Ban Islam for past and present War Crimes

Muhammed: The Con Man and False Prophet

As we are against terrorism in the world for the ultimate survival of our society, I'm offering viewpoints to win the battle against Islam's goal of world domination, which is stated in their writings.

Muhammed and his sayings, found in the Koran, Hadiths, Sunnahs and Surahs, are the root of Muslim terrorism.

With truth and reality, we must discredit the founder of Islam, his sayings and the belief system that spawns this terrorism.

Let the world know that Muhammed, while in Medina, organized raids on camel trains hauling trade goods, and received twenty percent (20%) of the ill gotten loot. The spiritual mechanics of functioning as a Prophet does not mix with being a thief and killing for wealth.

Let the world know that Muhammed betrothed a six year old (6) child , in her ninth year (9) consummated their marriage sexually. He was in his fifties (50's) at the time. The inner development of a Prophet does not function with paedophilia. Muhammed was a Paedophile. He claimed that Aisha was his only wife that caused him to experience revelations while under the blanket with her. Muhammeds counsel to others and actions, legitimized paedophilia through Islams ideology. What was the source of Muhammeds revelations as a Paedophile? All this is stated in th Hadiths and Surahs.

On returning to Medina after taking Mecca, he attacked one of the Jewish tribes, the Qurraysa. After 28 days of siege, the Jews capitulated. Muhammed immediately ignored the terms agreed upon as part of their surrender. He ordered and watched as all males from puberty on were beheaded in a trench. Their families were made to watch this slaughter of the male children and men. Some of the women became hysterical while watching the beheading of their husbands and sons and were also beheaded. During the slaughter, Muhammed spotted a beautiful Jewish girl and selected her for his sex slave. Her name was Rayhannah. She had to watch while her mother and sister were raped. Her sister was traded as a slave for arms which is stated in both the Hadiths and the Surahs. There were three tribal groups of Jewish origin and belief in Medina at that time. Those that weren't killed or sold into slavery were forced out into the desert to die.
These atrocities are the actions of a demonic fiend not a Prophet.

Muhammed also encouraged and rewarded many assassinations in his lifetime. Murder is not an activity of a Prophet.

The fantasy paradise that Muhammed developed to entice the itinerant, uneducated Arabs to Islam is a personal bordello. This paradise in the hereafter shows a sexual fixation and addiction in the spirit of Muhammed. This is not the development of a spiritual Prophet. This demonic personality is no doubt the most successful con man ever. Muhammed has been more successful than Hitler and the Nazi movement in longevity, size of his organization and hatred of the Jews.

Compare Muhammed to all former Prophets and founders of great religious movements, East and West, and it easily shows us how debased he was. His organization was developed by tacking spiritual words to robbery, killing, conversions by the sword and terrorism with Fatwas which are all fiendish acts. This activity by his followers is presently seen on television clips with kidnapped, innocent people being beheaded in praise of Allah.

Last but not least, Allah was one of over two hundred and fifty (250) idols in the Ka'aba. After taking Mecca, Muhammed destroyed all other tribal idols except for the Quraysh tribe's idol and pronounced Allah the one and only God.

I believe that, in warfare against terrorism, we must attack the heart and not just the tentacles of Islam with truth. We must not let this perversion of religion spawn numberless adherents to Muhammed's words to expand their terrorism. We must confront terrorism head on.

When combating Evil remember: Appeasement is like feeding a steak to a tiger in the hope that it will eventually become a vegetarian.

International Ban Islam petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/MYSTIC/petition.html

Canada's for debate in the House of Commons:

http://www.petitiononline.com/GUARDIAN/

Guardians of Democracy site:

http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/

Unfortunately, Muslims in debate or negotiations are forced to LIE to preserve Islam's integrity. This noble Islamic activity is called "TAKIYA".

I was thinking about Sebelius, and that maybe (although she is wonderfully effective, calm, talented and discliplined) she's a little "cool." Actually, this is not a put-down of her, it's just that sometimes, like in a good marriage, one person on team needs to compliment the other by contrasting with them. Obama's already a "steady Eddie," cool guy with a profoundly good head on his shoulders. Sebelius may be a tonal repeat of him. Maybe someone w a little more fun and fire would be nice. Someone Obama can enjoy on a personal level, also, so they can work closely together.

It is stupid to say: "We had twenty years of Bush and Clinton! It is enough!" This means you have put the two men in the same basket!
Clinton's years were prosperous and Obama will not be able to replicate them!
So, do not mess the things!

YooHoo, There is an elephant in the room, folks. Odd how one of the most important issues in this country is virtually omitted by the very people who claim to be for the underdog.
ABORTION, the deliberate destruction of the least among us, occuring about 4000 times a day and supported whole heartedly by this woman who you are enraptured with. Whoa!

What hypocrisy! It is truly astounding, to say the least.

Governor Sebelius sounds like a very good pick to me. But then, I am one Republican who is probably going to vote for Obama regardless of who he picks for VP...I think repudiation of Bushism is the most important thing for the United States of America. Restore the rule of law, and that means honoring the Constitution, and abiding by our treaties. I want my country back (remember when it was Nazis and Commies who tortured people, and WE were the good guys?).

Go Obama!

been a long-time politico, and every Prez cycle I get lots of people asking me about individual names. What I tell people early is that inevitably it will be a dark horse, a name outside the beltway discussion. Why, because people have thought about Biden, Dodd or a Kuccinich, and rolling around the latest name brings about a discovery that you want to share.

Anyway, Bush went through all this as a way to keep his campaign in the news cycle, when it was Cheney from the beginning. His name was not floated, it was announced. In much the same way, this strategy will be employed by the Dems, as they use the veep nomination as a support sweep.

That said, the veep will be someone not mentioned in the namestakes but will trump them all.

for my money the dark horse number 1, is Patrick Leahy. Senator Leahy fought the repugs and has an arsenal of tactics and issues to rat-tat-tat the repugs into the defensive all the way to November, from the constitution to the illegal war.

"Tawanda Brewer" is a sockpuppet, just someone trying to provoke racist remarks...

Posted by: JEP | June 12, 2008 12:37 AM

What! Thats a good point why is no Black man or woman on Barack Obama's short list?
Jep your argument makes no sense. What did this woman say other than something that seems to be overlooked by the media speculators and Obama.

"No military knowledge or experience and a limited record on economics."

Have you ever heard of Ft, Riley? Do you have even an inkling of where it is and how often Sebelius (and Boyda, for that matter) interact closely with that largest of all US military bases?

And as for economic experience, you obvioulsy never even looked at the earlier posts to the contrary, PLEASE, people, before you embarass yourselves, take the time to read some of the othe comments when you climb aboard a thread.

Dust in the wind...

Good Pick:

The Kansas Lt. Governor is a FORMER Republican. In fact, he's the former chairman of the Kansas GOP. Sebelius persuaded him to change parties. If she leaves office he'll take office as a Democrat.

"Tawanda Brewer" is a sockpuppet, just someone trying to provoke racist remarks...

Independent:
"I am not familiar with her positons on issues"

Then what basis do you have for an informed opinion?

Did you even read the other comments? There's a lot of stuff you apparently skipped below the fold...

PLEASE, do your homework before you write your comments. You are only embarrassing yourself.

I notice that a lot of disaffected and disappointed HRC supporters keep complaining about the disrespect and unfair treatment heaped upon Hillary by the Obama campaign, the MSM, the . . . . (fill in the blank with your appropriate villain of choice). Now that the primary season is over, is it not reasonable to expect that most Democrats would refocus their partisan passions toward the goal of defeating McCain?

Now, I'm CERTAIN that many Obama supporters have behaved badly, particularly if some of the idiotic posts here are any indication. Ungracious winners are disgusting, of course. Bad behavior is quite obviously attributable to many of the Hillary partisans as well, whose high-decibel pouty rants posted here are just as bad. Poor-sport losers are insufferable.

I must confess to being unaware of many instances of Obama himself having been openly disrespect to Hillary, at least in ways that were worse in number, degree, or kind than those behaviors of hers that were critical of him. Must be that my Y chromosome prevents me from getting it, from having seen Obama's "contempt and mistreatment" of Clinton. Were hurtful things said and done? Yes, by both candidates and both their camps. But that's politics, and the rough-and-tumble primary/caucus season is over. Let's move on.

I've said it in other posts, but I'll repeat it here once again: if you're a Clinton supporter who cares about her policy positions and political ideas and who wants to advance her agenda for our nation, you will be well advised to vote for Obama rather than for McCain. As emotionally unsatisfying as the act of voting for Obama in November might be, by any RATIONAL measure it is SO MUCH MORE like voting for Hillary than voting for McCain EVER COULD BE, because in POLICY terms, Clinton and Obama are quite similar. I sure hope we don't cut of our noses to spite our faces.

Let BHO pick his own VP. If it's not Hillary, STILL vote for him, simply because a McCain administration would be a disaster.

No, she shouldn't be VP. Women sexists are the worst. Although I will be voting Democrat I will be leaving the top space blank. So I guess it really doesn't matter to me.

Ms. Sebelius should not be chosen by Barack as the vice-presidential nominee for obvious reasons, she has little more experience than he and lacks a background in national security issues. I am not familiar with her positons on issues, but she could possibly be a worthy candidate for president in eight years, especially if she was elected to the United States Senate within the next four years. Maybe she will become the first female president.

Don't get me wrong, if Obama were in Hillary's position, i would be sore, but i would get behind Hillary because we share enough of the same views that she would get my vote for a brighter America.

I don't support Hillary now that she's lost as the VP because of her stop at nothing, kitchen sink campaign leading into Ohio and Texas. Say what you will about Obama... he never got into the mud with the same enthusiasm as Hillary... Fact is, no matter how much lipstick you put on her, she's still a pig and evokes a visceral reaction and that doesn't allow me to sympathize w/ you our ilk (Leichtman) now that the conversation focuses on a running mate.

18mm people would be great for Obama to have, but if he can take 1/2, combined with his own 18mm+, he's in great shape; you folks can continue to lick your wounds and complain.

Oh, how about Hillary and Bill go on the trail and suggest that the inexperienced nominee become her VP - that worked well before.

libridan calling HC and her followers cultist is ironic if not laughable, considering that is exactly what is thought of Sen O and his followers.

I like the breadth of Chris's analysis but not so much the conclusions. I understand the mainstream media thing: nothing gets em hard like a CENTRIST. It's always that. For Democrats. Not for Republicans. McCain may say the most outrageous things imaginable and the Washinton press just laps it up.

I happen to think Barack Obama is a magnificent candidate, politician and leader. I'm not American, I'm "latino" or is it "hispanic"? Whatever. Those words are so funny. Just like the new "colored." I am WHITE and JEWISH and HISPANIC. OK. I couldn't care less about flag pins or Jeremiah Wright or whoever this Ayres guy is. I wanted to know what Obama's hemispheric policies were. I found out. I could not have asked for better. I checked out McCain's and they scared me.

There are so many things to admire about Obama but my favorite thing is the care he took to fool the Washington mainstream establishment. It was a work of art. I was in a derivatives-trading thing with a guy who was on law review with Obama. The Obama who showed up at the 2004 convention with that corny Christian lecturing speech and all the "post-partisan" malarkey and his "close friendship" with Lieberman was such an okey-doke. It was all totally different than the way my friend described Obama. He said Obama was a very bright, very sophisticated thinker, and there was no BS about him at all. He had strong progressive views and was fearless.

But he so suckered everybody like Wolf Blitzer into thinking he was some kind of religious Uncle Tom. And EVERYBODY took the bait. Then, after Ohio, Axelrod just said "go for it...be yourself." And Obama started taking stands on every issue and I agreed with all of it. Americans are so into the whole pageant of it that nobody has any idea of what Obama's positions are. Good thing. Americans would HATE Obama's positions on anything important like war and peace. I can't stress how different things are outside the US. Obama is really beloved and respected and John McCain is a laughing stock. Like Bozo the Clown. Everybody can tell he's nuts and loves war and is braindead. And everybody can tell how sharp Obama is.

Anybody who's about to travel should remember to ask people in the country they're visiting which one they prefer. I guarantee it'll be Obama 99-1. The other thing notable outside the US about this is that the whole POW War Hero thing means nothing. Ni la verga. Ni bupkis. Ni la pinga. Nobody cares. Nobody "admires" his "bravery." Nobody thinks he's a "maverick." People just want peace and prosperity.

I'd like to see Clinton on the ticket because I believe it gives him the best chance to win. I have no knock on Sibelius whatsover. She seems fine.

The other big time contender, Jim Webb, gives me pause. I think he'll be a traitorous campaigner for Obama, in that he'll agree with everything McCAin says. These military people have ties that are too close.

The only way Obama can deal with Webb so that Webb doesn't become his Lieberman is to sit Webb down and do the chain-of-command thing. Obama has to hand Webb the OBAMA PLAN and say this is it, memorize it, learn it, live it. And if you deviate one iota, I'm going to take away all your medals because I'm the boss, not you.

That's the only kind of talk these conservative Southern military guys understand. No need to do any of that with either HRC or Sibelius. They're pros.

Can someone explain to me how McCain is a "maverick"? I check the voting records. McCain makes Trent Lott look leftist. Why does McCain has trouble with the base. He's more outthere than Bush even.

This cultification of Hillary is really a very sad thing to see. But then again it was the core of her messge - me,me,me. And, no, you don't have to be "stupid" to fall into such thinking, just blinkered to much greater realities at work. How sad that only Hillary would be allowed to break the glass ceiling at this time. It could be a long time before anyone comes close again.

BTW, I would have supported Obama if their genders had been switched and I would have voted for him if their races had been switched, or both. With him it is not the personality, it is the message. We have had 20 years of Bushes and Clintons. Way too long.

The story of the century is why Obama in the end doesn't choose another African-American man or woman. Is there no one that is African-American deserving or as well qualified. I know that there are. Lets have a real historic ticket! America is ready they nomminated Barack Obama as proof. Why deny another Afican-American the opportunity. Why is this not explored by Chris and the media.

Posted by: Tawanda Brewer | June 11, 2008 4:13 PM

Yea like that's gonna happen. Obama would not want that to happen. He would not share anything as important. And mark my words Tawanda. The only reason the powers that be are pushing Obama is the removal of affirmitive action. Thats right! No one else can do that but him. It's a bit ironic isn't it.

"f*cking children"? curious legan why we should respect the opinion of Obama supporters like you who have for months come here and said either line up behind our guy or leave the party. I have read and saved multiple post since Feb saying exactly that. The attitude of your side now after HC and O have told you and your minions to just shut up and stop acting so ugly or to expect her supporters to do that. And what is your arrogant message. If you don't agree with us even though we have bullied and insulted your cause for months get lost. It is our new genY D party and if you don't like it get lost.

Found this post at another blog site that best describes why we refuse to fall in line:

" I appreciate the position you are in and what you are trying to say...perhaps between the lines...as I have posted often I am just waiting to see how the VP slot is handled and will be watching like a hawk at how Hillary AND Bill are treated...I am sick of the insults, digs, and diminished regard that is flung at former President Bill Clinton...I am sick of everyone trying to make a cartoon our of this internationally distinguished statesman...

the Obama camp and supporters think winning is all about them...it has NOTHING to do with UNITY...it is about their gaining control of power...and over us...this is all one big power trip and coup going on...they are still the bullys, thugs they were in the caucuses, etc...and as I have mentioned before have no manners, no respect, no deference or reverence...they cannot even find the presence of mind to honor the twice elected Democratic President and former First Lady from their own party...

there are so many examples...just look at the Congressional Black Caucus...those that supported Hillary are being threatened and chided...

...these people want to rule...they want to overpower and they will use any method they can...

...Obama is not about us...it is all about him...just listen to how many times he says "I"...Obama makes Bill Clinton's ego look shy...it is truly amazing and frightening...

I would be willing to bet half these Obama posters are barely out of the 20's, this is their first time brushing with politics, and for many, as you can see by the level of maturity and discussion, this is more like a celtics-lakers game...

...the political discourse is a race to the bottom...

...instead of being gracious in 'winning' you would think they would come to a Hillary site with respect and understanding, but no, they come to taunt and argue...

...I fear this is a hopeless cause and will only get worse...this civility/unity marketing ploy is one big lie that has been unfortunately successful in duping many...

...just wait until obama has to start veering hard center...the far left will see...

...the bottom line, no matter how we slice this, is that Obama was selected by the DNC and simply does not have the experience to be handed the most powerful position in the free world...

I fully understand what the DNC expects of us and is coercing us all do to...however

...we can talk all we want about party unity...nothing is going to change the fact that this is the wrong person at this time...

...and this smugness and sense of entitlement from the Obama camp is only going to get worse...these people are not uniters...these people have no humility...
...just as Bush was the wrong person and we all see the results...so are the red flags with Obama...

...it is only a matter of time when we say,

"We told you so, but no one would listen"

my sentiments as well. Quit the smugness.

Note to Democrats:

Don't bother arguing with these "I'm a lifelong Democrat who wont vote for Obama" posts. Who cares? If they want to act like children, let them. John McCain is not going to win, so let them vote for him. If you can't handle that your candidate lost a primary, clearly you lack the resolve necessary to get any of the policies, both Hillary Clinton & Barack Obama laboriously campaigned for, implemented. They just want you to feel sorry for them. I don't. And I could care less if they, after twenty years voting for Democrats, will now vote for John McCain. This clearly evidences how vane, narcissistic these people really are. What am I following your life story? Am I supposed to be crushed that you won't vote for Obama? Good! Vote for John McCain and don't come back to the party. The best part is that so many of these bloggers are paid or unpaid volunteers for the Republican National Committee. And those who aren't are even worse: petty and childish. You think Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama or John McCain actually care about you? They don't. We're not in the club. And as an Obama supporter who has twice voted to elect Hillary Clinton my U.S. senator, I'm calling the disaffected voters' bluff. The sensible Hillary supporters will follow her lead and support Obama. But let's not waste our time kowtowing to these f*cking children. You don't like Obama, great. Go ahead and vote for John McCain. But don't expect any sober human being to ever respect your political opinions ever again. This is what teenage boys & girls do when they're mad at their parents. They don't eat, or refuse to talk or something. Or stay home. That's fine, too, because clearly you're not ready for this whole voting thing.

New York City Secession 2010

God knows why I want my city out of this country: Far too many people to get anything accomplished, and far too many children in grown up suits allowed to vote.

There's only one perfect choice: Sen. Dianne Feinstein. Anything else is nuts.

"Choice of Sebelius should be, at best, 2nd tier. She's only been Governor for 5 years and has no experience outside of Kansas. No military knowledge or experience and a limited record on economics."

Justin, she has much more experience than does Obama. Plus, Obama is basing his campaign on judgement...not experience.

I like Sebelius more so than McCaskill. If McCaskill wins, a Republican governor gets to name her successor in the Senate. If Sebelius wins, a Republican Lt. Gov. takes over for her in Kansas, but at least we don't lose a Senate seat, which at the moment is a higher priority.

I don't necessarily buy the argument that Obama MUST have a running mate with loads of foreign policy experience. (a) That's rhetoric that plays into Republican thinking, and we know that there's no-one Obama can pick that would satisfy them on that end. So why play the game?

and (b) Would President Obama not have a SecDef, a Sec of State, an experienced National Security Advisor and a JCS chairman to advise him on foreign/security matters?

Yes, the best was to reconcile with Clinton supporters is to pick a different, older-looking woman. Just like Clinton could have done the same by picking Uncle Colin Powell.

Sounds like a good idea, double up on lack of foreign affairs experience.

Or how about McCaskill(?) or Richardson. As a completely disgruntled Clinton supporter I pulling for them.

Choice of Sebelius should be, at best, 2nd tier. She's only been Governor for 5 years and has no experience outside of Kansas. No military knowledge or experience and a limited record on economics. And the women of Hillary Clinton's base would feel patronized if Obama picked any woman other than her. Plus she wouldn't turn Kansas blue and there's nothing to indicate she'd change any state outside of Kansas either.

"the moderate non women supporters would support Obama." That statment insuates that everyone who does not support him is RABID. Why not just say what you mean. They are emotional out pof control women who will tear up if they don't get their way. Its amazing that O's supporters never got the memo. Stop your constant insults of HC supporters, questioning their integrity, steretotyping women voters, and denigrading her supporters. Be it 17, 17.5 or 18 million. Let me ask you a simple question. Had Senator Obama garnered over 2000 delegates and 18 million votes and lost the nomination by 180 or so delegates to an ineperienced State Senator, would you think it unreasonable as one of his supporters to insist that he be given very serious consideration as VP, and would you appreciate being instructed to get in line and stop insisting that he be given serious consideration. Apparently you think that winning 18 million votes, over 2000 delegates New York, Pa, Ohio, Fla, Michigan and California primaries is meaningless. If I were in your position I would thank my luckys stars that my candidate had won a very close nomination process and act a little more grown up towards my opponent, her family and supporters, but it is obvious from your rants that we should not expect anything more than constant insults from your camp, period.

Arlington Voter:
Sorry, I thought Arlington was in VA-8. There was a story I linked to that mentioned the extremely low turnout for the VA primaries. If you're interested, the results of the primaries are here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/elections/2008/general_va.html

I'm in PA, so no voting until November for me.

The story of the century is why Obama in the end doesn't choose another African-American man or woman. Is there no one that is African-American deserving or as well qualified. I know that there are. Lets have a real historic ticket! America is ready they nomminated Barack Obama as proof. Why deny another Afican-American the opportunity. Why is this not explored by Chris and the media.

I am a Hillry supporter and do not support her being VP. If Obama loose, they will blame Hillary. Also, I think a black man and woman is to much change for the Americans. I think Barack need someone with miltary experiene. I will feel a lot better if he had someone with experience when he decides to talk to our enemies without pre-conditions.

There was no claim that all her supports were women, nor her claim to 18mm votes. I'd argue that if the issue was forced, and Obama's VP was a woman... the DIE HARD Hillary supports here would vote for McCain or write her name in, and all the moderate (non-rabid) women would support his ticket.

Can we get past all the talk of Clinton already. She lost the nod for the democratic nomination, why are we arguing over who Obama may or may not select as it relates to females VP choices. The Clintons have a former 2 term president and a senator. This is not an endless waltz... Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton..

Sebelius will get vetted and she fits, then Sebelius it is.

A Wellesley Woman against Clinton.

There was no claim that all her supports were women, nor her claim to 18mm votes. I'd argue that if the issue was forced, and Obama's VP was a woman... the DIE HARD Hillary supports here would vote for McCain or write her name in, and all the moderate (non-rabid) women would support his ticket.

Can we get past all the talk of Clinton already. She lost the nod for the democratic nomination, why are we arguing over who Obama may or may not select as it relates to females VP choices. The Clintons have a former 2 term president and a senator. This is not an endless waltz... Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton..

Sebelius will get vetted and she fits, then Sebelius it is.

A Wellesley Woman against Clinton.

Sebelius likely would not approve but if she wants to be vice president she could hold her tongue and even be called sweety. It is just politics.

It is my understanding that in Kansas there are three general groups of voters: the Democrats, the main street conservatives and the creationist right wingers. To win as a Democrat you have to appeal to the first two groups and face a right winger on the ballot. That would mean Sebelius must have a history of moderately conservative positions: something that should not be overlooked in an Obama running mate. Not positions that would appeal to the right-wing nuts, but something that would appeal to conservative independents: a counter-weight to Obama's perceived liberalism.

All that said, your profile of Sebelius would seem to make her a perfect fit for Secretary of Health & Human Services. Not that Sebelius wouldn't make a fine VP, but outside of getting Obama elected the VP just waits around for funeral invites (or to shoot his friends when they aren't coming fast enough). Seems a pity to waste her on that, especially since I think there are other candidates who could balance Obama's experience gap like Richardson or Dodd. And while it is important to win a gender gap, who are women going to vote for in the fall? In 2004 Bush narrowed the gap because of security issues. In 2008 single-issue feminists will be as worried as ever about the Supreme Court and everyone else about jobs and health insurance for the family. While there may be Clinton supporters mad at the Democratic primaries, by election day how many will still be so mad as to think they will be treated more fairly in a Republican dominated world? Can Michelle Obama be transformed into a woman's champion by November? She will surely be attacked in an unfair way by the Republicans and she has the personal history made to appeal to Clinton's female base. And in the end there are only so many constituencies you can pander too with the VP.

manchester comes here to insult HC supporters, claims they are all women(which is kind of weird), suggest that she did not win nearly 18 million votes and that b/c of this lavish praise they will do what he wishes. Why? Like a child because manchester insists? Why not just stomp your feet next.

So Hillary and her supporters are all claiming that they've got a voting block of 18mm people strong. I find that number interesting, first, I'm not sure the votes she received prior too the kitchen sink strategy would vote for her again. More importantly though, if Obama decides to pick another woman, what % of Hillary supporters would pass up a viable opportunity to have the first female VP, even if it isn't Hillary. I'd argue that a decent % of Hillary's female supporters would cross over and that those who don't would stay home.

By voting McCain, that only puts the first female VP further off and the potential of the first female president even further off.

Lets ask Sebelius if she approves of this type of relationship with Scarlet and Obama.

He already knows how to ditch the media. He has proven he can meet her in secret if he wanted, undetected. We need to keep a better eye on him people.

DougM ~~ "Obama will make a fine President- all we have to do is elect him." Doug, I would add, since there is likely to be a Democratic majority in this cycle, elect him, support him and keep a close eye on all of them. The Democratic collusion with GWB on all the constitutional issues alone should not be overlooked.

CJ ~~ I like your perspective but, ( I'll go out on a limb here) I believe one of HRC's contributions to this election is that she has eliminated that constraint on women. The feeling I get is that a women _would_ be acceptable as a VP candidate. On the other hand I think another minority, ie Gov. Richardson would be a bridge too far.

FlownOver ~~ Thanks for your health care comments. The system clearly doesn't work, but I know little about the real issues and constraints to make a substantive comment. However, never being bashful about my ignorance on a topic, it is my feeling from my limited experience that private health care has serious drawbacks. The incentive to maximize profits for the benefit of shareholders should not be the only driving force. Their is a more social benefit to be gained that can only be underwritten by the government.

I am concerned about this Scarlet Jo Hansen thing. I'm sure he gives his personal number to all. This is clearly wrong. He is married with children. Don't tell us he just wants to talk politics with this bimbo.

Anybody who hooks up with Barack Obama as VP is dooming his or her future. Ohio's governer and Edwards are not idiots! I do not doubt he will find someone but it will be someone with nothing to lose. His VP choices have to know when this Obama fad goes south. They won't be able to win a fixed raffle much less any elected office.

Les says it will not sit well with HC supporters. You just don't get it. That is precisely their intent and why they will pick someone like Richardson or Sebilius who are another thumb in the eye of HC supporters. Not only does Sen O and his wife not care how much they tick off HC supporters they relish the idea, just read the idiotic comments like jimbo's.
"willing to support an unqualified political hack just because she is a woman."
The O supporters wish to push all of the HC supporters out of the party, and should not be surprised in the least when that actually happens.

Les says it will not sit well with HC supporters. You just don't get it. That is their point and why they will pick someone like Richardson who is another thumb of the eys of HC supporters. Not only does Sen O and his wife not care how much they tick off HC supporters they relish the idea, just read the idiotic comments like jimbo's.
"willing to support an unqualified political hack just because she is a woman."

and perhaps those who just say lets all get along b/c we have to join them even hile their campaign continues to insult HC, think again. Many of us will be joining McCain and king in November rather than put up with the garbage we have heard here for 18 months from O supporters. And their continued vitriol against HC and her family just proves how right we were in the first place to come to that decision.

Mia ~~ Mark, thanks for re-posting that info. I had missed your earlier post and appreciate the info.

mnteng ~~ We didn't have an election yesterday. novamatt said he did in VA 11 (I think). Where are you and who were you voting for?

Threadjacking again. Front page article in the Post this am. Seems the Iraqis want us out and are negotiating robustly to that effect. I'm real curious how you feel that will effect both candidates' respective arguments.

It won't be Sebelius for two main reasons: first, she's term limited as governor and out of office in 2010, just in time to nab Brownbacks Senate seat (he's retiring in 2010.) She has an excellent shot, and building up a Dem majority is too important. Second, trying to break two glass ceilings is too risky. My best guess would be they'll leave the Senate and it's majority alone and pick a Governor or someone who's never been mentioned.

CP Cook:

We're getting pretty well off-topic here, but since you asked -

You rely on what some refer to as faith-based economics. A recent KPMG study of 700 mergers shows that more than half of them destroyed, rather than created, value notwithstanding pre-merger assumptions to the contrary. Cost savings predicted by those who seek to benefit often fail to materialize, and the perfect information necessary for the market to function effectively is sorely lacking in the complex area of health care insurance. Compound this by the market distortions introduced by employers making choices about the ultimate customers' coverage. All that would be certain is that a for-profit company would have a cost (market-required return on investment) that a nonprofit would not. Additionally likely would be significantly higher exec compensation (and parachute compensation) at the far larger acquiring enterprise, with the compensation decisions controlled more remotely from the individual owners. There's also the difficulty and significant transaction costs of reversing the takeover if the claimed benefits failed to materialize.

I also agree that the public would benefit from a more efficient health care system, but it doesn't necessarily follow in practice that a single insurer being acquired by a larger for-profit entity has a very direct impact on the service being insured or the extensive system that provides that service.

You're right that in theory everything should have worked out fine in an Anthem takeover. Sebelius's job, however, was to act in the public interest on the basis of the definite consequences, not the more speculative broad benefits claimed by a narrow set of proposed (and more direct) beneficiaries. The Kansas Supreme Court (hardly an anti-business body) upheld her exercise of responsibility and, although Blue Cross was/is the predominant health insurance provider in the state, her judgment was subsequently ratified by her election and re-election as governor.

Amazing! The Democrats should have the election in a landslide. We have a young, exciting candidate who inspires hope in people and has energized our young people to get involved and vote. What's the problem? Too many Hillary supporters who don't want to upset the status quo. That's the problem. It is the Hillary supporters who want to continue politics as usual in Washington, and are willing to support an unqualified political hack just because she is a woman. Thank goodness Hillary LOST the nomination. Hopefully a truly qualified woman will be chosen for VP. If you want to honor a woman for cracking the glass ceiling in politics and blazing a path for other woman to follow, then I suggest you look at today's obituaries in the Post. Elly M. Peterson is someone who deserves admiration as a pioneer for woman in politics not Hillary.

The vitriol between Obama and Clinton supporters on this blog really needs to stop as the only one who benefits is McCain.

Please everyone- peace. Its really not hard to act like adults and come together so that McCain will lose.

Obama will make a fine President- all we have to do is elect him.

Sigh. Well, the some of the earlier comments were informative. Thanks to FlownOver and JEP for their insight into Sebelius.

Arlington Voter (if you are still out there):
Did you get a chance to vote yesterday?

Barack Obama will be showing his arrogance by picking someone other Hillary as the woman VP candidate and it will not sit well with many women Democratic women, nor men like me who believe that as one of her 18 million votes she deserves a spot on the ticket.

actually bob you are exactly right. HC was truly the only bipartisan candidate. While she is too loyal a D for my liking, she really knows how to reach across the aisle and work with McCain and Lindsy Graham and yes truly call them her friend. Its kind of interesting that the same O supporters who were screaming that O is the truly bipartisan candidate a few weeks ago now decry the fact that HC truly is bipartisan. Will she run as an indepnedent? No. Will she just like John Kerry be discussed as a McCain VP. certainly but just like with Kerry it will never happen. Its just political bs by your side to continue to smear her even when she has been more then gracious. And why should she with O supporters like you?

Chris, I hope you do the for/against treatment for former Georgia Senator Max Cleland. Yeah, we haven't seen the name much, but I just don't know how he hasn't been considered.

If Senator Obama asks Governor Kathleen Sebelius to be his VP, he signs, seals and delivers his defeat in November to John McCain. Not because Governor Sebelius is not an excellent politician, but because in his arrogance and smugness he feels comfortable and 'likeable enough' to simply 'brush off' and 'dismiss' the ONE candidate who won the votes and hearts of millions and millions of American women. He cannot win the Presidency without the 54 percent of the general electorate (women). And, needless to say, we're not very happy right now with how things turned out!

Huma it precisely because of jerks like you that many of us will be joing king and supporting McCain. I know that there are about 18 million other HC supporters who I would love to share your idiotic comments with. Keep it up. See how that works out for you in Nov.

And the perfect Republican match up would be McCain/Clinton......you saw it here first. Check out todays article in the LA Times "The secret friendship of Hillary Clinton and John McCain".

If Senator Obama asks Governor Kathleen Sebelius to be his VP, he signs, seals and delivers his defeat in November to John McCain. Not because Governor Sebelius is not an excellent politician, but because in his arrogance and smugness he feels comfortable and 'likable enough' to simply 'brush off' and 'dismiss' the ONE candidate who won the votes and hearts of millions and millions of American women in this country! He cannot win the Presidency without the 54 percent of the general electorate (women). And, needless to say, we're not very happy right now with how things turned out.

O need to find "a qualified woman for the job", jimboy???

And this is the kind of overtures your campaign wishes to make towards HC and her supporters.

Apparently you have zero understanding how we still do not believe that a State Senator is qualified as POTUS, and you have the AUDACITY to call her unqualified?
And this is your campaign's overture to us and motivation to support(vote and contribute) your candidate Why?

I seem to be having some focus problems today.

I thought that Sen. Obama has enough delegates to win the Democratic nomination. But Sen. Clinton's supporters are posting as if she has enough. Am I incorrectly reading and hearing all of the news reports since last week?

Also, a couple of times in the past few days I've seen posts about the Bush tax cuts being repealed. Am I incorrectly reading and hearing all of the news reports that the Democrats are just going to let the Republican passed expiration provisions take effect? There is a difference. Republicans took a gamble that they would be in control at expiration time. They may be; but if they're not, they will have simply gambled and lost. To imply otherwise is being dishonest.

I too am amused by the "Obama has exceptional judgment" claim. I have yet to see a shred of evidence.

Obama has 'exceptional judgment"?

Oh let me count the ways how very wrong that statement is. Did you really want to revive his great judmenent with Pastor Wright over 20 years?

Very interesting comments from the Hillary supporters. It appears that they really only support a woman for VP if it is Hillary. Why not let Obama pick a qualified woman for the job?

The hell with trying to assuage the anger of a few Hillary fans who didn't do enough to help our candidate win the nomination.

Grow up people. You are competing in the real world where changing the rules after the process has started does not occur.

Leave Hillary alone so she can finally divorce Bill and live a life of happiness with her "traveling Chief of Staff."

Jill as a HC supporter I find it typical for the Obama campaign to be "huddling with Hillary's major donors", expect us all just to fall in line behind him and then hear he and Michelle tell us they need to look at Sebilius or Sen Mccaskle as a VP choice, and s**** HC. Others here say the Clintons owe them their allegiance and duty to work their hearts out for Obama to get him elected and "should then just disappear behind a curtain" after thety get him elected. We owe them our vote, support, fundraising apparatus, and the Clinton's campaigning in Ohio and Fla, becuause of what? I have always posted here that I expected HC to be gracious and a team player even when kicked in the backside by the DNC and the Obama campaign and then just to take her place. As one of her supporters I am just not as gracious and have still yet seen any overture to either HC or her supporters to justify that support. Once again we are told they are entitled to it. Exactly why?

make a good argument Alan, but Richardson, as you say, is of Hispanic heritage.... and I wish... but a black and a Mexican might be to big of enchilada to push down the pie hole all at one time. I certainly can not imagine a more able Secretary of State to clean-up Rices' mess. I think in a strategic time of disassembly, of the many Bush/Cheney doctrines. I think Leahy is worth a look see, Wesley Clark maybe.... Obama has exceptional judgement, but I'm afraid he needs an old coot with historical knowledge of where bodies lay. This is not a year of demographics... like when the repugs brought in Cheney to assist a young President, the Demz will have to assemble a similar construct to achieve the same result in reverse.

Obama picking a woman, who is not Hillary Rodham? I will slit my wrist before I vote for him. The worst he can do to himself is to keep believing his own press. 18 million slaps in my face and the lever behind the curtain will turn to the other guy from the other party. If he had half of Hillary's brain, he would realize just how much more powerful and respected she has become since her concession speech.

One problem for Senator Obama and his class-warfare crowd is that repealing the Bush tax cuts for those with earnings of more than $250,000 would raise only about $40 billion a year, according to Cato Institute economist Alan Reynolds. That would leave President Obama with a $360 billion shortfall to meet his other proposals. Either those nurses and policemen are going to have to be defined as "rich" by Team Obama, or the Democrats' pledge of balancing the budget in five years is a fantasy. Add the fact that his various spending proposals will certainly prove more costly than projected. It sounds like not just the top 2% but most of the bottom 98% had better get ready for higher taxes under an Obama administration.

This democrat will stay home if Sebilius gets the nod. As a hillary supporter this is a slap in the face. Just as african americans would stay home if Hillary was the nominee and she selected an african american other than Obama for vp. It is incredulous that it is even being considered. And how is Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg qualified to weigh in on the selection of the vp candidate?

Rep. Dan Boren (D-Okla.) told The Associated Press that Obama is too liberal for his district, and he does not work well with Republicans despite his rhetoric.

Imagine a truthful Liberal. Must be from a red state.

To FlownOver... Work on me on this Kansas Blue Shield... The reason why it is being bought by a for-profit entity is because the acquiring entity thought that it can make it more efficient, probably due to economies of scale (other customers from other states - hence size of base is important). The likelihood is premium increases is usually based on market forces e.g. how much the customers are willing to pay. If there are cheaper, comparable options for the customers, then they are better served going to that provider. Based on the link provided by The Fix, the policy holders/owners overwhelmingly approved the sale, but Sebelius rejected it. So, this is a case of government intervention over the expressed wishes of the owners who wanted to maximize their returns. I further submit that the customers also lost by not benefiting from a more efficient health care system.

No Sebilius, this is a slap in the face to Hillary supporters. No substitutes, if Sebilius wants to run for president, let her do it on her own steam. I will definitely sit home on 11/4/08 if this happens. No Sebilius, No WAY.

First, eliminate any Senator from a battleground or "normally Red" state as holding that Senate seat is as important, if not more so, to a prospective Obama Administration. That eliminates Webb, Bayh, and Nelson of Florida. Second, acknowledge that Obama's greatest PERCEIVED weakness is in the foreign policy and defense arena. Third, the Latino vote is key in several "swing" states. Fourth, and this might sound distasteful but it's a reality in the battle ground states - if there may be a reluctance by some to vote for a black candidate, adding a woman to the ticket would seem to be "suicidal". Bottom line, there is one obvious choice and that's Bill Richardson, hands-down. All this other speculation is just so much chaff.

First, eliminate any Senator from a battleground or "normally Red" state as holding that Senate seat is as important, if not more so, to a prospective Obama Administration. That eliminates Webb, Bayh, and Nelson of Florida. Second, acknowledge that Obama's greatest PERCEIVED weakness is in the foreign policy and defense arena. Third, the Latino vote is key in several "swing" states. Fourth, and this might sound distasteful but it's a reality in the battle ground states - if there may be a reluctance by some to vote for a black candidate, adding a woman to the ticket would seem to be "suicidal". Bottom line, there is one obvious choice and that's Bill Richardson, hands-down. All this other speculation is just so much chaff.

Kathleen Sebelius beats the hell out of Hillary Clinton as a possibly VP. And, I for one, am quite happy that Ted Strickland has ruled out being on the ticket. I think we all remember the video of Hillary screaming "Shame on you Barack Obama" like someone's pissed off mother and Gov. Ted standing behind her nodding like a bobblehead.

And, by the way. It's not sexist to compared Hillary to a "pissed off mother" when she acts like one. I say the same thing about George Bush everytime he does a press conference, except I feel like I'm being scolded by my pissed off dad. There's no sexism here, just obnoxious politicans.

It is misleading to refer to an entire gender as a voting "bloc". Having said that, Chris' point that Ds historically rely on a gender gap in which women favor Ds while men favor Rs remains true.

Having altered the mindset of most Americans by her strong run for the nomination,it seems inconceivable that HRC herself would want to impose any kind of a "ceiling" on another female.

Arlington Voter - if you did not see my response: RNC is able to provide imited funding to McC if he is not taking public money; none if he is. BUT - RNC can directly run ads itself for McC. I think that is without funding limits.

Let's be honest, those of us who live on either coast are naturally distrustful of people who don't live on a coast. "Why would they choose to live there?" Obama gets a pass because he's from Chicago, but to double down on the Midwestern card would be a mistake. This will not come off like Clinton and Gore. It will turn people off. Besides, McCain is going to keep hitting Obama on experience. Sibelieus does technically have executive experience, but nobody has much respect for Kansas outside of Kansas. Remember Biden calling out Richardson for running a small state? That's the matter with Kansas.

If Obama picks a woman, he would do better to pick one that supporter Clinton, and one that has foreign policy experience.

John McCain Wants To Overturn Roe v. Wade

Hmm. What about inner-city negroes and illegal aliens? Aren't they also important voting blocks? And don't forget lawyers and crimminals.

Finally, channeling Bill Clinton's "is-is" parsing, Obama attempted to argue that his dubious veep selection committee members don't really "work" for him: "They're performing that job well. It's a volunteer, unpaid position. And they're giving me information, and I will then exercise judgment in terms of who I want to select as a vice presidential candidate. So these aren't folks who are working for me, they're not people I have assigned to a particular job in a future administration."

There are only so many gaffes, missteps, mistakes, flubs and self-delusional statements one can make before serial naivete becomes endemic stupidity. Obama has reached the point of no return.

wrong demographic, there is only one demographic that works... strength and power, and Obama is going to need all he can get. There is/was only one senator who stood up to the repugs, time and time again. The Democrat Party will never be considered a power Party if it does not support the members that stand up and fight. ESPECIALLY, in the hand-off of a war.

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At this point I doubt Hillary supporters would be mollified if Mother Teresa was on the ticket. In the three months until a decision has to be made all the case of characters will be most thoroughly put through the process of figuring who really brings most to the ticket, who h as the best personality for assignement and who truly gets along with Obama. Like the primary season, this interlude will prove too long.

How about we all take a break from forcasting decisions we absolutely no control over and start debating the truly large differences in policy and attitudes and beliefs, because as we get closer to the election its likely to be all about all the nastiness that can be dredged up

This is a very strong case for Sebelius as a VP candidate, and she is indeed on the Obama shortlist. She also met with Obama and his main Veep asst. at the Bilderberg conference in Virginia last week. Also present, former dem congressman and fellow shortlister Tom Daschle. Personally, I feel as if Daschle is a stronger (more traditional) candidate, but Sebelius would double-down on the 'Change' ticket and also reach out to the Clinton bloc.

KANSAS??? You've got to be kidding me. What a PIT of a state.

Chris: I think you are nuts. Sibelius has vetoed a refinery and a ban on partial birth abortions. She claims to be a Catholic but supports an abortion doctor. There is no redeeming value in Sibelius who is worthless and dangerous.

If you want to ENRAGE Hillary supporters, just nominate another woman, like we're all interchangable! Blacks would be enraged if Hillary had been the nominee & nominated another black male to be her running mate.

Dunno if this has been mentioned by previous posters, but McCain IS vulnerable in Kansas. Boeing the major employer in Wichita, lost a $40bil USAF air-tanker contract to (I think) AirBus, whose offer was shepherded by McCain. Wichita's economy expands and contracts with the airplane industry and their jobs. McCain was trounced by Huckabee in the KS primary, even though he had become the presumptive nominee of his party by that point. If people vote with their pocketbooks, the Dems should have great leverage on this issue.

JEP and FlownOver, it is for comments like yours, appare