Another one gets away

Gilbert Arenas was going to go for the win tonight and after the game, he was kicking himself for not driving and getting an attempt for the time. If you saw the end of the game, you saw Gilbert dribble the ball past halfcourt, start left and then go right where he was bracketed by New Jersey's Antoine Wright and Vince Carter. He wound up taking a tough three-ball from the deep corner that was deflected by Carter before falling far short of the rim.

Arenas: "I was going for the winner. I was going to take the three-pointer for the win but when I made my initial move to my left, I should have just stayed left and gone to the basket. Instead, I went right and they forced me baseline. I knew Vince was coming and he blocked the shot."

Arenas said there was no foul on the play.
"No. I was bumped a little going to the baseline but it had no impact on the shot. It was just a bad shot."

Eddie Jordan said he had a play called but told Arenas to look for the winner if he had it.

"I'll live with him taking a game-winning shot any time," Jordan said.

The WIz got off to a great start but couldn't handle the zone defense employed by the Nets for long stretches and couldn't locate Bostjan Nachbar, who scored 10 of his 14 points in the fourth quarter.

By Ivan Carter |  November 8, 2007; 11:38 PM ET
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I think we shouldn't judge Eddie Jordan too harshly until Gil is back to full health, in the NBA teams are built around their stars, if Gilbert isn't playing well, any coach would struggle coaching this team.

Posted by: juandixonformvp | November 9, 2007 12:21 AM

To blow a 20-point lead and then have Gilbert waste 24 seconds and throw up that shot at the end of the game?! Just makes this loss a more bitter pill to swallow.

Posted by: George Templeton | November 9, 2007 12:40 AM

Sorry cuz, this loss falls squarely on the shoulders of Eddie Jordan. Once again, he was outcoached. Sure, he wasn't the one who blew a 20 point lead, but if you read what Ivan reported, it clearly shows that after the Nets switched to a zone defense, the Wiz was thrown off. So why didn't Eddie make an adjustment? Answer is, because he doesn't know how to. Just like he doesn't know how to rest his best player coming off of a serious knee injury. He's going to have a visit frome Ernie real soon.

Posted by: C.Bell | November 9, 2007 12:41 AM

And again, everybody's gonna jump on this site (DCMan) and start killing Gibert for that awful shot (which he even admitted to). But why is everyone afraid to mention the name Deshawn Stevenson? His nickname is "The Invisible Man" from now on? He vanished the minute after he signed that fresh ass contract. And what did he give us against NJ? 0-4 in 13 minutes. Plus I hate him even more because we could've had Navarro if it wasn't for his bum ass being Gil's best friend. I'm officially starting a Nick Young should start campaign. Or a Roger Mason one. Or a Andray Blatche one where he slides in to the 4 spot, Jamison moves to 3, and Caron to 2.

Posted by: C.Bell | November 9, 2007 12:55 AM

All sounds great C Bell except they passed on Navarro & Miles(who went to Europe for $$)to sign DS & Mason. C Bell, BOTH of them laid eggs tonite and last year in the playoffs. Why start a campaign for dead inconsistent weight?

Campaign for Butler finding his shot.
Campaign for Haywood to find his stamina
Campaign for Jamison to take over like he did in the playoffs
Campaign for EJ to get more creative in his rotations
Campaign for more minutes for AB
Campaign for Arenas to shut his pie hole, focus on gaining balance,stamina, executing balanced shots & that he try
"Sharing the ball"(to him an absolutely shocking thing...
Campaign they practice passing the ball

If you must campaign..don't waist it on inconsistent mediocrity: DS & RM, JR.

Posted by: Buck | November 9, 2007 1:44 AM

Wait a minute...Eddie knew that they switched to zone, so I'm pretty sure that him being an NBA coach and all, that he DID make an adjustment.

Perhaps the players didn't follow the adjustment like the were supposed to, ya know?

I mean seriously, C. Bell, how are you going to assume that Eddie doesn't know how to do these things?

Nick Young should start? Really? Did you watch him on D? Straight stranded on an island with Jack and Kate homey.

You are ready to start him because of one nice reverse lay-up?

You are right to criticize Dee-Shawn. He's probably doing that hand thing in the mirror right now.

And Gilbert did take a bad shot. He knows it. It frustrated the hell out of me. I would've rather him take a three 10 feet behind the line...but if he missed that, I'm sure people would be questioning that decision too.

I guess many of us have been spoiled by that good hibachi so much that when Gil breaks out the Forman Grill, we get all high class up in this mug.

Plain and simple:

We don't receive the doctor reports that Eddie does. We don't talk directly to Gilbert. We are not at practice.

Yea, yea...you can't always trust a recovering player who wants to play. But do you really think that Eddie has no judgment in these areas whatsoever?

Go Wizards...take care of things tomorrow night.

www.truthaboutit.net

Posted by: www.truthaboutit.net | November 9, 2007 2:08 AM

"But why is everyone afraid to mention the name Deshawn Stevenson?"

No one's afraid to mention Stevenson. There's just no point in it. Look, we spent all summer dissecting this guy. He's a role player of limited ability who only thrives as a scavenger feeding off the scraps left behind by the big cats. When they aren't on and he has to fend for himself, he's so next to useless that he can hold uselessness's hand. (All of this was said by myself and others during the run up to him signing that ridiculous contract). With the Big 3 struggling most of the young season, there's no reason for defense to leave him wide open in the corners like they did last season and the results are pretty predictable. No shock there.

But here's the rub: Despite his utter uselessness, they have no choice but to start him. Because as awful as he's been as a starter, he'd be ten times worse coming off the bench. At least in the starting lineup there's the chance that, on a night when the big 3 are clicking and sucking in the defense, he'll start getting the looks he needs and hitting some shots. If you bring him into the game with the subs, he's doomed. If they take him out of the starting lineup they may as well take him out of the rotation and send him straight to the inactive list, because he's done. Of course, they can't do that because if they do, Grunfeld and Co. look like idiots for giving him all that money over the summer. Which, by the way, they were.

Posted by: kalorama | November 9, 2007 2:12 AM

Buck, If you read my post then you would see that I DID say start Blatche. Also, when I started my campaign, I was basically saying that ANYBODY is better than Deshawn at this point (and I agree that should've offered Miles a gauranteed contract instead of that camp invite crap).

And I can assume Eddie doesn't know how to adjust to other coaches' moves because he's proven it time after time that he doesn't. Yeah, I fault the players for not knowing how to defend the pick n roll, but we're 0-4 right now and all 3 of those losses can be attributed to coaching.
The Celtics, Magic, and Nets losses are all on his shoulders.

And yeah, one nice reverse lay-up IS more than 0-4 in 13 minutes.

Posted by: C.Bell | November 9, 2007 2:33 AM

And "Nick Young looks lost on D" is the understatment of the year. But seriously, 8 of our 13 man roster is lost on D. So why not put him in to do something. He drives better to the rim than Deshawn (plus shoots a good free throw percentage) and can create his own shot better as well.
I thought you were supposed to put your best 5 on the court that gives you the best chance to win. If Nick Young is one of those 5 (even though I think Blatche is much better), then play him.

Posted by: C.Bell | November 9, 2007 2:45 AM

I just don't understand how you play a guy, your bread and butter guy, 40+ min after just getting his knee drained. Plus you're playing the next 3 games in 4 nights. Eddie just doesn't seem to understand anything as a game time coach. Still only relying on the starters + AD and Songalia. AB is a player. Can't seem to get any significant PT! Nick and D-Mac need minutes. No one can be effective with 8 mintues a game off the bench. Ernie, please make a move before it's too late.

Posted by: Garry | November 9, 2007 6:12 AM

Right on, Gary. Playing GA 43 minutes in the first game of a back to back is asinine. We're asking for trouble. Also, we have to live and die with those end-of game-shots GA takes. Sure, he missed. But if you go back and look at his history, he's probably over 50% on those shots and some have been very difficult. Why question his shot selection since he makes a good % of them and who would you rather take that shot on this team? He just happened to miss this one. The fact that it bothers him enough to mention it is a good thing.
On the DS issue, I don't think we necessarily have to start the guy. If he's giving us nothing or not giving us what we want, we can always bench him no matter how much he makes. But here's the thing...what do we expect from him? Was someone lighting him up? He got into foul trouble. On this team, the SG is gonna get no shots. Its just the way it is. The BIG 3 get all the shots and all we can expect from the SG is solid defense and making open shots when necessary. Unless DS is missing open shots, turning the ball over, or giving up a lot of points, how do we know he's not doing what EJ is asking of him? The guy has only taken 29 shots all year. I'm not defending him at all because I was in the JCN camp but if we put NY in the starting lineup, his production will be minimal because there's only one ball. The Wiz SG doesn't see it often.

Posted by: mark | November 9, 2007 7:45 AM

followup: I'd rather see NY come in with the 2nd team with a green light. Once his confidence is built up, he'll be that much better.

Posted by: mark | November 9, 2007 7:48 AM

40 plus minutes for AJ, Gil and Caron again? Even Gil is reportedly thinking about asking for reduced playing time. 82 game schedule, O and 4 start. EJ needs to get the young, promising players off the bench and into some meaningful game time.
Assuming the Wiz start to click on all 3 cylinders this year like they eventually did last year, when the inevitable injuries come, if those young players haven't been seasoned with playing time the Wizards will once again perform their disappearing act.
EJ's consistent 40 minutes plus for post-op Gil and 31 year AJ is inexplicable when you've got Blatche, Young, DMac on the bench, in need of experience. Accept the fact that mistakes will be made by these young players but Wiz are 0 and 4, it wouldn't be worse than that if we gave these young players a chance to hone their skills and the upside comes later in the season.

Posted by: radpad | November 9, 2007 7:51 AM

BTW,
DS is averaging 25 minutes, 5 ppg and 3rpg. AD is at 18 minutes, 2ppg, 2rpg, 2 assists. Not much better but since he's not starting, he's not catching heat. AD is shooting 27% to DS's 26%.
I think it might be a little early to start calling for DS to be benched. Maybe once the offense startes to flow, he'll pick it up. After all, he was 'Mr. 50' for much of last year and finished at 46% for the season. Again, I'm no huge DS fan but what's the alternative? Once I realized that CB can't play the 2, I stopped callin for AB to start at the 4. This starting lineup is probably the best we have unless.... we do with AB what we did with Jeffries and start him at the 2. That could conceivably work since he's an ok ball handler. He wouldn't be scoring at all but it would make our D better. Just a thought.

Posted by: mark | November 9, 2007 8:05 AM

This game provided a good lesson for instilling confidence in players.

Nachbar came into the game in a shooting slump, and missed a couple of early shots. Nevertheless, the NJ coach could be heard encouraging (actually yelling at) him to take open shots.

On the other hand, Nick Young missed a 3 and was foreover banned to the bench. What will his subconscious be telling him on his next 3? Bottom line, it takes time and effort by all parties for a player to develop the necessary confidence to succeed in the NBA.

One of the Wiz objectives this year should be to develop their four talented young guys. So far, it hasn't happened (and they still don't have any short-term wins to show for the "win-today" mentality).

Posted by: Izman | November 9, 2007 8:09 AM

"

I think we shouldn't judge Eddie Jordan too harshly until Gil is back to full health, in the NBA teams are built around their stars, if Gilbert isn't playing well, any coach would struggle coaching this team.

Posted by: juandixonformvp | November 9, 2007 12:21 AM "

Huh?

Coaching is about getting your players to make up for other deficiencies on the team. It's not about giving your injured player the ball at the end of the court and asking him to bring it home.

Coaching is about setting up a play at the end to get the best shot. When Les BouleS ran that final play at Indiana and tied it up, that's what coaching is about. Coaching isn't about calling a 20 second time out and having Gilby just go to town.

Gilby should have driven to the hole for the score or foul, or, he should have lured two defenders and dished to the open man.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 9, 2007 8:18 AM

"And again, everybody's gonna jump on this site (DCMan) and start killing Gibert for that awful shot (which he even admitted to). But why is everyone afraid to mention the name Deshawn Stevenson? His nickname is "The Invisible Man" from now on? He vanished the minute after he signed that fresh ass contract. And what did he give us against NJ? 0-4 in 13 minutes. Plus I hate him even more because we could've had Navarro ...

Posted by: C.Bell | November 9, 2007 12:55 AM "

What are you talking about? Check the previous blog, I blasted DS for laying an egg last night, and being the defensive ace on the bench while VC had 24 pts, 5 rebs, and 5 assists.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 9, 2007 8:20 AM

I am not surprised at this lost. We never play the Nets or the Hornets and win. We play them very well, but we end up losing it in the end. Can somebody say Byron Scott and Frank. Seems like they find a way to out coach EJ every game.

I thought Eddie finally saw the light with his rotation the first half of the game. He ran his substitions pretty well. But then came the 2nd half. NY took a three pointer that was a air ball, and EJ immediately panicked and took him out and never let him come back in the remaining of the game. That move will be great for NY's confidence don't you think?

EJ gave AB some run the first half, and guess what my boy produced. 2nd half game is tight, EJ gets nervous and goes back to what he is comfortable with; you guessed it small ball. Jamison and Songalia in at the same time. Go figure.

We are in very serious trouble right now with our backcourt. As I argued over the summer, there is no way DS should have received that contract he was awarded. Now look at us. EJ is now playing AD at the "2". With Gilbert being off and AD never having an outside game that in itself is a dumb lineup to have in.

NY should be getting all the minutes at the "2" sink or swim. As I said yesterday, EJ has to trust the rook. He has way more upside to tap if you give him minutes. Live with a mistake or two, but let him play through it. It is clear EJ is done with DS.

EG has been given a pass since the summer from any hits from the fans, but he has to take the blame on this DS contract. Gilbert has to also, because I am pretty sure he was letting EG know he better sign his boy to keep him happy.

I hate to say it, but I think this team is in some real trouble right now. As Gil runs, thus does the team. EJ keeps falling back (and playing way to many minutes) to the big three, Songalia, and AD and they are not producing. He has to give DMac, NY and AB more minutes. They are a "mini three", but they can grow into a "big three" if given minutes.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 9, 2007 8:22 AM

The coach is terrible. And what's sad about all this is, if the Wizards were going to start so poorly anyway, they should've just sat Gilbert for the first couple of weeks. Sure, there's no way they know if they're going to play badly, but this knee thing is a problem, so maybe he needs to sit out a game at least once a week. I have no idea why EJ would continue to play him 40+ minutes. He needs to protect Gilbert, not get the man hurt. Remember that Gilbert thought EJ was a big reason why he got hurt last year. I'm sure the first four games aren't helping that perception.

Posted by: Colin | November 9, 2007 8:23 AM

I figured it out. DS is having a shooting slump b/c he's still recovering from that "STEVENSON" tattoo that he got etched on his back during the offseason.

Kind of reminds me of David Boston, the ex Arizona Cardinals wide receiver who was reported to have excused himself from practice because the previous day, he had his n$pples pierced and was hurting too much to run drills.

Hilarious.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 9, 2007 8:23 AM

Did anyone who watched the game notice that after it ended, JKidd pulled Gilby aside and was giving him an earful? Gilby seemed very attentive to whatever JKidd was saying, and I think JKidd was dropping him some knowledge on how to be a pro and act like one. At least he didn't slap some sense into Gilby like he did Joumana.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 9, 2007 8:25 AM

This game provided a good lesson for instilling confidence in players.

Nachbar came into the game in a shooting slump, and missed a couple of early shots. Nevertheless, the NJ coach could be heard encouraging (actually yelling at) him to take open shots.

On the other hand, Nick Young missed a 3 and was foreover banned to the bench. What will his subconscious be telling him on his next 3? Bottom line, it takes time and effort by all parties for a player to develop the necessary confidence to succeed in the NBA.

One of the Wiz objectives this year should be to develop their four talented young guys. So far, it hasn't happened (and they still don't have any short-term wins to show for the "win-today" mentality).

Posted by: Izman | November 9, 2007 08:09 AM

Izman you just stole my thunder. Excellent points!!! I am glad to see someone else noticed that about the NY shot to. EJ needs to get off of that "old school" way of doing things and change up a little bit.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 9, 2007 8:28 AM

Hollinger was right.

Posted by: Gregors | November 9, 2007 8:38 AM

TNT reported Arenas may have an MRI exam on Saturday and that the player was considering asking Jordan to reduce his playing time.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 9, 2007 8:43 AM

TNT reported Arenas may have an MRI exam on Saturday and that the player was considering asking Jordan to reduce his playing time.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 9, 2007 8:45 AM

Of course if we kept Juan Carlos we would be 4-0.

I'm mean he shooting a whopping 23% from the field and averaging 4 points per game. He would have been our savior with those numbers.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

Posted by: pg posse | November 9, 2007 8:45 AM

Open letter to Eddie Jordan:

If Gilbert's knee is not fully healed, DO NOT PLAY HIM 40 MINUTES!

Do not play him at all. Please let him heal.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 9, 2007 8:47 AM

TNT reported Arenas may have an MRI exam on Saturday and that the player was considering asking Jordan to reduce his playing time.


Posted by: Anonymous | November 9, 2007 8:48 AM

Joint aspiration

Removal of excess joint fluid can temporarily bring some relief from pain, but the meniscus will not heal and the fluid will usually reaccumulate.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 9, 2007 8:50 AM

Coaching is about getting your players to make up for other deficiencies on the team. It's not about giving your injured player the ball at the end of the court and asking him to bring it home.

Coaching is about setting up a play at the end to get the best shot. When Les BouleS ran that final play at Indiana and tied it up, that's what coaching is about. Coaching isn't about calling a 20 second time out and having Gilby just go to town.

Posted by: DC Man88

I suppose Michael Jordan made all those last second shots cause Phil Jackson drew up great plays for him, right?

This isn't Hoosiers were we can tell Gilbert to run the picket fence, this is the NBA where the players run the asylum, go ask Mike Montgomery, Jerry Tarkanian, Lon Kruger, and all the other college coaches who drew up great Xs and Os but were completely lost in the NBA game because they didn't understand this is a players league.

Posted by: juandixonformvp | November 9, 2007 8:50 AM

Meniscus Repair
A meniscus repair is a surgical procedure done to repair the damaged meniscus. This procedure can restore the normal anatomy of the knee, and has a better long-term prognosis when successful. However, the meniscus repair is a more significant surgery, the recovery is longer, and, because of limited blood supply to the meniscus, it is not always possible.

Meniscectomy
A meniscectomy is a procedure to remove the torn portion of the meniscus. This procedure is far more commonly performed than a meniscus repair. Most meniscus tears cannot be treated by a repair for a number of reasons. Often the tear is in an avascular region of the meniscus, and will not heal even if repaired. Some tears are frayed and cannot be sutured together. In these cases, the meniscectomy is done to remove the damaged portion of meniscus. The meniscectomy has a faster recovery, but it can lead to trouble years down the road because of the absence of the normal meniscus.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 9, 2007 8:51 AM

TNT reported Arenas may have an MRI exam on Saturday and that the player was considering asking Jordan to reduce his playing time.


Posted by: Anonymous | November 9, 2007 8:52 AM

I agree Juandixon.....Great plays don't win games at the end, great players do. It was on GA and he just missed. He gave us a chance getting us into OT the other day with a last second shot. I'd rather him shoot it than anyone else.

Posted by: mark | November 9, 2007 8:54 AM

"I think JKidd was dropping him some knowledge on how to be a pro and act like one. At least he didn't slap some sense into Gilby like he did Joumana."

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 9, 2007 08:25 AM

Yet another absolutely RIDICULOUS comment by the DCIdiot. Yeah right, how the hell could you possibly know what JKidd was saying??? Hilarious.

Posted by: OhYeah? | November 9, 2007 8:55 AM

Couple of thoughts:

1) DCMan actually makes an interesting post - I noticed the same thing - Kidd was talking to Gil after the game for quite a while, and Gil was seriously listening. Wonder if he was talking about how to handle a knee injury.

2) I'm ok with the Gil isolation shot when we need a shot to win with six seconds or so left on the clock. That being said even that gets tiresome when we do it every SINGLE time - when is the last time we haven't run this play at the end of the first half? Teams now know how to defend it.

As for last night, it was absolutely inexcusable. Ivan says that a play was drawn up but frankly 1) either that isn't true; or 2) Gil at no point had any intention of running it (which is just as bad or worse than 1) since it means Gil doesn't listen to Eddie at all). From the second he got the ball it was clear that it was the top of the key, dribble the clock down, and take a last second shot. Did anyone else see that play go down any differently?

My wife had it right last night - Wiz called a timeout to figure out the play - Buckhantz said "20 second time out, EJ is strategizing" to which my wife said to the TV - "what are they going to do with the other 18 seconds?"

I think the timeout huddle went about like this: EJ: "Ok guys, need the winner on this, we practice this play all the time - Gil take the ball up the court, do that high dribble things for about 15 seconds - everyone else go to the four corners - Gil do whatever you want at the five second mark."

Really really disappointing. No creativity. Nothing planned. It's time for Eddie to get the heave ho - either he can't coach or the players aren't listening to him - either is equally bad.

Posted by: charles jones | November 9, 2007 9:18 AM

Gilbert needs to sit and get his knee healed up. No use in losing and him still playing making it worse.

Bokins and/or John Lucas II are available I think. I like Bokins because he is a high energy player who can flat out score. Teams are still judging him because of his height. DS is 6 foot 4 or 5 gets a contract but can not score and Bokins has no contract, 5 foot 5 something; but is able to score.

EG, will Uncle Abe allow you to look into this scenero? Ooops! I forgot, we are "to close" to the luxary tax. I guess that new high tech score board has made the budget a little tight right now to do any spending on the team.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 9, 2007 9:25 AM

"I suppose Michael Jordan made all those last second shots cause Phil Jackson drew up great plays for him, right?

This isn't Hoosiers were we can tell Gilbert to run the picket fence, this is the NBA where the players run the asylum, go ask Mike Montgomery, Jerry Tarkanian, Lon Kruger, and all the other college coaches who drew up great Xs and Os but were completely lost in the NBA game because they didn't understand this is a players league.

Posted by: juandixonformvp | November 9, 2007 08:50 AM "

So are we trying to compare MJ to Gilby now? Last I checked, MJ made the shots he was supposed to. He either made them, or got fouled. Also, they changed how the game is defended. MJ used to camp out at the box with this fall-away. Now, he can't do it due to how illegal defenses were called back then.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 9, 2007 9:25 AM

"Yet another absolutely RIDICULOUS comment by the DCIdiot. Yeah right, how the hell could you possibly know what JKidd was saying??? Hilarious.

Posted by: OhYeah? | November 9, 2007 08:55 AM "

How do you know he wasn't?

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 9, 2007 9:26 AM

EJ is coaching for his life!
He has no clue, and the WIZ are paying the price.
This team is pathetic without Gilbert scoring big time.
They looked good at the beginning of the game, with Gilbert fresh and hitting his shots, thus opening up possibilities and rhythm for the rest of the team.
I feel that Kidd was lecturing Arenas on being smart, and not playing and jeopardizing your career playing while not recovered. Kidd should know he went through similar trauma.
It is time for EJ to be sent packing. But he is another of Pollin's incompetent "children", that have jeopardized this franchise for decades.
I am sure Ayres is in postion to assume the "duties" as soon as EG can convince Pollin that it is time for the change. No easy task, indeed!

Posted by: mricklen | November 9, 2007 9:30 AM

Also say what you will, but AJ is a competent ball board man as well as generating offense. He was sat at the end so EJ could bring in Songalia for defense...are you kidding me, the biggest play of the game was the miss and offensive rebound that set up Jeffersons' free throws.
The tallest player was Songalia at that time.
EJ has no idea how to win, and was blessed with GA to give him some semblance of coaching acumen.
GOODBYE EJ!

Posted by: mricklen | November 9, 2007 9:37 AM

It's a long season. Things don't look good now and everyone has a valid point as to what is going wrong. My only hope is by the middle of the season we will start seeing that same team we are use to seeing. Gilbert needs to be healthy and some of the bench guys need to step up. Remember it's a long season and things can change. We've all seen it happen before with other teams that have start slow and finished on a high.

Posted by: Ernie Grunfeld | November 9, 2007 9:50 AM

Charles Jones,

I like your wife!

Posted by: Keithinator | November 9, 2007 9:51 AM

"It's a long season. Things don't look good now and everyone has a valid point as to what is going wrong. My only hope is by the middle of the season we will start seeing that same team we are use to seeing. Gilbert needs to be healthy and some of the bench guys need to step up. Remember it's a long season and things can change. We've all seen it happen before with other teams that have start slow and finished on a high.

Posted by: Ernie Grunfeld | November 9, 2007 09:50 AM "

Sorry Ernie, but you've got to be more proactive than preaching patience. The core of this team has been intact for about 3 years now, and has regressed. Just because Gilby has a sore knee, it's not ok for Les BouleS to be 0-4. Save the company line for your employees.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 9, 2007 9:56 AM

If EJ goes, so should Les BouleS medical staff.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 9, 2007 9:58 AM

Hopefully someone asks Gil about what Jason Kidd was saying to him. Maybe he doesn't tell, but it's Gil...and he probably will.

If all they're going to do on that last play is clear everything out for Arenas to do his thing -- then don't call the timeout. All that does is give Frank a chance to remind his guys exactly what is about to happen. Just play it straight off the in bounds and maybe catch someone sleeping.

Posted by: prophet | November 9, 2007 9:58 AM

It was Gilby's idea to go for the win:

"Wizards coach Eddie Jordan had no problem with Arenas going for the win, since he came up big so often last season.

"He said, 'Let's win it,' and we tried to win it," Jordan said."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=271108017

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 9, 2007 10:03 AM

Can we stop with the luxury tax crap? We're not winning a championship this year, so this team has no business going over the luxury tax.

And yeah Boykins would be a great addition to this team. Yet another gunner who can't play D.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 9, 2007 10:21 AM

Truth wrote: "You are ready to start him [NY] because of one nice reverse lay-up?"

HECK yeah!!! Best play of the season so far. Dude can play rings around DS.

Hard to win when your offense is continually playing 3 on 5.

Posted by: Mitch | November 9, 2007 10:28 AM

At 0-4, there is enough blame to go around. You shouldn't pin it on one guy (Jordan), and unlike Ivan, you shouldn't excuse one guy (Jordan). That includes Grunfeld -- he should get his slice of blame pie too.

The bright side is that the team has only lost one home game, and they've looked much better in the last two games than they did in the first two.

Posted by: Sean | November 9, 2007 10:35 AM

LOL re: 3 on 5.

Posted by: mark | November 9, 2007 10:41 AM

The trade rumors sending GA to LA for Kobe and GA's pending free agency got me thinking about how good a player GA really is as compared to the great players currently playing in the league. Here's a list of who I think are among the best players: Kobe, Lebron, D-Wade, Duncan, Garnett, Nash, Dirk (I'm sure I'm missing some, but that's not the point of my post). Is GA in this class? I think the simple answer is no, not even close. Not even when he's at his best. Those guys (absent maybe Dirk) are able to do things on the court that make every player on their team better. Moreover, when one part of their game is struggling, they have such well-rounded games that they are capable of making a positive impact on their team by leaning on other facets of the game. The great players are also able to step up their games when their teammates are struggling.

As Wizards fans, we are enamored by GA's scoring prowess, but as our expectations grow, our analysis of its players is more critical. In my opinion, and it is my sense that many bloggers are of like mind, GA is a one dimensional player that actually detracts from his teammates ability to positively influence the outcome. On defense, he cannot shut down the opposing point or two guard, meaning his teammates must have his back and, consequently, the defense suffers. He always has the ball in his hands, yet he is not a distributor. Therefore, his teammates must either create their own shots/opportunities, which leads to higher degrees of difficulty and lower shooting percentages. His shot selection is so horrific that he sets a terrible precedent for his teammates. And lastly, the frequency with which he shoots creates a selfish environment in which other players believe that they must shoot when they get the ball. As a result, the offense lacks ball movement and fluidity, and there is a lack of trust among the players.

While success in the NBA is dependent upon superstars, basketball is ultimately a team game. Is Gilbert a team guy? I'm starting to believe that he plays with the intent of helping the team win, but he thinks that he is the only guy who can deliver the wins. This is not the hallmark of a great NBA player. Jordan, the quintessential NBA star, was unstoppable, but when the games were on the line he never hesitated to dish the ball to guys he knew would help the team win. Would GA pass the rock of the NBA championship was on the line? I think not.

The wizards will be stuck in mediocrity until their superstar realizes that he needs his teammates, or EG trades GA for team players if he concludes that GA's evolution as a player has plateaued.

Posted by: M.E.G. | November 9, 2007 10:43 AM

what a pathetic bunch of sh*t. Not the wiz people on here JCN JCN JCN. Get a fu*ckin life, Get off your couch potato 2 ton asses and look and see what this no good peice of sh*t has done, nothing zilch zero he is a goddamn turnover, streak shooting, nothing. He can't even get off the bench in MEM. I'm glad we traded him we'll get more out of a pick 5 yrs from now than what this wanna be baller could ever do. Get the f*ck over it people. I'll take anything over him anyday. Their is no way NO WAY he could've or would've helped us. The sad part is I want him to do good so MEM will win and we'll get that pick this year but the way everyone on here thinks hes john stockton makes me hope he braeks his back and never plays again.

just a thought

Posted by: the truth | November 9, 2007 10:44 AM

Hilarious. Thanks, guys.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 9, 2007 11:00 AM

Truth, you need to get back on your meds.

I just took a look at the upcoming schedule. The Wizards need to get it together quick, as the most important stretch of games might be coming up.

After the Denver game, they play Atlanta, Indiana, Minnesota, Portland, Philly, Charlotte, Golden State and Memphis. Those are all teams expected to finish at or under .500. If they can rack up some wins during that 8 game stretch and get to at least 6-7 or 7-6, things will be fine. If they continue to struggle against those teams, however, and they emerge at 3-10 or 4-9 or worse, the season could be all at but over and so could EJ.

Posted by: Sean | November 9, 2007 11:03 AM

"They threw in that zone, and that was the game-change," Wizards coach Eddie Jordan said. "We haven't worked against it enough to feel comfortable against it. It was a good strategy by them." Washington Times

This is from the Washington Times. This statement from EJ is "telling". EJ you do not need to "work against" it enough to know what to do. The ball needed to be swung around to the point the defense became unbalanced by chasing the ball.

Then once unbalanced, someone would do a dribble penetration move and then hit a cutter to the basket or kick it back out to a wide open shooter.

What the Wiz did was dribble up, one pass then jack the jumper (GA, Butler, & AJ). Nobody ever tried to "swing the ball" around. Then to make things worse EJ had small ball going once again.

News Flash EJ - AD and Gil can not be in the backcourt together at the same time. Neither one of them can hit a jumper and their games are made for driving to the basket. Now Gil's knee is messed up so he gets a pass, however I have not seen AD drive to the basket at all this season. Whats the deal with that???

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 9, 2007 11:25 AM

Truth - In my humble opinion, what the wiz need is a SHOOTING guard (i.e., kapono, barry, etc.). I believe that JCN is way better than Mason (see his 0-3 in 3 point land last night).I still think that's one pick that we should have kept.

I'm laying off on EJ not giving AB a just to play. AB look lose. I still believe he will be a good player in the future. Look at Jermaine O'Neil's first few years on the league.

Posted by: Dave | November 9, 2007 11:26 AM

Regarding Stevenson, I'd expect Jordan to continue to do what he's been doing: keep him in the starting lineup, hoping that if the big 3 catch fire he'll absorb some residual heat. It that doesn't happen, pull him early and give extended run to Young and/or Mason.

As for what Kidd said, it was most likely words of encouragement and advice about dealing with the frustrations of struggling to get back into form after a knee injury, a topic Kidd knows a lot about.

Posted by: kalorama | November 9, 2007 11:31 AM

FIRE EDDIE JORDAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tommy Chong | November 9, 2007 11:33 AM

"News Flash EJ - AD and Gil can not be in the backcourt together at the same time. Neither one of them can hit a jumper and their games are made for driving to the basket. Now Gil's knee is messed up so he gets a pass, however I have not seen AD drive to the basket at all this season. Whats the deal with that???"

With the big three struggling to hit shots, defenses are packing it in and daring the Wiz to beat them from outside. That means the middle's getting clogged and driving lanes are hard to come by.

Posted by: kalorama | November 9, 2007 11:44 AM

M.E.G., based on your description of a great player, Allen Iverson was never great, either. I'd have to disagree since he basically carried his team to the Finals simply by scoring. He was surrounded by complementary players who were very good on defense and that made all of the difference. The problem, I believe, is not so much Gil. It's the players that they chose to put around him given the fact that he was chosen as our centerpiece. When you build around a guy, you should surround him with players that are enhanced by what he does best or complement that stars weakness. Since GA is a scorer, he should :
1. Play with a real point guard that can play defense who has good size (Eric Snow/Ginobili).
2. Play with a guard who can hit an open shot when GA is doubled (Most guys in the league not named DS).
3. Have a good SF, PF C that can help when his man beats him. (McGuire/Blatche/Haywood)
4. Have a coach who understands the team dynamic and builds the style based on GA's strengths. (which means play uptempo in our case)
Dirk is an example of a guy who is not a good defender and when his shot is not falling (as was he case in last year's playoffs), he's very average. He shot 38% and had 11 rpg in the playoffs. That's our league MVP.

I think Arenas has taken a bad rap because he's listed as a PG. If he was listed as a sg (which is what he truly is) the expectations on him to distribute wouldn't be so great. If we really want to see him at his best, find a true PG with good size and play GA at the position where he really belongs...SG. I don't think anyone here would have a problem with a SG who shoots. what do you think about that idea?

Posted by: mark | November 9, 2007 11:50 AM

His 'antics' and mouth have gotten ppl fed up with him. He's the Clinton Portis of the Wiz. I think if he was quiet, he'd probably get a pass from all of us occasionally as well.

Posted by: mark | November 9, 2007 11:54 AM

Eric Snow is about 5 years past his prime and is smaller than Gilbert. Ginobili is not and never has been a PG.

Right now Gilbert has one problem, and that's his knee. He's simply not healthy enough to do the things we're used to seeing him do. if he was, most of this other stuff wouldn't even be an issue.

Posted by: kalorama | November 9, 2007 12:09 PM

Mark, I've wondered how gilbert would fare with a true point guard. I'm not sure what the answer is. The problem I could foresee is that Gilbert would have to learn to play off the ball - run off screens and become a spot up shooter. He is more of a pull-up or drive to the basket player now.

But I am of the belief, and the play of Deron Williams and Chris Paul bears this out, that point guard play is the most important component of success. A good to great PG allows every player to be successful.

Your point about AI is a good one b/c at the point of his career he was one of the most dominant player in the game. However, the one big question about AI when he went to Denver was whether he could coexist with Melo. This shows that those who follow the game know that Iverson must create opportunities for his teammates in order to be successful.

Dirk was MVP b/c his team won nearly 70 games and he was credited with his teams success. He creates such a mismatch for his opponents that his teammates always have room to do their thing, whether its drive to the basket or hit open jumpers. Dirk moves the ball when he is doubled. Also, Dirk is so disciplined that he rarely shoots the 3, knowing he can get better shots, even though he is an excellent 3 point shooter.

Gilbert is not the only one to blame, but I think he must grow in order for the Wiz to get better. He is the best player on the team, and by default, he is the leader.

Posted by: M.E.G. | November 9, 2007 12:10 PM

Mason is a bust. Maybe he can turn it around by practicing 1000 3'sa day. I hope he's listening.

Gilby's minutes should be around 24min while he gets his knee in shape. Doesn't look like we'll be paying him 14~17mil next season. I like the idea of Andre starting at the 4 and moving Caron to the 2 as it will help the team win.

Much codos to Darius. He was a warrior on the court and got us some crucial rebounds. He can come in for anybody at the 3-5 spots.

EJ has to learn and grow as a coach. Now it's do or die for him as he seems to be doing a bad job during the games. He needs to study himself as much as game films of other teams. Is 6-14 or 12-28 acceptable? Let's see where we are at when the 20 & 40 game milestones come.

Gil, pass the D#$% ball!! No need to wait till the last 7 seconds to make a move. It's a team game so trust in your teammates. I'd rather Caron or AJ take an open 3 than you jack it up with 2 taller players in your face.

Posted by: Derek | November 9, 2007 12:15 PM

Dave, Kalorama - I agree w/you both 100%
DCMan as well.

And yes, Kidd & Jefferson have had their share of injuries. Not to speak of Ray Allen poster boy for broken ankles & wrists.

CBell - understand EJ said - "Gil sets his "own" pace. He does not dictate to Gil - Gil dictates to him." Gil communicates more with Grunfeld than EJ - weird but those were EJ's words. Said as much about that last shot.."EJ had drawn up a last shot as well last nite. Gil dictates the pace and what happens on the court - except the "rotations & supporting cast of players - thats Eddie. EJ has said it at various time. He's got to maintain some resemblance of authority yet GA reports to EG.

Heh! Did poster "GM" morph into Bullets Fever #1?

The 18 inch posts & writing style give him away.

Posted by: Buck | November 9, 2007 12:22 PM

From ESPN.com:

Thursday's Worst

DeShawn Stevenson, Wizards guard: Knee's probably buggin' him. Misses all four shots in 13 minutes of action, committing three fouls for good measure as the Wiz stay winless.

Posted by: KALORAMA | November 9, 2007 12:32 PM

That was a joke. I can't beleive Jordan is defending Arenas. When you're LOSING, there no reason to run out the lock like Arenas did. You only do that in a tie. It was a joke and symbollic of what will hold Arenas back from joining the true elite.

Posted by: Oz | November 9, 2007 12:38 PM

It was Turkoglu in Orlando game, last night it was Nachbar; a role player, Wizards have no answer of. Songaila absolutely cannot guard Nachbar. He just shot over Songaila's over-stretched arm.

Posted by: Sagaliba | November 9, 2007 12:40 PM

I was suggesting the Snow that played with AI, not the current version. Even then I thought he was a liability, actually. But yo get what I'm saying. As for Ginobili, he's more of the '2 guard who can hit an open 3 and defend' type that GA could use.

Also, a point that Sagaliba makes that's true is that all of this would be moot if we had guarded Granger, Turkoglu, and Nachbar. Those 3 killed us when they had no business doing so. Keep those guys from shooting open 3's and we would probably be 3-1.

Posted by: mark | November 9, 2007 12:47 PM

Heh! Did poster "GM" morph into Bullets Fever #1?

The 18 inch posts & writing style give him away.

Posted by: Buck | November 9, 2007 12:22 PM

Nope Buck. You guessed wrong. I am not GM. I am who I have always been on this blog, Bullets Fever #1 formally known as Mikey. Sorry for the 18 inch long posts, I have to vent somewhere. Sometimes one or two paragraphs can't do it for me. I will try to shorten them.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 9, 2007 12:49 PM

"Eric Snow is about 5 years past his prime and is smaller than Gilbert. Ginobili is not and never has been a PG.

Right now Gilbert has one problem, and that's his knee. He's simply not healthy enough to do the things we're used to seeing him do. if he was, most of this other stuff wouldn't even be an issue.

Posted by: kalorama | November 9, 2007 12:09 PM "

Eric Snow may be older and shorter than Gilby, but Eric Snow is leaps and bounds tougher and more hard nosed than Gilby. When has Gilby ever taken a charge or fouled someone hard? He gave VC a free pass at the end for the breakaway layup.

Gilby has 2 issues right now, not just his knee. Gilby's shot is not there, and has been off for a long time. Sure, his shot could be related to his knee issue, but Gilby's shot was way off last season right after the all star break when he had no knee issue.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 9, 2007 1:03 PM

"Tougher and more hard nosed" don't translate into "better player."

Posted by: kalorama | November 9, 2007 1:11 PM

""Tougher and more hard nosed" don't translate into "better player."

Posted by: kalorama | November 9, 2007 01:11 PM "

When did I ever say Snow was a better player? I didn't.

Being tougher and more hard nosed means something when you're talking about defense. Oakley or Anthony Mason weren't the most athletic guys out there, but they made people fear them on defense, and one of them was Scottie Pippen. Basketball is not just athletic, it's psychological too.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 9, 2007 1:22 PM

The Turgalu, Granger and Nachbar thing points again to the fact that we must develop quickly DMac as a defensive stopper. I have been saying that since June. He is raw but needs to get the expereince. Needs to play 12-15 minutes foor the next 15 games.

Posted by: BmoreRev | November 9, 2007 1:30 PM

Time for EJ to get ready to dust off that resume.

Posted by: Stick | November 9, 2007 1:45 PM

There is one comment on this list that stuck out to me. The one about Songaila being in for AJ on the Jefferson offensive rebound and subsequent winning FTs. If Songaila was the tallest Wizard on the floor during that play, then my question is why in the #$@#$@#$@#$#@$@#$@# wasn't Haywood on the floor for DEFENSIVE purposes?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Now I feel better.

Posted by: George Templeton | November 9, 2007 1:53 PM

Derek wrote: "Mason is a bust. Maybe he can turn it around by practicing 1000 3'sa day. I hope he's listening."

I resemble that remark, Derek.

By the way, has anyone seen my "J"?

Sincerely
R. Mason, Unior

Posted by: R. Mason, Unior | November 9, 2007 2:01 PM

George,

Haywood had a bad game yesterday, 3 rebounds, 2 points in 30 minutes. Songaila pulled down 6 boards in only 15 minutes. Not really a shock that Jordan decided to go with Darius down the stretch.

Posted by: kalorama | November 9, 2007 2:09 PM

Darius' D on Nachbar was to have one foot next to the paint while his man was at the 3 point line.

Is that a coaching? Is that EJ saying - let them beat us with 3's? Or is that Darius crowding the lane?


Posted by: Cballer | November 9, 2007 2:22 PM

Okay, I'm gonna get off temporarily on the "Fire EJ' campaign and start lighting the fire on EG instead. Since last season, Gil already mentioned that he will test free agency if he see's that there are no improvement. In other words, WIN NOW. What did the management do, load the team with rookies and sophomores. We should have traded them for veterans who can help the team at once.

Posted by: Dave, | November 9, 2007 2:22 PM

"Okay, I'm gonna get off temporarily on the "Fire EJ' campaign and start lighting the fire on EG instead. Since last season, Gil already mentioned that he will test free agency if he see's that there are no improvement. In other words, WIN NOW. What did the management do, load the team with rookies and sophomores. We should have traded them for veterans who can help the team at once.

Posted by: Dave, | November 9, 2007 02:22 PM "

Amen, look at boston.

But, check this out: Gilby was quoted recently during an interview with Chick H. as saying if either Caron and or AJ are not on this team next season, he's considering the team in a rebuilding process and he's gone. So, he's basically telling EG that these two guys need to be here next season.

Before that, he said he wanted DS on this team. Even before that, Gilby said he wasn't going to meddle in personnel affairs.

Therefore, you can't really blame EG for a lot of stuff that's gone on, especially since you have an owner who's thrifty.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 9, 2007 2:32 PM

Granted, Haywood didn't have a great game yesterday, but I don't think he was "bad." Wizards shot a better percentage yesterday, so there goes the offensive rebounds (60% of Haywood's rebounds this season came from offensive end) and put-backs (which again accounts for most of his scoring). I saw him in numerous times was in great position for offensive rebounds and put-backs, but the ball went in! Good for Big3's stats but not Haywood's. He didn't get many defensive rebounds, as Phil Chenier pointed out, Nets intentionally drew him away from the basket (for obvious reason, like this one: http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.php?content=video&url=http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbacom/botn/botn_070227.asx). He did get 3 blocks, how many Songaila got?

Posted by: Sagaliba | November 9, 2007 2:37 PM

Posted by: Sagaliba | November 9, 2007 2:40 PM

I still think its too early to panic, but as long as we are on this blog, lets spread the wealth around. Not only should EG be held accountable for not improving the team this summer ( I'm sorry, but like
Dave said, freshman and sophmores are seldom help right away). And as for who was on the court at the end of the game when we were in defensive mode ... shouldn't that be a part of what Ayers is adding to the bench. Spread this muck around.

But I'm not panicking. Last year: wiz started 4 - 0. How'd that end up? Chicago started 0-9. How'd that end up? Dallas started 0-4. How'd that end up? Spurs started 0-4. How'd that end up?

Chill Out ... Gil's not 100%. The team looks very rusty on offense (actually, they are not really running the offense most of the time ... too many quick shots). I think they will come around.

I guess the team has spent so much time on defense, that they spent very little time on offense ( hense the rust), therefore, little time to practice against zones.

Here's hoping Haywood bounces back tonight ( or is this a part of a well known pattern).

Oh Oh ... Blatche got a decent number of minutes last night, but he didn't do sqaut. He does this each year, play great in the preseason, then looks very average against real competition. Here's hoping he picks up his game.

Posted by: 2cents4wiz | November 9, 2007 2:40 PM

Look, everybody needs to chill. The Wiz were on the road against a very good NJ team. Except for a bad stretch in the second quarter, they played pretty well. It came down to the last possession. Gil made a split-second choice to go to the right, rather than try a crossover to the left or pull up for a long contested three. Amazingly often, he's able to get the shot he wants and make it. This time, he didn't. Even MJ in his prime didn't do it every time. You gotta live with that and move on.

Posted by: John Brisker | November 9, 2007 2:45 PM

"Wizards shot a better percentage yesterday, so there goes the offensive rebounds (60% of Haywood's rebounds this season came from offensive end) and put-backs (which again accounts for most of his scoring)."

Both teams shot under 40% from the field. There were plenty of rebounds to be had at both ends. Songaila, Jamison, and Butler didn't seem to have any problem finding them. Any time your 7 foot starting C plays 30 minutes and only grabs 3 boards, it's a bad game, no matter how you spin it.

Posted by: kalorama | November 9, 2007 2:47 PM

Truth - In my humble opinion, what the wiz need is a SHOOTING guard (i.e., kapono, barry, etc.). I believe that JCN is way better than Mason (see his 0-3 in 3 point land last night).I still think that's one pick that we should have kept.


Posted by: Dave | November 9, 2007 11:26 AM

then your stupid! how about JCN 1-5 game the other night or the 23% shooting from the field or his 4 turnovers not to mention the comentators in MEM complaning about his defense. Get real. Once again, I've seen this guy play many times I'll take roger or Deshawn anyday over him. We do need some help scoring right now but JCN is not the answer. But it doesn't matter to anyone on here cause obviously evryone thinks he's a god. He is streakier than a fat mans underwear. and undersized. EG is a genius for making this trade, even if we never see the pick it's still a good trade.

Posted by: the truth | November 9, 2007 2:49 PM

"Look, everybody needs to chill. The Wiz were on the road against a very good NJ team. Except for a bad stretch in the second quarter, they played pretty well. "

I have to agree with this somewhat. As disappointing as the loss was, in years past they probably would have gone into the tank after they'd given up that lead and ended up losing by double digits.

Posted by: kalorama | November 9, 2007 3:00 PM

I read your articles and blogs regularly, and mostly enjoy them. But it seems like you, Wise, and Lee never ever utter a single criticism towards the coach. I understand the he may be a nice guy, and you guys don't want to be jerks, but it is your job to report on this team. Not just what is going on, but why it may be going on as well.

I'm not going to blame Jordan for our start (even though it's clear the team was unprepared for the start of the season - yes the players are missing shots, but could that be becuase we need a "mini-camp" a week into the season to work on the offense that wasn't worked on in the pre-season and training camp?). I'm not even going to dwell on how Jordan refuses to give Blatche, our only low post option, and the perfect center (great passer and ball handler) to run our offense through at the high post, any substantial minutes after raving about the camp and preseason he had (you think Tinsley might have been slowed down a bit in that 4th qtr with Blatche back there swatting his shots, and perhaphs Blatche's long arms and quickness would have found him with that rebounnd last night instead of RJ).

My main issue here is Jordan's rotation patterns, and more specificly, Arenas' minutes coming off of surgery. Anyone who has followed this team the last few years knows that Jordan has always been terrible at establishing roles for his bench players, as well as perpetually using bizarre rotations (see Jarvis Hayes logging 40 minutes at PF in a game last year). But to see him first play Arenas 40 plus minutes in that blowout at Boston, when they had to travel and play the next night, knowng he's coming off of surgery. Then Gil misses 3 practices, has his knee drained, and goes for 42 minutes last night, when they have to travel and play again tonight?! It doesn't take Stephen Hawking to figure out you need to get Gil some more rest. And I know EJ took the stance that Gil will play as much as he wants, but we all know Gil's a bit quirky, and needs to be told to slow it down a bit. It's a long season, and to see the minutes he's logging already, fresh off a summer surgery, it just doesn't shock me that we have to hear through Gil telling ESPN that he needs to play less minutes. What does shock me is how the Post's Wiz writers perpetually see no evil when it comes to Eddie Jordan.

Ivan, I respect you and mostly enjoy your blog, and as you can see I'm not one of these knuckle-heads writing to tell you how you, or the team sucks and we need Kobe. I'm seriously interested in why you guys never seem to question Jordan, and would be most appreciative of any response you may have to offer. Thanks --

Posted by: baffled in DC | November 9, 2007 3:15 PM

re. Navarro, it's been pointed out before that he would not play in Washington, never intended to, never wanted to. He only got his club to lower his buyout price after Deshawn was signed. All the speculation about how Navarro might help the Wiz is absolutely useless.

Posted by: rgz | November 9, 2007 3:19 PM

kalorama,

You seem don't understand what I wrote, or intend to spin it. I said, Wizards shot a better percentage than the previous 3 games, not in comparison to Nets. (Haywood didn't get his 8.3 offensive rebounds playing as a Nets, did he?)

In addition, I was talking about "offensive" rebounds! Over 60% of Haywood's rebounds are offensive! How many percentages of Songaila, Jamison, and Butler's rebounds are "offensive?" I checked the stats for you, the answer is 29%!

So 60% of Haywood's rebounds are result of Wizards missing shots, while 71% of Songaila,-Jamison,-Butler's rebounds are the result of opponents missing shot! You see the difference?

Besides, Haywood shot 1 for 2, grabbed 3 rebounds, and 3 blocks, and you called him "had a bad game;" while Songaila shot 2 for 4, 6 rebounds, and no blocks, looked pretty even to me, but no mention of "bad game" for Songaila from you, why is that?

Posted by: Sagaliba | November 9, 2007 3:22 PM

Flip Saunders has been quoted saying that he will be using 10-11 players per game for the long haul so as to get his first team rest, to get his role players more confident, so that the stars will feel comfortable that the second unit is getting the job done. Now that guy knows he has a winning team, and he is focusing on the entire season and the post season, not just the next ten games.

Posted by: rgz | November 9, 2007 3:23 PM

Oh Oh ... Blatche got a decent number of minutes last night, but he didn't do sqaut. He does this each year, play great in the preseason, then looks very average against real competition. Here's hoping he picks up his game.

Posted by: 2cents4wiz | November 9, 2007 02:40 PM

2 cents, what do you mean he did not do sqaut? Again, he is under the same leash Haywood was under last year. When he enters the game, most of the time all of the big three are still in the game or least 2 of them. What that means is he is getting no touches or shots for that matter.

EJ's mindgames with his minutes have him out there playing scared to not make a mistake, so how in the heck is he going to be productive when he has to keep looking to the bench when he hears the substitution buzzer go off?

I like that lineup someone suggested moving CB to the "2" and AJ to the 3 and AB to the "4". Or put in Songalia at the starting "4" and let AB come in on the second unit with most of the big three out. There he will feel more loose and play better.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 9, 2007 3:27 PM

Besides, Haywood shot 1 for 2, grabbed 3 rebounds, and 3 blocks, and you called him "had a bad game;" while Songaila shot 2 for 4, 6 rebounds, and no blocks, looked pretty even to me, but no mention of "bad game" for Songaila from you, why is that?

Posted by: Sagaliba | November 9, 2007 03:22 PM

Sagaliba - I see what you are trying to say. There was no way Haywood was going to have a good rebounding game with the "5"'s he was checking on defense. Haywood could not even play "D" in the block because he had to "go out to his man". If he sagged to far off of him he would be called for illegal defense.

Jamison's man on the other hand stayed closer to the basket, thus Jamison was able to grab alot of defensive rebounds. Haywood did not play a bad game yesterday. He did not play a good or great game either. It was an average game for him considering the "5's" he was checking.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 9, 2007 3:34 PM

Any time your 7 foot starting C plays 30 minutes and only grabs 3 boards, it's a bad game, no matter how you spin it.
Posted by: kalorama
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So Haywood is held to a higher standard because he is 7 foot. If this logic hold, then explain to me why insist on putting a smaller Songaila at center when clearly he cannot defend the post like a 7-footer can? So that you can say that he did his best, but it is not his fault because "he is not 7 foot?"

Posted by: Sagaliba | November 9, 2007 3:36 PM

Sagaliba - I see what you are trying to say. There was no way Haywood was going to have a good rebounding game with the "5"'s he was checking on defense. Haywood could not even play "D" in the block because he had to "go out to his man". If he sagged to far off of him he would be called for illegal defense.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1
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Well, this was pointed out by Phil Chenier duing the broadcast.

Haywood is not a good defensive rebounder. Even in previous 3 "good games" that Haywood had, Jamison had more defensive rebounds than Haywood. I have said that Haywood is only a "serviceable" center; I would never mistake him for all-star. But I found people who are so eager to criticize him (in comparison to others) amazing.

Posted by: Sagaliba | November 9, 2007 3:46 PM

Haywood did not have a good statistical game last night. But I thought he played pretty well. A lot of things he does don't show up in the box score -- help defense, keeping his man off the boards, etc. And as was mentioned previously, NJ had a plan to contain him by collapsing all 5 guys on the defensive boards.

Still, growth for him would be to grab more than 3 rebounds in that sort of game.

Posted by: Sean | November 9, 2007 3:48 PM

BTH is not a quick guy. No way he goes out to guard perimeter oriented centers and makes it back under the hoop for rebounds. That's not his fault. Not many 7 footers can do that. When he's played against a low post C, he's been good. No disputing that.

Posted by: mark | November 9, 2007 3:52 PM

Any time your 7 foot starting C plays 30 minutes and only grabs 3 boards, it's a bad game, no matter how you spin it.
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So Haywood is held to a higher standard because he is 7 foot. If this logic hold, then explain to me why insist on putting a smaller Songaila at center when clearly he cannot defend the post like a 7-footer can? So that you can say that he did his best, but it is not his fault because "he is not 7 foot?"

Posted by: Sagaliba | November 9, 2007 03:36 PM

Here's the problem. EJ needs Songalia offense from the 5 spot, and he needs Haywood's defense from the 5 spot. EJ chooses offense over defense. He thinks Songalia will get a rebound first before Haywood is able to score in the crucial last minutes of a game.

Now I see EJ's logic, but there is one flaw to what he does. There is a thing called "offense/defense" substitutions. On defense he can sub in Haywood and on offense he could sub in Songalia. But guess what, EJ refuses to do so. Don't know the reason why, only he knows.

Thus, he leaves Songalia in there on the defensive end of games. What happens, second chance shots by the opposing team because Songalia is going up against the teams starting "5". Songalia is a "4", not a "5". How can EJ expect for us to get a defensive rebound with Songalia and Jamison in there on the defensive end.

This is where great coaching would have Haywood/Blatche and DMac subbing (spelling??) with AJ and Songalia defense for offense. But guess what, EJ fails to do so for only reasons of his own......

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 9, 2007 3:52 PM

But I found people who are so eager to criticize him (in comparison to others) amazing.

Posted by: Sagaliba | November 9, 2007 03:46 PM

I agree with you 110% on that........

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 9, 2007 3:59 PM

re. Navarro, it's been pointed out before that he would not play in Washington, never intended to, never wanted to. He only got his club to lower his buyout price after Deshawn was signed. All the speculation about how Navarro might help the Wiz is absolutely useless.

Posted by: rgz | November 9, 2007 03:19 PM

You are 100% correct. He only wanted to played with Gasol. They also told the wiz he wanted almost 4mil a year to play here cause he new we couldn't afford it.

Posted by: the truth | November 9, 2007 5:45 PM

"So Haywood is held to a higher standard because he is 7 foot. If this logic hold, then explain to me why insist on putting a smaller Songaila at center when clearly he cannot defend the post like a 7-footer can? So that you can say that he did his best, but it is not his fault because "he is not 7 foot?""

Uh... huh?

What the hell are you talking about? "Higher standards?" Wha...?

Look, it's simple. Haywood is in there to rebound and defend the basket, and contribute whatever garbage points he can. He played 30 minutes, got 2 points, 3 rebounds, and was frequently taken out of his comfort zone trying to defend away from the basket. It was a bad game. Period. If a guy's having a bad game, it makes sense for the coach to put someone else in. Songaila played half as many minutes as Haywood and had twice as many rebounds and three times as many points. He had a better game. Period. All that other nonsense you brought up about "standards" yadda, yadda is just that ... nonsense.

Haywood had a bad game. Just accept it and let it go.

Posted by: kalorama | November 9, 2007 6:09 PM

"Haywood is not a good defensive rebounder."

The numbers say otherwise.

Currently he's averaging 3.2 defensive rebounds per game versus 2.6 offensive rebounds per game over his entire career, that's including the new career highs he's setting so far this season for off. rebounds per game.

If you take out the first four games of this season (which, based on his overall numbers are an aberration not the norm) he's averaged 3.1 defensive rebounds versus 2.5 offensive rebounds for his career.

Any way you slice it, the evidence of his entire 6+ year career says he's actually a better defensive rebounder than offensive rebounder.

Posted by: kalorama | November 9, 2007 6:23 PM

"Besides, Haywood shot 1 for 2, grabbed 3 rebounds, and 3 blocks, and you called him "had a bad game;" while Songaila shot 2 for 4, 6 rebounds, and no blocks, looked pretty even to me, but no mention of "bad game" for Songaila from you, why is that?"

Because, for the umpteenth time, Songaila played half as many minutes as Haywood and produced double and triple the tangible results. For a guy who makes such a big deal out of numbers, those should be some pretty easy ones to crunch.

Posted by: kalorama | November 9, 2007 6:29 PM

Just so we're clear, nowhere did I say or imply Songaila actually had a good game. But he had a better one than Haywood, which (in answer to George's original question, which is where this all began) Jordan took Haywood out and went with Songaila down the stretch. Just that simple.

Posted by: kalorama | November 9, 2007 6:41 PM

Well, where to begin? I did not see the game, but there is WAY too much talk centered on DS in this thread. He is a role player not playing that well yet, so what!!! Sadly, he is our best perimeter defender even if he is slightly above average at best.

What else? Ummm...EJ sucks no matter what anyone says. Developing players is not his forte obviously.

EG, well for all you wanna be GM's he is the best GM this team has ever had quite possibly. Butler for Kwame etc... We don't get jobbed anymore in trades. Plus, for all you wanting the magic big man or veterans, who? Who was out there that wanted to come here? STOP with the Navarro crap. He made himself available after DS was signed and we drafted NY. Think that was an accident? Plus, he is another scorer with no D. Yeah, we need more of those kind of players.

Bottom line: With GA and Jamison starting this team will always suck on D. With GA hurting the offense is not where it was last year and might not ever be this year. Develop the young talented players and build for next year. I never thought the Championship was in our sights this year anyway.

I am not panicking I just think with a gimpy Gilbert this is the year that zero defense catches up to us. And it's comical to pull NY or McGuire after getting burned on D once or twice when GA and Jamison get burned for the entire game!!!

We will probably still make the playoffs and lose in the first round at best.

Posted by: Rob P | November 9, 2007 6:53 PM

"Haywood is not a good defensive rebounder."

The numbers say otherwise.

Currently he's averaging 3.2 defensive rebounds per game versus 2.6 offensive rebounds per game over his entire career, that's including the new career highs he's setting so far this season for off. rebounds per game.

If you take out the first four games of this season (which, based on his overall numbers are an aberration not the norm) he's averaged 3.1 defensive rebounds versus 2.5 offensive rebounds for his career.

Any way you slice it, the evidence of his entire 6+ year career says he's actually a better defensive rebounder than offensive rebounder.

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Hello, do you even realize 2.5 offensive rebound is considered good in NBA, while 3.1 defensive rebounds not good at all? Go compare to the average offensive rebounds vs. defensive rebounds in NBA! You would know that you have just proved my point!

Besides, the number you quoted is the career average for Haywood. In the first 3 games, Haywood got 60% of offensive rebounds, that's how he achieved double-double. Without 60% of offensive rebounds, he would not have double-digit rebounds. (What is the sum of 2.5 and 3.1? Thank you.)

Posted by: Sagaliba | November 10, 2007 12:23 PM

Look, it's simple. Haywood is in there to rebound and defend the basket.

Haywood had a bad game. Just accept it and let it go.

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Look, it is the CENTER's job to rebound and defend the basket, whoever the center is! You don't criticize one guy for not doing his job, while when someone else is there, then it is OK for him not to do well because he is not 7 foot! (Well, if he cannot do the job as a center, then coach should not put him there.)

You don't want talk number, fine. Did you watch the game at all? Songaila was directly responsible for at least three Nachbar (his man)'s 3-pointers! He gave up far more points in shorter time than Haywood, and you could not accept that he just does not defend as well.

Songaila produced more points (4 pts), but gave up more. To compare players, you have to look at the overall picture. Doesn't Haywood's 3 blocks (which you intentionaly avoid to mention)worth the 4 more points Songaila got? To me their performance is a wash; yet you singled out Haywood for criticism. I don't know what personal issues you have with Haywood, but can't you just let it go?

Posted by: Sagaliba | November 10, 2007 12:49 PM

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