Bad gets worse

Well, if you didn't see today's hideous loss to Portland - and if you didn't buy a ticket you couldn't see it because it wasn't on TV - let me summarize Washington's worst performance of the season this way: no energy, terrible ball movement, screening, passing and shot selection. Utter failure to get back on defense, rotate to the open shooter, grab rebounds or hustle for loose balls. Gilbert Arenas was outplayed by Jarrett Jack. The big men were outrebounded and outhustled. Caron Butler had a rough shooting game (4-of-10) and finished with one rebound. The bench was abused by LaMarcus Aldridge and Juan Dixon. Andray Blatche didn't look ready for his first start and other than DeShawn, everyone played lousy today. The fans booed off and on throughout and really let the Wiz have it when they headed the lockeroom.

Things got worse after the game when Gilbert went on a bizzare Q and A exchange with reporters and basically blamed the loss on Eddie Jordan's emphasis on defense in his pre-game speech.

Among the highlights of Gilbert throwing his coach under the bus:
"It's easy to lose focus when you you're just drilling us that if we make a mistake we're going to be coming out. Truthfully, that's how you lose concentration. You lose focus because you're scared to actually play basketball. His standpoint is that since we lost Antawn, we have to pick it up somewhere else and that's defense."

When asked whether he planned on predicting high-scoring games in the future, Arenas turned sarcastic: "I guess I have to start predicting that I'll get 10 steals."

More Gilbert: "First period of the game we had what, 11 players go in? I've never seen that before. We get taken out for any mistake we make on defense. At the end of the day, it's hard to play like that. You figure to get beat. It's the NBA. Players are going to beat you, players are going to get offensive rebounds on you, players are going to make great plays. If you get penalized for it, you're out there playing like a robot."

After listening to this for awhile I asked Gilbert: "What does any of that have to do with going 1 for 15 from three-point range?"
Gilbert: "That has nothing to do with it but when you start the game off, we know we're going to blow this team out, you say okay, it's going to be an up and down game, get on your horse but when you go into a game and it's like okay, let's settle down, focus on defense, get back, don't get beat on backdoors, that's what you focus on. You try not to make any mistakes because you don't want to get taken out of the game."

Later, I said this to Gilbert: "It sounds like you're burying your coach here."
Gilbert: "Nah. Nah. It's on us because we have to actually go out there and do it. It's like what I was telling the team: we have to go out there and score. At the end of the day, for the last 10 games, everyone's scoring 100. They only scored 94 and they average 93. They still shot 50 percent and that's on us. I'm just saying: we have to go out there and play defense. That's what we're supposed to do."

If you can make sense of everything I just wrote above this sentence, congratulations because you have an advanced degree in Gilbertology. I have no idea what the cat is going to say at a given moment.

Needless to say, Eddie wasn't pleased which is understandable considering that Arenas was 0-of-8 from long range and looked completely out of it throughout.
"My reaction to that?" Jordan said. "That I emphasize defense? No reaction. Next question."
Later, Jordan added: "You guys approach me with what Gil said about defense. I don't know why you ask me that. It's stupid. Plain stupid. The whole idea of us asking them to play defense better. Is that a problem? It's ludicrous."

Jordan then made some indirect comments about Gilbert's leadership skills or lack thereof.

"First of all, we didn't have the leadership out there that we needed with Antawn out," Jordan said. "And no one else has stepped up into a leadership role. And frankly, we didn't have enough talent out there on the floor. Darius not being ready conditioning-wise and being in a rhythm, knowing what we do. Andray being young. Michael (Ruffin) being limited the way he is and just coming back for his first game. We just didn't get major production and we didn't make shots."

Eddie on not having Jamison's leadership: "It's very special, very special and Antawn has it. That's why he's the only captain on the team. I've tried to have main guys the last couple of years to be captains and it doesn't work because they don't have the qualities."

On Gilbert being a captain: "I don't want him to do it. He's not a leader right now. He's a scorer and our best player and you'd like your team to take the personality of your best player in a sense."

On the team struggling defensively without Antawn (a thought that was laughable a few weeks ago but suddenly on point for some weird reason): "Not with this team. It's always hard to play defense with this team with Antawn or without Antawn."

Bottom line: between Antawn's injury, the Etan/Brendan fight, the altered rotation that includes a raw kid who is learning (Blatche) and two guys who have been out all season (Songaila and Booth), this team is in trouble. My thought after Antawn's injury was that they'd be fine if they could go .500 without him. Now, I don't see that happening. Eddie's got his work cut out for him so perhaps it's a good thing that the All Star break is coming soon. Today was ugly all the way around.

By Ivan Carter |  February 11, 2007; 8:20 PM ET
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Ivan, on the WTEM postgame show, there was some mention about shouting coming from the locker room during or before EJ's press statement. What was that about?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 11, 2007 9:06 PM

Ivan, great post.

EJ and Arenas definitely should NOT be airing laundry out like this in public. This is a team in desperate need of a professional intervention. I hate to use the term "group therapy" session, but this is exactly what this team needs. They have to have the chance to air out the disputes behind closed doors so that the team can move on.

I get the sense Stevenson is probably pretty happy that he only signed onto a one year deal at this point.

Hopefully this team can turn things around. They're still 7 games above .500. Better than last year. But they have a lot of growing to do. That goes as much for player(s) as it does for coach.

Posted by: JP2 | February 11, 2007 9:22 PM

Appreciate you asking the hard questions there, IC. I for one think this team is going to come through this and be better as a result of it, but it will be ugly in the meantime.

If everyone on the team can get onboard and realize that these types of losses spotlight the problems with the team that can be fixed, this will have been a blessing. Rather deal with these issues now than in April, after being bounced in the first round of the playoffs.

Besides, DC teams always play best when they are longshots and underdogs.

Posted by: Gack | February 11, 2007 9:28 PM

Bad things happen after losing streaks/bad games.

The character of a lot of individuals will definitely shine through in the next coming games.

We'll get to see who these guys really are, and I pray that I'm not dissapointed

Posted by: dj sleeper | February 11, 2007 9:28 PM

Was at the game today and let me just say I agree it was a total no-show. Pathetic really. At no point did it seem like anyone on the court carried. Teams that have pretensions of getting the number 1 seed don't lose this game, at home, by 20.

I agree Ivan, we're in trouble. All-star break couldn't come at a better time. Philly is going to be trouble though.


Posted by: Jake | February 11, 2007 9:49 PM

Let me get a few things off my chest about the Wizards.

Concerning Gilbert's statement about players worrying about being taken out of the game whenever they make a mistake. I totally agree with his analysis. I wrote in this blog a few weeks ago about how Eddie Jordan (EJ) needs to play Blatche, even when the kid makes mistakes. I say this because I believe that the only way Blatche is going to learn how not to make mistakes is if he's given the chance to play through the mistakes he makes.

I know EJ has a policy that players earn minutes in practice, and that's all well and good. But players learn in game situations, not in practice. EJ's policy would be understandable if he had a bunch of knuckleheads for players. But they don't seem to be knuckleheads. (If they are knuckleheads, I apologize to EJ, and this entry is moot.) However, if they are not knuckleheads, then EJ needs to avoid treating them like they are. And this is basically what I think Gilbert was saying when he spoke about players being taken out of the game because of a mistake they've made. Imagine being asked to do anything without the leeway to make a mistake. We'd all be robots in performing whatever it is we do to earn a living. This is true, as Gilbert suggested, for basketball players as well.

The impression I get of EJ from his coaching style is that he doesn't think much of his players. And I would argue that when you don't think much of a person, they in turn don't think much of themselves. Imagine being one of the Wizards and having to go out and play believing that your coach doesn't think much about you. Under such circumstances, you're forced to play against your coach as well as the opposing team. That's not a formula for success.

I recall reading WP columnist William Raspberry writing about an adage he kept in his office at Duke. Raspberry wrote in his Oct 17, 2005, column:

I keep on my office wall a framed quotation from Goethe: "If you treat an individual as he is, he will stay as he is, but if you treat him as if he were what he ought to be and could be, he will become what he ought to be and could be."

It probably wouldn't hurt if EJ were aware of this adage.


Posted by: Anonymous | February 11, 2007 9:51 PM

Melwdc - OK... if that's really how Eddie Jordan thinks of his players and how he treats them, then you have a point. But were you at the game today? Have you watched the Wizards' last several games? He's NOT taking the star players out for making ONE mistake. Maybe he's taking them out after they make, like, ten or fifteen (I'm sure Gil was involved in at least that many bad possessions, at least partly his fault, before being pulled for the first time today).

It's possible, I suppose, that it got in their heads that they could be pulled for making mistakes (it's almost hard to believe I'm writing about that as being a bad concept - taken out of a game for playing poorly?!?! how dare the coach do such a thing!!). But how else are you going to get them to learn to actually care about defense? It seems pretty clear from everything I've read Gil say that he doesn't like playing defense and doesn't really want to play defense. He'd rather just try to outscore the other team. I guess it's his right to have that preference, but it's not his right to set the team's agenda that way, is it?

I'm kind of baffled by your assertion that players learn in games, not in practices, though. If that's true, what is practice FOR? In the sports I've played, practice is EXACTLY for learning how to work together in a certain way so that you can then do it the same way in a game. Maybe all you were saying was that it's not exactly the same in practice as it is in a real game, and it takes some "game practice time" to really get it down? I would agree with that, but if you can't even get it right in practice, I don't see how you're going to suddenly start getting it right in games, where it's harder...

Posted by: Josh | February 11, 2007 10:17 PM

caron's also been having a lot of off-nights recently.

gil's attitude is really distressing. sounds more and more like he doesn't respect anyone. now that we've started losing, his stupid jokes look mean-spirited, immature, and divisive. makes sense that he'd be friends with fellow clown brenda haywood.

why doesn't AD have a voice?

Posted by: ct fan | February 11, 2007 10:48 PM

Josh, thanks for picking up my point at the very beginning of your post. My entire post was premised on EJ's perceiving his players as knuckleheads. (I probably should have put that in the first paragraph rather than in the third one.)

Anyway, I grant your point that EJ may be taking the players out after making numerous mistakes. And I totally agree with the notion that players learn in practice. I should have been more precise in my post. What I meant to write is that more learning, or real growth, occurs as the result of playing in games. I cite as examples Dwight Howard, Chris Bosh, Jermaine O'Neal and Kevin Garnett. With the exception of O'Neal, all these players played significant minutes in their first years in the league. As such, I would argue that they all learned more in these game situations than they did in practice and that their development was due in large part to their playing in games.

And you are absolutely right when you say that if a player can't get something right in practice, one can't expect that they'll get it right in a game. No argument from me on this point. I also don't argue with the concept of pulling a player for playing poorly. But, again, my overall impression is that the players on the Wizards are not a group of morons that don't want to win. And as such, they should perhaps be given some leeway. And if EJ is in fact giving them appropriate leeway before pulling them, then I stand corrected.

I guess I'll just have to accept the fact that my Wizards are not as good as I'd like them to be.


Posted by: Anonymous | February 11, 2007 10:53 PM

Gilbert is a punk. Haywood has been treated poorly by EJ for years, and he has never thrown dirty laundry out like this. I can't stand anything EJ does, but Gilbert is acting like a complete jerk. Get the freaking chip off your shoulder.

Posted by: Mike | February 11, 2007 11:02 PM

The wizards are in trouble if they continue fighting and continue to play lousy defense. I wonder about the team's defensive philosophy.It appears that an opposing player is always open.Other teams seem to be able to play solid defense against the wizards.ej needs to start really coaching and that means figuring out how maximize the use of players and how to incorporate defense into the game plan without it negatively impacting the offense.Ej ,it's time to earn those $'s and the full respect of your team. successful coaches are ableto do this. By the way other teams lose players to injury and don't fall apart. The wizard's should still be able to perform in a professional manner absent AJ in the lineup.

Posted by: joyron | February 11, 2007 11:08 PM

I read Gilbert's comments 3 times over and it still makes no sense to me.

Regardless, I am getting pretty scared. I think we will struggle at Philly on Wednesday but get our act together after the break (somewhat).

Posted by: AV | February 11, 2007 11:08 PM

I'm very disappointed in Gil right now. It seems like in just a matter of weeks he's gone from being one of the most professional, hard-working players in the league to That Player. You know, the one who questions the coach in public. The one who refuses to play defense. I doubt Michael Jordan ever told his coach that he's "a scorer and shouldn't be asked to defend."

After all, Gil is the one who promised 50 points and scored only nine. Fine. The least he could've done was take some responsibility after the game. "I sucked." That's all he needed to say.

Why do Washington sports teams always have to disappoint? As soon as I dub Gilbert the savior, he starts having 0-8 nights from three and refusing to play defense, while blaming his coach for trying to correct him.

By the way Ivan, good questions for Gil. Keep it up.

Posted by: Ben | February 11, 2007 11:12 PM

"Haywood has been treated poorly by EJ for years, and he has never thrown dirty laundry out like this."

um... have you been following the team for the past 3 years? all haywood's ever done is throw dirty laundry out in public. is it EJs fault that haywood only plays decently when he's pissed off?

ps: good/important followups ivan

Posted by: veritas | February 11, 2007 11:23 PM

The highs are never as high as you think, and the lows never as low as you think.

It's a long season, and even though Eddie isn't my favorite choice for coach of this team, one thing he does extremely well is handle his players, especially Arenas.

Imagine if Jerry Sloan were coach of this team or Scott Skiles... it wouldn't work.

Eddie finds a really nice balance between tolerating his players quirks, without being a pushover or losing respect. This guy has been around the block and can handle this without pulling the panic button.

Posted by: Wei | February 11, 2007 11:26 PM

Wow, Mike. You continue to impress me with your mind-numbingly one-dimensional view of this team. I wish EJ would play Brendan for 48 minutes a game for a few weeks so you could find another theory when the team goes .500 or less.

Posted by: Gack | February 11, 2007 11:50 PM

It's all Jarvis Hayes' fault. He doesn't get enough blame.

If only he could hit a jumper on a regular basis - then Gilbert's comments would make sense, AJ would not be hurt, and Brendan and Etan would make the world a better place.

Stop the madness! Let's get back to blaming Jarvis for everything.

Posted by: Shotgun | February 12, 2007 2:35 AM

Shut up and play ball.

The Redskins should hire a general manager.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | February 12, 2007 2:38 AM

Uh oh....the team is fighting & pointing fingers AND NOW...the fans are doing the same on the blog.

Geesh guys! Like wei says: stay on an even keel.

Don't all panic @ once now. We look rediculous.

Posted by: Victor | February 12, 2007 3:00 AM

Wait a second. Two weeks ago, this team was #1 in the conference, unbeatable at home and the fans were chanting "MVP" at Zero. Now, we have the the star player and the coach sniping at each other in the press, the team has lost four out of five and Zero/Caron are cold as ice.

What is going on here? All of this because Jamison went down? The team needs to beat Philly on Wed. night and take a breather during the break.

Posted by: Bullets Fan in L.A. | February 12, 2007 3:10 AM

Haywoode has been talking these last 3 years, but what he says has been proven to be true. When he gets his PT and gets his touches, he produces. Keep in mind that he's not just guarding his own man, but also the rim when Arenas "oh lays" his man in order to run down the court on a fast break.

What is Arenas complaining about with having to play defense as an excuse when he's ignored pleas for better D because he hasn't played a drop of defense since he's been here?

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 12, 2007 6:40 AM

EJ apparently does not feel that his team can be as effective absent AJ based on his public comments.that comment affects the team. Other teams lose their stars to injury and still compete effectively each game.EJ needs to get his act together and coach this team .Shaq was out for a long stint,his team competed;Melo was out,his team competed;Tim Ducan was out for a while,his team competedand won. Why can't the Wizard's compete? The players need to step up and so does the coach.

Posted by: joyron | February 12, 2007 7:22 AM

Only in Washington (home of a government in which no one ever accepts responsibility for failure) would a guy have a putrid game and then blame it on the coach!

Funny that a month or so Gil said something to the effect that if EJ left he wouldn't want to play here. So now he's throwing EJ under the bus. Nothing like loyalty!

With the baseball season approaching, I guess we should start expecting long speeches after games from guys who have just gone 0 for 5!

Get off it and play the game, Gilbert.

Posted by: Mitch | February 12, 2007 7:42 AM

Don't forget that during the post game press conference, not only did EJ dismiss/ignored Arenas' comments about having to play D, but also put it out there that the team was lacking on court leadership, as no one has stepped up.

The funny thing about Arenas complaining that he had to play D was that it almost sounded like Iverson complaining: "PRACTICE? YOU'RE TALKING TO ME ABOUT PRACTICE?"

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 12, 2007 7:43 AM

Question is who is Grunfeld going to back? A coach who's decent, or a high profile player whose contract is up for renewal soon. It would be the first time, if this back and forth BS continues between coaches vs. players, and players vs. players, that a coach is relieved of his duty. Keep in mind that it wasn't Grunfeld who brought EJ aboard.

Also, I want to see Arenas put his money where his mouth is. He said early in the season that he didn't want a contract like KG's or AI's that killed the team where they couldn't bring in any good free agents, that he was willing to accept less money. If Arenas is a straight shooter, I want to see him do that. What has convinced me otherwise is that Arenas was supposed to be antiestablishment, antisocial, and antilimelight, but then cried about not getting it, and then threw himself a coming out birthday party.

Once again, if Arenas is injured, as he's been complaining about a sore shoulder, I want to see him step down from the All star game festivities and take the time to heal up and get ready for the other 1/2 of the season. I doubt if he will, because he loves the limelight.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 12, 2007 7:49 AM

And we let Juan Dixon go because of ????

Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2007 8:25 AM

I don't think Grunfeld wanted to sign EJ to an extension. Gil forced his hand with his comments.

The only reason this has all come to a head is because Gilbert has shot about 38 percent since the Utah game. And if he's not shooting well, what other dimension does he bring to the team? Additionally, this team started the season incredibly poorly, so what we're seeing now is nothing new, and to me, at the moment, looks like a truer indication of this team's mental makeup. They're easily shaken. They're also too loose. Their whole "a-win-is-a-win" mentality has been a problem for a while now.

Posted by: Colin | February 12, 2007 8:30 AM

"Only in Washington (home of a government in which no one ever accepts responsibility for failure) would a guy have a putrid game and then blame it on the coach!"

Uhh, have you actually ever watched any other sports team, anywhere?

This is hardly unique, especially for a young guy who's suddenly been handed a lot of cash and a spotlight. He's embarrassed himself, and foolishly chose to make excuses rather than own up.

Those of you with kids will recognize this as not earth-shattering at all.... :/

Posted by: Gack | February 12, 2007 9:07 AM

I think there usually is some truth to comments even made in anger or frustration. Should Arenas and Jordan have gone off like they did? No, of course not. Will it have repercussions? Maybe. I think the most harmful statement made yesterday was Jordan's that the team doesn't have enough talent. How'd you like to be a player and hear that your coach doesn't think you have the talent (not the skill or effort, which can be corrected by good coaching) to be a good player in the NBA? And why did he say it? Blameshifting, of course -- "it's not my fault, my players aren't talented enough."

Same with Gilbert. His point about players looking over their shoulder waiting for a quick hook probably is a good one. And it's interesting that Jordan stressing defense and pulling guys when they messed up on that end was such a shock to Gilbert, as if Jordan had never done that before. Hmm. But the rest was just excuse-making and finger pointing, proving Jordan's point about leadership. But Gilbert won't be a true leader for another 8 years or so, so it falls on Butler.

I think we are now seeing more clearly how Jamison came into a team that hadn't made the playoffs in years and turned it into a team that hasn't missed the playoffs since. The ultimate glue guy, and maybe that explains why he made the World Championship team and Gilbert didn't.

Posted by: Henry | February 12, 2007 9:14 AM

All this panic....I swear I'm on the Redskins blog!

Yes, the Wiz have been playing horribly...since Jamison went down. Not before. For weeks and months most of you were screaming "Trade Jamison" - what do you have to say now?

I don't believe that Eddie does not get along with the players - I've heard AD and Caron talk about how they love playing for him. And DeShawn Stevenson recently stated that he wants to stay with the team. Losing brings out the worst in everyone.

Incidentally, the Suns have been losing since Nash got everyone panicking in Phoenix? Calling for the coach's head? I realize we are nowhere near the level of the Suns but you get my point.

Posted by: Lisa | February 12, 2007 9:28 AM

Well, our bench really, really, really sucks, and the only we can have any success is to stay away from them as much as possible. Losing Antawn forces us to go to our sucky, sucky bench, which lets defenses focus on Gilbert and Caron and just makes life miserable all around. Arvis I'm talking about you, Mr. Preseason 6th man of the year.

Posted by: Zonker | February 12, 2007 9:42 AM

It's kind of funny, isn't it, that all of a sudden when the losing starts, we all find it very disturbing that Eddie Jordan is saying things that aren't nice about his players? It seems like not very long ago that we were complaining about EJ being maybe too much of a player's coach, not hard enough on them, not willing to give them a hard time and give them a "my way or the highway" approach to forcing them to play defense even if it's not fun.

Maybe he is being too rough on them now, I don't know. But I don't think they're such delicate flowers that being called out in public is going to scar their psyches forever. (At least, I sure hope not.) I think they can recognize that they're being shown up because they allowed themselves to be shown up by the Trailblazers. That is, it's not (again, I hope) that EJ doesn't have any faith in them or believe in them as players. It's that they performed very badly in the last few games and he's frustrated with their results, and presumably also their effort (which certainly has seemed lacking to my own non-professional eyes).

Posted by: Josh | February 12, 2007 9:52 AM

I think the latest woes prove that this is a very delicate team that's not deep at all. People who jumped on the bandwagon when things were going good and were screaming MVP for Arenas were probably either dumb or naive. They got too cocky for their own good, and now have egg on their face. You'll never hear Jamison scream "hibachiiiiii..." or throw himself a self congratulating party or publicly lobby himself to be a starter on the all star game.

Arenas worrying about being yanked is a copout excuse for his poor play and lack of D. EJ would not cut his nose to spite his face. He knows Arenas is his bread and butter.

EJ lives with the fact that Arenas does not play D nor does he have good shot selection. Kobe's words rang true for the Blazers game. Poor shot selection which which this time came to a head because the shots didn't go in. If you're shooting 3 for 15, then you know you're off that day, so step up your D and your rebounding.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 12, 2007 10:04 AM


We let Juan Dixon go because he *wants to go* in peruse of a starting position. He did not want the role of the "microwave" Vinie Johnson (at least at that time).


I think what EJ said was the team doesn't have enough talent "on the court;" meaning Songaila and Ruffin had been out and not 100% yet. This basically mirrors what I said earlier that the problem with loosing Jamison is magnified by the team lacking PFs and reliable bench.

Gil is known around the league as having "the greenest light" for his shooting, and his relationship with EJ was cozy. Was EJ giving Gil too much freedom? I don't know. I just hope Gil does not turn into another AI.

Posted by: sagaliba | February 12, 2007 10:09 AM

I do have to commend Butler though. Saw him interviewed by Comcast and he basically said they were horrible and that he was embarrassed. He is a stand up guy as is Daniels and Jamison.

Posted by: Lisa | February 12, 2007 10:13 AM

Love the Wizards and have been a fan of the franchise, since the Baltimore Bullets.
The frustration is palpable.
You can not win in the NBA, without strength in the middle. Like trying to consuistently win w/out a quality QB in the NFL. The Wizards are the poorest excuse for a contender. They have consistently played outmanned underneath.
Brendan Haywood has a tremendously inflated sense of himself. He is at best a 10 minute a game contributor.
What is with that jump outs of his to defend guards, and consistently leave the inside wide open?
Etan is a class act. Limited in skills, like every big on this team. It does not take a lot of imagination to see that Haywood resents Thomas for his big contract.
But doesn't this all come down to the coach and GM?
EJ has shown me nothing. He coaches as if his job is on the line every game. Too much time for the big 3, and no good minutes for his young bench players. I watch every Laker game, and Phil plays all of his young men, yes including Kwame, when he is not hurt. He establishes confidence and court presence for all of his players.
The defense of thie Wizards team is ridiculous. The coaching staff has to take responsibility for the scheme or lack therof.
The coach has to take responsibility for having the right players on the floor and in the best positions.
This is consistently not done with this team and the coach and GM are to blame.
Remember Jeffries, a complete non skill player, and yet he was starting. At least Isaiah know now that he overpaid for a very limited player, and yet he would be starting now for Jordan.
It is inexplicable that he brings in Hayes to play forward and start in AJ's abscence. I wonder why he ever plays, no shot, slow and can't jump, seems to be EJ'S ideal player.
What is the status of the 2 top draft choices that are playing for experience in Russia.
What happened to one of the best point guards in Europe we drafted from Spain. We only have 2 draft choice playing on this team, Hayes and Blatche. Hayes is obviously expendable, and has no real position. Blatche shows tremendous skills and court sense, and should be starting and on the floor.
I do believe that when Gilbert complains about the coach, he is refering to the Blatche situation. He has more skills than any other big man on the team, and yet rides the pines. This is a bad coach making bad decisions and is going nowhere. The owner loves him as a son, just like the disastrous Wes Unseld era, which was pathetic for too many years.
Anyone could continually play the Big 3, 40 Plus minutes every game and compete, but coaching involves implementaion and utilization of the whole team for the long run.
This staff is just being paid back for their incompetence.

Posted by: michael ricklen | February 12, 2007 10:40 AM

It takes a loss to a lowly team like the Blazers to finally realize the Wizards have one of the worst benches in the NBA.

I've been sayin repeatedly, the Wizards can't win w/ a supporting cast of scrubs. Andray Bulletproof Blatche sucks, Jarvis SUCKS, Songailia is a JOKE, Booth should be in the NBDL, and on the bench in the NBDL.

Now they've lost 4/5, and its apparent the Wizards aren't a team like the Suns who can replace any starter and still win games.

It's time to trade Etan Thomas whos been more of a distraction then anything else w/ his latest fight w/ Brendan Todd Haywood. I think he'd be better off writing his pansy poetry elsewhere, maybe in Boston? Boston's in need of a center and they've got some young talent that's 1000% more of an upgrade then the crap we have sitting on our bench.

1 man's loss has lead to this teams demise and that's not a sign of a good team at all.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 10:50 AM

O yeah and one more thing Where are all the Blatche supporters now? And don't give me that crap that Blatche is a young buck w/ no experience blah blah blah. It's time to step up or SHUT UP.

Please don't give me the Blatche - Kevin Garnett comparisons anymore. Blatche is NO Kevin Garnett. People say well he's long and lean and athletic, yeah well so is Ha Seung Jin and we've all seen what he's done. Just because your Long and Lean, that means Jack Diddly Squat.

He's gettin molested out there more than a kid on Michael Jackson's ranch.
No experience? time to squelch that crap, there are plenty of straight outta highschool players w/ no NBA experience that's takin advantage of opportunities given to them, LOOK at Monta Ellis, look at Al Jefferson. These guys stepped in and have produced w/ the opportunities theyve been given, so don't give me that hes a young buck no experience crap anymore, Looks like another Kwame Brown in the making, lets give him another 3 years to develop.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 11:05 AM

So, how was your weekend, aJ?

Posted by: Marc | February 12, 2007 11:11 AM

I think this is great for this team. Seriously. Mike Wise drilled it on the head today. You cannot watch this team, right now, and think we have enough pieces to compete. Windows are SO SMALL in the NBA. Please Ernie...please! Make a move! Anything.

Posted by: Bernard King | February 12, 2007 11:13 AM

"What is with that jump outs of his to defend guards, and consistently leave the inside wide open?"

Because that's what a center is supposed to do in a pick-and-roll. If the center cannot come back in time, the inside guy is supposed be picked up by PF, and then the center rotate to pick up opponent's PF. The problem with Wizards is that they don't have a PG that can defend opponent's center. So when a center does his job, the inside becomes open. Do you think Haywood "like" to defend guard?

I do not want to get into the scrabble between Etan and Haywoood, but how is Etan "a class act?" I guess in your logic, Etan was punished by the management for being "a class act!"

Posted by: sagaliba | February 12, 2007 11:15 AM

Look, the Wizards weren't as good as their run Nov/Dec and they aren't as bad as they look now. Fortunately that good run gives them enough of a cushion to absorb a bad 10 game streak. The All-Star break will also provide a nice "timeout" on this streak.

The Wiz are way off-synch without Jamison. It is disappointing that the players aren't reacting better, both on and off court, but it is not particularly a surprise, and neither is the poor defense of late. This team thrives defensively off of its offense. As much as Jamison is hit or miss, he almost always delivers a streak of scores during the game. When that happens, the team focuses.

Scoring wise, you have two streak scorers in Antawn and Gilbert, and one steady scorer in Caron. This provides nice balance. We don't have that balance now - there is a vacuum in terms of scoring streaks as with only one light it up guy, there are dead spots in our offense. The bench hasn't cut it and now that is highlighted.

What the team needs is someone dynamic on the bench, a 15 minute guy who can come in cold and shoot or slash (or both). A guy who can bail you out if he plays well, or get the quick hook if he isn't. There are lots of players out there who should be getable at a reasonable price - they aren't starters, and won't be, but are a significant upgrade over anyone on our bench with the exception of AD.

As for yesterday's game, as with San Antonio (albeit with vastly less talent), Portland is a methodical, well coached team. They play careful defense, which disrupts flow focused offensive teams like the Wizards. While their offense is soft, the roster has NBA players, and the Wizards defense is inadequate against any NBA team.

FInally, I noticed in the paper the other day in an article by Michael or Ivan (sorry guys can't remember which), Jamison was aware that lots of folks want him traded. Obviously in retrospect, those of you who took that position ought to re-think it. More importantly, as fans let's be conscious that the players hear us. . .

Posted by: charles jones | February 12, 2007 11:17 AM

Gil should know better now then to talk some smack and say he going to drop 50 on a kid from Fort Wash.

MD stallions representing.

Posted by: dc | February 12, 2007 11:32 AM

Great comments by Sags, Bernard and The Secret Weapon. You guys are part of the reason this blog hasn't totally descended into Redskins Insider status.

aJ, all I can say to you is this: Prozac, dude. I still think Blatche can play. If you like Boston's bench so much, you're welcome to switch teams, as far as I'm concerned.

BTW, smart guy -- Jefferson has logged 3500 minutes of playing time over his career, Ellis 2500.

Blatche has 442. You can't contribute big numbers when you don't have the experience or game time to do it.

Next time you want to try and sandbag one of our players, maybe try comparing apples to apples, k?

Posted by: Gack | February 12, 2007 11:35 AM

Is James Lang still on the team? if so what is the point of his existence, to show off his new pearly white L.A. gear shoes he bought at 50% discount at Payless?
He does jus about as much for the team as I do sitting in front of my computer in my parents basement in my underwear, meaning he does NOTHING.
Cut him, find someone in the NBDL and give him a shot. Look at Abubike in Indiana, Come on Ernie time to start playin GM and make some moves man! Don't tell me there arent players in the NBDL, look at Mikki Moore, starting and contributing, Abubike, There's a guy scoring 20 ppg in the NBDL Jawad Williams, 6-9 UNC guy can contribute way more than James Lang or Andray so why not sign him.
A reasonable trade idea: Etan for Al Jefferson + Ryan Gomes. Ernie likes young talent, and Boston needs a veteran.

Eddie Jordan isn't the problem here, its the players that he has to work with, so get off his coaching strategy, hes a proven winner in NJ and in DC, but no matter how good of a coach you are you can't win with Cal Booth as your starting PF I mean come on lets get real.

And I'd like to comment on Gilbert's calling out of former TEAM USA coaches. I'm actually in agreement w/ his grudge against these guys. Nate Mcmillen was quoted as saying, " maybe gil will realize that the coaches had nothing to do w/ personel decisions". Is this guy a bald faced liar or what. You're tellin me that the coaches had no input what so ever in who's in or out on the team???? yeah Jerry made the final OK, but you think that he didn't get any input from his coaches? So I guess when he asked them what they thought about such and such player the coaches just nodded at everything he said like bobbleheads and never once said, yeah this guy's expendable, we dont need him. Yeah ok keep dreaming, these guys had everything to do w/ who was or wasn't on the team, and I'm glad Gil's dropping 50 and callin these guys out. After the TEAM USA roster was made, there was no reasoning, no justification, nothin from the coaches on why they got rid of Gil. And now that he's out assasinating their teams, all of a sudden they gotta pretend like they had nothin to do w/ it in FEAR that he wont drop 100 on them. So for once I'd like to see these coaches man up and say look we made a mistake not putting Gil on the team, and I misjudged his talent and please let me apologize for putting in Bruce Bowen, leading to an embarrasing 3rd place finish. Nuff said

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 11:54 AM

Much as I dislike players taking pot-shots at their coaches, I think Gilbert is right. The Wizard's strength, even minus Antawn, is still on the offensive end. You can't take a team that's been winning with offense all year, stop on a dime, and say, "OK, now be the '88 Pistons".

The Wizards are playing like exactly what they are: a team trying to do something that is completely out of character. They're focusing on something they're just not capable of at this point (winning with defense), and it's killing them on both ends of the floor.

The Wizards will bust out of this when EJ tells Gilbert to just go out and go Hibatchi. And since I think EJ is a pretty bright guy, I'm predicting a monster game from Gil tomorrow in Philly, which will free up a lot of shots for everyone else (including a 25+ point night for Caron).

Posted by: burke | February 12, 2007 12:07 PM

Yeah, I know, it's -Wednesday- in Philly, not tomorrow. I'm seeing so far into the future, I thought it was tomorrow already.

Posted by: burke | February 12, 2007 12:08 PM

good maybe gilbert is listening...

you can slash and burn...only 3 FT is a good indication that gilbert was no where near the basket...

why shoot the three all night if its not going in? simple question? or too complex?

I think EJ is challenging gilbert to step up...hope it works...enough whining...25 is old enough to throw a big party....should be old enough to play as a "teammate" .... good teams play defense gil...sorry

Posted by: crash | February 12, 2007 12:08 PM

Monta's logged in x amount of minutes Jefferson's logged in y amount Heard it all before and it's a buncha nonsense.

Look if Blatche had put up one 16 point game w/ 10-12 boards out of the 5 horrible games hes played w/ starter minutes, I'd honestly say this kid looks like he has some potential. But thats the point man HE HASN't! can't this guy score more than 5 ppg?? Jamison's out I mean theres no exucses.

I'm not askin for much, I'm not sayin put up Garnett numbers, but w/ starter minutes and a guy thats tryin to prove hes worth his weight you gotta drop 16 and grab 10 to prove you have starter potential. Right now hes playin as if he has 9th or 10th man potential and he aint better then Jarvis man. Same production, no quality minutes.

Also yeah Monta's played more minutes but before he became a starter, he was a guy just like Andray rotting on the bench because J Richardson was starting. And when J Rich was injured LOOK at Monta, hs guy, young buck stepping right in there and droppin 12-15 ppg. Grant it in the beginning he didnt do that every night but at least he put up those numbers 3/5 games. Same thing w/ Jefferson man, time to stop the excuses, and call a spade a spade, this guy hasn't taken advantage when he should. Sign of a weak immature player a la kwame brown. It's a shame that so many second round, undrafted, and NBDL players are producing while we have these project players like Blatche. Here's another project player in the second round to think about HA SEUNG JIN.

And look if you cant score then at least grab 12-15 rebounds and block 2-3 shots, I mean if he's so Garnett like that's the least he should do.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 12:13 PM

maybe it was gil's whining that kept him off the TEAM it was TEAM USA not GILBERT USA...which may have been entertaining...but not very efficient...

Posted by: crash | February 12, 2007 12:16 PM

Today's article was very insightful and informative. Arenas really showed no maturity at all, and even when Jamison dragged him away from the reporters, Arenas didn't have sense enough to stay away, but came back for more.

The back and forth exchanges as documented by Michael Lee reminds me of the expose that Richard Justice wrote about Rex Chapman who was screwed over by the Bullets who didn't own up to their promise for a contract extension. Justice was able to quote Chapman who says that his only wish afterwards was to meet John Nash in a dark alley.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 12, 2007 12:33 PM

brandon gets about 2-3 blks a game...he's get more rebounds if he wasn't chasing Gilbert's man....

just a thought

Posted by: crash | February 12, 2007 12:35 PM

""And look if you cant score then at least grab 12-15 rebounds and block 2-3 shots, I mean if he's so Garnett like that's the least he should do.""

Hmmmmmmm lets see who in the NBA is averaging these numbers.


Garnett 12.5 reb 1.8 blk
Camby 12.2 reb 3.1 blk
Chandler 11.9 reb 1.8 blk
Howard 11.9 reb 1.8 blk
Boozer 11.9 reb 0.3 blk
Okafor 11.3 reb 2.8 blk

So the numbers you threw out only ONE person in the NBA is currently averaging that (12 rebs and 2 blks). ONE

I have one word for your expections

Ludicrous : )

And lets look at these players really quick. What does each of those player besides Boozer have in common??? hmmmmm


It is unreasonable to expect Blatche to put anywhere near those type of numbers being a kid out of high school and a late second draft pick in his first year of playing time. Hell no Wizard in the last 10 years have put up those types of number yet you expect a green kid to do so?

Man some of you are nuts.

Posted by: dc | February 12, 2007 12:38 PM

aJ put the crackpipe down please. Reasonable? Etan for Jefferson and Gomes? rofl Jefferson was deemed untouchable (wrong or right) when they were chasing AI and you think they're going to part w/ Jefferson PLUS Gomes for ETAN with his big contract? There goes your credibility...

Posted by: lol | February 12, 2007 12:42 PM

Methinks les Boules need to sign Sun Ming Ming, the 7'9", 370lb giant to play some real defense on this team. He'll make Yao Ming look like a picket fence, and Shaq like a bald Gary Coleman. It'll be a marketing coupe for sweet suzy O'malley.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 12, 2007 12:43 PM

hey dc nice stats there but you need to learn to read.

First of all I didn't say I expect Blatche to do that every night, I said in order for him to prove he has starter potential he should put up 16 grab 10-12 boards at least 1 game in his pathetic nba career.

Your stats are giving averages, basically they prove that these players do it every other night in the NBA. I'm asking Blatche, who you guys claim has this unlimitless potential to be Garnett like to put up 16 and grab 10 ONCE!

Get real man this kid isn't proving his weight. We're watching a sequel to a korean movie made in portland, its called HA SEUNG JIN part 2.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 12:44 PM

lol, im sure that boston's 18 game losing streak shows that they're players are untouchable. Come on lay off the heroin man, and wake up!
Etan would fit in well in Boston bc a) they need a veteran presence, and b) they're intellectual types who love poetry and beatin the crap outta people kinda like how etan writes his poetry about peace and love while he sucker punches a teammate.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 12:50 PM

aJ: Maybe that crack is harming your short term memory. Just three games ago Blatche had 14 points, 7 rebounds in 17 minutes. There's the one game you are hollerin' for.

Posted by: to aJ | February 12, 2007 1:01 PM

Again, Arenas is all about Arenas. Remember - "The best offense is a good defense." The botton line is he couldn't make good on his threat of droppin "50"!
They looked lightly on Portland,dissed em, especially Arenas & Portland methodically took his butt to school. He's been in the NBA 5 yrs maybe more he knew it was comin.

The statements he made if you read closely are Arenas doing something called "backtracking" or back-peddling"

Remember, Jamison was pulling him away from the reporters trying to get him to avoid the reporter. His ego wouldn't let him.

His first 2-3 statements were "all Arenas first thoughts. He was pissed.

Ivan's question put the onus on Arenas.
He blamed EJ all the way. Jamison kept pulling him aside. But he kept on.. he started to calm down and the questions were being directed towards his own personal play - he started s having second thoughts about what he was saying..Notice, he started to parrot EJ's words and talking about "we need to do it" instead of continuing to make the sarcastic remarks. Thanks to Jamison pulling him aside - and reporters directing questions about "HIS GAME"
He simply caught himself & started thinking he better change his attitude.
Some players - when really pissed simply "refuse to speak to the press" & gone on about their business. Even Rasheed Wallace has done as much. Now, please don't give that crap that Arenas is "young". He's been around the league a long time. He knows better. He just lost himself. Pride, ego & temper got the better of him unfortunately.

They need Jamison to give some sanity and stability to the team. They don't care how soft on defense he is. Jamison openly criticised GA for yelling "Hibatchi" & giving threats to teams and tries to tell him to let their "game as a team speak for them." But GA has been about promoting GA. Still, Jamison was pulling him away from the reporters as he chided his coach & teammates to the world.

Haywood, you can get in line. Arenas is another story - he has his own agenda.

ABC Sports last nite - as the sports reporter finished the peace on the Wiz - you could hear the entire TV floor crew laughing.

I said last week and before, EJ is having one hell of a time coaching this team with them watching Arenas. He said that in the press conference. Unless somebody here has coached before professionally & or has a Ph.D. in Psych - there isn't much we can say about EJ's handling of the team.

And P.S. Remember early in the season - Ivan wrote about Avery Johnson YELLING at his players on the sideline? If you didn't come to play - get your a-- off the f----g floor!! I'll sit your A-- down!

Its not foreign.

Posted by: JP | February 12, 2007 1:02 PM

lmao the wizz are in trouble they have never been a threat in a weak east.....the raptors could very well take them out in a series even the magic to a smaller degree and those arent the "upper tier" of the east eddie arenas beeffin over defense leadership wont get the team anywhere even when twan comes back....pistons and heat thats it ......then there are the bulls the wizz raps and magic after the wizz need to try and make a move for a low post presence period and play a little defense then they can be taken serious till then the wizz are one step from a early playoff exit or better yet the lotto ....

Posted by: whos the best 5 in the east? | February 12, 2007 1:03 PM

Also in the original movie HA SEUNG JIN, Ha dedicated the movie to all those who believe that 2nd round projects should log starter minutes, and for those that believed that he had unlimited potential because he was long and lengthy.

Hed like to thank fans that were delusional and mostly high to believe he could step in and take advantage of a starter goin down and show off his skills but most of all hed like to thank you all for believing in projects like him so they can get a fat NBA paycheck.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 1:03 PM

Oh and Ha would also like to thank Andray Blatche for his future friendship and teammate in the NBDL.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 1:05 PM

Hey DC gotta take the syringe out ur arm man, 14 points against the sonics?? and in garbage time?? and then wat does HA SEUNG JIN i mean Andray Blatche do against portland? JACK DIDDLY squat.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 1:09 PM

It's not like Eddie Jordan is thrilled to be playing Jarvis, guys. He said so himself in the press conference, something along the lines of "and frankly, we just didn't have enough talent out there." Who else is there at guard behind Deshaun, AD and Gil? Would you rather see Roger Mason in there? Sorry, but Jarvis is their best option right now off the bench even if he sucks, which he does. That's Ernie Grunfeld's fault. He should've held onto Juan Dixon or Tyron Lue.

Posted by: Ben | February 12, 2007 1:10 PM

Hey Agent 0, oops, I mean Agent '9', maybe instead of screaming 'Hibachi' and basking in your wonderfulness after a shot, maybe you should pick up your man on 'D'? Your teammates might appreciate it.

Can't wait to hear the b.s. posted on the blog. Thought sure you'd be up early this morning posting about the '50' you dropped on Nate McMillan. Didn't happen, never will.

Posted by: Mike in Portland | February 12, 2007 1:15 PM

I don't usually get into it directly, but Jefferson and Gomes for Etan is probably more ridiculous in terms of plausibility than some of the Antawn and three scrubs and a first round pick for KG. First, as stated above, the Celtics believe Jefferson will become the man (they still feel the pain of letting Joe Johnson go). Right or wrong, the potential is there. Etan is what he is. Second, the Celtics have NO desire to win now. They are playing the Oden/Durant season this season. Not entirely sure that Etan being added to their roster would move them more frequently into the W column, but presumably a trade like that would indicate the intention to do that, which doesn't exist in Boston right now.

No one is going to take Etan's contract anyway (except maybe Isiah or McHale). We need someone who can bring energy off the bench. Realistically, that means someone no bigger than Jarvis (any bigger with the type of skills needed wouldn't be available), spend a second round draft choice, and take some money off of someone else's books/fleece a team that wants to lose to work the lottery - that's the only way it will work.

Where oh where is Don McLean when we need him.

Posted by: charles jones | February 12, 2007 1:21 PM

Pandemonium and mayhem have broken out in blog land.

Extremists love to be loud.

Posted by: Nickels | February 12, 2007 1:22 PM

Charles Jones,

Throw in Andray into the mix if Boston cares so much about unlimited potential, Andray and Etan for a Ryan Gomes or Jefferson seems more than plausible.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 1:23 PM

oh and thanks and likewise gack.

Posted by: charles jones | February 12, 2007 1:23 PM

oh and thanks and likewise gack.

Posted by: charles jones | February 12, 2007 1:23 PM

People that have no point and are complacent to change usually say nothing and are reserved, pretty much have nothing to say or offer. Thanks for proving it thru ur post.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 1:26 PM

Mike in Portland: Gotta hand you some props; it must be tough maintaining your swag when your team's 8 games under .500 and the poster child for "disfunctional franchise". You go girl!

Posted by: burke | February 12, 2007 1:28 PM

AJ, I think Blatche is doing pretty good considering he had to recover from a gunshot wound that slightly missed his artery last year. That pretty muched delayed his progress as a first yr player. Also how can this guy shine if you got 3 or four other players not giving up the ball on offense and just putting up bad shots? Also if you notice, nobody really sets him up on offense that's why he looks kinda of lost on the floor. Blatche was the highest scorer in the team during the summer league. In the Portland game, he kind of matched the numbers and percentages of Gil, Caron, Brendan, Deshawn so really nobody stepped up big that game.

It might be good for Gilbert to just stop blogging. Watch some film of how Bruce Bowen does defense! He probably needs more stamina if he is the goto guy on offense and play mad on defense as the legs do get tired playing intense in both aspects.

Posted by: bdunkadunk | February 12, 2007 1:32 PM

I think we should cut Jarvis some slack. He's just recovering from multiple knee problems and was pretty good up until he got hurt. Also, I wouldn't bash Andray too much. He should be a high school sophomore right now, and if Les Boules are relying on Andray to produce, we are in a sorrier state than we can imagine.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 12, 2007 1:33 PM

The Wizards have now outscored the opposition this year by a total of 6 points. Maybe they are just a mediocre team that has been lucky to get some close wins, and will end up 6th or 7th seed in the East.

Posted by: Henry | February 12, 2007 1:37 PM

aJ you are higher than a kite. Comparing Jefferson or Ellis to Blatche and saying both were in the same situation and were benchwarmers who played their way off the bench but Andray hasn't, is just false.

BOTH those guys came into the league averaging more minutes per game than Andray has EVER played in but a handful of games this season. I don't care who you are, you don't get a whole lot of chance to "show something" when you're in the game for 6,5,0,1,2,6 minutes a game.

And of course Jefferson and Ellis got lots of playing time. Maybe you didn't remember how horrible both teams have been over the past couple of years (Paul Pierce's singlehanded willing of the Leprechauns into a first round exit in 05 notwithstanding).

Blatche nearly dies in a carjacking, misses all of his training and conditioning with the team, and then joins a team making its first back-to-back playoff run in decades that is generally considered to be "on a roll".

Do you not see the vastly different circumstances behind these situations? If this team were 15 games under .500 like both the teams whose bench you're so excited about, I have no doubt Andray would be playing 20 minutes a game like both of those guys, and he'd probably be putting up the arbitrary numbers you're screaming for.

Arvis Hayes might be able to put up 20ppg, too, if we let him take 100 shots a game, but that doesn't really help you win basketball games, now does it?


"Look if Blatche had put up one 16 point game w/ 10-12 boards out of the 5 horrible games hes played w/ starter minutes, I'd honestly say this kid looks like he has some potential. But thats the point man HE HASN't! can't this guy score more than 5 ppg?? Jamison's out I mean theres no exucses."

Because I love dropping science, let's look at the first full year of play for all three of your comparison subjects.

40 games w/ 15+ min (averaged 14.8 mpg)
in games w/ 15+ min, averaged:
8.75ppg, 6rpg, 0.4apg, 1.1bpg, 0.4spg

31 games w/15+ min (averaged 18.1 mpg)
in games w/ 15+ min, averaged:
9.06ppg, 2.77rpg, 2.2apg, 0.32bpg, 0.87spg

8 games w/15+ min (averaging 8.6 mpg)
in games w/ 15+ min, averaged:
6.75ppg, 6.625rpg, 1apg, 1bpg, 0.625spg

In other words, despite 4-5 times FEWER opportunities to play and lower than HALF the total minutes per game, Andray is outrebounding both your prized subjects,
is scoring only 2-3 ppg less than both did, and is dishing, blocking, and stealing at a rate comparable if not better than both.

Really, you should do some research before just shooting off at the mouth.

Posted by: Gack | February 12, 2007 1:38 PM


Plz don't give any more excuses, ok so now Blatche can't play cuz he got shot, half the players in this league have gotten shot, stephen jackson look at what hes doin in golden state man, come on your like an ostrich in heat, take the head out ur butt.

He had more than enough time to recovery, what was that like more than a year ago?? christ there are soldiers in iraq that get shot and are back on duty after 3 weeks, stop giving this kid more excuses he sucks, hes a joke, and hes not the answer.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 1:39 PM

charles jones,

Thanks for spelling it out for me, but you see why getting so detailed and putting legitimate supporting arguments to your cause doesn't get you anywhwere when you're dealing w/ delusionals? All for naught...

Posted by: lol | February 12, 2007 1:45 PM

your post just proved my point even more man, and thanks but no thanks you haven't convinced me that Blatche is anywhere in the same league as these guys.

And NO monta and jefferson never logged starter minutes from the get go and neither is Blatche, so that argument is NULL and VOID.

They earned their minutes by taking advantage of the opportunity given to them. Monta avging 9+ points per game in 15 plus, while Blatche avg's 6 in 15+, yeah that jus proves that Monta scored way more, remember this is averages were talkin about so every other game Monta had to drop in like 15. And your sayin that his rebounds are comparable to Blatche's?? hahaha Monta is a guard, and hes gettin as much boards as lengthy Garnett like Blatche? thats sad, No thats pathetic. And remember, Blatche is in his 2nd year, Monta in his second year, droppin 17 like it aint no thang, Jefferson? droppin 15 like he has somethin to offer..Blatche? not even in the same league please.

Thats all im sayin, Blatche doesnt drop 15 every now and then Christ hes only dropped 14 as his career high against the Sonics for petes sake. He SUCKS plain and simple, and the reason why i compare him to monta and jefferson, both these guys were right outta hs like blatche, both these guys were young bucks, AND lacked NBA experience, excuses that your giving Blatche for his numbers being down. But oh yeah Sorry they didn't get shot like Andray did so I guess that's why theyre so much better than him. A year to recover from a shot just isn't enough time. PUH LEASE. PUh lease stop w/ the excuses, tis gettin old.

NO wonder Eddie is sayin his team lacks talent, I feel sorry for him man I really do, not even Phil Jackson could expect to win with Andray Blatche as a starting pf. COME ON Andray give us 15 and 10 boards just one night for crying out loud.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 1:50 PM

Gack and charles jones, you see what I mean? rofl It may be clear ass day, but you can't win w/ these delusionals...

Posted by: lol | February 12, 2007 1:50 PM

Yo Burkinator, yes, it is tough maintaining the swag in P-Town with our lowly record. But come on, when a guy threatens to drop 50 on you, you can't help but gloat when he can't get 10. You would too, admit it. There's 30 games left, let's see where we end up when the dust settles.

Posted by: Mike in Portland | February 12, 2007 1:56 PM

We need to get aJ a job. Or a hobby.

Posted by: Joe | February 12, 2007 1:57 PM

Mike in Portland, your team beat us true, but we had Andray Blatche starting for christ sakes, Boston coulda beaten us with that sad sack of dump as our pf. Talk your talk when you beat us with Antawn Jamison as our starter.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 1:58 PM


We need to get you a girlfriend, and a life,

And no sitting in front of your computer in your tighty whities while eating your mommy's milk and cookies doesn't qualify as having a life. Your real alright , real dumb.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 2:00 PM

Gil and Eddie said what they said b/c both were blaming each other instead of keeping it internal and resolving the issue at hand. They both know better, not to let their emotions get the better of them right after a game. Both need to step up to the plate and accept responsibilities for the team's struggles. They obviously got the kudos when the team was hot. It goes both ways. There is a reason it's called a team and an organization - to help each other accomplish a singular goal. Now they need to refocus and go do it. Go All In?

Posted by: lol | February 12, 2007 2:03 PM

0,6,5,3,2,1, min a game huh...tell me Andray's minutes these past 5 games, better yet since Antawn went down, how many minutes has he been logging?

0,6,5,2,3,yeah ok speakin of arbitrary numbers, where'd you pull those numbers outta your losing lottery tickets? Tell me please how many minutes Blatche has been gettin then think about it real slow, I know its hard to keep up, but think about the minutes hes been gettin now and the production following it.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 2:13 PM

0,6,5,3,2,1, min a game huh...tell me Andray's minutes these past 5 games, better yet since Antawn went down, how many minutes has he been logging?

0,6,5,2,3,yeah ok speakin of arbitrary numbers, where'd you pull those numbers outta your losing lottery tickets? Tell me please how many minutes Blatche has been gettin then think about it real slow, I know its hard to keep up, but think about the minutes hes been gettin now and the production following it.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 2:14 PM

Maybe things will get better once dishonest Abe gets that Costco cake and everyone can have a piece.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 12, 2007 2:14 PM

aJ, the fact that you need 5 replies and still can't offer any statistical evidence to counter my argument, is a pretty clear sign that I'm done with you.

I mean, if you really think that what I posted proves your point, you're not just delusional, you simply don't understand stats, or maybe even basic math.

So, yeah, you're right. Andray is horrible. You win. Now please find somewhere else to be a blog cancer. kthxbye.

Posted by: Gack | February 12, 2007 2:40 PM

I wouldn't be acting as if I had any swagger just 'cos the Wiz have come out of being a putrid franchise the last 3 years.

Yeah, the Blazers are kinda crappy right now, but do we all need to remember HOW HORRIBLE THE WIZARDS/BULLETS WERE?

Posted by: 761-091 | February 12, 2007 2:42 PM

If you were a Bulls, Celtics, Lakers, Spurs fan I'd take that. But sorry, not hearing it from a Jail Blazers fan.

Posted by: Gack | February 12, 2007 3:00 PM

aJ wrote, "Plz don't give any more excuses, ok so now Blatche can't play cuz he got shot, half the players in this league have gotten shot, stephen jackson look at what hes doin in golden state man, come on your like an ostrich in heat, take the head out ur butt."

What the hell does getting shot (Blatche almost got killed) and shooting into the air (BY Jackson himself!) have anything to do w/ being in the same situation? And last I checked, Jackson is 27-28 and has been in the league for six or seven years now. I rest my case, now.

Posted by: lol | February 12, 2007 3:04 PM


You alls team is in a little rut and you guys are killing them! What fans!

Posted by: Anonymous | February 12, 2007 4:02 PM

"What does any of that have to do with going 1 for 15 from three-point range?"

Ivan, thanks for asking good questions and being direct to the players. I get the sense that Gil was backtracking a little bit there in regards to Jordan.

Looks like the wheels are starting to come off the bus. :(

One thing that kinda bugged me a while back is that thing Gil said about scoring 107 points but giving up 106. I never really liked that statement. For all of Jordans faults(at least in my mind) that one is squarely on the players. They don't want to play defense. Period.

For Gil to blame Jordan for him asking them to play more "D" is totally unacceptable. He really did throw Jordan under the bus....crazy.

This is the one thing I've been saying about Jamison all year. You don't have to like him as a player but his leadership is unmatched on this team.

I also found it funny that Gil mentioned "11 players in one period."

As many of you mentioned since October, this team has flaws and they are starting to get REALLY exposed.

Lisa, this is why we weren't entirely happy even when they were winning. It wasn't like we were complaining just becasue we were bored. As it turns out it might have only been an illusion. I hope they can pull it together for thier own goods.

Miami just went 7-1 in thier last 8 if I'm correct....not good.

"Let's get back to blaming Jarvis for everything."

Lol! Now you're talking. ;)

"The ultimate glue guy, and maybe that explains why he made the World Championship team and Gilbert didn't."

That's funny Henry, I said something similar back in November and everyone yelled at me on here. :)

"O yeah and one more thing Where are all the Blatche supporters now?"

Blatche is fine, he's just too young is all. I don't think he's ready to start and have felt Booth should be starting in Jamisons absense. Again, not the players fault. The coach should know who to rotations by now.

"The Wizard's strength, even minus Antawn, is still on the offensive end."

I completely agree burke, but they just don't want to play defense. But in all fairness I don't think that's entirely the players fault either. It's not like Jordan just started coaching this team, he should have instilled it in thier minds a couple years ago to play defense and he chose not too.

Sorry if I left out anyone, I've been saying for a while that Jordan is not the coach for this team. If this thing continues to go south then you're going to see Jordan go under the bus a few more times.

It's really not good when the players/coach vents thier frustrations though the media like that, something that I did not expect to see from this team and that worries me more then anything else.

When players stop listening to thier coach is when it gets really bad. Pray that doesn't happen or the season will be over.

"The funny thing about Arenas complaining that he had to play D was that it almost sounded like Iverson complaining: "PRACTICE? YOU'RE TALKING TO ME ABOUT PRACTICE?""

Yeah me too. :(

I thought Gil was better then that.

Now who asked me if I would trade Gil for Dwight Howard? ;);)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 12, 2007 5:26 PM

"You alls team is in a little rut and you guys are killing them! What fans!"

I haven't seen many of these "you alls" on here before. It's not always like this on here. Many of us who have been on here since pre-season are pretty good guys/girls.

I guess losing just brings out the best in everyone. :P

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 12, 2007 5:29 PM

"As much as Jamison is hit or miss, he almost always delivers a streak of scores during the game. When that happens, the team focuses."

Sorry I missed you there CJ. :)

I'll add one more thing to this. Jamison's scoring definately puts pressure on the other team to score. This also goes with what burke was saying.

From this point of view I agree with you both.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 12, 2007 5:36 PM


Posted by: SCOOBIE | February 12, 2007 5:44 PM

I dunno SCOOBIE, we might not be able to hear you there. ;)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 12, 2007 6:01 PM

For what it is worth, Grunfield was interviewed on Sports Talk 980 this afternoon. He said that Gilbert was upset about the loss (and they way he played) and just let his emotions get the best of him...and that he spoke without thinking. Grunfield said he has been in the business a long time and that stuff like this happens. When asked if he was going to fire Eddie Jordan (yes, the stupid reporters actually asked him that) - he said no and that it was a ridiculous question. When asked if the Wiz plans to make any trades, he said he did not know...that lots of talking would be going on at the All Star game. He did not sound like he plans to do anything, though.

Posted by: Lisa | February 12, 2007 6:23 PM

Yeah he scores alot - but no wonder he got cut from the National Team - he is a ***** ball hog. So he gets cut - then for "revenge" he says he is going to score 50 on teams with coaches affiliated with the national team. Notice he didn't mention winning? Notice he didn't mention beating teams? Or going to the playoffs? Notice he didn't mention anything about basketball that wasn't related to himself? He likes talking about "me". ME ME ME. He is a ***** ballhog, selfish, egocentric, childish ball player who thinks that points are the best way to get back at a coach. I mean, it certainly looks like now that the national coaches knew what they were doing when they cut him and eliminated his egocentric ways of thinking from the team. The funniest thing is that he hasn't even got the message - he's gone to an even greater extreme!

I could go on and on about this. But I believe an even bigger issue is his sense of entitlement, evidenced by his revenge tour on certain coaches and players this year. If he was really that entitled, wouldn't he be there? If he was so entitled, why is he trying to prove his case? He would be there. And here's the thing - he isn't! So sit down and shut up and go score your 50 on some highschool kids who think you're hilarious with your ***** stupid nba blog. You ***** celebrity you.

Posted by: Jonathan H | February 12, 2007 6:28 PM

It was just reported on SportNet that the Wiz had a "players only" meeting today. Also, Antawn said he had a long talk with Gil.

Posted by: Lisa | February 12, 2007 6:41 PM

Jonathan H:

Yawn. Nobody minded the revenge tour when he scored 60 and 50 in one week. Nobody minded it when he hit two walk-off game winners, or led this team to wins over Dallas, Phoenix, L.A., Utah, and Detroit.

Welcome to the bandwagon. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Posted by: Gack | February 12, 2007 7:35 PM

This is why Gilbert's revenge tour is justified so to all you Gilbert haters listen up

I'm actually in agreement w/ his grudge against these team usa fakers/coaches. Nate Mcmillen was quoted as saying, " maybe gil will realize that the coaches had nothing to do w/ personel decisions". Is this guy a bald faced liar or what. You're tellin me that the coaches had no input what so ever on who's in or out on the team???? yeah Jerry made the final OK, but you think that he didn't get any input from his coaches? So I guess when he asked them what they thought about such and such player the coaches just nodded at everything he said like bobbleheads and never once said, yeah this guy's expendable, we dont need him. Yeah ok keep dreaming, these guys had everything to do w/ who was or wasn't on the team, and I'm glad Gil's dropping 50 and callin these guys out.

After the TEAM USA roster was made, there was no reasoning, no justification, nothin from the coaches on why they got rid of Gil. And now that he's out assasinating their teams, all of a sudden they gotta pretend like they had nothin to do w/ it in FEAR that he wont drop 100 on them. So for once I'd like to see these coaches man up and say look we made a mistake not putting Gil on the team, and I misjudged his talent and please let me apologize for putting in Bruce Bowen, leading to an embarrasing 3rd place finish.

Posted by: aJ | February 12, 2007 8:04 PM

Man, some great posts by some true Wiz fans. Thanks for the contributions Gack, Charles, JP (not to be confused with JP2), et al.

Great news about Jamison too and the players only meeting. This is what the team needs right now.

Posted by: JP2 | February 12, 2007 8:47 PM

U damn right on that one Gack! See this is what I meant about REAL FANS. Everybody was a Gilbert fan when he was lighting people up. Now he has a bad streak where he's only scoring around 24 on 30% shooting and now all those people are jumping ship. U are not a fan. U are a **** Rider!

Posted by: C.Bell | February 12, 2007 8:48 PM

BTW, I agree with both Eddie and Gilbert's statements. The team does need to focus on playing better D. And i'm not talking about turning into San Antonio over night. Just closing out on 3 pt. shooters would be a start. And what was Eddie doing using the whole team in the 1st half? I always felt that he has the team on egg shells outside of the Big 3 (and Jarvis). You do play scared when you know that one mistake and you don't play again for 3 games. I think Gil was referring to either Blatche's playing time or maybe he was implying that the fight tween Haywood/Thomas could've been avoided if Eddie would establish a rotation. I'd fight for time to if I never knew the next time i'd get a chance to go in. But in the end, lets not go into panic mode just yet. Its too early for that.

Posted by: C.Bell | February 12, 2007 8:57 PM

Just two words.
TRADE JARVIS..........
Enough of the adjustment periods.. It's 50 games into the season, the excuse is old... This guy is so one-dimensional is not even funny... a 6'8 dude that only shoot jump shots...

Posted by: duanestryder | February 12, 2007 9:19 PM

Gack, Charlies Jones, Ray, Lisa thank you for not letting the haters and jerkoffs (DCman88, Mike, aj et al.) completely run amuck on this blog. All of you hating on Arenas, Jordan etc. need to button it. Does this team have problems especially on defense yes. And it is difficult for this team to find the right mix on offense w/out Jamison. Do Arenas and Jordan deserve some criticism yes. But they are still in the hunt for first place in the East and that would not be the case without the two of them.
Now that I have that off my chest, let me also say that the Blatche criticism is ridiculous. First Blatche (and Booth for those of you who took shots at him) played a lot of minutes in the second half against the Sonics when the Wizards were TRAILING and ignited a comeback victory. That in and of itself shows that Blatche is improving. And please remember Blatche came to the NBA right out of high school and has had one (ONE!) NBA training camp in his career.
Second Gilbert has hit a bad run in his shooting form, this isn't the first time nor will it be the last. Maybe his shoulder is bothering him, I don't know. And yes Gilbert needs to learn how to find a way to contribute every night that his shot isn't falling (like he did in the win over the Knicks), but he is one of the biggest reasons this franchise won its first playoff series in 23(!) years and can now challenge in the East this season. And no matter what some of you nattering nabobs of negativism say, they still can challenge in the East because EVERYBODY in the conference is flawed.

Whew I feel better.

Posted by: George Templeton | February 13, 2007 12:18 AM

What are we seeing?
1. A team that was winning despite consistently bad defense that has lost some of its offensive firepower and cannot make it up.
2. A weary, frustrated superstar who is tired of his coach rightly telling him that if he played better D the team would be in every game.
3. A team that had a weak bench that now has to rely on Ruffin and Songalia, 2 long-injured players', return to give them any depth.
4. A coach that has been talking about defense all year (remember training camp?) but now all of a sudden is trying to demand it via taking away playing time.
5. 2 centers who clearly don't like each other but who actually need each other to bring out their competitive juices on the court.

The next few weeks will be quite interesting. Is this thing salvagable? Many of us on this blog were noting for the last two months how frail the success seemed to be. The injury to Antwan has exposed our deficiencies sooner than anticipated. We expected to ride the wave till May, not February. However this just may be a blessing in disguise. It gives Jordan and Grunfeld time to put their heads together and try to remedy the situation. I think a clever trade may be exactly what we need. The great chemistry we heard about was clearly exagerated. With teams thinking of the cap and some maybe thinking of the lottery I am thinking that Ernie maybe able to pull off another one of his steals. This could be the time that we solidify our future with a deal that we would not have done if things were going better.

The only thing wrong with what Jordan said as I read it is that his rotations and coaching decisions have not been consistent with his verbal commitment to defense. His warnings all year have been unheeded. So Gilbert's frustration is understandable. But if he were the leader that Jamison clearly is, he would just agree with the coach, keep quiet and ply better. I hope after this players only meeting that they can get on the same page and just realize that Ernie is correct: defense is important. And I hope Ernie through his decisions shows that he is serious about that. A good sign is that He has less confidence in his small ball strategy. I think this shows that he just may be getting it.

My adjustments till Jamison returns would be the following:

*Start Blatche and make Arvis earn his time back. Have more realistic expectations for both of them.

*Expect vets like Stevenson and Daniels to pick up the scoring, not Blatche.

*And lastly, though we will never be a great defensive team, demand better defense so that we can win with less scoring.

In the long run, these changes would make us a better team in the playoffs. Who knows, maybe we can still get beyond the second round if we get it together. Now wouldn't that be nice!

Let's support the team and trust the GM.

Posted by: Bmore Rev | February 13, 2007 12:48 AM

I've learned that some ppl who shout the loudest in black & white, usually have very little to contribute in broad daylight.

Ignore them & they will go away.

Keep the conversation civilized like: Gack, Charlies Jones, Ray, Lisa,George Templeton & ppl of their ilk. Ad hominem attacks have no place in sports discussions.

Posted by: Victor | February 13, 2007 12:49 AM

George Templeton:

Thanks for agreeing w/ me on the fact that this team can't fill the scoring void thats been left w/ Jamison bein out. You even admit it yourself, so that being said,
Why the hell do you contradict yourself?

Blatche has replaced Jamison and he hasn't filled that void at all, so why support this bust.

OK lets put all stats aside, and just based on what we've observed, what we as fans have observed, do you honestly feel that Blatche is living up to his potential, feel comfortable with him starting, and is playing up to a level where you go Gee this guy really looks like someone who can come in and fill the scoring/rebounding/whatever void leftover if one of our bigmen go down.

Right now I guarantee you 90% of the people who truly follow Wizards ball don't think so. I mean nobody wants to admit it, hell I had hoped Blatche could come in and show potential when Jamison went down but he hasn't. You don't wanna face the truth, and you can't handle the truth.

HE IS NOT stepping up, HE SHouldn't be starting, WAKE the hell up people. Man some of you people must be sniffing glue, I'd really wish I could videotape a conversation between you and a sports analyst or a gm and go "hey uh i think that Andray Blatche is a really good player and uh he's just what the wizards need right now." They wont even give you a response in words, you know what theyll do? Theyll unzip their pants and literally urinate on your face, give you a golden shower, thats how ridiculous this thing is man, Calvin booth...andray blatche?? come on man these guys are JOKES, laughing stocks of the league, man NBDL players have more potential.

All your defenses on Andray Blatche is ...OH the kid was shot, or he's so young he only experienced one or 2 nba training camps, or oh he just doesnt get any minutes to you know this sounds like excuses that we made for Kwame Brown...he got shot? boo hoo cry me a river. Tell that to soldiers in Iraq or Stephen Jackson. no minutes? please hes been logging starter minutes, quality minutes, and has done jack diddly squat. Too young? 2 words Monta Ellis, another 2 words Al Jefferson. Nuff said proved my point, Good night

Posted by: aJ | February 13, 2007 12:51 AM

Monta Ellis is in a run and gun style with a coach that is not afraid to play him because the Warriors chances of making the playoffs and advancing are rare. Thanks to having more job security than most coaches and injuries Don Nelson can play Ellis as much as he wants and develop him. He can screw up however often and just learn from it. Comparing Ellis and for that matter Jefferon (with the Celtics in the shape they are in, Jefferson can afford to play however much he wants) to Blatche is not fair to Blatche and not based in reality. Again they have had full rookie years that didn't involve getting a slug in the chest and they have had two full NBA training camps plus a full offseason of work to get better, in the NBA that makes a huge difference for young players and there development.
Now I am not saying and have never said that Blatche would replace Jamison's scoring, there is no contradiction from me. And I wish Jordan had played Blatche more, but he is and will continue to get better if Jordan will give him the minutes to make a few mistakes and improve.
Bmore Rev has it right in his entire post but in particular on Daniels and Stevenson having to pick up the offense in Jamison's absence.

Thank you for the kind words Victor.

Posted by: George Templeton | February 13, 2007 1:22 AM

Don't waste your breath trying to explain George, that guy wants to believe what he wants to believe. Remember, Blatche should be putting up 17 and 10 RIGHT NOW. Because he hasn't done that in the eight games he's played for more than a handful of minutes, he clearly sucks and should be dumped.

Posted by: Gack | February 13, 2007 2:00 AM

I'd cut Roger Mason Jr. before I'd cut Andray Blatche. Mason was the 2nd pick in the 2nd round, and has ACC college experience. Small guards like Mason are a dime a dozen.

Skilled big men with some upside like Blatche are harder to find. If you're Blatche, you are hard pressed to get any touches with Arenas and Caron in the game. Go ask Brendan and Kwame about Arenas.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 13, 2007 8:14 AM

Kudos to aJ for an award-winning, incredibly prolific, blog-posting performance yesterday. Entertaining (if slightly scary) from start to finish. Someday a movie might be made about it, kind of a cross between "You've Got Mail" and "Dog Day Afternoon." Well done.

Posted by: Joe | February 13, 2007 11:01 AM

aJ if you want to pick on a Wiz 2nd round pick, pick on God Shammgod or something please.

2nd round picks.

2005 Andre Blatche
2004 Peter Ramos
2003 Steve Blake
2002 Rob Grizzard
2002 Juan Carlos Navarro
2000 Mike Smith
1999 Calvin Booth
1998 Jahidi White
1997 God Shammgod
1997 Predrag Drobnjak
1996 Ronnie Henderson
1995 Terrence Rencher

"Let's support the team and trust the GM."

Trust the GM??? I'm ready to give him the key to the city with the job he has done. Oh the memories of some of the moves Wes made.

Posted by: dc | February 13, 2007 11:30 AM

I agree. Truly. Train Blatch - use Daniels. Mason has been around league 6 + yrs - as you said 2nd rounder waived from Bulls, Toronto, Orlando has made little to no real prog - yes small guards are a dime a dozen. We need a good low-post player.

Is Blatch anything like the kid James White? I think he warms The Mav's bench.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 13, 2007 11:38 AM

Everybody's talking about getting Garnett, but we could have had Garnett if we didn't draft the long gone Rasheed Wallace instead. What was worse, drafting Kenny Green over Karl Malone, or Rasheed over KG? Speaking of which, if we need a bruiser, what is Jahidi doing these days?

Also, I checked and James White is only 6'7" while Blatche is 6'11". If Jahidi is not around, we should at least give Sun Ming Ming a tryout. We might need his 7'9", 370lb frame to go against Shaq if we play the Heat during the playoffs. They torch us every year.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 13, 2007 1:09 PM

aj, your rants are silly. Blatche is going to be a fine player and is the most talented player we have on our bench.

I would not have started him bc he is too "green", but when he comes off the bench and plays well he should be allowed to keep going.

I wish I did see this non-televised game now bc I like the idea of EJ pulling players for not playing D or making consistent mistakes on D. Gilbert needs to grow up!!! The only problem with this strategy by EJ is it's like getting strict with a 13-yr-old kid after being permissive for the first 12 yrs of their life. It's not so easy!!! The initial reaction is not going to be good. He should have done this from the first game of the season!

I must admit I underemphasized AJ's value to this team. Did not know his leadership would be sorely missed? Even on defense???? I did not, however, ever suggest trading him.

Ray, looks like our views and constructive criticisms during the "hibatchi" days are coming to fruition, but like someone said on this blog - they are not as bad as they are playing now and not as good as they were in December (including specifically Arenas).

Posted by: Rob P | February 13, 2007 2:05 PM

"Gack, Charlies Jones, Ray, Lisa thank you for not letting the haters and jerkoffs (DCman88, Mike, aj et al.) completely run amuck on this blog."

Add: Henry, DC, Nancy, George, B.rev, BK, CB, Vic, burke, Gov to that...sorry if I missed anyone. :)

For the most part I only look for the posts of the 10-15 of you have been here since the pre-season. I don't always quote all of you but I look for you. :)

I get hyper on occasion also, but it's more out of frustration then anything else. I think there's too much talent on this team for it to be playing the way that it is and that's frustrating to see as a Wizards fan.

"Ray, looks like our views and constructive criticisms during the "hibatchi" days are coming to fruition"

Yeah, but they're still young so we'll see. Jamison comes back they start winning again then this will all be moot. Remember how bad it was at the begninning of the year? They could go on another run when Jamison get's back.

Sadly I see Miami in there at the end...again. They are playing like champs right now. Say what you want about Shaq but he's the man. Toronto and Orlando are just too young, and Cleveland doesn't have the horses around Lebron.

I picked the Wiz 4th in the East this year and I'm sticking with that. Ivan had them #2 behind Miami if I remember correctly.

Like at the beginning of the year, the Wiz just need to "play" is all. They're already losing, what could it hurt?

Just play.

If I could ask Jordan one request though.....please start Booth and give him good minutes. He covers Haywood's backside down low. If a team gets hot by shooting jumpers and beats the Wiz then so be it. Just don't give up layups, it drives me nuts as a fan. Hayes can't do that.

They might not win every game with him starting but I just have a feeling they will be in there at the end.


We'll see I guess. There's STILL a lot of season left.

Go Wiz!

- Ray :)

Posted by: Ray | February 13, 2007 2:40 PM

And add Rob P, lol!

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 13, 2007 2:51 PM

Who has worse handles?

a)Gheorghe Muresan
b)Brendan Haywood
c)Will Bowers
d)that homeless guy with no arms on H street

Correct answer (b)
Please trade him and Hayes for Magloire.

Posted by: Justin | February 13, 2007 3:13 PM

Then who do the Wizards play at center next year, Justin?

Posted by: Dave | February 13, 2007 3:42 PM

"Then who do the Wizards play at center next year, Justin?"

DUH: "d)that homeless guy with no arms on H street"

Posted by: Gack | February 13, 2007 3:56 PM

Ray, we may or may not be jerkoffs, but you're the jerkoff cup.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 13, 2007 4:02 PM

"Ray, we may or may not be jerkoffs, but you're the jerkoff cup."


I quoted someone else you troll.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 13, 2007 4:23 PM

"Please trade him and Hayes for Magloire."

I don't understand, why would you trade for someone less talented, can't run the floor, can't play D, and is a free agent after this year?

If he was so good he would be playing a lot of minutes for Portland, but he's not.

Haywood is a decent center and makes a good salary. If you're comparing him to Shaq or Yao then yeah, you're gonna be disappointed.

He also plays good defense against people like Yao. Haywood gave Yao fits that last time they played until Yao knee'd him in the thigh and he had to go out of the game.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 13, 2007 4:30 PM

some trade ideas:
we need low post scoring plain and simple. Guard play only takes u so far.

Remember, Ernie always likes to trade for or sign YOUNG guys that have upside. Based on these facts what do you guys think of these Bigmen on the market:
Al Jefferson (13 ppg)
Ryan Gomes(12 ppg)
Gerald Green (9ppg)
these guys untradeable? tell that to the boston front office who's going thru an 18 game losing streak, untradable my left nut.
Jamaal Magliore
Josh Childress (12 ppg)
Jawad Williams(NBDL)
Pau Gasol - why not, Guy's an allstar and yeah memphis said they'd have to get a lot to trade him, so why not Andray Blatche, Jarvis Hayes, Etan Thomas, + 1st round pick
3 marginal players for 1 good player not sound realistic? Tell that to the sacramento GM who got rid of 3 losers for Chris Webber not too long ago. It happened, It's possible, It can be Done. This trade is even more comparable if not better in that these 3 guys are young talents, former first round picks, they bring size, some shooting, and youth to a very untalented Memphis team.

I think Pau Gasol would be an amazing fit in DC, more realistic trade then tryin to get Garnett, who I'd love to see in a Wiz uniform as well.

Posted by: aJ | February 13, 2007 4:34 PM

Wow, Jerry West should be drooling over the opportunity to trade his franchise player for a second string center/fighter, a second string shooting guard who it seems everyone wants to run out of town, an NBDL player in your words aJ, and a pick in the 20s.

Posted by: Joe | February 13, 2007 4:47 PM

Wait, yesterday aJ was saying that Blatche was a bust, today he's a "young talent"?

Posted by: Dave | February 13, 2007 4:50 PM

iTS JUST A BLOG. WHY MUST WE "PICK SIDES" AND "TEAMS" calling out names or initials, etc. Granted, some of them are legnthy and just extensive verbage..(sounds like they are happy to have someone to communicate with. Especially the young guy sitting in his "Moms basement in his undies"(sorry, he said it I didn't) but for the most part(in the beginning or until this week)the blog went along fairly well. Its a BLAST writing about our local basketball & football teams. To be honest, I have no idea where the Wiz are going - I just love basketball. They are progressing & can still use a couple of good low post players. Obviously, the bench is just sub-par but who knows, after this year, Abe will siphon off another few mil to let Grunfeld them. Get rid of the dead weight. Lets keep it interesting and not crucify someone for sharing their opinion. Who knows, we could all learn something - we just don't know who from.

Posted by: rim51 | February 13, 2007 4:51 PM

All I can say is....I sure hope we beat Philly tomorrow night or the world may end! And it will not be easy....strangely enough, Philly is playing much better without Iverson.

I agree with Ray about Miami - and it's sickening that they are back in it once again. I heard last night that Riley most likely will be back coaching after the All Star Break. Personally, although I like him, it seems crappy to me that he basically deserted the team when they were losing and now that they are back on track he is ready to return. Am I the only person with this opinion?

Posted by: Lisa | February 13, 2007 5:02 PM

No, Lisa, I was going to make the same point. I wonder if Riley asks for a trial separation from his wife when she gains a couple of pounds, and then when he sees her at the gym, returns home.

Posted by: Sean | February 13, 2007 5:14 PM

Actually Lisa, I don't think anything these folks do is "coincidental." Its been the deal all along. Now, whether than can take it all is another story.
Avery Johnson is planning to be ready for them this year. Hopefully his team is as well.

Riley is as smooth as his hair and Nobody's fool.

Posted by: rim51 | February 13, 2007 5:19 PM

Great remark, Sean - and probably true!

Posted by: Lisa | February 13, 2007 5:22 PM

Um okay-- I'm late to the party but why were people ripping on Blatche this edition of blog? Dude was the only player who played halfway decent in the Rip City loss.

Check the game flow:

Bullteproof managed a +5 overall, and helped pester Zach to shoot 4 for 14.

HIs defense is coming along, he's improving the shooting percentage (from 'abysmal' to 'okay': 4 for 9 vs P-Land). He's beginnning to play inside his abilities better. There's ups and downs but you can't expect much more from a redshirt rookie.

Can't expect more than 'improvement'.

--Especially considering he took a bulletwound through his shooting wrist, not just his frickin lung-bags.

We were hella more patient with the KFB his first couple years. More patient than old 'O-face' Jared Jeffries.

Blatche has good instincts, but he's raw. You don't expect him to instantly fill the shoes of a sometime All-star, MIP, 6th man of the year, multiple 50-point game player number one draft pick like Antawn Jamison.

Or if you do expect more-- tell me who the hell you think you're gonna take in the second round, with this year's 48th pick.

As for the dustup and aftermath of the Gilbert fizzle and Wiz' swirl around the bowl:

No big deal. Shoot it's possible Orlando even catches up and passes us and we fall to the 5th seed in the East. Fine, we get the booby prize of playing the Atlantic division

--(actually the Raptors scare me a little more than the CWebb-resurgent Pistons. I can count on Webber to fall apart in the clutch, but the Raps are yound and enthusiastic enough to accidentally win a series)--

Still, in the meantime we're gaining a smidgen of depth in the frontcourt. Got two players coming back from injury as well as the pseudo-rookie.

None of these players were gonna get much PT with the 40minute man Tawn in there. We get to take a look at ine-ups and chemistry possibilities for bench situations. We get to knock the rust off Ruffin, and see where DSong fits.

We get stark evidence how Hayes lacks what we need. And we get object lessons on the importance of leadership and defense.

We get to take our lumps learn and move on. Then we get Jamison back and hopefully re-develop quickly the chemistry needed to make a push for the ECF.

With Jamison were were winning by last-second shots. Nobody expects us to take the whole thing without him. And maybe we get to redact the question marks on Jamison's value to the team. Once and for all.

Me I'm still enjoying the season.


Posted by: doclinkin | February 13, 2007 5:34 PM

EJ let Jarvis Hayes played often because (I think) Grunfeld wanted to see what Hayes can bring to the table. If Hayes was producing, we can keep him and sign him to an extension. If he's not, EG would look to trade him and get something in return instead of losing Hayes via free agency and get nothing.

Either way, I guess that was the reason why EJ was giving Hayes plenty of minutes during games.

The BigE

Posted by: The BigE | February 13, 2007 5:45 PM

EJ let Jarvis Hayes played often because (I think) Grunfeld wanted to see what Hayes can bring to the table. If Hayes is producing, we can keep him and sign him to an extension. If he's not, EG would look to trade him and get something in return instead of losing Hayes via free agency and get nothing.

Either way, I guess that was the reason why EJ was giving Hayes plenty of minutes during games.

The BigE

Posted by: The BigE | February 13, 2007 5:46 PM

Feb 12, 2007

What a day to miss the blog! Lisa, you're this blog's Jamison. Got a feeling GM is so disgusted he's quit the blog. My 2 cents, the entire team has utterly failed this test of character, this adversity. Hey, they're human. This is no fantasy league or video game. Now they have another test of character - how do they handle their failure? Do they regroup, refocus? The players-only meeting was probably a good sign. Jamison and EJ talking to Gil was probably helpful. They've been blown out their last 3 losses, and they hit the panic button (as did yesterday's bloggers). All they need to do right now is to put together 2-3 competitive games - even if they lose. They need to regain their composure, poise, and confidence. Eddie is absolutely right on the mark: they need leadership. My prediction: Caron will step up to provide it.

Posted by: reispace | February 13, 2007 6:37 PM

Wow! You don't go on line for two days and all hell breaks loose! I was at Sunday's poor excuse for a game, wasn't feeling great but I had promised my 11 yr old nephew his first live NBA game so we went.
My observation based on 41 yrs. of being an NBA and Bullets/Wizards fan and watching my share of NBA games over the years both live and on TV and the Direct Ticket. The average NBA team "mails in"(that's what the old timers called it) about 10 games a year. I don't like it, not excusing it, it's just the way it is and always has been. Sunday the Wizard's really mailed it! Didn't expect it, thought they would come out fired up because with a win Sunday and tomorrow they could have got to the break at 3 and 3 since AJ went down.
I think I said last week "you're never as good as you look when you're winning or as bad as you look when you're losing" and Wei tried to say the same thing yesterday. I think alot of things happened to this team that got them "sky high" for awhile. There was no chance that Gil and the Butler could stay as hot as they were.
I've read alot of observations about what is wrong with this team since AJ went down and I've not seen one that gets to the central point to me. This Team really misses AJ's board work! He never gets near enough credit for the consistant rebounder that he is. Caron useally gets alot of rebounds but without AJ in there he's getting smoothered under the glass.
If you go all the way back to Bill Russell and the old Celtics you can't run if you can't rely on your Center and Power Forward to sweep the glass and get you out on the break. Brendan has thoose nights that he'll only show up with a couple of rebounds. Blatch has showed flashes of being a high energy guy that can come in and rebound but he isn't there yet.
Ruffin played the minutes that he played for one reason he was hitting the boards. Until we get AJ back this team has to realize that you spring your offense off the defensive boards. In the second quarter we started getting some bounds and Gil started to push the tempo and it looked like we were getting back in it. But they came out flat at the half, I would assume that what boiled over after the game started at half time.
Sometimes a coach needs to stir things up a little to get a reaction out of his team. Well we sure got that, I was encouraged by Caron's comments after the game, and AJ's ability to play the whole thing down and make everybody laugh. Daniels also weighed in like a Vet should. The best thing is that this is happening now instead of April.

Posted by: GM | February 13, 2007 6:40 PM

I swear I didn't channel GM. Good to see you back, GM - I think you're the only poster older than me ;)

Posted by: reispace | February 13, 2007 6:49 PM

Oh great, thank you Wizards!!
Just when I was bragging about being a Bullet fan on campus...

Posted by: DC Guy in Syracuse | February 13, 2007 6:57 PM

Abe Pollin was interviewed by Comcast - and was asked about the Brendan/Etan fight. Abe said he has spoken to both of them and that it will NEVER happen again...guaranteed.

Posted by: Lisa | February 13, 2007 8:13 PM

Agent zero is now on the "Smoking gung" website

Posted by: Diego | February 13, 2007 8:34 PM


Actually, people were not ripping Blatche on this blog, unless you count aJ and his 20 delusional posts as the consensus opinion of all bloggers here.

Posted by: lol | February 13, 2007 8:57 PM

Ray, you're still a cup....full of it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 13, 2007 9:26 PM

"Add: Henry, DC, Nancy, George, B.rev, BK, CB, Vic, burke, Gov to that...sorry if I missed anyone. :)"

Darn, sorry Doc.

You also. :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 13, 2007 9:56 PM

Forgot GM also!

I would add "Darnell" to this list but I think he got tired of being made fun of. :)

Don't mind me, just tired of talking about the Wizards losing is all.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 13, 2007 9:59 PM

Gay Ray, you probably like it like that just like Amaechi. Stop dropping the soap on purpose.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 13, 2007 10:52 PM

G#y Ray, you probably like it like that just like Amaechi. Stop dropping the soap on purpose.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 13, 2007 10:53 PM

I knew I would forget people, thank you for adding them Ray.

Posted by: George Templeton | February 13, 2007 11:07 PM

I know this is Ivan and Mike's blog but Boswell has a REAL good article on Haywood and Thomas in today's edition.

I agree with all of it:

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 13, 2007 11:16 PM

i've figured it out... aJ is mistaking blatche for kwame brown. it all makes sense now why he's so angry

dc man88 is BOOFER reincarnated..

Posted by: hmmmmm | February 13, 2007 11:52 PM

That Boswell piece is the greatest thing ever written! They should tape it to the Two Stooges lockers.

Posted by: CW | February 14, 2007 7:55 AM

Georgia Templeton, Gay Ray, and Hmmmmm are a bunch of fudgepackers or fudgepacker lovers.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 14, 2007 8:34 AM

I think Ivan and Mike are getting tired of writing blogs. :)

What do you all think?

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 14, 2007 9:04 AM

C'mon Ray Ray, how hard can it be when you got TWO guys covering the beat for ONE team? Two guys doing one online message forum/blog.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 14, 2007 9:10 AM

I thought some of Boz's points were on target, but maybe of his details about the play of Thomas and Haywood indicates that he doesn't watch the Wizards much. His overall point is on target, though -- these two should be glad they have the other.

Posted by: Sean | February 14, 2007 10:43 AM

For actual facts about the two reference this article by's TheSecretKevin:

Then join the discussion:

Posted by: doclinkin | February 14, 2007 12:54 PM

For actual facts about the two reference this article by's TheSecretKevin:

Then join the discussion:

Posted by: doclinkin | February 14, 2007 12:58 PM

"Another possible solution would be to play Jarvis Hayes less. Washington is 7.6 points per 100 possessions worse defensively when Hayes is on the floor, and he hurts the offense by 6.2 points per 100 possessions."

Henry, you see this in Doc's link/article? :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | February 14, 2007 1:09 PM

I actually hope les boules lose tonight, just to jazz things up even more.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 14, 2007 1:17 PM

You would.

Posted by: George Templeton | February 14, 2007 2:46 PM

You would.

Posted by: George Templeton | February 14, 2007 2:48 PM

I'm flattered that you think of me anytime you see a +/- stat.
Those stats regarding Haywood and Hayes are a little misleading. They are less about the players themselves and more about smallball. Hayes's numbers include a lot of minutes when he was playing PF, and also a lot of minutes when Jamison was playing center. As we have discussed, that lineup has gotten killed. Haywood, by definition, has never played in a lineup that has not included a real center. Going to, you'll see that Haywood and Thomas have the second and third best +/- rating when they are on the floor. Is that because they are the team's second and third best players? No, it's because they are centers and thus are never part of the full no-center smallball lineup.
I wish I could figure out a way to determine Hayes's stats when he has been played as a SG or SF this season. That would be a better measure.
So, I would adjust the advice to read play Haywood and Thomas more, play Hayes only at SF or SG, and ditch smallball.

Posted by: Henry | February 14, 2007 3:53 PM

I did. Georgia.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 14, 2007 5:58 PM

OMG...Ivan you had me dying of laughter reading this piece.

Posted by: Oz | February 15, 2007 2:19 PM

Mason has not been in the league (NBA) for 6+ years. He got injured around the draft time which messed him up and put him into the 2nd round. He then had a surgery and was out for most of the season with the Bulls. Then got traded in the 2nd year to the Raptors. He was out for a part of that season too and then got waived in his 3rd season after being inactive and not touching the floor in the regular season. So really this is his 3rd year. He played in the Euroleague between then and now.

So, he is still raw in his skills, but he has a great shot. He just needs more practise/PT in the NBA to be more consistent...if he can shoot 81 in Gucci shoes from the 3...he needs time to develop. I wouldn't trade him.

Posted by: Wiz kid | February 15, 2007 9:15 PM

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