Walker to Boston for cash

The Wizards just shipped second-round pick Bill Walker to Boston for cash considerations. Basically, there was no roster spot for another body.
Also, Ernie said that 2006 second-round pick Vladimir Veremeenko is expected to play in summer league but he didn't sound too high on signing the guy.

-Ernie said he planned on bringing back the entire coaching staff intact.

-I asked Ernie if health concerns factored in the decision to pass on Kansas forward Darrell Arthur and he said: "No."


By Ivan Carter |  June 26, 2008; 11:56 PM ET
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Does this cash affect our Cap or anything? Or is it just money in the bank for Abe?

Posted by: Andy S | June 27, 2008 12:01 AM

Did you ask Ernie when they were going to get someone competent to run the draft?

Posted by: Jim | June 27, 2008 12:02 AM

No spots? We didn't have a full roster of 15 players last season because Abe was too cheap to go over the luxury tax. Ivan, can you at least ask if the cash they got will be re-invested in the team either through the mid-level exemption or exceeding the luxury tax? Its an absolute joke that an owner can sell a pick in the NBA. Where's the benefit to the fans in that? I was actually a fan of that pick more so than our first rounder. Pitiful.....

Posted by: Oz | June 27, 2008 12:05 AM

its crazy to just sell a pick for cash. nonsense, what if the kid turns out to be a 2nd round sleeper like manu ginobli, gil arenas?!?!

Posted by: selling picks sucks!!! | June 27, 2008 12:05 AM

What a depressing night; I think I'm gonna go back to not paying any attention to the Wiz, as I did from 1988 - 2005. They're just not worth getting emotionally invested in... all Abe cares about is hanging onto his cash until he kicks off, and until then we're all gonna suffer in mediocrity. This really frickin' sucks...

Posted by: Jim | June 27, 2008 12:07 AM

Cash does nothing for cap space or anything. It goes to Abe, not the team

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:07 AM

THIS DRAFT WAS AWESOME!!! :)))) WAHOOOOOOO
WERE GONNA KILL THE CAVS NEXT YEAR

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:08 AM

Abe Pollin isn't Mr. Burns, Bill Walker is a loooooongshot, and Wizards fans get lamer, dumber, and more panicky every year.

Posted by: gus | June 27, 2008 12:08 AM

Maybe we'll resign Mason with this cash?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:09 AM

Seriously, how can Abe say he justs wants to win a championship and do stuff like this??? This is the straw that broke the cheap camels back. I am DONE with the Wizards. Everyone have fun rooting for a 2nd rate team that will never compete for a championship under Abe.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:09 AM

"What a depressing night; I think I'm gonna go back to not paying any attention to the Wiz, as I did from 1988 - 2005. They're just not worth getting emotionally invested in... all Abe cares about is hanging onto his cash until he kicks off, and until then we're all gonna suffer in mediocrity. This really frickin' sucks..."

Here's an idea, Jim: take your 3 years of bandwagon fandom and shove them up your retarded ass until you die from it, you dimwit piece of garbage.

Posted by: gus | June 27, 2008 12:10 AM

huge wizards homer here. im done lol. i pray for vast improvements in blatche, young, dmac, and no injuries. or on a side note this team could get injured and epic fail again next year. maybe there will be some changes in the office.

Posted by: adubcl | June 27, 2008 12:11 AM

Great, we finally get a good player, and then we ship him out. What a bad draft.

Posted by: Andrew | June 27, 2008 12:11 AM

Gus, how are we dumber for getting mad that the Wiz just gave away a player for nothing that helps the team? How is that dumb? Did they get another player? No. Did they get another pick? No. They got cash. Let's see them post that cash in the paint and see if it can defend or score.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:12 AM

im hear to announce the wizards draft grade via ESPN

EPIC FAIL

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:13 AM

If the Wiz don't make a serious run at the title this year, then Grunfield needs to do some soul searching. 4 straight years of largely the same team, enough with the Gilbert company line, it isn't working.

Posted by: Ben | June 27, 2008 12:14 AM

I find it funny that all these people are "giving up" on the Wizards. What the hell is that about?

Anyway, it's not like the Wiz are the only team to trade a pick for cash. I don't know why they did, but I hope they have a good reason.

Posted by: Matt K. | June 27, 2008 12:15 AM

Go get em Gus! No prisoners taken on this page!

So now all the people who moaned about Hibbert for the past too many days, are now regretting that Indiana nabbed him and left us with McGee?

Let's wait and watch the Wizards summer league team... and let's see what goes with re-signing and a mid-level exception.

Posted by: khrabb | June 27, 2008 12:16 AM

Lebron has been killing us for the last few years because we have nobody that can stop him. While Walker wasn't an offensive jaugernot, he has similar size to Lebron and has crazy athletic ability. Possibly someone who we could have given some minutes to play D. Another year, same result. I'm ready for football.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:16 AM

im giving up because i refuse to be like abe, I realize it will take some revamping and serious moves to actualy get a championship. I think its pretty apparent. I dont want ot lose to the cavs in the first round as an injury riddled weed perimiter defense team again.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:18 AM

Just seems like there are more "been a fan since 2005" types around these days. People who freak out over 2nd round picks like a bunch of loudmouth Knicks fans. Dumb because people see a mid second round pick with a SERIOUS history of potentially career-threatening injuries as a surefire stud, and then when he's traded for cash considerations, immediately get mad at an elderly man who has done more for the city of Washington than everyone who comments here wouldn't do combined if everyone here was as rich as Abe Pollin. It's obnoxious and it's depressing and I can get past the feeling that maybe it's a little bit racist.

Posted by: gus | June 27, 2008 12:20 AM

I hate this draft......1st round we pick some stiff who would not even come in for a workout?????? With Arthur, Koufous, Batum and Hickson all on the board. Then trade a promising second round pick for cash.....with Hardon and Hendrix still available. Did we not even have enough players for practice at times last year????But we trade our second round pick for nothing. Not to mention we pobably could have got Mcgee 10 picks lower. I need a valium. Being a wiazard fan sure is a character building experience. Like being a Terp fan now, it all sucks. I'm going to the beach, hit some waves and forget this mess.
Surfer

Posted by: Surfer | June 27, 2008 12:21 AM

If Gilbert doesn't pass the ball and get everyone involved, someone needs to leave next year. This is getting ridiculous. Tired of the team being strictly perimeter oriented and absolutely zero balance.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:21 AM

Racist? Are you kidding me? Fine Abe is fine human being, that's not being questioned. What is being questioned is how he is running his team, which is something that has ALWAYS been questioned. And as a fan of the Bullets for decades, I know this. And ok you don't think Walker would have helped the Wiz? Fine. Then draft someone that will or trade the pick for something that will help the team, not cash.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:25 AM

Wizards fans have a right to be upset over a 2nd round pick because we have absoutely no post presence on our team besides Haywood and we havn't improved in the post season for the last 3 years. Whether Walker was the pick or not, Ernie should have given that player a chance to compete. We have too many perimeter oriented players, most of which are already riding the bench. Take a chance!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:26 AM

Are you kidding me anon? With Gilbert we were one of the better offensive teams in the league. Offense is the one thing I'm not worried about next year.

Defense and leadership are my main concerns.

Posted by: amalg | June 27, 2008 12:26 AM

Bill Walker looks like a great pick and then the Wizards trade him away for cash . . . to the @#$*#@$*$#@ CELTICS!!!!! Holy crap Ernie this doesn't look like a great night for you.

Posted by: George Templeton | June 27, 2008 12:29 AM

Not to mention we traded him to Boston...

I guess they are going for a Repeat....

so are we unfortunately

Sucks to be a Wiz fan!

Posted by: LEK | June 27, 2008 12:29 AM

Defense has always been a concern for the Wiz and will continue to be a problem next season, but if you are to make it far into the playoffs, you better have a post presence offensively or someone who can score down low. What happens when shots stop falling all of a sudden? Think Kobe would have made it that far without Gasol? And Gasol doesn't know the meaning of defense. Wiz just trying to get out of the first round..that would be an accomplishment in itselt.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:31 AM

No spots? We didn't have a full roster of 15 players last season because Abe was too cheap to go over the luxury tax. Ivan, can you at least ask if the cash they got will be re-invested in the team either through the mid-level exemption or exceeding the luxury tax? Its an absolute joke that an owner can sell a pick in the NBA. Where's the benefit to the fans in that? I was actually a fan of that pick more so than our first rounder. Pitiful.....

Posted by: Oz | June 27, 2008 12:05 AM


its the wizards folks!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:32 AM

Looks like Boston made a classy move in getting Walker. They obviously saw something that we didn't. He could end up being a poor man's Josh Smith with all that ability. Nice role player to come off the bench. Sure hope Macguire brings it next season.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:33 AM

hmmmm i guess my expectations are too strong for this team. shoulda seen this one coming. id like to see how the local media will portray this.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:33 AM

How is it racist for white people to criticize a white guy (Pollin) and are calling for another white guy (Leonsis) to take over?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:33 AM

Wizards fans have a right to be upset over a 2nd round pick because we have absoutely no post presence on our team besides Haywood and we havn't improved in the post season for the last 3 years. Whether Walker was the pick or not, Ernie should have given that player a chance to compete. We have too many perimeter oriented players, most of which are already riding the bench. Take a chance!!!

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 12:26 AM

i have a feeling that there will be a big trade coming for the wiz since we haven't improve anything in today draft

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:33 AM

WAIT A MINUTE!! THIS GUY COULD TURN OUT TO BE.........PETERRRRRRR RAAAAAMOSSSSS!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:35 AM

how can tonight be portrayed in a positive light. people around the league are already calling us one of the losers in the draft. I can see it now
Ernie: were very pleased with our pick, we believe Javale has great potential and upside. We believe he will be a solid contributer to the wizards franchise.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:37 AM

Give me Elton Brand or someone please!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:38 AM

WAIT A MINUTE!! THIS GUY COULD TURN OUT TO BE.........PETERRRRRRR RAAAAAMOSSSSS!

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 12:35 AM

You're right! So lets never use a 2nd round pick ever again, that way we will never look stupid. Better yet, anytime we end up with the 1st overall pick, it might be.....KWAME BROWN! So we should immediately sell it off if we ever win the draft lottery ever again, because would the egg be on our face if we did that!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:38 AM

i think u mean 1st round pick not 2nd

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:41 AM

i think u mean 1st round pick not 2nd

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:41 AM

Unbelievable!!

Posted by: Darnell | June 27, 2008 12:43 AM

Chalmers and Hardin would've been a good draft.

Posted by: Darnell | June 27, 2008 12:44 AM

I meant 2nd because in a thread about Walker, I thought he was talking about him being a nothing 2nd round pick. But now that you mention it, he could have been comparing McGee to Party John (typing that just made me throw up on my keyboard)

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:45 AM

Pat Calathes wasn't drafted. I hope we pick him up for summer league.

Posted by: Darnell | June 27, 2008 12:49 AM

we could of got chalmers and hendrix. we xould of traded down and had 3 decent picks( better then mcgee) why trade for i would grade this draft as poop

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:51 AM

I can't believe we gave away our 2nd pick for CASH.

How does Ernie know we don't have any roster spots?? We will if Mason, Jamison and Arenas walk. We had a short roster last year! How do you pass up a Bill Walker or DeVon Hardin for nothing and get nothing??!!

Posted by: Darnell | June 27, 2008 12:53 AM

cant wait until we hear about the mcgee and blatche party squad! mcgee is a bad pick for an ej style of coaching.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:55 AM

everyone...mcGee is going to be ALOT better than people think...this is not Kwame brown and andre blatche...he's better NOW than either of those two...He has the work ethic and talent to become a GREAT NBA player...the fact that is mother is a professional basketball player who will kick his A##%%%! to become a better player will help...

Posted by: flinstone | June 27, 2008 12:58 AM

No roster spot for Walker? He would have been our 15th player. I don't understand.

Posted by: Hugh | June 27, 2008 12:59 AM

watch mcgee, blatche, and haywood constantly get into fistfights. throw etan in there on haywood. point is mcgee isnt exactly mature and is known as a coach breaker. hes pretty stubborn like blatche

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:00 AM

This is great stuff. You guys really think that a mid-second round draft pick is going to be an integral part of helping the Celtics repeat next year? Wow.

Posted by: RH | June 27, 2008 1:11 AM

Hey Gus,

You frickin' tard, I said I ignored them from 88-05 because there was nothing to cheer for, but unfortunately I've been a fan since '68 and have suffered mostly nothing but disappointment save a brief shining moment in the late 70s, so shove your johnny come lately line where the sun don't shine jackass. And only a flamin' homer retard would try to defend them after the move they just made -- trading an athletic scorer with highlight reel dunks who plays aggressive, tenacious defense for a pile of cash. Who cares if he doesn't pan out, he's got a better chance than more money in Abe's bank account.

F'in moron, you're the only one on this blog who doesn't seem to get it...

Posted by: Jim | June 27, 2008 1:13 AM

Ivan: "No roster spot for another body."

1. Gil
2. DeShawn
3. Caron
4. AJ
5. BTH
6. AD
7. Young
8. Maguire
9. Songaila
10. Blatche
11. Etan
12. Mason
13. Opec
14. McGee
15. "CASH CONSIDERATIONS" WALKER

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:14 AM

Ernie is smarter than you

Posted by: Your Mom | June 27, 2008 1:17 AM

"Also, Ernie said that 2006 second-round pick Vladimir Veremeenko is expected to play in summer league but he didn't sound too high on signing the guy."

Can you go into more detail? Why doesn't he seem high, because Veremeenko isn't ready or does he have a contract in Europe that would be hard to get out of?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:44 AM

wow, we really don't have a roster spot for another body...especially with free agency starting a couple days after the draft. We might need that roster spot to sign a free agent!!! Ernie might know something that we don't know. What if he's looking to sign another big man?

Posted by: kevin | June 27, 2008 2:19 AM

Been a Bullets/Wiz fan since about 1970. Roooted for them through thick and thin, and will continue. Unless a trade or free agent signing is imminent, there does not appear to be any advantage to dispensing of Walker for essentially nothing.

Overall, Grunfeld has done a fine job. Jamison and Arenas made this a playoff team. Butler for Brown was one of the biggest heists in NBA history. Sure, the Wiz seem to be stuck in neutral at this point, but not sure that is necessarily Grunfeld's fault.

My gut feeling tells me that the Walker situation was a decision that was out of Ernie Grunfeld's hands.

Posted by: Steve | June 27, 2008 2:25 AM

The Suns have traded their first round pick the past 2 years. Clearly they're an irrelevant team who doesn't want to win either.

Posted by: Aaron | June 27, 2008 2:35 AM

Seems like all EG could think about was Potential, Potential, Potential. I almost posted earlier this week that my biggest fear was that both McGee and Jordan would be available when 18 came up and the Wiz would take one of them. I didn't write it because then I would have to accept the possibility...and here we are.

Posted by: SportzWiz | June 27, 2008 2:39 AM

I can tell you what EG was probably thinking when he evaluated McGee. Seven footer, long wing-span, athletically thin rather than frail thin, impressive leaping ability, quick first step that leads to impressive dunks, and a soft shooting touch that could develop to be a consistent outside shot. Ernie thinks worst case: we have to develop him into a poor man's Tyson Chandler and best case: Ernie is genius and the diamond in the rough is more like Chris Bosh.
As Fans, I and many others just see Patrick O'Bryant in the making. But I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: SportzWiz | June 27, 2008 2:55 AM

Wow. It looks bad for Ernie right now but we have to remember his PROVEN track record. His last few moves have been sketchy, (i.e. JCN for nothing in return, selling a pick to a RIVAL no less!!!!) but he is the same man who turned Kwame into Caron. Let Larry walk and gave Roger more burn. And didn't bring back an overpriced role player in Jeffries. He said all along his goal was to resign Gil and Twan. And you need cash for that. Maybe that's what that was for. And unless Walker really is the 2nd coming of Vince, he'll never see the floor with that lineup in Boston.

Posted by: C.Bell | June 27, 2008 4:50 AM

Well as the poster above has pointed out... walker would have been our 15th player. I can't believe we wouldn't sign anyone new in free agency this year... meaning the roster spot is being saved for a free agent or two that ernie has in mind.... heaven forbid we get some cash for a roster spot we don't have available to begin with... ernie might actually know what he his doing.

Posted by: Dante | June 27, 2008 6:30 AM

As a long-time fan and as someone who thinks EG has done a phenomenal job, it is really difficult to see this as a good draft...

True, we were missing a healthy Gil in the playoffs, but more troubling was the way we got manhandled under the boards. We got out-physicaled (if I can invent a word), and literally destroyed, even on the defensive boards...

The LAST thing we needed was a skinny guy that multiple reports say plays soft. Did we already forget the Cleveland series?

Posted by: Psdfx | June 27, 2008 6:45 AM

I'd have liked to see Devon Hardin in the 2nd round. He's able to play some PF and is a good athlete. Cut Pech outright and get some young guys in here. Bill Walker has bad knees. No use fretting over him. I don't get trading him to the world champs but trading him is fine. He could turn out to be healthy and we already know he's athletic. Should've traded him to the West coast.
We could have had BTH, AB, Hardin and McGee. That's a lot of length and a definite answer to the Cavs interior domination and our average interior defense.

According to Chad Ford (espn), here are the positives for Hardin...

Big-time athletic big man who plays with a lot of power in the paint. Good rebounder and shot-blocker. Gets most of his points off power dunks. Excellent body and strength. Plays with aggression. Has good footwork.

..and for McGee...

Athletic big man with an excellent face-the-basket game. Long arms and explosive leaping ability make him an excellent shot-blocker and a good rebounder. Is developing a low-post game, but is still very raw. Has a reliable midrange jump shot and even some college 3-point range. Has the ability to create his own shot off the dribble. Good motor for a big man. Could be a 4 or a 5 in the league.

Chad Ford says McGee reminds him of Blatche. Why not at least take a chance on Hardin? Puzzling.

Posted by: mark | June 27, 2008 7:21 AM

I guess this kinda validates what I've been suspecting all along. We weren't looking for immediate help in this draft. Our team is set and this draft was a formality. Our plan is to resign everyone (besides possible Mason) and hope for health.

Posted by: mark | June 27, 2008 7:24 AM

REVISED:
Ivan: "No roster spot for another body."


1. Gil
2. DeShawn
3. Caron
4. AJ
5. BTH
6. AD
7. Young
8. Maguire
9. Songaila
10. Blatche
11. Etan
12. Mason
13. Opec
14. McGee
15. Veremeenko
16. "CASH CONSIDERATIONS" WALKER

Not to mention possible free agency signings and/or players acquired via trade. I've NEVER seen such b'n and moanin' before on here.....oh wait, except that time we let that JCN guy get away -- another (looks bad, but turns out to be great) trade by EG.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 7:24 AM

Anyone fretting about our draft should at least take a look at this...


http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/JaVale-McGee-1197/

Posted by: mark | June 27, 2008 7:28 AM

I know body types matter, but how sad is it for Blatche that this new skinny kid already has more muscle and definition that a going on four-year vet.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 8:02 AM

Maybe giving away a 2nd round pick for cash wasn't right. But does anyone really think the Wizards need another young player right now? I would be surprised if, come next season, the wizards are not one of the youngest teams in the league.

Posted by: Bart | June 27, 2008 8:05 AM

From ESPN draft profiles, though probably not Chad Ford, on McGee


Summary: Right now he's one of the biggest sleepers in the draft. He's still a year or two away from being ready for the NBA, but his improvement this season has been dramatic. He could go anywhere from the late lottery to late first round. Right now we have him somewhere in the middle, but with great workouts, he has the potential to crack the lottery. You aren't going to find many prospects with his combination of size, length, athleticism and basketball skills.

given the roster, assuming Arenas and Jameson resign, it is probably worth the risk as all other positions are 2 deep and he fills a void if he develops. He figures to be in the D league for a year or 2. But the pick, then sale, of Walker makes little sense, unless he Wiz are that cash strapped. Let's hope EG has a plan that clears this strategy up.

Posted by: Daydreamer | June 27, 2008 8:10 AM

Javale McGee highlights show good offense. Some blocks featured

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJilDqw8JOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSh4w-UPUk4&feature=related

Posted by: rgz | June 27, 2008 8:24 AM

I have to have EG a "C-" for this draft, generously speaking.

It's based on the fact that he was alive and did the work to call in the JaBust selection.

All in all, the entire Wiz staff could have slept through the draft and it wouldn't have made a difference.

Accepting cash for a second round pick? How about paying some cash and getting Darrell Arthur like the Blazers did?

Phil Collins: Just another groundhog day in paradise.....

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 8:24 AM

jamont gordon wasnt drfted!!! scoop him up!!

Posted by: jojo | June 27, 2008 8:27 AM

"Are you kidding me anon? With Gilbert we were one of the better offensive teams in the league. Offense is the one thing I'm not worried about next year.

Defense and leadership are my main concerns.

Posted by: amalg | June 27, 2008 12:26 AM "

Were you awake during this past season's training camp and first series of games?

During training camp, both EJ and Gilby expressed the same sentiments. They said they weren't going to spend any time on offense because they had a handle on it, and was just going to focus on defense.

Guess what, the Wiz lost the first 5 games because of offense was out of sync!!!

Then Gilby got hurt again and left.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 8:30 AM

1. Gil
2. DeShawn
3. Caron
4. AJ
5. BTH
6. AD
7. Young
8. Maguire
9. Songaila
10. Blatche
11. Etan
12. Mason
13. Opec
14. McGee
15. "CASH CONSIDERATIONS" WALKER


Posted by: | June 27, 2008 1:14 AM

Maybe it's gonna look more like this:

1. Gil
2. DeShawn
3. Caron
4. AJ
5. BTH
6. AD
7. Young
8. Maguire
9. Songaila
10. Blatche
11. Etan
12. Mason
13. Opec
14. McGee
15. FREE AGENT using the MLE


Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 8:31 AM

This venting by everyone will be short lived.

Come July 1st, EG will announce the resignings of Gilby and AJ.

Everyone will return to being fat, happy, and optimistic (except me, as I remain a realist).

Season will start and we'll bumble our way through it. I doubt if Gilby will be ready for the first game.

Come season end, it'll be down to the wire for the playoffs again.

Then more playoff pain.

Deja vu all over again.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 8:37 AM

As always, DC Man88, you're the voice of optimism

Posted by: Rook | June 27, 2008 8:39 AM

The sad thing is that EG's modus operandi for the draft was to get the best player available. Uhhh EG, how about some better focus and a draft plan?

How can you want the best player available when you have so many holes on the team, and then draft someone who doesn't help in filling any of the holes?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 8:40 AM

"As always, DC Man88, you're the voice of optimism

Posted by: Rook | June 27, 2008 8:39 AM "

Don't label me an optimist. I'm neither an optimist or pessimist. I'm a realist, as I wrote.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 8:41 AM

"How can you want the best player available when you have so many holes on the team, and then draft someone who doesn't help in filling any of the holes?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 8:40 AM "

My bad...the Bill Walker sell off did fill a hole...in Abe's pocket.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 8:42 AM

Seriously, how can Abe say he justs wants to win a championship and do stuff like this??? This is the straw that broke the cheap camels back. I am DONE with the Wizards. Everyone have fun rooting for a 2nd rate team that will never compete for a championship under Abe.

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 12:09 AM

Good riddance. No big loss. Doesn't sound like you were much of a fan anyway.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 27, 2008 8:46 AM

88, You forgot the part about JaVale McGee coming in and neutralizing the Cav advantage by blocking LeBron's first 3 drives to the hoop.

"After properly timing his leap to coincide with LeBron's third step, rookie JaVale McGee cleanly rejects the King's first three offerings. A frustrated James, (holding his lip, arm, and groin after each shot and wincing in pain) muttered obscenities to the referees while running back down court well after each play."


And for the record, I never predicted the Wiz would go to the Finals as you keep stating. I said they have the talent to go to the Finals and I still believe it.

Posted by: mark | June 27, 2008 8:46 AM

Most of you a whiney punks. This draft was never going to have more than a marginal impact on the team. What player were they going to get at 18 that would have a real impact on the team in the next few years anyway? I approve these decisions simply because, when it comes to evaluating talent, EG has earned the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: kwamesnani | June 27, 2008 8:46 AM

I still don't understand why some ae mad about giving up a guy that wouldn't get any pt. Walker is a great athlete when healthy but did anyone seriously think that we'd keep a guy who relies on athleticism who'd just tore his meniscus a couple weeks ago and and has had knee surgeries prior to that?
Not really defending Abe but he's not one of the wealthiest owners in the league. Abe is about to give out a HUGE sum to keep Gilbert and Antawn..probably close to 25-28 million a year. How can we blame him for asking for a little cash for a injured project?

Posted by: mark | June 27, 2008 8:50 AM

Gus, how are we dumber for getting mad that the Wiz just gave away a player for nothing that helps the team? How is that dumb? Did they get another player? No. Did they get another pick? No. They got cash. Let's see them post that cash in the paint and see if it can defend or score.

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 12:12 AM

What part of "no room on the roster for another body" did you not understand? Would it have made more sense to draft a guy in the second round and keep him, knowing that you'd eventually have to cut him and get nothing in return?

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 27, 2008 8:50 AM

The wizards had an absouloute steal with walker, i hope plan on gooding a good free agent like elton brand or something.

Posted by: brad | June 27, 2008 8:52 AM

Hey Gus,

You frickin' tard, I said I ignored them from 88-05 because there was nothing to cheer for, but unfortunately I've been a fan since '68 and have suffered mostly nothing but disappointment save a brief shining moment in the late 70s, so shove your johnny come lately line where the sun don't shine jackass. And only a flamin' homer retard would try to defend them after the move they just made -- trading an athletic scorer with highlight reel dunks who plays aggressive, tenacious defense for a pile of cash. Who cares if he doesn't pan out, he's got a better chance than more money in Abe's bank account.

F'in moron, you're the only one on this blog who doesn't seem to get it...

Posted by: Jim | June 27, 2008 1:13 AM


POST OF THE YEAR!

Posted by: MY VOTE | June 27, 2008 8:55 AM

I read the McGee report on draft express and watched the You Tube videos. For those of us who felt that Hibbert could contribute more now, which is probably true but now irrelevant since he was off the board one pick before ours, all we can do is look for the potentially real silver lining here.

What I read and saw about McGee was consistent with the previous poster's comment about "a poor man's Tyson Chandler" ... and we can afford to bring him in slowly behind BTH who was himself a 22nd pick... if McGee is even 80% of Chandler he will be a big plus; if he equals or exceeds Chandler, and he appears to have the shooting skills to do that, well then lots of people will be eating their words.

The grade as of now? C or perhaps better... Incomplete.

And finally, if management uses those "cash considerations" received from Boston for Bill Walker to offset the tax on going over the cap to sign a free agent to the mid-level exemption, the grade may get somewhat higher, somewhat sooner.

Posted by: khrabb | June 27, 2008 9:01 AM

You can't really compare Tyson Chandler to McGee. TC wasn't the player he is now until CP3 got into the mix. CP3 makes TC's life much easier.

You really think McGee is going to get those kind of looks and touches and opportunity here?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 9:04 AM

Draftexpress has a pretty good article 'Just by the Numbers', which is exactly that, the stats of on-floor production.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Just-By-The-Numbers--Evaluating-This-Year-s-Center-Crop-2941/

Of course there are no numbers to represent how defense-oriented they are other than steals and blocks. So take these for what they are.
Interestingly there is a mystery man who looks pretty good on paper (at least to me) who was never mentioned in the draft blogs - Aleks Maric a graduate of Nebraska. Maybe he can't jump?

Posted by: rgz | June 27, 2008 9:05 AM

jose...where are you?

Do you think if EG had any brains that he could have traded Billy Walker for Beasley or OJ Mayo?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 9:06 AM

Why is Ernie Grunfeld considered such a graet GM. Yeah, I know the guy made some excellent trades but his drafting has been horrible, to say the least.

This McGee dude does have a great "upside", but I really don't see how adding another 7ft. project to your roster, and doesn't that Russian guy fit the same mold? And while I wasn't to sold on the Walker pick, I think he could've traded him for, lets say, a point guard. But getting nothing back but cash doesn't seem the better thing to do.

Why would they need cash anyway? What could a team use the cash for? Players? Trades? Free Agents? Fixing the urinals?

Posted by: stofan | June 27, 2008 9:07 AM

"88, You forgot the part about JaVale McGee coming in and neutralizing the Cav advantage by blocking LeBron's first 3 drives to the hoop.

"After properly timing his leap to coincide with LeBron's third step, rookie JaVale McGee cleanly rejects the King's first three offerings. A frustrated James, (holding his lip, arm, and groin after each shot and wincing in pain) muttered obscenities to the referees while running back down court well after each play."


And for the record, I never predicted the Wiz would go to the Finals as you keep stating. I said they have the talent to go to the Finals and I still believe it.

Posted by: mark | June 27, 2008 8:46 AM "

Please...the downfall of your argument is the assumption that McGee's behind will ever leave the bench.

I know you believe it, but then again, you are that gullible.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 9:08 AM

A brief shining moment in the late 1970's?

For a period of about 10 years the Bullets were one of the toughest most consistant playoff teams in the NBA.

At 18 you take what you get based on how the draft shakes out. I'm not big on drafting need over talent, but developing another center is probably this team's biggest need.

Grunfeld apparently wasn't the only guy worried about Darrell's health.

Early prediction, McGee will not be a bust. I've seen the guy play a few times and like someone else said earlier, the second half of the season he really came on. Body type he reminds me of Tyson Chandler. Big difference is the kid doesn't fancy himself as a face the basket 7' small forward like Tyson did when he came in the league.

Once Chandler realized his role in this league was in the paint and set his mind to it he became a big time rebounding, defensive, and shotblocking center.

McGee already has a little bit of a post game, decent feet, and soft hands. And he is really long. He's also no Manute Bol, he's carrying 237 lbs on his 7' frame and Bol had trouble ever getting to that weight on his 7'6" frame in his entire career. This kid is a 20 yr old, there is no reason that he won't fill out.

People complain and complain about defense on this board all the time. Defense starts from the inside out. Your guards can't get up in somebody's grill unless they know there's help behind them.

A second unit with McGee, McGuire, and Blatche would present some really long shotblockers in the front court.

At 18 in the draft I'll take a hard working 7' any day of the week. I was hoping for Hibbert, but never thought he'd drop to us. If Arenas and Jamison are resigned this is still a solid playoff team with a young improving bench.

By stockpiling frontline help Ernie is setting the stage for Caron to see some time at the two if Young doesn't emerge as a starter this year.

This team can still get a lot better if healthy. Glad I didn't come on here last night. A good nights sleep, a morning cup of coffee, and the night doesn't look nearly as bad as the daily wizard haters wanted to make it sound.

Posted by: GM | June 27, 2008 9:09 AM

Can't understand how people are getting all worked up over Bill Walker....he has a history of SERIOUS knee injuries and reinjured the same knee during workouts. Word was he had signed with an agent and couldn't opt out of the draft. The Wiz were looking to trade the pick and couldn't get any takers.

Do any of the upset posters really think that EG doesn't have some other moves he is contemplating and wanted to keep a roster spot or two open? A sign and trade of Gilbert may result in a starting PG and a veteran PF/Center. It's too early to say McGee was a bad pick until after we sign or don't resign Arenas and Jamison.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 27, 2008 9:11 AM

All I have to say is, if this guy McGee turns out to be a player, a lot of the posters here are going to look awfully silly. Everyone needs to just take a deep breath and relax. You can't really evaluate a draft in any sport until at least a year or two down the road. This negative reaction reminds me of how the Eagles fans booed the selection of Donovan McNabb over Ricky Williams, and criticized the Eagles' brass. How did that one work out? I'm not saying that McGee will be an all-pro like McNabb, I'm just saying give the guy a chance before you re-name him "JaBust."

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 27, 2008 9:20 AM

everyone just needs to relax man...you can't get much from draft night. even if you have a can't miss at the top of the draft you won't now that night if it pans out. i don't really like the moves but i'm not going to jump off a bridge or call people names.

the youngs (blatche, young...) have to step it up next year or ernie has to make a move. i don't like potential...

Posted by: hibachi | June 27, 2008 9:22 AM

"Did you ask Ernie when they were going to get someone competent to run the draft?"

Good question. It always kills me how the good teams draft the guys the Wizards just can't draft. I couldn't help thinking that Arthur kid and a guy like Gist from MD go to really good teams and the Wiz draft Manute the II.

I guess the Wiz are satisfied with mediocrity.

They should have just done a "pass" like Ivan's Vikings did a few years back in the NFL draft.

Remember that Ivan????? ;)

If they were concerned about roster spots then they should have traded both picks and a body or two(ala Baron Davis or Elton Brand). I've always been behind EG, but the team has gone as far as it can go with the roster they have.

This was a sad, sad, draft.....

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 27, 2008 9:22 AM

Javale McGee highlights show good offense. Some blocks featured

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJilDqw8JOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSh4w-UPUk4&feature=related


Posted by: rgz | June 27, 2008 8:24 AM

RGZ thanks for the link because I had never seen the youngsta play before. Man, did I like what I saw. Yea I know I have to look at the level of competition, but dang the dude looks like he has some AB skills but is more polished and bigger.

I think EG just got a "steal". As for all of the talk about the 2nd round pick traded for cash, what the heck is the big deal?? The dude would have seen "NO TIME" anyway because the roster is stacked with frontcourt players!!

EG is probably trying to hold that one last spot for a quick silver backup point guard he can find via free agency. Can't think of the point guard we had over here last summer that went to Europe, but he was nothing but the truth. We have way to many frontcourt players so that 2nd round pick did not mean anything.

Lastly, lets all hope this is the year Abe finally does turns the team over to Teddy "L" so we can at least then field a true "15 man roster" with "3" point guards active and not "2" because we are afraid of going over the luxary tax........??

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | June 27, 2008 9:25 AM

I would like to officially start the fire EG website. I hate our entire roster except for caron and maybe blatche and young. Our front office is pathetic. Year in and year out same garbage. So tired of it. I AM ASHAMED TO BE A WIZARDS FAN ONCE AGAIN!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:26 AM

Maybe the drafting of McGee will light a fire under Blatche's a$$?

Hard to say. EG must have some plan for free agency...

Posted by: Lou | June 27, 2008 9:26 AM

I don't know if McGee is any good, but what concerns me is that Ernie has chosen the same player three times: Blatche, Pecherov, and now McGee. Actually, you might be able to add Veremeenko to that list. All tall, skinny, decent ball handlers and perimeter shooters for their size.

I'm reminded of a Jason LaCanfora post after the Redskins' draft, where, in response to Vinny's claims that all the receivers they picked were rated highest on their board, Jason went through the history of how the Redskins have tended to overvalue receivers. It might be the same thing with Ernie: He overvalues the tall, multi-skilled (offensively) players, so surprise, surprise, they are always at or near the top of his "best player available" board.

The flip side is that with the three beanpoles on board, it gives Ernie flexibility to move one of them.

Posted by: Red | June 27, 2008 9:29 AM

"By stockpiling frontline help Ernie is setting the stage for Caron to see some time at the two if Young doesn't emerge as a starter this year."

GM, Young is definately an upgrade to Stevenson but will never see time behind him. Then if you play Caron some at the 2 Young never sees the floor.

You also have to factor in that we're talking about Eddie Jordan here and his bench rotations.

I dunno, at this moment I see the Wiz 5th or 6th in the East and out in the first or second round again next year. I hope I am wrong, but it seems like "just making the playoffs" is all EG wants to do.

"No roster spots" and "we just need to stay healthy" are lame excuses if you ask me. If I'm Jamison, I have to think long and hard about signing a long term deal in Washington.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 27, 2008 9:30 AM

EG makes me sick. I hope we sign gil and jamison and dont make the playoffs so EG and EJ can both get fired and then we can finally start taking steps in the right direction.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:32 AM

"The flip side is that with the three beanpoles on board, it gives Ernie flexibility to move one of them."

That's the thing Red, it doesn't look like he's trying to move any of them.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 27, 2008 9:32 AM

Is the cash added to a team's salary cap?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:34 AM

I doubt Abe had any input on the decision to trade Bill Walker.We're talking about the 47th pick. He ain't gonna be rookie of the year. And Leonsis has run one of the cheapest operations in the NHL for years now. Congrats, they made the playoffs this year, but ahem, they were one and done.
Lets see if Walker is even on a roster on November 1. I've never seen McGee play, so I'll withhold judgement until summer league at least.

Posted by: bowiemd1 | June 27, 2008 9:34 AM

I wrote a post like this last year, but feel the need to do it again.

I LOVE the NBA draft. Look forward to it for months ahead of time. And then when it comes around, I have to endure a night of Stuart Scott, Screamin' A., and Dick Vitale until I've almost lost the will to live. Is there anyone worse at their job than Stuart Scott? How did he rise to such prominence at ESPN? If the standards at ESPN applied to my company, I would be President and CEO.

AND, let's say you have just been picked in the NBA draft, the culmination of a life-long dream. Your reward? An incredibly embarrassing and awkward interview with Steven A. Smith. My heart broke for those poor kids as they had to sit there and talk with that clown after the most exciting moment of their lives.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:36 AM

McGee is trade bait.

Money gained was to re-sign Roger Mason.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:36 AM

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 9:36 AM

take you and your racist comments somewhere else, arsehole.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:38 AM

Ivan:
An obvious question for Ernie:

Why did you sell the 2nd round pick? Did you try to trade it for a future 2nd round pick?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:38 AM

Other questions:

Is the team short on cash or having any financial problems? Did you consider selling the 1st round pick?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:39 AM

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 9:36 AM

"take you and your racist comments somewhere else, arsehole."


How on earth were those comments racist?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:41 AM

"And Leonsis has run one of the cheapest operations in the NHL for years now. Congrats, they made the playoffs this year, but ahem, they were one and done.
Lets see if Walker is even on a roster on November 1. I've never seen McGee play, so I'll withhold judgement until summer league at least.

Posted by: bowiemd1 | June 27, 2008 9:34 AM "

It's silly to compare the NBA to the NHL. The NHL just had a strike a few years ago, and by far, the NHL doesn't have the revenue streams that the NBA does.

The NHL is more popular in Canada than in the US.

When fans cheer "MVP" at the VC, they'll be cheering for Ovenchkin...no one else.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 9:43 AM

"EG makes me sick. I hope we sign gil and jamison and dont make the playoffs so EG and EJ can both get fired and then we can finally start taking steps in the right direction.

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 9:32 AM "

Extreme....but I hear ya...

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 9:45 AM

I hate being a wizards fan

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:47 AM

"All I have to say is, if this guy McGee turns out to be a player, a lot of the posters here are going to look awfully silly. Everyone needs to just take a deep breath and relax. You can't really evaluate a draft in any sport until at least a year or two down the road. This negative reaction reminds me of how the Eagles fans booed the selection of Donovan McNabb over Ricky Williams, and criticized the Eagles' brass. How did that one work out? I'm not saying that McGee will be an all-pro like McNabb, I'm just saying give the guy a chance before you re-name him "JaBust."

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 27, 2008 9:20 AM "

Yeah, we'll all be wrong too when Kwame becomes the NBA MVP...

or when LaBradford Smith comes out of retirement and wins 7 rings, 1 more than MJ.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 9:48 AM

Everyone calm down. EG's body of work as a GM has been very good especially after when looking at it compared to the works of Wes and Bob which left the franchise in shambles.

Everyone was down bigtime on EG big time on JCN and the signing of DStev. Look how that panned out.

Yes, this doesn't look promising on paper since we needed to muscle up and got another skinny young 7 footer and there were other better looking prospects out there and he traded a promising prospect for cash (instead of at least a draft pick) but consider this - It's very difficult to project how a player is going to pan out no matter how good they look in HS or college. That's why in drafts across all sports, I feel that assigning a grade right after the draft is a sham. How do you know how they will turn out until they play? Such and such is a great post up player, or has great lateral movement. So what? Let's see it over a season and then grade the draft.

Posted by: jjames | June 27, 2008 9:48 AM

What part of "no room on the roster for another body" did you not understand? Would it have made more sense to draft a guy in the second round and keep him, knowing that you'd eventually have to cut him and get nothing in return?

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 27, 2008 8:50 AM

1. Butler
2. Stevenson
3. Haywood
4. Blatche
5. Daniels
6. Young
7. Songalia
8. Thomas
9. Pecherov
10. McGuire
11. Mcgee

That's who is on the team. 11 people. All you people saying "no room" are failing to see that we have 4 roster spots left and we are not re-signing Mason. Arenas and Jamison make 12 and 13. That's 2 more spots. Plus if you are going to use that excuse, you can always draft a foreign player that you can stash for years, but you know, someone that can actually help a team.

and someone compared the us to the suns selling off their picks. Because they have won soooooo many championships. wait, they come up short because they have no bench....i wonder if all those picks would have helped that

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:57 AM

Yeah, we'll all be wrong too when Kwame becomes the NBA MVP...

=========================

i wonder how much Kwame will get as a free agent? if he's cheap now, he's could be exactly what the bullets need. a really big strong guy who can give 6 fouls, get a few rebounds and never score. if he could do that and have a good attitude, i for one can forget he was a number one........

Posted by: stevie | June 27, 2008 10:07 AM

know the team will look like this
1. Arenas
2. Stevenson
3. Butler
4. Jamison
5. Haywood
6. Daniels
7. Blatche
8. Songaila
9. Young
10.McGuire
11.Pecherov
12.McGee
13.Thomas
14.Flip Murray(free-agent signing can play both guard positions)
we dont have to fill the whole roster

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:09 AM

1. Gil
2. DeShawn
3. Caron
4. AJ
5. BTH
6. AD
7. Young
8. Maguire
9. Songaila
10. Blatche
11. buyout of the Poet!!!!! Voila, a roster spot.
12. Mason
13. Opec
14. McGee
15. FREE AGENT using the MLE

Posted by: Found a spot | June 27, 2008 10:09 AM

And finally, if management uses those "cash considerations" received from Boston for Bill Walker to offset the tax on going over the cap to sign a free agent to the mid-level exemption, the grade may get somewhat higher, somewhat sooner.

Posted by: khrabb | June 27, 2008 9:01 AM

Cash from selling the rights to a draft pick does not come "off the cap" or "off the luxury tax"...

It just goes into the Team's general fund. (owner's pocket)

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:15 AM

we should just cut pech and kept walker. pech is useless and always will be. what did the wiz see in that clown?

Posted by: T | June 27, 2008 10:19 AM

Let's look at at it half full - McGee's "The Big Secret!"

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:20 AM

Is the cash added to a team's salary cap?

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 9:34 AM


NO

Posted by: Rook | June 27, 2008 10:22 AM

WORST BLOG EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | June 27, 2008 10:25 AM

Tyson Chandler, although taken as a HS player, took 7 years to get to where he is today - still pretty incomplete as a player but fits in w/ NO cause of Paul and West complimenting him.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:25 AM

GM, nice post. Everyone needs to take a breath. With Lopez, Speights and Hibbert gone, what should the Wiz have done? I'd rather take a 7-footer with a 7'6 wingspan and lots of potential than yet another undersized 4. If just one of those guys pans out (McGee, Pech, Blatche), the Wiz will be in good shape, after re-signing Gil and Tawn. There just weren't a lot of options, folks.

Posted by: Keithinator | June 27, 2008 10:26 AM

bulletsfever.com had a good summary (that reflected my feelings, at least):

"Teams that are able to find contributors late in the draft have such a huge advantage over those who keep rolling the dice looking for a superstar instead of getting the role player right in front of them. Those that are successful take advantage of this opportunity. In his tenure as Wizards GM, Ernie Grunfeld has not done that, with the exception of the Nick Young pick last year. This time, with potential role players in J.J. Hickson, Mario Chalmers and Darrell Arthur around to potentially plug major holes on this team (rebounding, post scoring, perimeter defense), Ernie decided to roll the dice on some crazy big man project from Nevada. That doesn't exactly inspire confidence."

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:28 AM

"Everyone calm down. EG's body of work as a GM has been very good"


His draft record has proven to be pathetic. This is just another in the long line of pathetic botched picks. Grunfeld is a solid GM when it comes to trades/FA. Hes even a little overrated at that but when it comes to drafting he is absolutely abismal. There is no way anyone in their right mind can get excited about this pick. Its the same thing every year and it gets old. I watch all the teams in the east make power moves and EG is to scared to do anything.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:31 AM

Not too bad info on McGee, since ending the season at 228 pounds and working out, cardio and weight room (4 days a week) he's up to 241 at the weigh in Orlando. Maybe he's added a few more since then. He still has a thin upper body with a decent low base - a Yao Ming build.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:31 AM

"His draft record has proven to be pathetic. This is just another in the long line of pathetic botched picks. Grunfeld is a solid GM when it comes to trades/FA. Hes even a little overrated at that but when it comes to drafting he is absolutely abismal. There is no way anyone in their right mind can get excited about this pick. Its the same thing every year and it gets old. I watch all the teams in the east make power moves and EG is to scared to do anything.

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 10:31 AM "

Forget the draft...as it was forgettable...

EG is going to have to earn his money come July 1 when free agency starts...and I don't mean the hum drum resigning of Gilby and AJ.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 10:37 AM

88, It's a joke. Lighten up, dude. I'm the one that's been complaining for 3 years about Eddie to using young players. I'm only as gullible as you are jaded.

Posted by: mark | June 27, 2008 10:38 AM

"we should just cut pech and kept walker. pech is useless and always will be. what did the wiz see in that clown?

Posted by: T | June 27, 2008 10:19 AM "

I wonder when we're going to start hearing stories again about how great a "gym rat" Opech is and how much of an impact he's going to provide.

I haven't seen OPech do a single thing in any game, summer or regular season, that can help the Wiz patch its holes.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 10:40 AM

Blatche, Pech, and McGee are interchangeable parts. Tall, skinny, with pretty good quickness. They can't play big minutes at C or SF, but they can manage for a possession or two at a time, if the matchup isn't too bad. Maybe being able to switch off on different trips down the floor would allow them to be effective together for some quality minutes.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:44 AM

"88, It's a joke. Lighten up, dude. I'm the one that's been complaining for 3 years about Eddie to using young players. I'm only as gullible as you are jaded.

Posted by: mark | June 27, 2008 10:38 AM "

Sorry dude...I back up my comments about Gilby with facts. If you can't face the facts, then you'll continue to think the Wiz are a "finals team," despite 3 consecutive seasons of one and done.

Funny, Stuart Scott described the Wiz as such right before our picks were announced....

"can't get out of the first round of the playoffs.."

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 10:48 AM

"His draft record has proven to be pathetic."

2nd round picks by EG since 2000
2007 Dominic McGuire
2005 Andray Blatche
2003 Steve Blake
2000 Michael Redd
2002 Dan Gadzuric

finding 5 contributors (and one All Star) in 8 2nd round picks is pretty damn good and a far cry from pathetic.

Posted by: MIchael Redd begsto differ on pathetic | June 27, 2008 10:49 AM

"Blatche, Pech, and McGee are interchangeable parts. Tall, skinny, with pretty good quickness. They can't play big minutes at C or SF, but they can manage for a possession or two at a time, if the matchup isn't too bad. Maybe being able to switch off on different trips down the floor would allow them to be effective together for some quality minutes.

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 10:44 AM "

You seriously think EJ is going to give all 3 of these guys minutes together?

Don't forget to add DMac and VV and Etan to the equation....6 guys who can't do much.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 10:50 AM

At first I was put off by that second for cash as well, but we haven't drafted a second rounder that has worked out yet.

Don't forget you have to keep a space open for those summer leaguers to fight for. Picking a PG that works hard that you haven't seen yet might be better than some random guaranteed spot second rounder in the draft that you've not been able to work out.

Posted by: Don | June 27, 2008 10:50 AM

"Cash from selling the rights to a draft pick does not come "off the cap" or "off the luxury tax"...

"It just goes into the Team's general fund. (owner's pocket)

Where it can then be used to pay off any luxury tax obligations that are accrued by going over the tax ceiling in signing a FA.

Posted by: kalorama | June 27, 2008 10:54 AM

"finding 5 contributors (and one All Star) in 8 2nd round picks is pretty damn good and a far cry from pathetic.

Posted by: MIchael Redd begsto differ on pathetic | June 27, 2008 10:49 AM "

Let's not "give credit" to EG for picking Blake.

Blake was selected by Unfeld/Abe after MJ was dismissed and BEFORE they could hire a GM.

Blake is able to run a team and is in a better situation now. In fact, it was EG who let him go.

Blake is in Portland, a team which PAID MONEY TO GET DARRELL ARTHUR, rather than ship a pick out for change.

Steve Blake: 8.5 pts, 5.1 assists last season.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 10:54 AM

We needed to save a roster spot for a third PG. EG must not have liked anything he saw on the board, so he just took the best player available as a bargaining chip to try to trade with another team to fill the third PG spot. Nobody offered anything good, so he just sold the pick to the highest bidder.

Instead of depending on another rookie, we'll bring in a steady, seasoned veteran to fill the third PG role. Someone with a good work ethic to set a good example for the youngsters. Someone with a steady hand to keep those youngsters in line if he ever has to play meaningful minutes for us.

I'd look for a small, quick PG from the NBDL. Hopefully, he never sees the court, but at least he can teach GA and AD how defend against the little guys that always seem to run circles around them.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:55 AM

"Where it can then be used to pay off any luxury tax obligations that are accrued by going over the tax ceiling in signing a FA.

Posted by: kalorama | June 27, 2008 10:54 AM "

Abe don't pay luxury tax. He receives luxury taxes benes. Therefore, he will be keeping the money.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 10:55 AM

SIGN JAMONT GORDON!!! DUDE CAN PLAY

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:56 AM

Why in the hell does it matter if we have a full roster or not? We used a 7 man rotation in the playoffs and got run over in the playoffs. Jordan keeps it close to the vest in crunch time and our guys are beat up, hurt and exhausted. That's what we need to fix.

Posted by: Rich in MD | June 27, 2008 10:57 AM

we are going to regret passing on beasley for a long time. mayo too

Posted by: jose | June 27, 2008 10:57 AM

Any word on how much $$ we sold Bill Walker for???

Posted by: Brian | June 27, 2008 10:58 AM

"I guess this kinda validates what I've been suspecting all along. We weren't looking for immediate help in this draft. Our team is set and this draft was a formality. Our plan is to resign everyone (besides possible Mason) and hope for health."

That wasn't exactly a Scooby Doo style mystery waiting to be solved. We've know that was the plan for months.

Posted by: kalorama | June 27, 2008 10:58 AM

"We needed to save a roster spot for a third PG. EG must not have liked anything he saw on the board, so he just took the best player available as a bargaining chip to try to trade with another team to fill the third PG spot. Nobody offered anything good, so he just sold the pick to the highest bidder.

Instead of depending on another rookie, we'll bring in a steady, seasoned veteran to fill the third PG role. Someone with a good work ethic to set a good example for the youngsters. Someone with a steady hand to keep those youngsters in line if he ever has to play meaningful minutes for us.

I'd look for a small, quick PG from the NBDL. Hopefully, he never sees the court, but at least he can teach GA and AD how defend against the little guys that always seem to run circles around them.

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 10:55 AM "

Sorry, but the "best player available" was Darrell Arthur.

Darrell Arthur was supposed to be a top 15 pick but dropped because of concerns with his kidney.

Darrell Arthur said in his post selection interview that he squashed those concerns when he took a blood test for the Wiz, but of course, the Wiz did not broadcast this news.

Now that the news is out, that means Darrell Arthur's value is way higher than where he was drafted..higher than our 18.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 10:58 AM

As for Chandler, CP3 isn't padding his rebound (4th in the league) totals. Chandler is aided by the alley oops, sure, but he has worked to make himself into a player. We should give him some credit.

Also, I think the Pistons have proven that long lanky players can make a good defense great. Neither Rasheed, Prince, or McDyess are prototypical, low post big men but those long arms work wonders on defense.

Posted by: mark | June 27, 2008 10:59 AM

Darrell Arthur was not available with our 2nd round pick. Duh.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 11:00 AM

The problem is not having too many young guys on the team. The problem is that the Wizards are not known to build a learning environment around their young players. Particularly kids who are one or two years out of high school will be lost and need a lot of basketball guidance (except maybe if you're Lebron or Kobe) as well as character building guidance. The Wizards school of hard knocks, at least to an ignorant observer like me and the rest of this forum is one of "sit on the bench and watch", "make one mistake and you're out".

My opinion is that Caron Butler needs to take more of an interest in the young guys and do some on court coaching and off court guidance. The example shown by Gilbert Arenas' shooting contests does not build any character other than encourage a "watch me I'm a star" egocentric attitudes.

There's got to be a training program year round for the younger players, that is a "training future stars" type of thing, and kicked off prior to the summer league.

Posted by: rgz | June 27, 2008 11:07 AM

McGee has a build where he can put a lot of weight on without losing much quickness whereas Blatche is more skilled and it kinda looks easy to him, but he's not explosive like McGee is.

Many of the better post defenders are actually leaner guys, recall Detroit's recent championship and good defensive teams. All of those guys were skinny or lean except for Big Ben who really was a workout warrior but not that heavy. Maxiell is the only thick guy and he didn't play many minutes before and still not even that much this past season. Looking at that roster, nobody except for Maxiell weighs over 250lbs. Dumars likes his post guys to work in the weight room for strength but to stay lean and mobile as they can be much better swarming/help defense.

Some guys are lean but can be really strong after hitting the weights - like Jermaine O'Neal, KG, Sheed, Zo when they were all young entering the league. Their bodies filled out as they got older. McGee has that chance as an explosive 5.

Blatche is a natural 4 who can fill out a little but will not be that strong nor explosive, but is extremely skillful if he is motivated. He really didn't that bad a year, a little uneven, but for the amount of minutes he got - he showed a lot. Now he just needs to improve even more when given the chance, if he doesn't destroy his career with more stupid immature mistakes off the court.

As of last season, Pesh was a chucker, maybe thinking that was the only way he was going to contribute to his team when on the floor. He's not super tough, but he can play some post and definitely can rebound decently well when he's there. Also the very very few times he actually didn't shoot the ball and faked, he showed he could drive to the hoop and it wasn't at a snail's pace. He needs much more seasoning and less chucking. Might be pressing to show his main shooting strenghth instead of slowing down and playing within himself a bit more. Too early to say he's a bust right now, though.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 11:09 AM

"The example shown by Gilbert Arenas' shooting contests does not build any character other than encourage a "watch me I'm a star" egocentric attitudes.

There's got to be a training program year round for the younger players, that is a "training future stars" type of thing, and kicked off prior to the summer league.

Posted by: rgz | June 27, 2008 11:07 AM "

LMAO!

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 11:09 AM

Jamont, chill out, we know that's you.

I've calmed down a bit from last night and will wait to see what they do in Free Agency. For everyone saying there's no spot, he's a 2nd rounder and wouldn't have had a guaranteed contract, so take him to camp and let him compete! You're not limited to 15 players in camp, you're only limited to 15 players on the roster...

What upset me the most was the principle of it, trading a player for cash, but if they spend it on an outside FA (NOT Gil, AJ, or Mason) to help the club then I'll reconsider my opposition to the move but still don't like it on principle. If they do nothing significant in FA after these moves in the draft, then it's clear they're happy being one & done. And just FYI, I had no problem with the McGhee pick (though I think we had a lot bigger needs to fill then another raw, skinny 7-footer years away from helping), my reaction was entirely based on the principle of trading a player for cash (let alone to an in-conference rival and reigning NBA champs). So let's see what they do with the newly found treasure...

Posted by: Jim | June 27, 2008 11:14 AM

"Darrell Arthur was not available with our 2nd round pick. Duh.

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 11:00 AM "

DA was available at the 18th pick and was eventually picked up by NO at 27. Much stuff has gone on since, and now he's owned by Memphis.

EG should call Memphis and tell them they can keep that stupid conditional first rounder for JCN and send us DA instead.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 11:16 AM

Hey, guess what?

Not only did Miami draft Beasley, but now they have the rights to Chalmers.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 11:25 AM

if your just going to give away a pick for cash you might as well just invest in a european player with that 2nd rd pick that wont come over here for another 3-5 years. How long until Leonsis owns the Wiz?????

Posted by: GRAHAM | June 27, 2008 11:27 AM

Ivan, what happened there last night? Is this really the best Ernie and his band of merrymen could come up with? We got Stuie and Blatche, both works in progress, already on the bench. And neither of them are REALLY ready to contribute on a nightly basis. So, what the hell was that last night? Was there no one we could have traded for to get an experienced player. Is there any evidence that Blatche is working on his game this summer? Why would we get another work in progress type of players. This team is loaded with those type of players already! I, like a lot of other fans, are thoroughly disappoingted and disheartened.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 11:27 AM

MIchael Redd begsto differ on pathetic

EG didnt draft balke....and there is one other proven comodity on ur list. Where are all the 1st round busts he has taken over the years? Just b/c he got lucky one year doesnt make him a genius. Look at his overall draft record from NY, the bucks and washington and you tell me he drafts well. Its god awful. EG is overrated to say the least. One good trade and people kneel at his feet like he is god. Im looking forward to the wizards crumbling this year so EG and EJ can get fired together.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 11:27 AM

"Also, I think the Pistons have proven that long lanky players can make a good defense great. Neither Rasheed, Prince, or McDyess are prototypical, low post big men but those long arms work wonders on defense.

Posted by: mark | June 27, 2008 10:59 AM "

Really? I hope you're not implying that Opech is going to become Bill Walton.

Opech is not a gym rat. He's a gym skunk. He stinks.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 11:27 AM


Anyone noticed how sweaty EG's hair was when he gave the McGee press conference? All that sweat didn't correlate into any real signficant moves to improve the team.

Walker for cash??? Very absurd. How about get next season's 2nd round pick from Boston at least?!?!

Posted by: Baller4Life | June 27, 2008 11:28 AM


Opech has a hunched back or hunched posture...not necessarily a good sign of athletcism..usually people with that posture are slow footed or limited in certain areas phyiscally. He stunk real bad in last year's summer league. It was painful to watch, but hilarious at the same time.

Posted by: Baller4Life | June 27, 2008 11:32 AM

what are we gonna do with another pick next yr? abe won't go over the luxury tax so trading it for cash was the only logical choice.

Posted by: G$ | June 27, 2008 11:33 AM

And Leonsis has run one of the cheapest operations in the NHL for years now. Congrats, they made the playoffs this year, but ahem, they were one and done.

Posted by: bowiemd1 | June 27, 2008 9:34 AM

Bowiemd1 - Hockey is not Teddy "L's" first love, Basketball is his passion. He "HAD TO TAKE THE CAPITALS" to get the keys to the Wizards his "true love". He just did not realize Abe was going to string him along for all of these years by still holding on to them.

Abe was losing money on the Caps and he wanted to unload them. The only way he could do that was to promise first crack on the Wizards. Who would have thought he would still be holding on to them after all of these years. Teddy "L" is not happy right now, but once he gets his hands on the Wiz look the heck out. Money will not be a problem anymore.......

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | June 27, 2008 11:34 AM

Why folks hating on Pech? He has been hurt and hasn't had a chance to show anything. he has shown some decent rebounding skill, though. Kal, I know I stated the obvious about our plan but others here must have been expecting more. Otherwise, there wouldn't be so much angst over the draft.

Posted by: mark | June 27, 2008 11:35 AM

Pech might be ok in a situation where he's a spot player...humpback notwithstanding.

Posted by: mark | June 27, 2008 11:36 AM

"Pech might be ok in a situation where he's a spot player...humpback notwithstanding."

Mark - Hahaha. I liked that latter part of your reply.

Posted by: Baller4Life | June 27, 2008 11:39 AM

RELAX!!!!!. Mcgee will do just fine, read usa today's article on centers dated 6/23/08 JaVale runs the court well,has "O" skills and has the wingspan to be a defensive imtimidator,listen given our draft position(18) it was clear we were not going to get an impact player.Speights and Hibbert were both gone so EG took the next best available player. This kid has what many scouts consider an excellent BB IQ, he comes from a good family,and is not a knucklehead(see Andray Blatche) so lets wait for the summer league. The Bill Walker trade was a cash thing all the way,he may be headed for NBDL if doesn't make the Celts,or Europe.

Posted by: dargregmag@aol.com | June 27, 2008 11:40 AM


There were deals to be done draft night by EG.

Look at what the NJ Nets, Bobcats, Portland, Indiana, Toronto, and, yes, Boston did.

They managed to work some type of magic and cobble some deals.

Posted by: Baller4Life | June 27, 2008 11:42 AM

99% of the people slamming the McGee pick have never seen the kid play. You people are pathetic. You're relying on draft "scouting reports" written by stoned 22 year old interns at 3am, and based entirely on marketing "highlight reels" and still pictures. Come on.

I'm in the WAC region and have seen McGee plenty of times. His game is NOTHING like Blatche's. He's an interior player, period, and a legit 7 footer with a big frame (unlike Pech) and a ridiculous wingspan. He also moves like a gazelle, very fluid and quick, and has a mean streak a mile wide. He comes from a pro ball home (both his parents were players) and works his tail off. He's already gained 10 pounds of muscle since the end of the college season. He was bored playing for a run-and-gun team in college, just waiting for the draft. You're going to like this kid.

Posted by: DCManOutWest | June 27, 2008 11:43 AM

And finally, if management uses those "cash considerations" received from Boston for Bill Walker to offset the tax on going over the cap to sign a free agent to the mid-level exemption, the grade may get somewhat higher, somewhat sooner.

Posted by: khrabb | June 27, 2008 9:01 AM

Cash from selling the rights to a draft pick does not come "off the cap" or "off the luxury tax"...

It just goes into the Team's general fund. (owner's pocket)

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 10:15 AM

Some reading comprehension might help.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 11:50 AM

He was bored playing for a run-and-gun team in college...

Posted by: DCManOutWest | June 27, 2008 11:43 AM

Then he'll hate playing with Gilturd.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 11:52 AM

Can someone wake EG up from his coma nap? There's a lot of trade activity going on.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3463045

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 11:52 AM

If the McGee pick causes Grunfeld to move Pech or Blatche for someone at another position, then I will be more apt to like this pick. As it is, though, Ernie has picked a guy that they already have two of in Pech and Blatche.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 11:55 AM

"All I have to say is, if this guy McGee turns out to be a player, a lot of the posters here are going to look awfully silly. Everyone needs to just take a deep breath and relax. You can't really evaluate a draft in any sport until at least a year or two down the road. This negative reaction reminds me of how the Eagles fans booed the selection of Donovan McNabb over Ricky Williams, and criticized the Eagles' brass. How did that one work out? I'm not saying that McGee will be an all-pro like McNabb, I'm just saying give the guy a chance before you re-name him "JaBust."

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 27, 2008 9:20 AM "

Yeah, we'll all be wrong too when Kwame becomes the NBA MVP...

or when LaBradford Smith comes out of retirement and wins 7 rings, 1 more than MJ.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 9:48 AM

So basically, you're saying that McGee has no chance of becoming a player worthy of being selected where the Wizards took him. And you know this how? How much video of the guy and the others available to the Wizards at 18 have you watched? Probably a small fraction of the amount that EG and his scouts saw. The truth, though, is that neither they nor anyone else really knows how good a player McGee will end up being. Drafting is as much an art as it is a science, especially after the first few picks, and getting all worked up the day after because you're just so sure that your team blew it is a waste of time and energy.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 27, 2008 11:57 AM

When EJ goes small with Songalia at center, Blatche, Pech, McGee, Haywood and Etan are going to look nice and crowded sitting next to each other on the bench.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 11:57 AM

Javale McGee highlights show good offense. Some blocks featured

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJilDqw8JOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSh4w-UPUk4&feature=related


Posted by: rgz | June 27, 2008 8:24 AM

Again for all of the haters on EG's pick you need to look at the links rgz supplied this morning. This youngsta is unreal.

DCManOutWest you are right, the folks slamming the pick are only mad because they never heard of him and all of the so called "draft reports" did not talk about him like they did the other bigs. So there is a sense amoung the haters of not drafting a "big name" means this was a failed draft pick. I think EG will later prove people wrong on this one......

Looking at his YouTube footage has got me all jacked up now. I see why EG was so excited. Also, folks please lay off of it about the cash for the 2nd pick, teams do that "ALL OF THE TIME". Why is it such a big issue????? There was not anymore room for another "3" or "4" on this roster anyway so why all of the negative comments? They need another "1" on the roster and thats it.......

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | June 27, 2008 11:58 AM

Well DCManOutWest thanks for the encouraging words on McGee, I hope you are right and the rest of us (myself included) are wrong.

Posted by: George Templeton | June 27, 2008 11:59 AM

Trading Walker to the Celtics was a dumb move. Remember these words: Bill Walker is going to be much, much better than D. McGuire in 3 years! D. McGuire is a goof ball, who is only good for doing goof ball antics with Nick Young. Both of those boys, need to be traded and get some MEN on this team, who have heart and know how to play defense.

Posted by: Alobar | June 27, 2008 12:04 PM

"If the McGee pick causes Grunfeld to move Pech or Blatche for someone at another position, then I will be more apt to like this pick. As it is, though, Ernie has picked a guy that they already have two of in Pech and Blatche."

I won't even pretend to know that much about McGhee, but if he has even a fraction of the athleticism he's touted to have, he's head and shoulders above Pecherov from the go.

I'm convinced Kevin Love has the best chance of all the top picks to fall short of expectations. He'll be a solid pro, but not a huge game changer. He looks like the second coming of Corliss Williamson.

Posted by: kalorama | June 27, 2008 12:10 PM

When EJ goes small with Songalia at center, Blatche, Pech, McGee, Haywood and Etan are going to look nice and crowded sitting next to each other on the bench.

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 11:57 AM

Annon. Now that's funny. I hope we have seen the last of that lineup.........

Also, I agree with DCMann on OPEC. I see "NO GAME" at all from this guy. I have been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but I am still not seeing anything.

How about trading him for "cash considerations" to open up a roster spot for somebody who can really play......

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | June 27, 2008 12:10 PM

The McGee pick just doesn't make sense. Even if he hasn't hit a homerun with every pick, Grunfeld's picks have tended to make sense.

So ... I think a deal is on the horizon, and either McGee is part of it, or McGee was picked to replace someone who will be part of it.

We'll see.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:10 PM

Thing about JaVale McGee, he's really a once-in-a-lifetime type physical specimen. Kid was practically bred to be a basketball player.

Think about it this way, Brendan Haywood is an effective player in part because his standing reach is the tallest among active players in the NBA other than Yao Ming, possibly Marcus Camby. He was knocked as a player because he was a bit awkward, possibly soft, but succeeded in part just because he was relatively athletic for someone so long. Well JaVale McGee has an inch on Brendan Haywood's reach. JmcG's got the second longest standing reach in the DX database, over the past _10 years_ worth of picks. That's about 5 full inches taller than the stretch of your average center in the league. Only a guy with a pituitary tumor has more length, though he was a big stiff.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/measurements.php?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=5&sort=6
And JaVale McGee is damn sure no stiff:

Again, in the raw talent category, with the data we have available no player his height or taller has ever run as fast in the 3/4 court sprint (3.25 secs). People were doubting Roy Hibbert's fit with the team because he was slow. Well McGee runs faster than your average SF (3.26 secs) on par with a 2 guard (3.23 secs). Not only will the kid fill the lane on the break, he will lead it and finish the outlet pass (provided we make a stop, get the rebound and someone gets him the ball...). All combined with a 32.5" max jump. That's a full +2" inches greater than your average center can hop.

Let me put that in context: only the young Shaquille O'Neal and Dwight Howard had a higher jump + reach over the past 10 years. (We have data back to 1989, but no measurement of jump/reach past 10 years). Now the knock on Dwight Holy Howard coming into the league was the same as McGee: raw athlete lacking polish still making fundamental mistakes on defense. Seems to me Howard has done fine for himself even if he still makes mistakes. His athleticism and size help him recover. Even if he can't hit a jumpshot.

Someone say 'Hit a jumpshot'? Think about this, after apprenticing behind face-up Big All-American Nick Fazekas, JaVale McGee hit 33% of his NCAA threes this year. He learned how to play the pick and pop. Teams will have to respect him at long midrange and send a big out to meet him. That's what we do in this offense. If he rebounds only okay for his height (actually a pretty good offensive rebounder) that's fine, a Big will have to mark him outside and leave room underneath for Caron or Jamsion to collect boards or finish. And this kid hasn't even met Dave Hopla yet. (See his FT%, which ain't great).

Players succeed in the league with one NBA quality skill alone. With raw materials this kid has a few. There's one thing he does better than anybody in the draft though: put that length and athletix to good use. The kid can send shots back like Andre Agassi. Have I seen him play? Nope, but on the highlights you see him block a rainbow jumper at the top of it's arc. Freakin' crazy circus acrobatics. He had the draft's best ratio of blocks + steals per personal foul. So if his man-to-man fundamentals aren't quite there yet, still you've got a lot to work with.

And that's the thing. More than anything the kid just needs a bit of developing, but he's headed in the right direction. He's put on 10 pounds of muscle (241 pounds in the DX database) after just a couple months workout, and has only just started to flesh out that frame. He's got the kind of body that will build strength without building bulk, he'll maintain that crazy athletix while getting stronger. He just needs a Big Man coach or two to get him some fundamentals on defense, footwork. And a sandwich or something.

So, does he fix the Wizard's problems all at once? Nope, but his probalems are mostly fixable, and he adds another dimension to what the Wiz do well: score fast, run uptempo out-athlete the opponent. And he damn sure ain't a small ball version.

And that's the thing. People keep looking at him like: 'Wottthehell? He doesn't replace Brendan..." Nope, maybe not. But think about it this way, he's got a bit of a face up game and can catch and finish above the rim and in motion, can put the ball on the floor a little bit. Imagine if you can play him NEXT TO Haywood, as a back-up to Jamison. Seriously, unfair size and shot-altering frontcourt there. You can play a lot tighter on the perimeter if nobody wants to attack the lanes.

So whatever dissappointment you got, really you ain't seen nothing like this kid when he's doing what he does well. It's same thing with any young player, bigs especially, you got to get them to do that thing they do best consistently, if not all the time, and build on the framework. But for real wiz fans, this kid's got a framework like you ain't yet seen.

-doc.

Posted by: doclinkin | June 27, 2008 12:11 PM

"His draft record has proven to be pathetic."

If EG's draft record is pathetic, what do you call the records of Unseld, MJ and previous GMs? Their records are pathetic in terms of their picks which were duds and picks they missed that turned into stars. I like EG's picks a whole better overall.

How can you critique the picks and the trade when they haven't even stepped onto the court yet?

Posted by: jjames | June 27, 2008 12:11 PM

"Drafting is as much an art as it is a science, especially after the first few picks, and getting all worked up the day after because you're just so sure that your team blew it is a waste of time and energy."

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 27, 2008 11:57 AM

"I feel that assigning a grade right after the draft is a sham. How do you know how they will turn out until they play?"

Posted by: jjames | June 27, 2008 9:48 AM

Agreed

Posted by: anon | June 27, 2008 12:15 PM

My opinion is that Caron Butler needs to take more of an interest in the young guys and do some on court coaching and off court guidance. The example shown by Gilbert Arenas' shooting contests does not build any character other than encourage a "watch me I'm a star" egocentric attitudes.

There's got to be a training program year round for the younger players, that is a "training future stars" type of thing, and kicked off prior to the summer league.

Posted by: rgz | June 27, 2008 11:07 AM


Remember the early morning lifting sessions MJ used to hold, which team members would show up? That's leading by example.

Posted by: anon | June 27, 2008 12:17 PM

To piggy back on Kal's comments. I think EG made the pick for McGee because yes he does have the same skills as AB and OPEC, but the difference here is simple.

AB is so inmature and is still "cutting up" of of the court. It might be a matter of time before he does something really stupid and the Wizards might be forced to cut ties with him. Thus that would be leaving a hugh void at their 4 or 5 spot of a versatile big man who has an all around game.

As for OPEC, he is a pure bust and EG knows it now. EG missed on this one, but he does not miss very often. So there is a very high chance OPEC (Can't play) and/or AB (Off the court baggage) might not be here next year, so he jumped at the chance of getting their replacement (McGee)...

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | June 27, 2008 12:18 PM

that or take another euro project and let him stay over there for the next few years and try to develop against Euro's finest.

Posted by: G$ | June 27, 2008 12:21 PM

"AB is so inmature and is still "cutting up" of of the court. It might be a matter of time before he does something really stupid and the Wizards might be forced to cut ties with him. Thus that would be leaving a hugh void at their 4 or 5 spot of a versatile big man who has an all around game.

As for OPEC, he is a pure bust and EG knows it now. EG missed on this one, but he does not miss very often. So there is a very high chance OPEC (Can't play) and/or AB (Off the court baggage) might not be here next year, so he jumped at the chance of getting their replacement (McGee)...

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | June 27, 2008 12:18 PM "

EG doesn't miss often?

Wasn't it EG who signed AB to a 14 mil contract after his john arrest last year?

Didn't AB just get arrested for speeding and driving with a suspended license?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 12:30 PM

"My opinion is that Caron Butler needs to take more of an interest in the young guys and do some on court coaching and off court guidance. The example shown by Gilbert Arenas' shooting contests does not build any character other than encourage a "watch me I'm a star" egocentric attitudes.

There's got to be a training program year round for the younger players, that is a "training future stars" type of thing, and kicked off prior to the summer league.

Posted by: rgz | June 27, 2008 11:07 AM "

None of that matters as long as your coach abides by the "star system."

The "star" can do whatever he d@mn well pleases and these young guys live with the star, so they follow in line.

The bottom line is that your highest paid player needs to be the leader and set the tone on both sides of the court and to respect coaches and management. Otherwise, this team will unravel.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 12:33 PM

that or take another euro project and let him stay over there for the next few years and try to develop against Euro's finest.

Posted by: G$ | June 27, 2008 12:21 PM

That's okay for a second round pick but when you need help now, maybe it's not so good for a first rounder. The problem is that you don't want to waste a first round pick in case the player stays overseas and won't or doesn't want to sign.

Posted by: jjames | June 27, 2008 12:38 PM

"If EG's draft record is pathetic, what do you call the records of Unseld, MJ and previous GMs? Their records are pathetic in terms of their picks which were duds and picks they missed that turned into stars. I like EG's picks a whole better overall.

How can you critique the picks and the trade when they haven't even stepped onto the court yet?

Posted by: jjames | June 27, 2008 12:11 PM "

It's a two part process.

You pick the players on draft night/acquire the players from another team.

Then, you develop the player and incorporate him into the system.

When you have a tightwad owner like Abe who's only willing to hire coaches like Leonard Hamilton and Gar Heard, then for sure, you're just drafting/acquiring players so they can bolt down the line when other teams come calling.

EJ seems to be a good coach on the surface, but they had to bring in a defensive specialist to teach the team defense.

The net result the past 3 years for EJ has been one and done though in the playoffs. Tough to sugarcoat that.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 12:40 PM

"EG doesn't miss often?

Wasn't it EG who signed AB to a 14 mil contract after his john arrest last year?

Didn't AB just get arrested for speeding and driving with a suspended license?"

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 12:30 PM

I agree with original poster's comment and disagree with you on this point DCMan88. AB may turn it around or then again self- destruct or not work hard to reach his potential. The jury is still out.

"None of that matters as long as your coach abides by the "star system."

The "star" can do whatever he d@mn well pleases and these young guys live with the star, so they follow in line.

The bottom line is that your highest paid player needs to be the leader and set the tone on both sides of the court and to respect coaches and management. Otherwise, this team will unravel."

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 12:33 PM

Wholeheartedly agree

Posted by: jjames | June 27, 2008 12:43 PM

What's with all the McGee comparisons with Pecherov and Blatche? The latter two have always been considered to be PFs who can fill in at center if necessary. Whereas McGee is projected to be a center. McGee also seems to be more of a back to the basket player than the other two as well.

There's much less redundancy here than people are suggesting.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 27, 2008 12:45 PM

Wasn't it EG who signed AB to a 14 mil contract after his john arrest last year?

Didn't AB just get arrested for speeding and driving with a suspended license?

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 12:30 PM

88 when I was saying "miss often" I meant talent on the basketball court only, not the off the court stuff. There is a reason why AB lasted to the 2nd round that year. All of the teams saw the talent, but they all had questions about his work ethic and his maturity. Case in point, your examples in your post about all of the arrests.

EG took a chance on AB because it was a 2nd round pick and not a 1st. You do not take chances like that on 1st rounders. As for the contract. That is 14 million over 5 years. What is that, like $2.8 mill a year? That is a chump change contract, so if anything the Wiz and EG are getting the best out of that deal for somebody with AB's ablilites.

AB has crazy talent, but the youngsta just does not get it yet. If the light switch every comes on, look out. Then it will look like a steal on EG's part.

As for Pech, there is no hope at all for his game, so yes EG missed bad on this one. But I still would have him as my GM then most of these GM's now in the league.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | June 27, 2008 12:45 PM

Blatche is 21. The jury on him is still out - way out.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | June 27, 2008 12:47 PM

Ivan,
please help us understand what it means to sell a pick for cash considerations and whether it benefits a team or merely puts money in the pockets of the owner.

Posted by: Emmet | June 27, 2008 12:48 PM

From highlights only but I like McGee's ability to catch and finish above the rim. That alone is worth 4-6 points a game if he can begin to execute. If someone will actually throw an alley oop pass.

I betcha Gil will come to liek seeing those extra couple assists next to his statline. Especially since he's been passed in the flavor of the moth sweepstakes by Chris Paul. Alley oops get looped on Sportscenter more often than game winning shots do.

And, I said it in the Bog coments but I fully expect Randy Ayers will ride this kid on his defensive fundamentals until he either gets it or goes insane. His raw tools are just too impressive not to sharpen and use. Ayers will wear his trousers out.

Will he play under Eddie? If he can score, he will play. That's just the way it works around here. What's funny is how Ernie is doing his darnedest to kill small ball by drafting a roster entirely built of of 7 footers.

Your Wiz of the future:

PG: Dray
SG: Pecherov
SF: ...
PF: J McG.
C: Haywood

Hmmn, looks like we still need an SF like we were supposed to get in the draft. Maybe we're just saving all that Bill Walker cash to bid on Dirk Nowitzki when his option comes due.

Posted by: doclinkin | June 27, 2008 12:49 PM

nads

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:54 PM

doclinkin,

thanks for the breakdown. was out last night and had to catch the draft on fox sports radio and the announcers made fun of our pick and the franchise. i'll check the youtube footage and make some comments on him after i see him in summer league.

Posted by: G$ | June 27, 2008 12:55 PM

doclinkin - "3's" are a dime a dozen like "1's". They can find a backup "3" in free agency from the undrafted group. They can even play Nick Young there sometimes with certain lineups. There main concern is finding another "1" to backup Gilbert and AD just in case they both get hurt again.......

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | June 27, 2008 12:56 PM

I want AB to succeed, but the only way he will succeed is to give him the responsibility, sink or swim.

Right now, AB's job is to keep the bench warm and help EJ's son out with folding towels and filling Gatorade cups.

If the Wiz want to move forward, they need to dump AB into the starting lineup at the 4 and let AJ come off the bench.

Unfortunately, EJ would never do that.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 12:56 PM

I'm sure AB and McGee will have a great time at the Vegas summer league with McGee showing him around, since he went to Nevada. Don't forget the black hole and the white hole, and DMac.

EG, stock up on Pepto or hire a babysitter.

Here's chad ford's assessment of the McGee pick:

"I'm not a huge fan of this pick, especially with a proven guy like Darrell Arthur on the board. McGee is a physical specimen, very long and athletic, and he has some skills. But he's very soft and looks like he's years away. He reminds me of Andray Blatche."

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 1:00 PM

I betcha Gil will come to liek seeing those extra couple assists next to his statline. Especially since he's been passed in the flavor of the moth sweepstakes by Chris Paul. Alley oops get looped on Sportscenter more often than game winning shots do.

Posted by: doclinkin | June 27, 2008 12:49 PM

This was my thought exactly. Gil loves the limelight, and he's certainly not stupid. He knows what sells, and what sells right now is the selfless teammate.

Maybe we can get a solid rotation with the "steady" team we saw this last year (Daniels, Deshawn, Butler, Jamison, Haywood) and the new high-fliers (Arenas, Young, Butler, Blatche, and McGee). That second team wouldn't be a bad run, gun, and finish squad. At the least, they'd be fun to watch.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:02 PM

The cash we got from the draft rights of Bill Walker better be spend on one of these free-agents.
PG.Carlos Arroyo
SG/PG.Flip Murray
SG.Tony Allen
PG/SG.Royal Ivey
PG.Sebastian Telfair
SG/PG.Juan Dixon
SG/PG.Eddie House
SG/PG.Keyon Dooling
PG/SG.Jannero Pargo

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:05 PM

I want AB to succeed, but the only way he will succeed is to give him the responsibility, sink or swim.

Right now, AB's job is to keep the bench warm and help EJ's son out with folding towels and filling Gatorade cups.

If the Wiz want to move forward, they need to dump AB into the starting lineup at the 4 and let AJ come off the bench.

Unfortunately, EJ would never do that.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 12:56 PM

Sorry 88 I have to disagree with you on that. AB has to show he has "earned" that starting spot and he has not so far with his antics off of the court and his poor conditioning. It has been 4 years and his body still looks the same. Is he putting in the work as he should? Maybe not.

Now there are exceptions, like Chris Bosh and T. Prince who are very skinny, but they ball the whole game.

AB needs to watch Haywood and see how he works and never gets in trouble off of the court and then let his play speak for how many minutes he should be getting. I am one of AB's biggest fans, but why do I see patterns developing like John "hotplate" Williams and Kwame Brown? I have a feeling this McGee kid might come in outworking AB. We will see.....

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | June 27, 2008 1:09 PM

"Sorry 88 I have to disagree with you on that. AB has to show he has "earned" that starting spot and he has not so far with his antics off of the court and his poor conditioning. It has been 4 years and his body still looks the same. Is he putting in the work as he should? Maybe not.

Now there are exceptions, like Chris Bosh and T. Prince who are very skinny, but they ball the whole game.

AB needs to watch Haywood and see how he works and never gets in trouble off of the court and then let his play speak for how many minutes he should be getting. I am one of AB's biggest fans, but why do I see patterns developing like John "hotplate" Williams and Kwame Brown? I have a feeling this McGee kid might come in outworking AB. We will see.....

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | June 27, 2008 1:09 PM "

The current tactic of making AB earn his minutes is not working. AB came from high school...skipped college. He probably never had good practice habits ingrained into his brain (Bosh, Prince, and BTH came from major programs).

The Wiz may have to try a drastic approach by inserting him into the starting lineup to see how that works. If that flops, then we all know the answer.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 1:18 PM

"The cash we got from the draft rights of Bill Walker better be spend on one of these free-agents.
PG.Carlos Arroyo
SG/PG.Flip Murray
SG.Tony Allen
PG/SG.Royal Ivey
PG.Sebastian Telfair
SG/PG.Juan Dixon
SG/PG.Eddie House
SG/PG.Keyon Dooling
PG/SG.Jannero Pargo

Posted by: | June 27, 2008 1:05 PM "

EG better at least work out Shaun Livingston too.

Posted by: DC Man88 | June 27, 2008 1:19 PM


There are too many immature goofballs on the teams and not enough hard-nose ballers like Tough Juice/Caron Butler.

Gilby is the ring leader of the immature goofballs and he's going to be the highest paid player. Doesn't make any sense. He's been setting a terrible example for the younger players and is always joking around and not taking things seriously and disrespects EJ.

CB3 and AJ needs to take over the team and exile Gilby from any leadership role.

Nick "Hollywood" Young - immature goofball
AB - immature goofball, I'm still laughing about his john arrest.
DMac - immature goofball

Too many goofballs and not enough professionals on the team.

Posted by: Baller4Life | June 27, 2008 1:36 PM

"The bottom line is that your highest paid player needs to be the leader and set the tone on both sides of the court and to respect coaches and management. Otherwise, this team will unravel."

Don't know about that. AI got to the Finals and could have made it more than once if he'd had some help...any help. AI's problems with coaching and management have been well documented. Ths star system works as long as the star produces on the court.

Posted by: mark | June 27, 2008 2:00 PM

Don't know about that. AI got to the Finals and could have made it more than once if he'd had some help...any help. AI's problems with coaching and management have been well documented. Ths star system works as long as the star produces on the court.

Posted by: mark | June 27, 2008 2:00 PM

Disagree. The star may produce well on the court because of his superior talent but the example he sets in not working hard will filter down to the rest of the players and not only affects work ethics but also the attitude the team takes.

The best players lead by example and demand excellence and accountability. MJ led by example in his work out regimens (his early lifting sessions were well attended by team members) and demands for raising the bar in playing quality. For all the failings of his stay in DC, MJ did try to change the losing attitude and culture in the Wiz and instill a winning outlook.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2008 2:31 PM

Yet another guy to watch from the bench for 4 years before contributing anything at all...Even more frustrating though, if we really couldn't fit the second rounder on the roster then why not take a guy overseas?? At least it's one more asset, if it doesn't work out no big deal. Plus, are we really sure that Walker wouldn't have beat out McGuire for a spot?? Nothing wrong with competition...This was nothing more than a few extra bucks in Abe's pocket, I am so disgusted, this is yet more proof that he is happy to field a mediocre team. We don't have a championship-caliber roster and if we bring back the same team as the past 3 years we will end up losing in the first-round once again.

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