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Rubbed the wrong way

By Tom Toles

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Go, team!
We're all here in the bleachers yelling at Obama now. And we have the same valuable advice to impart that sports fans everywhere offer to their television sets every weekend.

Some of the advice is that he's not explaining his game plan properly. The thinking here is that if he would EXPLAIN his strategy better, that they would stop tackling him and trying to give him a nosebleed and have him carried to the sidelines until the end of the season. Others in the room are shouting at him to STOP TRYING TO EXPLAIN! It's TACKLE FOOTBALL! If you stop to talk to them they are just going to head butt you and give both of you concussions. So Obama should maybe explain things better to his side so THEY will administer the head butts, and EVERYONE can be carried off the field, but the Democrats will win the PR contest. It's currently the apoplectic spectators who are getting the nosebleeds.
All this excitement tends to miss that we are on the same team. Or were. --Tom Toles
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By Tom Toles  | November 16, 2010; 12:00 AM ET
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The terrorists have won, and we have lost our freedoms and privacy...would have happened anyway, even w/o the terrorists.
Posted by: ptgrunner

My Read of the deeds...
Personally, I think that we are all the victims of a mad genius who is getting his revenge on all of the people who called him a fat smart ass.
He has set up a system of fear so that he can manipulate people to do exactly as he desires. He is the de facto Dictator of the USofA. He plays the media like a fiddle and is setting us up for self- destruct. He uses misinformation to confuse people's minds and turn them against their own best interests. If we are going to survive as a nation, we are going to have to close him down and do what ever it takes to put our nation back on track taking us back to being a world power that has the self-confidence and resources to create a better world for all of this world's people.
There is a right solution for every problem; all it takes is the courage and action to make it happen.
It is not about what is right and what is wrong; it is about working together to fix the problem which is both systemic and personal.
Dave

Posted by: OckamsRazor | November 17, 2010 2:55 AM | Report abuse

So

Is there some agreement here that the "team" will have to cut spending AND increase taxes to "win" in the present economic situation. Perhaps leave Afganistan and across the board Fed cuts including entitlements? Reform or modify the Bush tax cuts rather than extend as written?

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 16, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

You have my vote.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | November 16, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Huh???

The great thing about America is you don't have to move if you don't agree with your politicos. You get to vote. Are you from Venezuela or Cuba or something?
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Before you comment on my post, you should actually read it.

Posted by: ptgrunner | November 16, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

So

Is there some agreement here that the "team" will have to cut spending AND increase taxes to "win" in the present economic situation. Perhaps leave Afganistan and across the board Fed cuts including entitlements? Reform or modify the Bush tax cuts rather than extend as written?

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 16, 2010 2:56 PM
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There will be extension of tax cuts, more tax cuts, and some minimal spending cuts. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will continue...the U.S. military is in those countries to stay. I never thought we'd withdraw completely. We may have a moratorium on earmarks, but no permanent end to them--ending earmarks will save us almost nothing. We can't even bring ourselves to end the famous Mohair subsidies, although it's been tried for over 2 decades. What few spending cuts we may have will target the most vulnerable among us, the politically weak. If we do things the Republican/Tea Party way, we will have enormous debts as far as the eye can see. They have said very clearly that they will compromise on nothing. And compromise to end deficits means tax increases. Short term deficits are required to pull the U.S./world economy, it's long term deficits that must be eliminated. Decreasing short term government spending does not appear to be a good option.

Good to http://www.nytimes.com/weekinreview/ ,read and work through "O.K., You Fix the Budget". Republicans are the ones most responsible for the national debt (Reagan, Bush 41, and Bush 43) and have ignored the problem for too long...there is no quick fix and everyone will have to make major sacrifices in the future.

Posted by: ptgrunner | November 16, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

ptgrunner

"get out of my country."

Huh???

The great thing about America is you don't have to move if you don't agree with your politicos. You get to vote. Are you from Venezuela or Cuba or something?

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 16, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

So

Is there some agreement here that the "team" will have to cut spending AND increase taxes to "win" in the present economic situation. Perhaps leave Afganistan and across the board Fed cuts including entitlements? Reform or modify the Bush tax cuts rather than extend as written?

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 16, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse


No, ptgrunner, what I’ll do is what I did 15 days ago: I’ll vote you out. You’re welcome to stay since it’s your country too. And see a doctor; get some medicine for your anger. Calm down!

Posted by: quiensabe | November 16, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I have some good advice for conservatives who don't want to go where Obama and other Democrats are taking us. It's the same advice that conservatives give anyone who disagrees with them: "get out of my country." You don't like what has been done, mostly because you don't understand it? Conduct some due diligence to find out what Obama has done or leave the country. "Love it or leave it!" Vamoose! Get lost! We don't need you. We don't want you here! Don't go away mad, just go away. We're tired of your "crabs in a bucket" syndrome. Don't drag the whole country down just because you can't make it.

As for the cartoon, I will never fly again. The rule of thumb is that, if your destination is within 1000 miles, then drive. I'll stay with 1000 miles of my home. The terrorists have won, and we have lost our freedoms and privacy...would have happened anyway, even w/o the terrorists.

Posted by: ptgrunner | November 16, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse


Yes, jhnnywalkr, I do realize about half the country disagrees with me. And your response seems kind and I appreciate that. I would certainly like to believe that everyone believes in the greater good and I’m sure they do for the most part. My fear, though, is that through naiveté our country may be destroyed. For example, last week Eugene Robinson said the Administration passed Obamacare through “clever parliamentary procedure.” To call a naked disregard for the will of the American people clever is a travesty. That’s what’s exasperating and good and kind people like yourself are being hoodwinked into believing in something and people who just don’t have your best interest at heart. Seeing visuals of Barack and Michelle kowtowing to India last week made me feel sad for both of them because the press here was saying his trip was a failure. I wanted them to succeed, but when you peel back the layer of the onion, you find his policies are linked to some very seriously flawed philosophies, ones that can harm our future as a sovereign nation. Those are the things that concern me, and if I am an “apoplectic spectator,” then so be it.

Posted by: quiensabe | November 16, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

When did we become so withdrawn as a society we can't go in for a good old-fashioned group grope anymore?

Posted by: boesc | November 16, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

~~~~ Is it so hard to just accept that everyone believes in the greater good, and based on that foundation maybe we can find a way to work together to solve problems in this country?

Posted by: jhnnywalkr ~~~

Everyone does not believe in the greater good or perhaps I should say that not everyone's 'greater good' is perceived the same way! look at the conflicting comments in this very blog. What one person sees as truth, others see as false and vice versa...can't change the minds of sheep.
When two 'mega parties' cannot agree and work together how do you expect individual citizens to work together and agree...we all have different ideals.
Some(if not most) worship money and power and as long as that false worship continues we will never have 'unity'.

Posted by: bertzel | November 16, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Oh please don't try and say Obama is some type of Clinton democrat he is not. That's the guy the liberals wanted and fell for hook line and sinker. The one who was gonna CHANGE washington and be a uniter and heal years of racial tension. How is that working out?

Posted by: jmcfan2 | November 16, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Tom, we were on the same side. When one side, however, Obama, want to take you where you don’t want to go, what should you do? Go with him? Or, stand your ground? What you think we should all do is abandon our good sense. Our apoplexy is not born of stupidity; it is a necessity.

Posted by: quiensabe | November 15, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse


You realize about half the country disagrees with you, right? A good portion of this country may not like everything Obama has done but they don't necessarily see it as some kind of threat to the American way.

No, you don't have to abandon your "good sense." But you do have to work together with people you don't agree with sometimes to do things that are important to everyone. The Democrats don't want to destroy this country, neither do the Republicans, they just have disagreements about how to get things done. Is it so hard to say that? Is it so hard to just accept that everyone believes in the greater good, and based on that foundation maybe we can find a way to work together to solve problems in this country?

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | November 16, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

When dropped a cat always lands on it's feet, and a piece of toast always lands butter side down.

We are all on the "butter side down" in this scenario. However, I believe that Mr. Toles was saying that we are all Americans regardless of which "side" we are on.

Having read your comments section for quite some time I have come to believe that besides the obvious trolls, wingnuts and moonbats; that this place is also inhabited by quite a few replicants, pod-people and Cylons as well. And I have no idea what "side" these freaks are on...

Posted by: pete1013 | November 16, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

TT, good commentary, and good cartoon. I haven't had to fly since the advent of the scanners, but not sure I'd want to step into the radiation chamber. Would probably have to settle for the grope.

As far as the "team" comments...spot on. What disturbs me most is hearing Republicans say things like "our main goal is to see that Obama is a one term president". Really? That's your purpose in DC? That's why the people elected you? Never mind Afghanistan, unemployment, the environment...just focus on "winning". How very American...and childish. Who are these people? Junior high bullies in expensive suits?

daly planet, see my answer in yesterday's comments.

Posted by: PrairieDog60 | November 16, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

~~~~All this excitement tends to miss that we are on the same team. Or were.~~~~

To what team do you refer?
The Right side or the Wrong side?
The Left side or the Right side?
The Winning side or the Losing side?
The Knowledgeable side or the Ignorant side?
The Rough side or the Smooth side?
The Up side or the Down side?
The Dark side or the Light side?
The Arrogant side or the Humbled side?
The Loud side or the Quiet side?
The Giving side or the Taking side?
The Bold side or the Timid side?
The Proud side or the Meek side?
The Sighted side or the Blind side?

Which side/team is it that we are or were on Toles?

I see too many variables for us all to be on the ‘same team’.

A Strong, Well Explained, Understood plan is a must in all situations,
Is it not?

By the way someone misquoted the following;
“So you think you can tell, Heaven from Hell,
Blue skies from PAIN,
Can you tell a green field, from a cold steel rail,
A smile from a veil….”

Oh and Toles, like the 'toon' : )

Posted by: bertzel | November 16, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Intrusive screening/pat down? Yes. Can I request a hot woman to pat me down? :)

Posted by: bob801 | November 16, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

The TSA is like the Germans in 1944.....

All in uniform, some "Good Germans", the rest Nazis.

TSA should be opposed in the airport

Refuse the scan and public genital grope

You have the legal right to request a Private Screening With Witnesses

Demand same

Note the names of the union thugs (ie TSA) and use those names in complaints.

Better yet, refuse to fly....let the airlines and the TSA perverts hang out togethers in a very empty airport.

Posted by: georgedixon1 | November 16, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Toles must be on a roll. This is just flat out funny.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | November 16, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Hillary? Come on, the only reason Obama won the primary is that we did NOT want Hillary. Too bad he immediately morphed into Hillary.

Posted by: Wrily | November 16, 2010 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Hillary? Come on, the only reason Obama won the primary is that we did NOT want Hillary. Too bad he immediately morphed into Hillary.

Posted by: Wrily | November 16, 2010 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton would have never let this happen. Hillary for President 2012. Don't touch the junk!

Posted by: jornolibist | November 16, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

All this excitement tends to miss that we are on the same team. Or were. --Tom Toles

My Concern...
Civilization is supposed to be all about the cooperation of the many to the benefit of all.
When there is more than one person involved, life is not a one person sport.
Life is a precious gift that should not be abused. We are all part of the story of people's lives on this distant planet.
Our culture has adopted violence as entertainment and it is undermining the value of life, our ability to work together and the quality of our nation.
Constant conflict, apoplexy and Self-destructive prophecy becomes our reality as we construct our history.
On the subject of Afghanistan, we are sitting ducks on the ground and need to use our airpower instead of our foot power.
It saves a lot of leather and a lot of lives.
If we get out of the Middle East and protect our own interests it would be a better world. Interfering with the structure of other nations creates is a thankless job; especially when we cannot manage our own affairs.
Dave

Posted by: OckamsRazor | November 16, 2010 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Tom. I've always looked forward to your cartoons but now I find myself looking more to your comments as the highlight of my morning readings.

Posted by: aged | November 15, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Warmers and economic inequality drones have to love this.

Posted by: billybeer6 | November 15, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

PrairieDog60 from yesterday

I was seeing in a report that the US has 500 years of coal and 100 years of known natural gas. Plus maybe 150 years of oil. so that gives us 500 years of electricity the most useful of power sources. Geology is a much more understandable science than climatology because it involves mapping not modeling. In other words when I see we have 500 years of coal I believe it because there is a 3D map that states there is X number of trillion cubic feet of coal divided by present annual consumption equal 500 years of coal. When a human conceived computer model states that arctic ice will be completely gone by summer of whatever date I am not as likely to accept because it is a guess due to too many variables and unknowns.

I believe we are adding CO2 to the air, it is a fact, as is an apparent slight increase in average annual temp. Is CO2 entirely or not at all causal is open to debate, probably in the middle. Is a little warming a bad thing, probably not. Is a lot of warming a bad thing, probably. But the computer model is not facts but only a prediction. This is the area of needed study in my mind

The solution to stopping using fossil fuel is so painful and destructive now that there is no solution presently that is acceptable. One is to replace all coal electrical generation with nuclear but that is not going to happen soon here in the US. Another would be to cut electrical usage to only renewable sources but that would require reducing consumption by at least 60% or 9 hours of power daily plus industry doing the same. Not going to happen. None of the solutions offered today put a dent in energy use.

I believe that our hope is in developing new tech from the minds of our billions of humans. There are more chance for genius today than 100 years ago because there are billions more of us. We need to be patient. We have only just began to understand electricity and its use. 100 years ago there was no use of it in any practical sense and look at where it it today. We have internet and cell phones and a massive power grid that operates seamlessly for the most part.

What are you doing to save fossil fuel.

Posted by: dalyplanet | November 15, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Tom, we were on the same side. When one side, however, Obama, want to take you where you don’t want to go, what should you do? Go with him? Or, stand your ground? What you think we should all do is abandon our good sense. Our apoplexy is not born of stupidity; it is a necessity.

Posted by: quiensabe | November 15, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

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