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A non-issue for the Tea Party?

By Tom Toles

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They say that untested faith is a shallow, empty business. Maybe, but a severely tested faith is a pretty unpleasant proposition all around. And now, the election is about to put my faith in the democratic process to the test and put me into the emotional grinder once again. Commenters have already started gleefully celebrating my hour of torment, so I guess for them the point of an election is to punish your enemies. Makes sense -- conservatives like to find enemies even where there are none, and punishment seems to be their bread and milk.

I have to say I didn't see this coming so soon. 2008 was about as faith-restoring an election as I expect to experience. It is still as thrilling to me today as it was then. I saw America step forward to a place that finally made real our status as a nation of ALL Americans, conclusively and forever. And did it by electing a smart, practical guy, who had the capacity to see the whole landscape, assess and prioritize his goals, and work toward them with skill and determination and inclusiveness. Leaning progressive and anchored in reality. What's not to like?

Apparently, for many, pretty nearly EVERYTHING. Obama was INSTANTLY an alien socialist proto-Nazi impostor dictator trying to DESTROY the very nation we love. And so we must do everything in our power to end the effectiveness of his presidency two years in. Well, if that is how Americans feel they must act, a democracy must accommodate that, and we will work our way through it. But may I wish that the Tea Partyers would test their own unshakable faith in their political "analysis"? Because it's a shallow, empty business. --Tom Toles
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By Tom Toles  | October 25, 2010; 12:00 AM ET
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Posted by: dfhjadfjsdf | October 27, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

thought for the day...
"This is what you shall do: Be loyal to what you love, Be true to the Earth, and Fight your enemies with passion and laughter." Ed Abbey

Can anyone tell me who he is??
chuckle. Oh come on Toles, I'm sure you, of all people, would know...but hey, don't bother wasting your time with an answer.

Posted by: bertzel | October 26, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

excuse me while I laugh...!!

Posted by: bertzel | October 26, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

excuse me while I laugh...!!

Posted by: bertzel | October 26, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

What you seem to be hearing, bertzel, is right.

Posted by: quiensabe | October 26, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

~~~My question is, does the inclusion of the phrase, "like Authority over all Places..." not mean that residents of forts (military bases), magazines, arsenals, dock-yards and other needful Buildings should be denied their rights to representation along with residents of DC?~~~jonroesler~~~

after reading your last comment I don't know if you are actually questioning tho I will give you my opinion...

" as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government"
I believe that to be your 'key'...then again...

Posted by: bertzel | October 26, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

The Constitutional authority for denying voting rights to residents of DC lies in Article 1, Section 8, where it says, "Congress shall have the pwer to... exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings."

My question is, does the inclusion of the phrase, "like Authority over all Places..." not mean that residents of forts (military bases), magazines, arsenals, dock-yards and other needful Buildings should be denied their rights to representation along with residents of DC?

Or does "like authority" not really mean what it says?

If the denial of voting rights for DC residents is to be denied based on this article, should residents of all military and other government reservations be governed by "like authority?"

Posted by: jonroesler | October 26, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

~~~If they are really against overreaching government why haven't they taken a stand on medicinal marijuana, it would be harder to find a better example of overreaching government defying the will of a very strong majority,~~~newageblues

Interesting comment, very interesting.

Posted by: bertzel | October 26, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

~~~~~~you are a retired English professor that can no longer dissect student’s papers so that they look like they are bleeding to death~~~~~dave

Talk about adding insult to injury. Should I laugh or cry? What to do…

dave,I am not dissecting ‘your paper,’ I am dissecting your mind!

~~~ I have written four books that are an update of Plato's Republic that cover what government should be.~~

“what government should be”…should be according to…you?
Why did you write FOUR books on this topic instead of one if what you wrote was, indeed, just an ‘update’?
Speaking of ‘update’, do you mean you have added your own thoughts and ideals to those of Plato?

I am an avid reader dave and am always interested in a variety of topics especially when it comes to ‘knowledge’ as well as the bizarre. : )
Perhaps you will tell me what your books are titled and where I can purchase them?

From what I have ‘gathered’ so far, would I be correct in suggesting that, you tend to lean towards a global, somewhat socialistic society?
Where do you see yourself in this scenario dave? Would you be one of the farmers or a ruler? I don’t mean to ‘sound harsh’ dave, but it is a valid question… is it not?
I, personally, have a problem with being classified as a person who must ‘join’ a certain group or class of people only to be ‘stuck’ there in that ‘group’ because that is what I am told I was ‘born’ to do, simply, because I am good at it.

See, I would probably start out as a farmer or craftsman but would have to move on to something else…now according to Plato, I wouldn’t be able to do that…just doesn’t seem fair dave!

I am also interested as to how you think this ‘transformation’ could be achieved before we all self- destruct.

Oh and dave, as dude put it so eloquently, I am just a “common tater”
likin' the ‘self portrait’ dave : )

Posted by: bertzel | October 26, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps you should explain Exactly what 'your' interpretation of the government's 'role' is. Be advised, I will be 'hanging on your EVERY word'!
Posted by: bertzel


Why do I get the feeling that you are a retired English professor that can no longer dissect student’s papers so that they look like they are bleeding to death?
Also I am not sure whether I have been upgraded from naive or downgraded to arrogant. Where is Toles when I need him?

I have written four books that are an update of Plato's Republic that cover what government should be.

What I think government should be is a combination of a technocracy that provides the coordination of an efficient society and a Republic that provides a humanitarian society that makes sure that the society provides people the opportunity to live successful lives consistent with their personal choices.
Economics would be a system that regulates the society so that there is justice and equity for its all of its people.
Dave (:-)>

Posted by: OchamsRazor | October 26, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

It's not the no taxation without representation part of Tea Party that they are into, it's the time for a revolution part. If no taxation without representation was an issue to them, they would support proportional representation so that more people would be represented in Congress.
If they are really against overreaching government why haven't they taken a stand on medicinal marijuana, it would be harder to find a better example of overreaching government defying the will of a very strong majority, banning medicine that is crucial for some patients. For some reason that barbaric exercise of government power is ok with them.

Posted by: newageblues | October 26, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Toles! dave is being mean!!

now that I've gotten that out of the way...

am truly disappointed dave. you try to shift your shortcommings onto me... the name calling, talking down, accusations and scolding...arrogance a la carte.

Perhaps you should explain Exactly what 'your' interpretation of the government's 'role' is. Be advised, I will be 'hanging on your EVERY word'!

Posted by: bertzel | October 26, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

LOL...Tom Toles complaining about people being mean? That's a good one.

I did laugh at the simplistic assessment of 2008 vs. 2010. People were duped in 2008 into voting for an unrealistic hope...and they are taking out their anger on those that duped them. Sorry you had to be one of the victims..but, yes, you had it coming for your lack of wisdom in falling for a story you wanted to hear.

Nobody "destroyed" Obama...he had big majorities in both houses...and used them unwisely. And now the bill has come due.

Oh, and the DC voting rights thing? Check your constitution. Idiot.

Posted by: dhartmanva | October 26, 2010 6:45 AM | Report abuse

The constant complaint of DC being denied representation continues, and continues to be dishonest. DC can have representation any time it wants; it just has to apply to be part of Maryland. Representation is for a state; not a city. Should New York City, which is bigger than a number of states, be a state?

Posted by: potaboc | October 26, 2010 6:29 AM | Report abuse

The Constitution doesn't say where the District has to be, but does say there shall be no representation.
The Democrats had a super majority in Congress and choose not to pursue representation. Pardon my apropos forgot Democrats are treated like Teflon at the old Wash Po.

Posted by: jornolibist | October 26, 2010 5:11 AM | Report abuse

What did I 'read" into that? According to the above statement you expect the government to "provide" for us...that is a parents job is it not?? The government is not a parent. It should not provide for us.
Posted by Bertzel

My reply
Why do you take things out of context?
My sentence obviously refers to government responsibility not parents responsibility. Do you deny that government has responsibility? What are we paying them for? I do not think it should be necessary to repeat Government services.

The People of the World's Children" need efficient and stable governments that provide the (government) services they and their parents need to live quality lives.

Does that correction prevent your nit picking Republican distortion of what is written?

Again you contradict yourself. Parents can TRY to raise their children to be productive citizens. They cannot raise them to 'be intelligent'. Are you a parent dave cuz if you are I don't see how you could possibly say what you have stated above.
Posted by Bertzel

My reply
Again you cannot read a sentence without distorting its meaning.
I am a parent and my sons were both in the program for gifted children. My wife and I enhanced their education with lots of personal support.
Believe it or not, parents do have an impact on their Children.
My brother had children and all he ever did was criticize them. They turned out badly.
One of my sons got a swelled head and I reminded him that "it is nice to be smart but it is also smart to be nice".
You might want to think about that suggestion.
(:-)> Dave

Posted by: OchamsRazor | October 26, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

what is really sad, tom, is that Obama has been exactly what I thought the country wanted, competent, not flashy, businesslike, and he stood back and let Congress -- the voice of the people -- work on the problems.

It's what I wanted, but apparently I'm the only one. Except perhaps for you.

Posted by: summicron1 | October 26, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

I am really curious as to whether you people understand the religious, moral,front the republican and tea party is running on...you would not believe the things I am hearing and reading in my own home town...If you are Republican you are a religious, upstanding, God fearing person with morals. If you vote Democrat...you are not...scares me!

Posted by: bertzel | October 25, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

~~~The People of the World's Children" need efficient and stable governments that provide the services they and their parents need to live quality lives. That is what Government should be all about~~~dave

What did I 'read" into that? According to the above statement you expect the government to "provide" for us...that is a parents job is it not?? The government is not a parent. It should not provide for us.

~~~government is intended to govern and the parents are intended to raise their children as intelligent and productive citizens not sheep to the slaughter or foolish idiots.~~~~dave

Again you contradict yourself. Parents can TRY to raise their children to be productive citizens. They cannot raise them to 'be intelligent'. Are you a parent dave cuz if you are I don't see how you could possibly say what you have stated above.
I was going to ask you which way you 'leaned' politically...now I know.

By the way...I know you are not 'that editor' tho I must say, there is a strong resemblance!! I happen to know his real name and dave it is not : )

Posted by: bertzel | October 25, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Do you seriously believe our government was created to act as our parents??? Your description of provider suggests just that.
If you would kindly sum up "sociopathic anal-retentive foolishness" in 50 words or less,that might shed some light on a few things. Then again.....
Posted by: bertzel

Dave's reply
I am not that Editor."
You are reading something into what I said that was not intended. It is all about the government doing what it is intended to do with no insinuation that the parents of children are not responsible to do what they were intended to do. The government is intended to govern and the parents are intended to raise their children as intelligent and productive citizens not sheep to the slaughter or foolish idiots.

I can sum up Sociopathic "Anal-Retentive Foolishness" in one word; "conservative"(when it applies to politics).
Dave


Posted by: OchamsRazor | October 25, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Punish enemies? Mr. Toles you equate the ways of the Left with people of all political persuasions. The Left punishes those who don't agree with them by calling them bigots, racists, idiots, idealogues, and many other extreme labels. The Tea Party, from it's inception, was immediately labeled these things by the Left
Posted by Bobbo2

My comment.
"If the hat fits, wear it".
Some one has to tell it like it is.
The conservative Republicans like to lie and distort the truth every chance they get.
They are responsible for the mess we are in and they do not have the decency to admit it.
People who believe lies even when they are undermining their own survival deserve the hell on earth they are creating.
The sad thing is that the truly "good" people will be living in the same hell.
That is probably because of their apathy.

Posted by: OchamsRazor | October 25, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I wish Eric Cantor would stop repeating himself and offer some REAL solutions for JOBS! The prep school accent makes me gritttt my teeth.

Posted by: vacarollm | October 25, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I really have no idea why DC has no representation on Congress. Who could stand stand in the way of that, while claiming to believe in democracy? Conservatives and Tea Partiers could...DC is overwhelmingly Democrat AND liberal. I resided in VA, not far from DC, from 1984 to 2004. It always seemed to be Republicans who were standing in the way of full representation for DC and its residents. MD politicians, generally liberal, usually supported DC "statehood", VA politicians, usually conservative, usually did not. Sure. That "representation" may just as unresponsive as indyrich claims his/her's is. But that seems like a specious argument against representation for DC--they deserve the opportunity to get good or bad representation just like the rest of us. Hint: if you vote Democrats in, you will get good representation trying and often succeeding to make government work properly; if you vote Republicans in, esp. a TPier, you will get a corrupt, fear mongering, anti-government, anti-abortion rights, anti-DADT, school prayer-supporting, borrow and spend, grifting lunatic under whom government no longer functions.

Obama is not only our best chance right now, he is our only chance right now. Who else is there? The GOP offers nothing except more of what we got during the Bush 43 years. The economy is "not-so-good" right now. Under McCain/Palin, we're probably still be in full recession. At best!

Posted by: ptgrunner | October 25, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Mr. Toles for another fine piece of work.
Please ignore the torches & pitchforks people, they'll move along once the fire dies down.

Posted by: CharlyFranklininSF | October 25, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

What has "leaning Progressive" gotten us? When Speaker Nancy Pelosi received her gavel in 2007 she said that the era of new deficits was over with "pay as you go." Since 2007 the deficit has increased by over 5 trillion dollars. And the health care bill was supposed to create 400,000 jobs immediately. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the health care bill will cost over 800,000 jobs. If we lean toward Progressive any farther we will end up falling into a far bigger ditch than the Republican ditch that President Obama refers to over and over and over and over again. When President Obama means putting the car in "D" he means deficit.

Posted by: bobbo2 | October 25, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The District of Columbia is a Federal Enclave under Article 1, Sec. 8 Cl 17 of the United States Constitution. Your cartoon Mr. Toles could at least have a little history to it. In 1978 The D.C. Voting Rights Act Amendment was passed by Congress. It had to be ratified by 38 of the States within seven years. Sixteen States ratified it. Don't blame Congress, blame the States. But then again alot of States just don't want to see an automatic, permanent addition of two Democrats to the Senate. The District of Columbia is a microcosm of what sole Democrat control is in Government.

Posted by: bobbo2 | October 25, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

D.C.'s non-representation is not really any more tangible than the non-representation experienced by the vast majority of Americans. Does a D.C. resident experience less, *real* access to a Representative than someone from one of the states? I think not. If you think so, try writing to a Congressman about a specific issue. If you can decipher a coherent stance in the boilerplate, Orwellian nonsense you get in reply, I'd like to get some of whatever it is you're on.

Posted by: indyrich | October 25, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Tom...What continues to surprise me about your tome is that you are a smart guy. I’m not certain, however, that I would admit to “the effectiveness of his presidency two years in."

Posted by: quiensabe | October 25, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Does acceptance to Harvard Law School perhaps indicate that Mr. Obama had better than "decent" grades? Perhaps the fact that he graduated Magna cum Laude from the same school? I'm wondering how high the bar is, that pararanger is setting... and if anyone else is going to be able to get over that bar.

On the economy, perhaps readers should review the monthly job loss numbers under the previous administration for comparison to Obama's numbers. Graph the results, if you are able. Then, if things are better, give the man some credit. If not, well then, vote for a return to the policies of the previous administration.

Posted by: jonroesler | October 25, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

dave...your game play is "different" to say the least....please tell me you are not that arrogant editor I have been doing battle with this morning....cuz that would really rub me the wrong way. By the way your posts make me : ) Do you seriously believe our government was created to act as our parents??? Your description of provider suggests just that.
If you would kindly sum up "sociopathic anal-retentive foolishness" in 50 words or less,that might shed some light on a few things. Then again.....

Posted by: bertzel | October 25, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats and the Republicans are not only hurting themselves, they are hurting everyone.
"The People of the World's Children" need efficient and stable governments that provide the services they and their parents need to live quality lives. That is what Government should be all about NOT sociopathic anal-retentive foolishness.

Posted by: OchamsRazor | October 25, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Wonderful cartoon today Tom - thank you for spreading the word on the hypocrisy of DC residents' disenfranchisement from our democracy. Washingtonians are at risk to lose big in this election, not just potential future rights but the limited power their Delegate currently holds.

Posted by: LRamsay | October 25, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Dear Tom: Beautiful comments this morning. I too share your admiration for our president (and still completely believe in the man himself). Fortunately for us (you and me anyway), Barack Obama's influence will not wane (whether he's president or not). Because of Obama, everyday I try to "be the change you wish to see in the world." You're the best, Tom. Keep those amazing cartoons (and blogs) coming. Thank you.

Posted by: clyons2 | October 25, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Punish enemies? Mr. Toles you equate the ways of the Left with people of all political persuasions. The Left punishes those who don't agree with them by calling them bigots, racists, idiots, idealogues, and many other extreme labels. The Tea Party, from it's inception, was immediately labeled these things by the Left . So much for the "Nation of all Americans." No doubt that President Obama is smart, but he believes that he is always the smartest guy in the room. He isn't, and the sooner he understands that the better. The Democrats have been run by the far left from day one of President Obama's administration. Inclusiveness? The health care bill was designed by the left of the Democrat Party with backroom deals to get votes and none of the Republican ideas such as Tort reform or purchase of insurance across State lines. The health care bill was accomplished by business as usual in Washington. We are borrowing 40% of our Federal budget next year. And President Obama thinks that more expensive Government is the answer for everything. The mandate that the Democrats envisioned was a mirage. The people are mad. They are mad at both Parties. A change is coming and the winners have no right to punish their enemies. They had better get this financial mess in order and get our Government's size and responsibilities down to what they should be. And that means what the Constitution allows. The Constitution is the law of the land. I expect our elected officials to abide by that document. And I expect the President to do so as well. The Presidential Oath says to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States." President Obama may be smart but he pales in comparison to the wisdom of the Founding Fathers and what they envisioned for American government.

Posted by: bobbo2 | October 25, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

What do you suppose Toles is trying to convey in that sketch pad on Monopoly Forclosure-style of his Dated October 18, 2010?
Posted by: bertzel

Posted by OchamsRazor
It is all about economics.
I think he is trying to say that we are going to drown because of our wrong perception of the Chinese economy.
We seem to think the value of the Yuan should be inflated when in fact it is already an anchor around our neck.

We had the same misconception of the Japanese Yen when the Japanese Yen was an anchor around our neck.

The Chinese understood our weakness and we with our usual flat learning curve lost our competitive edge.

We stretched our economy to the braking point to compensate for our errors.

Now, our economy is on the brink of collapse and the best we can do is run up our debt to fix the problem.

We are the most powerful nation in the world and we are not smart enough to understand basic economics.

Economics is a dynamic system and it is necessary to generate sufficient funds to meet people's needs. The economic pie has to expand and contract as required to maintain a stable economy. The economy can regulate itself to some degree but it is always necessary to crunch the numbers so that there are sufficient funds to maintain a quality society. Supporting the supply side of economics and letting the demand side of economics fall short undermines the stability of the nation.

Economics is based on faith and fidelity. When there is corruption and no fidelity, there is no faith and the system fails causing people to suffer the disastrous consequences.

Posted by: OchamsRazor | October 25, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the modern US is we want instant gratification, and we have no sense of the long-term. Everyone wants what they want and they want it now. FDR did not fix the American economy two years after he got elected. He kept telling people to be patient and give his programs time. They did, and the economy turned around (the war certainly helped this endeavor as well).

In our 24-hour news cycle society, if it's not new and shiny, and doesn't instantly make our coffee for us in the morning, we quickly tire of it. Just like with the great depression, the great Bush recession is not going to go away overnight. But...that's not good enough. I want my burger NOW!

So, the right-wing media powers are painting Obama as all kinds of evil things, and convincing many folks that we'd be better off with the people that got us here in the first place. Not a single new idea, not a single explaniation of what they'll do differently then they did under Bush (who just confessed that his biggest failure was not privatizing Social Security). It baffles the mind sometimes, but it's really not all that surprising. We want drive-through government. If we have to wait more than 5 minutes, we pull out of line and go to a different drive-through that promises faster service.

Posted by: PrairieDog60 | October 25, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse


As for conservatives punishing their enemies, you'll get off lucky if they only replace a few democrats in congress, because, if you'll remember, they embrace torture. They like to torture people. They get off on it. Remember Bush and Cheney smacking their lips at the mere thought? Welcome to the kinder, gentler torture chamber.

As for Obama being "a smart, practical guy, who had the capacity to see the whole landscape, assess and prioritize his goals, and work toward them with skill and determination and inclusiveness," what have you been smoking?

The dude is an empty suit, a pretty face to stick in front of the cameras. He's a mindless zombie puppet of the oligarchy. His White House is a branch office of J.P. Morgan and Goldman Sachs (continuing the Bush precedent). If you got sucked in by the FOX-caliber monosyllabic sloganeering of HOPE and CHANGE, then you're getting what you deserve, you pinhead droid.

Two simple rules to navigate this terrain:

1> Follow the money.

2> Pay no attention to what politicians say. Pay attention only to what they do. There's no correlation between what they say and what they do.


Posted by: HumanistPatriot | October 25, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Some interesting figures to play with:
1. The current debt is reported as 14 trillion dollars
2. If the annual deficit---now running in the trillion dollars + range---could be totally eliminated, we could use any "surplus" for each year to pay toward the debt. If the annual deficit were zero (balanced budget, but no surplus), nothing would be available to pay toward lowering the debt.
3. If we could have a surplus of 500 billion each year without fail (this would mean a change of 1.5 trillion-----from one trillion dollar deficit to 500 billion surplus), we could pay off the debt in 28 years.
4. If we managed to eke out a surplus of only 100 billion each year (hasn't been done in past several decades except for one questionable year under Clinton) it would take 140 years to eliminate the debt.
If ALL expenditures, other than national defense and interest on the debt were eliminated-----that is NOTHING spent on any other item, nada, zilch-----the debt could be paid off in 5 years and 2 months. Figures used are from the 2010 budget: Total expenditures 3.55 trillion, total defense spending 663.7 billion, interest on the debt 164 billion. Therefore 3.55 trillion minus(0.6637trillion + 0.164 trillion) = 2.72 trillion. With national debt of 14 trillion, divide that figure by 2.72. and get 5.147 which is the number of years (approximately 5 years and 2 months) it would take to pay off the debt with nothing other than defense and interest paid .

Posted by: merhoff | October 25, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Obama's only done exactly what he said he'd do when he ran for president, which is what people wanted. I hate to say it, but the problem with this country is we want a bunch of stuff guaranteed but we don't want to pay for it. We are an entitled bunch. Most people agree "People who are sick should be able to get the care they need without going broke. Anything else simply isn't fair. No one chooses to be sick, after all. They have no control over it."

But, raise taxes to pay for this? "Oh good Lord no! I'm not going to have some bum living off MY money! Do something else. Something like...I don't know something!" So, the administration and Congress create this bill that doesn't raise taxes, but says everyone has to buy insurance from private providers, because raising taxes is simply off the table immediately, no ifs ands or buts, it just won't happen, NEITHER party is willing to even suggest it, because we've been spoiled with the idea that we never, ever ever ever ever have to ever ever raise taxes for anything ever ever, even for stuff we want and need.

Oh and a public option, the most obvious solution, also off the table immediately, because quite frankly there's too much money to be made and being made already privately.

So what do we get? We get a bill that's the only thing possible. A "start on the right path." And why do we get what we got? We have no one to blame but ourselves.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | October 25, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Hey TT -- I don't think "pararanger22" likes you too goot.

Posted by: dudeupnorth | October 25, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Does Obama love America? Apparently not.
If he did, then he would not want to "fundamentally change" it.

Posted by: DirtFarmer1 | October 25, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

your sketchpad pretty much sums it all up Toles...quite the barbarians aren't we..

Posted by: bertzel | October 25, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

"Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans." - George Carlin

Posted by: Kevin71707 | October 25, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Toles for D.C. representative!
The vote won't be as bad as predicted. Obama will be re-elected. and history will view the tea party and Sarah Palin as the last gasps of the pro-slavery, anti-government, state's rights, anti-equality movement in mainstream politics. It will take about 10 more years for them to get pushed out. But no being likes to die and even though we're right - the dem just don't have the killer instinct. so it will take time... and it may get even uglier as the end becomes more and more evident for these clowns.

Posted by: martin44 | October 25, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Cheer up Tom.

"What's not to like?"

I did not vote for President Obama, but I like his style, he speaks well and I have no problems with hes legislative programs.

Don't be too discouraged. He was slowed by Republican opposition. But we all see what they did.

Now it will take time to prove that health reform was a step in the right direction. But we managed to sell Social Security and even Medicare. Now everyone likes them.

The future will be brighter.

Just do not give up now and forget to vote.

After all, there are a few on the left who do not know how to win. They kept asking about Iraq "What is victory?"
They are somewhat like Senator Reid. "We can not win this war."

But now they say "We can not win this election."


Posted by: GaryEMasters | October 25, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Toles: "Odd issue for the tea Party to ignore."

Yes indeed. That pesky Constitution always getting in the way.

Posted by: mertt | October 25, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Whither Columbia?

Best to be Columbia County in Maryland if you got to have representatives and Senators at beck and call.

It ain't no state.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | October 25, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

"Eventually America will get fed up with the pendulum ride and seek candidates who only care about what is best for all Americans, regardless of red or blue stripe." Posted by: egc52556

You are dreaming. Never happen, not in this country. Common sense and the American public is an oxymoron. In America - Belief trumps facts everytime.


Posted by: kparc | October 25, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

"And did it by electing a smart, practical guy, who had the capacity to see the whole landscape, assess and prioritize his goals, and work toward them with skill and determination and inclusiveness. Leaning progressive and anchored in reality. What's not to like?"
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OMG!!!
Toles is the first person that actually didn't just drink the Kool-Aid,
he SNORTED it!!

Posted by: tjmlrc | October 25, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Wow ! I love every word of this article .
Specially when Toles writes about the "redemption" of the day Obama was elected.

Posted by: la-mute | October 25, 2010 6:24 AM | Report abuse

The mean spirited are always among us. Ready to sully any idea, reputation that differs along any dimension. It seems to continue the superlative inflation where "very good" becomes "awesome".

The ----- (fill in the blank) is a threat to freedom, democracy and everything I stand for where I beg to disagree could be as much if not more constructively used.

Maybe the age of Andy Warhol where everyone gets their 15 minutes of tirades and infamy.

Posted by: Tipidancingbear | October 25, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

2008 was a lot like 2010 is, but in reverse.

In 2008 the electorate was fed up with Bush's presidency and looked for the anti-Bush: liberal, intelligent, well-spoken, inclusive, anti-Iraq War. (BTW, this last point is why Dems picked Obama over Clinton.)

In 2010 the electorate is fed up with Obama's presidency and are looking for the anti-Obama: conservative, "common" sense, folksy, exclusive, pro-military.

The pendulum swings back and forth.

Eventually America will get fed up with the pendulum ride and seek candidates who only care about what is best for all Americans, regardless of red or blue stripe.

Posted by: egc52556 | October 25, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Toles wrote:

["I have to say I didn't see this coming so soon. 2008 was about as faith-restoring an election as I expect to experience. It is still as thrilling to me today as it was then. I saw America step forward to a place that finally made real our status as a nation of ALL Americans, conclusively and forever. And did it by electing a smart, practical guy, who had the capacity to see the whole landscape, assess and prioritize his goals, and work toward them with skill and determination and inclusiveness. Leaning progressive and anchored in reality. What's not to like?"]

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Toles tries to appear so rationale, so disgustingly at the top of the 'I know what is right for you' pile.

What bull. Let's tear the middle paragraph apart, allow some light in on this fairy tale spun by our Liberal friend, shall we?

1 - Faith restoring election [2008)? It makes me sick to think about it. Obama was, and remains, all show (w/teleprompter) and no go. It was all about the speeches - he hadn't done anything!! No executive experience, little impact on the Senate, barely any written material in terms of a policy agenda. Just eloquence. It's as if the Democrats thought they were watching a sentimental Disney movie. Jesse Jackson and Oprah moved to tears. Chris Matthews felt something go up his leg. I mean seriously, did you really know who you were voting for? Hillary Clinton actually had a record to run on and got more votes but you idiots elected the other guy. Insane.
2 - America post civil rights has been a Nation for all Americans you twit. I would seriously like to see you live a couple years in a European Nation (as I do) and we would see how much 'America Appreciation' that would engender.
3 - "And did it by electing a smart, practical guy, who had the capacity to see the whole landscape, assess and prioritize his goals, and work toward them with skill and determination and inclusiveness."

This last paragraph is truly amazing in the sense that Toles actually believes it to be true. What folly. Smart guy - okay, maybe. It would be nice to see his transcripts. For the love of Pete, even W published his transcripts. I think there is probably a story there but for now the only story is Obama's lack of courage and the fact that he promises transparency but does not deliver. Prioritize his goals? That meant Health Care before Jobs. Great priority, just what we needed, really smart. Result? Promise of 8% unemployment and a Summer of Recovery = 9.5% unemployment and a very understandable, predictable election drubbing to come for it. 'Work toward them [goals] with skill and determination and inclusiveness?' LOL. Took over a year to pass Health Care with clear majorities in both Houses of Congress. Inclusiveness? Every counter proposal from GOP was met with scorn and tossed. Had Obama offered a Health Care package with serious Tort reform, you might have had a bipartisan deal.

Just like Toles, overated and about to lose.

Posted by: pararanger22 | October 25, 2010 5:31 AM | Report abuse

Toles why don't you go back and look through all your President Bush cartoons and you may want to reconsider your enemies and punishment charge.

Posted by: jornolibist | October 25, 2010 5:20 AM | Report abuse

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