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Posted at 12:00 AM ET, 11/21/2010

Trouble brewing

By Tom Toles

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By Tom Toles  | November 21, 2010; 12:00 AM ET
Categories:  Economy and jobs, GOP  
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I'm sad to say that unless we collectively develop some ethics when it comes to politics and work to change the way elections are funded, this problem will only get worse with time.
Let's start a movement..."Honesty is the Best Politics."
Posted by: insightinc

My Reply...
In order that "Honesty" can function; it is necessary "Truth" that is consistent with reality must prevail.
Dave

Posted by: OchamsRazor | November 26, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

~~~Let's start a movement..."Honesty is the Best Politics."
Posted by: insightinc~~~~

I Honestly do not see that happening.
You are right about Wall Street. There was no accountability concerning that fiasco...

Posted by: bertzel | November 21, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

People (me included) are worried about how they will pay their bills. Democrats saved Wall Street and by doing so, the rest of us to some degree. Wall Street never had to pay the price for what happened, the taxpayer picked up the entire bill. I am a strong Democrat and I support Obama. However, I wanted to see some sign that they were tough on the people who caused the crisis. Remember, they were never asked to take a "haircut" because it would be "unfair." Instead, we are left with high unemployment and people unfairly losing their homes without proper documentation. It is hard to come out strong for Democrats under these conditions.

Republicans are even worse. The rant about the deficit and pretend to care about high unemployment, but their policies protect tax cuts for the extremely wealthy and spending for their contributors while they fight extending unemployment benefits, which are so far below what a family needs to survive, it is pathetic.

I'm sad to say that unless we collectively develop some ethics when it comes to politics and work to change the way elections are funded, this problem will only get worse with time.

Let's start a movement..."Honesty is the Best Politics."

Posted by: insightinc | November 21, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Most won't forgive him for going into Iraq in the first place, and many if not most don't think it was worth it "win" or "lose," however you've decided to define that at this point in time.

Also, your choices on Iraq once it did actually start as put forth of "We either had to stay and win or leave with our tails between our legs like cowards" is an oversimplified one, at best.
Posted by: jhnnywalkr

My Opinion...
There is no win or lose, all there will be is constant conflict.
"Terrorism" is an on going method of scaring people into submission.
Dave

Posted by: OchamsRazor | November 20, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Dad said git er done. Now no rattling sabers and the World can enjoy.

Posted by: billybeer6 | November 20, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I don’t know. I initially thought we were going to ‘GET” Osama bin Laden…’OUR BAD'?
Was he not the “Master Mind” of our “Home- land attacks”?
Saddam Hussein was indeed evil but was not “our” initial concern.
I think he may have been a Bush concern tho….

Posted by: bertzel | November 20, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Iraq is the cradle of civilization again thanks to Bush. I think I will have another.... < (Insert sound of opening a cold beer here) pssst!

Posted by: billybeer6 | November 20, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Most won't forgive him for going into Iraq in the first place, and many if not most don't think it was worth it "win" or "lose," however you've decided to define that at this point in time.

Also, your choices on Iraq once it did actually start as put forth of "We either had to stay and win or leave with our tails between our legs like cowards" is an oversimplified one, at best.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | November 20, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"As for myself, I certainly came to hate Bush 43..."

Many will never forgive him when he did not give up and they had said "We can not win in Iraq."

They said the President was mad for trying to win.

So am I.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | November 20, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Caption: "Ever since the colon bomber we have to check."

Subcaption: "He had explosive flatulence."

Bonus points if the agent is pulling on the rubber glove by extending the gloved arm in a Hitler salute.

Posted by: Bill64738 | November 20, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

@bertzel | November 20, 2010 9:25 AM

It's hatred. Seems to be stirred up, first by the Palin 2008 campaign, and now by the usual suspects, i.e. other Fox snollygosters. An informed electorate wouldn't behave this way towards Obama. But it's true that ignorance breeds fear. Obama and other Democrats almost certainly SAVED us from disaster, and we should be grateful for their sound, if imperfect, management of the economy. Think GM here, for example. It's true that we must begin dealing with the deficit now, but it's too early in our economic recovery to raise taxes or cut government spending much. Not to fear, conservatives will come out for major tax cuts--that's always a winning formula with the people of the U.S.--but they will have no plan to cut government spending. Wait a minute, we have a lot to fear. We should fear ourselves!

As for myself, I certainly came to hate Bush 43, but it took 3 or 4 years of enduring his idiocy. That hatred was certainly not immediate. And the GOP is the main reason we are in the terrible economic situation we are in. They have been irresponsible in their economic management and they are not going to change, because too many buy into their nonsense.

Posted by: ptgrunner | November 20, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I can see, ptgrunner, that you have not taken my advice seriously and got yourself some medicine. Whew! Get ‘hold of yourself!

Posted by: quiensabe | November 20, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

~~~~ Your average conservative is indeed filled with hatred for Obama--this hatred is so irrational that it must be largely based on racism.
Posted by: ptgrunner ~~~

Hatered is such a Strong word.
I agree there are a lot of disgruntled and angery people. Obama is on the receiving end, after all he is the President (scapegoat)
I also think it has more to do with FEAR than racism.

Posted by: bertzel | November 20, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

LOL....gee Toles, with any LUCK that is how I will look SEVERAL hours from now!!!
One can always hope can't one...
Posted by: bertzel

My Reply...
Sad but true; the only solution to our present dilemma is not only going to be cut taxes and increase spending; it is also going to take a sober Government.
The present economic system is no longer workable. It will take a whole new set of economic methods of exchange to meet the demands of growing demands. Without sufficient funds, civilization will self-destruct.
If that thought does not cause concern, life as we know it is toast.
Dave

Posted by: OckamsRazor | November 20, 2010 2:29 AM | Report abuse

Logic and consistency is simply not part of the GOP's/conservative's propaganda arsenal. They promise deficit reduction via the magic of "unspecified spending cuts and no new taxes"--we've heard this nonsense for 30 years and it hasn't worked yet. The spending cuts never materialize and tax cuts do. It's safe to assume that Republicans will soon revive the "supply side/trickle down economics" nonsense, albeit under different names. There are plenty of voting idiots who will believe Republicans when they do so.

At this point, anyone who accuses the Republicans of treason would be on solid ground. Sure, Republicans have ideological difference with Democrats, but they are engaging in the slash and burn politics of destruction--there is nothing productive or helpful about their tactics. Republicans do not compromise or work _with_ Democrats, they do refuse to meet with this country's president--I'm not counting on them to meet (rescheduled meeting) with Obama later this month (the Republicans are cowards outside of the safety of Fox News). By the end of the Bush 2 administration, this country was on its knees. We're still trying to stagger back to our feet--I figured it would take 5 to 10 years of responsible leadership like Obama and other Democrats are giving us to fully recover. But if the Republicans take control in 2012--and they're quit willing to destroy this country in order to defeat Obama--we won't recover in the foreseeable future. And it won't take a real clown like Palin to set this country back economically by 20 years--your garden variety Republican POTUS with even partial control of congress is capable of doing that. Your average conservative is indeed filled with hatred for Obama--this hatred is so irrational that it must be largely based on racism.

Posted by: ptgrunner | November 20, 2010 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Ha, ha, ha, gettin' there!
yo billybeer6!

Posted by: bertzel | November 19, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

That has another Pulitzer written all over it....burp!...enerrrnenenerrrnenerrrnne burp!

Posted by: billybeer6 | November 19, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

ps. massive tax cuts = massive deficit. (400 billion a year forever, with interest....)

Posted by: EarlyBird1 | November 19, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

LOL....gee Toles, with any LUCK that is how I will look SEVERAL hours from now!!!
One can always hope can't one...

Posted by: bertzel | November 19, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

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