know, no one is paying attention. Seriously, all 300+ delegates from Michigan go to Clinton? That's just stupid stupid stupid

white 50 for Obama -2 Clinton

Everyone seems to be forgetting about the Florida and Michigan situations. Does anyone believe that Obama can declare victory in 48 states with this election so close ?????

Speaking of Superdelegates, Clinton's lead is now in single digits according to CNN.com

Hmmmm.... seems Bill Clinton was elected in 1992 carrying only 36% of the white vote. It was overwhelming black support that carried the day for him. And in 2000 Al Gore won the popular vote--and the election, until reversed by the Supreme Court---while carrying only 39% of the white male vote. How did he do it? Overwhelming support from African-Americans.

Latest general election match-up polls for Indiana show Obama running stronger than Clinton against McCain in the Hoosier State. How can that be? A significant fraction of Clinton's vaunted "white vote" from the primary falls away when she's matched up against another white candidate, McCain; especially so for white Republicans who represented 10% of the Democratic primary vote. Most of Obama's Republican supporters said in exit polls they'll stick with him in the fall; most of Hillary's said they'll vote for McCain. Obama also runs stronger among African-Americans, young voters, and independents. Add it all up and it may be enough to make Obama competitive in Indiana in November; Clinton not.

So much for the "white vote" myth which won't fool any superdelegates. But the loose talk from the Clinton campaign about how Hillary's the candidate of the "white vote" is dangerous, divisive, and incendiary. It's got to stop. If Hillary won't stop it, the superdelegates must. Two more came aboard for Obama today, added to the four he picked up yesterday. By CNN's count, Obama has cut Hillary's once-enormous superdelegate lead to 8. Look for him to overtake her within a few days among the supers as he moves in on the nomination. No realistic path left for Hillary; this vain hope that the superdelegates are somehow going to intervene to rescue her failed campaign is delusional. It's over, and everyone knows it except Hillary and The Fix.

Can anyone say "massive campaign debt?" I'm sure her friends and even non-friends in Congress understand her feeling that she'd like to recoup some of her losses, so why not let her stay in, win a couple of primaries (WV should be a good one for her), go out with a little more respect than she has now and get her supporters to pony up a few million to help her with the mountain of debt she has. Why are they all (Congress) being so quiet and /or kind? Money. They know how much it costs to campaign.

Why not give her a couple of weeks to garner sympathy (read donations)?

The reason Black Liberation Theology is relevant is because Obama brought his children there for years and years.

It is amazing how blind people are.

I believe if a Presidential candidate had spent years at White Liberation services which preached "white values" - and brought his children to those services - there would be a different reaction from this country.

What if a Presidential candidate was quoted as saying "typical black person" ?

What if a Presidential candidate had a wife who confirmed all these suspicions and appeared to have even stronger views?

Bizarro Land Planet O - I seriously believe that many people are turning their heads to what is clearly there - and the people are not going to go for it.

Hillary Clinton and her lackeys have a word for any superdelegate desserters. Judas. It all started with the New Mexico governor who earned the name from the Clinton lackey James Carville. But lately there has been an exodus of superdelegates jumping ship. At a time when Hillary needs them none of them feel the loyalty the Clintons expect out of them. Some of these suerdelegates who had a job in the Clinton administration forget the fact that they had pledged their loyalty as well as their families loyalty and the loyalty of their kids and grandchildren to the Clinton clan. Any disrespect and desertation will be swiftly and aptly branded as Judaism by the Clintons. I bet one will be able to find that branding iron in the Clinton library. Carville keeps track of these so called Judas so that he can whip them next time he comes on the air.

"What strikes me first and foremost is the way that Homo sapiens process their thoughts with their Reptilian mind."

Mammalian...we've got a little more at the front

"Obama has stolen the nomination from Clinton by playing the victim card, by refusing to debate before important primaries, by trucking impressionable college kids to the voting booth, by hypocrisy, by spreading disinformation, by pushing the caucus states where voting is undemocratic to say the least, by buying voters through massive ad campaigns."

I know! Remember when Obama was crying before New Hampshire? Jeez.

And you know, bussing people to primaries is sooooo rare.

And imagine the gall! Campaigning in caucus states! Its almost as if those states count!

And the gall, buying ADS! I could have sworn every candidate for everything ever has put out ads, but I think it was just my left shoe. Damn it shoe! Stop putting out ads.

"Why is it OK to say that Obama got 91% of the black vote in North Carolina - but it is not OK to talk about the white vote."

I know! Won't ANYONE talk about how he does better among black voters???

"If anybody is racist it is Obama who listened to Wright condemning the race of his mother for 20 years. Yet nobody talks about it."

I know. Won't ANYONE talk about Reverend Wright???

Barack Obama has "slipped up" long before he decided running but it has not yet been reported.
This is the basic text of a letter I faxed to Barack Obama

Attention to: Illinois, US Senator Barack Obama May 2, 2008
Washington, DC 20510
fax 1-217-492-5099

Ongoing Complaint, & Notice
It is important for history to reflect that while you have been running your Senate office and running this campaign your actions and inactions in your home state of Illinois have been completely antithetical to your message of inclusiveness when in fact your current handling of notice of discrimination against Americans who happen to be Hispanic makes you a racist and just another politician making untruthful statements which will have ramifications nationwide if you should be allowed to be ushered in as the next president without you having to publicly speak out on your involvement in allowing bias against Hispanics and racism to continue at IDHR & EEOC in your home state of Illinois. You would not deny you have a platform to speak to America when it concerns yourself. Most recently on April 29, 2008 for political expediency you in a self-serving manner used another public press conference to finally speak out and denounce your pastor after he made the same comment that upset Americans(I say it is only now you decided to do so because he happened to question your credibility and nothing more). This belief is based on my first hand knowledge of how you and your office have decided to handle the repeated notice of harm against Hispanics that is empowering this racism to continue. You have taken a new position on your pastor of 20 years, who cursed America, yet in my particular situation despite you and your Senate office again being placed on written notice by me you have not immediately taken a new position on even calling for any investigation into the Chicago office of the Illinois Department of Human Rights and the Chicago office of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission treating me, a Hispanic American, US-born citizen & one of your own constituents, in a racially biased and unequal manner even though the verifiable evidence is you and your Senate office over a course of years now with deliberate indifference towards me, an American who happens to be Hispanic, have never been willing to acknowledge the existing racism at IDHR & EEOC against me and never have been willing to stop the existing racism at IDHR & EEOC against Hispanics when as Illinois US Senator you must protect the full & equal rights of all your constituents in your home state of Illinois (despite any prejudice you may harbor towards us). I have two disabled siblings one with Down's Syndrome and an elderly mother who suffers from a chronic illness so I do not want to be subjected to any further reprisals as I have a close family member who was written up in likely to be fired for no justifiable reason at a major Illinois University you recently opened your Senate office to assist(I believe just for me trying to exercise the same civil rights as not Hispanics enjoy as a matter of record, unimpeded).
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cc: IDHR director Rocco J.. Claps
EEOC Director John P. Rowe
US Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi
Senate majority leader Harry Reid
NBC

Barack Obama has "slipped up" long before he decided running but it has not yet been reported.
This is the basic text of a letter I faxed to Barack Obama

Attention to: Illinois, US Senator Barack Obama May 2, 2008
Washington, DC 20510
fax 1-217-492-5099

Ongoing Complaint, & Notice
It is important for history to reflect that while you have been running your Senate office and running this campaign your actions and inactions in your home state of Illinois have been completely antithetical to your message of inclusiveness when in fact your current handling of notice of discrimination against Americans who happen to be Hispanic makes you a racist and just another politician making untruthful statements which will have ramifications nationwide if you should be allowed to be ushered in as the next president without you having to publicly speak out on your involvement in allowing bias against Hispanics and racism to continue at IDHR & EEOC in your home state of Illinois. You would not deny you have a platform to speak to America when it concerns yourself. Most recently on April 29, 2008 for political expediency you in a self-serving manner used another public press conference to finally speak out and denounce your pastor after he made the same comment that upset Americans(I say it is only now you decided to do so because he happened to question your credibility and nothing more). This belief is based on my first hand knowledge of how you and your office have decided to handle the repeated notice of harm against Hispanics that is empowering this racism to continue. You have taken a new position on your pastor of 20 years, who cursed America, yet in my particular situation despite you and your Senate office again being placed on written notice by me you have not immediately taken a new position on even calling for any investigation into the Chicago office of the Illinois Department of Human Rights and the Chicago office of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission treating me, a Hispanic American, US-born citizen & one of your own constituents, in a racially biased and unequal manner even though the verifiable evidence is you and your Senate office over a course of years now with deliberate indifference towards me, an American who happens to be Hispanic, have never been willing to acknowledge the existing racism at IDHR & EEOC against me and never have been willing to stop the existing racism at IDHR & EEOC against Hispanics when as Illinois US Senator you must protect the full & equal rights of all your constituents in your home state of Illinois (despite any prejudice you may harbor towards us). I have two disabled siblings one with Down's Syndrome and an elderly mother who suffers from a chronic illness so I do not want to be subjected to any further reprisals as I have a close family member who was written up in likely to be fired for no justifiable reason at a major Illinois University you recently opened your Senate office to assist(I believe just for me trying to exercise the same civil rights as not Hispanics enjoy as a matter of record, unimpeded).
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US Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi
Senate majority leader Harry Reid
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proud:

"Gee, trying to control the message a little, are we?"

At least svreader isn't back on the Rezko kick again.

I will say again, Hillary can stay in the race as long as she wants. I beleive now she will stay in for other reasons, such as the ability to clean up her image and unite the party. Yes, she is as ruthless as any politician, however she is not stupid.

In the end, I think she knows what is important and she still has a great career in politics ahead of her, and perhaps even a stint in the White House one day.

I think this has been a great lesson for Hillary.

Let's face it, McCain is a goner. He would not beat either Democrat in the general. The polls will skew in a major way once the dem nom is in place.

Anon @ 5:40 P
how much of the 'white vote' did Clinton get in 1992 when he won the presidency with 43% of the popular vote? compare that to Obama's numbers.

Or the corollary: what percentage of the black vote did Clinton get in 1992? Was that a racist vote since WJC was the first "black" president?

To quote Dr. Seuss on Hillary:

'Go away, go away, go away, please.'

Just exactly who are the white, downscale voters the pundits are talking about? The ones that are voting for Clinton. Are these the idiot Pennsylvania steel workers waiting to be retrained to compete with the Chinese? HeHe.

"He spent a lot of effort to convince me that you guys do not represent the Obama campaign and that they do not approve of your behavior."

Gee, trying to control the message a little, are we? Reminds me of Obama's takeover of that guy's facebook site. Heavy-handed.

I'm surprised you all would attempt to squelch passionate debate from the followers...it hasn't even gotten to the fun part yet.

Hillary Clinton is in denial. She has a history of staying in losing situations. I pity her (sort of), but one of the Democratic party leaders needs to intervene. We have our candidate, and we need to let Barack Obama begin his campaign against John McCain.

See the White Vote Myth:

http://openthread.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/8/8537/90872/944/511618

a comment on an article written in 2001 by Bill Galston, senior policy advisor to many Dem presidential candidates (I remember Mondale in particular in 84).

Hillary "Huckabee" Clinton can stay in the race as long as she wants, long after she's lost any real chance to win the nomination, just like Rev. Mike on the GOP side. Ignore the math, and plow on ahead. Fine, it only makes her look silly.

But I do wish she'd tone down the racially divisive rhetoric. Truth is, she doesn't have a "broader base," as she claims. Some 97% of her supporters in Indiana were white, compared to Obama who got 1/3 of his vote from black voters and 2/3 from white voters. Obama's strategy is to unite across racial and other major social cleavages, Hillary's is to divide and conquer constituency by constituency. Since pretty much all she has left now are older white working class voters and older white women, she's reduced to making blatant racial appeals: "I'm white, he's black, you're white, and white voters like you don't vote for black candidates like him."

Call it what you will, it smells like a naked appeal to white racism. George Wallace all over again. It's sad. I've never liked her much, but until now I had some respect for her. I truly thought she was better than this. She seems determined not only to sunder the Democratic coalition but to take her own reputation down in flames in a last desperate and ultimately futile bid to win the nomination.

I am krylacc, from the planetary system rylanndu, some 1,100 light years from your Earth. I come from a small planet which is much like your Earth. I come here as a solitary traveler, as I am a bit of a rogue to those of my own race.

Yesterday I landed in the high peaks of your Sierra Nevada mountains, in one of my favorite safety spots here on your Earth, and have spent the last few days watching your political process here in the United States of America through your internet and through my own video gathering technology.

What strikes me first and foremost is the way that Homo sapiens process their thoughts with their Reptilian mind. Everything is framed as a battle, or a war, a contest, or a struggle. Fear and aggression are the main motivators in this paradigm. This harkens back to the animal state where this 'Reptilian mind" was necessary as a means of survival. Slowly though, the human race is beginning to awaken, to move from this 'Reptilian mind', to a more conscious and aware plane of thought and existence.

I have not been authorized to make this contact with you but after much thought I have decided to place this note here so others might see it. We are sending an envoy to your Earth in your year of 2012. The reason for our arrival has yet to be revealed to you but will become evident soon. A great burden is soon to be lifted from your shoulders. We look forward to forging a new yet distant relationship with you. Now I must travel to my next destination for there are some 1,000 planets of your type in this universe's sector, many of which I have yet to touch down upon. bhaann-loomm^.

To the Obama supporters that post on these boards --

Guys like you are Obama's worst enemies.

I just had a great lunch with an old friend that is high up in the Obama campaign.

You guys should be receiving an email over the next few days about chatroom behavior.

You are harming your candidate.

Please do not accuse me or any other Clinton supporter of "robo comments" or other such nonsense.

Please do not personally attack us.

According to my friend, the Obama campaign is aware of the problem and has asked you to stop in the past.

Clinton supporters have far better chatroom decorum.

This race isn't over and we intend to win.

We have the right to make our points and we repeat them no more frequently than you guys do.

The guy I met with is someone I've known for 30 years.

He spent a lot of effort to convince me that you guys do not represent the Obama campaign and that they do not approve of your behavior.

Again, I repeat, you are causing your candidate far more harm than good.

If he gets the nomination, he will have a far, far, more difficult time getting elected because of your bad manners.

how much of the 'white vote' did Clinton get in 1992 when he won the presidency with 43% of the popular vote? compare that to Obama's numbers.

alee21 -

"stolen," "playing the victim card," "hypocrisy," "disinformation," "buying voters."

Who is slinging mud again?

I have to say that your description of the reasons Hillary lost is the most distorted, rationalizing, fantasy-laden statement I think I've read during this whole campaign.

It's way simpler than that. She got out-fund-raised, out-maneuvered, out-worked, and out-smarted. And the beautiful thing is, it was all without breaking any rules, redefining any metrics, or taking the low road.

Can she say that about her campaign?

To the name calling Obamaites - what are you people afraid of? Why do you insist on calling Hillary selfish because she wants to continue her quest for the nomination? If you don't want to vote for her, fine, but stop the childish mudslinging. In my view, Obama has stolen the nomination from Clinton by playing the victim card, by refusing to debate before important primaries, by trucking impressionable college kids to the voting booth, by hypocrisy, by spreading disinformation, by pushing the caucus states where voting is undemocratic to say the least, by buying voters through massive ad campaigns.
Obama should drop out if he wants what is best for the country and not what is best for him. The real winner in all this is Axelrod and his ilk.

You're right, WoW, she's in it to win -- at all costs.

Sorry, I don't buy your "liberation theology" arguments. I did read his book, and I actually met and spoke to him a couple of times before he declared for president. Based on that, and every speech I've ever heard him make, or interview I've seen or read, that extreme b.s. is not him, or anything like him.

She needs to recognize that the overwhelming odds are that Obama will be the nominee, and that while she's selfishly waiting for her "deus ex machina" to turn around a campaign that she and her staff badly bungled, and popping off like she did in USA Today, she's probably screwing up her party's likely nominee's chances to win.

The contest is now Obama vs. McCain. The Clinton part of the equation is over.

Why is it OK to say that Obama got 91% of the black vote in North Carolina - but it is not OK to talk about the white vote.

Obama's whisper campaign after the South Carolina vote started this whole thing.

Obama wants it both ways - and that does not work. Obama actually would have been better off forgoing the whisper campaign thus perhaps on polling 70% of the black community.

The racial polarization is hurting Obama in the long run.

It's true, it is allowing Hillary to boil down his demographics and it is making working class whites suspicious. A post racial campaign is a post-racial campaign - once Obama strayed he strayed - however he then can not hold everyone else to a post-racial standard.

There's a word for that.

It's not elitist. It is hypocrite.

I'm not so sure I buy into this "Clinton wants to destroy Obama's GE chances so that she can run in 2012" claim. First off, if she did that, wouldn't she become persona non grata in Democratic circles? It seems that torpedoing the party's presidential candidate for your own selfish reasons would be somewhat, eh, looked down upon?

If HRC is staying in the race just to stay in it, then we should have seen a ratcheting down of the rhetoric. But since she's starting to play the race card, I think it is clear that she's serious about staying in the race to win. I'd expect the only way to make significant inroads to BHO's leads is to go much more negative than she has been.

I think we're in for another month of battling and sniping. Let's see how well BHO can handle it.

Why can't Obama supporters to come up with a better argument that she is racist? It is ridiculous.
If anybody is racist it is Obama who listened to Wright condemning the race of his mother for 20 years. Yet nobody talks about it.

HIllary is a selfish, self centered woman who cant believe the world doesnt want her with all her flaws and faults. In fact, her campaign has become a sideshow, with her trying to show that that part of the economy and country that is shinking, the less than college educated, is the group to build her dynasty on. Did she ever do much for working class people before, does she really understand them as other than just a label? Rah Rah hillary, just see if you can find an atom bomb to drop on Obama so you can waltz in to victory. Otherwize you will make it ugly and your self the most ugly pol in town

WoW-
Bush the elder was presiding over a pretty lousy economy for the majority of his presidency. The only reason he had such high approval numbers was because of the successful First Gulf War. It's not like there was some rapid change in the conditions in the country. Remember "It's the Economy, Stupid!"? Bush 41's high app rates were the anomaly.

once again CC shows his bias for HIllary. No mention of her "white voters" comment. No speculation of the obvious - that Clinton just wants to destroy Obama's chances in November so she can run in 2012. It's time members of the MSM like CC do their job and call this race over.

I'm not in the habit of quoting George Will, but have to agree with this assesment, from today's column:

"Gen. Douglas MacArthur said that every military defeat can be explained by two words: "too late." Too late in anticipating danger, too late in preparing for it, too late in taking action. Clinton's political defeat can be similarly explained -- too late in recognizing that the electorate does not acknowledge her entitlement to the presidency, too late in understanding that she had a serious challenger, too late in anticipating that she would not dispatch Barack Obama by Super Tuesday (Feb. 5), too late in planning for the special challenges of caucus states, too late in channeling her inner shot-and-a-beer hard hat."

Senator Clinton's campaign has enough in common with George Bush's Iraq war that voters should think long & hard before promoting her to higher office.

Senator Clinton can stay in the race until the delegates are counted on the first ballot in Denver. She has free will, and the freedom to embellish her resume by deed or by lie.

Senator Obama can turn his attention to Senator McCain now and is free to ignore Senator Clinton's attempt to convince the Democratic Party that it is the party of George Wallace.

It is now unlikely that any person in the Democratic Party can talk political sense into Senator Clinton, whose intelligence is unquestioned, but whose arrogance appears to know neither bounds of propriety nor decency.

Senator Obama should ignore her, remaining polite at all times when pressed about his opponent. She has opened the door for women to run for president in the future and nothing should be done to diminish or tarnish that legacy, even by her, but certainly not by Senator Obama, who has a legacy of his own to tend to.

Madam Clinton,

GO AWAY PLEASE !

http://allainjulesblog.blogspot.com/

"The coalition that Obama has put together is simply not that strong."

Yet it was strong enough to beat the Clinton political machine.

The next time anyone says to you that they like the front-loading of the primaries - you remind them of this year - if the primaries were stretched out we would be seeing a different result here.

She should have left the race before slipping up and saying aloud what her campaign talks about in strategy sessions, i.e., that she is the white voter's candidate. She's gotten so worn down that she's doing what Bush always does: telling us what she's here to say. ("I'm going to convince you, white voter, that I'm the white voter's candidate.")

jac13

Hillary is in this to win, she isn't in it like Huckabee, to take a tour and have people get to know him for some future book tour.

Hillary is here to win.

Hillary is also convinced that it will finally sink into the public and sink into the superdelegates how close Obama has been connected to Black Liberation Theology.

It's not that Obama is black.

It's that he has allied himself with radical elements in the black community who have been calling for slave reparations for year, and tout a philosphy that the black community is owed something for discrimination.

Black Liberation Theology is a philosophy of resentment.

How resentful is Obama???

Read his book. Read it.

Obama's Philadelphia speech was a disaster - he refused to get away from Black Liberation Theology - instead he decided he was going to lecture the country.

Obama is not going to work - this is not mainstream stuff.

Hillary knows this will sink in - she just wants to still be in the race when it sinks in instead of it happening after.

"Endurance takes you only as far as there is track on which to run."

Slap that bit of wisdom on a coffee mug, post haste!

After the Wisconsin Primary, the Obama campaign was all over their performance among white voters.

Everyone was like, well if Obama is polling well among white voters, then that means he has a broad enough coalition for the November election, not withstanding that we see him sipping lattes all day long and reading elistist books.

Then the truth came out - more primaries came out and Obama's white voters became more of an upper midwest thing than anything else.

Jay Cost outlined the Appalachian theory and the small industrial town to show exactly where Obama's support was falling completely apart.

It does not make for a winning coalition in the November election.

no

Chris - Another secret - Obama's support among seniors is a complete disaster - many polling organizations do not have their models set up to catch the extent of that.

YOU heard that here first.

Well, She's Racist!!

To her, she cannot allow herself to get beaten by a Black. Will not accept it. She can still be the Candidate of the White, Working Class, Gun Loving, Tax Hating, Racists...

Oh, yeah, the Republicans already picked John McCain.

Well, is it too late for her to switch parties?

Sen. Clinton will drop out when she is convinced that there is no chance whatever she can win, not before.

From her point of view, she is Bill Clinton's wife, she was in the White House for eight years, she was the person he consulted and the woman he cheated on. She is owed this. Barack Obama is just some guy.

It really isn't much more complicated than that. Clinton, much like her husband and very like the Bushes, is driven by a powerful sense of personal entitlement. And whatever her role in her husband's administration, she was a full partner in every one of his campaigns -- meaning, that between his campaigns and her own she has been up to her neck in campaign politics, on average, just over once every two years since she was in her 20s.

The odds don't matter for her. She'll be the last to concede that the campaigning she has prepared her whole life to do is over, and the the Presidency she is sure she has coming to her will go to someone else.

WoW -

I guess I have no problem with her staying in (although it smacks, to me, of pure vanity), but does she have to keep running her mouth like this and undermining Obama?

I'm staying in. OK ?

Chris why are you harping on this ?

I am going to get the delegates out of Florida and Michigan - also many many Add-On Superdelegates, Regular Superdelegates, and Semi-Pledged State-Wide Regular Delegates.

Also, I am holding back 50 Delegates who are ready to switch to me just when I need a boost in the media.

Name the biggest blue state that Obama won not including his home state. You probably have to look at the list to do that.

"Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again."

weakening again = turning away, in my book.

The reason Hillary is staying in is because she sees Obama weakening by the week.

The coalition that Obama has put together is simply not that strong.

In addition, Obama has about 100 extra delegates from the combination of small states, red states and caucuses which is a convincing argument to the superdelegates.

Most importantly, if the superdelegates really wanted Obama to be the nominee, 100 more of them could have endorsed Obama placing him at the majority he needs - the superdelegates are holding back.

Hillary also deserves her delegates out of Florida and Michigan - I am not sure if Obama's nomination would be fully legitimate if those two situations are not resolved by allowing those states a voice - at this point it would be tainted love.

All in all, Hillary believes that she can wangle her way in.

Take a look at 1992, starting a Gennifer Flowerer, Bush was at 91%, Perot in, Perot out, Perot back in - Bill went through so many ups and downs - Hillary knows if she hangs in there things may swing back her way.

Mark- I don't know if she said 'turning away'. She did say that the youth & black voters that Obama is winning 'will vote for the Democrat anyway', but that the white voters she's attracting might not.

Mark -

From USA Today:

"Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed Wednesday to continue her quest for the Democratic nomination, arguing she would be the stronger nominee because she appeals to a wider coalition of voters -- including whites who have not supported Barack Obama in recent contests.

'I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,' she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article 'that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.'

'There's a pattern emerging here,' she said.

Clinton's blunt remarks about race came a day after primaries in Indiana and North Carolina dealt symbolic and mathematical blows to her White House ambitions."

jac13 writes
"it is unhelpful ... for her to say that white voters are turning away from Obama."

In Meyerson's column today he claims that Obama has actually made inroads into the 'white' vote. He compares the exit polls from Indiana to those of Ohio & PA. Obama's results in IN beat his results in OH & PA among whites. If we go back to the VA & WI races, Obama beat the pants off Clinton across the board.

It seems that Sen Clinton is trying to create her own facts, contrary to those the rest of us would work with.

jac13, Did she really say that?

I had read that while he has not regained the levels of Anglo voters he had in TX and WI and VA he was bouncing back for PA.

Did she really say that?

The Clinton campaign has been transformed into a vanity campaign. Who is paying for it - Rush and the Dittoheads?

Blarg -

You may be right. I hope so. But in the meantime it is unhelpful -- to put it mildly -- for her to say that white voters are turning away from Obama. (It's one thing for the media to say it; and quite another for his fellow Democrat -- allegedly -- to say it.) If that's how she's going to conduct herself, needlessly undermining and trying to weaken the likely nominee, then she needs to get out, and get out now. In fact, I hope the party leaders will gather and pressure her to drop out after they learn of these incredibly irresponsible remarks.

Endurance is only so effective against what is essentially mathematical impossibility.

This is the last comment on this article!

Remember, nobody ever announces that they plan to drop out. They just drop out without warning. Remember John Edwards? Right after Florida, he vowed to keep fighting. He even had events scheduled. But then he suddenly dropped out. I expect the same from Hillary, when the time comes. She'll say that she's in it to win, right until the time that she announces she's out of the race. And that announcement can't come soon enough.

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