What Do You Like About the NHL?

And just like that, NHL action is underway. Now we could go on about how nobody noticed the season starting for what's supposed to be a major sports league, and how hockey gets lower TV ratings than Mahjong tournaments, but that wouldn't be kind. Besides, we're all about encouraging positivity -- except when we're not -- and there figures to be plenty of commentary out there about why the NHL has slipped or seems to be falling behind such other diversions as NASCAR, golf and, say, MLS. We want to go in a diferent direction and find out what people actually LIKE about the NHL, eh?

By Desmond Bieler |  September 30, 2007; 1:56 PM ET NHL
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Hockey is such an incredible sport to watch and play. There is a tremendous amount of skill and strength involved. The action moves incredibly fast which provides for some hard hits.

The NHL has started to get away from the goonery of years ago and started to focus on letting the speed of the game come to the forefront. This has really opened up the ice for some amazing players.

Our own #8 Alex Ovechkin is an INCREDIBLE athlete who encompasses SO many of the skills desired in a hockey player. He is one of the new elite NHL Stars that can save the league.

Posted by: DC Native in Philly | October 1, 2007 11:50 PM

Those who give it a chance--and go to a game or two in person instead of flipping past it on TV (not much danger of that since ESPN favors poker, turtle-wrestling, and other such "sports" and you'd have to stop on the VS channel if your cable gets it)--will discover that hockey is simply the fastest, most intense, most exciting sport around. Oh, and also they might notice that through the luck of a lottery pick the Caps have arguably the most inventive, thrilling player in a generation, Alex Ovechkin.

Too bad the Post hates hockey, even though Tarik does a nice job with the Caps--why not let him write a column once in a while?

Posted by: Jim | October 2, 2007 1:01 AM

"Now we could go on about how nobody noticed the season starting..." HUH???? There lies the problems, the constant use of "we" and the "nobody" by you and the other so-called sports reporters to refer to the population in general when in reality you are only projecting your own views. The shallow sports knowledge by the majority of this town sports media is fantastic when one realizes that these people think of themselves as the authority on the subject. There are great numbers of hockey fans already on this town, and many more that probably would enjoy the game if they were aware of it. Unfortunately, "WE" (BY "WE" I MEAN YOU THE SPORTS REPORTERS) don't write about it and "WE" keep those fans on the dark so that then we can point out how "NOBODY" attended a game. But, hey, I know it is a problem with resources, your company needs all reporters to attend a Redskins' press conference so that they can ask the same stupid question then fill the sports pages with the same stupid answers. - Sorry. I got to cut this short, I just heard breaking news: "Clinton Portis may be heading to the bathroom" .... go to go ...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 1:52 AM

Nicknames. No one goes by their given name.
Folksiness. See above.
Athleticism. This sport requires it more than any other.
Constant action. Way more than football or soccer.
Team element. More than any other sport, this game glorifies the role players and tries to quiet all but the biggest stars.

Posted by: Rage | October 2, 2007 7:33 AM

Hey lets be positive by pointing out a bunch of negatives. Brilliant!!!

No need to point out the positives about hockey. You either know it or you do not. It is clear. Clearly, other than Tarik, the Post fails at yet another area of reporting and does not get it. Maybe that is more Bettmans fault but come on!!! Either shut up about hockey or YOU do your job and report the good things about it instead of crying about how an opening night was overshadowed by a historical playoff race. I am pretty sure just as many people know who won the race as who won the opening NHL game.

Posted by: Mike | October 2, 2007 7:36 AM


Posted by: JohnMD1022 | October 2, 2007 8:38 AM

The only thing that I like about the NHL is its history and traditions and the fact that its member teams comprise the best professional hockey in the world.

Now if they can just keep from screwing it up by trying to make a fashion statement out of the league and produce an MTV video out of it... They are walking a very precarious line at the moment trying to promote mass appeal in terms of entertainment.

Just stick with what got you there. Its one of the greatest sports in the world. Leave it that way.

Posted by: Muddapucker | October 2, 2007 8:47 AM

NHL needs to get rid of Bettman and get back on ESPN. The Versus experiment is a failure. The NHL opened their season on a continent with no member teams on a Saturday afternoon filled with college football. Did Bettman expect anyone to tune in? ESPN showed 0 highlights on SportsCenter from the NHL opener. Why? Because they no longer have the contract to broadcast NHL games. So, where is the incentive for the network to cover the sport? Gone.

I agree with the above sportswriter bashing. The only newsworthy NHL stories are the ones that are negative (McSorley, Simon, etc.) Other than those awful incidents, the typical Washington media outlet ignores the sport. George Michael has season tickets to the Caps but his seats are ALWAYS empty.

Having just moved to Philly from DC I am continually amazed by the amount of press the Flyers get. Even in their worst season in franchise history, the Flyers received more press and air time than the Caps did during their Cup run.

If you can't find a way to get Ovechkin in the paper or on the local sports news after every game then you need to find a new line of work (I am not talking about you Tarik, but all of the other DC deadbeats).

Posted by: DC Native in Philly (#2) | October 2, 2007 9:15 AM

Of all the major sports, the NHL has the most to gain from the advancing technology and popularity of large, high-resolution televisions. Hockey has all the popularity of an Indian buffet at a nascar track. The key to selling tickets is television, because when people start following it on TV they will want to see it live. If the camera-work and the graphics adapt to the latest in broadcast technology for the home viewer and stop showing the game as if the audience is watching from across a smoke-filled barroom, people might start watching.

Posted by: Henry | October 2, 2007 10:00 AM

Die-hard hockey fan. Will concede anything regarding the national popularity of the sport or its affect on Americans, but I will never concede anything about its excitement. If you have never played - you're missing out.

Posted by: Mike | October 2, 2007 10:13 AM

An amazing game to watch in person, a very difficult game to play.
I have been following the Caps since they began. I have gone to games at the Cap Centre and at Verizon. Sunday morning I watched the game in London. Monday morning I looked for any mention in the news about it. We the Fans of the game are wondering why you the media dont like the NHL.
Perhaps we would be better served to have the opposing teams papers sold in our town so we can find out about what is going on with our team. Tarik does a great job but is given very limited space. There is so much going on in the world of Hockey that needs mentioning but yet falls silent on these pages.
Hockey has a very international appeal....there are hockey teams in Beijing, Tokyo and other places that get more press in their local papers then you give to our own team here. Perhaps the team would be better served if you printed some articles on the rules of the game as well as some of the nuances that escape your staff, not your readers. I will continue to read your opposition they seem to like our team and support them a bit better. (at least it seems that way).
There is so much to like about Hockey and yet it is lost on those who are suppose to inform about it. Did you cover the World Cups? the Frozen Four? or was it blurbs relegated to a 1/4inch space. The Russian Leagues the Czech and Swede Leagues all these players dream of playing in our League. Their papers cover their native players in our league more then our home team paper. Have you asked your own editors that question?

Posted by: Doh | October 2, 2007 10:28 AM

Gratuitous shots aside...

The speed and excitment of the game. The only things in sports that are as exciting as a goal being scored in hockey are either a soccer goal or a home run. How do you beat Ovechkin sliding on his back and still scoring for excitement?

As someone else pointed out hockey is also the ultimate team game. No other sport is as reliant on an entire team steping up as hockey.

Posted by: EricS | October 2, 2007 11:51 AM

I've lived in several places that have been hockey oriented and others not-so-hockey oriented. Raleigh covered the Hurricanes two seasons after their cup run the same way the Post covers the Wizards (meaning a player ties his shoes and they write a 20-incher). I lived in the central valley of California, more than 2 hours away from hockey at the time. I heard more about the Sharks on local TV than I hear about the Caps on 4, 5, 7 and 9. They made a concerted effort to let people know what was going on.

Portland, Oregon has great coverage for their Junior team. Does the Post even realize there are 5 Junior teams in the immediate area, two of which play at Kettler?

BTW--Junior refers to the level of play that's between youth and adult. Players that play junior are between 16 and 21 years old, looking to move on to higher levels of hockey to get drafted or working to get college scholarships. Think of American Legion Baseball.

What's going on is people who don't understand the sport are downplaying it because it's not understood. You know, like all those people that said CD players would be a fad because it's too hard to understand. Or DVD's will never replace VHS. Or cars will never surpass the trains.

Bettman has done a great job at killing the NHL. There is as much history in the NHL as their is in MLB. But put out a poll asking people where the hockey hall of fame is and they'll probably get the country right, heck they might get Toronto right. Ask the same where baseball's hall of fame is and they'll tell you about a little hamlet (not even a town for crying out loud) called Cooperstown.

The game of hockey is fast-paced and exciting and can only be enjoyed in person. If media wanted to build up the sport, they'd work with the Caps and their programs that support area Junior, high school and youth organizations.

Maybe if the Post did a weekly on the Maryland and Virginia high school hockey leagues as well as a weekly on all the junior hockey teams playing in the area, it would give people an alternative to spending a lot of money to experiment with the Caps. People can see these games for free or for a very small charge (most I've ever seen is $5 for a state championship game), see some pretty good hockey and learn more about the sport without breaking the bank. I would say the area needs a minor league hockey team with a smart owner but the Post probably wouldn't cover them either.

Posted by: Missing It | October 2, 2007 11:52 AM

Hockey is violent and allows fighting.

This is a statement that so many parents use as an excuse to not allow their kids to watch the game. Why? Probably because nobody understands why they allow fighting.

There's more hitting in a football game when you figure that 6-8 players on each play are hitting, holding and stepping on each other before someone is pulled down or hit again. But there is time to rest. When you play hockey, and really only when you play, can you understand why fights sometimes break out. The passion needed to play the game along with the physicality go to fuel the aggressiveness inside the athlete. This fuel can then combust and when it does a fight can break out. Fighting for position isn't something that happens every 45-50 seconds like in football, but happens every second on every play. Watching a team move the puck, trying to get around the other players while also trying to elude the goaltender can be poetry in motion. The chess match that takes place on the power-play when trying to find the perfect shot, or get the defense to give a little allowing a better shot. The one-on-one of a breakaway knowing that if the end result isn't a goal or a glove save, that someone trailing the play could score or send the puck back the other way for a scoring opportunity. If you miss the goal in hockey, it usually hits the boards. If you miss the goal in soccer, it goes out of bounds and play stops. If you miss the receiver, the clock stops and you try it again.

In hockey you need to be constantly moving or you are in danger of losing the puck. In basketball, you can stand around for 20 seconds then toss the ball to someone in the final four to try to score. In hockey, you change on the fly. In baseball, basketball and soccer you need to stop the game. In football, you have to wait until the play is over.

In hockey, you can pull your goalie in favor of an extra attacker. Can't do that in baseball, basketball or football. Keepers in soccer rarely leave their box.

Offside in hockey can be a little trick to understand, but someone explain the many circumstances needed for offside in soccer. Offside in football has two names, offside and encroachment. Basketball doesn't have any off side and neither does baseball which make those easy.

In hockey, if your opponent does something wrong, you get a man advantage over them for two to five minutes. Soccer, they give you a card and maybe send you off for the game but that's not that common. Football is 11 on 11 for every play. Baseball, 9-on-9; Basketball 5-on-5. How about a player not allowed on the court for 60 seconds after comitting a foul in basketball. Take a player off the field in football for a set amount of plays after a flag. Argue with the ump, you can't play next inning.

Hockey offers many differences from other sports that try to make things too simple. Losing 5 yards on a play isn't as potentially destructive as losing a player for 2 minutes. For two minutes, one team has to play good, solid defense. In football, you can make up the 5 yards on the next play.

If local media would actually sit down to watch and enjoy a hockey game, not just report on it, they would see how hockey is different from the other sports in what it has to offer and how exciting even a blowout game can be. Tarik, keep up the great work, it'll be nice when you have a staff to help you cover the games.

Posted by: Theodore | October 2, 2007 12:04 PM

I love the way because this loser at the Post doesnt like hockey he trashes it. The NBA is pathetic - wouldnt go to a game if someone gave me a pair of court side tickets to the Buzzards. The NHL has some issues - sure - all of the major sports leagues do. The fact that ESPN doesnt show high lights is a plus as far as I am concerned - that means that hockey fans know not to turn on the network and try to listen to the illiterate ramblings of Suart Scott - Booo Yeah!

Posted by: HTown | October 2, 2007 12:37 PM

I love how the press always says that nobody cares about hockey but that's simply not true. In an article about Mark Cuban and the NHL, he had a great point. If the press looked at ratings in the same manner that movies and other attendance and viewership statistics are looked at with Canada and US being one large N. American audience, the NHL would crush the NBA.

NHL has more merchandising, more viewship and high attendance than the NBA. You also have to look at how "non-traditional" markets like Dallas have exploded with pee-wee leagues and rinks.

Even in this area hockey has grown so much despite the efforts of the press. Look at the growth of the high school leagues from even 6 years ago when I was in high school to now. We're having area kids drafted. To me that screams that more people are playing and watching hockey in this area than you think.

Lets stop assuming that no one watches be cause you know what happens when you assume...

Posted by: Dang | October 2, 2007 12:48 PM

I take exception to your first comment- maybe YOU didn't notice, but two full crowds in London, plus a lot of people around the world noticed (over 100 countries in case you're wondering). Put it this way- how many countries you think care about US college football (where games take 4 hours to play because of television, where by comparison a hockey game runs 2 1/2 hours).

As an expat from Canada, hockey is the greatest game of all. Period. In person, it's beyond words. The speed, contact, and flow of the game. Players who keep their noses cleaner, and don't treat fans like the plague (the NFL and MLB are full of overpaid morons who long since forgot about fans). The traditions of hockey (which other sports keep "borrowing") far exceed those of the other major North American sports (notice how all the leagues now present their trophy on the playing surface, and how the NFL now has captains wearing "C", how baseball catchers masks resemble goalie masks, how some NBA guys started growing playoff beards...I could go on). Hockey doesn't have the selfish "diva" element that football has, no silly histronics for making a pass or throwing a check (no time because of the constant action). Score a goal, and just pat each other on the back- no dances, no staged celebrations. Doesn't matter if it's the NHL, Major Junior, college, or even some 7-year olds at the local rink- the passion and love of the game is all there. Watch a game in HD if you can't get to a game. Makes a huge difference.

I love Hockey Night in Canada (funny, CBC doesn't need to trick things up or bring in a hack like Tony Kornheiser for laughs) and that NBC "borrowed" the line for their NFL coverage, where all of us back home would always tune in on Saturday night (and not being a school night, we could stay up and watch the whole game). Just Bob & Harry, Coach's Corner with Ron & Don, and life is pretty good.

I love Don Cherry, who loves the game and young people who play it.

I love the NHL in spite of a commissioner that is anything but someone who acts in the best interest of the sport.

I love the smell of the arena. I love the way your skates dig into a fresh sheet of ice. Maybe it's because the essential skill of hockey is skating, something 98% of Americans can't do that could be creating a disconnect.

I love that the NHL playoffs are the best postseason format in sports, and provide the most drama and surprises. Playoff overtime is better than any other sport's format.

As to tv ratings, back home, they're strong (just like the loonie).

And I still love playing the game. So maybe you didn't notice the NHL returning, but millions of other folks and myself took notice. The question is why haven't you?

Posted by: Patrick | October 2, 2007 12:55 PM

Hockey has a sub par following here in DC, when old man abe pollin kicks the bucket we'll be in a better situation. I mean we've had playoff games moved cause of the circus. I mean come on!

Thanks Abe for the center, but just go away already!

Posted by: moi | October 2, 2007 12:55 PM

Fastest game on earth...period.

Get rid of Bettman and the NHL will survive.

Posted by: Joe | October 2, 2007 1:20 PM

As a former hockey player, I love the inherent toughness and physicality of it. In this gray world we live in, hockey is black and white in that only tough, dedicated, courageous, and loyal men need apply (maybe a lot like the military). All others will not prosper and survive.

Also, just the grace and fluidity of the greats, e.g., Ovechkin, Crosby, Nash, Staal, Alfredsson, etc., is a joy to watch. Skating while keeping your head up, avoiding hits, puckhandling, and trying to spot open shots or teammates has to be one of the most graceful and difficult things to do in all of sports.

Posted by: Former franchiz playah | October 2, 2007 2:18 PM

If hockey isn't as popular, then why have so many new rinks opened since 1990. Someone help me out, but...

Reston (2), Prince William (2), Laurel (3), Kettler (2), Ashburn (2) and Fredericksburg (1). Any others I've missed and probably have??? The number in ( ) coincides with the number of ice sheets per rink they have for a total of 12 more sheets in the area. That doesn't count the renovations to Ft. Dupont, Tucker Road and Bowie. I know Frederick has built a rink but not sure of the number of sheets it has.

That's a significant number there and the last time I checked it's hard for ANY of the teams at those rinks to find ice times. Yeah, nobody must follow hockey at all, they're too busy PLAYING IT!

Posted by: If...then | October 2, 2007 4:01 PM

The speed
The skill
The comaraderie and brotherhood amongst The players
The constant action
The less timeouts than other major sports
The canadian accents ("aboot" lol)
The big hits
The fighting
The sportsmanship between teams (e.g. handshake lines in the playoffs)
The 3 stars of the game
The assist given for assisting the guy who assisted on the goal
The 4-on-4 action (need more of that!)
The slapshot goal from the blue line
The slapshot goal from the red line
The slapshot goal from the OTHER blue line!
The penalty shot/shootout
The glass shattering
The fans banging on the glass
The dropping of the sticks and gloves
The goalie fights
The Washington Capitals
The "Locker" Craig Laughlin, and Joe Beninati doing the Caps' games
Olie THE Goalie
And... Alexander THE Great!!


Posted by: Sam | October 2, 2007 4:07 PM

The NFL has a meeting after every five seconds of action. That's like my job. The NBA has .47 felons for every star player. That's like my neighborhood. The NHL's got relentless action, eye-popping athleticism, creativity, and BOARDS. No running out of bounds, no possession time-outs, no hiding from the game's great demands.
You'll never see lyrical grace and crushing hits (INside the rule book!) combined in any other sport as they are in the NHL.
Also, hockey fans are a breed apart. We feel a little sorry for you Snyder-enriching, count-to-24-and-jump watching, the Alpo-Pamprin Pontiac-ran-great-today viewers. Law & Order's on TV all the time too, that don't mean it's great...
Go Caps! (and Habs. and anyone but Jagirl or Crysby, really...)

Posted by: redlineblue | October 2, 2007 5:53 PM

Going to see a game and seeing nothing more than a game. Knowing that it would not take four hours to see one hour of actual play.
The intricacies, complexity, and speed of the ultimate and fastest team sport in the world.
The lack of stupid commentators talking about personal trivia rather than the game at hand.
That is only a few of the things that I like about hockey.

Posted by: Jethro | October 2, 2007 7:48 PM

hockey is the one true team sport. it's fast. it's awesome. it's true ballet on ice. ballet as a chess match.

Posted by: doc1963 | October 2, 2007 9:14 PM

I love the fact the players play 82 hard ass games sometimes 3 in four nights.
The players are doing the athletic things others sports people are and they are on skates. They hit a puck 80 mph on skates. Let A Rod hit a home run on skates. Or any quaterback complete a pass while being hit on skates. Doesn't happen.
I agree, media coverage in DC area has more to do with the indifference than anything else.

Posted by: billy d | October 2, 2007 9:22 PM

Once a person gives hockey a chance, every other sport is boring, When a play comes together it is the most awsome thing to see. Been a hockey fan for 20+ years, have 3 kids that play, best damn sport on earth, And I knew when the season started.

Posted by: Mike H | October 3, 2007 6:41 AM

Hockey is a great and exciting sport! It comes in a close second behind Rugby for best world sports.
Hockey is awesome live, and there is nothing like seats on the glass (kinda pricey however).

Posted by: cliff | October 3, 2007 9:04 AM

As a native Washingtonian, I grew up on the "meat and potato" sports of baseball, football, and basketball. But after having attended my first Caps' game in 1974, I realized no sport offers the continued action as hockey. In terms of suspense and excitement, there is nothing - not even close- to overime hockey, especially the playoffs. I have paced the floor following the basketball fortunes of my beloved Orangemen in the NCAA tournament but even that doesn't compare with overtime playoff hockey. The game can end in a matter of seconds at any time no matter where the puck might be. When your team finally scores you are screaming as much for your self as you are for your team. The tension is finally over!

Posted by: Paul D | October 3, 2007 9:06 AM

The best thing about hockey is that ITS NOT PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL.

Players respect the game, and they respect the fans. Hockey requires certain amount of intelligence to understand its finer points, maybe that's why it lags NASCAR in ratings.

If I were an advertiser, I would trade 100 NASCAR fans for 1 hockey fan considering the education and economic differences between the typical fans of the Sport (Hockey) and the spectacle (NASCAR).

I love the tradition of the game, the fact players wont touch the Stanley Cup unless they win it.

I like the fact that most HNL players come through the minors/juniors thus developing respect for the game.

I love the excitement of a playoff game in overtime.

I love the fact that players play hurt.

I love the way players block 100 mph shot with no regard for their bodies.

I love the fact I can take my 8 year old to a game knowing that I don't have to sit next to a drunk fool (Football games)

I love that you don't tailgate before the game.

It makes me happy that the NHL Center Ice package makes ESPN irrelevant in my world.

Play the game and you will get "it", and you wont ask a seriously dumb question like the this..........

Posted by: Genotype55 | October 3, 2007 9:16 AM

I've seen nearly 1,000 hockey games in the last three years. Why??? Because it's a great sport. When compared to others, there just isn't any comparison.

Each game is it's own story. And when the game you're watching is over, you go watch the next one to see how that story unfolds. Even in a 10-0 drubbing, you can see some amazing things. Like a goalie face 83 shots (seriously, 73 saves in a game, that's amazing), a player that rarely plays scores a goal, a penalty shot because we all know refs won't call a penalty shot in a close game (I will and have).

Yes it's a little cold to enjoy outside of NHL rinks, but there is something about watching a bunch of mites skate around the ice that a bunch of adults will skate on later that night.

Plus, and I believe this to be THE most important reason why hockey is the best sport...THE ZAMBONI! Who doesn't get lost in watching the Zamboni (or Olympia) take it's turns around the rink. I've driven them and I've seen them hundreds of thousands of times and still get lost in the awe that is the Zamboni (or Olympia).

Posted by: Jarrod | October 3, 2007 9:30 AM

yeah nascar can have 42 cars and golf can have their carts but give me a zamboni any day.

Posted by: timeout | October 3, 2007 9:33 AM

It's fast, it's fun, it's gritty, and exciting. What more do people want. Sure, they got shafted by ESPN and the TV deal, maybe that's why it gets so little attention. I'll be watching all season.

Posted by: JessMan | October 3, 2007 9:45 AM

Hockey is fast, physical, graceful, and very exciting.

Hockey players don't scream at the referee about a foul because their pinky has been grazed as the opposing player drove down the lane.

The television coverage on Versus has been quietly outstanding. They show many more games during both the regular season and during the Stanley Cup playoffs than ESPN ever did. Their treatment of the sport has also been a pleasant change from Bristol.

Lastly, the critics of the Versus network need to look at their cable guide. Versus is on every Dish Network, Direct TV system, Comcast system, Verizon FIOS system, and Time-Warner system there is. I know, I have watched Versus on all five.

Posted by: Five Hole | October 3, 2007 10:05 AM

Hockey is big in Europe and Canada... it seems to be the U.S. (particularly the media) that is loathe to embrace it. I think the recent games in London were a smart move by the league. With YouTube, the internet and lots of new distribution channels, hockey will continue to grow in popularity around the globe.

NOTHING can compare to the speed and intensity of hockey.

Getting back to YouTube for a second, there are TONS of highlights worth watching (fights, pretty goals, amazing saves, etc). What is a basketball fan gonna watch.... yet another boring dunk???

Posted by: SM | October 3, 2007 10:07 AM

Personally I love hockey, it has speed, toughness, skill, athleticism and is truly a unique sport with the great tradition and history.

The NHL is the greatest hockey league in the world so I embrace it and I look forward to games on TV no matter what network they are on, coverage in the media no matter what source and especially games in the arenas.

I will always ignore the negative tone set by most media outlets because I feel these 'reporters' are just envious that the NHL has the best athletes in the world playing a game they don't understand because the players don't wear shoes or use a ball. And from my experience people who don't understand something often focus on the negatives.

Posted by: twistedwrister | October 3, 2007 11:27 AM

The continuous action and effort of the players on the ice. In the NBA, you get about half of the First Quarter where people are going at full speed and basically trying their hardest. Then they go at half speed, take a few jump shots, walk up and down the court until the Fourth Quarter, if it's close. Then they may actually try a little harder. And I don't think there is anything more boring in sports than watching someone shoot a free throw, which account for about half of the entire game.
In Nascar, people show up and watch the beginning of the race, then mill around and get drunk, looking up to see if there are any awesome wrecks, and then go back to watch the end of the race. It's just that boring. Ask anyone who goes to Nascar races, that's what happens.
In baseball, some at bats last 10 minutes because the pitcher keeps throwing it over to first or stepping off the mound or talking with their infielders or pitching coach, etc. etc. Playoff games are the worst. There is an infield conference every inning, there are tons of pitching changes in the middle of the inning (why can't the pitcher just come in and start, they warmed up in the bull pen?) and the games almost always go longer than 4 hours.
But in hockey there are few stoppages in play, the players are constantly going at full speed, you're only give one timeout (and that's 30 seconds) and players have to change on the fly, as opposed to being allowed to warm up for 5 minutes.
I could go on, but I get the feeling that most people have their mind made up anyway. And that's fine. Hockey fans are great, even if there aren't as many in this country. I'll take the fair-weather fans filling the Verizon Center for a Cup run and the spontaneous increase in coverage by local media that comes with it. Until then, us hockey fans will continue to enjoy the sport that we all love.

Posted by: joe | October 3, 2007 12:21 PM

I like the blogs.

Posted by: Hockey Lover | October 3, 2007 12:54 PM

Hockey has somehow managed to stay true to its roots. It's a community game. There are still small towns in Canada and the northern US where life revolves around the local team. And I mean the local team, not the local NHL team. Very few minor league or semi-pro teams in other sports can claim the following of say, the Toronto Marlies or the Brandon Wheat Kings.

Hockey is magical, a quality that football and basketball have lost over the years. I remember October nights in the living room when I was allowed to listen to the Wings game on the big stereo. It was cold outside, but just warm enough to open the windows and feel the crisp air come in. Bruce Martyn opening the pre-game show with "Hello everybody, and welcome to Maple Leaf Gardens, where the Red Wings will meet the Maple Leafs for the first of six times tonight..."

Your typical Wings night included, among other things:
Guests on the pre-game or post-game show getting a watch or a pair of Florsheim shoes as a gift, and being genuinely appreciative. The Little Caesar's youth hockey player of the week during the first intermission. The Murray's Discount Auto Parts Shorthanded Challenge, where some 85-year old lady from Ypsilanti named something like Helen Stowalczak would win a $25 gift certificate to Murray's if the Wings scored a shorthanded goal. And with Shawn Burr and Steve Yzerman on the ice, you just knew they would.

Maybe hockey's about three decades behind the other sports in terms of glam and glitter, but that's OK with me.

Posted by: rive_sud | October 3, 2007 1:02 PM

I think the post needs to count the number of responders here and re-evaluate their lack of coverage of the Caps in particular, and the NHL specifically. They seem to forget that this is the nation's capital, and as such has a large number of foreign nationals from hockey giants like Canada, Russia, Czech, Lith., Sweden, Fin., etc...

Bieler obviously didn't take the time to look at Tarik's blog on washingtonpost.com . There are a lot of people in this area that know the season has started and are also very into knowing what happens in the NHL world. Why do we need to go to TSN.CA or CBC.CA to get hockey news? Why doesn't the local TV stations cover the Caps and NHL?

We LOVE this sport! It's the only real sport there is. There is NO down time when you're on the ice. No huddle, no chance to determine a set play, no break. You skate for 90 seconds and you're winded. You skate for 20 minutes in a 60 minute game and you ache. NFL linemen have guts - literally - sticking out under their jerseys. You won't find an NHL'er with more than 5% total body fat (basically their skin). Girls, these guys are ripped! No athlete is in better shape or more versatile. It's ballet, boxing, running, rapid hand-eye, explosive starts and more explosive hits and it's constant movement.

Posted by: Greg S. | October 3, 2007 1:11 PM

Hockey is the best mixture of speed, elite skill, physicality, excitement, quality people, and tradition that is out there today.
Soccer is highly skillful, but moves slow, and ends in 1-0 matches too often.

Football is physical, but moves slow, and too often the personalities ruin the game.

Basketball is skillful, fast, physical, and has great tradition. The biggest knock on it is the show-boating that goes on, and the off-court player issues.

Baseball is so slow, and rarely exciting. It makes up for that somewhat with it's rich tradition, but any "sport" that you can play 2 games of in the same day, can't be that physically demanding.

NASCAR is interesting, but is not a "sport" I can do with my son on the weekend. In general, I still don't get the appeal.

Hockey is physical. Sometimes it pushes the limits of violence, but like anything, it has instances of abuse. It is the fastest team sport, hands down. The skill required is incredible. And rarely is there a dull moment in a hockey game. Watch a sudden death playoff game, and the excitement is palpable. And tradition... is there a more well known trophy in the world than the Stanley Cup? The NHL has been around 100+ years, and has many great stories and legends.

OK, I'm done.

Posted by: marks4java | October 3, 2007 1:26 PM

Didn't notice the season starting? Not sure your circle of friends but I noticed. I ordered by new Caps jersey (love the new design) and added all of the games to my calendar. I'm a season ticket holder, I sit on the glass and I'm a female. I love the action and the players seem to be decent people. Our owner is tremendous.

Posted by: Phyllis | October 3, 2007 1:33 PM

Every play is different and you never know what you're going to get. You might see a redirection, wraparound, breakaway, slapshot, wristshot, or topshelf shot.

Posted by: JP | October 3, 2007 4:36 PM

First, I am a sports fan. Whether its basketball, hockey, soccer, tennis or field hockey, I enjoy watching athletes compete. I don't agree that a person can like one or the other ONLY. Each sport has its own draw and beauty. . .

Now to the question at hand . . .what do you like about the NHL? First, it clearly doesn't say what do you dislike about the Post coverage, or why do you hate the NBA, or even what do you like about hockey. It talks about the NHL . . .and the short answer to that question is NOTHING.

Now to answer the question about what do you love about hockey . . .there is a saying that says women do everything men can do (in dancing) but backwards and in heels. Hockey is kinda like that in my mind.

Ultimately what I love about hockey is the percentages. Let me explain . . .and in no way is this meant to be a slam in any other sport.

With basketball, you know that at least 40%-50% (maybe more) of the time there is going to be scoring. So if you miss one basket no big deal.

With soccer its the exact opposite. You might get a goal every 1% or 2% of the time. Combine that with the time it takes (the buildup) and you really don't need to pay much attention since you can tell with relative certainty when there is going to be a shot.

I can go through all the sports but let me explain my love of hockey now. Goals are scored frequently enough to keep your attention and infrequently enough to keep you attention.

Next point. Elements of Soccer + Football + Baseball + Rugby + Ballet = Hockey. Not much more to say about that.

And finally. My personal opinion is that hockey is the best sport to watch live. And let me tell you I love EPL with the chanting, NFL with the tailgating, and NBA with intensity. But for my money, watching hockey from the stands is amazing. You never get a sense of how fast they move, how hard they hit, or how graceful they need to be until you sit in the stands and watch them.

. . .and the Zamboni and the Mites on Ice too :)

Posted by: Some deep thoughts | October 3, 2007 5:36 PM

Hi, I'm the "loser" who posted this question and, wow, I would have thought I'd have to travel to Calgary to get flamed like that.
For the record, I do like hockey and think it's a tremendous spectator sport (as long as I don't have to pay for the ticket. After all, I'm not making Jagr money here).
But hey, my job is to poke fun and I'm delighted that we got so many responses from so many passionate fans. For what it's worth, I believe that Tarik finds me to be a worthwhile individual...

Posted by: Desmond Bieler | October 3, 2007 7:33 PM

I agree with everything everyone has posted. There is nothing more exciting than a goal in hockey. Or more heartwrenching than losing in overtime. Or watching a game in person.

The reason the Post prefers to cover sports over hockey amazes me. I know MANY hockey fans. Just because the media says a sport isn't popular does not make it so.

Posted by: Lee | October 3, 2007 8:06 PM

it's major league hockey, that what i like about the NHL.

Posted by: dennis | October 4, 2007 2:04 AM

i love hockey its a real sport like soccer

Posted by: erick | October 4, 2007 7:46 AM

I think NHL hockey is one of the best sports in terms of translating to a video game. Baseball and basketball video games are incredibly boring IMHO.

The Stanley Cup trophy, the presentation ceremony, the winners skating the Cup and then getting to spend a day with it in the offseason. No other sport can equal this.

Posted by: SM | October 4, 2007 9:21 AM

I passed on Redskins season tickets when my name came up this year so that I could continue with my Caps season tickets. I'd rather watch 19 guys go out there and play their hearts out than see 53 loaf around and complain that they don't get the damn ball enough.

Hockey players are the greatest athletes--and people--in sports. That's why I love hockey.

Posted by: Chris W | October 4, 2007 9:36 AM

Seriously, what could you do with the Lombardi Trophy. How about the World Series trophy, I'd be afraid of poking an eye out. How about the NBA trophy. The World Cup, well maybe, hmmm....

My point is that the Stanley Cup is a cup, you can drink out of it. As well, babies have been washed in it, the trophy has ridden in the passenger seat of cars like a person and it's dined with some of the world's elite. The cup has a personality because there is only one. The rest of the sports sprout a new one each year.

Posted by: Trophy Man | October 4, 2007 9:46 AM

Several posters have already mentioned this but it is absolute falsehood to claim that "nobody likes hockey" as the Post constantly does. First of all, if you look at the NHL's attendance and viewership figures for all of North America (similar to how movie receipts are calculated) instead of just the US the NHL CRUSHES the NBA in popularity. It isnt even close. Secondly, even taking the Canadian markets out of the equation, NHL teams are STILL more popular (in terms of average attendance and TV viewership) than their NBA counterparts in Philadelphia, New York, Denver, Dallas, Minnesota, and SF/ SJ/ Oak... and basically equal to their NBA counterparts in Detroit and Boston. That's a pretty impressive list of markets.

Posted by: the NHL IS popular.... | October 4, 2007 9:47 AM

I love watching hockey. It's a faster game than basketball and allows you to be more physical without cheating.

My favorite brand of hockey is Olympic. The larger ice and less offside lines leads to less clutching and grabbing. I also like how the referees will call a stricter game in Olympic, throwing people out for fighting for instance. If I want to watch a fight, Ill watch a boxing match. If I want to see some tough physical hockey, I want to see a nice check sending the opponent off his skates.

I grew up playing street hockey in this area. Now this area has many ice rinks. Kids are playing alot of blade hockey too. We are starting to produce talent and have some that have even made it to the NFL. No this isnt hockey town, but its becoming more hockey aware.

The NHL took a dip due to greed. They overexpanded diluting the talent pool. What also hurt the NHL was realignment. Many of the rivalries that had been established over the years were broken up from playing each other often. I remember how popular the Phili or Penguin games were with the Caps.

Additionally, NASCAR happened. It taken market share from all the sports. Same with Golf.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2007 10:50 AM

Phyllis, what a great comment. Where else, when they show the owner on the big screen, does the whole stadium or arena cheer?!

I told my wife two things she needed to know about me when we started dating. The first thing was that I love hockey. I love playing it, I love watching it (in person or on TV), and that will never go away, so she needed to "get" that. I can't play any more, but for me there is nothing like walking into a rink. I love the smell of the ice.

Everyone else has said what the game is like and I've made a few converts over the years. My wife, co-workers, even people I don't know who have used my season tickets (I give them away for free to people who don't know the game) have come to love the game through the experience.

Now, I just have to get my 4 year old to love it too.

We had a great hockey supporter a few years ago on Channel 4, God rest his soul. He was a major contributor to the success of hockey in the area and pushed hard to get the game reports on Sports In A Minute or at the end of the 11 o'clock news. If you report on it, the popularity will come.

Posted by: Robert | October 4, 2007 11:08 AM

Oh, I forgot to add, there is a new Ballston complex that was missed in the general ice rink accounting above. And every time new sheets are built, the leagues snap up the ice times.

Posted by: Robert | October 4, 2007 11:12 AM

Good to see hockey is alive and well amongst the mass of posters here. We need more like all of you posting and taking an interest in hockey.

Here in Canada, well, you're born with a hockey stick in your hand, but we need America on the bangwagon with us, to grow the sports popularity and show the country what a great game it is.

Keep up the good work fellas!

Posted by: Dan | October 4, 2007 11:30 AM

I love hockey for the obvious reasons and am not bothered if the masses prefer Newport Harbor... Well kind of

Posted by: Steve | October 4, 2007 11:43 AM

Another Canadian here, enjoying reading the comments from some of your local fans.

We're aways lead to believe that the majority of Americans just don't "get" the sport or appreciate why those of us who live north of the border sit glued to our televisions sets every Saturday night. It's great to see that we're being -- at least partially -- mislead, and that there really *are* people down south who are as enamored with the game as we are. Hopefully, in time, your media will catch up with your enthusiasm and begin to cater to it a little more.

What do I love about the game? The speed. The split-second instinctive decision making that is the tightrope walked simultaneously by every player on the the ice. The sheer force of will required to go out there every shift and compete at the level necessary to remain in the league. The playmaking, the physical pounding, the shot blocking, the spectacular saves, the wear-your-heart-on-your-sleeve attitude of all great competitors. The passion. The tradition. The sheer euphoria of seeing 23 grown men crying like babies when they finally get to hoist that Stanley Cup after months of all-out war on the ice.

If hockey doesn't stir up some adrenaline, even watching it on TV, you aren't alive.

Posted by: Chris | October 4, 2007 12:36 PM

hockey is a great sport. fast. rough. poetry in motion. all these things have been said though. i used to be a caps season ticket holder, but the blundering owners have made some big mistakes in my opinion...many of them are listed above. also, the price of the tickets has gotten out of control. of course it's nowhere close to the megalomaniac's prices at fedex, but still... i'll continue to support the caps from home, where i no longer support the NFL. 4 hours for 12 minutes of playing time??? 12 minutes! hockey and football (soccer) all the way.

Posted by: slickwil | October 4, 2007 12:54 PM

I like that the NHL is aired on OLN because it means I never have to see it and it never gets airtime over good sports.

Posted by: Nick | October 4, 2007 1:10 PM

Hey Nick -

OLN has been known as Versus for over a year now. Did you call it OLN to be cute or are you really a moron? I'm thinking the latter since you didnt bother to address any of the qualities that a thinking fan would instantly recognize as things that make hockey great, but rather just expressed your irrelevant gratitude that it doesnt distract you from your quality couch potato time watching the "good sports". Clown.

Posted by: nicky..... | October 4, 2007 1:42 PM

Nothing beats playoff hockey!

Posted by: Steve in Jersey | October 4, 2007 3:02 PM

I love the NHL for the speed, the grace, the toughness, stamina, beauty, and the skill. Hockey players have the speed, grace, and toughness of a football player, they have the eye to hand skill of baseball players, and they have the stamina of a soccer player. I'm a season ticket holder with the Capitals and I buy the NHL Center Ice package every year. I watch a lot of hockey and I love it. The games themsevles are quick and stoppage time is short. That is one thing I've never understood about football. How does a game that is 60 minutes take 4 hours?
I also don't understand where the negativity comes from in regards to the NHL, why is it so hated? I'd like someone to explain to me why they don't like hockey as a sport to watch. Forget all the politics of it, why as a sport do people in this country hate it?
I've watched all the other major sports on television and have been to most in person, in my opinion no other sport comes close to hockey in excitement level.
I find football, basketball, and NASCAR to be the most boring sports either live or on TV. I personally can't stand them. I do enjoy playoff baseball and I love to watch tennis and soccer.
Playoff hockey is the most excting time in sports, period. The Stanley Cup is the hardest trophy to win in all professional sports. I just love it.

Posted by: hockeyfan | October 4, 2007 4:19 PM

Greatest sport in the world. The atheletes are all about heart and desire. W/O a doubt, it takes more athletic skill to be a hockey player than any other sport. Most hockey players are classy, friendly and courteous to fans and media. All of the atheletes in hockey are not perfect however, you never read about hockey playes involved in shootings or dog fighting or having a ridiculous number of babies out of wedlock.

Candidly, I have always been happy that hockey is a niche sport and has more of a cult following. Look at NFL footballs fans and the neanderthals such as Philly Eagles fans which follow that sport. As a hockey fan who has been to almost a dozen other venues, I have never had a problem with other fans - and I wear my teams jersey all the time. The fans are even classier. If you wore a Dallas Cowbors jersey in Phila, you would have you head handed to you.

Posted by: Dan | October 4, 2007 7:44 PM

The great thing about hockey is that it really requires no attention or angst. Football and baseball, I waste beautiful afternoons sitting in front of the TV, sometimes invinting friends over and turning it into a group event. Hockey? Well, it really gives me a reason to paint that bathroom I've been putting off...

Posted by: Jas | October 4, 2007 8:16 PM

The little flame that comes off the puck that creates a stink:)

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2007 4:30 AM

Since the Post employee who posted the condescending, snide question that started this discussion claimed to enjoy attending hockey games "(as long as I don't have to pay for the ticket. After all, I'm not making Jagr money here)," it should be added that Caps' tickets are actually not particularly expensive, and corner seats in the upper level in the first few rows--where the view is excellent, and one can watch the play unfold better than in the lower-level--are some of the best deals in professional sports (under $20 per seat for STHs).

Posted by: Jim | October 5, 2007 6:01 AM

I like that hockey is infinitely more interesting than soccer among the minor sports.

Posted by: Kevin | October 5, 2007 6:18 AM

Perhaps the reason why people attack hockey is because it isn't a sport that everyone can participate in. Most any klutz can throw a football around at a tailgate; how many can go on the ice and stay upright, let alone carry a puck up-ice and shoot on goal? Perhaps the intelligence required to understand hockey is too much for some folks, thus the open hostility?

Hockey really is a passionate sport--once you go to a few games, you get hooked. And for our Canuck bretheren--there are fans down here that match your passion for the game. I've been moved to tears watching a Ray Bourque or Dave Andreychuk lift the Cup. Once you understand the sacrifice and the pain these guys go through in order to lift the Cup, some overpaid murderer-linebacker (see: Ray Lewis) lifting a silver football showing little emotion seems sort of hollow.

Posted by: Chris W. | October 5, 2007 9:10 AM

1. The offseason.
2. Anticipating Gary Bettman's departure.

Hockey lost me with the lockout. And the game no longer resembles the game I grew to love in the 60s and 70s. Screw em. The owners sold their soul, and the game, to be like the NBA. Well, they're not, and the game's some version of Euro hockey that, if it were all that, they'd broadcast from Europe. The owners have their salary cap and their guaranteed profit, excuse me if I care not to add to it.

Posted by: RL | October 5, 2007 9:11 AM

Like most people I like the speed, the clean hitting and the non-stop action. But in addition, I like the NHL because hockey players are a different breed of professional athlete. They are congenial, friendly and do not think they are gods like players in other sports. In the past, during the off season, I have been at pick up sessions at local rinks when a couple of Caps have shown up. They are just like one of the guys. They are not cocky or arrogant, just guys.

Posted by: Kurt Cannon | October 5, 2007 9:30 AM

Hockey's a good as ever. Season's a month too long, but other than that, goals are up, speed is up and skill is at an all time high.

Buffalo had 13,000 OUTSIDE the rink for the Ottawa games. Clearly the naysayers are either a)not hockey fans and never will be or b) in a losing city - think Boston.

Let's go Caps!

Posted by: Bob | October 5, 2007 9:50 AM

The passion. Most people fail to appreciate what hockey has to offer. The skill, precision, and intensity is unmatched. Those same folks say "it's slow, boring, low scoring," etc.

In what other sport will you find a player to return after an injury such as taking a frozen piece of rubber to the face? Sports in the present consist of injuries such as blisters, hangnails, and bruised egos. Chris Clark took a puck to his open mouth last season which smashed his palate, in two days, he was back on the ice with a cadavers palate.

The determination and will of Hockey players is unmatched, and unfortunately for the media and citizens surrounding the Washington area, people don't care enough to watch the fluidity and spectacular flow of one of the more beautiful games on the planet.

Posted by: Marc Ayres | October 5, 2007 10:11 AM

The sport could go away tomorrow and my life would not change one bit.

Posted by: Darryl | October 5, 2007 12:38 PM

What a sad life you must lead :-(.

Have you been reading about the womens soccer team? They are doing the same thing as hockey players when it comes to head injuries. They just staple them up on the sidelines and put them back in the game.

But nothing beats hockey for the speed and instantaneous reactions. (I can't vouch for Jai Alai, since I've never seen it played)

Posted by: Robert | October 5, 2007 2:35 PM

The only way that the NHL is going to grow is by growing youth Hockey. Hockey is a very exclusive sport in the fact that it costs lots of $$ to play youth level hockey. Build more rinks with the communities invloved and hockey will grow.

Posted by: Jeff | October 5, 2007 3:07 PM

Nothing, hockey is dead to me

Posted by: Dave | October 5, 2007 4:06 PM

On their off day, Ovechkin and Semin drove up together to watch the Caps play Philly in a preseason game; and Donald Brashear worked on a construction site this summer. 'Nuff said. Hockey has yet to be devoured by American capitalism. Perhaps it's a blessing that it's no longer considered a top tier sport and worthy of ESPN coverage. It has the innocence of 1940s and 50s baseball.

Posted by: Matt | October 5, 2007 6:04 PM

The best thing about hockey is the people that play/played it. I really don't care that people who have never played make an effort to say its a 3rd rate sport. It's not my fault you can't skate.

I've played all my life, and the great times hangin out in a locker room with a bunch of friends is the best part.

Posted by: Rob | October 8, 2007 1:12 PM

One of the best spectator sports around, whether it is NCAA, AHL, or NHL. That said, if you can't put in the basic effort to learn a few rules then don't bother trying to watch, it won't be fun for you.

Posted by: Matt | October 8, 2007 10:29 PM

The problem with hockey is that it is basically soccer on ice + fighting. Like auto racing the only thing that keeps it from being totally boring is the fighting. That, and the occasional goal, which is often hard to follow unless you see it on instant replay

Posted by: Gary | October 8, 2007 11:16 PM

The game is so exciting and dynamic. I have NEVER met a person who went to a live hockey game that didn't enjoy it. Never.

The majority of people that mouth off about hockey know nothing about the sport and have never even given it a chance. There loss, honestly.

Hockey is comprised of the most intelligent fans. The average hockey fan knows their sport far better than the average basketball or football fan.

The game is a combination of skill, brutality, speed, intelligence, passion, leadership, and so much more.

In my opinion, if you don't even try the sport out and go see a game, you shouldn't bother to form an opinion on the game, because you flat out have no idea what you are talking about or what you are missing.

I have seen pro football, soccer, basketball, and baseball games (including intense playoff battles). None have come close to the excitement at a hockey game.

Posted by: Andy | October 9, 2007 8:53 AM


pardon the typo

Posted by: Andy | October 9, 2007 8:54 AM

I've played pick-up hockey with several Caps who decided just to go out and skate. Nobody realized who they were until one of us was crosschecked in front of the goal (me) and recognized the guy.

Dare I ever see a basketball player just drop into a game or a baseball player pick up a glove and ball and play with some kids (unless they are getting paid to do so) or a football player join a tailgate game in the parking lot.

Hockey players remember what it's like to be a kid and have fun. Football, baseball and basketball players are more concerned with their next contract, their shoes and who is going to give them a car.

Take a poll about the friendliest athletes in sports and you will find hockey players rate at the top for their accessibilty and interaction.

Posted by: Harry J. | October 11, 2007 2:17 PM

The Ballston rink and Kettler are the same facility but it's true that the number of rinks has grown in the area and it's true that the leagues snap up the ice time. Why? Because there's a lot of people who want to play at those rinks. Look at Kettler for example. I've heard people say they have the highest league fees, yet have 6 adult leagues going. Not too shabby for only being open a year. The only time to expand is into the wee hours on the morning now. Kettler is even running a pair of their own youth house leagues in addition to the travel teams that play there.

The basic problem is that people who don't know how to skate are going to put down the sport because of their own ignorance because of the "it's never my fault" mentality.

My favorite was listening to the guy spout for 45 minutes about how hockey players are dumb and aren't real athletes. I then challenged him to skate around a rink with me, winner buys the loser tickets to the Lightning game that night or Buccaneers game the next weekend. I lace up the rentals and didn't even step on the ice when I turn around to see the loud mouth on his back saying, "alright, two tickets is it?". Last I heard, he's a season ticket holder for the Bolts, 4 tickets!

Instead of putting a sport down, try it. Walk in the other mans shoes, or skates as the case may be. Try it out. You will get an appreciation for how hard the game is and what it takes to play.

Posted by: Jarrod | October 11, 2007 2:30 PM

Harry J

Gilbert Arenas has played in the Barry Farms league every summer for several years. I understand if you did not know that because Barry Farms is a world away from most NHL fans I see in DC. I guess hockey fans are not NBA fans, quick to call NBA players thugs (which is laughable compared to NHL players) and assume they are too self absorbed to be capable of being around regular people in a pick up league or game. You need to research before you post about things you dont know. Stick with the NHL, dont comment about the NBA until you learn to keep up. Stop assuming.

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