Before it's all said and done this race will take a lot of twists and turns...hopefully the US will make a informed decision and the media can be a facilitator in this process unlike going into Iraq and in 2000 and 2004... http://www.enewsreference.com

Since Obama's resume is so thin and weak we need to be able to evaluate him based on his actions this year in this campaign.

1) He committed FRAUD against his own campaign theme in South Carolina

2) He falsely accused Gerry Ferraro of making "offensive remarks" and then carried on as if she had made horrible racial slurs to his face.

3) He attempted to win over Superdelegates with a racist argument that there would be "riots in the streets" if the superdelegates did not vote for the black man.

4) His conduct on several occassions was disrespectful, for instance going on stage while Hillary was still speaking so the networks would go to him - this was rude conduct

5) He ran his campaign in a racially divisive way - he sought to bully the whites into voting racially, and seeking out and making up FALSE CLAIMS OF RACIAL OFFENSE while seeking to unite the black community behind him along racial lines.

All I can say Obama is you can not have it both ways, you look like a complete hypocrite and a fraud.

We can add to that the OFFENSES AGAINST DEMOCRACY of Obama seeking to prevent the revotes in Michigan and Florida - and instead his supporters wanted those states to count HALF, instead of FULL, if those revotes took place - while that may look smart on the surface, it shows that his tactics are more SOVIET STYLE seeking to limit elections rather than empower people.

See, there are two strains within the BLACK community, one seeks to empower people, the other seeks government programs, hand-outs and is bascially more socialist. Clearly, Obama comes from the higher tax, socialist part of the black community.

The clear headed portion of the black community believes

1) One does not mix the gospel with politics.

2) Empowerment is the key to advancement

3) Working hard, getting ahead, without affirmative action or other hand-outs is the path out of poverty and the bad neighborhoods.

4) This group takes personal responsibility.

5) The empowerment people are personal-based, they do not care about Jim Crow or and they are not seeking compensation for something that happened to their grandparents or great-grandparents.

Obama is a confused man, not a leader.

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The problem with Chris is that he's consistently anti, when it comes to Clinton. Since Hillary has suspended her campaign, the logical question the Fix should be putting out there is can Obama make it up to her base? It's fascinating to watch pundits continue to make the case against her, as if she were the one running, not him. What is it really about? Continued the negative message to work against her as VEEP.
Chris let me say here and now, you're ridicuously transparent.

There is no way that millions of the fed up
Hillary Clinton voters will ever forgive her for selling them out to that phony empty suit loser Barack Hussein Obama and
they and myself will never vote for Obama
no matter how many pretty speechs Clinton
and Obama give about electing the most totally inexperienced,completely unqualified loser the stupid Democrats ever
nominated for President in history. And we
are mad as all Hell that gutless phony sell
out Hillary Clinton failed to take the fight all the way to Denver and the 2008
Democratic Convention instead of letting the crooked and corrupt Democratic Party
Machine of Howard Dean,Nutty Nancy Pelosi,
and Harry Reid cornate Obama their nominee.
As that destroyed the role of the National
Political Convention for all time,if we
let Pelosi,Dean,Reid and Obama get away with it. And that is why millions of former
Clinton supporters and especially women
voters will go vote for John McCain instead. No way will I and them ever be fool enough to vote for Barack Obama you
kool aid drinking Obamafools. NOBAMA!

I can't think of any practical reason Clinton has to mend fences with black, unless she plans to run for President again. And even then, why should she mend fences when her racial strategy worked? It worked spectacularily, in fact. If it wasn't for the Obama campaign's better strategy in the caucus states, she would have won through her strategy of dispensing with the black vote, and stoking racial resentment among the class of whites who see blacks as the competition.

Anyway, what's done is done. Frankly, I don't think she should campaign for Obama, and I say that as a black Obama supporter. I'm sure she'd end up doing more harm than good. She should concentrate on her Senate career (and use the ruthless tenacity she used against Obama against the Republicans!), and not associate herself with the Dem. Presidential campaign.

Posted by: Acanthus | June 8, 2008 12:41 PM

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I agree with you....she should not campaign for him......SHE SHOULD RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT!!!!! Then we'll see how fast he loses her 18 million votes! No matter how much you don't want to admit it, he NEEDS HER VOTERS!

And by the way, as a black OBAMA supporter, do you think he can really relate to you and all the other blacks who voted for him? How many of you live in Million dollar homes? Talk about being used. I will never vote for him....I don't want him or his Rev. Wright anywhere near the Whitehouse. I also don't want his racist, unamerican wife anywhere around it. What an embarrasment she will be....like a bull in a china shop!

I can't think of any practical reason Clinton has to mend fences with black, unless she plans to run for President again. And even then, why should she mend fences when her racial strategy worked? It worked spectacularily, in fact. If it wasn't for the Obama campaign's better strategy in the caucus states, she would have won through her strategy of dispensing with the black vote, and stoking racial resentment among the class of whites who see blacks as the competition.

Anyway, what's done is done. Frankly, I don't think she should campaign for Obama, and I say that as a black Obama supporter. I'm sure she'd end up doing more harm than good. She should concentrate on her Senate career (and use the ruthless tenacity she used against Obama against the Republicans!), and not associate herself with the Dem. Presidential campaign.

Posted by: Acanthus | June 8, 2008 12:41 PM

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I agree with you....she should not campaign for him......SHE SHOULD RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT!!!!! Then we'll see how fast he loses her 18 million votes! No matter how much you don't want to admit it, he NEEDS HER VOTERS!

And by the way, as a black OBAMA supporter, do you think he can really relate to you and all the other blacks who voted for him? How many of you live in Million dollar homes? Talk about being used. I will never vote for him....I don't want him or his Rev. Wright anywhere near the Whitehouse. I also don't want his racist, unamerican wife anywhere around it. What an embarrasment she will be....like a bull in a china shop!

I can't think of any practical reason Clinton has to mend fences with black, unless she plans to run for President again. And even then, why should she mend fences when her racial strategy worked? It worked spectacularily, in fact. If it wasn't for the Obama campaign's better strategy in the caucus states, she would have won through her strategy of dispensing with the black vote, and stoking racial resentment among the class of whites who see blacks as the competition.

Anyway, what's done is done. Frankly, I don't think she should campaign for Obama, and I say that as a black Obama supporter. I'm sure she'd end up doing more harm than good. She should concentrate on her Senate career (and use the ruthless tenacity she used against Obama against the Republicans!), and not associate herself with the Dem. Presidential campaign.

Posted by: Acanthus | June 8, 2008 12:41 PM

_________________________________________-__

I agree with you....she should not campaign for him......SHE SHOULD RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT!!!!! Then we'll see how fast he loses her 18 million votes! No matter how much you don't want to admit it, he NEEDS HER VOTERS!

And by the way, as a black OBAMA supporter, do you think he can really relate to you and all the other blacks who voted for him? How many of you live in Million dollar homes? Talk about being used. I will never vote for him....I don't want him or his Rev. Wright anywhere near the Whitehouse. I also don't want his racist, unamerican wife anywhere around it. What an embarrasment she will be....like a bull in a china shop!

I can't think of any practical reason Clinton has to mend fences with black, unless she plans to run for President again. And even then, why should she mend fences when her racial strategy worked? It worked spectacularily, in fact. If it wasn't for the Obama campaign's better strategy in the caucus states, she would have won through her strategy of dispensing with the black vote, and stoking racial resentment among the class of whites who see blacks as the competition.

Anyway, what's done is done. Frankly, I don't think she should campaign for Obama, and I say that as a black Obama supporter. I'm sure she'd end up doing more harm than good. She should concentrate on her Senate career (and use the ruthless tenacity she used against Obama against the Republicans!), and not associate herself with the Dem. Presidential campaign.

Posted by: Polcomm | June 7, 2008 7:53 AM
"My advice to Clinton was not to accept the VP nomination, even if it was offered, because when he loses 40 states, she will get the blame. That's the mantra from the Democrats-blame Clinton."

This is absolutely, 100% correct. There is no doubt whatsoever that Hillary will be blamed if he looses.

This is all so very disappointing. The Democratic Party leaders, who have always appeared to hold themselves above the questionable and underhanded tactics of the Republicans, have become just like them.

I will be changing my party affiliate to Independent.

I am so fed up with the idiots or Republican trolls who post here claiming the black candidate and his supporters must be racists. Why? Basically, because he is black. That seems to be their "logic."

Re-read what Chris wrote. Blacks supported the Clintons, as expected, until South Carolina. Unforgivable things began to be said there that were clearly playing the race card. Blacks switched irrevocably to Obama. They were pulled to him by his historic candidacy as Catholic voters were pulled to JFK. But unlike that race, they were also pushed away from the Clintons by what the Clintons were doing with race. The push combined with the pull amplified what happened.

It wasn't the Obama campaign operating Bill Clinton's brain and mouth. I am a white Southerner. I understood what he was doing with no interpretation from the media or the Obama campaign. My mother didn't raise a fool.

The racially coded comments went away after South Carolina. Then they came back. Always from the Clinton campaign. It would have been to Obama's advantage never to have this raised, since he relies (successfully) on non-black votes to win. That's simple arithmetic because black voters, of course, are in the minority. It was to the Clintons' advantage for race to come up over and over. And it did. Maybe the Clintons themselves didn't always do it. Sometimes it was their supporters. But they just smiled and nodded and didn't suppress such comments. They drank them up. John Edwards said, if you're voting for me because I'm white, I don't want your vote. He rejected the racist vote. They said nothing, and thus implied the opposite of what Edwards said.

All this will be forgotten, perhaps, if Obama wins, although the Clintons surely will never have quite the same strong base of support among thinking people of any color, for this reason. If he loses, that's it.

"The first Black nominee with a reputation for racism against whites, hispanics, Jews just to namme a few. "
you ain't kidding. if he was a white-skinned guy he'd be considered worse than David Dukes

Black voters ought to be mending and apologizing for their "black" first voting.
Obama has never done anything for the black community(he's not a member, he was raised white)

It seems all white candidates ought to remember that blacks will only vote for you if their is no black candidate.

From: Head of State LIVE
http://dralanjlipman.blogspot.com/2008/06/clintons-exit-speech.htmlhttp://dralanjlipman.blogspot.com/2008/06/clintons-exit-speech.html

Friday, June 6, 2008
Clinton's Exit Speech

Hillary, Bill, Chelsea entering the building.

The elegant lit-from-within columns of the National Building Museum flank a podium surrounded by crowds. The scene is reminiscent of the late 19th century. The place is packed.

Terry McAuliffe moves closer to the front of the stage.

Hands in the air applauding and cheers, a fusillade of cameras. We see Bill's face first, smiling; behind him is Hillary. he pauses to hug McAuliffe. Charles Schumer slaps him on the back with a smile. The camera turns to Hillary as she mounts the podium. A large cheer. Bill, Hillary's mother, Hillary, and Chelsea in a line atop the podium.

A pained joyful almost explosively joyful smile from Hillary as the crowd erupts. The sadness, actual joy at the love, deep bags beneath her eyes, there is a certain stunned quality--a dissociation almost as if it isn't real for her, even as another part of her clearly feels the reality, and trues to manifest the toughness, while deep, the catch in her voice captures--there is no other word for it--the anguish underneath.

"To the young people"...a somewhat raucous cheer.."like Anne Riddel"..."New Yorkers...Arkansans...And all those women"-cheer- "in their 80's and 90's, born before women could vote". An anecdote about this.

Strength pushed forward before anguish.

"18 million of you from all walks of life"--a cheer.

Her voice is a manifestation of willed declaration of what has been created by her, for her, on her behalf, cut through with the depth of controlled tears.

"To help elect Barack Obama the next president of the United States" adding a significant and notable depth to her voice. "I endorse him and put my full support behind him. And I ask all of you to work as hard for Barack Obama as you have for me". Mixture of cheers and sounds of upset.

First the forced smile as she begins to enumerate Obama's merits. Cheeks pulled up by sheer effort. However, then she become serious--and she means it. "Ensuring that Obama enters the Oval Office in 2009"

"The Democratic Party is a family and now its time to restore the values we cherish and the country we love..our paths have merged..united more than ever. So much is at stake." Cut to Chelsea--smile with tears.

"We all want an economy that lifts all or our people...A health care system that is universal, high quality and affordable" cheers " This isn't just an issue for me--it is a passion"--and indeed it is, as she hammers it home with vigour.

Remarkably, as she did in the Senate, you can see her settling in, hardening in, to the task ahead--taking her firm determination, and in the midst of this speech, turning it to the new task--still, in the sadness and exhaustion, willing herself to a new life of purpose, as she has done before in the face of loss.

A nod to rehabilitating Bill: "The man who revitalized the US in two elections is here today."

Remarkable, as through sheer force of will against anguish and depression, she slowly pivots, letting her pose of determination turn the anguished machine to its new task.

"Today, I am standing with Senator Obama to say 'Yes we can!". This is the VP pitch.

"Together, we will live in a stronger America. That's why we need to elect Obama our President."

This is a statue of strength mounted over a soul in anguish. Cuts to Chelsea, manifestly tearful mirror that anguish.

Now the repetition theme " And that is why we must help elect Barack Obama our President".

This is full and unequivocal support--a full corrective to her primary night speech.

"Could a woman really serve as commander in chief? Well, I think we answered that one. " A second VP pitch.

"Now, on a personal note, when I was asked what it meant to be a woman running for President, I always gave the answer that I was proud to be running as a woman, but I was running because I thought I would be the best president.

But I am a woman and I know there are biases out there, often unconscious, and I want to build an America that will embrace the ability of every last one of us....to build that future, we must ensure that women and men alike understand the struggles of their mothers and grandmothers and that women enjoy equal pay and equal respect." The subtle reminder of electoral power--just the slightest foot on the neck of pressure regarding the electoral power of the Clinton bloc and the VP choice, while also noting the genuine and remarkable historical achievement of her run.

"To those who were disappointed that we couldn't go all the way, it would break my heart if I discouraged you in...pursuing any of yours...to do what you want to do shouldn't she say "if I discouraged you to vote for Barack Obama? ) and never let anyone say that you can't or shouldn't go on." The slightest eruption of the earlier indulgences--a muted message with just the slightest subtle echoes of "if disappointed...email my website".

"If we can blast 50 women into space, we will someday launch a woman into the White House" In continuing this theme for quite so long, again, now she has lost the balance a bit and is leaning a bit towards primary night and the focus on her, whipping the crowd up not about unity and the fight ahead, but about what has been denied.

But--as, in the end, is her strength and her way, her burden to bear in this life--in the anguish of the moment, she wills herself to bring it around: "If you find yourself or our supporters saying "If only"...don't go there. Time is too short. And that is why I will work for Barack Obama as our next President, and that is why I hope that everyone of you will join me in that effort."

"To my family, Bill and Chelsea, you mean the world to me" --a cut to Bill looking bitter, angry as he has risen, sits back down. Looking to get even?

She is making the turn:

"As we join forces with Obama's campaign, we will stand united for the values we hold dear...and the country we love. There is nothing more American than that."

"The challenges that I have faced in this campaign are nothing compared to those that millions of Americans have in their lives."

"I will work to ensure that every child lives to grow up to his or her god-given potential...this is now our time to make sure that in this election we add another Democratic President and to take back our country."

"God bless you and God Bless America."

Waving with a smile..fighting back tears for a second.

Summary: A strong speech. From the beginning of her career--from the Gennifer Flowers episodes, through Monicagate, and the need to fight off its legacy during her Senate run, she has always been able to make the turn under adversity. It has been her role--indeed, her role in her home, finding strength and purpose under the pressure of often negative and hostile judgment and rising to a willed purpose, beneath which the suffering is controlled, until that purpose takes over and becomes the foreground, the reality, the new task. Despite the slight tactical engagements and subtle warnings of her electoral power in the last third, a muted indulgence compared to primary night, she gave the speech she needed to--for herself, for the Party, and for history.

Hillary has been able to make this turn before--and with substance, as in the Senate, where she forged unexpected and genuine legislative relationships. She has the strength of creating a willed and direct pragmatism within herself in such moments--and sticking to it. Consequently, this speech advances the possibility of a dream ticket.

Unity gained. Mission accomplished.

Cite:
Head of State
http://dralanjlipman.blogspot.com/2008/06/clintons-exit-speech.html

With Hillary's gracious speech today, I'm very sure Hillary's popularity will rise tremendously. And Hillary's voters won't vote for McCain. Here is a quote from McCain in 1998: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."

After McCain's joke about Chelsea, why would any Hillary voters switch to McCain?

HEALING the black vote?
COME ON!
What about healing the middle class and blue collar WHITE and ALL other RACES and religions that are not black voters or "black theology?"?
Obama is a David Duke in reverse! He should have been kicked out of the democrat party instead of treated like a King! He followed a racist and Anti-american mentor for 20 YEARS and he has NEVER apologized or tried to HEAL the MANY Americans of ALL colors and RELIGIONS that he and his racist minister offended and spewed hate toward and about! And his wife is right there with him!
OBAMA WILL NEVER BE THE "AMERICAN" PRESIDENT! He made that choice 20 YEARS ago! He turned his back on America! Read his own books! AND IT is OBAMA's FAULT that this party is NOT uniting behind him! Not Hillary's! But Obama's! He made the choice and now the VOTERS will make their choice! HE IS AN EMBARRASSEMENT to the Democrats and ALL of Americans! And to the EQUALITY and UNITY for ALL AMERICANS that democrats have fought for and Obama and Wright tried to change! NO OBAMA! And this is NOT about Clinton! It is about Obama! NO OBAMA!He has done NOTHING for America but listen or talk bad about it for the past 20 years!

Since the primary is over I can only assume you are a republican. I would expect you to be saying these things. When you find out the truth about "Coward Mccain" as you will over the next few months, you will have no choice but to back Obama or sit out the election.

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"BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY"

REV WRIGHT'S CHURCH IS BASED ON THIS.
THIS IS OBAMA'S BELIEF OF 20 YEARS.

YOU MUST KNOW WHAT BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY IS BEFORE YOU VOTE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUdjhKbImwE

Posted by: PAT | June 7, 2008 9:52 AM

Chris, what favorable/unfavorable questions were asked in that poll?

It seems to me that HRC misuse of race will be known as the race factor that appalled more than just AA voters. Paul Begalia talked about eggheads and AAs. Pat Buchanan called us the McGovern and Jackson wings of the party. Every future democratic nominee will know past performance will not forgive current misdeeds for most AA or Jackson voters (pick your term).

I hope it is a lesson that other Democrats take note of and learn well. While you can use racial code words to frame a debate and have appeal to the Strum Thurmond Dixiecrat wing of what used to be the Democratic party, you can also tear down the rest of what is now the Democratic party. It makes no sense to polarize the base before a candidate has to go out to win Independents and Republicans who don't agree with large portions of our diversity agenda.

I think AAs can come around to accepting Bill and Hillary but they are going to have to overcome their capacity to disregard and objectify vast swaths of people. Their propensity to lie when it suits their political interests are epic and unsuitable for future success within the AA community.

We have legacy of forgiving wrong behavior, but they have to admit they are wrong and turn away from the very thing which caused them to stray.

Dear Clinton Supporters,

This was a long, difficult primary season and both sides need to just relax for a few days. I would have supported Senator Clinton if she was the nominee, just like I intend to support Senator Obama.

The vicious attacks by each other supporters serve no purpose other than to prolong the pain that you feel right now. Give yourself a week or two to mourn, and then get back in the game with your energy and passion for our common causes of making healthcare affordable, ending this endless war, protecting a woman's right to choose and stopping our slide into global destruction.

Both candidates had almost identical policy ideas and shared values. If you truly believe in what Senator Clinton believes, you will vote for Senator Obama.

Sincerely,
an Obama supporter

"BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY"

REV WRIGHT'S CHURCH IS BASED ON THIS.
THIS IS OBAMA'S BELIEF OF 20 YEARS.

YOU MUST KNOW WHAT BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY IS BEFORE YOU VOTE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUdjhKbImwE

I recently received a YOU TUBE site that has to be seen by everyone...black or white.

If you want to know what "black liberation theology" is......(OBAMA'S CHURCH)then go to this site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUdjhKbImwE

The AA Community is going to be very sorry they backed this unqualified man because he is going to lose big and it has set back race relations in the US 50 years. AA can be racists, too, as Obama and the company he keeps proves. Black racism is just as dangerous as white racism. Can you imagine if the reverse was true and Clinton went to a Church that spoke in this tone about AA? If she had a pastor like Rev. Wright? If Bill Clinton made racist remarks like Michelle? This is the double standard that people in this country are just fed up with. There is no room, especially at the top, for racists, black, white, etc. Putting forth a racist candidate will have turned out to be a big mistake by the Democratic Party. Dean can say anything he wants, since he put the fix in to begin with. He pioneered this mess, but he had plenty of help. I, along with many others, are leaving the Democratic Party after this fiasco. The party pooh bahs stole this nomination. The Clintons have both worked hard on mending fences in dealing with the racist past of this country. Their reward? To be accused of being racist by the a racist himself. It just goes to show you. People are fed with the fact that you can't talk about anything without an Obamatron accusing you of being racist. This is absurd! Welcome to 1972. There are qualified AA candidates that could have run, I am thinking about Harold Ford for one. But no! They put up this racist amateur, a product of corrupt Chicago politics and their political machine and they install Tewes in the DNC. I am going to enjoy watching Obama self destruct. He is already self destructing and he just received the nomination. McCain is even with him, and that is with the economy in shambles. Wait until people really get to know Obama, the more they learn the less they will like him. My advice to Clinton was not to accept the VP nomination, even if it was offered, because when he loses 40 states, she will get the blame. That's the mantra from the Democrats-blame Clinton. I am now an Independent and will vote for McCain. I have no choice. I do not want a racist in the White House.

I can muster so much patience, but at the end I strongly suggest The Fix to get a life.The Primaries are over. And if I chose to vote Obama since a very long time, that never meant I did not like HRC. Please could journalists understand that this was a vote FOR and not a vote AGAINST. To this very second, there is a lot more things in common between me what some witless poeple call a O-Bot with what other stupid people call Clintonistas THAN EVER WITH jOHN McCain.
I want very much for Veep HRC , because BHO and her are both sides of the very same coin. The Primaries are over and Lincoln cant win without Sherman. The Fix needs topurge itself from ANti Clintonism because you are going to lose any credit you have with the BHO league, we may have had a diierent approch than Hillary and her voters but they are our brothers and sisters and we are not going to sit idle while you abuse them.

Judging by what chaos wrote down at the bottom of these comments. It is a well deserved reputation. Historical this is disgusting.

Who cares about the interest of the party now? We got bigger problems with Barack Obama. The first Black nominee with a reputation for racism against whites, hispanics, Jews just to namme a few.

I would like to have been able to dwell on the remarkable fact that a black man has been nominated by a major party to lead a developed Western nation for the first time in the history of the world.

It says something good about America..

But Hillary Clinton, delivered the most abrasive, self-absorbed, selfish, delusional, emasculating and extortionate political speech I've ever heard.

Barack Obama's speech, which featured a long and gracious nod to Clinton toward the beginning, was posted on various websites as early as 8:10pm East coast time.

Clinton, who did not post her speech in advance, gave Obama a much briefer and more perfunctory nod. She congratulated him on his well-run campaign, but not on his victory, which is historic and assured.

She did not on Tuesday night merely try to make a case for herself as a good vice-presidential candidate.

She held a rhetorical knife to Obama's throat and said, in not so many words: I'm still calling some shots, buddy. You offer me the vice-presidency, or I walk away. But she has also forced Obama into a situation whereby if he chooses her now, he looks weak. So that's the choice she is hoping to impose on the nominee: don't choose me, and Bill and I will subtly work to see that you lose; choose me, and look like a weakling who can't lead the party without the Clintons after all.

Now that's putting the interests of the party first, isn't it?

Oh well WAPO Obama Shill Chris has to find
some idiotic thing to write about that he
can spin and twist around in favor of loser
Barack Hussein Obama and which is why this
WAPO Obama Shill cannot figure it out that
Barack Hussein Obama and his crazy bitter
black racist wife Michelle Obama have been
playing the race card since day one since
otherwise both Obama's would be cleaning
toilets for Mayor Daley in Chicago City Hall even yet today. No Way Obama! NOBAMA!

Chris:

Obama's main problem is this: every year that goes by racism in the white community has been diminishing - come on Chris this is 2008. If Obama had to wait until 2016 there would be so little racism in this country, he would have even less to go on.

Chris, racism in the black community against whites is rampant.

Obvioulsy the older generation is different from the younger generation - however that is progress. Obama's campaign is setting back race relations in this country -

It is all clear.

Obama has clearly identified himself with the radical elements in the black community - the racist elements. I simply believe that identification with this radical fringe movement makes Obama disqualified from being able to represent all the people of the United States. If there was another person from the black community with a different personal history I would make a different evaluation.

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Chris:

Obama's main problem is this: every year that goes by racism in the white community has been diminishing - come on Chris this is 2008. If Obama had to wait until 2016 there would be so little racism in this country, he would have even less to go on.

Chris, racism in the black community against whites is rampant.

Obvioulsy the older generation is different from the younger generation - however that is progress. Obama's campaign is setting back race relations in this country -

It is all clear.

Obama has clearly identified himself with the radical elements in the black community - the racist elements. I simply believe that identification with this radical fringe movement makes Obama disqualified from being able to represent all the people of the United States. If there was another person from the black community with a different personal history I would make a different evaluation.

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I checked as you should have done and found those are actual fax numbers of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Chris, have you or the Washington Post asked Hillary and Obama about this fax on the record. What is going on? What this chaos45i person has posted on your blog for some time now seems to be no joke. What do you get paid for? If you are incapable of getting to the bottom of this story, pass it on to a real reporter. Don't just sit on it! We deserve as readers and contributors here to get the truth about this.

Let's not forget that Hillary is looking so strong against the GOP becuase they have been building her up the last couple of months out of pure self interest - while Obama has been - until recently - fighting a two-front war.

Everyone knew going in to this thing that the Republicans were going to fight tooth and nail to keep the White House (and that they would play dirty) - because it is their only chance to stop the Democrats from pushing their agenda through due to their majority in Congress.

And let's not forget that agenda largely consists of ending the occupation in Iraq, universal health care, tax breaks for the middle class - while rolling back the Bush tax cuts on the upper class in order to cut the deficit and pay for things like improved education and social security.

As an Obama supporter, I can confidently say that if Obama lost to Hillary - I would support her whole-heartedly because I believe that agenda represents the best way forward for this Country.

After 8 years of Bush ramming the Republican agenda at all costs and stopping any legislation that ran contray to it - it is very clear - given the stark results of those policies - that this Country needs to change direction.

And I believe that is worth fighting for - no matter who is President.

Democrats Unite!!

Heck, I'm white and it will take quite a long time before Hillary's reputation is rehabilitated in my eyes. I've never seen one Democrat pour out such garbage onto a fellow party member in all of my days. As far as I'm concerned, Hillary Clinton is no longer part of the Democratic Party. She belongs to a lonely political party of two: she and her it-all-about-us philandering partner.

How low they both have sunk since I voted for Bill twice in the 90s. Breathtaking, and not in a good way.

If there are any Clinton supporters here, perhaps they would like to take a look at why she will not be on the Democratic ticket. Any questions? She made her bed and now we must leave her to rest in it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121278857397353091.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

If Obama wanted to mence fences with Hillary he SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE HE USED RACE IN A CAMPAIGN THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE POST-RACIAL.

He should have thought about that before he made false charges of "offensive remarks" against Bill Clinton in South Carolina.

Obama was never offended.

He should have thought about what would happen down the road BEFORE he made false charges of "offensive remarks" against Gerry Ferraro.

What a pathetic man Obama is.

NOW Obama wants the country to vote for him because he has better "judgement" than McCain.

What kind of "judgement" did Obama show in South Carolina??

What kind of judgement did he show when Obama voted to fund the war???

What kind of judgement did Obama show bringing his children to Rev. Wright's church week after week, year after year???

WHAT kind of judgement did Obama show making a real estate deal with Resko after he was elected to the US Senate?

WHAT kind of judgement did he show making friends and hanging out with William Ayers, a terrorist who bombed the Capitol Building and the Pentagon ? (younger people do not know about that)

WHAT kind of judgement did Obama show when he actually thought that NO ONE would point any of this out ???

If Obama wanted to mence fences with Hillary he SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE HE USED RACE IN A CAMPAIGN THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE POST-RACIAL.

He should have thought about that before he made false charges of "offensive remarks" against Bill Clinton in South Carolina.

Obama was never offended.

He should have thought about what would happen down the road BEFORE he made false charges of "offensive remarks" against Gerry Ferraro.

What a pathetic man Obama is.

NOW Obama wants the country to vote for him because he has better "judgement" than McCain.

What kind of "judgement" did Obama show in South Carolina??

What kind of judgement did he show when Obama voted to fund the war???

What kind of judgement did Obama show bringing his children to Rev. Wright's church week after week, year after year???

WHAT kind of judgement did Obama show making a real estate deal with Resko after he was elected to the US Senate?

WHAT kind of judgement did he show making friends and hanging out with William Ayers, a terrorist who bombed the Capitol Building and the Pentagon ? (younger people do not know about that)

WHAT kind of judgement did Obama show when he actually thought that NO ONE would point any of this out ???

Chris:

AT this point, the Washington Post really should hold Obama personally responsible for these kind of attacks on other posters - there is reason to believe that this is a group very close to Michele Obama - Many many people have complained - today the Obama people have shown their true colors

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This is just to respond to several personal, ad-hominem attacks below:

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"Wow, Asper Girl, hate black people much? Those "blacks who don't know what a latte is" in Mississippi and Philly are my relatives, and they are smart, informed, and thought carefully about whom to vote for..."
Posted by: shouldn't be surprised | June 6, 2008 4:54 PM

You know, I won't even go into all the jibes at Clinton supporters, including all the articles of the Washington Post profiling every state that Clinton won as how racist its blue collar people are -- I'm talking feature articles about how racist [Pennsylvanians, Ohioans, Kentuckians, West Virginians, Hispanics] (insert state here) are. Like the blacks in Mississippi are all employed at Ole Miss in the Liberal Arts department and sip lattes. No one has written any articles profiling how racist the black voters are who vote for Obama.

According to the media and Obama trolls, Clinton voters didn't get Obama because, if they weren't "bitter", they were ignorant, "low information" poor whites. So how much of a higher percentage of the Mississippi blacks understand Obama's rhetoric, semiotic campaign than Ohio blue collar whites? How much of a higher education level do South Carolina blacks voting for Obama have than blue collar whites voting for Clinton in Pennsylvania?

>>"Asper Girl" is an uptight racist and reflects the typical, mindless perspectives of U.S. society.
>>Posted by: | June 6, 2008 5:50 PM

I've been subjected to your black racist, mindless perspectives for months now. I'm like Geraldine Ferraro, sick of all the hypocrisy and reverse racism.

In part, I reject your candidate because of all the racism and sexism arising through his campaign. Obama's campaign is a self-evident refutation of his vague and specious campaign promises of being a "transcendent" and "post-racial" candidate.

>>"Hey guys.. just want to let you know, I swallow!"
>>Posted by: AperGirl | June 6, 2008 6:35 PM

And that would be bad because....?

I suppose you bolt your food and gulp it in your gullet like the big male primate that you are.

Please don't post sexual and other slurs under my name.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 6, 2008 7:56 PM

scrivener,

The best part of your story is that it will also be the end of climate change, and let me tell you about the birds and the bees, and the flowers and the trees ...!

If Obama wanted to mence fences with Hillary he SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE HE PULLED HIS RACE BAITING IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

He should have thought about that before he made false charges of offensive remarks against Bill Clinton.

Obama was never offended. He should have thought about that BEFORE he made false charges of "offensive remarks" against Gerry Ferraro.

What a pathetic man Obama is.

NOW Obama wants the country to vote for him because he has better "judgement" than McCain. What kind of "judgement" did Obama show in South Carolina?? What kind of judgement did he show when Obama voted to fund the war??? What kind of judgement did Obama show bringing his children to Rev. Wright's church week after week, year after year. WHAT kind of judgement did Obama show making a real estate deal with Resko after he was elected to the US Senate? WHAT kind of judgement did he show making friends and hanging out with William Ayers, a terrorist who bombed the Capitol Building and the Pentagon ? (younger people do not know about that) WHAT kind of judgement did Obama show when he actually thought that NO ONE would point any of this out ???

.,

If Obama wanted to mence fences with Hillary he SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE HE PULLED HIS RACE BAITING IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

He should have thought about that before he made false charges of offensive remarks against Bill Clinton.

Obama was never offended. He should have thought about that BEFORE he made false charges of "offensive remarks" against Gerry Ferraro.

What a pathetic man Obama is.

NOW Obama wants the country to vote for him because he has better "judgement" than McCain. What kind of "judgement" did Obama show in South Carolina?? What kind of judgement did he show when Obama voted to fund the war??? What kind of judgement did Obama show bringing his children to Rev. Wright's church week after week, year after year. WHAT kind of judgement did Obama show making a real estate deal with Resko after he was elected to the US Senate? WHAT kind of judgement did he show making friends and hanging out with William Ayers, a terrorist who bombed the Capitol Building and the Pentagon ? (younger people do not know about that) WHAT kind of judgement did Obama show when he actually thought that NO ONE would point any of this out ???

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bsimon posted:

"It will be interesting to see if Senator Clinton has determined for herself 'what she wants'."

It would be more interesting seeing Obama determining for himself 'who will be his running mate'!

For for that matter, it would be even more insteresting seeing Obama determining anything by himself!

This kiddo is just a rookie full of gas!

If Obama wanted to mence fences with Hillary he SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE HE PULLED HIS RACE BAITING IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

He should have thought about that before he made false charges of offensive remarks against Bill Clinton.

Obama was never offended. He should have thought about that BEFORE he made false charges of "offensive remarks" against Gerry Ferraro.

What a pathetic man Obama is.

NOW Obama wants the country to vote for him because he has better "judgement" than McCain. What kind of "judgement" did Obama show in South Carolina?? What kind of judgement did he show when Obama voted to fund the war??? What kind of judgement did Obama show bringing his children to Rev. Wright's church week after week, year after year. WHAT kind of judgement did Obama show making a real estate deal with Resko after he was elected to the US Senate? WHAT kind of judgement did he show making friends and hanging out with William Ayers, a terrorist who bombed the Capitol Building and the Pentagon ? (younger people do not know about that) WHAT kind of judgement did Obama show when he actually thought that NO ONE would point any of this out ???

,

Chris,

You should take a break after months of dirty laundry! Your piece is absolutely idiotic!

The cornerstone of your arguments is that "in late May and early June, 58 percent of black voters felt favorably inclined toward Clinton while 36 percent felt unfavorably", so?

Obama would sell Michelle, his kids, Wright and Rezcko in order to get that approval rating among white blue collar workeres, hispanics and women!

Have you considered switching jobs or retiring?

How about selling pizzas?

She and Bill lost a lot of people between 8 and 10 years ago somewhere between Monica and the Pardon Auction, when people started to take notice that since the Clinton came into office with all that scandal, Democrats couldn't get elected to swat mosquitos.

With SD and MT now counted, Hillary finished this race with 21,000
more votes than Obama - EXCLUDING Michigan. Toss it in, it's a
349,000 lead.

Ladies (and gentlemen), if you are ready to demand that Supers honor
that - or you will vote McCain - read and sign the Nobama Petition
at;

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Nobama

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GE Nuclear Reactors = NO Containment!

Keith Olbermann: "GE is a good boss."

MSNBC's entertainment today consisted of an "analysis" of Clinton's campaign mistakes.

However, the Punditry forgot to mention her most important mistakes:
1. She neglected to Vote YES on the Cheney Energy Bill (like Obama & McCain).

2. On the campaign trail she said: "nuclear can be considered in the future, if, they can make it cheaper and find a way to safely dispose of the nuclear waste".

3. She got "news" coverage of her campaign cut to next to nothing when she said: I will close the loopholes in the Enron Bill that allow such manipulation of oil & gasoline prices, and, I will close the loopholes in the Cheney Energy Bill.

Thereby making Keith's boss GE not in favor of Clinton for President.

NEXT, you might want to look on a map & see if YOU live near one of GE's OLD nuclear power plants, or, near one of the 29 new nukes the Cheney Energy Bill is providing "for" "US":

According to documents obtained by Public Citizen under the Freedom of Information Act, GE designed nuclear reactors around the world have a design flaw that make it virtually certain (90%) that in the event of a meltdown, radiation would be released directly into the environment and into surrounding communities, leaving the public without any protection.

The NRC acknowledges the reactor containment structure in GE built nuclear power plants did not work, but they licensed the reactors anyway. (Also, a dozen or more GE designed boiling water reactors in the US and abroad have evidence of cracking in the reactor core shroud -- a metal cylinder surrounding the reactor's radioactive fuel rods.)

p.s. Stay away from the Hudson River: Over 1.3 million pounds of PCB's were dropped in the Hudson river by GE.

http://www.cleanupge.org/gemisdeeds.html

p.p.s. In view of the above facts -calls for FEMA to overhaul & update its disaster planning would be in order.

NO Obama! NO NUKES!

DON'T BE SURPRISED IF HILLARY'S "ENDORSEMENT" OF OBAMA COMES OFF AS BEGRUDGING, REPLETE WITH POLITICAL DOUBLE-SPEAK, OBFUSCATION AND BARELY DISGUISED EQUIVOCATION.

THE REASON: SHE STILL BELIEVES THAT OBAMA CAN'T WIN AND RISKS BEING NEUTRALIZED BY FORCES DETERMINED TO KEEP AN INEXPERIENCED LIBERAL ELITIST FROM WINNING THE WHITE HOUSE.
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The reports of an abrupt, awkward tete-a-tete last night between Hillary and Obama do not auger well for party unity. But what the star-struck mainstream media refuse to understand is that more than political ambition may be involved in the equation.

As stated here before, Bill and Hillary have been there. Hillary reaffirmed her belief in a "vast right-wing conspiracy" in her biography, "Living History." Both Clintons know well the damage that can be done. They believe they have been among the victims of a vicious campaign aimed at preventing any significant alteration of the "new world order" that began in ernest under Richard Nixon and was later advanced under Ronald Reagan and both Presidents Bush.

It's a fair bet that Hillary has tried to get through to Obama on this very point, but that he either refuses to listen to her, or thinks her entreaties stem from political ambition and not a sincere desire to spare the society from another national political defeat/trauma.

The Clintons do believe that Obama will either be co-opted or destroyed. They do sincerely believe that the only way to avoid this ultimate defeat is for them to continue to subvert Obama's candidacy and to prevent his nomination at the convention. Their unstated hope is that the Obama candidacy will wither under the intense scrutiny of the general election campaign -- fueled by new revelations that cast aspersions on Obama's choice of associates, and on intemperate remarks by a certain key family member.

Of course, she can't and won't say this. She will feign support of Obama while working behind the scenes at a last-ditch attempt to prevent him from gaining sufficient votes to win the nomination on the first ballot at the convention. The first stage of her continuing coup attempt involves holding onto her delegates, ostensibly so that all women of the world can hold their heads high as her name is placed in nomination on the first ballot.

This is totally disingenuous. Hillary's candidacy already has proven the possibility of a woman competing for the nation's top job. What more need she prove?

That's where the second stage of Hillary's coup kicks in. Unbeknownst to Obama and the party rank and file, Billary will have worked the backwaters, seeking to convince a hundred or more superdelegates to abstain from voting on the first ballot. The motive: to prevent either Obama or Hillary from securing the nomination the first time around.

After the first ballot, a rumor spreads like wildfire across the convention floor: The indeterminate first ballot vote was a reaction to adverse reports yet to publicly surface about Obama, his associates and his family members.

In the midst of the convention session, the "real story" behind the first ballot vote breaks on the internet. The panic among the delegates spreads; Obama protests "internet lies and gossip" but the delegates believe the damage has been done; this time, they buy the premise that Obama has become unelectable, if not radioactive.

At that point, the third and most audacious stage of the Hillary coup comes to pass: Hillary calls an impromptu press conference, stating that in response to the renewed doubts surrounding the presumptive nominee, Hillary is advising her delegates that she is withdrawing her endorsement of Obama and will decline to release her delegates on subsequent ballots.

But at that juncture, a fourth stage erupts. Delegates activate the "Draft Gore" option that they've kept in their back pocket the whole time, since well before Obama supposedly "clinched" the nomination. On the second ballot, Al Gore's name is placed into nomination by former supporters of Hillary Clinton. The vote is taken; and once again, no one candidate secures the votes required to secure the nomination.

It is at this stage that Obama, realizing that his historic but meteoric candidacy has come to an end, instructs his delegates to vote for Al Gore on the third ballot. They do, and the nomination goes to Al Gore.

The next morning, Gore convenes a press conference with Obama at his side. Gore announces somberly that Obama has turned down Gore's offer of the vice presidential slot, out of recognition that his political capital has been severely diminished. Obama then takes the podium to give his unequivocal endorsement of Al Gore, and he elaborates on his decision to turn down the vice presidential offer.

Gore goes on to take the White House, with Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano as his veepee. Hillary returns to New York, where she will lose her party's nomination for her Senate seat to a protege of Rep. Charlie Rangel.

She is later named a Supreme Court justice designate by President Gore.

THE ABOVE SCENARIO DOES NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT WHAT WILL HAPPEN... BUT IS A REASONABLE INTERPRETATION OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF HILLARY REFUSES TO RELEASE HER DELEGATES PRIOR TO THE CONVENTION.

Of course the Clinton's approval rate went down among blacks, whenever they said something the Obama camp twisted it into something racist. When Clinton said Jackson won SC, he was right, when Hillary said LBJ was needed for the civil right movement to win, she was right etc.
Unfortunately the other side of it that there is more animosity between blacks and whites than it has been in the last 30 years. Now we know what is going on in some black churches, but nobody in politics or in the media has guts to talk about the problem.
Ca you imagine if it was a mostly white church so hostile to blacks? The whole country would condemn it.

No matter how you try to ignore it, the famous memo from the Obama camp proves conclusively that smearing of Hillary and Bill Clinton was done by the Obama campaign on purpose, and it was highly effetive. The Clintons have never been racist and owe the black community nothing.

To hell with the black voters!!!! They are the ones who abandoned Hillary. Just let a black candidate come along and they forget rather quickly all that Bill and Hillary Clinton did for the black community. As far as I am concerned he has set race relations back 40 years! No one could be critical of him without being called a racist....but it's OK for his minister of twenty years to be racist toward whites. I hope they get what they deserve. I for one will sit out this year's vote!

If Obama wanted to mence fences with Hillary he SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE HE PULLED HIS RACE BAITING IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

He should have thought about that before he made false charges of offensive remarks against Bill Clinton.

Obama was never offended. He should have thought about that BEFORE he made false charges of "offensive remarks" against Gerry Ferraro.

What a pathetic man Obama is.

NOW Obama wants the country to vote for him because he has better "judgement" than McCain. What kind of "judgement" did Obama show in South Carolina?? What kind of judgement did he show when Obama voted to fund the war??? What kind of judgement did Obama show bringing his children to Rev. Wright's church week after week, year after year. WHAT kind of judgement did Obama show making a real estate deal with Resko after he was elected to the US Senate? WHAT kind of judgement did he show making friends and hanging out with William Ayers, a terrorist who bombed the Capitol Building and the Pentagon ? (younger people do not know about that) WHAT kind of judgement did Obama show when he actually thought that NO ONE would point any of this out ???

.

If Obama wanted to mence fences with Hillary he SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE HE PULLED HIS RACE BAITING IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

He should have thought about that before he made false charges of offensive remarks against Bill Clinton.

Obama was never offended. He should have thought about that BEFORE he made false charges of "offensive remarks" against Gerry Ferraro.

What a pathetic man Obama is.

NOW Obama wants the country to vote for him because he has better "judgement" than McCain. What kind of "judgement" did Obama show in South Carolina?? What kind of judgement did he show when Obama voted to fund the war??? What kind of judgement did Obama show bringing his children to Rev. Wright's church week after week, year after year. WHAT kind of judgement did Obama show making a real estate deal with Resko after he was elected to the US Senate? WHAT kind of judgement did he show making friends and hanging out with William Ayers, a terrorist who bombed the Capitol Building and the Pentagon ? (younger people do not know about that) WHAT kind of judgement did Obama show when he actually thought that NO ONE would point any of this out ???

.

Chris:

AT this point, the Washington Post really should hold Obama personally responsible for these kind of attacks on other posters - there is reason to believe that this is a group very close to Michele Obama - Many many people have complained - today the Obama people have shown their true colors

***************************************

This is just to respond to several personal, ad-hominem attacks below:

******

"Wow, Asper Girl, hate black people much? Those "blacks who don't know what a latte is" in Mississippi and Philly are my relatives, and they are smart, informed, and thought carefully about whom to vote for..."
Posted by: shouldn't be surprised | June 6, 2008 4:54 PM

You know, I won't even go into all the jibes at Clinton supporters, including all the articles of the Washington Post profiling every state that Clinton won as how racist its blue collar people are -- I'm talking feature articles about how racist [Pennsylvanians, Ohioans, Kentuckians, West Virginians, Hispanics] (insert state here) are. Like the blacks in Mississippi are all employed at Ole Miss in the Liberal Arts department and sip lattes. No one has written any articles profiling how racist the black voters are who vote for Obama.

According to the media and Obama trolls, Clinton voters didn't get Obama because, if they weren't "bitter", they were ignorant, "low information" poor whites. So how much of a higher percentage of the Mississippi blacks understand Obama's rhetoric, semiotic campaign than Ohio blue collar whites? How much of a higher education level do South Carolina blacks voting for Obama have than blue collar whites voting for Clinton in Pennsylvania?

>>"Asper Girl" is an uptight racist and reflects the typical, mindless perspectives of U.S. society.
>>Posted by: | June 6, 2008 5:50 PM

I've been subjected to your black racist, mindless perspectives for months now. I'm like Geraldine Ferraro, sick of all the hypocrisy and reverse racism.

In part, I reject your candidate because of all the racism and sexism arising through his campaign. Obama's campaign is a self-evident refutation of his vague and specious campaign promises of being a "transcendent" and "post-racial" candidate.

>>"Hey guys.. just want to let you know, I swallow!"
>>Posted by: AperGirl | June 6, 2008 6:35 PM

And that would be bad because....?

I suppose you bolt your food and gulp it in your gullet like the big male primate that you are.

Please don't post sexual and other slurs under my name.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 6, 2008 7:56 PM

Posted by: | June 6, 2008 8:37 PM

I agree with you for keeping silent Chris.
Who cares about Hispanics anyway? Obama is bigger than god.
James Warren

The Clintons have been forever tarnished in the eyes of most black voters. The vitriol that came spewing forth from Billary will never be forgotten. An Obama win could help, but not much.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

On your next cable appearance. Mention that letter to Obama and Hillary. I think it is all making sense. If there is any truth to this racism thing you should be drummed out of reporting for good. What's the story on Chaos?

Just got this email

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Dear Jxxxx,

I have been honored and privileged to work with so many dedicated people on Hillary's historic campaign. Your enthusiastic commitment to her campaign through the primaries has been inspirational.

As you know, Hillary will be holding an event tomorrow in Washington D.C. to thank all of her supporters, to express her support for Senator Obama, and to talk about the issues that have been at the core of her public service, the issues she will continue fighting for.

Hillary wanted to make sure her online supporters were a part of this special event, just as you have been a part of her campaign from the very beginning. So, we will be streaming it live over the website at HillaryClinton.com.

We invite you to visit our website tomorrow, Saturday June 7, at 12 p.m. EDT to watch Hillary speak live.

Thank you for everything you have done for our campaign.

Sincerely,

Maggie Williams
Campaign Manager
Hillary Clinton for President

SO CHRIS FALSE CHARGES OF OFFENSIVE COMMENTS REQUIRES FENCE MENDING ?????

What a joke.

The black community is alot smarter than that.

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For the other reasonable HRC supporters, I encourage you to read some of the better written articles analysing the 2 campaigns. Here is a good one from the LA Times: http://tinyurl.com/64rmfq

Posted by: Orion101 | June 6, 2008 6:04 PM
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Thanks for the link. It's a good analysis, well written and (sadly) better than what I read in WaPo. I particularly like Axelrod's closing comment vis a vis Clinton.

C'mon, Chris, everyone knows only the votes of hardworking whites matter. Black support only matters to Clinton since she might actually have to run for re-election in New York and needs those lazy-but-registered, why'd we give 'em the vote in the first place blacks to turn out and not vote GOP (presuming the Repubs decide not match Hillary in dissing the black vote).

(The irony is that several key staffers and supporters for Clinton are black, including Maggie Williams, who turned around her campaign, Cheryl Mills and Charles Rangel, who was one of the first to encourage her to run for the Senate. Making her off-the-wall statements even more baffling.)

All you Clinton/McCain supporters and Obama haters should read http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/06/AR2008060601470.html?hpid=topnews and then get back to us on how four years of McCain would be preferable to a Democratic Administration under Obama. Jake-D, your party's not giving you much to work with these days.

The black voters look back and say, "Were we just used"? Maybe we were just something for the Clintons to used to their advantage

It will be interesting to see if Senator Clinton has determined for herself 'what she wants'.

When you seek old John McCain ............................................................ .
As your numbing Novocaine ............................................................
You may be finally going off track ............................................................
By closing your minds to Barack ............................................................
Who is the real cure for your pain! ............................................................

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Keep spewing the venom Hillary supporters ... let it out ... let it all out. God Bless.

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I know the tiny subset of unstable, venomous/vociferous Hillary supporters are the natural counterparts to the extreme right wing nut jobs (though funnily enough they rarely realize that!) and may offset the venom from that side - but I believe the nation is tired of both these loose ends.

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For the other reasonable HRC supporters, I encourage you to read some of the better written articles analysing the 2 campaigns. Here is a good one from the LA Times: http://tinyurl.com/64rmfq

"Clinton must find a way to bridge the chasm that has opened between the former First Couple and African American voters during this primary process"

Why? She's not going to be on the ticket, so it's not her problem. Identity politics' chickens have come home to roost in the democrat party. bok bok

Seriously, Clinton's success in restoring her image will be inversely proportional to the extent of her overt effort to restore her image. Her late (post-Tuesday) decline was due almost entirely to her insistence that the focus be on her, and more of the same will result in more decline. It's hard to say "humility" and "politician" in the same breath without laughing, but she might want to try at least a smidgen of contrition.

Yeah, that'll happen.

Amy Pohler, is that you posting anonymously?

The Clintons owe blacks absolutely nothing. I hope she forever abandons that constituency.Just as Obama has lost educated , upper income white women everywhere, the Clintons should say good riddance to blacks. Write in Hillary!

I'm still wondering what that whole secret meeting was really about. I hope not collusion. This is the basic text a notice I faxed June 5, 2008

Attention to: presumptive Democratic nominee, Barack Obama
Il. U.S. Senator Barack Obama
Washington, DC 20510
Fax 1-217-492-5099
&
U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton
Fax 1-217-228-0282

June 5, 2008
ONGOING COMPLAINT & NOTICE OF RACISM

Already having been placed on repeated written notice regarding the racist actions and/ or inactions of IL U.S. Senator Barack Obama against Americans who happen to be Hispanic in his own state of Illinois when you, U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton, aware of my situation now states... "On Saturday, I will extend my congratulations to Senator Obama and my support for his candidacy. "and that..." my differences with Senator Obama are small compared to the differences we have with Senator McCain and the Republicans." the verifiable