Taking a step back

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So we now know what the Wizards did last night: selecting 7-foot, 237-pound C JaVale McGee of Nevada with the 18th pick and trading the 47th pick (Bill Walker of K-State) to Boston for cash, let's break it down a little further.

-First, I'm a little stunned at some of the reaction of fans on the blog but I appreciate the passion. Remember, your beat writer is a sports fan himself and I've had many of the same reactions to moves made by my teams over the years.
When the Twins swapped Johan Santana to the Mets for guys I've never heard of last summer and let Tori Hunter walk to the Angels, I cussed, screamed and all but threatened to blow up my Kirby Puckett bobblehead.
Now, a few months later, the Twins have used the extra cash to lock up to young superstars in Justin Morneau and Joe Mauer, one of the guys they got for Santana (Carlos Gomez) is quickly becoming a nice CF and one of my favorite players and the Twins are a young, fun-to-watch, fundamentally-sound team that is rolling on a nine-game winning streak that has it one game out in the AL Central.
Suddenly, the front office isn't so dumb, the owner (Carl Pohlad) isn't so cheap and my Kirby Puckett bobblehead is once again sitting on top of the television safe and sound (Well, as long as my cat, Sprewell, doesn't attack it as she is prone to do.)
My point is that instant reaction is sometimes a little knee-jerk. Let's see how JaVale McGee develops and see what else the Wiz do this summer before calling last night a bust.

-I made some calls this morning to clarify a few things. First, the Wiz never intended to keep that second round pick. This team already had four guys under the age of 21 in Andray Blatche, Nick Young, Dominic McGuire and Oleksiy Pecherov and then added another pup last night in McGee.
Trust me folks, I covered this team on a daily basis home and away last season and there is little room for yet another super young player. It's practically Romper Room already. Besides, Bill Walker wasn't making this team anyway. As Ernie Grunfeld said: "We don't have the roster room."
Folks I spoke to say that the 14th and or 15th spot will likely go to veteran or at least an experienced player (or two if they keep 15). Also, the Wiz haven't given up on the idea of retaining Roger Mason Jr.

- Of course, what happens at the back end of the roster will depend on how much it will cost to keep Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison and where the salary cap numbers come in. Typically, the cap rises about $2 or $3 million each year and the luxiury tax threshold rises at a similar rate. The Wiz will have the mid-level but whether they are able to use the entire thing will depend on where Gilbert and Antawn's numbers come in at.

-The "cash considerations" the team received for Walker will not impact the salary cap or luxury tax threshold either way. Basically, the Wiz could have drafted the kid, brought him to summer league and camp and then cut him and they would have gotten nothing. This way, they at least got something. Also, Walker has had two serious knee injuries in the past and he now has a torn meniscus so he's a big question mark.

-Word is that Ernie was using the 18th pick and the conditional first-round pick he has coming to him from Memphis from the Juan Carlos Navarro deal to move up in the first round last night but he couldn't find anyone to dance.

-The Wiz did speak with Houston about swapping picks but Luther Head's name never came up, according to my sources. That never made sense to me anyway. If the Wiz want to cut into Nick Young's PT by adding a vet player, why not sign Roger Mason Jr? He's a better player than Head.

-What would the Wiz had done had Roy Hibbert (who went 17th to Indiana through Toronto) and McGee been sitting there at 18? I can't answer for certain but if you closely examine Ernie's answers to questions about McGee, you'd have to conclude that the team would have taken McGee.
Specifically, I asked Ernie: "What is it about McGee that stands out to you?" Ernie's answer was about his athleticism, mobility, quickness, length, hands, ability to run the floor and his shot-blocking skill.
When it comes to Hibbert, nobody has raved about his athleticism, mobility and quickness. Only time will tell who is the better pro and I wouldn't be surprised if Hibbert is better as a rookie but let's wait two or three years and see. At no point in the process leading up to the draft did I get the impression that the Wiz were overly into Hibbert.

-Ernie did say that the team had McGee ranked higher than 18 on its board. Now, that's not a mock draft, it just means that when the team's scouts and front office folks listed the top 18 players 1-18, McGee was higher than 18.

-The team is in the process of picking up undrafted guys for the summer league squad. Right now, the summer leaguers will be big, talented and versatile. Look at his lineup:
PG: ?
SG: Nick Young, 6-7
SF: Dominic McGuire, 6-9
PF: Andray Blatche (6-11) or Oleksiy Pecherov (7-0)
C: Pesh (7-0), Blatche (6-11) or JaVale McGee (7-0)

Dang. That's a lot of size and athleticism. And remember: The Wiz open SL on July 14 and play the 16th, 18th, 19th and 20th. I'll be there for the last three days. If you've never done it and love hoops (and love Vegas) bite the bullet and come to summer league. It's a basketball lover's dream because it's cheap and you get so close to the action. And my offer to have cold ones with you blog readers stands.

- Ernie said he'd like to add more a veteran type PG for the SL squad but added that it can be difficult to do that because vets don't like playing in SL. Last year's PG, Aaron Miles is a possibility. Remember, Miles signed overseas last summer for good money when he realized that the Wiz probably weren't going to keep more than 13.


More as fresh info comes in.

By Ivan Carter |  June 27, 2008; 12:03 PM ET
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Thanks for the update Ivan

Posted by: Don | June 27, 2008 1:09 PM

Ivan, you made my day with this funny quote:

"-Word is that Ernie was using the 18th pick and the conditional first-round pick he has coming to him from Memphis from the Juan Carlos Navarro deal to move up in the first round last night but he couldn't find anyone to dance."

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 1:11 PM

Good post. Thanks.

Posted by: Truthsayer | June 27, 2008 1:13 PM

JaBust may turn out to be JaVale after all, but the point that most people are making is that nothing done last night seems to have improved the team for next season.

It might be a few more seasons of one and done before this dude starts producing, if at all.

If the Wiz want to get better next season, EG will have to work his magic during free agency, and I don't mean status quo like moves such as resigning Gilby and AJ and then calling it a summer.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 1:14 PM

Nice piece....

You're right, everyone should step back and breathe.

But still, seems like the Mgt. could have done something else with the 2nd rounder to provide for possible potential in the future.

Posted by: TruthAboutIt.net | June 27, 2008 1:15 PM

They got cash for the pick that could be used to offset salary or luxury tax payments if the use the MLE on a FA. That qualifies as "provid(ing) for possible potential in the future."

Posted by: kalorama | June 27, 2008 1:17 PM

...and my Kirby Puckett bobblehead is once again sitting on top of the television safe and sound (Well, as long as my cat, Sprewell, doesn't attack it as she is prone to do.)
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Ivan, go easy on your cat, she's got a family to feed!!!

Posted by: CN | June 27, 2008 1:19 PM

The cash we got from the draft rights of Bill Walker better be spend on one of these free-agents.
PG.Carlos Arroyo
SG/PG.Flip Murray
SG.Tony Allen
PG/SG.Royal Ivey
PG.Sebastian Telfair
SG/PG.Juan Dixon
SG/PG.Eddie House
SG/PG.Keyon Dooling
PG/SG.Jannero Pargo

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:21 PM

I have been a Wizard/Bullet fan all of my life. I understand the fans reaction to this pick. Look at our picks in the last 25 years. We rarely get it right. Since 1983 we have hit with Jeff Malone,Tom Gugliotta, Juwan Howard, Rasheed Wallace and Richard Hamilton. We missed with the likes of John Williams, Tom Hammonds, LaBradford Smith,Jared Jeffries, etc.
Maybe Nick Young will be a hit, but Pecherov will be added the the miss list.
This team was made from free agents and trades. I believe in Ernie when it comes to trades, but his ability to draft makes me wonder.

Posted by: Indy Wizard Fan | June 27, 2008 1:25 PM

The cash we got from the draft rights of Bill Walker better be spend on one of these free-agents.
PG.Carlos Arroyo
SG/PG.Flip Murray
SG.Tony Allen
PG/SG.Royal Ivey
PG.Sebastian Telfair
SG/PG.Juan Dixon
SG/PG.Eddie House
SG/PG.Keyon Dooling
PG/SG.Jannero Pargo

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 1:21 PM
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Don't forget Shaun Livingston, he's a true PG. And true he hasn't played since Feb 2007, but as long as the contract's not crazy...

Posted by: CN | June 27, 2008 1:25 PM

it would've been nice if they could've traded that second round pick for a future second rounder. i'm guessing the cash was the best they could get for the 47th pick.

i'm not down on us drafting mcgee. he was one of the 2 best centers still left on the board when the wizards picked. and if he takes a couple years to develop, that's exactly when both haywood's and thomas contracts are up. they'll be 30 and 32, respectively.

Posted by: JC | June 27, 2008 1:25 PM

Wow, Ivan expressing surprise that anyone would question Ernie Grunfeld. Shocker.

From Ivan's post, regarding summer league squad:
"PF: Andray Blatche (6-11) or Oleksiy Pecherov (7-0)
C: Pesh (7-0), Blatche (6-11) or JaVale McGee (7-0)"

That's one of the problems -- this isn't young talent at different positions. All the young talent is competing against each other for the same minutes, which can be both good and bad, and all bring the same things to the table, which is just bad.

From Draftexpress about McGee:
"Looks very disinterested at times, doesn't hustle, gives up on plays, late getting back down the floor, and might be the worst man to man defender we've ever evaluated in the post. Gets pushed around, GAMBLES EXCESSIVELY FOR STEALS, has no stance or fundamentals, doesn't move his feet." (emphasis added)

So at least McGee already knows how to play the kind of defense Eddie Jordan likes!

So let's not buy into the notion that the Wizards want to improve defensively anymore, because when it is time to choose players, they grab horrible defenders.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:26 PM

"Besides, Bill Walker wasn't making this team anyway. As Ernie Grunfeld said: "We don't have the roster room.""

How can you be so sure, Ivan? Why couldn't Bill Walker come into camp and beat out Pech or McGuire? Sure, the Wizards might not want to give up on Pech, a first rounder, but why not let McGuire and Walker fight it out for a roster spot? Fighting for a roster spot seemed to do Roger Mason good last season.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:28 PM

Aaron Miles. That is the name I could not think of this morning. This dude has all of the tools to be a quality backup point guard in the league. Man, I hope he signs with the Wiz to play in the summer league games.

Ivan, what is the deal with the Wiz not showing the "1" spot any love? Who do they have in mind of bring in for the backup spot?

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | June 27, 2008 1:29 PM

Anything other than a non-guaranteed 1-year minimum deal would be a waste on Livingston until he proves he's really ready. Remember, it's not like he was an established presence before he got hurt. He was still very much a work in progress before the injury. So it's not just about his physical health, but also how far the injury and time off set back his development, which still hadn't been completed. Even if the knee is 100% (which is doubtful, given the extent of damage) it's a long shot that he'd be able to contribute significantly right away.

Posted by: kalorama | June 27, 2008 1:30 PM

So Ivan can you tell us what the cash is for than since it is not going to effect our salary cap or luxury tax threshold?

Posted by: ChrisDaMan1 | June 27, 2008 1:30 PM

I understand all the negativity toward Pesh, he missed a chunk of the season, and when he was in games, he had a police-monitored GPS that prevented him from going inside the 3 point line, unless he was only there to have his face re-arranged (literally, as we saw w/ the Chi-town broadcasters).

However, he was hurt, so I'm willing to give him a chance, given that he averaged about 14 & 7 last yr during SL. I know that means jack, but if he gains some confidence during SL and practices, and even the NBADL, you never know how things will turn out. His head was on a swivel last year, so maybe a little competition will light his fire...

Posted by: CN | June 27, 2008 1:31 PM

thing is - whoever they took at 18 would have been just as open to criticism as macgee - just as much an unknown or project. not much was going to happen in the draft to improve the team with the 18th and 47th picks.

Posted by: random dude | June 27, 2008 1:32 PM

"Who do they have in mind of bring in for the backup spot?"

They already have the backup PG spot filled, by Antonio Daniels. I doubt third string PG is a huge priority at this point.

Posted by: kalorama | June 27, 2008 1:32 PM

"Trust me folks, I covered this team on a daily basis home and away last season and there is little room for yet another super young player. It's practically Romper Room already."

Three responses to that:

- At the beginning of last season, the league average age per team was 26.91 years old. The Wizards average was 26.61 years old, pretty much average.

- If the Wizards didn't want more young players, why not pick an older player with the 18th pick instead of McGee, who is 20 years old?

- Why not trade the 2nd round pick for a future pick instead of going for cash?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:34 PM

The Wiz are in a tough situation, good enough to make the playoffs, but not mediocre enough to get a Top 10 pick that might impact the roster. We're also saddled with large contracts that don't expire until 2010 for Thomas, Songaila, and Daniels who are all on the downside of their careers. They don't have trade value until next year as expiring contracts and only AD has been a major contributor the last 2-3 years.

I don't see this year being much different than the last three unless the Big 3 are kept together and are healthy. The young players like NY, Blatche, and McGuire may improve, but there isn't too much upside to the rest of the team. Let's hope EG didn't waste a pick on McGee who deserves at least a couple of years of evaluation.

If Jamison and/or Arenas leaves, look at this team to go into major rebuilding mode.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 27, 2008 1:36 PM

"Anything other than a non-guaranteed 1-year minimum deal would be a waste on Livingston until he proves he's really ready."

Posted by: kalorama | June 27, 2008 1:30 PM

Why is a two year contract for McGee not a waste, but anything more than a one year contract for Livingston, a former #4 pick, too risky? Both are rolls of the dice -- one on talent being healthy, the other on talent developing.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:37 PM

"Trust me folks, I covered this team on a daily basis home and away last season and there is little room for yet another super young player. It's practically Romper Room already."

Three responses to that:

- At the beginning of last season, the league average age per team was 26.91 years old. The Wizards average was 26.61 years old, pretty much average.

- If the Wizards didn't want more young players, why not pick an older player with the 18th pick instead of McGee, who is 20 years old?

- Why not trade the 2nd round pick for a future pick instead of going for cash?

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 1:34 PM
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1) We're not going to draft a 22 year old for the sake of increasing our average age. Anywho, an additional 2 years (from 20 y/o to 22) among 15 players is only going to raise the avg age a fraction...

2) There probably weren't any takers willing to give a future 2nd rounder to us. Noone wanted to go dancing with EG with Abe Pollin chaperoning the gig...

Posted by: CN | June 27, 2008 1:38 PM

Taking a step back, good advice from Ivan. I highly doubt any player would be a significant contributor next year at the #18 spot, so getting a guy with big upside was a good idea.

If he is a Blatche "clone," that could be a good thing. We all know Blatche has talent, and we also know he's struggled to live up to it. Now that there's two "Blatches", maybe one of them will actually pan out.

Posted by: psps23 | June 27, 2008 1:39 PM

"If Jamison and/or Arenas leaves, look at this team to go into major rebuilding mode.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 27, 2008 1:36 PM "

If AJ stays and Gilby leaves, they'll be the team they were last season...a playoff team even when missing the services of a 12 mil/year player.

That's not rebuilding.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 1:48 PM

Quick note: Listen to the man with regards to Summer League in Vegas.

It's a basketball nerd's dream, getting to see the action so close and see guys you never knew actually existed outside of mock drafts or haven't seen for 10+ years. Plus there are players and coaches (and even reporters) everywhere if you want pictures/autographs.

$20 per day for up to seven games in two arenas connected by a walkway. It's amazing.

Posted by: Arlington | June 27, 2008 1:48 PM

Thanks Ivan, I have actually begun to like the pick. We just all love our team that's all. We would all want EG's job sometimes.

Posted by: Soup's Uncle | June 27, 2008 1:48 PM

"Why is a two year contract for McGee not a waste, but anything more than a one year contract for Livingston, a former #4 pick, too risky? Both are rolls of the dice -- one on talent being healthy, the other on talent developing."

Because the severity of Livingston's injury and the uncertain odds of full recovery (see Jay Williams) makes him a bigger risk, esp. considering that at the time he was hurt he was still something of a project.

Posted by: kalorama | June 27, 2008 1:49 PM

He'd better watch it! Never get into the showers while I'm on the prowl. I might just have to use that colon shank!

Posted by: Prison Balls | June 27, 2008 1:49 PM

Thanks Ivan. Very detailed, interesting coverage.

Posted by: Nancy | June 27, 2008 1:50 PM

"thing is - whoever they took at 18 would have been just as open to criticism as macgee - just as much an unknown or project. not much was going to happen in the draft to improve the team with the 18th and 47th picks.

Posted by: random dude | June 27, 2008 1:32 PM "

Ummm, Darrell Arthur was there, a national champion, and a projected top 15 pick who's ready to contribute much more now, compared to JaVale.

Also, as Arthur stated, the Wiz checked his blood and it was fine.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 1:52 PM


The protected first round pick from the Navarro will never come to fruition because the Grizzlies STINK and will STINK through the first round pick protection that was put in there. So the "best" the Wizards get is a second round pick in 2011. Three more freakin years til that pick is recouped.

Posted by: Baller4Life | June 27, 2008 1:58 PM

I didn't know who McGee was when we picked him, but after reading the posting and links I'm happy we reeled him in with the 18th pick. The 2nd rounder means nothing since we supposedly got the steal of the round with last years pick of Mcguire. If he is working hard to be productive and develop a 15 foot jumper then maybe he can go from 10 to 18 minutes a game while giving us 8 points and 5 rebounds/game.

I wish we could have traded the 2nd pick and the Memphis pick to get Douglas-Roberts who was a true steal at #40. At least we still have room for a quick point guard who can defend.

Our success depends on everybody contributing, ala Boston, so I'm more concerned with our Goals and work ethic coming into the season. We need to battle and win against Boston, NJ, Cleveland, Detroit, Orlando, Chicago, etc., and take one of the top four spots to land home court advantage in the playoffs.

Posted by: Derek | June 27, 2008 1:58 PM

"Ummm, Darrell Arthur was there, a national champion, and a projected top 15 pick who's ready to contribute much more now, compared to JaVale.

Also, as Arthur stated, the Wiz checked his blood and it was fine."

So DCMan88 has just volunteered to be Darrell Arthur's kidney donor. Hey you've got two.

Posted by: Sean Elliott | June 27, 2008 1:58 PM

From Draftexpress about McGee:
"Looks very disinterested at times, doesn't hustle, gives up on plays, late getting back down the floor, and might be the worst man to man defender we've ever evaluated in the post. Gets pushed around, GAMBLES EXCESSIVELY FOR STEALS, has no stance or fundamentals, doesn't move his feet." (emphasis added)

So at least McGee already knows how to play the kind of defense Eddie Jordan likes!

So let's not buy into the notion that the Wizards want to improve defensively anymore, because when it is time to choose players, they grab horrible defenders.

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 1:26 PM

If you can read and paste that post from DraftExpress, then you can also read this, also from the same site, about 2 months later:

"After struggling mightily with his on the ball defense during the collegiate season, McGee appears to be making strides as a man to man defender. While the players that he was pegged against were not anywhere near the caliber of the draftees he's going to be matched against in the upcoming weeks, he did a very nice job of eliminating any separation that opposing offensive players have created. The added explosiveness that JaVale has added has enhanced his closing speed on the defensive end, as if his shot blocking ability weren't already enough. McGee has already established himself as one of the elite help-side defenders in the draft and seems to be making the right steps to becoming a more complete defender."

Wow! That wasn't so hard to actually do right? Read the whole thing and comprehend it? And you question McGee's attempt at defense??!! ROFL

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:59 PM

"The protected first round pick from the Navarro will never come to fruition because the Grizzlies STINK and will STINK through the first round pick protection that was put in there. So the "best" the Wizards get is a second round pick in 2011."

Agreed. Which is why any suggestion of getting them to part with Lowry (or any other usable player) by letting them keep the pick is wishful thinking.

Posted by: kalorama | June 27, 2008 2:04 PM

"So DCMan88 has just volunteered to be Darrell Arthur's kidney donor. Hey you've got two.

Posted by: Sean Elliott | June 27, 2008 1:58 PM "

Sorry, but neither I, you, or anyone else on this g#d forsaken blog has any vested interest in Les BouleS....

I'll be keeping my kidneys, thank you very much.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 2:05 PM

Unless Mayo is the stud that people seem to think. Maybe he gives them the "surprise" team in another year or two.

Posted by: psps23 | June 27, 2008 2:06 PM

i hate mediocrity

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 2:06 PM

sign eddie house, or flip murray, or jannero pargo.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 2:09 PM

"Unless Mayo is the stud that people seem to think. Maybe he gives them the "surprise" team in another year or two."

It'll take more than Mayo to lift the Grizz out of mediocrity in the next three years, esp. in the West. The Grizzlies have a very young, very raw team that's going to take several years to develop.

"sign eddie house, or flip murray, or jannero pargo"

Why, why, why?

Posted by: kalorama | June 27, 2008 2:11 PM

Hey Ivan,

I have been thinking about our exciting SL roster too, but you forgot the other big man...PF Vladamir Vermeenko

Posted by: Robert | June 27, 2008 2:47 PM

"thing is - whoever they took at 18 would have been just as open to criticism as macgee - just as much an unknown or project. not much was going to happen in the draft to improve the team with the 18th and 47th picks.

Posted by: random dude | June 27, 2008 1:32 PM "

Ummm, Darrell Arthur was there, a national champion, and a projected top 15 pick who's ready to contribute much more now, compared to JaVale.

Also, as Arthur stated, the Wiz checked his blood and it was fine.

You are talking about our doctors right...our crack medical team told him he was fine...he'd better get a second opinion.

Posted by: Soup's Uncle | June 27, 2008 2:48 PM

Wow and wow.

The first wow is how down on this team our FANS are. Here is a different take. We have not had the big three healthy in the playoffs in two years. Wait until they are healthy AND lose in the first round before we jump on the "our team is always first round and out" bandwagon.

Assuming we re-sign GA and AJ, we have a tremendously talented lead guard and small forward. A center who came into his own (finally) last season---a center who, while not great, is certainly above average. And a power forward who certainly has flaws but is a multiple time all-star still in his prime. Not many teams in the NBA boast two legit superstars (yes, I include Caron in that grouping) and a third player as good as AJ. Add to that some young guys with tremendous potential in NY and AB (yes, I still say AB---compare his stats to Jermaine O'Neal's in their first several years) and some other role players who played very well last year in DS and AD (who is an EXCELLENT backup PG), and we have a team I'd LOVE to see healthy in the playoffs. Healthy being the keyword. If anyone deserves to be unloaded on it is the team's medical staff--"doctors" who repeatedly allow guys back on the court before they are fully healed (Gil, Caron and Jarvis Hayes, just to name a few recently).

As for the draft, I am not so optimistic. I cannot find (other than Wilbon's column) a report of JaVale being anything other than soft. Most also say he is atrocious defensively and is often uninvolved and seems disinterested. Give me a banger with a motor above an athlete who is soft and doesn't particularly care...

Posted by: Psdfx | June 27, 2008 2:49 PM

Yes Mcghee might be alright in 3-5 years but that is exactly why I am so angry we took him. We need help NOW. In 3-5 years jamison's career will be just about over. Hopefully EG and EJ are gone and caron will be getting old. Its a horrible pick once again. No way anyone who knows college/NBA/or wizards ball can possibly be excited about this pick unless you are clinically insane or you are just a homer who is fine with all the moves they make. I personally want the team to get better and this does nothing for them. Tired of being stuck in mediocrity. EG better step up and do something in FA.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 2:51 PM

There was nobody available at 18 who could help the Wiz now.

Darrell Arthur? Really? Who is he taking minutes from? Minutes for our forwards are pretty well covered between Jaminson, Butler, Blatche, and Songaila. Whoever we took was going to ride the pine this year.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 2:55 PM

I would love to bring any or a couple of these guys ronny turiaf, Desanga Diop, Eddie House and James Posey. There are many more as well but I know the wizards are way to cheap to get anything but roll players who are pretty cheap.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 2:56 PM

Arthur is 10 times better than songalia right now. Also Chalmers could help us now. Even hickson would have been better than Mcghee. Its just ridiculous. Beyond tired of EG and his weak drafts

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 2:58 PM

Chalmers helps us now? He only helps us if we take another injury at the point this year.

Arthur better than Songaila right now? That's just silly.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 3:00 PM

"Arthur better than Songaila right now? That's just silly"


Its not silly its common sense. Songalia is a bum who doesnt get off the bench on any good team.

Also chalmers can help us with perimeter Defense yes RIGHT NOW

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 3:01 PM

"Yes Mcghee might be alright in 3-5 years but that is exactly why I am so angry we took him. We need help NOW. In 3-5 years jamison's career will be just about over. Hopefully EG and EJ are gone and caron will be getting old. Its a horrible pick once again. No way anyone who knows college/NBA/or wizards ball can possibly be excited about this pick unless you are clinically insane or you are just a homer who is fine with all the moves they make. I personally want the team to get better and this does nothing for them. Tired of being stuck in mediocrity. EG better step up and do something in FA.

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 2:51 PM "

Yes, in 3-5 years if JaVale doesn't become a bust and disappear from the league, he'll be ready to be picked up by another team.

It's tradition in Wiz country.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 3:07 PM

I have to laugh at all the posters who think the grass is always greener on the other side. You keep throwing these names out as if these were all stars.
Ronny Turiaf doesn't do a thing that Etan Thomas can't do.
Desagana Diop? What does he have that any of our backup Cs don't have?
Eddie House? James Posey? On the strength of having seen a few games? Can you compare their numbers to our guys?
When you mention names, at least say why you think they would be an improvement over the current talent.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 3:11 PM

diop can play!! he would be perfect for this team but hes going back to dallas

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 3:14 PM

"Ronny Turiaf doesn't do a thing that Etan Thomas can't do.
Desagana Diop? What does he have that any of our backup Cs don't have?"

Actually, either one of those guys would be a nice get. Both play with energy and force. Turiaf is undersized but plays bigger than his height and Diop is a solid interior defender (did a nice job on Duncan in the WCF a couple years ago). He's a lousy offensive player but, unlike a lot of big men who are lousy offensive players, he'll still play hard on defense and the boards even if he doesn't get the ball on offense.

Posted by: kalorama | June 27, 2008 3:18 PM

we should get al jefferson

Posted by: jose | June 27, 2008 3:22 PM

and, we should ask MJ to come back from retirement....give it another go.

Posted by: jose | June 27, 2008 3:23 PM

hey, why is someonebody stealing my name? that was not me asking about MJ, that would be ridiculous.

Posted by: jose | June 27, 2008 3:27 PM

Watch JaVale become this years Amare Stoudemire (as a rookie). Just throwing down monster dunks on unsuspecting defenders. Averaging 18-20 a night on only 10 min/game. Then him and Blatche become a tag-team tandem off the bench just swatting balls left and right. I can see it now. It looks glooorious.

Posted by: psps23 | June 27, 2008 3:30 PM

"Taking a step back".

That's exactly what the Wizards did yesterday. They told the world that they are happy with .500 and getting knocked out of the first round of the playoffs. While every other team is out there making moves to get better, the Wizards just sit on the side. I don't care about trying to make a deal. Other teams routinely get deals done. The Wiz just look like idiots instead. So now we have a 3-5 year project. And $500k, which means NOTHING. At least send the pick off for a future pick. The Wizards/Bullets were perennial losers for 15-20 years. Maybe they have another 15-20 year plan for getting past the first round of the playoffs? Losers.

Posted by: TK | June 27, 2008 3:31 PM

Good post, looking forward to summer league.

Posted by: Johansen | June 27, 2008 3:34 PM

Who the hell died and made Darrell Arthur the reincarnation of Karl friggin Malone? Just because he played for a national champion (and didn't even start most of the year)? This is the same logic all those teams used that took all the Dukies in the 90's, when they were fresh off their championship years, and got burned. Who cares if they won in college? It's a team game, and besides, the NBA is a different sport than NCAA.

Arthur is an OK undersized power forward with a face up game, who doesn't bang much and is too small to rebound well in the NBA. Even if he IS healthy, he isn't taking minutes from anyone this year or next. AJ's got 80% of our PF minutes, and Blatche et al have the rest. They're all much better than Arthur. Think of it this way: If Blatche had been at KU last year, would Arthur have played over him? Come on.

Besides, you KNOW that if the Wizards' docs had really cleared Arthur, they would have sent blood samples by FedEx to every team in the league. They would NOT have relied on the Wizards informing everyone. Clearly he's got a significant health problem, which is why he fell so far.

Posted by: DCManOutWest | June 27, 2008 3:38 PM

Ivan you still havent answered the question you said you were going to which was why didnt mcgees agent let him work out for the wiz???????!!!! and if the wiz had him ranked so high and they knew he would be available why did they want to draft some1 who wouldnt work out for them??????

Posted by: dk | June 27, 2008 3:39 PM

"Watch JaVale become this years Amare Stoudemire (as a rookie). Just throwing down monster dunks on unsuspecting defenders. Averaging 18-20 a night on only 10 min/game. Then him and Blatche become a tag-team tandem off the bench just swatting balls left and right. I can see it now. It looks glooorious.

Posted by: psps23 | June 27, 2008 3:30 PM "

On NBA Live 2009, right?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 3:44 PM

How is what the Wizards did "taking a step back"? They're an already young team that just got an extra year of experience under their belt and are getting their most talented player back from season-long injury (hopefully). Assuming they re-sign their targets, the only player they lose is Roger Mason. There are only two significant players that have age concerns (AD and AJ), and neither look like they've slowed down. On the flip side, NY, Blatche, DMac, and Opec all should be expected to improve - most of them significantly. On paper, this team will improve simply by staying the same. So I ask again, how have the Wizards taken a step back?

Maybe we should've just pulled a Suns/Mavs and made moves giving away our future potential for past-their-prime names.

Posted by: psps23 | June 27, 2008 3:45 PM

On NBA Live 2009, right?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 3:44 PM

I can dream, can't I?

Posted by: psps23 | June 27, 2008 3:47 PM

"Who the hell died and made Darrell Arthur the reincarnation of Karl friggin Malone? Just because he played for a national champion (and didn't even start most of the year)? This is the same logic all those teams used that took all the Dukies in the 90's, when they were fresh off their championship years, and got burned. Who cares if they won in college? It's a team game, and besides, the NBA is a different sport than NCAA.

Arthur is an OK undersized power forward with a face up game, who doesn't bang much and is too small to rebound well in the NBA. Even if he IS healthy, he isn't taking minutes from anyone this year or next. AJ's got 80% of our PF minutes, and Blatche et al have the rest. They're all much better than Arthur. Think of it this way: If Blatche had been at KU last year, would Arthur have played over him? Come on.

Besides, you KNOW that if the Wizards' docs had really cleared Arthur, they would have sent blood samples by FedEx to every team in the league. They would NOT have relied on the Wizards informing everyone. Clearly he's got a significant health problem, which is why he fell so far.

Posted by: DCManOutWest | June 27, 2008 3:38 PM "

Geez, I didn't know AJ resigned already and has the 80%PT already claimed?!?!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 3:47 PM

I honestly have never seen or heard of McGee until last night, the film clip they played on espn made him look like a freak in the paint. Can't be a bad thing, but I'm still dissapointed the Wiz made such little noise (again) on draft night. This team is in the worst spot possible, losers in both the playoffs and nba draft. Chalk up another year of mediocrity.

Posted by: David | June 27, 2008 3:49 PM

-The "cash considerations" the team received for Walker will not impact the salary cap or luxury tax threshold either way.

So really, the Wizards didn't get 500k, Abe Polin got 500k that he can pocket. Couldn't have even got a future 2nd rounder? No, just give me the cash. I hate this team.

Posted by: Matt | June 27, 2008 4:02 PM

-The "cash considerations" the team received for Walker will not impact the salary cap or luxury tax threshold either way.

Posted by: Matt | June 27, 2008 4:02 PM

Unless the 500K pocketed by Pollin goes into him allowing EG 500k of breathing room over the luxury tax threshold.

Posted by: psps23 | June 27, 2008 4:08 PM

"Taking a step back".

That's exactly what the Wizards did yesterday. They told the world that they are happy with .500 and getting knocked out of the first round of the playoffs. While every other team is out there making moves to get better, the Wizards just sit on the side. I don't care about trying to make a deal. Other teams routinely get deals done. The Wiz just look like idiots instead. So now we have a 3-5 year project. And $500k, which means NOTHING. At least send the pick off for a future pick. The Wizards/Bullets were perennial losers for 15-20 years. Maybe they have another 15-20 year plan for getting past the first round of the playoffs? Losers.


Get off this blog, you fool!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 4:10 PM

It is mathematically impossible that any player you pick is going to be rated higher on the "board" than his draft position, if you pick the highest rated player. Think about it. Any time a GM says, we had him rated much higher, that means nothing. One player drafted out of his position on the "board" and you're already going to be drafting above a player rated higher than your pick.

Posted by: bjk | June 27, 2008 4:11 PM

The Wizards should have their own DLeague team. The Baltimore Bullets! Use it like a minor league team. It's close so our coaches and scouts can monitor them closely, run the same princeton, and send players up there to rehab or develop their skills instead of riding the bench. Plus it's close enough to bring their DLeague players to VC for practice with the big team when needed or wanted they can scrimmage. That way guys like DMac, Pesh and McGee can work on their games more during the season.

Posted by: Darnell | June 27, 2008 4:12 PM

Read "that you pick a player rated lower"

Posted by: bjk | June 27, 2008 4:13 PM

I am sick of hearing everybody complaining about something that has so little impact. As Ivan said, the 18th pick isn't sexy. Rookies as a whole don't make a dramatic impact except for cases like Kevin Durant in Seattle (if Durant had lasted to the 18th pick, he would have been on a much better team and would have seen a lot more pine and a lot lower numbers.) He's a great player, but he was the team's leader because there's nobody else. That's how rookies make a huge impact.

A trade would have been nice, but you'll notice that Kevin Garnett was last year's trade and was unavailable this year. That's a one in a million trade, and you're looking over the fence and whining because it wasn't us.

By the way, to make a major move, you have to make a major roster shake up. And the fact is, we like our team. Who do you want to see go? Pech? Blatche? Fine, but that's not enough to get you a Garnett.

Right now we're balanced between young talent for the future and veterans for current impact. We're not the Heat who have to go through major rebuilding, and we're not the Mavs who cashed in all their chips with old guys and still didn't win. You've got to stop playing monday morning quarterback.

No stupid decisions were made. No earth shattering deals were either. That's the draft. after #1 and #2, it's just not sexy.

Ivan, you called it...I was initially disappointed that we sold Bill Walker...but I really hope they use that cash to retain Roger Mason Jr. I love our squad and I still believe they're poised to do everything we want them to do. Quit complaining and be true to your team.

Posted by: Chris | June 27, 2008 4:17 PM

Yet another guy to watch from the bench for 4 years before contributing anything at all...Even more frustrating though, if we really couldn't fit the second rounder on the roster then why not take a guy overseas?? At least it's one more asset, if it doesn't work out no big deal. Plus, are we really sure that Walker wouldn't have beat out McGuire for a spot?? Nothing wrong with competition...You say that if we cut him we would get nothing for him, well what are we getting from that 500K that we didn't have before? This was nothing more than a few extra bucks in Abe's pocket, I am so disgusted, this is yet more proof that he is happy to field a mediocre team. We don't have a championship-caliber roster and if we bring back the same team as the past 3 years we will end up losing in the first-round once again.

Posted by: Werner | June 27, 2008 4:19 PM

Ok, I'm warming a little bit to the McGee choice.

I wanted a center. And he seems to be a true natural center, unlike Blatche or Pesh. He is a legit 7-footer with long wingspan and very athletic, plays above the rim and can run, good hands, and shotblocking instincts.

Those are all things I like. So I guess we can't ask for much more at 18. He seems soft, which is I guess what bothers me, especially in a center. But I'll hold off on my judgement and "take a step back" as Ivan suggests.

I am really looking forward to seeing the summer league team! I am intrigued to see McGee and Blatche in the game together and see if their games gel.

Posted by: Darnell | June 27, 2008 4:20 PM

Let's say McGee is a good prospect. To develop prospects, you need to give them time running with the 2nd team in practice, and time in games here and there.

The problem is that Blatche and Pecherov need this time, too. So the addition of McGee will cut into their time by definition.

If I were Pech, this pick would make me very nervous.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 4:28 PM

Homer Chris:

The Boston Celtics just won a championship with Rajon Rondo as their starting point guard. Rondo was the 21st pick two years ago.

The 18th pick only has no impact if you make a bad pick.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 4:33 PM

We should package Pecherov and the Memphis pick for something.

Posted by: Darnell | June 27, 2008 4:33 PM

If Ernie takes the money from selling Bill Walker and uses it to sign Bobby Jones, all will be forgiven.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 4:34 PM

Hey Anonymous guy.

Emphasis on Rondo being picked two years ago.

People are complaining about immediate impact.

And if you're telling me McGee will have no impact two years from now, I'd also like to know tomorrow's winning lottery numbers.

Posted by: Chris | June 27, 2008 4:36 PM

Pecherov and the Memphis pick to Memphis for Kyle Lowry.

That deal would make alot of sense.

Posted by: Darnell | June 27, 2008 4:41 PM

So I still don't get the cash deal. As you say, the cash considerations "will not impact the salary cap or luxury tax threshold either way."

So what exactly is the cash for? Does this cash become profit for the owner? I have no problems with the move (anything is better than nothing), but I've never been able ot understand what exactly "cash considerations" means

Posted by: Paul S. | June 27, 2008 4:54 PM

For Memphis.

Posted by: bjk | June 27, 2008 4:54 PM

The protected first round pick from the Navarro will never come to fruition because the Grizzlies STINK and will STINK through the first round pick protection that was put in there. So the "best" the Wizards get is a second round pick in 2011. Three more freakin years til that pick is recouped.


Posted by: Baller4Life | June 27, 2008 1:58 PM

What are you talking about? The terms of compensation in the JCN deal extend through 2013, not 2011, and it's a 2013 2nd rounder that we would get, not a 2011 pick.

But if you look at that compensation (top 16-protected first round pick in 2009, top 14 (lottery)-protected picks in 2010-2012, and top 12-protected in 2013) and applied those terms to the last five years' drafts (i.e., top 16-protected in 2004, top 14-protected in 2005 etc.), 26 of the 30 NBA teams had at least one first round pick in the ranges specified. (Memphis had three) If the next five years are like the last, the chances are pretty good that Memphis will have a first round pick that is outside of the protected range during one of those years. They could even miss the playoffs in 2013 and have to give us their pick. By that time, they probably will have had several lottery picks, and, with any luck, will either make the playoffs or be close enough to it that we get their pick (if we don't get it earlier).

In any event, I'd rather get a 2013 second-round pick and cash (the worst-case scenario) than have kept JCN and been used as contract leverage with his Spanish team, as Memphis apparently was, and lose him after one year, with no compensation.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 27, 2008 5:07 PM

Ivan has talked me off the ledge. I'll grudgingly give this team another chance (there 27th).

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 5:26 PM

There is no way in hell Ernie would've passed up on Hibbert had he been available. He mentioned what he liked about McGee because that's what he's supposed to do. He would've given different answers for why he picked Hibbert (if we had been so lucky!!) because that's just what GM's do.

Posted by: ronny | June 27, 2008 5:54 PM

"There is no way in hell Ernie would've passed up on Hibbert had he been available. He mentioned what he liked about McGee because that's what he's supposed to do. He would've given different answers for why he picked Hibbert (if we had been so lucky!!) because that's just what GM's do.

Posted by: ronny | June 27, 2008 5:54 PM "

That's the problem....EG being content to just sit back and take the best player at 18.

If he really wanted Hibbert, and knowing that Indiana was going to get him at 17, he should have made a move to jump ahead.

It's a total joke hearing that he offered up the Memphis JCN conditional pick, which is basically worthless.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 6:12 PM

That was a nice list of free agent guards posted a while back... Mason would be at least as good as most of them, though.

The one player on that list who intrigues me is Keyon Dooling, who always seems to play well against us and can play both the 1 and 2.

Meanwhile, I am on the side of those who have said we should be more comfortable with McGee that any other potential choices we could make at the 18.

Posted by: khrabb | June 27, 2008 6:18 PM

"If I were Pech, this pick would make me very nervous."

Veremeenko, too. No way the Wiz bring him in now with three bigs younger than 21. Trade fodder, perhaps?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 6:29 PM

Yeah I thought the same thing about offering that Memphis pick, which is basically worthless, to move up. I assume he was also offering the #47 pick as well, since he apparently had no intention of using it.

Posted by: Darnell | June 27, 2008 6:29 PM

Sorry Ivan but your piece makes zero sense. For one thing, what the Twins did is *the opposite* of what Ernie did -- they used imagination and boldness to remake their roster.

For another thing, no, the Wizards *don't* have 4 guys under 21, as you state. Nick is 23, Dom and Pech will turn 23 later this year. Andray will be 22 in a few weeks.

Managing a professional sports franchise has changed a lot in the last few years. Daryl Morey of Houston turned the 25th pick into the 28th pick, the 33d pick, and a high 2d rounder next year. Assets. He's not even a basketball guy! You knew that, yes?

Main point - the question is not whether Javale McGee is going to be a good NBA player. I don't know whether he is, and neither do you: neither does Ernie for that matter! We all hope so, of course. But, if you use the draft to create assets for your franchise, spread risk among several choices, and put yourself in position to deal w/ people who *must* make deals, you prosper.

Posted by: Tom Mandel | June 27, 2008 6:38 PM

we have too many young similar undeveloped bigs. i really am perplexed. Blatche, Pecherov, Veremnko, Mcgee. our bench is gonna be raw.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 6:38 PM

I don't think drafting McGee has any effect on OPec. Now Veremeenko coming over and outplaying him in summer league could be another story.

And as far as McGee... I just saw an interview of him on comcast sportsnite. When asked what was going to be the hardest thing about adjusting to the NBA, his answer was what to do with his free time!! I can't believe it. This dude's got Kwame Brown written all over him!

He said in college it was basketball, classes, basketball, study hall. The NBA all it is is basketball, and a couple public appearances, "I can handle that". He said he's gonna find out what to do with all the free time he's gonna have.

What?!!? I hope he's planning on spending his free time in the weightroom, eating alot of high protein food, working with a trainer, working on his stamina, and most importantly practicing his game!!!!!!

Am I wrong, or does that not totally sound like something Kwame Brown (I'm gonna beat MJ in practice) would say!!?

Posted by: Darnell | June 27, 2008 6:41 PM

Let's not kid ourselves. If you go to a Celtics forum, you'll find some very happy, gloating fans writing love notes to Danny Ainge for picking up Walker.

Posted by: Quizzical | June 27, 2008 7:22 PM

"Who do they have in mind of bring in for the backup spot?"

They already have the backup PG spot filled, by Antonio Daniels. I doubt third string PG is a huge priority at this point.

Posted by: kalorama | June 27, 2008 1:32 PM


And, I'm sure they thought the exact same thing at the beginning of last year too...
If Arenas is injured, or Antonio Daniels can't play all 82 games - who would you trust on the Wizards current roster to bring the ball up court against, say, Philadalphia?

With Roger Mason probably going to the highest bidder - your choices are Young or Stevenson

Unlike most other positions, PG is the one position where you can't have too many.. (Well, except maybe in the case of Memphis, who now has 4..)

Posted by: Rook | June 27, 2008 8:17 PM

The protected first round pick from the Navarro will never come to fruition because the Grizzlies STINK and will STINK through the first round pick protection that was put in there. So the "best" the Wizards get is a second round pick in 2011. Three more freakin years til that pick is recouped.

Posted by: Baller4Life | June 27, 2008 1:58 PM


On the other hand, Navarro did not want to play for the Wizards, and he NEVER intended to play one second for them. He was using the Wizards as leverage to either get traded to Miami or Memphis OR to get a bigger contract from his Spanish team.

Ernie got the best deal he could.... Which, after JCN left the NBA with his tail between his legs - and went back to Spain; looks increasingly like a pretty GOOD DEAL..

Posted by: Rook | June 27, 2008 8:19 PM

This Kid is a T. Prince on a 7ft frame...
check this out.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSh4w-UPUk4

Posted by: great pick | June 27, 2008 9:09 PM

"If Arenas is injured, or Antonio Daniels can't play all 82 games - who would you trust on the Wizards current roster to bring the ball up court against, say, Philadalphia?

With Roger Mason probably going to the highest bidder - your choices are Young or Stevenson"

The problem is (same as it was last season) that anyone who would be good enough to actually merit major PT in case of injury to one of the top two isn't going to sign with the Wiz to be their third string bench warmer. They can go somewhere else to be a backup who actually plays. And, as for trading for one, again, the Wiz really have nothing to offer that's going to entice someone to give up a rotation quality PG in a trade.

Posted by: kalorama | June 27, 2008 11:30 PM

The Wiz should bring in Aaron Miles for the Summer League team again. He's a 6'1" 175 lbs
Point Guard.

After playing with the Wizards in the Summer League, Aaron Miles was not offered a contract. He signed a one-year deal with Cajasol Sevilla in Spain's top professional league last year.

Miles has great ball handling skills. Excellent court vision and passing ability. Pass first point guard that truly understands his role as a ball distributor. Good leadership skills, knows how to run a team. [b] Tremendous defensive player who can shut his man down.[/b] Very fundamentally sound, with a nice 2.5 to 1 Assist to TO ratio.

The big weakness in his game was that his Outside jumper - it was simply horrific. Shot a pathetic 24% from the college 3 despite almost always being left open; although he did show some improvement in the Summer League last year, shooting 56% .... but it was a small sampling (only 5 games) and he didn't shoot any 3-point shots.

He has worked on his shooting overseas, shooting an impressive 51% on 2-point shots, and an improved 33% on 3-point shots.

He would be an extremely cheap ($450K or so) 3rd Point Guard.. Insurance against injury to either Arenas or Daniels.

Posted by: Rook | June 27, 2008 11:54 PM

He (Aaron Miles):

- Already knows some of the Princeton Offense
- Plays good on-ball perimeter defense (a team need)
- Hardly ever turns the ball over
- WOULD be willing to sign for a cheap contract ($450K or so)

How bad could his outside shot be? Worse than Antonio Daniels?

Posted by: Rook | June 27, 2008 11:59 PM

Edit - that should read 3.5 to 1 Assist to TO ratio....

Posted by: Rook | June 28, 2008 12:02 AM

Pech + Memphis 1st for Kayle Lowry
would make alot of sense now....
and Antonio Daniels for a SF

would be good trades to even out this roster

Posted by: Anonymous | June 28, 2008 12:13 AM

the only thing you have to know about this draft pick is, its the only one in the history of the league where the guys mother gets more pub than him. the guys mommy for cryin out loud.
btw again i ask, why didnt he work out for the wiz?????

Posted by: dk | June 28, 2008 12:15 AM

DAnials + future protected 1st for sf outlaw of portland would be nice pickup

Posted by: jay | June 28, 2008 12:17 AM

Who's smarter DCM88 or EG?
EG runs an NBA team...DCM88 jerks off anonymously from MD on a blog.
Nuff said.

Posted by: DCM suxs | June 28, 2008 12:39 AM

This might work:


Andray Blatche $2,739,669
Caron Butler $9,249,980
Antonio Daniels $6,200,000
Brendan Haywood $5,500,000
JaVale McGee $1,285,500 (Rookie Scale)
Dominic McGuire $ 711,517
Oleksiy Pecherov $1,446,720
Darius Songaila $4,234,000
DeShawn Stevenson $3,616,071
Etan Thomas $6,864,200
Nick Young $1,602,960
SUBTOTAL $43,450,617

Gilbert Arenas $14,000,000
Antawn Jamison $10,000,000
Roger Mason $3,000,000 (or other FA - or let him walk and save $3M)
Aaron Miles $ 442,114

TOTAL SALARIES $70,892,731 (should still be under 2008-09 Luxury Tax)

Posted by: Rook | June 28, 2008 12:42 AM

I'm not sure why ANYONE thinks Memphis (or anyone else for that matter) would want to trade for Pecherov....

AND why would Memphis want their OWN pick back? It's protected through 2013, so they'll be making their own 1st round pick ANYWAY!!! Giving them back their own protected pick does NOTHING for them...

Posted by: Rook | June 28, 2008 12:45 AM

I am sick of hearing everybody complaining about something that has so little impact. As Ivan said, the 18th pick isn't sexy. Rookies as a whole don't make a dramatic impact except for cases like Kevin Durant in Seattle (if Durant had lasted to the 18th pick, he would have been on a much better team and would have seen a lot more pine and a lot lower numbers.) He's a great player, but he was the team's leader because there's nobody else. That's how rookies make a huge impact.

A trade would have been nice, but you'll notice that Kevin Garnett was last year's trade and was unavailable this year. That's a one in a million trade, and you're looking over the fence and whining because it wasn't us.

By the way, to make a major move, you have to make a major roster shake up. And the fact is, we like our team. Who do you want to see go? Pech? Blatche? Fine, but that's not enough to get you a Garnett.

Right now we're balanced between young talent for the future and veterans for current impact. We're not the Heat who have to go through major rebuilding, and we're not the Mavs who cashed in all their chips with old guys and still didn't win. You've got to stop playing monday morning quarterback.

No stupid decisions were made. No earth shattering deals were either. That's the draft. after #1 and #2, it's just not sexy.

Ivan, you called it...I was initially disappointed that we sold Bill Walker...but I really hope they use that cash to retain Roger Mason Jr. I love our squad and I still believe they're poised to do everything we want them to do. Quit complaining and be true to your team.

Posted by: Chris | June 27, 2008 4:17 PM

----------------------------------------

The Wiz should bring in Aaron Miles for the Summer League team again. He's a 6'1" 175 lbs
Point Guard.

After playing with the Wizards in the Summer League, Aaron Miles was not offered a contract. He signed a one-year deal with Cajasol Sevilla in Spain's top professional league last year.

Miles has great ball handling skills. Excellent court vision and passing ability. Pass first point guard that truly understands his role as a ball distributor. Good leadership skills, knows how to run a team. [b] Tremendous defensive player who can shut his man down.[/b] Very fundamentally sound, with a nice 2.5 to 1 Assist to TO ratio.

The big weakness in his game was that his Outside jumper - it was simply horrific. Shot a pathetic 24% from the college 3 despite almost always being left open; although he did show some improvement in the Summer League last year, shooting 56% .... but it was a small sampling (only 5 games) and he didn't shoot any 3-point shots.

He has worked on his shooting overseas, shooting an impressive 51% on 2-point shots, and an improved 33% on 3-point shots.

He would be an extremely cheap ($450K or so) 3rd Point Guard.. Insurance against injury to either Arenas or Daniels.


Posted by: Rook | June 27, 2008 11:54 PM

========================================

I agree with both of these comments. Ernie definitely made the right moves and Aaron Miles should have been signed after his performance in last year's Summer league, especially after Gil went down.

In McGee the Wizards, at the least, gained an athletic Center with proven shot blocking ability. The Wizards needed a big, Ernie got the best one available. Actually, he got the best one for the Wizards regardless of where he picked. McGee is going to be a great addiditon to the Wizards talented young players.

Trading the 2nd round pick for cash, was Ernie's best move of the night. Walker is definitely a talented player and one I like alot. However, he plays SG and it appears that Ernie decided that Roger Mason will benefit the Wizards more than another talented rookie. Roger is better suited for this team than Walker as a 5th guard, because he can play both the "1" & "2". So, the cash received for the 2nd round pick will be used to pay the Luxury Tax, if that's what it will take to resign all of their FA's, incluiding Roger.

After Drafting McGee and resigning their FA's the Wizards will still have one roster spot available and one pressing need. A young, quick PG. Aaron Miles should definitely be one of the competitors for this position. I would love to see Ernie invite him to join the Wizards Summer League Team.

Posted by: S.E. | June 28, 2008 2:18 AM

Lets face it, even if we had wanted to keep Walker, once he came in contact with our medical staff he'd a probably made a B-line for Europe. This team should NEVER pick a player with medical issues. Then again, perhaps we shoulda fired our medical staff a few years back. Forget about problems with EJ - fire the frickin medical staff.

Posted by: sfam | June 28, 2008 7:15 AM

Give Pam McGee Harvey Grant's old job.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 28, 2008 8:02 AM

So, the cash received for the 2nd round pick will be used to pay the Luxury Tax, if that's what it will take to resign all of their FA's, incluiding Roger.
Posted by: S.E. | June 28, 2008 2:18 AM

Sorry S.E. but you can't use the cash that way. It cannot be used to "pay down" the luxury tax, or increase Cap space....

The cash just goes into the Owner's pocket.

Posted by: Rook | June 28, 2008 8:05 AM

Ivan, your article today doesn't mention retaining Dave Hopla. Is he gone next season?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 28, 2008 8:27 AM

So, the cash received for the 2nd round pick will be used to pay the Luxury Tax, if that's what it will take to resign all of their FA's, incluiding Roger.
Posted by: S.E. | June 28, 2008 2:18 AM

Sorry S.E. but you can't use the cash that way. It cannot be used to "pay down" the luxury tax, or increase Cap space....

The cash just goes into the Owner's pocket.

Posted by: Rook | June 28, 2008 8:05 AM

Well yes and no. Of course it doesn't affect the team's status above or below the luxury tax or salary cap, but the extra money could still make the team more agreeable to signing an additional player, even if it's a little over the luxury tax.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 28, 2008 9:41 AM

I could be wrong on this, but I don't think Abe's issue is the AMOUNT of luxury tax he would have to pay for going over, it's the fact that if you go one dollar OVER the threshold you no longer get to participate in sharing the total luxury tax pool with all the other cheap teams. I believe Ivan's said this before -- you're either over or your under, and those who are under get an equal share of the total amount paid in by those who went over. SO, I think we need to stop thinking of "paying the tax" as just paying the tax, it costs a lot more if you exceed the threshold than just the tax you pay. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong (not that you wouldn't anyway, and some will try to correct me even if I'm right).

Posted by: Jim | June 28, 2008 10:29 AM

"My point is that instant reaction is sometimes a little knee-jerk. Let's see how JaVale McGee develops and see what else the Wiz do this summer before calling last night a bust."

Now Ivan.

LAst year we did indeed over-react in regards to JCN, but that's because Stevenson was being a butt with his contract talks.

In regards to McGee, he's not gonna revamp the roster or anything. He's just another big body that's going to sit at the end of the bench. There's hundreds of those guys out there, there's nothing special about him.

They should have taken a chance on that Arthur kid, or trade the picks and some bodies for a proven veteran.

Bottom line is the Wizards are not a better team after the draft and EG is "content" with being ordinary.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 28, 2008 10:44 AM

"Both play with energy and force."

Oh please.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 28, 2008 10:46 AM

Well yes and no. Of course it doesn't affect the team's status above or below the luxury tax or salary cap, but the extra money could still make the team more agreeable to signing an additional player, even if it's a little over the luxury tax.
Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 28, 2008 9:41 AM


So, you're saying that if Ernie got Abe an extra $500K for the sale of our 2nd round pick.... Abe might be willing to sign a player for $250K (keeping in mind that the MINIMUM salary for a rookie is about $450K) and pay $250K into the Luxury Tax pot (dollar for dollar tax) .... AND forfeit the $5 Million dollar tax payment next year for those teams that stay under the Tax limit?

I don't think so....

No - the cash just went into Abe's pocket.

Posted by: Rook | June 28, 2008 10:52 AM

Since Mason has a business here in this area (inter design, i believe) I'm hoping that he's willing to take less to stay in the area for his business. Architecture/design is his career as well.

Posted by: washingtonian | June 28, 2008 12:25 PM

Now Ivan.

LAst year we did indeed over-react in regards to JCN, but that's because Stevenson was being a butt with his contract talks.

In regards to McGee, he's not gonna revamp the roster or anything. He's just another big body that's going to sit at the end of the bench. There's hundreds of those guys out there, there's nothing special about him.

They should have taken a chance on that Arthur kid, or trade the picks and some bodies for a proven veteran.

Bottom line is the Wizards are not a better team after the draft and EG is "content" with being ordinary.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 28, 2008 10:44 AM

I really wish EJ would handle his roster a bit more like a baseball manager, and play a guy on a hunch or a match-up that seems favorable. NBA teams don't practice often enough to just base things on a players performance in them. For example, I would have liked to see DMac try to guard LeBron for a few minutes in the playoffs (or even during the season). He probably would have been toast, but so was everyone else. It could have been a learning oportunity for him as a defender and at least Caron and DS could have taken a breather. I think NY's failed few quality minutes in the playoffs helped him see why you have to be focused at both ends. At least Eddie gave NY a chance to show he could do it, the young guys will need chances this year.

Posted by: SportzWiz | June 28, 2008 12:46 PM

So, you're saying that if Ernie got Abe an extra $500K for the sale of our 2nd round pick.... Abe might be willing to sign a player for $250K (keeping in mind that the MINIMUM salary for a rookie is about $450K) and pay $250K into the Luxury Tax pot (dollar for dollar tax) .... AND forfeit the $5 Million dollar tax payment next year for those teams that stay under the Tax limit?

I don't think so....

No - the cash just went into Abe's pocket.

Posted by: Rook | June 28, 2008 10:52 AM

Fair enough. But for what it's worth, the amount received from the luxury tax return is closer to $2 million. Something else that "just goes into Abe's pocket."

(http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#16)

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 28, 2008 1:05 PM

I have a name to throw out there for the PG position on the Summer League team. RUSSELL ROBINSON. He was the primary ballhandler at Kansas, more often than Chalmers. He has always had an A/TO ratio better than 2 to 1, plays great defense, and has a better jumpshot than Miles does. He is not as talented a scorer as Chalmers is, but just as good, if not better, as a defender. Often in college, he had to guard taller bigger guards at 6'1" 205.

Posted by: SportzWiz | June 28, 2008 1:24 PM

It's too bad we can't get aaron miles to be on our summer league team
miles already decided to be on the mavericks summer league roster

here's the link:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/basketball/mavs/stories/062808dnspomavslede.3dced8d.html

Posted by: Anonymous | June 28, 2008 1:35 PM

Yeah, McGee was a soft choice. But this was a very weak draft. It was the youngest, tallest, but least athletic in history--there weren't many choices left at 18. IMHO, the Wizards needed a star-quality point guard and big, athletic power forward--and if there were any of those in this draft we won't know for a few years.

All the posters here seem to forget just how constrained EG is by Pollin. Even his best friends and biggest fans admit that Pollin is now both very sick and very stingy--so things are not gonna change with this team anytime soon. At least we got Ayers.

Posted by: KTV | June 28, 2008 1:48 PM

Ivan, your article today doesn't mention retaining Dave Hopla. Is he gone next season?

Posted by: | June 28, 2008 8:27 AM


Anon - I think that Hoopla was the only coach that had a contract through this coming year... so he's already onboard for this season.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 28, 2008 2:06 PM

It's too bad we can't get aaron miles to be on our summer league team
miles already decided to be on the mavericks summer league roster

Posted by: | June 28, 2008 1:35 PM

Thanks for the info Anon....

That's a bummer about Aaron Miles - he had a better chance of making the Wizards roster this year than Dallas.

I suppose that he figured that since the Wiz already said no last year, why keep trying out?

Difference is that Eddie Jordan and Ernie Grunfeld now know they need an end-of-the-bench PG like Miles... after what happened with last year's injuries.

Posted by: Rook | June 28, 2008 2:15 PM


2011 or 2013?? Semantics...Regardless the Wiz will have to wait quite some time to get a second round pick. By then EJ would have been fired from the Wizards. Who knows how bad the team is going to be?!?

I believe this is EJ's last season with the Wizards. He will be the fall guy for why the team can't get passed the 1st round. He's definitely fired if the Wiz miss the playoffs this upcoming season.

The cash EG got back for the 2nd round pick did go straight to Abe's pockets...the team gets no cap relief at all.

Posted by: Baller4Life | June 28, 2008 2:23 PM

I had a dream last night that ESPN reported that the Jazz and Wizards were discussing a trade involving Jazz Center Mehmet Okur. I looked it up this morning and there has been no such discussion, but I saw that Sloan has not been pleased with Okur's effort this past season, and that drafting Koufos, an Ohio State center who replicates Okur in many ways, might be a signal that Okur's time with the Jazz is winding down. Has anyone heard anything else about Okur?

Posted by: Emmet | June 28, 2008 4:14 PM

Re-signing Mason strikes me as a high priority. As far as the McGee pick goes it's hard to see how the Wizards could have done much better. Whether the pick pans out is anyones guess. But that's pretty much the nature of the 18th pick -- it's more of a crap shoot than than the lottery picks.

More than draft picks, signings, or trades, it would be good to see the league take a more balanced approach towards the way that officials make calls in the league. The superstar special treatment -- especially of players like LeBron -- undercuts competition and makes it seem like the league front office is trying to dictate outcomes rather than letting the action on the court by players and coaches dictate outcomes.

Posted by: JP2 | June 28, 2008 4:44 PM

It has been my understanding that Abe and Ernie are not opposed to paying the luxury tax if they can find a player who is worth it....what they are opposed to is paying it for "just a guy."

Posted by: Anonymous | June 28, 2008 4:52 PM

I'm confused, if it was so obvious that the Wizards weren't going to keep their 2nd round pick.... why did they bring in Sharpe for 2 visits?

Posted by: Ben | June 28, 2008 5:05 PM


EG should be building the team around Tough Juice/CB3. He's the only true weapon on the team in terms of being an all-around player. Butler plays D and has a trifecta-type game: scoring points, assists and rebounds.

His game is slowly mirroring MJs in terms of improvement year after year. This past season CB3's outside shooting got better..he improved his 3 point shooting and FT shooting. If he can learn to back his man down and do turnaround J/fading J like MJ did, he would be unstoppable.

Also, a repeat of my posting in another blog:

Gilby = ring leader of the immature goofballs/King Goofball.

Nick "Hollywood" Young = immature goofball

AB = immature goofball

DMac = immature goofball

Opech/OPEC = just a goofball.

And you wonder why the team is stuck in mediocrity? Too many goofballs and not enough true ballers.

Posted by: Baller4Life | June 28, 2008 9:04 PM


EG should be building the team around Tough Juice/CB3. He's the only true weapon on the team in terms of being an all-around player. Butler plays D and has a trifecta-type game: scoring points, assists and rebounds.

His game is slowly mirroring MJs in terms of improvement year after year. This past season CB3's outside shooting got better..he improved his 3 point shooting and FT shooting. If he can learn to back his man down and do turnaround J/fading J like MJ did, he would be unstoppable.

Also, a repeat of my posting in another blog:

Gilby = ring leader of the immature goofballs/King Goofball.

Nick "Hollywood" Young = immature goofball

AB = immature goofball

DMac = immature goofball

Opech/OPEC = just a goofball.

And you wonder why the team is stuck in mediocrity? Too many goofballs and not enough true ballers.

Posted by: Baller4Life | June 28, 2008 9:05 PM

"Has anyone heard anything else about Okur?"

I heard he's a jumpshooting big man with negligible defensive skills. I also heard the Wizards don't need any more of those.

Posted by: kalorama | June 28, 2008 9:59 PM

I'm happy the team went big and selected McGee. I hope even with the crew of players at PF that the team would try to secure Chris Wilcox from Seattle. He plays a brand of ball that's missing on the Wizards. Even if that means cutting someone, I don't have a recommendation on that one. I would like to see the team pick up a young, quick and heady point guard. Maybe Duhon. Given Grunfeld's strategy of keeping the core of the team together, I'm hopeful that with McGee, Wilcox and a PG the wiz will be capable of moving forward next year. That's my 2 cents.

Posted by: zball | June 28, 2008 10:00 PM

Fair enough. But for what it's worth, the amount received from the luxury tax return is closer to $2 million. Something else that "just goes into Abe's pocket."

(http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#16)

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 28, 2008 1:05 PM



Wrong again - Johnnie

Using salary information from http://www.sportscity.com/NBA-Salaries/

In the 2007-2008 Season, 13 Teams went over the Luxury Tax limit for a total of $122 Million dollars.

Each team that stayed under the Luxury Tax Limit (18 teams) get an equal share - with one additional share going to the League.

Divide $122 Million by 19 shares = $6.4 Million dollars to each team.



2007-2008 Luxury Tax Limit was $67,865,000

Boston Celtics 75,099,800 (7,234,800 over)
NJ Nets 59,398,903
NY Knicks 96,008,174 (28,143,174 over)
Phila 76ers 75,167,237 (7,302,237 over)
Toronto Raptors 66,042,375
Chicago Bulls 65,941,011
Cleveland Cavs 79,072,857 (11,207,857 over)
Detroit Pistons 66,157,018
Indiana Pacers 67,577,271
Milwaukee Bucks 62,602,897
Atlanta Hawks 54,623,336
Charlotte Bobcats 52,522,397
Miami Heat 72,431,149 (4,566,149 over)
Orlando Magic 58,298,739
Washington Wizards 67,812,917

Dallas Mavericks 105,661,739 (37,796,739 over)
Houston Rockets 70,626,343 (2,761,343 over)
Memphis Grizzlies 51,955,224
NO Hornets 62,175,981
SA Spurs 69,661,479 (1,796,479 over)
Denver Nuggets 79,008,607 (11,143,607 over)
Min Timberwolves 68,941,910 (1,076,910 over)
Portland Trailblazers 69,838,515 1,973,515
Seattle Supersonics 59,656,488
Utah Jazz 57,485,268
GS Warriors 64,148,068
LA Clippers 63,773,687
LA Lakers 71,946,626 (4,081,626 over)
Phoenix Suns 70,878,283 (3,013,283 over)
Sacramento Kings 62,744,238

TOTAL SALARIES $2,047,258,537

TOTAL OVER LUXURY TAX $122,097,719


These figures may not be exact, but they are close enough to show the Luxury Tax payment is not an insignificant amount. AND it's considerably more than $2 Million

Posted by: Rook | June 28, 2008 10:28 PM

And some people wanted the Wizards to go over the Luxury tax to sign Sun Ming Ming, or Coby Karl - - - LMAO

Posted by: Rook | June 28, 2008 10:31 PM

The 18th pick is what it is...would have been nice if there had not been such a run on the 4s and 5s just before the Wiz picked, but such is life. There certainly werent any decent 1s left at 18 either. And it sounds like the rest of the league is still weary of being fleeced by Ernie, with the Kwame for CB trade still fresh in their minds. Plus what did Ernie really have to offer to move up in the draft that had any value. I really dont get the trade of the 2nd round pick for cash though. Why not at least take another European project and let him play oversears for a couple of years and see what happens. Does Abe need the cash that badly? It just doesnt seem like the kind of move a team that really wants to be a contender next year or the year after would make. If Abe is really ill, he should pass the mantel sooner rather than later and let his fans give him a magnificent and well deserved farewell, while he can still appreciate it.

Also, this has got to be EJ's last year, uless he gets the Wiz to finals. Especially if EJ doesnt figure out how to give GA, AJ and CB significantly fewer minutes to avoid the injuries and still win enoug games to get home court in rounds one and two. EJ needs to show he knows how to take his offense to new level and utilize it to much more efficiently take advantage of the skills his role players and star players posess. Plus Hoopla may be ready by then to take the reins...

Posted by: oddjob | June 28, 2008 10:46 PM

Good players can develop out of any slot in the first round, or even the second round. However, with EJ as coach, we can assume no development by the new youngster in the coming year (and minimal development by the four other youngsters).

Ironically, EJ will put even more minutes on "his guys", which will produce more injuries to them, which will mean some minutes for the youngsters.

The Wiz are a broken record. Low draft pick and 1 and out. No development of the young guys to break the routine. Round and round...

Posted by: Izman | June 28, 2008 10:56 PM

Well Rook, it looks like there are more teams that passed the luxury tax amount this year than in the previous two years, which is what I based my estimates on. So I'm "wrong again."

But I believe your figures do have one mistake. The teams under the luxury tax get 1/30th of the total above the luxury tax (not 1/19th). The remaining money is either used for league purposes or it's distributed equally among all 30 teams (whether above or below the tax). That's at least how this site explains the luxury tax: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#16

So the total comes down to about $4 million per team under the luxury tax. That's certainly closer to your original $5 million mark than my $2 million mark, so you win. Congrats!

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 29, 2008 12:30 AM

And some people wanted the Wizards to go over the Luxury tax to sign Sun Ming Ming, or Coby Karl - - - LMAO

Posted by: Rook | June 28, 2008 10:31 PM

Why do you care? It's just money pocketed by Abe, no?

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 29, 2008 12:33 AM

Contrary to popular (and misguided) belief, players don't just magically "deveop" if you give them PT. They develop by working hard on their games in the summer, during camp, in practice, and all the other places and times when cameras aren't watching. If they don't put in that work, all you'll get out of them in games is the same mistakes and the same deficiencies.

Posted by: kalorama | June 29, 2008 12:37 AM

Ivan,

Do you think the Wiz will eventually have conversations with the Grizz about sending their pick back for one of the many point guards they have on their roster?

Posted by: Oz | June 29, 2008 3:15 AM

Have to agree with Ivan about all the crying around here.

No I don't like the pick of McGee, but we know that Grunfeld was trying to make moves up/back so for all we know taking McGee was better than the other options Grunfeld had. In which case, it's a good pick.

I also don't get the impression that Grunfeld is excited by the pick either. I think he had his sights set on something else and the draft just unfolded unfavorably. Those things can happen with 5 minute time limits in a live setting.

There was very little chance that a #18 pick was going to be able to come in and contribute immediately given the makeup of the Wizards. Take a chance on a 7-footer with upside who may become something when the "Big 3" run ends in 3-4 years. Seems like a good plan to me.

Posted by: UltimateFootballNetwork.com | June 29, 2008 3:17 AM

Do you think the Wiz will eventually have conversations with the Grizz about sending their pick back for one of the many point guards they have on their roster?

Posted by: Oz | June 29, 2008 3:15 AM

Oz, why would Memphis even do that? They get to keep that pick until at least 2013 (Unless they make the playoffs - not likely! )

Posted by: Rook | June 29, 2008 9:43 AM

Ivan,
1)Is the "live chat" posted somewhere?
2)Can you explain whether the "cash considerations" received from Boston have any effect on the team's salary/personnel siuation?
Thanks,

Posted by: Josh | June 29, 2008 11:07 AM

"EJ needs to show he knows how to take his offense to new level and utilize it to much more efficiently take advantage of the skills his role players and star players posess."

I've always been one of EJ's harshest critiques on here, but last year he did a good job.

Saying this two things REALLY irked me about last year:

1) The Wiz played better "team" defense without Gil.

2) EJ did not stick to what got him tot he playoffs in the first place when they started.

Young was one of the Wiz's better players off the bench during the last part of the season and EJ all but benched him in the playoffs. Then when it was too late Young finally saw the floor. This made absolutely NO sense to me, Jordan is WAY to loyal to his vets. This alone is why people are still sketchy about his coaching around here.

If you don't believe me expect to see lots of Etan Thomas next year and him and Haywood fighting again during the season. It's coming.

In all honesty, I don't see how much better the Wiz can be in 08-09 if they bring the same team back. Lebron by himself can beat the Wiz, and there's a few more teams that are going to be better in 08-09 as well, not to mention the Celtics are probably going to get better.

They have to do something to add a proven vet to the roster or we're going to see the Wiz with 45 wins, 5th/6th in the East, and get bounced in the first round(again).

Just making the playoffs isn't good enough anymore, they all have to be held accountable.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 29, 2008 11:35 AM

Ivan,
1)Is the "live chat" posted somewhere?
2)Can you explain whether the "cash considerations" received from Boston have any effect on the team's salary/personnel siuation?
Thanks,

Posted by: Josh | June 29, 2008 11:07 AM


Josh - here's the chat transcript:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/06/24/DI2008062401095.html

As to your second question: the "cash considerations" do not have any impact on the Salary Cap or Luxury Tax.


Posted by: Rook | June 29, 2008 11:39 AM

Why not draft Patrick Ewing Jr? Oh...he probably plays too much defense, he blocks shots and drives to the basket. No room for him on this team!

Posted by: sicwidit | June 29, 2008 11:47 AM

My quess is that the Wiz will make a run at retaining Mason along with Arenas and Jamison. With a healthy Arenas the need for a third point in diminished.

If the Wiz have room for a min. contract guy on the roster, I'd think they'll be taking a look around between now and summer league for a FA invitee at point. Or they'll scan around for a guy to invite to camp as an extra point.

They could do a whole lot worse then Mason as a third point, third two, and as a designated shooter that can even play some three if the other team goes small, or there are injuries, or foul problems.

I'd agree with rook's general asessment of the salary breakdown. Next summer will be the year Ernie can possibly do some wheeling and dealing with Songalia, Daniels, and Thomas's contracts as bargaining chips.

I'm still not as ready to declare Pecherov, Blatche, Young, McGuire a bunch of goof ball busts. I saw real progress in Young, McGuire, and Blatche last season. And if every guy that looks bad when Superman dunks all over them is not good enough to be in the league, beleive me, there won't be enough guys to fill teams rosters half full.

Give Pecherov a break, the guy had a foot problem that kept him out half of his rookie year, and he's still really young and learning to live in a completly different culture. Big Z took years to develop when he came over, give the kid some time.

The team could also look at inviting a veteran big to camp. A guy that could play the role that Booth did here before he left for Philly could be as valuable as a third point. That could give the Wiz the ability to send one of the young bigs down to the D-League for some playing time instead of being in nice suit for the games.

Posted by: GM | June 29, 2008 12:14 PM

Do you think the Wiz will eventually have conversations with the Grizz about sending their pick back for one of the many point guards they have on their roster?

Posted by: Oz | June 29, 2008 3:15 AM

Oz, why would Memphis even do that? They get to keep that pick until at least 2013 (Unless they make the playoffs - not likely! )

Posted by: Rook | June 29, 2008 9:43 AM

That obviously would only be a piece of the deal as it would likely require Pech along with the pick in return. I for one would do Pech and their pick back to them for Crittendon in a heartbeat. It may not even take that much; their owner is very cash conscious so why not send them the "cash considerations" they received from Boston along with their pick back and maybe a lottery protected pick from us (which would make sense considering we have no space for developmental players anymore)

Posted by: Oz | June 29, 2008 1:09 PM

I gotta say I am liking the way our roster is shaping.

We are a bit overloaded at PF, especially when you also factor in Veremeenko. But that changes when you consider Jamison can play SF, and is probably actually more effective there. We can basically "start" Antawn at PF, and bring in Andray with the 1st subs, then rest Jamison OR rest Caron and slide Jamison to SF, and from there out basically rotate Jamison and Caron at SF and rotating Andray and Songaila at pf, while possibly playing Jamison some more at pf or even some Caron at sg depending on matchups.

McGee will basically be a 3rd center option along with Blatche and Songaila. He will ride the bench and learn the game practicing against Haywood and Etan.

Center: Haywood, Etan, McGee (Blatche)
PF: Jamison, Blatche, Songaila, Pecherov
SF: Butler, McGuire (Jamison)
SG: Stevenson, Young, Mason?
PG: Arenas, Daniels

I'd love to resign Mason and/or sign unrestricted FA Duhon.

Posted by: Darnell | June 29, 2008 1:42 PM

Good point OZ,

I'd do a Pecherov + Memphis pick to Memphis for either Crittendon or Lowry.

Posted by: Darnell | June 29, 2008 1:44 PM

OZ - unfortunately, there are a lot of teams looking for a backup PG - and most of them can probably do better than a 7-ft Euro Center project that did absolutely nothing last year... and a pick they essentially already own through 2013 (and don't really need back)....

We would have to sweeten the pot. Perhaps our 1st round pick (Lottery protected); or a different player from our roster (McGuire ?).

Let's be realistic.

Lowery played in all 82 games for Memphis, averaging 26 minutes per game with 9.6 ppg (43% shooting) and 3.6 assists... Similar to the numbers that Antonio Daniels put up last year.

Pech appeared in only 36 games, averaging 3.6 ppg (35% shooting) and 1.9 rebounds.

Posted by: Rook | June 29, 2008 4:03 PM

"I'd do a Pecherov + Memphis pick to Memphis for either Crittendon or Lowry."

So would I. But the Grizzlies wouldn't. Why would they?

Posted by: kalorama | June 29, 2008 4:25 PM

Crittenton might be more like it. I remember when we worked him out, he sounded like he really wanted to come here, and Gil loaned him a pair of shoes.

He played 50 games, avg 13.6 min, 5.6 pts and 1.o asst. He's a Gil style player, and he'd be a nice fit for our team and our bench. Plus at 6-5 he's a guy he could play with Gil.

The point is it makes sense due to Memphis glut with young pg and our glut of PF.

Pecherov + Mem pick + 2nd round pick ('09) I would think could get it done.

Posted by: Darnell | June 29, 2008 4:26 PM

What ever happened to Gerald Fitch??

He's a guy I'd like to bring in to summer league.

Posted by: Darnell | June 29, 2008 4:30 PM

Last I heard about Fitch, he was playing in Italy.

Posted by: Rook | June 29, 2008 4:58 PM

Posted by: Rook | June 29, 2008 5:01 PM

"The point is it makes sense due to Memphis glut with young pg and our glut of PF."

It may make sense for the Grizzlies to trade Lowry for something they can use at another position. But given the level of protection on the pick they owe the Wiz and the fact that Pecherov, right now, has zero player value, it makes no sense for them to trade Lowry to Washington when they can get more value for him by trading him somewhere 9almost anywhere) else.

Posted by: kalorama | June 29, 2008 5:14 PM

"Clippers' guard Shaun Livingston is set to become an unrestricted free agent with the Clippers declining to tender him a qualifying offer, the New York Daily News is reporting."

He was set to make $5.8 Million dollars this year.

So, is there a team out there that might take a flier on this guy and offer him the Veteran Minimum for a 4-year player ($854,957) ?

Posted by: Rook | June 29, 2008 5:34 PM

Shaun Livingston is going to be an unrestricted FA.

I do not think he will be fully recovered until February so we could get him pretty cheap.

Keep in mind he came to the NBA out of high school VERY hyped (4th pick in draft) and right now he is only 21 years old. He was starting for the Clippers before his injury.

He is a 6'7" PG. Was putting up very decent stats as a 20 year old.

Lets say the Arenas-Butler-Jamison project does not work out. I think it will. I expect us to be serious Championship contenders in the 09-10 season.

Getting Livingston would be one more young player and a position we will not have to worry about in future drafts.

Livingston, Young, Blatche, McGee (possibly Pech and McGuire) could very well be the future generation of this team. That is a lot of length!

And because of his injury, we also may be able to sign him for relatively cheap.

What do you think? I for one love this idea.

Posted by: arenasmvp4ever | June 29, 2008 6:24 PM

"So, is there a team out there that might take a flier on this guy and offer him the Veteran Minimum for a 4-year player ($854,957) ?

A team with a lot of room below the lux tax ceiling might offer him a a 1-year, partially guaranteed deal. I'd be surprised to see him get anything more than that.

Posted by: kalorama | June 29, 2008 6:57 PM

"And because of his injury, we also may be able to sign him for relatively cheap."

And, because of his injury, he may never be able to play NBA caliber ball again.

Posted by: kalorama | June 29, 2008 6:58 PM

Posted by: arenasmvp4ever | June 29, 2008 6:24 PM

Wow. you are drinking the kool aid. that group of players you mentioned is terrible. if that is our team of the future expect many more lotteries and 0 playoffs.

Posted by: T | June 29, 2008 7:46 PM

I can't see shipping out a package of player(s) or pick(s) for a number three point guard.

Livingston could be a good gamble to fill a 14th or 15th roster spot if the Wiz are under the Luxury Tax or if they've gone over signing their other guys. But he's not a guy I'd recommend going over just to sign.

If this team is going to make a trade it's got to be in the area of a guy to match up with his Highness. Some rumbling that if Artest doesn't opt out of his last year he might be available.

I'd rather the Wiz be looking at a move to shake up the top of the rotation then talk about a third point.

Posted by: GM | June 29, 2008 8:38 PM

"Livingston could be a good gamble to fill a 14th or 15th roster spot if the Wiz are under the Luxury Tax or if they've gone over signing their other guys. But he's not a guy I'd recommend going over just to sign.

Posted by: GM | June 29, 2008 8:38 PM "

How can he be a 14th or 15th roster spot when he'll probably be the 3rd PG, if not the 2nd PG off the bench?

Even if resigned, there's absolutely no guarantee that Gilby will be ready Nov. 1 or be his old self. AD, all 35 years of him, played 71 games last season and was hurt through about 1/3 of them. Mason most likely won't be around to help out here and there.

SL isn't going to cost that much. Obviously he would need to be cleared by doctors, not just Wiz doctors, in order to sign a contract....one that could be loaded with incentives.

If the Wiz brought on a chump PF though, then we'd be talking about a 14th or 15 player on the team....not a guy who can play PG, SG, or SF like SL.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 12:29 AM

"OZ - unfortunately, there are a lot of teams looking for a backup PG - and most of them can probably do better than a 7-ft Euro Center project that did absolutely nothing last year... and a pick they essentially already own through 2013 (and don't really need back)....

We would have to sweeten the pot. Perhaps our 1st round pick (Lottery protected); or a different player from our roster (McGuire ?).

Let's be realistic. "

I agree, which is why I think Crittendon is the more realistic target. And unlike many others, I don't think the Grizz are that far away from competing for an 8th seed. I absolutely don't think it will happen this year but they have a good young nucleus with Gay, Mayo, and Arthur (potentially). The "x" factor for them is how good can Conley be and how quickly can he develop. His development and and one more lotto selection could have them in the playoff mix sooner than most think....

Posted by: Oz | June 30, 2008 12:29 AM

Should the Wiz look into acquiring Jamal Tinsley?

He's older than Calderon by 4 years, but has similar averages. Cost is 6.3 mil, which would be cheaper than Calderon, and if Indy can't trade him, they'll release him.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 12:38 AM

"Even if resigned, there's absolutely no guarantee that Gilby will be ready Nov. 1 or be his old self."

There's no guarantee Livingston will even be able to play at the NBA level again, so going over the luxury tax to sign him makes no sense. Signing him as "insurance" in case Gilbert isn't ready is ridiculous, because there's an even greater chance that Livingston won't be ready. Clearance from doctors just means the injury is healed. It doesn't mean he'll be able to play effectively.

If Gilbert's readiness in return from injury is really a concern, signing a player coming off a much more severe, potentially career threatening injury as insurance is possibly the worst insurance plan ever.

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 12:46 AM

GM, true, I'd love to get Artest to matchup with LeBron.

Would Daniels, Pecherov, the Memphis pick and our 1st rounder '09 be enough?


I would be very interested in picking up Livingston with our MLE. He is a pure pg, and at 6-7 you can play him with Gil.


Posted by: Darnell | June 30, 2008 1:31 AM

This deal would work as far as salaries matching...


Wizards trade:
Daniels, Pecherov, Stevenson, McGuire, Veremeenko, Memphis pick, 1st round pick '09

Kings trade:
Artest and John Salmons

Then pick up Livingston with the MLE. Pick up a 3rd pg like Fitch, Miles, or Chase.

We'd have a pg rotation of Arenas and Livingston. A sg rotation of Butler, Salmons, Young and Arenas. A sf rotation of Butler, Artest, Jamison. A pf rotation of Jamison, Blatche, Songaila. A center rotation of Haywood, Etan, McGee/Blatche.

Posted by: Darnell | June 30, 2008 1:46 AM

Actually you can just leave out Stevenson and Salmons and it still works.

Daniels, Pecherov, McGuire, Veremeenko, Memphis pick, 1st round pick '09

to Kings for Artest.

Posted by: Darnell | June 30, 2008 1:56 AM

Good try Darnell... now if you can just get to the Maloofs after a long night in Vegas, they might even go for it (of course Reggie Theus might go back to Saturday kids TV rather than try to work those players into his lineup).

I would love to see Artest starting at the 2 for us!

Posted by: khrabb | June 30, 2008 4:03 AM

"There's no guarantee Livingston will even be able to play at the NBA level again, so going over the luxury tax to sign him makes no sense. Signing him as "insurance" in case Gilbert isn't ready is ridiculous, because there's an even greater chance that Livingston won't be ready. Clearance from doctors just means the injury is healed. It doesn't mean he'll be able to play effectively.

If Gilbert's readiness in return from injury is really a concern, signing a player coming off a much more severe, potentially career threatening injury as insurance is possibly the worst insurance plan ever.

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 12:46 AM "

Gilby will cost probably about 14-16 mil/year with a huge, huge question mark over his head.

Obviously the Wiz are concerned about going over the luxury cap, so SL can be signed and traded to the Wiz for a player who doesn't play to make the numbers work.

Or, if Roger Mason is not resigned, then the mid level slot can be used for SL.

It's not cut and dry, black and white like you make it out to be.

It's very likely that gilby won't be ready come Nov. 1. In the meanwhile, SL is working hard and even after his surgery, is capable of doing things that no one probably thought he can do, in workouts.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 7:54 AM

"Obviously the Wiz are concerned about going over the luxury cap, so SL can be signed and traded to the Wiz for a player who doesn't play to make the numbers work."

No he can't.

First of all, even if the Clippers had his Bird rights he could only be traded to the Wiz if the Wiz had a player that the Clippers wanted in return. That's extremely unlikely. But it's a moot point because, by not picking up his option, the Clippers lost Livingston's Bird rights, making a S&T impossible.

"It's not cut and dry, black and white like you make it out to be."

Yes, it really is. Going over the luxury tax to sign a 3rd string PG who is a waste of money for the Wiz. Going over it to sign a guy coming off a potentially career ending injury is a foolish waste of money.

"It's very likely that gilby won't be ready come Nov. 1. "

Based on what evidence? The severity of his injury? His injury wasn't nearly as severe as you continually try to make it out to be. Based on reports of his progress? What reports? Where do you get your information from?

"In the meanwhile, SL is working hard and even after his surgery, is capable of doing things that no one probably thought he can do, in workouts."

Doesn't matter what he does in individual workouts. Workouts aren't games against NBA caliber talent. Players coming back from injury often look good in workouts only to not be able to cut in actual competition (see Williams, Jay).

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 8:34 AM

It's interesting how you like to jump on people who speculate, but then you are responses are full of speculation.

"Yes, it really is. Going over the luxury tax to sign a 3rd string PG who is a waste of money for the Wiz. Going over it to sign a guy coming off a potentially career ending injury is a foolish waste of money."

Yeah, and spending 1 dime over what another team can pay Gilby is a waste of money also.

Wiz won't be going over the lux cap if they sign SL to the mid level exception slot.

This basketball business is about taking risks. The probability of the risk obviously is reduced by doing your homework, and that means passing a physical. There is absolutely no harm in the Wiz bringing him in, checking him out, and going from there.

I guess you'd prefer to sign a gimpy shoot first point guard for 14-16 mil and to stick with his 35 year old backup who's also injury prone and has periods where he doesn't produce at all.

Working out SL is obviously a risk reducer and a great idea. Just like there was absolutely no harm end of last season in working guys out to help this undermanned team, but the Wiz wasn't going to do "whatever it takes" to win.

"Based on what evidence? The severity of his injury? His injury wasn't nearly as severe as you continually try to make it out to be. Based on reports of his progress? What reports? Where do you get your information from?"

Based on what evidence do you think SL can't contribute to the Wiz?

It was reported by Ivan that Gilby is not ready, and will attempt to avoid "getting fat" by eating chicken and salads while taking several weeks off to tour asia.

There was a report that Gilby was seen eating at PF Changs during the draft. Hilarious!

Don't be surprised if Gilby is not ready come training camp.

"Doesn't matter what he does in individual workouts. Workouts aren't games against NBA caliber talent. Players coming back from injury often look good in workouts only to not be able to cut in actual competition (see Williams, Jay)."

Same applies for Gilby, a shoot first injury prone guard who wants max money.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 9:17 AM

"Doesn't matter what he does in individual workouts. Workouts aren't games against NBA caliber talent. Players coming back from injury often look good in workouts only to not be able to cut in actual competition (see Williams, Jay)"

This quote also reminds me of how stupid the reports were last summer about how great Gilby's parachute and biking around town workouts were, nevermind the idiotic 9 ft. rim games at Barry Farms which mean nothing, but mostly everyone here was going ga ga over them.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 9:24 AM

Have you actually seen the video of Livingston's knee injury? If you haven't, you can see it on YouTube.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 9:33 AM

The rims at Barry Farms are 10 feet. I've played on them. They used to be uneven but not any more.

Posted by: mark | June 30, 2008 9:48 AM

Gilbert said that he'd be in China or somewhere when it's time to do his contract. PF Changs is close enough.

Posted by: mark | June 30, 2008 9:49 AM

"It was reported by Ivan that Gilby is not ready"

Was it reported by Ivqn that he won't be ready when the season starts? Because (A) that's what you said and (B) that's all that matters.

"There was a report that Gilby was seen eating at PF Changs during the draft. Hilarious!"

Meaningless!

"This quote also reminds me of how stupid the reports were last summer about how great Gilby's parachute and biking around town workouts were, nevermind the idiotic 9 ft. rim games at Barry Farms which mean nothing, but mostly everyone here was going ga ga over them."

Much the same way you're going ga-ga over Livingston being able to dunk in individual workouts, which means less than nothing.

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 10:00 AM

No matter what the topic, or how in often I read these posts, some how, some way, they ALWAYS end up bashing Gilbert! Why is that? My wife and I both are avid Wiz fans and are wondering, what in the world did Gil do to someone that would make them hate this guy this much! I will check back after free agency period starts and I am sure the posts on here will be the same. Sad...really sad because before Gil and crew got here, this team was a joke! By the way Gil, if you are reading this, our childs school was one of the schools selected for the scores for schools program and all of us parents are most appreciative.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 10:00 AM

Why not draft Patrick Ewing Jr? Oh...he probably plays too much defense, he blocks shots and drives to the basket. No room for him on this team!

Posted by: sicwidit | June 29, 2008 11:47 AM

You mean in the first round? (Even if the Wizards had wanted to draft him with their second round pick and keep him, which, apparently, they didn't, he was gone by then, anyway) He's a decent prospect, but he's a 'tweener, with a power forward's skill set in a small forward's (6-7) body. I'm not sure even his most ardent supporters though he deserved to go as high 18th in the first round.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 30, 2008 10:07 AM

All this talk about Agent Zero is overhyped. He would receive nowhere near the max contract to sign elsewhere and won't except a one-year deal to play elsewhere. He opted out of playing for $12.8M/year here. Both the Wiz and Arenas know whether he's healthy and will closely remember his pre-injury form. Don't forget that the Wiz attendance has increased since Agent Zero's second year here and Abe wants to put people in the seats. The Wiz were a joke after Webber was traded and then they tried the Jordan experiment which failed miserably.

Jamison is a tougher situation to read, but figure the Wiz have a good idea what he will accept since they've been able to negotiate with him. IMO he'll resign here if Arenas returns since playing on Philly wouldn't be a great fit and the Wizard's system fits him well. He also won't get $10M a year at 32 to play for a contender.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 30, 2008 10:16 AM

Shaun Livingston WAS a great talent before completely destroying his kneee. I've seen the tape and and he tore all 3 knee liagaments, dislocated his kneecap, and suffered cartilage damage. Yes, he's only 20 years old and may well pass a physical by training camp. His knee injury was one of the most severe in recent history for a basketball player. Why invest time and money in such a high-risk player who had yet to come into his own? I seriously doubt EG has even considered bringing in Livingston for a workout.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 30, 2008 11:03 AM

I don't get it??!!?? What is so hilarious about eating at PF Changs??? I go there all of time. A man has to eat right? What is so funny about that? I don't hear anyone talking about Wade last year. He didn't do too much himself. I don't read on Miami's web site to get rid of him. I hope Gil gets the number he is looking for, stays healthy and pours it on so that all of you naysayers can eat your words. Dude hasn't bothered anyone, hasn't caused the Wiz any trouble off the court, works and trains harder than most ballers I know and is community oriented, what else do you all want from him? He has committed to the Wiz totally and the only fault I see is he tried so hard last year to be ready for the season and he over did it and reinjured himself. I really hope he signs and I ain't mad at him for getting his.

Posted by: Ultimate Wiz Fan | June 30, 2008 11:05 AM

HATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 11:08 AM

Ultimate Wiz Fan,it's only one idiot blogger on here who spends his entire lifetime - blogging 24-7 - criticizing Gil. Most of us appreciate Gil.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 11:11 AM

One more day and the speculation can rest...GIL REMAINS A WIZ KID!!!!!

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | June 30, 2008 11:24 AM

Kalorama, I get your posts and agree whole heartedly with you. But in defense of Gil, this bashing really needs to stop guys. And most of it is on the personal which I think is cowardly considering he is not here to defend himself. So, I am gathering you all would rather risk him going elsewhere being 100% healthy and then coming back here and torching us? We know what we have in Gil when he is 100% and those saying he won't be the same again, can you provide some true medical insights as to his "individual" injury. Who posting here has true insight as to Gilberts knee health status? All you are doing is speculating and you have no basis for your speculations other than to compare him to someone else when each injury is individual. Grunfeld is no fool and I am sure they will do their due diligence where Gil is concerned before offering him the max if they do. But to continuously talk about someone the way you "supposed" fans do is again I say cowardly because my man can't defend himself. If there is a personal issue with him, then, man up and take it to him, instead of hiding behind keyboards. Besides, if you are being honest and were in his shoes, how many would turn down a max deal if offered to you?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 11:32 AM

"Was it reported by Ivqn that he won't be ready when the season starts? Because (A) that's what you said and (B) that's all that matters."

LOL! Yea...preparation doesn't matter...you just magically are ready come training camp....just stick to a chicken and salad diet and you're set even if you're coming off 2 consecutive knee surgeries. Get real.

"Meaningless!"

It is, but funny at the same time.

"Much the same way you're going ga-ga over Livingston being able to dunk in individual workouts, which means less than nothing."

SL being able to dunk is a huge step forward for a guy who had his major ligaments torn. Maybe not to you, but surely for his confidence and it shows teams that he's working hard to get back into form.

Of course, GMs, scouts, and evaluators think organized workouts like this are important which is why potential draftees in the NBA are evaluated with such stats, but of course, this information is outside of your narrow view when you pull opinions out of your sphincter.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 11:35 AM

Livingston wasn't all that great before he got hurt. He was a developing talent with potential, but he was hardly all-star caliber material. He was averaging 9 ppg. and 5 apg. (both career highs)in 30 mpg. when he got hurt. Not exactly a guy ready to step in and be an impact player. And even if he is fully healthy and able to compete at a high level (a huge "if") a full year off will have cost him valuable time and pushed back his development where he'd be licky just to start off at the same level he left. mote likely he'll have to work just to even get back to that point.

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 11:36 AM

"Kalorama, I get your posts and agree whole heartedly with you. But in defense of Gil, this bashing really needs to stop guys. And most of it is on the personal which I think is cowardly considering he is not here to defend himself. So, I am gathering you all would rather risk him going elsewhere being 100% healthy and then coming back here and torching us? We know what we have in Gil when he is 100% and those saying he won't be the same again, can you provide some true medical insights as to his "individual" injury. Who posting here has true insight as to Gilberts knee health status? All you are doing is speculating and you have no basis for your speculations other than to compare him to someone else when each injury is individual. Grunfeld is no fool and I am sure they will do their due diligence where Gil is concerned before offering him the max if they do. But to continuously talk about someone the way you "supposed" fans do is again I say cowardly because my man can't defend himself. If there is a personal issue with him, then, man up and take it to him, instead of hiding behind keyboards. Besides, if you are being honest and were in his shoes, how many would turn down a max deal if offered to you?

Posted by: | June 30, 2008 11:32 AM "

Sorry, but this entire blog is based on speculation.

Also, any reports/bashing on Gilby "doesn't" need to stop. If nothing else, it's Gilby that provides the ammo for people to comment on. Keep expecting it.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 11:39 AM

"LOL! Yea...preparation doesn't matter...you just magically are ready come training camp....just stick to a chicken and salad diet and you're set even if you're coming off 2 consecutive knee surgeries. Get real."

That was a weak attempt even by your standards. Pure nonsense as usual. The season starts in November. Whether or not he's at full speed in June says nothing about where he'll be 5 months later. Not a God-damned thing.

"SL being able to dunk is a huge step forward for a guy who had his major ligaments torn. "

It's a nice personal accomplishment for him. But (A) it's not really a huge milestone given that he's 6' 7" with long arms and a slight frame and (B) it still says jack all about how ready he is to actually play competitive NBA caliber basketball.

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 11:43 AM

"Livingston wasn't all that great before he got hurt. He was a developing talent with potential, but he was hardly all-star caliber material. He was averaging 9 ppg. and 5 apg. (both career highs)in 30 mpg. when he got hurt. Not exactly a guy ready to step in and be an impact player. And even if he is fully healthy and able to compete at a high level (a huge "if") a full year off will have cost him valuable time and pushed back his development where he'd be licky just to start off at the same level he left. mote likely he'll have to work just to even get back to that point.

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 11:36 AM "

Hmm, I didn't get that note where anyone said SL, a guy out of high school, deserved max money or anything near that.

Roger Mason averaged 9 pts and 1.7 assists (career 5.5 and 1.1) last season and people are saying he deserves 3.5 mil/year...and roger went to UVa for what, 3 years? Puhleaze.

SL would obviously command much less than 3.5 mil.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 11:44 AM

"Kalorama, I get your posts and agree whole heartedly with you. But in defense of Gil, this bashing really needs to stop guys. "

If you think I'm "bashing" Arenas, then clearly you don't get my posts.

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 11:44 AM

"Hmm, I didn't get that note where anyone said SL, a guy out of high school, deserved max money or anything near that."

Hmm, I didn't get the note where I said anyone said that.

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 11:45 AM

Burg w/ a U, I'm with you. I'll really be glad when this is done. I have no idea why there is any speculation about AJ or GA since everyone in Wiz management has indicated that we'd sign 'em both.
I guess we've needed that speculation and the draft to keep this blog alive. Truth is, we all could have signed off and not checked back again til training camp because our 2008-2009 season is already set. Same starters (unless EJ does something stupid like starting Etan again) , same coaches, same everything. The only real change will be the health at the onset of Gil (and Etan as a backup). Hopefully that's enough.
Maybe we'll get lucky and one of our bench players drastically improves. My money would be on Nick Young. If so, then the story of training camp might be NY stealing minutes or a starting spot from Deshawn.

Posted by: mark | June 30, 2008 11:45 AM

"SL would obviously command much less than 3.5 mil."

Doesn't matter how little he makes if he can't play well enough to actually earn it.

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 11:46 AM

"That was a weak attempt even by your standards. Pure nonsense as usual. The season starts in November. Whether or not he's at full speed in June says nothing about where he'll be 5 months later. Not a God-damned thing."

Your narrowly focused posts are worthless as usual. You wasted energy typing.

Nobody said Gilby needed to be full speed by June. Pulling it out of your sphincter as usual.

"It's a nice personal accomplishment for him. But (A) it's not really a huge milestone given that he's 6' 7" with long arms and a slight frame and (B) it still says jack all about how ready he is to actually play competitive NBA caliber basketball."

I guess you'd give SL more props if he was running behind a parachute or biking around town.....really relevant basketball related activities.


Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 11:47 AM

"Doesn't matter how little he makes if he can't play well enough to actually earn it.

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 11:46 AM "

Same would apply to "max money" Gilby who could only hop along on one leg and took himself out of the game to shut it down for the rest of the season.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 11:48 AM

"Nobody said Gilby needed to be full speed by June."

But you said Ivan reported he wasn't ready. Since today's date is June 30, then that report (if it was ever made) was made in June or before. And since the season doesn't start until November, you getting your panties in a bunch because Arenas isn't ready now is, as usual, meaningless.

"I guess you'd give SL more props if he was running behind a parachute or biking around town.....really relevant basketball related activities."

Again, more nonsense. The only person who ever made anything of that stuff was you. You were the one who brought it up in the first place, for the sole purpose of ridiculing it. So trying, a year after the fact to act like somebody else was making a big to-do over it is, off course, bulls**t.

"Same would apply to "max money" Gilby who could only hop along on one leg and took himself out of the game to shut it down for the rest of the season."

The (blindingly obvious) difference being, Arenas' injury and surgery were relatively minor. Livingston's knee was shattered and the surrounding ligaments shredded. So the odds of his not being ready vastly exceed Arena's. Add to that the fact that Arenas was several times the player that livingston was before either got hurt, makes Livingston a bigger risk and more unlikely candidate to make it all the way back. And even if he does make it all the way back, he'd still have more development work required before he was good enough to make a difference. Even if Arenas loses half a step, he'll still be an all-star caliber player.

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 12:15 PM

In case anyone's interested, fannation.com has the Wiz offering Gill $100 mill for 6 years and NOT the max.
It's a rumor site but still it's pretty interesting.

Posted by: mark | June 30, 2008 12:36 PM

My bad. After reading the article (reading is fundamental), it states that we are willing to pay him MORE than 100 mill but are not sure whether we want to pay him the max.
No new news.

Posted by: mark | June 30, 2008 12:40 PM

"But you said Ivan reported he wasn't ready. Since today's date is June 30, then that report (if it was ever made) was made in June or before. And since the season doesn't start until November, you getting your panties in a bunch because Arenas isn't ready now is, as usual, meaningless."

I said Ivan reported Gilby's not ready (June). I also said that I doubt Gilby will be ready (100%) by November. Nothing wrong with what I said.

"Again, more nonsense. The only person who ever made anything of that stuff was you. You were the one who brought it up in the first place, for the sole purpose of ridiculing it. So trying, a year after the fact to act like somebody else was making a big to-do over it is, off course, bulls**t."

Yeah, and I was correct. I said running behind a parachute, biking around town, and playing unsupervised games could result in a reinjury. Hmmm, what happened? Therefore, the only BS is coming from you as you completely miss the point once again.

"The (blindingly obvious) difference being, Arenas' injury and surgery were relatively minor. Livingston's knee was shattered and the surrounding ligaments shredded. So the odds of his not being ready vastly exceed Arena's. Add to that the fact that Arenas was several times the player that livingston was before either got hurt, makes Livingston a bigger risk and more unlikely candidate to make it all the way back. And even if he does make it all the way back, he'd still have more development work required before he was good enough to make a difference. Even if Arenas loses half a step, he'll still be an all-star caliber player.

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 12:15 PM ""

Wrong. The obvious point is that Gilby has been out of commission for over 1 year based on his "relatively minor injury and surgery."

He missed all of the playoffs these past two seasons. The team functioned perfectly well without him this past season.

Also, it's obviously a HIGHER risk for the Wiz by signing Gilby to anything near max because Gilby is a high dollar player. We all know Gilby wants max.

What we don't know is how much SL is willing to accept, and it's likely to be peanuts compared to Gilby.

Obviously you know nothing about risk if since you didn't factor in the consequences.

Sheer brilliance from the muttboy, once again.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 1:10 PM

DCman88 is nothing but a jealous, hating cocward. You are so jealous of Gilbert it is hilarious! LOL

I bet if you came face to face with Gil, you wouldn't utter not one word of this nonsense you type on your key board!It's easy to talk about people when they can't see you. HATERRRRRRRR!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 1:28 PM

"I said Ivan reported Gilby's not ready (June). I also said that I doubt Gilby will be ready (100%) by November. Nothing wrong with what I said."

Except that the one has jack all to do with the other. The fact that he's not ready now says nothing at all about how ready he'll be when it matters. Making your attempts to link the two your normal course of calorie free crap.

"The obvious point is that Gilby has been out of commission for over 1 year based on his "relatively minor injury and surgery.""

And, as usual, you're utterly wrong.

He hasn't been "out of commission for over 1 year" because he practiced and played during that time. Once a guy is playing in real games at full speed, he's no longer "out of commission." Linvingston, on the other hand, hasn't played real basketball in over 16 months, since he tore up his knee in February of 07 (the second time, at least, he's injured that same knee).

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 1:35 PM

"Also, it's obviously a HIGHER risk for the Wiz by signing Gilby to anything near max because Gilby is a high dollar player. We all know Gilby wants max."

Lots of people want things. Most of the people here want you to go the hell away and never come back. But, people don't always get what they want.

"What we don't know is how much SL is willing to accept, and it's likely to be peanuts compared to Gilby."

None of which matters if his Frankenstein reconstructed knee isn't able to deliver the goods. There's little logical (look it up if you're unfamiliar with the word) reason to think Arenas won't come back at very close to his old form. There's every logical reason to wonder whether Livingston will ever be the same as he was which, really, wasn't that great to begin with. And there's an abundance of reason to wonder whether he'll ever be good enough, post0injury, to cash in on his unfulfilled potential.

"Obviously you know nothing about risk if since you didn't factor in the consequences."

I know that when calculating risk you also have to factor in reward. The potential reward from retaining a healthy Arenas dwarfs the reward for signing Livingston, even at a cut rate price.

Posted by: kalorama | June 30, 2008 1:42 PM

Amen Kalorama, unfortunately no matter what you say the DC88 turd just keeps this website spewed with hate and his grand illusions of how things are with Gilbert. Everything you said to refute that idiot makes sense but he talks so much foolishness that he forgets some of the crap he says. My mom once told me, it is pointless to argue with fools. You will never win. And on that note, I'm O-U-T!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 1:55 PM


The "best" deal out there would be a sign & trade involving Gilby with the Golden State Warriors for Baron Davis and another GS player.

I'm not a big fan of Davis these days because of his knee injury from a few years ago and he's older than Gilby. But there doesn't look to be any quality sign & trade deals out there.

Da#$ed in the team keeps Gilby, da#$ed if you loses him and possibly Jamison for nothing.

Posted by: Baller4Life | June 30, 2008 2:36 PM

In addition to being older, Davis is also more expensive. Not to mention that he's had knee surgery too... And, not to mention that they have very similar playing styles with (IMO) gil having the edge overall in talent level.

Posted by: jones-y | June 30, 2008 3:54 PM

"DCman88 is nothing but a jealous, hating cocward. You are so jealous of Gilbert it is hilarious! LOL

I bet if you came face to face with Gil, you wouldn't utter not one word of this nonsense you type on your key board!It's easy to talk about people when they can't see you. HATERRRRRRRR!

Posted by: | June 30, 2008 1:28 PM "

Stop sucking Gilby's b#tt and go pick up his dry cleaning.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 4:42 PM

"Except that the one has jack all to do with the other. The fact that he's not ready now says nothing at all about how ready he'll be when it matters. Making your attempts to link the two your normal course of calorie free crap."

Tell that to Ivan. It's likely that Gilby will not be ready whether it's relevant or not. And of course, the mutt boy that you are, you would love some diet crap.

"He hasn't been "out of commission for over 1 year" because he practiced and played during that time. Once a guy is playing in real games at full speed, he's no longer "out of commission." Linvingston, on the other hand, hasn't played real basketball in over 16 months, since he tore up his knee in February of 07 (the second time, at least, he's injured that same knee)."

LOL!!!

Gilby played...whoop dee doo....

Gilby tried to come back and realized that he shouldn't have....point blank...as he limped his gimpy self off the court....

The point that you're missing is that he was better off staying off the court because his knee sure as heck wasn't ready.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 4:45 PM

"Lots of people want things. Most of the people here want you to go the hell away and never come back. But, people don't always get what they want."

Once again, you fail at your theory of risk. Most people here want you to stop with your scat eating habit, because you stink, but you can't.

It's laughable how you came to the conclusion that SL is more risky than Gilby, because you obviously didn't have an understanding of what risk is.

"None of which matters if his Frankenstein reconstructed knee isn't able to deliver the goods. There's little logical (look it up if you're unfamiliar with the word) reason to think Arenas won't come back at very close to his old form. There's every logical reason to wonder whether Livingston will ever be the same as he was which, really, wasn't that great to begin with. And there's an abundance of reason to wonder whether he'll ever be good enough, post0injury, to cash in on his unfulfilled potential."

It's definitely logical to ask whether Gilby will ever be the same player worth anything near max money. SL...has little to fall. If he comes back, it'll be gravy.

Gilby on the other hand would be in big trouble if his loses a lot of his quickness after 2 knee surgeries.

"I know that when calculating risk you also have to factor in reward. The potential reward from retaining a healthy Arenas dwarfs the reward for signing Livingston, even at a cut rate price."

Unfortunately, you're blinded by reward and can't understand the risk. That's why you're sitting behind your computer just like everyone here and typing in your comments just like everyone else, instead of running a basketball franchise.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 4:51 PM

"Amen Kalorama, unfortunately no matter what you say the DC88 turd just keeps this website spewed with hate and his grand illusions of how things are with Gilbert. Everything you said to refute that idiot makes sense but he talks so much foolishness that he forgets some of the crap he says. My mom once told me, it is pointless to argue with fools. You will never win. And on that note, I'm O-U-T!

Posted by: | June 30, 2008 1:55 PM "

Gilby's return to the Wiz would be great, as this blog will continue on.

Playoff success though?

That's an entirely different issue.

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 30, 2008 4:53 PM

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