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The audacity of voters

By Tom Toles

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Mood ring

I guess this is the mood of the electorate this year, as far as I can tell.

-We are fine with the trend of an ever-greater share of the American economy going to the very richest people. We like a tax policy that encourages this trend. We don't feel that power follows wealth and so do not fear any negative consequences from this.

-We oppose any actually workable plans to rationalize the health care system in this country and feel that the long trends of ever-increasing costs for ever-shrinking coverage will fix themselves.

-We prefer more religion in government and schools and less science, and we feel this will lead to good outcomes.

-An opinion that climate science is wrong will make it be wrong.

-Deficits didn't matter before, but now they are all we can think about.

-We blame President Obama for the bad economy, but anything he does about it can only make things worse and make us blame him even more.

-We like Republicans even less than Democrats but plan to elect them in a landslide, and that this will improve things.

Did I miss anything? --Tom Toles

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Instead of personal opinions lets deal with a few facts:

Deficit:

Jan 01- Deficit 5.5 trillion
Jan 09- Deficit 11.5 trillion (Doubled in 8 years)

Jobs created:

Clinton without the benefit of the tax cut created 23 million jobs.

Bush WITH his tax cut created 3.8 million jobs.

So this show that the GOP mantra of the Bush tax cuts created jobs is BS. If they did create jobs like the GOP claims then we wouldnt have high unemployment like we do now. Or we wouldnt have lost 4 million jobs in 08 alone again WITH the Bush tax cuts. So are any of you sheep still in line with the GOP? Or are you still going to fabricate the numbers?

Posted by: rharring | September 13, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The American people have learned that dramatically expanding government spending and activism are not the answer. The American people have learned that more people are in poverty today than were in poverty when Obama took office. The American people have learned that under Obamacare more and more control of their healthcare decisions are going to be ceded to the government colossus. The American people have learned that increasing government mandates and demands on small business stunt job creation and an otherwise robust economic recovery.

Posted by: JM80 | September 12, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Businesses do not, if they can help it, produce goods they cannot sell. It isn't a good use of capital to produce goods for which there is no demand.

But maybe, if we throw enough tax dollars (or borrowed dollars) at the owners, the laws of economics will bend and then reverse themselves, and businesses will start hiring like crazy to produce goods for which there is no demand. Maybe, if we throw enough dollars at the owners, they will double their staffs.

Maybe restaurants will hire more servers to serve the same amount of food. Maybe manufacturers will hire more people and buy more machines to make the same amount of goods. Maybe farmers will hire more hands to pick the same number of crops.

Maybe it's not such a good idea after all.

By the way, it isn't the American worker who took American jobs overseas. My question is, why does the U.S. government continue to give tax breaks to companies who take jobs overseas? Seems to me that the rule should be, "Relocated overseas? Fine. You are now a foreign company and will pay import duties just like any other foreign company. Subsidiary? That's fine, but you still get treated like any other foreign company. You want to get treated as an American company? Stay on America soil and hire American workers."
No exceptions. Get this clear: The American taxpayer does not subsidize foreign companies.

Maybe someday...

Posted by: jonroesler | September 9, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I think that the cartoon would have been more accurate if it had the Democrat Donkey on the other side of the voter saying "I haven't either! Come back!"

Face it guys, we're all screwed.

Posted by: wlpuck | September 8, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

No Tom,
As best I can see, not a thing. It's a graphic presentation of the old H. L. Mencken saying that "Democracy is a system that says the common man knows what he wants and deserves to get it good and hard." This is one of the best I've seen for depicting the "mood" of our country. We are "wishing upon a star," but will find it to be a meteorite. O well.
Tom Cannon
Savannah, GA

Posted by: tcannon1 | September 8, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I'd add one more:

"Republicans insist that government is the problem. And they prove it every time we elect them!"

Posted by: chrisfrenzy | September 8, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Well, you know who had some ideas that REALLY REALLY worked? Got their economy surging in no time? That's right, The Good Ol' Nazis.

Now, surely you're not suggesting...

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 7, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

You forgot the part about liberal ideas don't really work, even though it does certainly seem like they should. That must be very frustrating for you!

I certainly wish the WaPo would get a new cartoonist, the present one is a waste of space.

Posted by: dhartmanva | September 7, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

When I opened the paper this morning and saw this cartoon, I knew it was a golden one. Good to see others think so as well.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | September 7, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Canoe,

How about this...
1. Don't tell me what to do.
2. I won't tell you what to do.
3. You don't have to pay for me.
4. I don't have to pay for you.

Duh... Pretty simple.

Posted by: KJMac44 | September 7, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Canoe,

How about this...
1. Don't tell me what to do.
2. I won't tell you what to do.
3. You don't have to pay for me.
4. I don't have to pay for you.

Duh... Pretty simple.

Posted by: KJMac44 | September 7, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The Republican voters are energized by the tea party rallies and that they stand for the party of NO. The Democrat voters are very disappointed by Obama's drastic compromise of every important issue so far. So we have entusiastic Republicans on one side and disenchanted Democrats on the other. The Democrat Party have also allowed the Republicans to define their own candidates. Volume trumps the facts once again.

Posted by: alexnyc8 | September 7, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

EVERY Republican position and policy boils down to (1) "I want to make me and my ilk richer at the expense of people not like me" or (2) "I want to tell YOU what to do, but don't you tell ME what to do."

Posted by: bluecanoe | September 7, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, we learned that repeating the econ policy of FDR has lead to the same dismal results.

Actually, most knew this, including Obama. But, doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. That's Obama & Co.

Posted by: illogicbuster | September 7, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Tom,

Amazing again. You really captured it. I don't get it either. Apparently we are not watching the right television "News."

Miss Anything?

Nope. I think you basically nailed it... Like the proverbial coffin.

The good news is... Well, that everyone is stupid? I mean, if we could only harness that void of intellect, we could probably get people to buy all sorts of plastic junk made in China. That way, they would shop themselves out of jobs, weaken the US position globally, strengthen China, and have no hope for a brighter future.

If we could get them to buy fancier stuff based on credit, I mean, the sky is the limit! Financial Smorgasbord! They could actually destroy their own standard of living, the educational system, their financial system, and we could get them to fund the recovery... just for us, of course.

THEN, we could tell them Obama did it, which of course, they'd believe. After all, they're not the brightest!

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 7, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Tom,

Your mood ring captured my mood perfectly. Can't wait till November 4th when we begin regime change.

Posted by: KJMac44 | September 7, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I hope the younger voters don't sleep through this election because the old curmudgeon "I got mine vote" will bury the next few generations in debt to benefit the super rich. It's an assault on government and society by the greed is good crowd.....

Posted by: theobserver4 | September 7, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Goodness, TT; that cartoon of yours was nice, but it sure didn’t produce the same degree of heat that your rather-fine blog did. I’m beginning to think that voters are so worn out from the insidious haranguing from the right-wing media entrepreneurs that what we have now is a serioius case of emotional kidnapping. ('No need to create a list of their names, again: any moderate knows how they thrive on notoriety, both in terms of acquiring bucks and fueling that on-air and on-screen arrogance. We all know their various identities; they're so like the parasitic worms and anaerobes who feed on the brains and hearts and guts of the dead.). Once their “work” is done and appetites assuaged for the moment, there’s nothing left among the victims with which to feel, to reason, or to act courageously. (Remember Invasion Of The Body Snatchers? With Leonard Nimoy and Donald Sutherland? ) Anyway, it’s an emptiness a bit like the “Stockholm Effect,” where hostages become so immune to the hardship of being imprisoned and the indecencies foisted upon them from their kidnappers, that they grow to view these creatures more like guardians or protectors, rather than as the scum that they actually are. And we thought that the Body Snatchers would come to get us from another planet -- silly movie.

Posted by: dudeupnorth | September 7, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry janet8. Most of your arguements don't hold water. Throughout the Bush years what did all the tax cuts get us? Where did they lead? To job creation? Exactly the opposite.

You didn't address endless war...

How about the environment? Still want to "drill baby drill"? Still in that "no such thing as global warming" camp? I suppose if you choose to disbeieve rigorous science, then there's nothing I can say to convince you. But...if that's the case...I'd advise not taking your kids to the doctor next time they're sick. It's the same scientific method used in the medical field that is used in atmospheric sciences.

As for Fanny/Freddie, conservatives love to make this arguement. Blame it all on two quasi-government agencies. Right. Never mind all the deregulation (or simple lack of regulation) on derivitives. Fanny and Freddy were not responsible for uncontrolled, unregulated greed on Wall Street. We have deregulation to thank for that.

You failed to convince me that Bush/Cheney policies are worth returning to. Try again.

Posted by: PrairieDog60 | September 7, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Did it ever occur to anyone that the egg recall for salmonella seemed odd since we all know eggs and chickens should be thoroughly cooked to kill the salmonella virus? Soon we'll be told to buy pasteurized eggs which are actually radiated eggs.

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Yikes! What could possibly be the motivation for such a conspiracy? Also, salmonella is classified as a bacteria.

Posted by: Kevin71707 | September 7, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"Did I miss anything?"

Well, here is something I think you may have missed:

We do not want to teach our teenagers about or give them easy access to birth control, and we certainly do not want them to have abortions. If they do end up becoming single teenage parents, we do not want to give them any welfare assistance, because they are obviously just lazy people who do not want to work. And we definitely do not want to pay taxes to educate their children (or provide them with birth control).

Posted by: KitRobinson | September 7, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

jhnnywalkr, either you don't vote or you don't read, because in the column next to the name you check off on your ballot, it says: Republican.
Spare me all the "independents" too ashamed to admit their republican party is run by idiots.

Posted by: karenfink | September 7, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I've never voted Republican in my life. I have many complaints about the Democratic party but they are miles better than the Republican alternative of living in some unreality of tax cuts that pay for themselves, and industries that regulate themselves.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | September 7, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"Deficit - Obama's spending spree has tripled Bush's deficit. Oh and people forget that for the past four years the Democrats have controlled Congress."

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Fiscal year 2010 is the first budget year under the Obama Administration. (For the record, that's THIS YEAR.) It ends in three weeks. Sometime after that, the final deficit numbers will come out.

So, you are citing statistics based on data that does not exist.

But I don't need to tell you that, because you already know everything, having researched it yourself.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 7, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

jhnnywalkr, either you don't vote or you don't read, because in the column next to the name you check off on your ballot, it says: Republican.
Spare me all the "independents" too ashamed to admit their republican party is run by idiots.

Posted by: karenfink | September 7, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

What we have learned:

-- Tax Cuts for the wealthiest Americans failed to produce a net gain of jobs causing the period between 1999 and 2009 to be the first decade since the Great Depression to be a "lost employment" decade.

-- If the Tax Cuts were successful by any stretch of the imagination then why did the economy faulter in 2007? Why did it plunge in 2008? and why did it take a $700 billion cash injection to force it to recover in 2009?

-- The Enron collapse in 2004 and Ameriquest collapse in 2006 after deregulation by the GOP was a prelude to the massive bank failure in 2008.

-- If it wasn't for the swift action by President Bush over his Republican counterparts wishes, we would be in a deep and lasting great depression with no end in sight.

-- If it wasn't for the swift action of President Obama and Elizabeth Warren, we never would have gotten the $800 billion from the TARP fund back (with interest).

-- The Obama Stimulus stabilized the market and created or saved between 1.5 and 3.3 million jobs; half what President Bush and the GOP created from 2002 to 2009 but which pales in comparsion to the 8-9 million we lost in 2008 when Bush and the GOP controlled the White House and Senate.

-- Between 2003 and 2009 the national deficit went from $3 trillion to over $10 trillion as a result of unpaid tax cuts and borrowed money used to fund to two unsuccessful wars.

-- In the 20 months since the Democrats have seized both houses of Congress and the White House: the auto industry has been saved, the banking industry has been saved, the housing industry has been saved, affordable health care has been provided for all, combat missions in Iraq have ended, good will towards America has shot through the roof, a credit card bill of rights has been signed, the equal pay act has been passed, and demand for foreign oil has dropped by 30% as the production of fuel effiecient automobiles and batteries for these cars has nearly tripled thanks to the Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

Did I miss anything?

Posted by: regenx24 | September 7, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

OK, let's see - Aggregate demand is the lowering of taxes to raise disposable income thereby increasing the GNP to which two/thirds of consumer spending is attributable. Reducing taxes increases consumer demand which in turn creates jobs.
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Consumers are dealing with stagnant wages and higher prices and an enstable work environment, far more unstable, I might add, than other countries who have had larger percentages of hits to their GNP. Allowing them to keep a couple hundred extra bucks--maybe--isn't going to put a dent in consumer spending, and even if it did, what are they going to buy, some TV made in China? How does this improve things long term, or even short term, really? Hiring boom at Best Buy?
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With our economy teetering due to the bailouts (under Bush and Obama), Democrats spending record amounts of borrowed money and the business sector sitting on $1 trillion dollars afraid to invest, having these taxcuts expire will exascerbate the situation and be further detrimental to our economy.
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Big business is sitting on the money they have now for this very reason. They aren't scared or uncertain, they're holding out hoping the government blinks and extends the tax cuts.
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Remember the luxury tax some year ago, what happened? The boating industry and other luxury driven businesses suffered greatly which equals job losses and revenue.
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Truly, the yacht-building industry took a heavy blow then. Many family yacht manufacturing businesses faced some real hard times. Wow. Talk about a niche example.
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And I just read today where Obama's former Budget Director Orzsag says that the tax cuts should be extended, even for the rich.
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For two years, which according to the fear-mongerers wouldn't improve "uncertainty" for investors, only prolong it and kick the decision down the road till...well what do you know there's an election then!
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As for deregulation and financial collapse, it was Frank, Dodd and the Democrats who caused the Fannie/Freddie mortgage collapse, resulting in the 2008 bailouts.

In 2006, McCain introduced legislation to rein in and have more oversight over Fannie/Freddie and the mortgage industry. I watched the Frank hearings where the Democrats said Fannie and Freddie were doing well, when in fact they weren't. You can watch the hearing on youtube. McCain's legislation never made it out of committee.

I think the Republicans are the lesser of the two evils. The Democrats have lost my trust.
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If you think McCain is at all representative of the Republican party, then I am sorry. As for the Fannie and Freddie stuff, that's when the bubble was big and everybody thought everything was just dandy. They no more "caused" the collapse than the rest of this country who thought there was no downside that would ever come and things would just go up and up and up forever. Same thing happens in every boomtime.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | September 7, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse


Where do you GO, to put a garland on Toles.

TO THANK TOLES!
This is the most right on statement I've seen for years.
Sometimes it seems there's no sense left...and particularly not in the WaPo....

who, like the rest of the zionists want America brought down til Israel gets what it wants....settlements and a free reign.

Posted by: whistling | September 7, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

PrairieDog60 wrote:

"I've asked this question many places as well, and have yet to get a decent answer. What are you folks (Republicans) going to do differently? How have tax cuts for the rich helped our country?"

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OK, let's see - Aggregate demand is the lowering of taxes to raise disposable income thereby increasing the GNP to which two/thirds of consumer spending is attributable. Reducing taxes increases consumer demand which in turn creates jobs.

With our economy teetering due to the bailouts (under Bush and Obama), Democrats spending record amounts of borrowed money and the business sector sitting on $1 trillion dollars afraid to invest, having these taxcuts expire will exascerbate the situation and be further detrimental to our economy.

Remember the luxury tax some year ago, what happened? The boating industry and other luxury driven businesses suffered greatly which equals job losses and revenue.

And I just read today where Obama's former Budget Director Orzsag says that the tax cuts should be extended, even for the rich.

As for deregulation and financial collapse, it was Frank, Dodd and the Democrats who caused the Fannie/Freddie mortgage collapse, resulting in the 2008 bailouts.

In 2006, McCain introduced legislation to rein in and have more oversight over Fannie/Freddie and the mortgage industry. I watched the Frank hearings where the Democrats said Fannie and Freddie were doing well, when in fact they weren't. You can watch the hearing on youtube. McCain's legislation never made it out of committee.

I think the Republicans are the lesser of the two evils. The Democrats have lost my trust.


Posted by: janet8 | September 7, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Apparently I'm a Republican. Wow. I've never been accused of that. Oh well.
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Did it ever occur to anyone that the egg recall for salmonella seemed odd since we all know eggs and chickens should be thoroughly cooked to kill the salmonella virus?
Posted by: janet8 | September 7, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse
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Does it seem odd to you that salmonella has been eliminated from poultry and eggs without radiation but with vaccination of chickens, which is resisted in this country by the egg and poultry industry as too expensive and onerous regulation?

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | September 7, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Did I miss anything?

A frozen fetus is sacred until it is flushed down the sink. After that it is simply a waste disposal issue.

Posted by: sherm1 | September 7, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

The GOP followers commenting on this site, Janet8, Rohit57, jhnnywalkr, godfather_of_goals, are probably getting up in years, 50+, at least. Half of all republicans are over 58. Their world is going away. The world that is replacing it, isn't anti-gay, thinks socialism isn't a boogy man and is as multicultural as our president.
Young people don't vote in great numbers in mid-terms, sad to say. However, everyday these Americans grow older, and become more likely to exercise their political power. And young people think in large numbers that the tea party people are crazy. Remember the Sixties rioting and bomb throwing, the "william ayres", if you like, that disgraced democrats. Now, the shoe is on the other foot, and it is the conservatives who embrace the glenn becks, the palins, the gun nuts, and the town hall shouters. The right wing is Kryptonite to anyone who won't be wearing "depends" in ten years. The old like the GOP, the young like Obama.

Posted by: karenfink | September 7, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Hard to believe so many people can be duped into voting against their interests. The investor class is laughing all the way to the bank.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | September 7, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Janet8, I don't know anything about the media you actually are citing, but I will say that just because it's from another country doesn't mean it's any less "mainstream" nor does it mean it's not owned by the same companies or people or at least the same type of companies and people as own the media here, and the idea that even our MSM is "liberal" is laughable, but you have yet to address the real crux of my argument: What is this far-left agenda the Democrats have put forward?

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | September 7, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I can not imagine what would have happened if McCain/Palin had won. Wonder what the Republican Party would be shouting? Somehow it would still Obama's fault.

Posted by: vacarollm | September 7, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

dre7861, good post.

I've asked this question many places as well, and have yet to get a decent answer. What are you folks (Republicans) going to do differently? How have tax cuts for the rich helped our country? How about wars of aggression? Deregulation? Huge spending (yes, Republicans, when in charge, spend just as much if not more than Democrats), etc. How have these Republican ideas and implemented policies helped our nation?

Okay, so maybe you think these policies are good for our nation. Can you demonstrate how? Please...an example or two would be welcomed.

Perhaps you don't think Republicans believe in these things. If that's the case, then you're simply not paying attention.

Perhaps you think this time will be different, that Republicans, if elected, will do things differently. Please, again, show me some proof. Show me where they have "different" or "new" ideas.

I await someone, ANYONE, who can sell the Republicans to me as having the right answers. If they truly DO have new and great ideas for a better country/world/society, I'd be glad to vote for them. But I will NOT vote for more tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations, I will NOT vote for turning a blind eye to the state of our natural world, I will NOT vote for more pre-emptive war (Iran, anyone?), and I will NOT vote for more deregulation leading to financial collapses and giant oil spills.

Democrats are not doing the best job there is, but I know that at least some of them have the right ideas and are really trying to do something about them. I haven't found any Republicans for which I can say the same thing.

Posted by: PrairieDog60 | September 7, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Janet8, I guess from the nonsense you are posting that any school you have graduated from or will maybe graduate from is an example of our poor educational system. Amazing, just amazing.

Posted by: Falmouth1 | September 7, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

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I write the truth.

Instead of countering my posts, you attempt to belittle me. Oh well, suit yourself.

Posted by: janet8 | September 7, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Janet8, I guess from the nonsense you are posting that any school you have graduated from or will maybe graduate from is an example of our poor educational system. Amazing, just amazing.

Posted by: Falmouth1 | September 7, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Interesting cartoon ... Change the elephant to Obama, the year to 2008, and the elephant's words to something including "change" and ... it's a "Daily Double!!!"

Unfortunately voter choice is severely limited by our two party system, when neither one produces the candidates we want, and need.

Posted by: DaveM-Peoria | September 7, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse


"That you think that anything the Democratic party has done or has even suggested could even come close to being considered "far left" speaks volumes for whatever "non-MSM" you have been listening to."

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | September 7, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

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I don't listen to anyone, I check things out for myself.

I go worldwide for information on what is really happening in the US.

For instance, I had to go to an Australian news site to find out about the US' input to al-Megrahi being released from prison to Libya. It was days later when it was reported elsewhere and played-down by the liberal MSM sites.

Another example is an article on this site today about the gene-altered salmon. I read the article, then did some research and found a business bio on the company who is awaiting FDA approval, which is being conducted behind closed doors to "protect confidentiality." Although independent researchers want to do an analysis for safety concerns.

The bio reports that this company was formed for R&D on cryopreservative and gene-altering antifreeze. Which includes acu-salmon.

I have a couple of questions - Isn't public safety scrutiny an important factor also? Do I trust the FDA? No. Too many times their approvals have to be rescinded due to health problems and even death.

Did it ever occur to anyone that the egg recall for salmonella seemed odd since we all know eggs and chickens should be thoroughly cooked to kill the salmonella virus? Soon we'll be told to buy pasteurized eggs which are actually radiated eggs.

As far as the view if you repeat history, you will repeat the same mistakes. Throwing good money (in this case newly printed money) after bad only makes things worse.

If it weren't for Americans balking at Obama's policies to date, and the low poll numbers, I have not doubt Obama and the Democrats would be further along in implementing their far-left agenda.

Posted by: janet8 | September 7, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Your cartoon sums up the moment quite wisely. The only thing I would change is the voter's head. Instead of a human head, it should be a television with FOX "news" playing. So many people are being brainwashed by this network's politically motivated distortion of the news. It's so easy to forget which administration created this mess and get angry with the group responsible for the unpleasant cleanup.

FWIW, I am an independent, supporting those who will lead our country with wisdow and integrity. My votes are not based on political party.

Posted by: tiara123 | September 7, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Your cartoon sums up the moment quite wisely. The only thing I would change is the voter's head. Instead of a human head, it should be a television with FOX "news" playing. So many people are being brainwashed by this network's politically motivated distortion of the news. It's so easy to forget which administration created this mess and get angry with the group responsible for the unpleasant cleanup.

FWIW, I am an independent, supporting those who will lead our country with wisdow and integrity. My votes are not based on political party.

Posted by: tiara123 | September 7, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

rohit57 writes: "If the Democrats had produced a great economy, they might be forgiven for their arrogance. But they have not. They have spent a lot of our children's future and produced little."
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It took republicans 8 years to destroy the economy. It is the republicans who are responsible for the vast majority of this country's deficit, despite what they tell you on fox news (go find a real source of information). It will take more than 2 years to correct the disaster created by the conservative engorge-the-rich policies. Electing republicans will only slow down any progress.

Posted by: rramos01 | September 7, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I am an Independent who was formerly left-leaning. That was before I decided to become informed and not believe the MSM. I became awakened as to the transformation of the Democratic Party into a far-left progressive movement.


Posted by: janet8 | September 7, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

That you think that anything the Democratic party has done or has even suggested could even come close to being considered "far left" speaks volumes for whatever "non-MSM" you have been listening to.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | September 7, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Well done.

So many people focus on trends without actually commenting on them. To vote for the GOP back in is simply stupid because it's expecting a different outcome with the same players.

It's sad but true, the average voter has the memory of a goldfish. In a few years this trend will be reversed once more and so we can go through the same useless dance again and again while very little changes.

I said it before and I'll say it again. The Democrats and Republicans are not those most at fault for the current state of the country and the political system - those most at fault are simple voters who keep falling hook, line and sinker for the same tired BS again and again and again all the while expecting a different outcome.

Posted by: cjpotter19 | September 7, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

NOTE TO EDITOR: Your message is:

If you vote for Republicans your are STUPID! (or just a bigot)

Posted by: TECWRITE
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The classic definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Can you name just one thing that the GOP would do differently if they regain the House then they did when they controlled all the branches of government under Bush? Even the most moronic of child learns that putting your hand on the red hot coil of the stove is a bad thing

Posted by: dre7861 | September 7, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Tom you pretty much covered it all except for:

- You want perpetual investigation in the minutia revolving around Obama with special investigation committees and special prosecuters looking into Obama's birth certificate, ACORN, Black Panthers, Rizzo, Blago, Ayres, Wright, some overdue books at the Columbia University Library, FLOTUS-Dress-gate, Bo-Housebroken-gate, Sasha-A-Card-Carrying-Communist-gate, Beer-Summit-gate, Golf-gate, Vacation-gate, ad nauseum, ad infinity.

- Massive gridlock and government shutdowns just like in the good old days of 1990s.

Posted by: dre7861 | September 7, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Gosh! How much more of this Administration
and Congress can the American people
endure? Both parties are culpable in the
demise of this once great nation.
Just follow the money and you'll find the
rapacious corruption of the politician
in office. Nov. 2nd may place a few more
conservatives in office, but is that the
answer? You be the judge.
Are you paying attention?
Are you really paying attention?
Good luck, America.

Posted by: pophamsmith | September 7, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Obama's spending spree has tripled Bush's deficit."
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Here's one *I* missed. Apparently they're all dropping acid too, which explains the childlike automatic belief of anything they're told, as long as it comes from "one of them". Hippies, welcome back.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 7, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Do you suppose they're running their cars on the same gas that Ahmadinejad does?

Posted by: Tony-KS | September 7, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

You're a hack, Toles. How did you get this job?

Posted by: cfw730 | September 7, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse


Tax policy - We are currently witnessing what happens when tax cuts are about to expire. A downward spiralling economy. Businesses sitting on $1 trillion, apprehensive to make investments.

Health Care Reforms - The Health Care Reform bill is not a workable reform for this industry. Insurance companies are already increasing premiums preparing for increased taxes on health care insurance. 1099 Forms by businesses on sales of $600 or more. 3.8% Real Estate sales tax. Cutting $500 billion which includes cuts to Medicare Advantage program which will cut services to these retirees. Doctors are already not taking new Medicare patients. Increased enrollees to Medicaid which falls back to the state coffers which are already stressed. A "commission" which will not approve payments for certain cancer drugs. "We won't know what's in it until we pass it." Well we're finding out and it doesn't look good.

Religion & Science in Schools - There is no religion in schools including the banning of a moment of silence. This is not what our forefathers envisioned for our schools. Science is today downplayed in schools by liberals. Unless you consider that boondoggle global warming farce as part of science. I had actually believed we had global warming until I read those emails, then read documents of world-reknowned scientists who wrote of it's invalidity. When Obama, Duncan and Ayers were with the failed Annenberg Challenge, Chicago high schools screamed for funds for the expansion of their Math and Science programs, instead the money was funneled to the non-profits. The Challenge was a failure, Chicago schools did not improve. Duncan failed in Chicago as Superintendent and he will fail as Sec'y of Education.

Deficit - Obama's spending spree has tripled Bush's deficit. Oh and people forget that for the past four years the Democrats have controlled Congress.

Supporting GOP - The Republicans have been sent a clear message from the voters, that they must refrain from the spending of the 2001-2006 years. They know voters will hold their feet to the fire. 2012 isn't too far in the distant future. They realize this, finally.

I am an Independent who was formerly left-leaning. That was before I decided to become informed and not believe the MSM. I became awakened as to the transformation of the Democratic Party into a far-left progressive movement.

I never voted for Bush and was relieved when the Democrats took over Congress in 2006.

But as Walters says "Be careful what you wish for."


Posted by: janet8 | September 7, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"Did I miss anything?"
A few things, but I feel like you were just throwing things off the top of your head. Here's a few off the top of my head.
-Deficits matter now, but as a country we will vote to extend deficit busting tax cuts for the super rich.
-Obama has succeeded in doing many of the things he promised to do. Yet a large part of the electorate that voted for him to do those things no longer likes them.
-We bemoan the fact we are falling behind other countries in things like manufacturing and education, but anyone who talks about what it would take to regain our edge is punished for insufficient belief in American exceptionalism.
-We want clean air and clean water, yet we are going to vote into office people who believe in the same "personal responsibility" that failed to achieve either in the past
-We think Wall Street is running amok and is in need of a nanny, yet we will vote into office people who think the problem is TOO much regulation
-The American people want more government services but less taxes

Posted by: erikpdumont | September 7, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

In May 2003, US public support for the recent invasion of Iraq hit 79%, despite the failure to find the promised WMD.

That same month, National Geographic ran its annual geographic literacy survey. As every year, Americans came 29th out of 30 countries (ahead of Mexico, behind the entire developed world). Thirteen percent of Americans could locate Iraq on a map of the Middle East.

So at least 66% of American citizens in 2003 wanted to invade a country that they couldn't even locate on a map.

Nothing has surprised me about the stupidity of US voters since then.

PS I'm not a liberal, I'm a foreigner, and I'm telling you, the US public is world-famous for being stupid.
US voters are total morons, the evidence is undeniable and the whole world knows it.

Posted by: Bud0

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I'm in an agreement with you and it has been proven true and this is coming from an American.- You can't argue with stupidity.

Posted by: beeker25 | September 7, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I think one thing you missed is the tendency of Democrats to ignore, or even be contemptuous of the public. On both the mosque and the Arizona immigration law, the Democrats are squarely against what the public wants.

If the Democrats had produced a great economy, they might be forgiven for their arrogance. But they have not. They have spent a lot of our children's future and produced little.

I agree that the Republicans are not exactly the party of hope. But the principle, "You know guys and gals, it IS the voters who are ultimately in charge" is one which Democrats desperately need to remember.

Posted by: rohit57
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You conveniently forgot that the Republicans spent alot and produce little as well by borrowing money for the tax cuts and the two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and then turn around sell you snake-oil by saying this will help the economy and it will pay for itself. It is similar to the beginning of the scene from a Paul McCartney-Michael Jackson video "Say, Say, Say."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gWvBXS2t4A

So far this rationale has been proven a failure and many are ignorant because of the propaganda coming from the right. Furthermore it will take time for the damage to be fix. So far everything that has happened, my analysis have been proven correct.

Posted by: beeker25 | September 7, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Remember the 1960s-1970s counterculture ("Hippies")?

How they were lazy, disrespectful, mannerless, self-destructive, and above all, self-righteous?

How they wanted to burn down the establishment and destroy the system, with no ideas whatsoever on what to replace it with? Who were anti-everything, yet offered nothing?

Well, they're back.

I guess as long as they carry their American flags right-side-up, they are the "true Americans", not a "national embarrassment".

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 7, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

In May 2003, US public support for the recent invasion of Iraq hit 79%, despite the failure to find the promised WMD.

That same month, National Geographic ran its annual geographic literacy survey. As every year, Americans came 29th out of 30 countries (ahead of Mexico, behind the entire developed world). Thirteen percent of Americans could locate Iraq on a map of the Middle East.

So at least 66% of American citizens in 2003 wanted to invade a country that they couldn't even locate on a map.

Nothing has surprised me about the stupidity of US voters since then.

PS I'm not a liberal, I'm a foreigner, and I'm telling you, the US public is world-famous for being stupid.
US voters are total morons, the evidence is undeniable and the whole world knows it.

Posted by: Bud0 | September 7, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I think this article pretty much says it all. By the way, President Obama actually took it seriously when attempting to view our nation as the UNITED STATES. He could not have tried harder to unite us to make us a stronger nation and bring us up from the near disaster we were facing after the terrifying reign of the last president. Yet, here is the public, somehow living in a fantasy world, thinking that America could come back in less than a year! Amazing mentality of so many people. It is no fault at all of this current President that the American public is unable to see the truth right before its eyes! Those who scream loudest, no matter how ignorant and misinformed their message,are apparently the ones who can convince. Obviously, calm reason has no place in this country. What a shame--and we will all suffer because of it! I have thought in the past that if only the truth is revealed, then the public will respond appropriately. Very obviously not the case!

Posted by: saf62 | September 7, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I think this article pretty much says it all. By the way, President Obama actually took it seriously when attempting to view our nation as the UNITED STATES. He could not have tried harder to unite us to make us a stronger nation and bring us up from the near disaster we were facing after the terrifying reign of the last president. Yet, here is the public, somehow living in a fantasy world, thinking that America could come back in less than a year! Amazing mentality of so many people. It is no fault at all of this current President that the American public is unable to see the truth right before its eyes! Those who scream loudest, no matter how ignorant and misinformed their message,are apparently the ones who can convince. Obviously, calm reason has no place in this country. What a shame--and we will all suffer because of it! I have thought in the past that if only the truth is revealed, then the public will respond appropriately. Very obviously not the case!

Posted by: saf62 | September 7, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

NOTE TO EDITOR: Your message is:

If you vote for Republicans your are STUPID! (or just a bigot)

Posted by: TECWRITE | September 7, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

You may not like it, but it's true.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | September 7, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Ah, well, the Republic has withstood worse. The original Party of No was the Federalists, who explained that when Thomas Jefferson was elected, everybody would be taught rape and incest, and the churches would all be burned down. The Federalists imploded completely and disappeared from history in 1812.

Whig President Millard Fillmore was so hated over the Fugitive Slave Act that he could not get renominated by his own party, which promptly disintegrated in 1856.

Southern Democrats lasted a lot longer, through Civil War and Civil Rights, until they were pre-empted by the Republican Southern Strategy.

The Christian Right and the Republican Party and Tea Parties are overall shedding thousands of members a day net, that is, gains minus losses, something like 6 million annually. See The Incredible Shrinking Church for more details. They are trying to make up their losses in volume, as in shrieking and threatening.

I am looking forward to the next installment of naysayers and bigots not learning from history and thus repeating it. Hillary 2016, anyone? In a landslide?

Posted by: Antibogotes | September 7, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Tom - Why does Wall Street donate more $ to the Republicans than to the Democrats?

Obviously, the GOP is friendlier to them than the Dems are. The Dems should use this cozy arrangement in their campaign speeches.

Posted by: AMorgen | September 7, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Many comments here refer to liberals having contempt for the American voter and some do. Frustration is a better word than contempt. It seems to many of us on the left that, on economic issues, the majority of Republican and Independent voters are likely to vote against their own interests in the upcoming midterm elections.

If elected, the Republicans are likely to try to extend the Bush tax cuts which (to say the least) disproportionately benefit the super rich. Time and again, in theory and in fact, it has been proven that these cuts will only deepen our deficits and not sufficiently stimulate the ecomony to pay for themselves. (I refer you to BernieO's excellent post on this blog.)

So for anyone reading this post and thinking of voting Republican, I have a few questions. How does giving really, really wealthy people a huge tax cut benefit you? They don't need Medicare or Social Security, do you? They don't need public schools, do you? They don't need many of the public services that you may take for granted but will miss if they disappear due to lack of funds. And if the Republican Congress wants to cut a program that benefits you directly, where is your army of lobbyists to protect it?

So, yes, liberals are frustrated with a populace that would impoverish itself to further enrich its wealthiest citizens.

Posted by: rbtewes | September 7, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

You missed: We hate Wall Street for rewarding the companies that send our jobs overseas, but we plan to vote for the Greedy Old Party that aids and abets this behavior.

Posted by: eed017 | September 7, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Ah, the masses are asses. Keep peddling that meme, liberals. Sounds like a winner.

Posted by: sold2u | September 7, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

American Voters:
I don't know if voters are the same in other countries, but the American voter has to be the most forgetful, fickle and dumbest of all. What Tom Toles has stated is the absolute truth, not opinion. The Republican leaders and media have given us nothing but negativity and the American voters lap it up like thirsty, obedient dogs. As an Independent voter, I realize that this whole thing is nothing but a vicious cycle that goes round and round. Does it really matter any more who's elected and what they are saying to us? Like clockwork, the political cycle is about to repeat itself again. I probably should care, but frankly Scarlet, I don't give a damn!

Posted by: bestowens | September 7, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Bravo, Mr. Toles. I also am dumbfounded by the sway of the American public toward the policies that so recently brought them down.

Posted by: mauronia | September 7, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

many rich don't have to draw a paycheck...
we are taxed on income not wealth...
so, when pushed, the rich don't have to do anything...
but wait for change...
which always comes...

Posted by: DwightCollins | September 7, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

You have to know that the republican party brass is just sitting around giddy in their scheming with that same feeling one of those art heisting groups in Europe has the night before a multi-million con and grab....

"You know... I feel for certain we are going to be able to pull this thing off..."

Posted by: SEADOGMB | September 7, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

NOTE TO EDITOR: Your message is:

If you vote for Republicans your are STUPID! (or just a bigot)

We get that. You really do not have repeat in multiple forms, on multiple pages, day after day. It is starting to get boring.

Maybe you could put a banner on the top of each page with the above message. Link it on Google. It could be good for everyone.

Posted by: TECWRITE | September 7, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Stupid voters that believe all the propaganda and think we have the "worst President ever?"

True in many cases. But it did not start with President Obama. It started before then. Live by the word - die by the word. Even if it is propaganda.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | September 7, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

The public would not support buget-busting tax cuts for the wealthy if they hadn't been told for years that tax cuts pay for themselves and are a great stimulus for the economy. Both of these "facts" are easily disproven. Even Bush's own economic advisers admitted that tax cuts always add to our debt. Yet Republicans have gotten away with saying both explicitly and implicitly that tax cuts pay for themselves by "raising revenues" since Reagan first started selling this free market fundamentalist delusion.

How hard would it be for the media to explain that a $500 billion tax cut will, at best, return $250 billion to the Treasury from increased economic activity from the investment of SOME of the money in our economy. That leaves us $250 billion deeper in the hole. (To see a great article giving the facts, google "Mr. Guiliani and the Tax Fairy". This article appeared in the Post in '07 and was a rare exception to the media silence on this crucial issue.)

Robert Reich recently had an article on his blog explaining that the reason a tax cut on the rich is a weak stimulus is that the rich are less likely to spend it on goods and services. If they invest the money, they do not necessarily invest it in American companies, but will put their money anywhere in the world that gives the best bang for their bucks. Right now that is not the US. India, China or even POLAND would be a better bet.

This is not hard to explain or to grasp, so I am at a loss to understand why mainstream journalists have not bothered to educate the public about this important issue. Our democracy depends on a well-informed citizenry, which is why our Founding Fathers gave journalists specific constitutional protection. This was not done to assure that we knew all the ins and outs of things like the Palins' personal lives or the progress of John Edwards' love child.

Is it any wonder that people buy this seductive, something-for-nothing lie when no one is telling them any different?

Posted by: BernieO | September 7, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

I think one thing you missed is the tendency of Democrats to ignore, or even be contemptuous of the public. On both the mosque and the Arizona immigration law, the Democrats are squarely against what the public wants.

If the Democrats had produced a great economy, they might be forgiven for their arrogance. But they have not. They have spent a lot of our children's future and produced little.

I agree that the Republicans are not exactly the party of hope. But the principle, "You know guys and gals, it IS the voters who are ultimately in charge" is one which Democrats desperately need to remember.

Posted by: rohit57 | September 7, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

"Did I miss anything?"

Yes, JOBS...
the right for people to make a living...

Posted by: DwightCollins | September 7, 2010 5:50 AM | Report abuse

"Did I miss anything?"

How about:

- We have gun-related deaths nearly double those of the next-most-violent country, but believe that this will get better if we can just permit concealed-carry in all States.

- Our Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, but any politician that professes any faith other than devout Christianity has zero chance of being elected.

- Most of us think the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were unjustified and should be ended, but if we say so aloud we are considered to be: a) not supporting the troops; b) generally unpatriotic; or c) borderline treasonous.

- We live in the land of the free and the home of the brave, but we are too scared to tell our governments to stop intercepting our emails and telephone calls and to otherwise stop spying on us.

Just remember, Tom -- one of the hardest things to do is convince a person that their fantasies are not reality (cf GW Bush 2001 - 2009). Welcome to modern American society.

Posted by: Iceman3 | September 6, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

bobbo2, Just what great "happening" do you forsee in November? Please...enlighten me.

Posted by: bertzel | September 6, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me while I go have another glass of sarcasm...make that a double.

Posted by: bertzel | September 6, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Did you miss anything Mr. Toles? Nope, you covered about all of it. Aren't the United States and it's people just the coolest in the world? November, November, I can't wait till November.

Posted by: bobbo2 | September 6, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

"Did I miss anything?" ...

The shortly arriving 'Declining Oil', successor to 'Peak Oil', which Orahma has not only NOT prepared the country for, but has made worse in every way the consequences that will follow as it arrives.

Also, the Bush/Cheney team have nothing on Obama/Emmanuel when it comes to pushing the nation to the right.

Orahma's corporatist 'moderate' conservatism is becoming 'officially' defined as the 'extreme liberal left', leaving actual progressives and liberals nowhere to turn and with no national voice, and effectively moving the goal posts further and more permanently to the right than Bush/Cheney could have dreamed of doing.


Posted by: spigzone | September 6, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

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