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As you can probably tell from the telecast, it's a wild atmosphere here in the Garden tonight. So far, the offensive problems that plauged the Wiz in Wednesday's opener are killing them again. The main issue is poor shooting. Right now they trail 38-26 and the Wiz are shooting 35.7 percent. Antawn Jamison, who just missed two straight wide open threes, is 2-of-9. Paul Pierce (14 points on 6 of 9 shooting) is killing the Wiz.

By Ivan Carter |  November 2, 2007; 8:50 PM ET
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Posted by: k-dub | November 2, 2007 9:06 PM

Hope everyone is watching. This is who we are. Bad jumpers, no defense, inability to stop penetration, wide open jumpers, match up problems, no depth to help if any of the big three is off, and no chance in an Eastern division where everyone got better except us.

I'm sick to my stomach watching this game.

Posted by: Bernard King | November 2, 2007 9:14 PM

First half today ended like first half on Wednesday--wide open penetration through the middle of the lane to the basket.

Boston is showing the Wizards what it means to have three talented scorers, a shallow bench, but a good defensive presence. They're providing Washington with a model, and the Wizards should be embarrassed that they didn't figure it out first. But more importantly, EJ should be canned. Is it too early to let him go?

Posted by: Colin | November 2, 2007 9:18 PM

This is pathetic. There doesn't seem to be much heart or effort out there. Unless and until both show up, it's going to be a long season.

Posted by: iceberg | November 2, 2007 9:19 PM

Jamison has just played the "WHOLE HALF" at 31 years old!!!!!!!!!! AB has one 3 minutes!!!!!!!! AD and Gilbert can not play together!!!!! AD is suppose to "spell" Gilbert, not play with him!!!

Once again, Eddie is not showing the ability to "ADJUST" as one poster said to give him time. Does EJ not have "any trust" in his bench????? EJ might be writing himself his own pink slip if he keeps these rotations flowing the way the are. Help..........!!!!!!

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 2, 2007 9:22 PM

Brutal in Beantown.

Posted by: Mitch | November 2, 2007 9:24 PM

Jamison has just played the "WHOLE HALF" at 31 years old!!!!!!!!!! AB has one 3 minutes!!!!!!!! AD and Gilbert can not play together!!!!! AD is suppose to "spell" Gilbert, not play with him!!!

Once again, Eddie is not showing the ability to "ADJUST" as one poster said to give him time to do so. Does EJ not have "any trust" in his bench????? EJ might be writing himself his own pink slip if he keeps these rotations flowing the way the are. Help..........!!!!!!

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 2, 2007 9:24 PM

Gilbert Arenas need to learn how to pass a Basketball..!!!

Posted by: Mamamia | November 2, 2007 9:33 PM

Gil needs to stop making all these predictions in the press.

He's getting distracted trying to become a "superstar".

Play ball and you'll be a superstar. Stop trying to talk yourself into one.

Posted by: shut yo mouf | November 2, 2007 9:41 PM

I'm starting to have a strong distaste for EJ. Moreso than ever before in the past. AB played well against KG last year, but he can't get any run in this game. Ludicrous. EJ is awful. Just awful. Never too early to let this guy go. Sooner the better. I don't care who takes over because it simply can't be worse. It just can't be.

Posted by: Colin | November 2, 2007 9:43 PM

is Haywood really trying to get swolled up after that dunk? You're down 25 numbskull.

Posted by: ha ha | November 2, 2007 9:44 PM

Anyone who say it early in the season need to wake up. This team had played together for 3 years! Boston just got together and handling us a whuppin like tonight is flat out embarrassing. Let's hope they will show up tomorrow night. As for arenas, if you going to talk, talk the walk. Otherwise, shesh!

Posted by: Demj | November 2, 2007 9:44 PM

Wow... this is bad. The worst part is that I knew this was going to be a 20-30 point blow out 5 minutes into the game. Their shooting is still not there, they're still turning the ball over way too much, and they still give up way too many easy shots. All of that, plus all of the hype and excitement in Boston tonight, spells disaster.

Let's hope they can turn things around at home tomorrow night. 0-3 would not be a good way to start the season.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 2, 2007 9:44 PM

the Piz are playing like its their 5 game in 7 nights in the middle of February.

Where's the energy?

Gotta blame the coach for that.

Posted by: motivation | November 2, 2007 9:45 PM

We just quit midway through the third.

To the guys who are talking about adjusting, teams with players can adjust. We have 3. If they are off, we have no other bullets in the gun. Think about the good teams and then think about the answers we can provide.

Pierce is on fire, go get nick young to look lost on offense and turn the ball over.

Completely irresponsible that this is the team we are watching. It's a slap in the face to fans who pay for tickets that they won't even bring in another player to take Thomas' spot because they don't want to spend the $. Instead of Juan Carlos Navarro, we have oleg barnikov who couldn't help GWU right now.

We're told 'continuity' and we're supposed to be satisfied with this nonsense.

Posted by: Bernard King | November 2, 2007 9:46 PM

Grunfeld needs to make a deal for Kobe, keep Butler but deal whoever and whatever to get him.

This team smells like stale urine.

Posted by: ZERO | November 2, 2007 9:46 PM

At least they broke 50 pts.

Posted by: FIF-TAY! | November 2, 2007 9:48 PM

maybe after all both EJ and Gilbert can go....

Posted by: Wilbon | November 2, 2007 9:49 PM

Has he gotten any better since he's been in the league?

Posted by: Haywood | November 2, 2007 9:49 PM

DC sports...... stinks!!!

Posted by: DC baby | November 2, 2007 9:55 PM

I have a feeling this is a pre-cursor to things to come...NO D!, Nothing new their and after a d-focused T-camp, can't win that way and Jamison, yikes!

Posted by: Damn! | November 2, 2007 9:57 PM

Funny how Boston is playing good "D" with a coach who we had, but EJ ran out of here.........

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 2, 2007 9:59 PM

why? wheres Dmac? to play some D? What the is Young doing out there?

Posted by: NYoung? | November 2, 2007 9:59 PM

Haywood getting minutes and producing. This could have happened last year. Anyway, a start is a start. Way to finally take the blinders off on this one EJ.....

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 2, 2007 10:01 PM

New Coach! This looks like a prese-season game.

Posted by: Snooze... | November 2, 2007 10:02 PM

Who has Jerry Buss number...

Posted by: R.R | November 2, 2007 10:02 PM

Word!

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2007 10:03 PM

Well let's see Haywood has 10 points and 12 rebounds. I'd say he has been playing pretty well so far.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2007 10:04 PM

Is AB hurt? Are you telling me DMAC can not get a run in a 23 point down game?? The Wiz just have sealed their fate for getting on more national tv.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 2, 2007 10:07 PM

I think it comes down to coaching as many have said on this blog...it's gotta start there.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2007 10:10 PM

They started off slow last year. Do you guys even remember that. They were 4-9 and they lost their first 9 or 10 road games.

Then they ended up 27-17, the best record in the East before injuries hit.

At first, you probably wanted to break up the team and fire EJ, and then when they were 27-17 you probably thought they were the best thing since sliced bread.

Have some preception. Look at them after 20-30 games them make a judgement.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2007 10:10 PM

At least show some passion on D! Some effort. Pretend...that is all I ask.

Posted by: I agree! | November 2, 2007 10:13 PM

Looks like it is "small-ball" time. Butler, Songalia, gilbert, Jamison and Young. 9:38 mark so knowing EJ he will probably close the game with this lineup.

Still no AB. I am starting to think AB is the new Brendon Haywood this year?? Thoughts....????

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 2, 2007 10:13 PM

Nice D.

Posted by: Gilbert! | November 2, 2007 10:14 PM

I thought he was going to get some time and with the celtics and granet I think this would have been a good game for him?

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2007 10:16 PM

Why is Gil still in the GAME???? 5/19.............. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Posted by: Randy | November 2, 2007 10:26 PM

Ditto. Why is AJ still in the game? Where is AB?? Now the mind games start again this year. Last year Haywood, and now the young boy AB.

DMac just came into the game and he looks "ticked off". He just took a quick jumper. That just showed how mad he is right now. Can't say I don't blame him....

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 2, 2007 10:35 PM

When things are going bad, notice how all the cockaroaches disappear. They be GM, Lisa, Ray, Mark, and all the rest of the homers on this board who are die hard Gilby fans (go figure).

Needless to say, both the Celtic players and the fans were riled up after hearing and reading what Gilby predicted about how he will beat the Celtics and how he will look good with his new haircut.

Looking at the box score, Gilby had a worse night tonight than Wednesday night.

BTW, notice that Detroit won and Jarvis had a great game and great shooting percentage. Oh well, such is life.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 2, 2007 10:36 PM

Oh I forgot, this is just another one of the 32 (or 34) expected losses as predicted by GM. No big deal.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 2, 2007 10:37 PM

Ivan, did Gilby give you another wink as he was stretching? Did you get another warm and fuzzy?

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 2, 2007 10:38 PM

"They started off slow last year. Do you guys even remember that. They were 4-9 and they lost their first 9 or 10 road games.

Then they ended up 27-17, the best record in the East before injuries hit.

At first, you probably wanted to break up the team and fire EJ, and then when they were 27-17 you probably thought they were the best thing since sliced bread.

Have some preception. Look at them after 20-30 games them make a judgement.

Posted by: | November 2, 2007 10:10 PM "


Whatever Lisa.

This team has been intact for the past 3 years. There is absolutely no reason for a "slow start." In case you forgot, Les BouleS were almost eliminated from the playoffs last season after being #1 in the east at all star break. In conclusion: EVERY GAME COUNTS!

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 2, 2007 10:41 PM

So at least the Wizards radio guy, Dave Johnson, was vindicated, his quote, "mark my words Caron Butler will not have 8 turnovers tonight" ....he only had 7 tonight! Yay!

0-15 from 3 for, 19 TOs, 32% shooting, no D, no PT for young kids despite blowout in 3rd...hard to imagine this looking much worse. Boston however looks like they are going to be the new Beast of the East. good chemistry between their big 3.

I don't think EJ is going to last 10 games...unless we can get that trade for Kobe done. But I am guessing after these 1st two games the Lakers are going to need a lot more than just Gilbert.

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 2, 2007 10:43 PM

Shot selection, shot selection, shot selection. Is the Princeton offense really designed to get guys contested 22 footers?

Posted by: Sean | November 2, 2007 10:44 PM

I dont care how they started off last season. They got their butts whopped TONIGHT!! Boston brought it and showed who rocks the house. Despite how they start and finish EVERY year, they NEVER make it past the 2nd round in the play offs

Posted by: Randy | November 2, 2007 10:44 PM

This should be a lesson for Gilbert to keep his mouth shut and play. I love Gil, but he needs to keep his mouth shut.

EJ not playing DMac and AB is crazy. I will never be able to figure out how this guy substitutes.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 2, 2007 10:47 PM

Is the Princeton offense really designed to get guys contested 22 footers?

Posted by: Sean | November 2, 2007 10:44 PM

Sean,
Dead on, I ask myself this every time I watch this team play. In Indiana there was great pass that Blatche made to Arenas cutting back door and he scored the layup. The Wizards bench exloaded with looks of disbelief that appeared to be, "That looks like the stuff Eddie makes us do in practice! Damn!"

Whatever this is we watch, it is not the Princeton offense.

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 2, 2007 10:52 PM

There is a perfect phrase to describe the Wizards play tonight: an abject display.

They were outshot, outplayed, outhustled, outeverythinged! Honestly I thought Haywood played well, can't say the same for everyone else. In fact most of them aren't fit to wear the jersey right now. Utterly pathetic.

It maybe 0-2, but the nature of this start is what is so dispiriting. It better change soon or EJ will need to be fired and EG will need to make a deal to shake this thing up.

As for Kobe, if he sees this 0-2 start he won't want to come here because it sure as hell doesn't look like this team is anywhere near competing for anything.

I am disgusted.

Posted by: George Templeton | November 2, 2007 10:53 PM

'Twas I who said during the summer that if this team doesn't hit the ground running, then EJ will be canned. Ayers might take over. Regardless of all that, Gilby ain't looking like no max player right now. Only thing max is the size of his mouth.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 2, 2007 10:54 PM

Formula for wins last year: run the offense and shoot well. rebound. dont make turnovers. this year, lots of turnovers, not running the offense; taking quick jumpers means no rebound opportunities. just brutal to watch.

its early so we cant get too riled up. but does anybody really think they will turn it on and win a bunch in december again? the east is much improved, across the board. its gonna be tough. i figure EJ gets canned by end of season. just hope we can hold on to Gil.

this team is legit if we add big men with presence, and a coach who can inspire and get the team to play d. we'll see. i like grunfeld, lets hope he can work some magic.

ps. why no PT for blatche tonight? down 20? why not?

Posted by: Andy | November 2, 2007 10:54 PM

Now you guys were saying about that 50 win season and the much-improved bench....

Why leave your starters in until 4 minutes left when there's a game tomorrow night?

Good effort by the Woodman. EJ will keep playing him since we have no backup center. You guys who think AB or DS is a center are still swilling the Kool-Aid.

AJ needs to start attacking the hoop and forget about his jumper for a while.

gIlbert was just awful. Why he puts the extra pressure on himself with the silly predictions is anyone's guess.

Give NY 20-25 minutes a game. DS is unproductive anyway and AD looks like a shell of his former self.

Second game in a row we barely got into double figures in assists.

Nice to see DSong wake up. Too bad it took him until the second half.

Posted by: Mitch | November 2, 2007 10:56 PM

Was Ernie at the game? If so, I wonder if he thought about walking over to Jeff Van Gundy, asking him if he was interested in coaching the Wizards, and firing Eddie in the 2nd quarter? Not that he would do it, but did it at least cross his mind???

Posted by: Joe | November 2, 2007 11:05 PM

Mr. Templeton,
You are correct, no chance Kobe would want to be here. Sorry Eddie..

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | November 2, 2007 11:05 PM

It's a sad state of affairs when the team MVP is Brendan Haywood, and I've decided to cast my all-star votes for the backcourt of Rajon Rondo and Mike Dunleavy.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2007 11:07 PM

fire eddie hire jeff van gundy

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2007 11:08 PM

By the way, nice defense by Thibodeau and the Celtics. (&#@*&% Eddie....)

Posted by: Sean | November 2, 2007 11:10 PM

Gil some advice... 1) focus on basketball and stop the media blitz, you are starting to look selfish and you are embarrassing yourself 2) when on the court stop loving your J and DRIVE THE DAMN BALL

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2007 11:10 PM

I can't believe I am saying this (because I can't stand the style of play Van Gundy coaches), but why not. I mean Van Gundy is probably completely wrong for this team, but if this start gets any worse, they might as well bring him in. Another 3 or 4 losses in this fashion and the Wizards will be at the try-anything stage.

Posted by: George Templeton | November 2, 2007 11:12 PM

It's a sad state of affairs when the team MVP is Brendan Haywood, and I've decided to cast my all-star votes for the backcourt of Rajon Rondo and Mike Dunleavy.

Posted by: | November 2, 2007 11:07 PM

Funny

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2007 11:13 PM

Funny. Bucky said a stat in the first half indicated that Les BouleS had more TO's than assists.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 2, 2007 11:18 PM

This team has not been prepared at all for the first two games. That falls on the coaching staff to get your players ready. This is not a good start. Oh and Orlando is not a gimme at all.

Posted by: Stick | November 2, 2007 11:19 PM

Jordan will be gone soon and to be honest, it doesn't seem like he cares anymore. I think he's still upset that his assistants got a 1 year contract. He's still playing small ball with players that can't shoot. Mason turned down the Spurs for this? I think Gil needs to move to shooting guard-he's not a point guard. Get someone who wants to distribute the ball and move him over to sg.

Posted by: PTP23 | November 2, 2007 11:19 PM

Let's face it. This Wizards crew is happy with the prestige. The $, the women. the fame. Winning a ring is not their thing, more like the Patron and the bling bling.

Posted by: Connor | November 2, 2007 11:25 PM

Again, I just don't get why Eddie had Songaila and AJ at the 5 and 4 for such long stretches tonight. Brendan was the only guy out there playing with any energy, and he's sitting on the bench. Blatche didn't even make an appearance until, what, mid-4th? That's inexcusable. If AJ was pouring in the buckets, OK, maybe we live with his defensive liability. But when he's throwing up bricks, get him the hell out of the game and put Blatche on the floor.

And while I was glad to see Nick Young getting some playing time, I thought it was a mistake having him on the floor during the one stretch mid-4th when the Wiz had it down to 15 with possession. He missed a jumper, turned the ball over, and got faked into fouling Ray Allen. Surge over.

Gilbert made Rondo look a bull in Seville, waving his red cape.

Posted by: Prazak | November 2, 2007 11:27 PM

Gilby, Mr. Coverboy for NBA Live, ended up shooting 3-15 and had 1 assist in 32 minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised if in a post interview, he laughs it off and says they'll be alright and he loved the chants and the booing. Gilby showed he couldn't back his words up.

BTW, chicky hernandez interviewed Gilby and Gilby said if either Caron of AJ are gone this season, that indicates to him that Les BouleS are rebuilding, and he will be gone too. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Gilby say last season that he won't be meddling in affairs regarding personnel?

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 2, 2007 11:27 PM

No comment for you, GilCrush. I've been saying the same thing all summer. Our 'concentration' on defense has now affected our offense. Make the Spurs run or the Suns play a slow down game and this is what you'll get. When I said weeks ago that we needed to establish an identity, ppl said I was crazy. Well, so far we are an offensive talented team futilely trying to play defense. It's physically impossible to play uptempo on O and shutdown on D. Until we look in the mirror and figure out what we are (a West Coast team playing in the east) we'll keep getting spanked. EJ, what's the logic of keeping starters out there so long on the first game of a back to back? I would not be surprised if we got blown out tomorrow. I couldn't even blame the guys. Looking at this game, we locked down on D for a while then got worn out. Dead legs mean no 3's. What's with DC coaches? Skins should be passing, Wiz should be concentrating on O. Figure it out.

Posted by: mark | November 2, 2007 11:29 PM

Are you KIDDING?

Van Gundy? Really? Reeeaally?

1 - It's TWO games into the season.
2 - The Rocket's offense has sure looked nice, so far this season, since the departure of his stagnant ways.
3 - Are you the type of people, where if your sports car breaks down...or sputters...minor fix, you scrap it for a Honda Accord? Speaking of which.. Van Gundy once parked his Accord too close to the runway before going on a road trip and it got blown away by the team plane taking off....

So you would hire a coach who drives a Honda Accord?

http://truthaboutit.blogspot.com/2007/11/wizards-game-2-at-boston-big-3-vs-big-3.html

Posted by: k-dub | November 2, 2007 11:31 PM

Enough of this talk about all of training camp was spent on defense. Let's see, training camp was how long.... a week! A week! So after one week, now we can't shoot after guys have been shooting and playing all summer? Garnett destroyed AJ in the post. EJ just let him get abused. He doesn't care anymore-he wants out of here. Ernie, put EJ out of his misery. Ernie expects him to play the young guys and he is defiantly not doing it. He's toast I tell you!

Posted by: PTP23 | November 2, 2007 11:34 PM

Mark, I'd like to believe you, but I don't see a whole lot of concentration on defense. I don't think we can blame their offensive failures these past two games on their defensive intensity...

Posted by: Prazak | November 2, 2007 11:34 PM

Why was AJ guarding Garnett for huge minutes in the second half? Nice call EJ. AJ certainly was not scoring -- he and Gilbert pretty much spent their night shooting us OUT of this one.

Ever since the league changed back to the old balls part way through last year, it seems that Gilbert's shot has been off. He's great taking it to the hole so I thought he did a good job shifting to that tonight more.

And does DS think that he has consistent range out to 22 feet? Oh my god. STOP SHOOTING!

Posted by: Ed | November 2, 2007 11:38 PM

Can anyone out there explain to me why AB, the star of the preseason, got only 3 minutes in this blowout loss? Did EJ forget how effective AB was against KG the first game last season? How in the world could AJ guard KG? KG ended up with 22 pts, 20 rebs, and 5 assists! AJ, 4-15, 10 pts!

Also, someone tell me what DS is giving to this team that deserves anything over $1.

PS: Other interesting stats.

Raymond Felton: 26 pts, 12 assists

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 2, 2007 11:39 PM

I think the AJ stated a few weeks ago it's put up or shut up time. I hear Eddie is also mad that Ernie made no moves during the summer as Ernie believes this team is good enough to the Eastern Conference finals. Eddie wanted Brendan to go away and Ernie made him go to NC to make up. There is a power struggle going on and EJ can't win.

Posted by: PTP23 | November 2, 2007 11:39 PM

Mark is a doofus. I guess in his mind, defense is not necessary if you have offense. I can't think of any past NBA champs that didn't play defense.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 2, 2007 11:42 PM

I agree DC on Deshawn but Felton-he's a D-Leaguer.

Posted by: PTP23 | November 2, 2007 11:42 PM

It's still early (as kalorama will no doubt point out), but this is a disturbing start. Eddie refuses to use his bench. I have no idea if they're any good -- he won't play them, except for Songaila at center, where he has no business being.

If Eddie wants them to run, he needs Blatche at center. With Blatche at 5 and Song at 4, you have guys who can pass, rebound and defend. Put Antawn's butt on the bench where it belongs. He should be a bench player anyway, giving the 2nd unit a lift.

Of course, Eddie really has no 2nd unit. He won't play them, so they can't develop. He doesn't seem to understand what's going on, how to stop hot shooters, how to work matchups. He's so in love with smallball that it absolutely blinds him to everything else.

I said halfway through last season that Jordan's got to go. He is, quite simply, incompetent.

In a way, I'm glad the Wiz got slammed, if only to get Gilbert to shut his mouth and play ball. How many times does he have to get humiliated after making a prediction before he wises up?

Posted by: Keithinator | November 2, 2007 11:55 PM

We should of had AB on Garnett and Haywwod at the center spot with Caron, DS and Gil..have Jamison off the bench...

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2007 11:57 PM

DCMan, I normally ignore you and your sub-mental ravings, but do yourself and the rest of us a favor:

Just go away. Forever. Throw your computer out the window.

Posted by: Keithinator | November 2, 2007 11:57 PM

OH yes, Keithinator...another Gilby butt smoocher. Keep smooching, maybe you'll strike brown gold.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 2, 2007 11:58 PM

Gosh, I can still use "Les BouleS," but can't say the "curse of les boulez." Reason is, it's not a curse anymore. They just plain suck.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 3, 2007 12:02 AM

DC Man,

Do you ever wonder why most everyone on this board loathes you? Does it ever give you pause, make you stop and think that maybe you should try a different tack? I would imagine that introspection is beyond someone like you, but try for a few moments and think to yourself, "Hey, maybe it's not everyone else; maybe the problem's with me?" You'd be surprised at what you might learn.

Posted by: Keithinator | November 3, 2007 12:06 AM

This is Sad!I have held back to long but Iam going to tell it like it is.

EJ doesn't know what the hell he is doing! This has been going on for some time but did you see his wins vs his losses something like 153 to 175.Thats below 500%. This guy can't coach worth a "D".

When Doc Rivers brouught in Scalobrinie and Allen he kept the starters in the game and he fell behind. AJ was jacking up shots from all over the place and he didn't have the guts to yank him. When he brought in Blatche,Daniels and songolia the celtics increased the lead slightly so he pulls them.

Then he has the nerve to blame them for falling behind at halftime. Are you kidding me? AB only played 3 minutes and he is the reason you are 20+ points behind at half. I don't think so! The reason you are behind is because you can't coach and you do not have the nerves to pull your stars when they start jacking up J's from all over the place especially AJ who at my count was 2 for 11 in the first 17 minutes!

The second half begins and he is down 26+ points and he still doesn't play AB,Daniels,DS or Songalia. At one point he has Gil, caron,nick,roger and Brendan in the game midway through the 3rd quarter.Is he smoinking crack? He must be smoking because he had AB and DS on the bench so long that when DS came in the game late in the second half he shook his head in dis- belief.

EG has to be pissed off especially after he saw his 33mil dollar investments rotting on the bench for Mason and Young.

Wiz fans remember this day and write this down! EJ will be fired by the 22 game of the year regardles if gil is tarded or not to LA. If EJ isn't fired by the 22nd game I will no longer write on this blog.

Posted by: The GodFather | November 3, 2007 12:10 AM

All valid points. EJ strikes me as to smart of a dude to be this dumb. He must be doing this on purpose. AB and DMac get no minutes in a blowout???? The time to work them in is at the 2nd quarter mark.

He played AJ the "whole" first half, at the age of 31?????? Are you telling me AB or DMac could not have gotten "some" of those minutes? AJ was off, to boot.

Did everyone see how Doc Rivers "sub-ed" his big three? That is how you distribute the minutes. Do you see how Doc used "his" bench which clearly is not as good as ours?

I never thought I would come to saying this, but I think it is time for EJ to maybe move on. How about trying Ed Tabscott there at the helm?

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | November 3, 2007 12:10 AM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! AS IF!

Do you ever wonder why whenever I made a prediction or statement in the past warning about Les BouleS and Gilby, that all these Gilby lovers are on my case and blasting me that I'm wrong? When it eventually comes true, these losers are nowhere to be found?!?!

Bottom line Gilby, you are not a max player and don't deserve. Learn how to pass and play D, and most importantly, shut your blowhole and play ball.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 3, 2007 12:17 AM

Amen

Posted by: me | November 3, 2007 12:28 AM

"Again, I just don't get why Eddie had Songaila and AJ at the 5 and 4 for such long stretches tonight. Brendan was the only guy out there playing with any energy, and he's sitting on the bench."

Haywood played a nice game with a lot of energy and focus. But that didn't stop the Celtics from rolling up to a huge halftime lead. People complain that Jordan doesn't change things up when something's not working. Well, guess what? He did. And still people complain.


As far as rotations go, I've got no quarrel with Songaila getting minutes over Blatche or Haywood sitting. i do wonder, however, why AD wasn't on the floor more in the second half. They were having trouble protecting the ball and getting to the basket. Those are Daniels' calling cards.


Look, it was an awful game. The offense looked bad. They shot horribly and turned the ball over too much. But guess what? Last season they were one of the best teams in the league at shooting the 3 and protecting the ball. So Ihistory suggests that their struggles in these areas won't last. And when those things get cleaned up, then the games they'll be playing should look very different.

Posted by: kalorama | November 3, 2007 12:45 AM

kal,

Perhaps. Certainly their shooting will improve, as will turnovers. I'm starting to really wonder about Gilbert. This quote of his from Ivan's story:

"They came and had a lot of fun. At the end of the day it's about entertainment and I'm an entertainer."

Uh, no, Gil, it's about winning. I'm getting frightened by his priorities. He doesn't seem or sound upset by his stinkbomb. I'm not saying the team needs to panic; but they should be furious about this loss, ashamed, embarrassed, or something besides, well...in a state of mind that could lead to a quote like that.

Where, exactly, is winning on his list of to-do items?

Posted by: Keithinator | November 3, 2007 1:06 AM

Man, I tivo'd tonights game in hopes of watching it after a party I went to.

Just got on my computer, went to NBA.com, saw the boxscore, and went straight to the TV and deleted the game.

From the boxscore and reading these comments it seems like..

1) Once again Eddie is showing his incompetence. I'm extremely upset seeing how Blatche only got 6 minutes. I just dont get how the FO is allowing this guy to keep coaching the way he does.

2) We werent running any sets again. FG% looks horrible across the board. 5/20, 2/9, 4/15...jesus christ! And these are our starters?!

3) It pains me to say it but Gil is making himself look like a clown. I'd like to be the first to defend Gil but he just doesnt get it. It seems as if he
thinks all it takes to be an elite player is a high point total, commercials, and a few provocative quotes. What he doesnt realize is that the reason people wont put him in the same league as Duncan, Kobe, Nash, KG....is because of his lack of leadership and his stubborn commitment NOT to play D.

Posted by: David N. | November 3, 2007 1:27 AM

Another thing,

There was an earlier post on here talking about how Gil seems to have lost his shot afer the league switched back from the "toy ball" to the old one.

I always thought about that thru last season but I thought I was the only one that noticed.

Posted by: David N. | November 3, 2007 1:30 AM

I had a meeting tonight and only saw the last quarter live so I am watching now the first half of this disaster. Decided to check out the forum and the end of game box score to see what I missed in the middle quarters, especially bench usage. I can't believe what I am reading. DMac 4 minutes and Blatche 6? And Gil needs to be quiet and make winning a priority, not entertaining and blogging. All I can say is that it looks like we were 0 for 5 in all the five key areas I mentioned yesterday:

"Here are the questions in no particular order...
1/ Will we adjust to Garnett killing Jamison with Songalia (no, no, no) or with Blatche and MacGuire?
2/ Will Jordan shorten the bench or realize that we played an overtime game and this is their opener?
3/ Will adjustments be made so that they don't drive the lane and dish out to Allen and Pierce all night. (Is Tinsley that much better than Rondo?)
4/ Will they (meaning Gilbert) come out focused or with deer in headlights due to the ESPN cameras?
5/ Will Gilbert seek to play team ball and include others or will he seek to score 60? (He may need to shift into a scoring 60 mode to win but he should not go into the game with that as a goal.)"

I don't see how anyone can say there is no reason for concern. last year at the trade deadline some of us suggested that we should package Jamison and others to get Garnett. What a mistake to not think about that move. Yes AJ was a 1 man beast in the playoffs but I regret that we didn't make that move. KG would have brought 2 things that we desperately lack...passion and presence in the post.

I like Jordan but is there any doubt that he needs to be replaced? Let's see what happens against Howard, Lewis and those Mavs. I don't expect a turnaround yet. Like others I am starting to think that Coach J has no clue about adjustments. He may think to use the bench because "it is at home and rookies should feel more comfortable." (that is the typical coach-speak.) But who knows. In his mind he will want to go down with his top dogs. Forty minutes for each starter again.

BTW - I just saw the ESPN analysts rip the Wizards unmercifully during the halftime, especially Arenas for his talking and blogging, and we absolutely deserve it. This is sickening.

Posted by: BmoreRev | November 3, 2007 1:48 AM

BmoreRev,

Among the many reasons the Wiz didn't trade Jamison for Garnett is because the T'Wolves never would have agreed to that deal. When they traded Garnett to Boston they got a bunch of young players and some draft picks and no real cap relief. Trading for Jamison would have given them nothing but cap relief, which would have been useless to them because no FA worth having was going to sign with a Garnett-less T'Wolves.

Posted by: kalorama | November 3, 2007 3:10 AM

The wizards set a NBA record tonite.
The largest number of failed 3 pt attempts in an NBA game. 0-16 fg failure.
Yes boys & girls!! The Washington Wizards set the record for having the ability to NOT BE ABLE TO FIND THE HOOP FOR 3 POINTERS!! Amazing huh??considering they've been together for 3 yrs.. Yes George, they got rid of Navarro & signed Roger "wasteland" Mason and Pecherov.

Did anybody listen to KG's end of game interview? When asked how "he" did it?
He responded: NOT me - WE!!
Reason I could be where I needed to be we cuz his teammates were where they were supposed to be. Its about us playin together - our defense not our offense thats the only way we'll get it done."

Arenas ain't heard of team or defense BUT
He's writing a childrens book
"See Gilbert"
See Gilbert grin, blog
See Gilbert pose,
See Gilbert chase the cameras.
See Gilbert save the day.
See Gilbert miss the basket. they loss?
Its ok they have "Gilbert The Entertainer"

Kobe & his rookies beat the Suns. Kobe said they pulled together as a T E A M?
119-108/Kobe 16 pts - 11 rebs 3 stls

Arenas 21 pts 5 rebs 0-5 from 3pt range

Jarvis & Detroit won again tonite still without Rick Hamilton(new baby)Is it a theme? THEY said they worked together as a Team? sound familiar/

Posted by: Dr. Psych | November 3, 2007 3:10 AM

same old story from year to year. How do we (pointing at myself, paying for the NBA package from the West Coast) keep watching this team? It's clear that it's blind loyalty to a jersey. Even when they win, it's bad basketball. It is never because of execution, it's because of pure talent. Gilbert's like that bipolar hottie you met, who was on med's and together one night. Anyone that thinks we have a chance to advance a round is fooling themselves.

Posted by: fooledagain | November 3, 2007 5:49 AM

EJ is afraid to take any of our Big Three out of the game if we fall behind- he thinks we need their firepower to play catch up. There's some truth to that, but look at the dynamics: Gil, Antawn, Caron, if you play like crap and we get behind, EJ will punish you- by giving you more playing time!

We should hire Jerry Sloan as a consultant. Get him to map out the substitutions for us. EJ clearly can't handle it on the fly. Sit down in a nice quiet office and figure out what substitution patterns will be best for the team. Long term, over the course of the entire season, with the goal of winning a championship. Think about keeping guys healthy into June. Even think about developing young players for next year and beyond.

Posted by: TC | November 3, 2007 6:15 AM

I get it...Eddie wants a longer vacation. He misses his beach house in NJ. Is it humanly possible to coach in a more inept manner than what we saw last night in Boston? I'm afraid it is now becoming clear that he is in over his head. Ernie we have a team with real players now who have the talent to make a serious run, so its time to get a real coach now too who can help take us there.

Btw, I'm going to the phone booth tonight...hope nobody makes me an offer for my tickets though on the way in. I may just unload them and save myself the disappointment. Even a win tonight will taste bitter after these last two games...and that sucks.

Posted by: oddjob | November 3, 2007 7:31 AM

Deshawn is taking this year off, after getting his big contract. Roger Mason will be starting in a month.

Posted by: bjk | November 3, 2007 7:59 AM

Gilby and his weak subliminal messages:

""They have a great squad," Arenas said. "You can see that they have what it takes.""

What about your team, Les BouleS? You've been together as a squad about 3 years now. KG, PP, and RA have been together since training camp, but they know how to act like professionals including not drawing unnecessary attention to themselves and not giving the opposing team more ammo. You have a coach with the 3rd longest tenure in the NBA. Talk about stability! What does that buy you?

Once again, Gilby shot himself and his team in the foot by making a stupid prediction before a game. Anybody remember Portland last year? Fleet center sounded almost like a college game last night, Comcast Center or Cameron Indoor Stadium.

I know, I'll bet Gilby will twist it around and say "I hope Les BouleS fans will come out tonight and give us the energy and support against Orlando like Boston fans did last night." Uh, I doubt if any player with Orlando is going to have diarrhea of the mouth like you Gilby.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 3, 2007 8:04 AM

Let me take a break from my cold, hard assessment of Les BouleS and give MAD PROPS TO BTH!!!!

I know it's still early, but given the time and opportunity, he's done some good things so far. He's averaging a double double, and has made critical blocks even though he's probably totally not in the flow or the scheme of the offense. He's making 5 mil this year.

BTH: 10 avg ppg, 12.5 avgrebs (8.5 avg off rebs), 2 blocks in 31 minutes.

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 3, 2007 8:13 AM

Nah, DC, we got beaten so badly that gIlbert's comments couldn't have had any decisive impact. He still should stop making a clown of himself, though. Anyone who thinks gIlbert can take a team deep into the playoffs is deluding himself.

As to EJ: Most of the criticism is accurate, but if the team doesn't make the playoffs it won't be primarily his fault. EG has not given him a playoff-type team to coach, especially after Poet's surgery. We have NO backup center at all. We have only 2 guys on the bench with any significant experience, one of whom, AD, is on the decline, and the other of whom, DS, is slow. People criticize EJ about AB only because they vastly over-estimate what AB can contribute.

Posted by: Mitch | November 3, 2007 8:24 AM

I agree again with TC's comments above.

I think it's too early to panic, but there are some problems that have been problems for a long time, that rear their ugly heads when the Wizards play their worst, and that will need to change if this team is to ever go anywhere meaningful.

1. Shot selection. Others mentioned it above. I believe that the first 5 possessions of the game the Wizards ran no offense, shot four jumpers from at least 20 feet, and had one post-up with Haywood that he missed at the rim. Was this followed by Eddie Jordan angrily taking a time-out and/or a captain stepping forward to chew out his teammates for taking bad shots? Of course not -- the "leaders" were the ones jacking bad shots.

This is far too typical, and the problem is that the players and Eddie Jordan don't see it as a problem. Jordan always talks about "open looks" -- "we had open looks and just didn't hit them." But he counts Gilbert coming down the floor, having a little space and launching a 21 footer as an open look. Isn't the point of running an offense to see if you can get higher percentage shots? Isn't the point of the Princeton offense to get back door cuts for layups, and if the defense takes that away by sagging off, to hit wide-open mid-range and foul line jumpers all day?

2. When in trouble, rely on offense. That's Jordan's inclination and will always be. When Boston made that run in the 2nd quarter, some coaches would call a timeout and put in his best defensive club, let's say Haywood, Blatche, McGuire, Stevenson and Daniels. (Actually, I would sub Arenas for Daniels because Gil could then carry the offensive load solo.) That is not Jordan's instinct, however.

3. When in trouble, shorten the bench. Last season, a slow start and heavy Big 3 minutes. This season, if the Wizards get off to a slow start, Jordan will know his job is in jeopardy, and will ride the Big 3 for every minute he can. That hurts the team long-term in a number of ways.

At least it's an interesting season so far.

Posted by: Henry | November 3, 2007 8:26 AM

I agree on the Woodman. He's been bringing it. Too bad no one else has been.

Funny that all the focus on defense in the pre-season has left the defense unimproved and the offense totally in the crapper.

Posted by: Mitch | November 3, 2007 8:40 AM


Redde mihi laetitiam salutaris tui: et spiritu principali confirma me.

(Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.)

Posted by: Gilbert Arenas(Another night of Misery) | November 3, 2007 8:55 AM

"Nah, DC, we got beaten so badly that gIlbert's comments couldn't have had any decisive impact. He still should stop making a clown of himself, though. Anyone who thinks gIlbert can take a team deep into the playoffs is deluding himself.

As to EJ: Most of the criticism is accurate, but if the team doesn't make the playoffs it won't be primarily his fault. EG has not given him a playoff-type team to coach, especially after Poet's surgery. We have NO backup center at all. We have only 2 guys on the bench with any significant experience, one of whom, AD, is on the decline, and the other of whom, DS, is slow. People criticize EJ about AB only because they vastly over-estimate what AB can contribute.

Posted by: Mitch | November 3, 2007 08:24 AM "


I don't think the Boston players cared at all about what Gilby said. They probably tell themselves that he's a clown with a big mouth. At least they didn't show that they cared, and beat Les BouleS so badly that Gilby couldn't respond.

What we did see, as a result of Gilby's diarrhea of the mouth, was that the Boston fans were really into the game. They were calling Gilby names, mocking him, cheering when he fell, cheered when he missed his FT's, etc. Like I said, the atmosphere was similar to a college game.

I think Gilby lost focus on the game and playing the games. He's too focused on the hype behind him being on NBA Live, the promo before then, the hype of his parachute workouts, and as he told Chick during an interview, the "Coming Out Party" continuation.

AB, whether he can contribute or not, won't be known until he gets PT on the court and a chance to do something with the ball. Otherwise, they shouldn't have resigned him, or they should trade him now, when he's got a lot of interest based on what he did during the preseason.

So far, nothing we've seen so far has shown us the team has improved from last year. Maybe regressed. Les BouleS are shorthanded up front, aren't running a disciplined offense that produces results, and now they are consumed also with playing defense, something that should have already been ingrained in their heads. Oh well, 80 more games to win. NOT!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 3, 2007 9:04 AM

Here's a funny thought to add on.

All the Les BouleS fans better cheer whether they win or lose at VC because otherwise, Gilby will walk at the end of the season because of the diva he is, and you guys who are Gilby lovers will be heartbroken that your biggest superstar in 20 years will be a distant memory. Cheer baby cheer!

Posted by: DC Man88 | November 3, 2007 9:07 AM

Pretty funny how much Jeff Van Gundy went on and on about how much he like Haywood last night.

Posted by: Sean | November 3, 2007 9:29 AM

That was embarassing.
Just gawd awful and on national tv no less.
I got a feeling this is gonna be a looooooooong year for Gil and the Gang.
Les Boulez have returned.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 3, 2007 9:30 AM

I wish someone could tell me why the Wizards are allowed to take so many horrid, unnecessary jumpers. I thought mid-game adjustments could be made in basketball as well. It would seem logical that after the first 5-6 3-point bricks, that SOMEONE would say, "Ok, we're not hitting shots tonight, so let's move the ball, drive to the basket, and get some people in foul trouble." Who coaches their offense? Joe Gibbs/Al Saunders? I wasn't aware that the big three everyone was talking about in Boston was Scalabrine, Rondo, and Perkins. Who knew? Great Defense Wizards!!

Posted by: PJ | November 3, 2007 9:35 AM

Please fire my son.

Posted by: EJ's Mom | November 3, 2007 10:09 AM

Jeff Van Gundy really seemed to know alot about the team last night, as if he's been following them pretty closely. Usually those national guys never seem to know anything about us. He talked alot about how he likes Haywood. Heaped the praise on Grunfeld for the caron for Kwame trade. Talked about McGuire, about how he'd be coaching the game (Gil on pick n rolls all night), mentioned that any team can play good defense it's all desire and coaching, etc. He is the highest profile coach out there, and has worked with Ernie before.

It was just an ugly game. Gil's comments surely didn't help. The crowd was bezerk, and Gil was trying to hard and pressing. Caron played better, Antawn didn't do much, Songaila did pretty well, Daniels didn't do much, Blatche hardly played at all (??????!), neither did McGuire. Seems like Songaila is our new end of game smallball center (aka the new Ruffin).

Posted by: Darnell | November 3, 2007 10:18 AM

Remember the 'Washington Generals'? They were the short. slow, all-white team that traveled with the Harlem Globetrotters in the role of their patsies. Their best player was a middle-aged guard with a bald head that Meadowlark Lemon used to rub every time he humiliated him.

So my question is: how much longer can Caron Butler stand being that bald guy?

DCMan88 may write like an infantile troll, but after two games, he's being proven right on just about every count and deserves some props. Arenas is so into the spotlight that he hasn't even woken up to the fact that this is his big contract year and is playing like 'World B Free'. Arenas is a smart and honest guy--his SI article proved that--which means that he's not capable of being smart or honest with himself. Or his fans. Which also means that unless he totally bombs out this year (and that could happen, odds are good he'll get injured again playing those insane minutes), he'll be gone next year. For 'zero' compensation.

The Kobe trade will never happen--but personally I'd rather see the Wizards get a few hungry hardworking young players instead. Cleveland would happily strip their club of everyone but Lebron and Hughes to get him. Or we could get Thomas, Gordon, and Noah from Chicago. Seriously, this needs to get done ASAP. Hibachi time is done. And if the Generals lose tonight, it's time to get rid of Jordan, too. Wes Unseld Jr actually brought his rookie team along farther and faster with more attention to fundamentals in a week in Vegas than Jordan did all preseason. Look at the scorelines and boxes if you don't believe me. And there are plenty of assistant coaches out there a lot better than WUJ.

Posted by: KTV | November 3, 2007 10:36 AM

Van Gundy coaches the most boring brand of basketball possible. Anything but Van Gundy!! And he's totally unsuited to our personnel. Our guys may stink now, but with Van Gundy the stench could get REAL BAD.

Posted by: Mitch | November 3, 2007 10:46 AM

Kalorama, the big halftime deficit wasn't Brendan's fault. He was the one guy out there playing with any fire. Why bench him for smallball when you have a guy like KG at the opposing 4? And while I have no problem with Songaila on the floor, especially paired with AD, It just didn't make sense having AJ paired with him and trying to defend Boston's big men.

Darnell's right, Van Gundy sounded like he was auditioning for Eddie's job. Thanks but no thanks!

Posted by: Prazak | November 3, 2007 11:09 AM

I didn't say it was Haywood's fault. The point is, having him in the lineup didn't do anything to slow the Celtics down defensively. And since defense is his primary role, then it made sense to try something different in the second half, since what they did in the first half was ineffective.

Posted by: kalorama | November 3, 2007 2:33 PM

Kalorama, having AJ on Garnett, or Gilbert on Ray Allen, or AD on Rondo, didn't do anything to slow the Celtics down defensively either. Yet, of all the substitutions to make, taking out Brendan (and DS, who did a decent job on Ray Allen in the first half) makes the least sense, at least in circumstances in which AJ and Gilbert aren't compensating for their defensive weakness with offensive output.

Posted by: Prazak | November 3, 2007 4:34 PM

btk - Pleez don't add insult to inury by putting Mason ont he floor..Things are already bad enough..He's part of last years "SORRY A-- BENCH. He should have been gone...He's not even DLeague quality.
They need NBA Quality players - enough with the salvation army and goodwill
players cus they want to "cut corners"

Eddie Jordan must be on some kind of medication...What descent coach worht his salt would not have figured out what player to put on whom??
UGGGGHhh

Posted by: Anonymous | November 3, 2007 4:45 PM

Prazak,

The substitution was likely made with the idea replacing Haywood with a more offensively versatile player in Songaila would possibly goose the team's offensive out put, possibly opening up scoring opportunities for other guys by replacing him with someone the Celtics would feel the need to pay more defensive attention to that they did Haywood.

The move obviously didn't work out, but there was a very clear logic behind it.

Posted by: kalorama | November 3, 2007 8:27 PM

Kalorama, I don't deny there was logic to it. Eddie was trying to ride as many offensive horses as he could. But that's part of the problem: Eddie needs to ride some defensive horses, especially when his biggest offensive horses aren't producing. Eddie should have subbed Songaila in for AJ, not for Brendan, and should have spelled Brendan with AB, not with Songaila. It was the same mistake he had made in the first game, and he made for a big chunk of the game tonight until he had that second unit of AB, Song, Butler, Mason, and AD out there.

Posted by: Prazak | November 4, 2007 1:06 AM

"Eddie needs to ride some defensive horses"

That stable is pretty much empty, at this point. Blatche can block the occasional shot, but he's not exactly a Marcus Camby or Dikembe Mutombo class defensive stopper. MCGuire is a rookie. Rookies don't get calls. That's a problem when you're trying to play physical defense. The simple fact is that there are no magic bullets on the Wizards' bench. I agree that the bench should probably get a little more PT, but sitting the starters for long stretches in favor of an extended bench rotation isn't likely to be the answer.

Posted by: kalorama | November 6, 2007 6:08 PM

here we go again ; shooting jumpers makining stupid turnovers and players no defense.EJ having the wrong matchups and looking like he dosen't know what he;s doing.Abe do us a favor and bringin someone who can the talent we have .EJ cannot coach I think he has gone as far as he can.Get him out of here.

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