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Posted at 12:00 AM ET, 01/23/2011

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By Tom Toles

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By Tom Toles  | January 23, 2011; 12:00 AM ET
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Wow what a coincidence the State of the Union and Oscar nominations coming out on the same day and the winner is ........the teleprompter.

Posted by: billybeer6 | January 25, 2011 6:13 AM | Report abuse

To Tom Toles,
What we need is a job exchange so that people doing the same job in a different location can exchange jobs with jobs closer to their home.
I was crossing the narrows bridge going to work at a Boeing Company complex in Auburn, Washington when I realized that there were as many vehicles going north as there were going south. It seemed to me that it would be better if people going south could exchange jobs with people going north, there would be a whole lot less vehicles on the road.
Since when is wasting fuel, people's time and screwing up the environment a necessary freedom when all it takes is some common sense and organization skills to save those essential resources.
Dave

Posted by: OchamsRazor | January 24, 2011 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Ranger, we seem to be close on the immigration issue, except perhaps for the history. You are correct that, immigrants in past times tended not to have lobbying groups, but the fact is that pro-immigration lobbying groups were not necessary until anti-immigration laws began to be passed... with the support of anti-immigrant lobbying groups.

A truly free market requires some rules. One of the rules must be unfettered access to accurate information, which we often need to dig for but which is more and more available. Another of the rules is that we allow competition.

Allowing competition isn't something we can do only when it happens to be convenient for conserving the status quo, conserving wealth, etc. We must also accept that WE are going to have to compete on an ongoing basis.

We can try to legislate roadblocks to competition... and do so constantly, but we are only fooling ourselves. This doesn't have to be a race to the bottom, but economics is all about competition.

As a Conservative (I'm assuming from your posts that you consider yourself a Conservative), my assumption would have been that you would OPPOSE efforts by private groups to use their economic and/or lobbying power to force the government to control the economy in ways that would benefit them. In earlier times, that would be called Fascism, and my understanding is that modern Conservatism claims to oppose the creation of a fascist sort of state.

Immigration, in my opinion, is a red herring. This country has always been a nation of immigrants, wave after wave after wave. Immigrants threaten our complacency and immigrants threaten our sense of entitlement. They force us to compete, by competing with us.

It isn't as if we don't enjoy some serious advantages, and it isn't as if we can't emigrate ourselves. I'm just not seeing the whole anti-immigrant thing as being useful at all, or of any value whatsoever except as an attempt to garner political power by saying, "It's us vs. them."

Of course, it IS us vs. them, the same as it's us vs. our neighbors, our our kids vs. our neighbor's kids. That's the way it has always been.

Posted by: jonroesler | January 23, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

dalyplanet,
Thanks for the 10 (all working) links. I was looking for information to address what was posted earlier: “Do you know that in the last dozen years that 75% of temperature recording stations have been "retired" and all previous modern raw data has been "lost" leaving only "adjusted" data available.”

Nothing in this peer-review science applied. I was looking for evidence for this claim because it suggests that meteorological data are not available to track modern temperature trends when I thought, in general, that they are.

Here’s what the links involved that I could access (7 of the 10):
www.mi.uni-hamburg.de/fileadmin/fnu-files/publication/tol/RM7422.pdf
No temperature sensor data were questioned in this paper.

www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2002/2002GL014825.shtml
Only an abstract, published 2002, is available since a subscription is required.

www.colorado.edu/geography/blanken/PDF%20Copies%20of%20my%20papers/Unresloved%20issues%20with%20the%20assessment%20of%20multidecedal%20global%20land%20surface%20temperature%20trends.pdf
Big file from 2007 that one of the authors has on his own site: indicts nighttime temperature as a means of evaluating warming but again does not mention missing recording stations etc.

journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/1520-0442%281999%29012%3C1524%3ATEODGO%3E2.0.CO%3B2
A 1999 paper: shows how standard deviations in 3 to 10 day aver. temp. data are determined. No mention of retired data stations.

journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/BAMS-88-6-913
Finally got this one through a subscription but it doesn’t deal with temp but instead wind measurement & does not address removed sites.

www.fel.duke.edu/~scafetta/pdf/physicstoday2009b.pdf
Consists solely of 2009 letters to the editor—indeed a discussion of peer-reviewed climate change data—but does not mention any temperature site removals.

www.int-res.com/articles/cr2004/26/c026p159.pdf
The easiest to read (2004) and the conclusions particularly interesting but again no mention of temperature site loss.

www.world-economics-journal.com/Contents/ArticleOverview.aspx?ID=290
Only an abstract, published 2007, available since a subscription is required but this economic journal doesn’t appear to be peer-reviewed beyond an editorial board, but I could be wrong.

multi-science.metapress.com/content/9013721464pv71mr/
A 2009 abstract only, but appears to involve policy decision making, not temperature data disappearance.

And science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/1997/essd06oct97_1/
Is an article from 13 years ago, talks satellite “thermometers”, and has no bearing.

So there’s nothing here that bears on the initial and surprising post:
“Do you know that in the last dozen years that 75% of temperature recording stations have been "retired" and all previous modern raw data has been "lost" leaving only "adjusted" data available.”

Posted by: redhead1990 | January 23, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I always laugh when I hear people say to live close to work. People stay in a job 3-4 years. Do they buy/sell their home and move their kids that often? Most managers I've worked with won't let you work at home for fear that they'll lose control. I was more productive from my home office where I didn't have so many social interruptions in my cube.

I moved from Leesburg to San Diego. It is so wonderful not to have to plan my day around traffic peaks. I can get almost anywhere across the county in 20 minutes or less.

BTW, I was in a horrible car accident a few years ago when traffic came to a complete stop on Route 7, and a truck hit me. I've had enough of traffic and I hope to never return to a place like DC for that reason. We all talk about wasted time in traffic, but after suffering a brain injury, I nearly lost my life. How about measuring wasted lives?

Posted by: insightinc | January 23, 2011 12:27 PM

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Fantastic post. Everyone from DC should read it. If our National politicians REALLY wanted an issue folks care about, it's traffic, and the inability of States to grapple with the problem. The mixing bowl was a huge issue in 1977 when I was a kid and we've only recently addressed the issue.

We spend so much time in traffic and what do our politicians do, especially at the local level? They carry out a war on motorists, taxing and taxing and taxing everything about our cars, our gas, our usage (tolls)...

I'm fed up.

Again, great post insightinc

Posted by: pararanger22 | January 23, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Traffic and AGW are related (cars emit CO2)

Posted by: dalyplanet


If one believes such a thing is happening, which it seems you do or don't depending on the day.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | January 23, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I always laugh when I hear people say to live close to work. People stay in a job 3-4 years. Do they buy/sell their home and move their kids that often? Most managers I've worked with won't let you work at home for fear that they'll lose control. I was more productive from my home office where I didn't have so many social interruptions in my cube.

I moved from Leesburg to San Diego. It is so wonderful not to have to plan my day around traffic peaks. I can get almost anywhere across the county in 20 minutes or less.

BTW, I was in a horrible car accident a few years ago when traffic came to a complete stop on Route 7, and a truck hit me. I've had enough of traffic and I hope to never return to a place like DC for that reason. We all talk about wasted time in traffic, but after suffering a brain injury, I nearly lost my life. How about measuring wasted lives?

Posted by: insightinc | January 23, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Gee Toles this is the first cartoon you've done in a while that has not tried to put the blame for every problem on the Republicans. So did you get tired of drawing elephants?

Posted by: Arkygirl666 | January 23, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

For Cartoon caption:

"Swallow, hook, line and sinker"

Posted by: Lou_Oliver | January 23, 2011 7:41 AM | Report abuse

At the end of the film "War Games" the computer learns tht the only way to win is to not play the game.

Same with traffic. One has to live close to work and shopping. And that does not mean concentration as opposed to sprawl. In fact, sprawl may be the ultimate solution to the problem.

If only the tax laws and culture would encourage people to lie close to work or even to move the work to where people live, we would not play the commuting game and would win.

When I mention this, I get angry responses that say "we will never live int he District..."

So? Move the work out to suburb link or your own telecommuting station.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | January 23, 2011 7:26 AM | Report abuse

This thing about how modern immigrants should be learning the language just like all the other ones have really needs to have a historical sanity check. What? Or is every right-winger on this site descended from people who spoke English as a first language when they got here? (I suspect this is the case.) Anyone who worked in manufacturing in the last century in any major industrial city in this country knows someone (or knows of someone) who immigrated from somewhere else and speaks their native language at home. Who is married to someone who also speaks that language. Who lives in a neighborhood filled with other people who also speak that language, and probably goes to a church where that language is spoken by at least a third of parishi People whose churches, some of them, still held services in people's native languages at least until the end of the 20th century and some of which still do. And, yes, almost all of these insisted that their born-in-the-USA children spoke English as a first language and encouraged those children to enlist in the military and defend this great country of ours when she was in peril, but also had enough pride in their heritage to show some respect for their elders who had not yet learned and to continue to support immigrants from wherever they happened to come from. Where some of you people get off with this English-only nonsense I'll never know, but it's obvious you've either forgotten completely where you came from, or are descended from English-speaking immigrants (which does not make you any better than anyone else, by the way), or are just plain ignorant. The biggest difference between immigrants now and immigrants 100 years ago is that, some of us, now that our forebears have done all the hard work, feel that we are somehow entitled to look down our noses at others who are JUST like the people we are descended from. You have either forgotten your roots, or have none, and either of those conditions is just sad.

Posted by: jonroesler | January 21, 2011 2:54 PM

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jon,

I don't disagree with a lot of what you've writtent but I think your opposition to 'English first' is a bit misguided. My position isn't 'English only' but a willingness for our immigrants to participate in American culture, beginning with a mastery of English that does not require dual-labeling of every part of our lives in English and Spanish. We didn't have to do that before...why now? Because of an explosion of new illegal immigrants. It's just such bull.

I'm not looking down my nose at immigrants and know exactly where I came from. This is a false argument on your part. Illegal immigrants did not have lobby groups and the Liberals backing for amnesty and dual language marking when I was growing up. Immigrants, such as the Germans, Scandinavians, et al assimilated and kept their culture. It's not the same now and we should challenge this 'me first' attitude.

Posted by: pararanger22 | January 23, 2011 2:55 AM | Report abuse

Arguments for alternative solutions

http://multi-science.metapress.com/content/9013721464pv71mr/

Other

http://www.world-economics-journal.com/Contents/ArticleOverview.aspx?ID=290

http://www.fel.duke.edu/~scafetta
/pdf/physicstoday2009b.pdf Read article 3

This is a start. More to follow These are all peer reviewed

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 22, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

General arguments to temp adjustments
most open by clicking PDF

http://www.int-res.com/articles/cr2004/26/c026p159.pdf

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/BAMS-88-6-913

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2006/2006GL027069.shtml

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/1520-0442%281999%29012%3C1524%3ATEODGO%3E2.0.CO%3B2

http://www.colorado.edu/geography/blanken/PDF%20Copies%20of%20my%20papers/Unresloved%20issues%20with%20the%20assessment%20of%20multidecedal%20global%20land%20surface%20temperature%20trends.pdf

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 22, 2011 10:31 PM | Report abuse

redhead
I am still looking for a folder with surface measurement data links, these are other links that question IPCC certainties and are peer reviewed.

This is a general rebuttal to the AR4 and WG3
http://www.mi.uni-hamburg.de/fileadmin/fnu-files/publication/tol/RM7422.pdfhttp://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2002/2002GL014825.shtml

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 22, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

redhead

I have links but can not post them

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 22, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

And of course the http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/1997/essd06oct97_1/ link you provided doesn't address changes in " last dozen years".

Posted by: redhead1990 | January 22, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

dalyplanet,
Do your best. I would assume nothing less.

Provide the logic and reason that convinces you and I will read it.

"Are you stating there has NOT been a major reduction in surface measuring stations?

I am not opposed to changing how we do energy production here but the harder I look the more I am convinced that 'science' is manipulated to support 'agenda'."

I don't automatically assume that what you've said is incorrect; however, temperature sampling sites are spread across the planet and controlled by myriad jurisdictions and states, provinces, countries, etc. Thereby even if a few go off-line others should come on-line, etc. After all meteorologist over the past 150 years aren't conspiring. Right? Science isn't an opinion but a systematic way of examining the universe by hundreds and thousands of people. Right?

And the scientific process of peer review doesn't, in my experience, involve an agenda except for systematic logic and reason in the experiments described and the conclusions drawn.

Let's do it....

Posted by: redhead1990 | January 22, 2011 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I am not opposed to changing how we do energy production here but the harder I look the more I am convinced that 'science' is manipulated to support 'agenda'.

LOL

Posted by: bertzel | January 22, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

redhead

Here is a link to support satellite temp data. NASA is pretty reliable, though Hansen has them pretty much in line.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/1997/essd06oct97_1/

I am needing a second or more to put those links to you as I have too many data links and not enough organization. Peer reviewed may be a problem tho cause you're either in the club or you're not. But not being in the club doesn't mean that you're lying or a bad scientist. You (I am sure) know that government acid rain research cost about 600 mil leading to a 1990 agreement so how much has been spent on this other little project.(if you know do tell) The point, peer review for differing opinions may be hazardous to your grants.

Are you stating there has NOT been a major reduction in surface measuring stations?

I am not opposed to changing how we do energy production here but the harder I look the more I am convinced that 'science' is manipulated to support 'agenda'.

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 22, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

~~~~~Do you know that in the last dozen years that 75% of temperature recording stations have been "retired" and all previous modern raw data has been "lost" leaving only "adjusted" data available.~~~~

dalyplanet

Can you provide a link or citation to a peer-reviewed source for that?

Posted by: redhead1990 | January 22, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"tis a vicious cycle...

Posted by: bertzel | January 22, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

jhnnywalkr |

Traffic and AGW are related (cars emit CO2)

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 22, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

And gleebe???
Traffic problem?

Posted by: bertzel | January 22, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Jwalkr...as long as you are driving in that car in front...there are no problems....it's all the idiots behind that don't know how to drive that cause the problems...

Posted by: bertzel | January 22, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

That's very interesting dalyplanet and I can see how it is important to conversations about traffic problems.

Posted by: jhnnywalkr | January 22, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Do you know that in the last dozen years that 75% of temperature recording stations have been "retired" and all previous modern raw data has been "lost" leaving only "adjusted" data available.

We have satellites to measure temp accurately but don't use them. There was a 9 degree variation between the in city airport low -15 and a rural low -24 seven miles away yesterday. The warmer airport temp is part of GISS stats used to determine 'rising' global temperature. 25 years ago the airport was rural compared to today.

From 50 degree north where it gets cold, most recording stations were 'retired' and from 40 degree south where it gets cold, there is mostly water so there never were recording stations.

There is no denial of science here with me but rather awareness of a marked inconsistency between science facts and the reports of a rapidly warming earth. The location of the greatest warming is the Douglas Straight in Baffin Bay. Melting Glaciers and an soon to be ice free Arctic Ocean are reported regularly. Many scientists believe this melting is caused by natural shifts in ocean currents. Warm water melts ice faster than warm air, a science fact.

Posted by: dalyplanet | January 22, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Bogus science on human forced climate change is in the biggest truck. Just how do you get a tie in annual global temperatures for 3 same years 12 years apart?

Posted by: jornolibist | January 21, 2011 10:58 PM | Report abuse

As veteran travelers on the I-95 corridor between Florida & NYC, we always bypass the DC traffic slog via the Chesapeake Bay Bridge & Tunnel, well worth the $12 toll for the serene scenery.

Posted by: 4Runner1 | January 21, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

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