Wiz at Hornets

Just wanted to put up a post so you guys can break down tonight's game. It's 75-70 Hornets right now early in the fourth but the Wizards are putting up a fight.

By Ivan Carter |  February 25, 2008; 9:49 PM ET
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yea i hope the wiz and win tonight it will be a big boost for tommorow night in houston

Posted by: brandon | February 25, 2008 10:06 PM

I'm more comfortable with a 4 point deficit than a 4 point lead.

AD 20+ minutes... 1 assist...

AD has been largely ineffective as a point guard, running this offense...

Isnt this the guy who was averaging double digit assist in the playoffs with the same team?

Posted by: JSchon | February 25, 2008 10:09 PM

GET THE REBOUND!!! PLEASE!!!

Posted by: JSchon | February 25, 2008 10:26 PM

DAGGER!!!!!

Posted by: JSchon | February 25, 2008 10:28 PM

AD has been hurt.

What a game by DS2.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 25, 2008 10:29 PM

I CAN'T FEEL MY FACE!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jim | February 25, 2008 10:30 PM

Holy smokes, what an incredible win. Antawn shoots 3 for 16, yet the Wiz still get a road win over an extremely talented Hornets team, minus Caron and Gil? Wow, I dont think anyone saw this coming tonight.

DeShawn is a warrior. This guy has had the tar beat out of him lately, but still carries the team to the win with a solid 30 points. Anyone out there still wanna cry about not keeping JCN over him??

Posted by: Roman | February 25, 2008 10:31 PM

AD hasnt been hurt for 2 months... his numbers are way down from last year...

Posted by: JSchon | February 25, 2008 10:31 PM

Lightning strikes! In the form of Deshawn Stevenson with 33, count them, 33 points, which must be a career high. I didn't see the game but checked the Game Cast, and almost every time I looked, the Wiz had crept closer. This must have been a hard-fought tenacious effort. Great win against a fine team on the road!

Posted by: 7snider7 | February 25, 2008 10:34 PM

Great, gutsy win, esp. considering that the Hornets had a 3-man advantage in the 4th. (Technical foul my ass.)

Major props to DeShawn. I was on Grunfeld for overpaying him tjhis summer, but after a rough start, he's turning out to be worth every penny.

Posted by: kalorama | February 25, 2008 10:35 PM

Wow...Wonderful, shocking win. I still hold my breath when Deshawn drives to the hole but he had it going from the line. Even had a few nice drives. AJ cold as ice but DS was the man tonight. Arguably the biggest win of the season.

Posted by: BmoreRev | February 25, 2008 10:36 PM

Now I'm fairly naive about the NBA game but that was some pretty sad D by Peja. Some kind of half slap, and Hilton Armstrong - apropos of his mostly asleep nature - waited way too long to come out on DeShawn.

Good job, Wiz. Helluva game. Next!

Posted by: woohoo | February 25, 2008 10:37 PM

LMAO!

SWADAGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

The no star gets a charge from the all star. Great gutsy call by the ref.

I hope this puts to rest the argument about BTH, that EJ was so wrong in writing this guy off. He was instrumental towards this win.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 25, 2008 10:38 PM

If I haven't said it before, DeShawn Stevenson you are alright in my book. Mea culpa for all the bad stuff I said about you b4.

The only thing that is frustrating is that this win proves that the losses to Golden State, the Knicks and the Cavs could've been avoided. I only saw the last minute of the game, did EJ do a better job this time. I liked seeing Haywood out there late (and taking a big charge I might add).

Posted by: George Templeton | February 25, 2008 10:42 PM

@George...

He had the right people in late. Do you replace AD with RM? Maybe, but it worked out. AB played like a rookie tonight. DM was at the very least very active rebounding.

Posted by: JSchon | February 25, 2008 10:46 PM

LOL!

I saw EJ coaching up the team during the timeout. He spoke a few sentences, so for sure, we weren't going to see DS milk the clock and hope for a prayer shot. That play shouldn't be in anyone's 700 page or less playbook.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 25, 2008 10:49 PM

"The only thing that is frustrating is that this win proves that the losses to Golden State, the Knicks and the Cavs could've been avoided."

George, I don't know that the "If A is better than B and B is better than C, then A could beat C" argument really applies here. Every game is an entity onto itself.

Posted by: George | February 25, 2008 10:50 PM

Juan Carlos who? ....

Posted by: Anonymous | February 25, 2008 10:52 PM

George, I don't know that the "If A is better than B and B is better than C, then A could beat C" argument really applies here. Every game is an entity onto itself.

Ooops! This one was from me to George, not from George.

My bad GT.

Posted by: kalorama | February 25, 2008 10:55 PM

No problem, but my point is that they had it in them to win those games. And it may very well have been coaching that made the difference in some of those games (officiating can certainly be looked at in the Cleveland case) and/or bad execution by the players in critical situations.
To see them finally win a close one against a good team gives me a glimmer of hope.

Posted by: George Templeton | February 25, 2008 10:56 PM

Was very pleased to see McGuire get so much run. I have been asking for this since early in the season. Starting him in second half was great hunch by EJ. With experience he is a unique piece of the puzzle. He brings unique things to the table. Hopefully EJ will not ignore him and give him PT when there are certain matchups. I still project him as a stopper. If he gets more PT that would be invaluable in the second season. His game is similar in some ways to Ruffin's was but I sure have a lot more hope when DMac is on the floor this year.

Posted by: BmoreRev | February 25, 2008 10:59 PM

George - Eddie called another "GREAT" game with his combo's. I always knew he had it in him, but for some reason he always liked to go against the grain of common sense coaching. Thats what made me complain so much about him.

He did something that I did not even think about. When AB was not showing him enough, he put DMAC in for him with AJ and Haywood on the frontcourt. That was a great move. I am a serious AB fan, but after this showing by DMAC I am starting to think DMac should get the start at that 3 spot and then let AB spell Haywood.

EJ made a great move starting Mason and DMac for AD and AB after halftime. That also showed he got away from another one of his bad habits of taking hot players out of the game to soon and letting them sit to long and get cold. He did not play Songalia at the "5" any tonight (Sent OPEC in with him), BRAVO.....!!!!

Lastly, it looks like he is finally starting to see what Haywood can give him. EJ is starting to bring Haywood in around the 10 or 9 minute mark of the 4th quarter, and then LEAVING HIM IN!!!!! I could not believe my eyes these last three games. I knew since last year, if EJ ever gave Haywood major minutes he would give EJ something.

As for Mr. Stevenson. I am enjoying the crow he is making me eat right now. The dude has really improved his game. To all of the other posters back in the summer who supported EG's contract offer to DS when I was one of the people saying EG was stupid and Gilbert got DS the contract; I am sorry. Man was I wrong on DS. I will say I am 1 for 2 this year. Dead wrong on the DS call, but "dead on" with my call about Haywood and playing time and production.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | February 25, 2008 11:00 PM

The weather vanes are pirouetting in the wind.
Let's remember tonight and the other against all odds wins this season, when we start talking about about breaking up this team, trading off Arenas or Jamison and whether Butler and Arenas have blown off the season and the Wiz's chances in the playoffs, calculating how to mend and get out of town without playing again... on any given night... don't take any one win or loss too seriously grasshoppers.
Again I reiterate, as the these youngsters and bench players continue to improve with game time experience against quality opponents, win or lose, when Gilbert and Butler get back the Wiz are going to be a very competitive team and a lot of fun to watch in the playoffs.

Posted by: Myshkin | February 25, 2008 11:04 PM

Ivan, has there been a better Wizards' win that you covered? Who could have seen this coming?

http://caronbutler3.com/?p=42

Posted by: Anonymous | February 25, 2008 11:07 PM

I have no doubt in my mind "if" (thats a big if) we get healthy and make the playoffs... at whatever seed... We can play with anybody in the east... Anybody...

No Kool-Aid...

Posted by: JSchon | February 25, 2008 11:08 PM

Are the Wizards considering bringing in Jamal Magloire who was just waived by New Jersey?? I think he would be a good fit for a club that is short handed bench and Etan Thomas might not be able to play this season. Shouldn't cost the team much $ and they should still have the vet exemption salary spot available to offer.

How long can this team continue playing with a 8-9 man roster night after night with bringing in someone to help, at this point even a 10-day guy from the D-League would help.

Posted by: Ben Canada | February 25, 2008 11:17 PM

"No problem, but my point is that they had it in them to win those games. "

Sure. Any game they you're within 1-3 points of with the ball and possession at the end, you have a shot to win. They could have won those games, but they didn't. The fact that they won this one doesn't, at least to me, shed any useful light on what happened on those others. Different teams, different arenas, different circumstances.

Posted by: kalorama | February 25, 2008 11:23 PM

J.Magloire hasnt been productive in NJ, call it lack of motivation or diminished skills... So why do we want his baggage?

Also, signing him would put us over the luxury tax... So you pay a guy his salary and lose 5 million in luxury tax fines and take away minutes from a D-Mac or AB?

What are the positives?

Posted by: JSchon | February 25, 2008 11:24 PM

Where are all the Navarro biatches at tonight??

Posted by: pg posse | February 25, 2008 11:24 PM

"Are the Wizards considering bringing in Jamal Magloire who was just waived by New Jersey??"

Posted by: kalorama | February 25, 2008 11:24 PM

"Are the Wizards considering bringing in Jamal Magloire who was just waived by New Jersey??"

I sure as hell hope not. The fact that he was waived by New Jersey (after spending most of the season rotting on their bench despite the fact that all their other key bigs were hurt) should tell you something about Magloire.

Posted by: kalorama | February 25, 2008 11:26 PM

It's funny - the atmosphere on this blog when the Wizards win versus when they lose is really night and day.

One day, everyone is saying they are a Lottery team, blow it up, fire the coach, trade Jamison, trade Arenas, play this guy, don't play that guy, fire EG, Polin is cheap, sign Magloire, sign Sun Ming Ming.....

Then after a win, everything is completely different.

Very amusing.

Truth is that this is a very good team (in the East) when all three All-Stars are healthy - a .500 team when only two are healthy - and a poor team when only one plays.

Posted by: Rook | February 25, 2008 11:46 PM

Where are all the Navarro biatches at tonight??

Posted by: pg posse | February 25, 2008 11:24 PM

Don't worry, pg posse, as soon as Stevenson misses a game winner, and JCN goes 3-5 with 1 assist, they'll be back.

Posted by: Rook | February 25, 2008 11:49 PM

Are we naysayers, when the coach does what we were pleading for him to do and they play better?
We have been screaming that Songalia, should be a last option at the 4, and never a 5.
BH on the floor in the 4th, instaed of EJ's horrendous small ball, and lookey here.
Play the rooks, and see what happens.
Thta is what we have been screaming, and yes we are happy for the results.
Now let's see if EJ has learned, or was just desperate, tomorrow night. Any bets?

Posted by: mricklen | February 26, 2008 12:17 AM

Are we naysayers, when the coach does what we were pleading for him to do and they play better?
We have been screaming that Songalia, should be a last option at the 4, and never a 5.
BH on the floor in the 4th, instead of EJ's horrendous small ball, and lookey here.
Play the rooks, and see what happens.
That is what we have been screaming, and yes we are happy for the results.
Now let's see if EJ has learned, or was just desperate, tomorrow night. Any bets?

Posted by: mricklen | February 26, 2008 12:17 AM

Fantastic, fun win. Just what this team needed after its horrendous stretch. Hopefully, this will give them some confidence.

EJ, of whom I have been awfully critical, was brilliant tonight. Great lineup changes at just the right time. Having a big, shot-blocking, defending, rebounding team on the floor at the end was the key, IMO. Haywood, McGuire and Jamison.

And how great was our man Brendan, BF#1 and mark? Along with DeShawn, he decided the game. Great hustle plays, rebounds, blocks, sinking two key FTs at the end, and taking the charge. Just big-time, like he's been all year.

Did anyone else notice that Jamison got a lot of rest in the 3rd quarter and into the 4th? He needed it; glad to see him get it. On a more somber note, his long-range game has evaporated this year. That makes me happy, though, because he's much more effective around the bucket.

Gil, in the tape they showed of him at shootaround, looked awful good...

Posted by: Keithinator | February 26, 2008 1:48 AM

You can bring in Magloire in to provide rebounds and some scoring which you're not going to get from Etan this season and he's a big body you can add into the mix. The situation in NJ wasn't his fault...that's just a bad mixture of players they had and as you can see they are blowing it up and they released him to get his salary off the books. The Wiz can sign him for the remainder of the season and see where it goes. D-Mac and AB will still get there minutes but who else do you currently have on the bench when AB or the bigs have off nights or foul trouble. Bring in a healthy body....the Bullets need it.

Posted by: Ben Canada | February 26, 2008 2:12 AM

LOL....the environment in here does change drastically.

Hey, EJ, whom I've been riding lately, finally showed some instinct and creativity and coached a good game. Problem is he needs to do it more often. The lineup after the half was a great idea. The worst thing I could come up with was leaving AD in late in the game. Sorry, I like the guy, but his ailments have hindered his game a lot lately. He is not setting up any offense or not anymore than Mason can and Mason is 10x the shooter he is. Anyway, nice win!

Alas, McGuire is turning into a solid player at least on D and the boards. He even picked up Paul at the top of the key I think twice and pretty much stayed with him. Dare I say he could possibly be our best defensive player already. If not, it's getting close! Kudos to my man EG again. He finds people who can play in the league even in the second round!!!!

Finally, who was it I was going back and forth with in the summer arguing that Stevenson's contract was not bad at all. That he was actually a pretty good bargain.
Anyway, he is the man. Playing great, playing hurt, and showing these kids what it takes to be a real player in the league. If some of this ever rubs of on Blatche, look out!!!!

Posted by: Rob P | February 26, 2008 4:56 AM

By the way, Buchhantz's "DAGGER" has made ESPN. Outstanding!

Where is all this Magloire talk coming from? The guy is a complete bum! There is NOBODY out there that is going to make a bit of difference for this team. Can't understand why others can't understand that.

FYI, Stevenson for the season has higher stats across the board than Navarro. It's not even close! Plus, you don't get a damn bit of D from Navarro, which we all know is exactly what the Wiz need! And to add salt to the Navarro fans wounds, the dude plays for a pathetic team so if anyone should be stuffing stats it should be him.

Navarro should never be brought up again unless it's in the form of a joke as it was tonight!!!! Ha!

Posted by: Rob P | February 26, 2008 5:28 AM

I may have missed it in all the posts, but did no-one notice that we win a tight game with a clutch play and guess what? there was no time out, so no chance for the 'play' to be drawn up...coincidence?

Posted by: Conor | February 26, 2008 6:18 AM

Great win - We need and got some outside shooting, Nick Young needs more minutes and needs to work on handling the ball. He and Songalia cannot dribble two steps without having a problem.

Posted by: Bridgewater, VA | February 26, 2008 7:25 AM

DS played great... I hate using the word "warrior", it sounds so cheesy, but it applies here...

He is capable of this, he is the ultimate streak shooter...

He is also capable of going 0-8...

I was one who supported resigning DS for continuity's sake and for the fact that he plays solid perimeter D, and he was cheap.

He thrived last year getting open looks because GA and CB were on the court. His shooting % shows you that, 46% to 38% this year.

I guess my point is dont expect half of last nights production ever from him and dont club him when he goes 0-7.

At times, most times, we are knee-jerk reaction fans.

Dont blow-up this team. Its not like we're old, just unlucky with injuries. If we get into the playoffs and manage a 7th seed and play DET to a 3-2, best of 5 series loss, we blow it up? This team deserves one more year together, EJ deserves one more year with this crew and so does EG.

A lot also has to do with what GA and EG decide to do after the season. But as we have seen, even large salaries arent difficult to move.

Posted by: JSchon | February 26, 2008 7:25 AM

Sportsnet's Chris Miller commented after the game that EJ has said he is "trusting his rookies more."

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 7:32 AM

Wow, DeShawn is Player of the Day on ESPN's Daily Dime... I can't feel my face!

Anyone who saw his second half against Charlotte on Saturday should not be totally surprised, but in away game against a good New orleans team that was darned impressive.

No question, EG can add stealing DeShawn from the two-less Magic to his list of
smart moves.

Hard to imagine a repeat stunner against Houston, but stranger things have happened and AJ is due to break out a bit.

Posted by: khrabb | February 26, 2008 7:49 AM

J schon, best of 5 series? have you not watched the nba in 10 years?

and the media continues to not show the wiz any love. si.com's headline has the hornets beating the wiz last night. and the other night when they played the bobcats, espn radio reported that the bobcats won that game.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 7:54 AM

It was a great win last night, and people here are obviously going ga-ga, but let's get a grip. This win doesn't erase the fact that Les BouleS lost to the knicks last week and blew a 23 pt. lead against the warriors.

This win shows that the team has potential and the young guns have skill if only EJ gives them a chance.

Again, great win, but it doesn't change the fact that Les BouleS are still in a dire situation with both their all stars out indefinitely and being 2 games below .500.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 8:14 AM

This win is a credit to our shooting coach and our veterans. Low turnovers and high FT% will keep you in most games. I don't think our new shooting coach gets enough credit. We're killing people with our FT's. Now, if we could just manage to get to the line more each game...
great win. looks like DS can score if we ask him to. he's a better player than he was in last year's playoffs. nothing like playoff experience.

Posted by: mark | February 26, 2008 8:24 AM

And how great was our man Brendan, BF#1 and mark? Along with DeShawn, he decided the game. Great hustle plays, rebounds, blocks, sinking two key FTs at the end, and taking the charge. Just big-time, like he's been all year.

Posted by: Keithinator | February 26, 2008 01:48 AM

Yo Keith. This is all we were trying to say since last year. Haywood was doing the same thing last year, but kept getting yanked and banished to the bench for no good reason.

Kudo's to EJ to "FINALLY" see what he has and not wasting it. EJ if you are reading this, please "CONTINUE TO CALL THE SUBSTITIONS LIKE YOU HAVE THE LAST THREE GAMES (I.E. NO MORE slow small-ball). Keep up the good work with this depleted unit. One of these days you might get an owner who is not on a "tight budget"......

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | February 26, 2008 8:38 AM

Great game,great game, great game!

I am so glad the Wiz pulled this one out. As short handed as they have been, you must admit, these fellas have been playing their collective hears out. Go Deshawn! We need a finisher and last night it was you. Congrats my man! I also have to say I am so glad to see DMac play. I watched him during the summer league and dude got game. My friends and I call him "Stretch" because sometimes it seems as if his arms are made of playdough or something. He can haul in the rebounds from out of nowhere! He won't even be under the basket but somehow manages to stretch his arms over and around everyone else and haul in those rebounds. I also like what I am seeing with Haywood as well. Great TEAM effort. Go Wiz!

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 8:42 AM

Finally, who was it I was going back and forth with in the summer arguing that Stevenson's contract was not bad at all. That he was actually a pretty good bargain.
Anyway, he is the man. Playing great, playing hurt, and showing these kids what it takes to be a real player in the league. If some of this ever rubs of on Blatche, look out!!!!

Posted by: Rob P | February 26, 2008 04:56 AM

It was me Rob P who you were going back and forth with. As I said already that crow I am eating on tastes real good with barbeque sauce right now. I was totally wrong on my assessment of DS. The dude is improving every game, not just this game.

Now I know I am setting myself up for a "hit" with this statement, but oh well. Believe it or not, the game you are seeing from him now is what I saw him doing in the summer down at Barry Farms. Now I know, I know this is a "summer league" with non NBA players etc. etc. etc.

However the point I am trying to make is he played so free down there, he was driving and dunking over dudes off of the dribble. I made the comment back in the summer that I was totally surprised to see the dude had any kind of "shake to his game" because he always looked so "stiff" playing for the Wiz.

Rob P I give you all the props for calling this one on DS. He is a true bargin, so you and EG got this one right. Even if he goes cold again for 5 games, I'm not mad at him.........

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | February 26, 2008 8:57 AM

Do you think coaching against his old boss sharpened Eddie's focus? Or is he starting to get a feel for the young bench and what he can rely on them to produce?

Either way nice coaching job last night. Rookies are either going to hit a wall in the second half, or if they're brought along slowly they start to get it and produce. Looks like some of our young guns are starting to get it.

When Caron went down this team was gunning for third best record in the East and just came off of back to back wins against the Celtics, who had just 4 losses before that. Gil is practicing, Caron is rehabbing, the hip transplant has been put on hold, so the two Allstars are on the way back.

I'd agree, with everyone healthy this is a very good team, one Allstar down they can play well enough to compete in the East. With two down they struggle, but by struggling the bench has improved which could make them better in the end.

Stevenson deserves all the props he's gotten on here, but Mason played the Wiz back in the game in the second quarter. The guy is going to be a very solid vet off the bench come playoff time.

I really think this Swaddagger thing is starting to take off. When it does remember it was mine, I think 88's really starting to like it. It's nice to see him like something...

Posted by: GM | February 26, 2008 9:06 AM

Props to EJ for realizaing that he needs DS2 to be the guy with the ball at the end of the game. He can hit the J or take it to the basket to draw a foul. AD is clearly not himself and EJ was misusing him. Wiz fans should be thanking EG for keeping Brendan Haywood who made 2 huge plays last night. BTW, it seemed like the refs were doing everything they could to force any OT with that bogus foul line violation at the end. Patience Wizards fans - it's going to get better when we get back Caron and Gil . We've got 7 of 8 at home at the beginning of March which should give us a lift.

Posted by: wizfan89 | February 26, 2008 9:17 AM

Great win for the Wizards!

DS - played one of his best game.....heck I thought he was Dwayne Wade with beard in the 4th quarter. Now I just wish more consistency from him.

BH - Outplayed the "almost" all-star center Tyson Chandler. Great hustle/effort all night. I hope everybody in the bench can see that BH can be a solid player in this league and not just a 20-25 mins PT.

EJ - I'm one his critic but last night was a great coaching job. Solid substitution and no small ball.

And what was even better was that Indiana, Chicago and Atlanta all lose which gave the Wiz the extra space from them.

Posted by: Dave, | February 26, 2008 9:23 AM

"I really think this Swaddagger thing is starting to take off. When it does remember it was mine, I think 88's really starting to like it. It's nice to see him like something...

Posted by: GM | February 26, 2008 09:06 AM "

When are you going to sell those T-shirts at your hardware store?

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 9:27 AM

Strange Note: The Wiz Kids have "good" case of the Mondays. They are 4-1 on Monday games (2 over the Mavs, 1 against the Celtics, loss against Golden State, and of course lastnight)

That crow you speak of comes in Brendan Haywood flavor also and I'm eating it...God I did not see this kind of production coming from him. Those last two minutes from him was what kept us in the game.

I remember being at the OBX in July and running into a Sleven to read the paper and there I saw it, we steal Deshawn for 4 yrs/$15 million. I was a happy camper that day and today.

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | February 26, 2008 10:10 AM

This team is so strange. They can beat any team, and they can lose to any team. I think that points to poor motivation and focus.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 10:20 AM

It was a great win last night, and people here are obviously going ga-ga, but let's get a grip...Again, great win, but it doesn't change the fact that Les BouleS are still in a dire situation with both their all stars out indefinitely and being 2 games below .500.
-DC Man 88

Forget about getting a grip, it's too late for that. Try letting go, 88 man, enjoy the trip; win or lose, watch the young talent struggle to show their stuff and the vets playing through injuries and rising to the occasion, or failing, it's the flavor of the game, savor it.
As for all stars Arenas and Butler, it's obvious that the Eddie and Ernie brain trust, (Ivan too in his column today), sees there is nothing dire about to happen to the sixth seed in the East, if after losing 10 of 13 they are still the sixth seed in the East. So what's the point in hurrying their return (Arenas and Butler) until they are absolutely healthy. In the meantime the rooks and the bench are getting better day by day, win or lose. Take a deep breath 88... now let go of that grip.

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 10:24 AM

"This team is so strange. They can beat any team, and they can lose to any team. I think that points to poor motivation and focus.

Posted by: | February 26, 2008 10:20 AM "

We see this every season.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 10:27 AM

"Forget about getting a grip, it's too late for that. Try letting go, 88 man, enjoy the trip; win or lose, watch the young talent struggle to show their stuff and the vets playing through injuries and rising to the occasion, or failing, it's the flavor of the game, savor it.
As for all stars Arenas and Butler, it's obvious that the Eddie and Ernie brain trust, (Ivan too in his column today), sees there is nothing dire about to happen to the sixth seed in the East, if after losing 10 of 13 they are still the sixth seed in the East. So what's the point in hurrying their return (Arenas and Butler) until they are absolutely healthy. In the meantime the rooks and the bench are getting better day by day, win or lose. Take a deep breath 88... now let go of that grip.

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 10:24 AM "

Watching the young guys play, struggle or thrive, is fine. It's been the poor coaching/substitution that's been hard to stomach.

Also, this game is not just about fun and watching. It's about winning most importantly. You've got to raise your expectations, especially when these dudes are getting megabucks/max money.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 10:29 AM

It's about winning most importantly. You've got to raise your expectations, especially when these dudes are getting megabucks/max money. - DC Man 88

It's their megabucks money not mine to worry about but it's all for my enjoyment. Winning and losing are the strokes that hone the edge of performance, the enjoyment is the game. 88 you need to raise your perception and lower your expectation.

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 10:39 AM

"It's their megabucks money not mine to worry about but it's all for my enjoyment. Winning and losing are the strokes that hone the edge of performance, the enjoyment is the game. 88 you need to raise your perception and lower your expectation.

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 10:39 AM "

You sound like you prefer watching a game where the score is not kept. Unfortunately, the NBA is a business and these dudes are supposedly playing for championships, not for fun. Otherwise, they wouldn't be getting paid.

You might want to just check out games at the local Y or some And 1 tourneys instead.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 11:12 AM

Yeah, Haywood battled Chandler pretty good all night. Not only caused Chandler to foul out, but limited him to 4 pts, well below his season average of 12.3 pts. Haywood, OTOH, got 12 pts, 8 bds, and 2 blks, above his season average of 11/7.5/1.6.

Posted by: Sagaliba | February 26, 2008 11:19 AM

Don't forget that critical charge call that BTH got from the ref against David West, the all star. Who says the refs are always biased against Les BouleS.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 11:26 AM

this is turning into 88er's private personal blog where no one has a right to any opinion but him...Everyone might as well give up posting any comments, as he will always contradict you and twist your words into one of his highly illogical witticisms because he always has the last word!

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 11:27 AM

You sound like you prefer watching a game where the score is not kept. Unfortunately, the NBA is a business and these dudes are supposedly playing for championships, not for fun. Otherwise, they wouldn't be getting paid.

You might want to just check out games at the local Y or some And 1 tourneys instead.
-DC Man 88

Leave it to a business to take the fun out of a game and DC Man 88 to dig it when they do.
I'll check out out the 1 tourneys, thanks for the tip 88.

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 11:30 AM

"this is turning into 88er's private personal blog where no one has a right to any opinion but him...Everyone might as well give up posting any comments, as he will always contradict you and twist your words into one of his highly illogical witticisms because he always has the last word!

Posted by: | February 26, 2008 11:27 AM "

Oh really?

So it's become my personal blog when someone tells me directly that I should just enjoy the game and not care whether Les BouleS win or lose, that games mean more than wins and losses?

I guess if no one here cared about wins and losses, then no one should be complaining after a loss, or complaining about the coaches, or complaining about lack of trade activity, but surprise surprise, 99.5% of the people here do. Not just me.

Talk about being illogical, go look in the mirror.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 11:32 AM

"Leave it to a business to take the fun out of a game and DC Man 88 to dig it when they do.
I'll check out out the 1 tourneys, thanks for the tip 88.

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 11:30 AM "

Check this out. If the NBA wasn't a business, you wouldn't have even seen the game last night on TV, and the NBA wouldn't even exist.

If you want "fun out of the game," you shouldn't be watching "professional" sports.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 11:34 AM

So it's become my personal blog when someone tells me directly that I should just enjoy the game and not care whether Les BouleS win or lose, that games mean more than wins and losses?

I guess if no one here cared about wins and losses, then no one should be complaining after a loss, or complaining about the coaches, or complaining about lack of trade activity, but surprise surprise, 99.5% of the people here do. Not just me.

Talk about being illogical, go look in the mirror.
-DC Man 88

If you're obsessed with wins, wail on it baby, nobody says you have to enjoy. Or maybe you enjoy obsessing, like on Arenas.

By the way, the "look in the mirror line" is beginning to be overused on this blog.

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 11:40 AM

"this is turning into 88er's private personal blog where no one has a right to any opinion but him...Everyone might as well give up posting any comments, as he will always contradict you and twist your words into one of his highly illogical witticisms because he always has the last word!"

I guess you haven't read any post from Kalorama yet.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 11:47 AM

Check this out. If the NBA wasn't a business, you wouldn't have even seen the game last night on TV, and the NBA wouldn't even exist.

If you want "fun out of the game," you shouldn't be watching "professional" sports.
-DC Man 88

I don't have a TV to watch the game on precisely for that reason, I watch the game elsewhere; and if the pro game wasn't fun, 88 hombre, no one would watch it and there would be no business.
If it is really about business why don't you head out to WalMart and watch them ring up some sales, or better yet stream some that market ticker on your TV, now there's something you might enjoy.

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 11:51 AM

Two all-stars are hurt...every win is FANTASTIC and every loss is understandable. If the Cavs, Celts, Spurs, Hornets, Rockets, etc. all lost their top two players, then they would all be bottom-feeders like us. Enjoy the players and coaches we are left with, they are doing there best!!!!

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | February 26, 2008 11:55 AM

"I don't have a TV to watch the game on precisely for that reason, I watch the game elsewhere; and if the pro game wasn't fun, 88 hombre, no one would watch it and there would be no business.
If it is really about business why don't you head out to WalMart and watch them ring up some sales, or better yet stream some that market ticker on your TV, now there's something you might enjoy.

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 11:51 AM "

I think for some reason, you have a weak concept of reality.

Whereever you decide to "watch" the game doesn't matter. The point is that the game would not even be broadcast on radio or tv if investors (advertisers, owners, etc.) didn't think there was money to be made.

Have you ever heard of games being blacked out? That's when a team sucks, nobody buys tickets, and the networks refuse to show the game on TV.

Therefore, the reality is that the team "must do well" or games will not be attended, attendance will drop, and franchises will move to other states.

Keep watching whereever you want to watch, but make no mistake, it's not free.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 11:56 AM

That's right 88, there is no free lunch just free advice. You enjoy the business and I'll enjoy the game.

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 12:02 PM

BTW, you wouldn't even be writing on this blog now if the NBA was just about having fun and watching a good game, win or lose.

The Post hasn't set up this blog out of the kindness of their heart and Ivan isn't sent on boondoggles to watch games for his personal enrichment. He's sent to games to cover them and write pieces, and people buy papers because of this and people surf this blog b/c of this, which attracts advertisers.

Get a grip on reality.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 12:09 PM

I agree Burg w/a U. Great insight and post. Go Wiz! I am not sure how they will fare tonight, but I hope they bring it like they did last night. For those posters with Direct TV, the game is on CSN plus.
By the way, Ivan where are you with todays updates?? That way there will be a topic upon which to comment and hopefully all of the back and forth crap will stop and we can stay on topic.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 12:13 PM

Never cared much for the reality you describe. However you're welcome to maintain your grip on it, just don't let it get away.

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 12:14 PM

Yeah, go Wiz, whatever.

Posted by: Myskin | February 26, 2008 12:16 PM

Keep enjoying that game on tv, keep buying those name brand sneakers, and keep posting to this blog. You're making your small contribution to this NBA business whether you realize it or not.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 12:42 PM

In most of the recent losses since Caron went out, the Wiz had a chance to close the game out in the final minutes and until last night just couldn't do it. Most NBA games are decided in the 4th qtr. We have to accept the reality that the absence of our 2 best players hurts most in the final stages of the games. Until one or both return we're going to continue to struggle in the end of games, notwithstanding the amazing effort last night. I'd like to think that last night can be a springboard but it is most likely the law of averages. After losing close games against Suns, Warriors, Knicks, Cavs etc. we were due.

Posted by: arnie | February 26, 2008 12:51 PM

what the...of course it's a business. who said it's not? these guys are making money, but it's still a game that we enjoy and love. i like to watch because the skill level of the players are so much more than you see at the local rec, and of course somewhere along the line I pay for this privilege. Myshkin's point was that you see the negative in EVERYTHING, and always have to point it out. I think we all know by the deficiencies of this team (poor coaching/subs at times, uninspired play and injuries, among other things) but every once in a while it's nice to just bask in a hard fought win. can't you EVER say anything positive without adding one of your snide little remarks?

Posted by: babbtong | February 26, 2008 12:56 PM

Okay 88, you cured me, the NBA no longer interests me.
That said you never responded to my initial point regarding basketball as practiced in these here NBA cities but instead tore out on a rabid disquisition regarding the nuts and bolts of the world of business and sport.
So again I ask, it seems come seasons end the Wiz are going be seeded sixth and play Orlando first round, so what's with the hand wringing and the worry about getting Arenas and Butler back tous de suite, particularly with the rooks and bench gaining experience in their absence?

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 1:00 PM

Yes it does seem to have become Slurp's blog. If you've got enough backups -- which I'm sure Slurp does -- check to see who's blog PT is way down or absent. Looks like a Slurp trade to me . . .

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 1:01 PM

Lighten up DC Man - goodness! Everybody wants their professional teams to win - we are just not as fanatical about it as you...

Anyway, Deshawn was a beast last night - I really hope that the Wiz can keep this up.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 1:02 PM

"what the...of course it's a business. who said it's not? these guys are making money, but it's still a game that we enjoy and love. i like to watch because the skill level of the players are so much more than you see at the local rec, and of course somewhere along the line I pay for this privilege. Myshkin's point was that you see the negative in EVERYTHING, and always have to point it out. I think we all know by the deficiencies of this team (poor coaching/subs at times, uninspired play and injuries, among other things) but every once in a while it's nice to just bask in a hard fought win. can't you EVER say anything positive without adding one of your snide little remarks?

Posted by: babbtong | February 26, 2008 12:56 PM "

babbtong, stop babbling.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 1:15 PM

Back to basketball....... Ivan - Do you think Eddie will decide to start DMAC at the "3" over AB and have AB spell Haywood?

DMAC seems to play well with Haywood at the "5" and AJ at the "4". Then he can have AB come in for Haywood where we would never lose length on the floor.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | February 26, 2008 1:17 PM

"Okay 88, you cured me, the NBA no longer interests me.
That said you never responded to my initial point regarding basketball as practiced in these here NBA cities but instead tore out on a rabid disquisition regarding the nuts and bolts of the world of business and sport.
So again I ask, it seems come seasons end the Wiz are going be seeded sixth and play Orlando first round, so what's with the hand wringing and the worry about getting Arenas and Butler back tous de suite, particularly with the rooks and bench gaining experience in their absence?

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 01:00 PM "

Yeah, it doesn't really matter b/c Les BouleS will lose anyway. Obviously though, they have a slightly better chance at winning if they had their stars. Otherwise, why would they pay certain people 10 mil while they pay others 1 mil?

Myshkin, did you use to star in those geico commercials and that short lived tv show on NBC?

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 1:17 PM

I hope the Wizards are not too tired to put up a fight tonight. With Daniels and Stevenson playing through pain, it's time for the bench to come out aggressive, confident and ballsy. Go Wizards!

Posted by: rgz | February 26, 2008 1:17 PM

I take great exception to whomever thinks Caron is blowing off the rest of the season because of his hip flexor,just so you know that injury prevents lateral mobility and the ability to jump which I am sure you are aware is critical, Caron and Antwan have been carrying this team since GA has been gone DS too and now the bench is starting too come around I can't say enough about BTH and his defensive stature game in and game out don't count this team out.

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | February 26, 2008 1:17 PM

Know TV? No TV, remember?

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 1:19 PM

You know Arnie, I was thanking the basketball Gods for smiling on us last night. I was like surely this can't end like so many of the other games. FINALLY, the pendulum swung in favor of the Wiz and they were so deserving of an ending as fitting as the one last night. In spite of everything they have been going through, injuries,bad officiating, bad coaching decisions etc, they have never cried "uncle" and just gave up and packed it in. They come back night after night and fight. Now, let's see if we can use that momentum to steal another one tonight. LETS GO WIZARDS! YEA!

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 1:33 PM

"Know TV? No TV, remember?

Posted by: Myshkin | February 26, 2008 01:19 PM "

No tv at your house, but you can still mooch off your friends or hang out at Best Buy/Circuit City.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 1:49 PM

NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!

YAO MING BREAKS FOOT AND IS OUT FOR THE SEASON

This game has gone from hard to winnable.

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | February 26, 2008 1:50 PM

Caron has been out so long, and obviously can't do much due to his hip, so you know he can't do much to improve his cardio while he's out.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 1:51 PM

Good news or bad news for Les Boules tonight? Yao out for the season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3265631

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 1:54 PM

Myshkin - how totally 'Zen' of you... (grin)

Posted by: Rook | February 26, 2008 2:01 PM

I wouldn't necessarily translate the loss the unfortunate loss of Yao Ming as an automatic win for the Wiz. They are coming off a tough game last night and we all know how the Wiz can be at times. It is hard to say whether they will come out fired up or flat. Wow! Hate to see a season ending injury happen to anyone on any team. That is too bad for Houson. If anyone know how it feels, the Wiz does. However, a win is a win and I say use this to their advantage and stick it to em!

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 2:07 PM

The commies in china are probably all up in arms right now. There goes their chance at medaling in the olympics, although he's got 6 months to heal up.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 2:16 PM

If ever a time when we should dominate the paint, it should be against the Rockets with Yao out. I wouldn't be surprised to see BTH get 15 minutes, though.

Posted by: mark | February 26, 2008 2:36 PM

Too bad, I hate to see Yao get hurt. Where it might help the Rockets is that now instead of being conflicted about whether the offense can go through Yao or T-Mac, it can go through T-Mac and they can go from there.
I will say this much, Shane Battier has been a thorn in the Wizards side in the past (and for those Terps fans out there that only makes it worse!), they better not leave him open for 3's. Another guy who always seems to be a hero against the Wizards for the Rockets is Luther Head, I hope they don't let him get loose tonight either.

Posted by: George Templeton | February 26, 2008 2:36 PM

huge win by the Wiz, Yao out for the year, and no postings by Ivan since the 3rd quarter last night?!

is Ivan passed out on Bourbon Street??

Posted by: Sam | February 26, 2008 2:53 PM

Poor Yao. He gets hurt so much because the PRC forces him to play 12 months a year every year, and that big body just breaks down from continual pounding and not enough rest. I wish David Stern could talk his commie handlers into treating him like a human being, instead of a piece of equipment, but that's probably too much to expect from a regime that turns political prisoners into organ donors.

It's a sucky break for the Rockets,but don't feel sorry for them--at least they've still got T-Mac. We're down two all-stars and two other starters (AD and Mr. I Can't Feel My Face) are playing with injuries that would qualify them for disability checks in the civilian world.

Posted by: John Brisker | February 26, 2008 3:14 PM

Who knows, maybe Deke will feel resurrected (like BTH) with Yao gone and turn in the game of his life. Hopefully it won't turn into a dunk fest now that they have Gerald Green to go with TMac. Oh yeah, it was a dude named Luther Head who really killed Les BouleS last time.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 3:29 PM

Got to say 88 you never cease to amaze. Your lecture this morning on the NBA being nothing but a business was really enjoyable.

This from the guy that wanted to sign Ming Ming to a contract so that Abe could give up his share of the luxury tax proceeds. After Dallas's contribution to make the Kidd deal and the series of trades in the West Abe's share of that haul will be some where over 5 million dollars.

That would be giving up alot of Ming for Ming Ming! From the strickly business point of view that you expoused this morning you have to see the logic of Abe's thinking.

Abe sells upper deck seats on full season plans for $15.00. To make up 5m in ticket sales he'd have to sell 8130 more seats per night for all 41 home dates. Based on current average sales, the Arena isn't that big.

So from your strickly business point of view what possible incentive would there be? The only way to increase the club's income enough to offset the loss of the Wizards share of the Luxury Tax would be to advance to the second round of the playoffs and get the additional home dates that will go along with that.

From the basketball point of view, what player is out there that would possibly enhance the Wizards chances of advancing in the playoffs? Or what player is in the D League that would stand a chance of even getting off the bench in a playoff game?

Your harping on a near daily basis about the Wizards signing someone or anyone really makes no business sense. And I didn't need an MBA to figure that one out!

Posted by: GM | February 26, 2008 4:01 PM

In my earlier post re tonight's possibilities of a win in Houston I said stranger things have happened... Geez.

We shall see soon enough whether the Rockets can regroup quickly or whether the initial shock of losing Yao for the season will be too much to handle on such short notice.

Posted by: khrabb | February 26, 2008 4:12 PM

The Rockets should spread the floor and use their speed advantage against our tired legs.

Alston should have a big night and Carl Landry looks like he's finally figured out the pro game.

Hopefully, Antawn will have his legs under his shot tonight. When he goes cold its downright glacial.

Posted by: Pauly B. | February 26, 2008 4:33 PM

"This from the guy that wanted to sign Ming Ming to a contract so that Abe could give up his share of the luxury tax proceeds. After Dallas's contribution to make the Kidd deal and the series of trades in the West Abe's share of that haul will be some where over 5 million dollars.

That would be giving up alot of Ming for Ming Ming! From the strickly business point of view that you expoused this morning you have to see the logic of Abe's thinking.

Abe sells upper deck seats on full season plans for $15.00. To make up 5m in ticket sales he'd have to sell 8130 more seats per night for all 41 home dates. Based on current average sales, the Arena isn't that big.

So from your strickly business point of view what possible incentive would there be? The only way to increase the club's income enough to offset the loss of the Wizards share of the Luxury Tax would be to advance to the second round of the playoffs and get the additional home dates that will go along with that.

From the basketball point of view, what player is out there that would possibly enhance the Wizards chances of advancing in the playoffs? Or what player is in the D League that would stand a chance of even getting off the bench in a playoff game?

Your harping on a near daily basis about the Wizards signing someone or anyone really makes no business sense. And I didn't need an MBA to figure that one out!

Posted by: GM | February 26, 2008 04:01 PM "

GM, reality is not part of your thought process. I did not say EG should sign Sun Ming Ming. I said EG should show that he's at least trying to get this team to do better and to prevent the undermanned staff from getting burned out by working out players and evaluating them at VC to see if they can help the team.

Buying a guy a plane ticket and a night's stay at Motel 6 is not going to throw Les BouleS over the lux cap. Get real GM.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 4:34 PM

Les Boules can't even field a 5 on 5 game with their players during practice. What kind of mom and pop crock of a business plan is that?!?!

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 4:36 PM

"On a larger scale, Jordan wants to win now. Like any coach who signed a two-year extension with a team option for the third year last summer, the continuity line gets old.

"But I understand Mr. Pollin's standpoint," Jordan said. "We want to stay within a certain budget for the Washington Wizards. We're not going to be like four or five or six other teams that can do anything it takes to win. Those are decisions we made within the organization. It doesn't bother me. There are times when you say, 'How come we can't get this guy?' But then you say, 'These are the parameters the organization has set.' "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021602210.htm

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 4:40 PM

it's no use replying to 88er. he can not understand simple logic.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 4:49 PM

Eighty Eight lacks sense
Sung Ming Ming at Motel 6
China Town baby

Posted by: Haiku | February 26, 2008 5:00 PM

What kind of mom and pop crock of a business plan is that?!?!

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 04:36 PM
Irene and Abe Pollin have owned and have run the Bullets/Wizards franchise for 44 years, moving the Chicago Packers to Baltimore and later Washington D.C. Abe Pollin built Verizon Center with his own money, not with D.C.'s money or with any other corporate welfare. And you have?...

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 5:16 PM

Spoken by an insider (EJ), as GM continues to sniff the paint off his shelves:

-----------------------------------------

On a larger scale, Jordan wants to win now. Like any coach who signed a two-year extension with a team option for the third year last summer, the continuity line gets old.

"But I understand Mr. Pollin's standpoint," Jordan said. "We want to stay within a certain budget for the Washington Wizards. We're not going to be like four or five or six other teams that can do anything it takes to win. Those are decisions we made within the organization. It doesn't bother me. There are times when you say, 'How come we can't get this guy?' But then you say, 'These are the parameters the organization has set.' "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021602210.htm

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 5:27 PM

"huge win by the Wiz, Yao out for the year, and no postings by Ivan since the 3rd quarter last night?!

is Ivan passed out on Bourbon Street??"

Posted by: Sam | February 26, 2008 02:53 PM


Hilarious!! I read this and started laughing so hard!! Good one Sam!!

I can just see Ivan out on Bourbon Street last night partying after that amazing win!!

Posted by: Darnell | February 26, 2008 5:34 PM

DCMan88 needs to learn the fine art of consensus building, but he's not patently wrong. The thing is that we are not talking about our salary cap or our budget. It's Abe's. So unless there was an IPO on Fun Street that I'm not aware of, to say, "we're right up against the salary cap," suggests you are one of the owners of the Wiz. There's no need to defend the owners. Abe & Co. can raise tix prices, generate more ad revenue or cut operating costs, among other things to offset payroll costs.

I'm not suggesting that we spend our way in and out of trouble like the Dolan's or Paul Allen, but it would've been appropriate this year to go over the cap in order to take a shot at the title. When you are a smaller market you can't do it every year, but my take is you should do it when it looks like you are capable of more than a first round exit. Not a Florida Marlins one-time free for all, but a calculated risk as the core peaks. Once every so often kind of a move. Heck, it might even pay for itself.

I do agree that practice bodies are not worth going over for. It's gotta be for a championship push.

Posted by: Pauly B. | February 26, 2008 5:35 PM

The prob with going over the cap is you not only pay dollar for dollar, but you also lose out the money distributed to all the teams that stayed under.

I like the makeup of our roster with 3 legit allstars, some solid role guys (Darius, AD, DeShawn, Haywood, etc) and the young developing guys ('Dray, NY, Pesh, DMac).

I'd hate to see us dump money on some overrated guy who comes in and gets everything outta whack like a Steve Francis, Bonzi Wells, Marbury, Artest, or some other fool. I think we are trying to follow the model of smart consistant teams like the Spurs and Pistons.

Posted by: Darnell | February 26, 2008 5:45 PM

You have to take a deep breath and pay the tax if you have a chance to get Garnett or Kobe and make a serious run at the title. Short of making that sort of move, it doesn't make good business sense to bust the cap. Abe's using his money, not ours, remember.

Posted by: john brisker | February 26, 2008 6:06 PM

I did not say EG should sign Sun Ming Ming.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 04:34 PM

You certainly DID say it. First you posted a tirade on how "lez Boulez" and Abe are so cheap.... Then proceeded to tell everyone that they should sign another player.... Then suggested they sign Sun Ming Ming or James Lang.

Another post, you said "Anybody got Sun Ming Ming or James Lang on speed dial?"...

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"So DC Man88 - who is out there that you would sign?"

.....At least if they sign someone like James Lang or Sun Ming Ming, they can provide 6 fouls and at least a couple of boards. Where the heck is Reuben Boumtjie Boumtjie?

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 22, 2007 10:45 PM
------------
You gotta remember that EVERYTHING you post is out there for anyone and everyone to see, and therefore pull back up and read, again and again. You DID say that EG should sign Sun Ming Ming.

Rediculous to try to deny it.


Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 6:17 PM

"At least if they sign someone like James Lang or Sun Ming Ming"

And a stupid statement it was too! Sign Sun Ming Ming for $477K (Rookie Minimum Salary) - pay the tax of $477K - and forefit the Tax Payment of roughly $5 Million....

Almost $6 Million dollars is a lot to pay for Sun Ming Ming..... (it would be even more for James Lang, since he is a 2-year 'vet')

Posted by: Rook | February 26, 2008 6:23 PM

Go ahead DC Man88, you can say it.....

Just say: "I was wrong. I did say to sign Sun Ming Ming. I admit it. It was a mistake on my part to deny it."

We won't think any less of you. (Although I don't think that's possible anyway.)

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 6:27 PM

Wow, a lot of hating on Abe. Look, most owners in the NBA aren't willing to pay the luxury tax. Pollin is hardly unique in that regard. He is over the cap, so it's not like he won't spend at all.

Posted by: Keithinator | February 26, 2008 6:35 PM

"Irene and Abe Pollin have owned and have run the Bullets/Wizards franchise for 44 years, moving the Chicago Packers to Baltimore and later Washington D.C. Abe Pollin built Verizon Center with his own money, not with D.C.'s money or with any other corporate welfare. And you have?...

Posted by: | February 26, 2008 05:16 PM "

Yeah, I guess you're right.

Even more accomplished people like Mark Cuban and Mickey Arison are fools for being overly proactive and overly aggressive in trying whatever it takes to bring a championship to their teams. They should just take a cue from Dishonest Abe's book and sit back and collect the luxury tax welfare. Oh yess...

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 7:02 PM

".....At least if they sign someone like James Lang or Sun Ming Ming, they can provide 6 fouls and at least a couple of boards. Where the heck is Reuben Boumtjie Boumtjie?

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 22, 2007 10:45 PM
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You gotta remember that EVERYTHING you post is out there for anyone and everyone to see, and therefore pull back up and read, again and again. You DID say that EG should sign Sun Ming Ming.

Rediculous to try to deny it.


Posted by: | February 26, 2008 06:17 PM "

I guess you didn't see the sarcasm in my comments as I included Rueben Boumtjie Boumtjie who's clearly out of the league, or James Lang who was comical while he was here.

Too bad for you that you had to dig deep to find this quote, but then totally misunderstand the intent of it.

LOL!

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 7:05 PM

"Wow, a lot of hating on Abe. Look, most owners in the NBA aren't willing to pay the luxury tax. Pollin is hardly unique in that regard. He is over the cap, so it's not like he won't spend at all.

Posted by: Keithinator | February 26, 2008 06:35 PM "

There are roughly 3 ways to try to get good in the NBA.

1. Build from the draft and develop your own players with patience and great coaching

2. Acquire players and spend wisely through free agency to add to your core group of players.

3. Aggressively throw money at players to b build a dream team.

Abe can't seem to do any of these because he's not aggressive enough to spend, nor savvy enough to build, so that's why he's resigned to the fact that if the luxury welfare is there, then just take it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 7:09 PM

Cool it.
It'll all work out.
Maybe not this year but the Wizzies will be competitive for the next 2 or four years on the present course.Things always smooth out with a bunch of WINS. Ivan musy be enjoying the 1/4. Hope he's OK.

Posted by: VB Fan | February 26, 2008 7:22 PM

Oh good one, DC Man88....

I didn't say it...
I said it in jest....
You misunderstood the intent.....

You should be a politician. They tell falsehoods (lies) like that too.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 7:38 PM

I guess you didn't see the sarcasm in my comments

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 07:05 PM

Sun Ming Ming may not be the second coming of Yao Ming, but you can't coach height, and this dude is a legit 7-8, and if he's got decent hands, for sure he can get a few blocks a game and clog the middle. Nobody thought anything of unproven Gheorge or Manute, and they made decent impacts in the NBA during their prime just by being tall dudes and altering shots.

Posted by: DC Man88 | October 23, 2007 12:07 AM


So where was the sarcasm in the comments you made in October....

Posted by: Rook | February 26, 2008 7:44 PM

DC - I appears that you were clearly advocating the Wizards signing Sum Ming.

Why can't you just stand behind your very public statements?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 7:45 PM

That is BS that DCMan is trying to convince everyone he was being sarcastic. I seem to remember back around July sometime, when DCMan kept saying Ming Ming would be a good signing, because he saw him play in the ABA with some gimmicky team in the area (I dont even know what the ABA team name is).

Next thing we know, DCMan will claim he was being "sarcastic" when he claimed the Wiz should sign Coby Karl, who is already on the Lakers.

On another note, DCMan mentioned in a post on this blog entry that the win over New Orleans shows what the team can do when the young guys are given a chance be Eddie. Uh, what? The young guys played just as much as normal, and the guy that put this team on his back and won it for the team was DeShawn, not any of the young players.

Posted by: Roman | February 26, 2008 7:48 PM

Sign players we cant
Coby Karl would be nice
Abe Pollin is cheap

Posted by: Haiku | February 26, 2008 8:06 PM

Dear DC Man88,
Do you enjoy basketball? Do you enjoy sports? I have never posted on a blog, but I honestly read a few of your entries and thought "I must say something...this person is in dire need of a friend, a mother, a parole officer, a wall...someone to vent his frustrations to apart from this blog." What do you enjoy? This blog is not intended to express personal inadequacies in life through the medium of the Washington Wizards basketball team. I realize the pressures of adolescence can cause mistakes in judgement and confused attempts at verbal communication, but please Dcman88, this blog is for people who wish to discuss various aspects of Wizards basketball; for your own sake, try to harness and understand what really bothers you before submitting others to your misery. Give it a try. The truth hurts, but it is a neccessary pain.

Posted by: no rain | February 26, 2008 9:10 PM

"Dear DC Man88,
Do you enjoy basketball? Do you enjoy sports? I have never posted on a blog, but I honestly read a few of your entries and thought "I must say something...this person is in dire need of a friend, a mother, a parole officer, a wall...someone to vent his frustrations to apart from this blog." What do you enjoy? This blog is not intended to express personal inadequacies in life through the medium of the Washington Wizards basketball team. I realize the pressures of adolescence can cause mistakes in judgement and confused attempts at verbal communication, but please Dcman88, this blog is for people who wish to discuss various aspects of Wizards basketball; for your own sake, try to harness and understand what really bothers you before submitting others to your misery. Give it a try. The truth hurts, but it is a neccessary pain.

Posted by: no rain | February 26, 2008 09:10 PM "

Nahhhh, good try though.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 9:16 PM

"DC - I appears that you were clearly advocating the Wizards signing Sum Ming.

Why can't you just stand behind your very public statements?

Posted by: | February 26, 2008 07:45 PM "

LOL!

You can continue to yap on that point that you're desperately trying to make, but the truth is whether it's Sun Ming Ming, Yao Ming Ming, Yuengling, or Ding-a-ling, it doesn't change the fact that Dishonest Abe is too cheap to have EG bring in some people, work them out, and see if they can help this undermanned team that can't even field a 5-5 game with NBA players during practice.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 9:19 PM

"On another note, DCMan mentioned in a post on this blog entry that the win over New Orleans shows what the team can do when the young guys are given a chance be Eddie. Uh, what? The young guys played just as much as normal, and the guy that put this team on his back and won it for the team was DeShawn, not any of the young players.

Posted by: Roman | February 26, 2008 07:48 PM "

Great, and the NO game is the springboard to championship glory. Put your house on it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 9:20 PM

"So where was the sarcasm in the comments you made in October....

Posted by: Rook | February 26, 2008 07:44 PM "

Put a gimmick player like Sun Ming Ming in the game. Les BouleS have done it before with Manute Bol and Muggsy Bogues. Why not?!?!

If the fans can't see a real team play ball, they might as well watch the circus.

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 9:22 PM

Clewiston loves Gil
Socks, Parachutes and Laura
Max Money Gilbert

Posted by: Haiku | February 26, 2008 9:31 PM

doesn't change the fact that Dishonest Abe is too cheap to

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 09:19 PM

You mean it doesn't change the fact that you lied when you said "I did not say EG should sign Sun Ming Ming."

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 9:34 PM

"You mean it doesn't change the fact that you lied when you said "I did not say EG should sign Sun Ming Ming."

Posted by: | February 26, 2008 09:34 PM "

Hmmm, does it matter more if I lie or if Dishonest Abe is cheating the fans and the team? To you, it's the former. For you, that's too bad.

LMAO!

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On a larger scale, Jordan wants to win now. Like any coach who signed a two-year extension with a team option for the third year last summer, the continuity line gets old.

"But I understand Mr. Pollin's standpoint," Jordan said. "We want to stay within a certain budget for the Washington Wizards. We're not going to be like four or five or six other teams that can do anything it takes to win. Those are decisions we made within the organization. It doesn't bother me. There are times when you say, 'How come we can't get this guy?' But then you say, 'These are the parameters the organization has set.' "

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 26, 2008 9:57 PM

DC IDIOT STRIKES AGAIN!

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 2:59 AM

"DC IDIOT STRIKES AGAIN!

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 02:59 AM "


"On a larger scale, Jordan wants to win now. Like any coach who signed a two-year extension with a team option for the third year last summer, the continuity line gets old.

"But I understand Mr. Pollin's standpoint," Jordan said. "We want to stay within a certain budget for the Washington Wizards. We're not going to be like four or five or six other teams that can do anything it takes to win. Those are decisions we made within the organization. It doesn't bother me. There are times when you say, 'How come we can't get this guy?' But then you say, 'These are the parameters the organization has set.' "

Posted by: DC Man88 | February 27, 2008 9:23 AM

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