A Great Comeback + Ron Artest = Fun

LOS ANGELES - That may have been one of the more thrilling NBA Finals games that I've ever covered. Yes, it was awesome to be in Staples Center to see the Boston Celtics pull out the greatest comeback in NBA Finals' history, and take a 3-1 series lead with a 97-91 victory.

But you really want to know why this was a great experience? Well, how often do you get to watch a game with Ron Artest sitting next to you? Yes, I'm talking about that Ron Artest.


I'm a fan like the rest of y'all.(Photo by Jack Arent/NBAE/Getty Images)

I showed up at my seat late in the second quarter (David Stern's pre-game press conference had me writing for most of the first quarter) and Artest, wearing a New York Mets cap, was chatting it up with the New York Post's Hoop Du Jour Peter Vecsey, who was seated next to me. Artest was about to leave when I showed up, but I told him it was cool if he stuck around. Who wouldn't want to watch a game with Ron Ron?

I asked Artest if he had a place in Los Angeles or if he was just hanging out. He told me that he used to have a spot, but he was just in town to watch the games. Artest wasn't hiding his support of the Lakers. He has known fellow Queens native Lamar Odom since he was 12, and they were on the same AAU team. Artest also is a huge, huge Kobe Bryant fan. I've talked to Artest several times before, but I never realized what a cool, regular dude he was until last night. He shared a pretzel with Vecsey, shook hands with fans and signed autographs.

After Odom dominated in the first half, dazzling with his aggressive drives to the basket and his playing making ability, Artest said, "When we played together. . .that's the only Lamar I know." He shouted encouragement to Odom throughout the entire game, especially in the second half, when Odom reverted to his passive ways. "He's got to shoot the ball," Artest said.

As the Celtics slowly cut down the lead, Artest kept saying, "Uh oh. We've got a ballgame, folks."


In the words of Artest - This is unreal. (Photo by David Dow/NBAE via Getty Images)

One of the funniest moments of the game, came late in the fourth quarter, after Celtics reserve James Posey hit a three-pointer to bring Boston within 81-80. The Lakers worked the ball into Gasol and Artest shouted, "C'mon. You've got be strong. Be strong."

Gasol threw up a pretty weak shotput, that gave the Lakers a three-point lead. I said, "That wasn't what I would call strong, but it worked." Then, when Kevin Garnett drove toward the basket and knocked Gasol on his back, I said, "That really wasn't strong."

When the Celtics scored the next eight points to take an 88-83 lead, Artest said, "C'mon Kobe, show them what you're made of."

After Ray Allen drive past Sasha Vujacic and around Gasol for the game-clinching layup, Artest shook his head and got up out of his seat. "This is unreal," he said.

It really was. This series had 2-2 written all over it in the first half. The Staples Center was rocking, too (that's relative, though, since the crowd here and the one in Boston aren't even close. It's like comparing a cat's meow to a lion's roar).


It was all good for the Lakers at this moment. . .(Photo by Jack Arent/NBAE/Getty Images)

But Justin Timberlake got up and danced, Jada Pinkett-Smith and Will Smith made out on the Kiss Me cam over the Jumbotron. And of course, Jack Nicholson was as cool as ever. The stars were out, and the Lakers were putting on a show as they were up 45-21 in the first half on Thursday.

It was a surreal performance. Not just because Odom was the best player on the court through the first 24 minutes, or that players like Trevor Ariza, Vladimir Radmanovic and Jordan Farmar seemed to hit every shot they put up. The most startling aspect of the Lakers' first half dominance - and they're rather imposing 18-point halftime lead - was that the Lakers had built the lead without a single field goal by Kobe Bryant.

Bryant has a well-earned reputation as the game's best closer, but in the fourth quarter, it seemed as if the Lakers were hoping, wishing and praying for Bryant to save them. They somehow forgot that ball movement got them the lead. It was kind of hard to watch the Celtics just punk them out of the win.

Vecsey wanted me to mention this, but with less than six minutes left in the third quarter, the Lakers led 70-52 and Radmanovic rushed a three-pointer that missed badly. Eddie House made a three-pointer on the other end to cut the deficit to 15. Vescey said that Radmanovic shot was going to kill the Lakers if the Celtics eventually came back and won.

"I would've called a timeout," he said, "right after that shot and taken [Radmanovic] out of the game."

"Phil's got nine rings," Artest said. "I don't know if I'm going to question a guy with nine rings."

"I will," Vecsey said.

It was a fun night.

By Michael Lee |  June 13, 2008; 7:26 AM ET
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You showed up in the end of the second quarter? that is horrible. how do you know what Artest was yelling when Odom was on fire...you were at fatburger with your fries and shake

Posted by: JC, AV | June 13, 2008 7:42 AM

Well I said Lakers in 6, looks like I may have to eat my shorts. I stopped watching the game at halftime last night thinking LA had won with an 18 point lead. Ooops! I guess veteran leadership does count after all.

Posted by: rgz | June 13, 2008 7:44 AM

So, no questions to Ron Ron about who he wants to play for next season?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 8:21 AM

Ron Artest has a player option for the 2008-09 season, but he has to opt out. I think the deadline is June 30th, but I'm not sure.

He has already been quoted as saying he wants to stay in Sacramento, and will not opt out.

Posted by: Rook | June 13, 2008 8:34 AM

On the other hand, Ron Ron is even more enigmatic than Arenas.

On June 5th, Artest said "I'm not even thinking like I'm about to opt out or go somewhere else, I'm still here as a King."
His agent said "If he opts out, it's obvious we're looking at a midlevel exception deal. Ron fully understands that if he opts out, he runs the risk..."

The Mid Level Exception is approximately $6 million per season - whereas if he stays, he will make $7.4 Million; So, opting out would mean Artest taking a pay cut.


On June 10th, responding to reports that the Knicks might be interested in acquiring him. "Who wouldn't want to?" Artest said. "I'm not going to talk about that stuff till July 1. I don't play for the money, I play for the love."

Artest has been alternating between staying or opting out for the last year.

Posted by: Rook | June 13, 2008 8:50 AM

And why?

Why is it that every time you hear about an All-Star player talking about other teams, it's always the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, or Bulls.... Never the Wizards, Magic or Raptors..?!?!

It can't really be about a Championship (the Bulls suck, and the Knicks are even worse). It's gotta be the market size.

Posted by: Rook | June 13, 2008 8:54 AM

You totally missed a key part of this story, Michael:
Artest was hanging out with Peter Vescey???? Vescey's KILLED him over the years!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 9:09 AM

As James Posey played power forward for the Celtics in the 2nd half, somewhere in D.C. Eddie Jordan smiled dreamily, and thought about calling his old friend Jarvis just to say, "hi."

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 9:10 AM

"

On the other hand, Ron Ron is even more enigmatic than Arenas.

On June 5th, Artest said "I'm not even thinking like I'm about to opt out or go somewhere else, I'm still here as a King."
His agent said "If he opts out, it's obvious we're looking at a midlevel exception deal. Ron fully understands that if he opts out, he runs the risk..."

The Mid Level Exception is approximately $6 million per season - whereas if he stays, he will make $7.4 Million; So, opting out would mean Artest taking a pay cut.


On June 10th, responding to reports that the Knicks might be interested in acquiring him. "Who wouldn't want to?" Artest said. "I'm not going to talk about that stuff till July 1. I don't play for the money, I play for the love."

Artest has been alternating between staying or opting out for the last year.

Posted by: Rook | June 13, 2008 8:50 AM "

It's not just about base salary. It's about total income, which includes endorsements, etc.

Artest is likely to make more money in NY compared to Sacramento, by a longshot.

BTW, people should read today's Post article about the Clips making another run at Gilby.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 9:37 AM

It can't really be about a Championship (the Bulls suck, and the Knicks are even worse). It's gotta be the market size.

Posted by: Rook | June 13, 2008 8:54 AM
No respect I tell ya... We'll have to win a few championships more to gain some historical mystique, have ownership and management that make bold moves that fans like, a winning coach, and of course a few out of this world talented & skilled players.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 9:50 AM

BTW, people should read today's Post article about the Clips making another run at Gilby.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 9:37 AM

That would be good for the Clippers, but terrible for the Wizards. Who would we have as PG, and how many additional points will Elton Brand get us? It may not work for the Clippers either, assuming what we want is Brand. Wilbon's Warriors scenario won't work either, basically cause Baron Davis will earn more money than Arenas. He's more cerebral than Gilbert but essentially the same player.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 9:55 AM

It's time for a change in DC. The players they have now aren't capable of getting out of the 1st round.

The only reason to keep the current cast is if it can be guaranteed that no one will get injured, and that's impossible. That still leaves major holes with regard to D, a paint scoring, D at the 4, athleticism, etc.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 10:07 AM

Arenas is a better player than Brand, but if you make that deal, there is no need for Jamison. So, the Wizards would be starting over with Butler and Brand, and whoever the Wizards could get in a sign and trade for Jamison. And Jamison, of course, would exert some pressure to send him to a destination of his choosing, so the Wizards might not get their most favored deal.

The lesson, as always, is that Wilbon is a horrible GM. Stick to partying with porn stars, Wilbon.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 10:09 AM

Ron-Ron(and Kenny) to the Lakers for Walton, Turiaf, Radman & Mihm!

Posted by: WaveMaster | June 13, 2008 10:39 AM

Players like Gilby are much more common than players like Brand. Always go big over small.

How about a Gilby, AJ, and 18th pick for Brand, Kaman, and rights to Shaun Livingston?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 10:40 AM

Players like Gilby are much more common than players like Brand. Always go big over small.

How about a Gilby, AJ, and BTH for Brand, Kaman, rights to Shaun Livingston, and their lottery pick?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 10:41 AM

I am surprised there is not more talk of what a terrible coaching job Phil Jackson did last night. I know he has 9 rings and is a great coach, but last night playing 3rd stringers extensive minutes, allowing Kobe to be very passive the entire first half, playing guys in different rotations then any other game in the playoffs. If the Lakers had gone for the dagger in the 2nd quarter they would have been up by 30+ at the half and the game would have been over. Because I hate the Lakers I am glad it happened, but what a poor coaching job.

Posted by: DW | June 13, 2008 10:41 AM

"Players like Gilby are much more common than players like Brand."

In the 2005-06 and 2006-07 seasons, Gilbert averaged almost 29 points and 6 assists per game. Please list all the players in the last 20 years who have done that or better.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 10:47 AM


I guess Ron Artest getting on Gasol about his strength is something you'd have to be there for to find it funny.

And I have to agree with the first comment....showing up in the 2nd quarter? Lame.

Hope there's a good a excuse.

Posted by: TruthAboutIt.net | June 13, 2008 10:49 AM

Ron-Ron(and the Lakers) will beat Pierce and Allen's azz next year if that trade happens. Maybe Gasol and Odom's too if they don't stand up against the Celtics.

Posted by: WaveMaster | June 13, 2008 10:50 AM

"Wilbon's Warriors scenario won't work either, basically cause Baron Davis will earn more money than Arenas. He's more cerebral than Gilbert but essentially the same player."

Except older and more injury prone.

Posted by: kalorama | June 13, 2008 11:21 AM

I guess Ron Artest getting on Gasol about his strength is something you'd have to be there for to find it funny.

And I have to agree with the first comment....showing up in the 2nd quarter? Lame.

Hope there's a good a excuse.

Posted by: TruthAboutIt.net | June 13, 2008 10:49 AM

He gave you his excuse. He was writing about Stern's pre-game press conference. Good god, folks, give the guy a break. He was pulling double duty.

And DCMan, that trade isn't so good. You're giving up 29 points a game for a pretty good low post player (Brand), a Haywood clone, only sometimes less athletic (Kaman) and a dude who shattered his knee (Livingston). Not sure about that trade. It gives the Wizards a lot of size, but doesn't really solve their defensive problems or dramatically increase their scoring.

Posted by: Colin | June 13, 2008 11:25 AM

While I agree the Clipper trade is ridiculously unworkable, in the interests of accuracy it should be pointed out that Kaman is far from a "Haywood clone." He's just the kind of player the Wiz need in the low block offensively. He's got great footwork, solid post moves, can score around the basket with either hand and is a excellent rebounder. All of which is why the Clippers aren't trading him for anything the Wiz have to offer. And they sure as hell are trading both he and Brand.

Posted by: kalorama | June 13, 2008 11:31 AM

Re Wilbon -- No question we might not come any closer to a championship with Gilbert Arenas but I think we would be a lot further from the playoffs without him. And no, I would not trade him for Baron Davis and change. Davis is a fine, often electrifying player like Gilbert but he is older and consistently injury prone. I believe Gilbert can and will bounce back from the knee work.

Regardless of who the Wizards draft they are indeed as Wilbon says still one key, veteran piece away from really contending for the prize.

I would not only have liked to watch last nights game with Ron Artest, I would take him as our 2-guard in a New York minute... Lockdown defender with good size, great arm span and true fourth scoring option...

If I were EG and the Kings would take Blatche, Young, and #18 for Ron-Ron I would make that deal faster than the Lakers let their big lead dissipate. What a fun game to watch. The small ball line-up was absolutely brutal and Ray Allen showed what being a major league 2-guard is all about.

Posted by: khrabb | June 13, 2008 11:45 AM

I still think Artest would look good with the current cast that the Wizards have. Butler could slide to shooting gaurd and Artest would be the defensive stopper the Wiz need. Artest can guard anything from a center to a point, I saw him completly confound the Wizards one night taking a different guy over and over and shutting each one down. Including Arenas.

If he opts out Grunfeld could offer him the MLE. Yes this team would go over the LT to sign him and bring Arenas and Jamison back, but it would change the whole complextion of this team.

A Brand for Arenas deal might be unworkable, but the idea of such a deal wouldn't mean that Jamison had to go. In the East Brand could play a great amount of time at center.

A trade center peicing Arenas and Brand is one of the few trades that I see that might be really possible involving Gil that might make the Wiz a better team.

Posted by: GM | June 13, 2008 1:06 PM

Its been a long time since I've posted but - perhaps you guys have forgotten - The wizards beat the Celtics 3 times.. 2 in back to back..perhaps Phil(If he's concerned he wants his team to win)might consider applying some death defying "D" on the celtics cuz thats what helped the Wiz beat them. BTW you know the rejected
Tom Thiebodeau(Wiz ran off cuz of money) is the defensive coach for the Celtics.
Another Wizards member gone on to succeed.

Posted by: Pete | June 13, 2008 1:20 PM

""Players like Gilby are much more common than players like Brand."

In the 2005-06 and 2006-07 seasons, Gilbert averaged almost 29 points and 6 assists per game. Please list all the players in the last 20 years who have done that or better.

Posted by: | June 13, 2008 10:47 AM "

If all a player did on the court was bring the ball up and shoot, then that's a dream job any shooting guard would love to have.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 1:26 PM

He gave you his excuse. He was writing about Stern's pre-game press conference. Good god, folks, give the guy a break. He was pulling double duty.

And DCMan, that trade isn't so good. You're giving up 29 points a game for a pretty good low post player (Brand), a Haywood clone, only sometimes less athletic (Kaman) and a dude who shattered his knee (Livingston). Not sure about that trade. It gives the Wizards a lot of size, but doesn't really solve their defensive problems or dramatically increase their scoring.

Posted by: Colin | June 13, 2008 11:25 AM


You're right....my bad Michael Lee.

Thanks for the story.

Posted by: TruthAboutIt.net | June 13, 2008 1:27 PM

Nice list, DC Man.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 1:33 PM

Slurp.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 2:13 PM

The only stat that matters is playoff success, and your 29 pts and 6 assist dude has had very little of that. One dimensional shoot first guards are a dime a dozen in the NBA.

The only real chants of MVP that should come out of VC is when Ovenchkin is on the ice. PERIOD.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 2:19 PM

What is going on with the Wiz asst coaches. Will they stay or will they go?

Posted by: oddjob | June 13, 2008 2:38 PM

You guys are crazy Id take the brand for gil deal any day of the week keep twan have AD start at the point nd draft a young point guard that can learn and groom under AD cuz Wilbon is right we arent close to playing in june with or without Gil(I love myself more than i love myself) Arenas

Posted by: GC22 | June 13, 2008 2:54 PM

Hey this is completely random but I find it funny. Marko Jaric of the twolves just got engaged to Vicky Secrets supermodel Adriana Lima. Jaric is frikkin hideous!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 3:04 PM

"The only stat that matters is playoff success, and your 29 pts and 6 assist dude has had very little of that."

He's had more of it than Kamen, Brand, and Livingston, if that's the measuring stick you're using.

Posted by: kalorama | June 13, 2008 3:09 PM

GC, we've seen that when AD is running it, everything slows down to a half court game. And against a good defensive team it does not work very well. If that scenario happens, I sure hope the young PG will be just as fast if not faster than Gilbert for the uptempo game, and shoots almost as good if not as good. Finding someone like Chris Paul (faster than Gil, but not as good a shooter) will be tough.

Posted by: rgz | June 13, 2008 3:28 PM

"He's had more of it than Kamen, Brand, and Livingston, if that's the measuring stick you're using.

Posted by: kalorama | June 13, 2008 3:09 PM "

Once again, wrong, and not really.

Elton Brand (and Kamen on the team) took the LA Clips to the Conference Semifinals in 05-06 and lost to the Suns 4-3 in that series. Elton had huge numbers in that series.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/schedule?team=lac&year=2006&season=3

In contrast, the year that the Wiz went to the Conference Semifinals with Gilby and Hughes, the Wiz got swept by the Heat 0-4. Gilby had a modest showing in those two series.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/schedule?team=was&year=2005

BTW, being one and done 3 seasons in a row doesn't constitute "playoff success."

Kalorama corrected once again.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 3:31 PM

"Elton had huge numbers in that series."

"Gilby had a modest showing in those two series."

So? Aren't you the one who just said: "The only stat that matters is playoff success"? If that's the case, what difference does Arenas' "showing" make? Because, according to you, individual numbers don't matter Or were you blowing it out your ass when you typed that? (Rhetorical question.)

"BTW, being one and done 3 seasons in a row doesn't constitute "playoff success."

Neither does making it to the playoffs once in a decade-long career and losing in the second round.

DC Man talking crap out of his ass, once again.

Posted by: kalorama | June 13, 2008 3:45 PM

"BTW, being one and done 3 seasons in a row doesn't constitute "playoff success."

Last I checked, you've got to actually make it to the playoffs to have playoff success. Arenas has, 4 times (although he only played in three of those years). In nine years Brand has made it to the playoffs once and, like Arenas, has failed to get out of the second round. So clearly, his playoff success dwarfs Arenas'.

If you're going to measure playoff success by a player's "showing" in the postseason, then I guess Tracy McGrady, who has the 4th highest postseason scoring average in NBA history, is the 4th most successful player ever in the playoffs. Of course, the fact that he's never gotten out of the first round in 11 seasons is beside the point, right?

Posted by: kalorama | June 13, 2008 3:58 PM

Kalorama gets mad while being corrected.

I would say going 3-4 against the Suns in the semifinals more successful than being swept by the Heat in the semifinals 0-4...eh?

Next thing you know, Kalorama is going to revive that strange point that he's trying to push forward about the Grizzlies getting "exactly what they wanted" out of the Gasol trade.

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 4:02 PM

We interrupt this ridiculousness for a tribute to the Wizards' most consistent, famous fan, Tim Russert, who died today.

Whenever I attended a game, I always looked for him, and he almost always was there. Wizards' home games won't be the same without him.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 4:05 PM

When much of the league was determined to make a serious bid for the 7-footer, how could Memphis settle so long before the February trade deadline for such a paltry offer out of the Lakers? For the first time, even Heisley wondered whether his general manager, Chris Wallace, blew it by caving so soon to the Lakers. "I don't know if I got the most value," Heisley confessed. "Maybe our people should've shopped (Gasol) more and maybe we would've gotten more, done a better deal. Maybe Chris did call every team in the league. I don't think he did, but maybe he should've..." Yahoo! Sports

Several sources close to the process insist West played no part, and Heisley swears, "Jerry didn't know about the trade until after it was done." Still, it hasn't stopped a rampant anger around the league that this wasn't so much of a trade, as much as it was the word that Bryant himself used: a "donation." Privately, the Lakers were thrilled that they were able to keep negotiations with the Grizzlies quiet because Los Angeles officials were blown away that they could get Gasol for so little. Yahoo! Sports

One source with knowledge of the process said the Bulls had made the most credible offer. For Gasol and Memphis' Hakim Warrick, the Bulls were willing to part with Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Thabo Sefolosha, possibly Adrian Griffin and draft picks. Heisley didn't offer up those names, but insisted, "Chicago wouldn't offer us any of their good, core players," he said. "Our people told me that we weren't able to get equal trade value for Gasol and that we needed to do a deal that would give us cap space and draft picks. It was no secret in the league that we were considering offers for him, but the Lakers were the one team that stepped up." Yahoo! Sports

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 4:06 PM

The only stat that matters is playoff success, and your 29 pts and 6 assist dude has had very little of that. One dimensional shoot first guards are a dime a dozen in the NBA.

The only real chants of MVP that should come out of VC is when Ovenchkin is on the ice. PERIOD.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 2:19 PM

OK - so, name one!

Name another "dime-a-dozen" shoot first guard that averaged 29 points and 6 assists.

Posted by: Rook | June 13, 2008 4:26 PM

DC Man88 - what you probably meant to say, is that 20 points per game Shooting Guards are a dime-a-dozen.... Guys that Shoot first and have less than 2 assists per game.... Yeah, then I'd agree that they're a dime-a-dozen...

But again - name a 29 ppg 6 apg guard in the league....

I'll even let you go back 15 years....

Find ONE

Posted by: Rook | June 13, 2008 4:28 PM

Iverson is one. I'm guessing MJ is another. (Kobe is not.) Not sure if there are any others.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 4:43 PM

RIP Russert a BIG time Wizard fan.

Posted by: pg posse | June 13, 2008 5:06 PM

I already knew DCMan had an irrational hatred of Arenas. Apparently he hates Jamison too, because he wants to trade him to the Clips, which is the basketball equivalent of being detained at Guantanamo Bay. That trade ain't gonna happen anyway, because the numbers would never work. Kaman only makes $8 million per, and Livingston makes $5.8 mil, so Jamison would have to be willing to take a $4 million pay cut. It also would be an incredibly lopsided trade in favor of the Clippers, since they'd be getting a 30 ppg scorer and a 20 and 10 PF, in exchange for a PF with equivalent numbers plus a journeyman center and a mediocre combo guard who is trying to come back from one of the worst knee injuries ever. I don't think even the Grizzlies owner would make a deal like that.

Posted by: John Brisker | June 13, 2008 6:07 PM

Iverson is one. I'm guessing MJ is another. (Kobe is not.) Not sure if there are any others.

Posted by: | June 13, 2008 4:43 PM

Yeah, I know. Allen Iverson has done it several times.

Tracy McGrady almost did it in 2003-04 when he averaged 28.0 and 5.5

Kobe did it in 2002-2003 when he averaged 30.0 ppg and 5.9 apg

Michael Jordan did it 4 times in his career. Most recently in 1991-92 when he averaged 30.1 ppg and 6.1 apg

Posted by: Rook | June 13, 2008 6:53 PM

"Tracy McGrady almost did it in 2003-04 when he averaged 28.0 and 5.5

Kobe did it in 2002-2003 when he averaged 30.0 ppg and 5.9 apg

Michael Jordan did it 4 times in his career. Most recently in 1991-92 when he averaged 30.1 ppg and 6.1 apg

Posted by: Rook | June 13, 2008 6:53 PM "

I guess you answered your own question.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 6:58 PM

"I already knew DCMan had an irrational hatred of Arenas. Apparently he hates Jamison too, because he wants to trade him to the Clips, which is the basketball equivalent of being detained at Guantanamo Bay. That trade ain't gonna happen anyway, because the numbers would never work. Kaman only makes $8 million per, and Livingston makes $5.8 mil, so Jamison would have to be willing to take a $4 million pay cut. It also would be an incredibly lopsided trade in favor of the Clippers, since they'd be getting a 30 ppg scorer and a 20 and 10 PF, in exchange for a PF with equivalent numbers plus a journeyman center and a mediocre combo guard who is trying to come back from one of the worst knee injuries ever. I don't think even the Grizzlies owner would make a deal like that.

Posted by: John Brisker | June 13, 2008 6:07 PM "

Irrational? I guess you've been eating too much brisket and hibernated for the past 4 years that Gilby has been there.

BTW, if you're saying the LA Clips is like Gitmo, then make it Gitmo West, as the Wiz is akin to Gitmo East.

Read also that I said the trade would require the LA Clips's lottery pick.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 7:01 PM

I guess you answered your own question.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 6:58 PM

Yeah - but the point is, look at the company Arenas is in. You don't just trade away an asset like that for spare parts, and broken bodies.

Posted by: Rook | June 13, 2008 7:44 PM

Read also that I said the trade would require the LA Clips's lottery pick.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 7:01 PM

And therefore, the Clippers would NEVER go for it.

Arenas is worth more to the Wizards than to the Clippers.

Besides, after the trade, the Wizards would have Three (3) Starting Centers (Haywood, Kaman, and Etan Thomas - unless you count Brand as a Center, then they'd have 4), and Two (2) Starting Power Forwards (Brand and Jamison)..., and ONE , count em ONE - 33 year old Point Guard.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 7:47 PM

"Arenas is worth more to the Wizards than to the Clippers.

Besides, after the trade, the Wizards would have Three (3) Starting Centers (Haywood, Kaman, and Etan Thomas - unless you count Brand as a Center, then they'd have 4), and Two (2) Starting Power Forwards (Brand and Jamison)..., and ONE , count em ONE - 33 year old Point Guard.

Posted by: | June 13, 2008 7:47 PM "

You really don't read do you?

I said to package BTH since we would be getting Kamen, and to send AJ since we would be getting Brand. Also, I proposed getting the rights for Livingston, who would also be the poing guard, assuming he's healed up.

Clips need "starpower" to match with the Lakers, so who better than a quirky diva who's younger than Kobe, and grew up in the LA area?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 8:45 PM

"Yeah - but the point is, look at the company Arenas is in. You don't just trade away an asset like that for spare parts, and broken bodies.

Posted by: Rook | June 13, 2008 7:44 PM "

Yeah, but the point is that you have to give something up to get something. And, Brand would be worth it and would allow NY to step up his scoring ability.

BTW, Gilby has a broken body too, and wants max money for it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 8:47 PM

"I would say going 3-4 against the Suns in the semifinals more successful than being swept by the Heat in the semifinals 0-4...eh?"

They both lost in the second round. So they both, by definition, failed to advance past the second round. So if they both failed, how was Brand more successful?

I would say getting to the playoffs 4 years in a row is more successful than going once in nine years ... eh?

Posted by: kalorama | June 13, 2008 9:05 PM

"Kalorama gets mad while being corrected."

DC Man deludes himself into thinking anything he says carries enough weight or significance to upset anyone.

Posted by: kalorama | June 13, 2008 9:10 PM

"DC Man deludes himself into thinking anything he says carries enough weight or significance to upset anyone.

Posted by: kalorama | June 13, 2008 9:10 PM "

Sure as heck got you to respond quickly, with profanities too!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 10:07 PM

"They both lost in the second round. So they both, by definition, failed to advance past the second round. So if they both failed, how was Brand more successful?

I would say getting to the playoffs 4 years in a row is more successful than going once in nine years ... eh?

Posted by: kalorama | June 13, 2008 9:05 PM "

Uhhh, easily. Brand's team actually won a game in the 2nd round...3 to be exact, which is 3 more than Gilby.

Getting into the playoffs in the east isn't all it's cracked up to be, especially when teams with losing records get in, like Philly and Atlanta this past season.

BTW, Gilby had almost zero contribution to the Wiz getting in this past season.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 10:11 PM

Livingston, who would also be the poing guard, assuming he's healed up.

Clips need "starpower" to match with the Lakers, so who better than a quirky diva who's younger than Kobe, and grew up in the LA area?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 13, 2008 8:45 PM

So - then the Starting PG would be Livingston? Who is coming back from a devestating major knee injury that required reconstructive surgury.! And your back up PG is 33 years old.

So the Wizards give up their Starting Center, their Starting 3-time All-Star Point Guard, and their Starting All-Star Power Forward

FOR

Chris Kaman, Elton Brand, and
Shaun Livingston.

hmmm.... Wonder why the Clippers haven't already made that deal!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 11:15 PM

Slurp. Gulp. Oooh, Gilbee!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 14, 2008 12:54 AM

"hmmm.... Wonder why the Clippers haven't already made that deal!

Posted by: | June 13, 2008 11:15 PM "

You forgot. As I said, add their lottery pick also.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 14, 2008 11:14 AM

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